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Sporting News ranks 1971-72 and 1986-87 Lakers as second- and third-greatest NBA teams

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The headline pretty much writes itself.

Based on interviews with current and former coaches, players, executives and journalists, the Sporting News determined in its latest issue that the 1971-72 Lakers and the 1985-86 Lakers are the second- and third-greatest NBA teams of all time. The 1995-96 Chicago Bulls were named as the best team for setting a league-record 72-10 regular-season mark en route to their first title of a second three-peat that decade. 

The 1971-72 Lakers featured the team's first NBA championship since moving to Los Angeles, capped off with an NBA-record 33 consecutive victories. "Each game became a new challenge," said former Lakers assistant coach Jim Cleamons, who was a reserve on that Lakers team. "But the challenge wasn't not to lose. It was to find a way to win the game." Among the highlights:

--This season marked the 11th consecutive time Jerry West would average 25 points or more in a season. 

--Wilt Chamberlain, at age 35, appeared in his second-to-last NBA season, averaging 14.8 points at a 64.9% clip and a league-leading 19.2 rebounds and picking up Finals MVP honors.

--Elgin Baylor retired nine games into the season after suffering numerous knee injuries
Overcame the loss of 37-year-old big man Elgin Baylor, who retired nine games into the season after suffering through a spate of knee injuries.

--The Lakers' championship run marked the first season for Bill Sharman at the coaching helm. 

The 1986-87 Lakers finished with a 65-17 record (the second-best mark in franchise history) and beat the Boston Celtics in the NBA Finals for the second time that decade. That season featured many memorable moments:

--Magic Johnson, whose "baby skyhook" in Game 4 against Boston became a highlight of that year's Finals, won both regular-season and Finals MVP honors. Michael Cooper was named NBA Defensive Player of the Year.

--The Lakers made a significant trade on Feb. 13, 1987, shipping Frank Brickowski, Petur Gudmundsson, an '87 first-round draft pick (Greg Anderson) and a 1990 second-round draft pick (Sean Higgins) to the San Antonio Spurs for Mychal Thompson.

--At the Lakers' championship parade, Coach Pat Riley guaranteed another title, a vow that he kept. 

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Photo: The 1971-72 Lakers in their team photo. Credit: Los Angeles Lakers

 
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Good Mornin Laker fans,

Laker Tom - I saw your post to my reply on the other thread and I gotta say thats exactly what I was saying, in real world as it is today, none of these trades are a possibility until we see what happens with the new CBA..

JAMF

Justa what is the difference between trollman or PSP posting stuff about 888 comments here and 888 talkin smack about us over there? Btw, very honorable of you to back your boy but you're only adding more fuel to the fire by calling out bloggers here. Don't you get there is nothing defensible about 888 cowardlys actions?? When the DOODOO hit the fan he ran away and fled.. In the most critical moment of his existence here he couldve stood up for his principles but instead ran like a man without a backbone... Couldn't even look us in the eye! If you really wanna back THAT then shame on you too!!

And its not like you were exactly a model citizen blogger over in your RC while MM has his little chat sessions here all by himself or maybe in the company of 5 other random bloggers

So please no contradicting ourselves here.. That's like lechoker in his finals press conference saying he don't care what people say then saying all poor people in america will still have to go back to their pitiful little lives while he goes back to his rolls royce and 30MIL mansion. HA!

>>>The Lakers made a significant trade on Feb. 13, 1987, shipping Frank
>>>Brickowski, Petur Gudmundsson, an '87 first-round draft pick (Greg
>>>Anderson) and a 1990 second-round draft pick (Sean Higgins) to the San
>>>Antonio Spurs for Mychal Thompson.

Brickowski was just okay. Nobody else in that trade of consequence.

Okay, I'm changing my Felton trade:

Now it's Blake, Ebanks, a first round pick and a second round pick for Felton.

Hey, if it worked in 1987...

Yello

The "fight" is on the previous thread! lol, you can't be posting that on here. Next thing you know MM will show up and ban us all except Justa of course. In case anyone else hasn't noticed, the instant she makes a post MM responds with immediate effect lol. Poor Marky Mark Medina.

Thanks
PSP Intern

Now it's Blake, Ebanks, a first round pick and a second round pick for Felton.

Hey, if it worked in 1987...

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | June 16, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Im with you on that trade bro, sign me up... how bout Caracter instead of Ebanks I think that Ariza #2 in developement, but Caracter we can get rid off lol

See, this is what happens when people go to other blogs...

JR

Hey Yo Laker Tom where you at man???

there is no good discussions without you man,
all I'm reading today is argument over what 888 said and didn't say, how about time for us to start talkin about one topic everyone agrees on " L A K E R Z " yes them, that team...

give it a rest guys, you guys are like bunch of children bickerin and arguing over useless stuff...

Can we all be adults here?

And nice to know this stupid typepad thing is working again... After ledouchebag choked and dallas won yellofever couldn't even post and revel in the moment!

Let the record show yellofever has been calling ledouche a choker for years now.. Even last year in boston it was a CHOKE job and anyone thinking he just quit is a copout!! Now the media has finally figured it out and its a complete bloodbath out there.. Every journalist reporter sportsanchor writer even a city mayor are now taking shots at him... He deserves everything that's coming but Good Grief! Even yellofever is starting to feel a tinge of pity!

NOOOOOO!! Stay strong! Don't pity this fool!And nice to know this stupid typepad thing is working again... After ledouchebag choked and dallas won yellofever couldn't even post and revel in the moment!

Let the record show yellofever has been calling ledouche a choker for years now.. Even last year in boston it was a CHOKE job and anyone thinking he just quit is a copout!! Now the media has finally figured it out and its a complete bloodbath out there.. Every journalist reporter sportsanchor writer even a city mayor are now taking shots at him... He deserves everything that's coming but Good Grief! Even yellofever is starting to feel a tinge of pity!

NOOOOOO!! Stay strong! Don't pity this fool!

I don't care what 888 is saying on another blog. That's not my problem. It is a problem though that people are fighting over nothing here. Stop the name calling everyone

@ Mark

Yeah good luck I've been trying to tell them that on 2 different threads lol they just dont listen...

but maybe you will have more luck...

Sorry bout the double post above.. This crackberrys playin tricks on me!

And looks like shaq is a criminal!? Lot of interesting evidence though... but why go through so much trouble to hide ur sex tape unless ur ashamed of something?? Hmmmm


My ranking since 1970

1. 72 Lakers (Not only won 33 in a row, but also defeated a great team-the defending champs Milwaukee Bucks in the playoffs)

2. 83 Sixers (can you say Fo-Fi-Fo)

3. 87 Lakers (okay maybe a slight bit of homerism...but Magic took control of that year and Showtime was a thing of beauty)

4. 86 Celtics (eat your heart out Bill Simmons)

5. 96 Bulls (great team - but competition not as stiff as the 80's)

LRob



What sort of strange day is it when *I* am asking for a cessation of
hostilities???

On second thought, hold on while I go get some popcorn.

"FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!"

Ok. Seriously. I'd like to thank y'all for all of the basketball knowledge y'all
post. I continue to learn and I read & interact w/ y'all.

I just had a strange conversation w/ a man who didn't understand all of the
vitriol heading LBJ's way. Because of all of the knowledge on this blog, I was
able to speak coherently about free agency, sign & trade, salary cap issues.

Woot!

Sadly, the conversation did not end well because the human was only
interested in bashing people who were bashing LBJ.

It makes me a little sad. There are so many people out there who don't
realize that there's a special room in Hell for those who worship LBJ.

:(

"Don't this the wrong, way but are you functioning? He has said it before that he first wants to win, second, he doesn't want to follow on anybody's footsteps. That doesn't mean he doesn't want to BE Shaq it just means that he wants to be himself. And his recent mea culpas and retractions always point out to a contradicted guy who has well, contradicting agends. If he came to the Lakers he would be making himself a ton of money as another poster mentioned through Ads, commercials, etc. It's like Shaq followed Kareem, Kareem followed Wilt. Dwight knows he will always be compared to centers in history, he just wants to make his own mark and not be compared to any, it doesn't mean he doesn't want to be a Laker, two different things.

If he felt he could win, and he could recruit players to Orlando to sign the extension he would have done it already. Which he hasn't. Let me quote directly from the Orlando Sentinel:

Even the Orlando Sentinel was acknowledging it.

The newspaper wrote on Monday: "The Magic have no intention of trading Howard unless he asks out and asks to go to a specific team, a la Carmelo Anthony.

"If Howard tells them he wants to move on to L.A., then the Magic have to consider a deal to receive compensation, and you could do worse than, say, Bynum.". Once he put it out there that he wants to test the FA (which is an easy way of not alienating fans and being more soft-gloves with the media than say... Lebron last summer?). I don't take him at his word when he's a walking contradiction. As I said before, the Lakers are over the salary cap, nd to make any trade for Dwight work, because the Magic won't be able to retain him and they don't want to lose him for nothing, they would have to take on some of our big contracts and we would have to take on some of theirs, so cross-cancelling and the Lakers would still have a high payroll. All it is, is musical chairs but at least you take advantage of a bad situation.

Posted by: PointFoward | June 15, 2011 at 07:10 PM "

:( I think I'm functioning just fine. I agree with you that Dwight's comments are a walking contradiction so I don't know why we're valuing some over others.

Some people are cherrypicking the comments that work, such as:
Kobe being the one player he wants to play with

Inquiring about real estate in LA

Wanting to win

The heresay comment from unknown sources that he wanted to play for the Lakers.

There are also these comments:
Negative comments about the Heat "superteam" (If he frowns on superstars joining up, what would coming to the Lakers be?)

Comments about not wanting to be compared to Shaq (Starting his career in Orlando and then joining the Lakers in his prime? Hmmm...)

Comments about wanting to be the man (I don't think he'll be the face of the franchise, at least as long as Kobe is around)

Comments about wanting to stay in Orlando (Yeah I don't really believe that one but it is what he said, why believe one quote and not another?)

It's not going to be an easy trade, even if he pulls a Carmelo and forces his hand to come to the Lakers. Like you said, it will involve throwing some bad contracts back and forth. Until Dwight does pull a Carmelo and tries to force his way here, I think it's too early to act like it's just a matter of time before he arrives.

justanothermambafan,

I know how to settle your hash!

this is for you:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43410842/ns/today-books/t/can-moms-be-hot/

you may thank me. :)

with all the nastiness showing up on the blog every other post, it becomes clear at least to me that people really have little to say re: the lakers past season. we all, or rather, most of us were very diappointed in the lakers performance this past season.i think that upon reflection, many of us drank the kool-aid and convinced ourselves that the regular season was just practice and didn't matter. i don't believe that coach wooden would have agreed, but hey, what did he know?

"Bay to LA,

Actually Dwight posted better numbers from mid-range than Drew this year. Plus, a higher % of Dwight’s shots also came from 10 feet and out. I remember having this discussion with LT earlier this season. Dwight made 40% of his 10-15ft shots compared to 28% for Drew. Here’s the complete

Dwight/Drew breakdown:
At Rim: 75%/74%
3-9Ft: 44%/42%
10-15ft: 40%/28%
16-23ft: 32%/29%

http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Dwight Howard
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Andrew%20Bynum

Also here’s a breakdown of the percentage of their shots they take from each area. Dwight took 9% of his shots from 10-15ft compared to Drew taking 7% of his shots from there:

Dwight/Drew:
At Rim: 52%/53%
3-9ft: 34%/39%
10-15ft: 9%/7%
16-23ft: 5%/1%

Dwight almost took twice as many shots than Drew from 10-23ft (14% to 8%)

Other info: In 2009 Dwight shot 28% from 10-15 ft. In 2011 that improved to 40%. Drew shot 40% from 10-15 in 2009 and 2010, but dropped down to 28% this year.

Dwight has improved his mid-range shot substantially. However, Drew has shown he can hit that 10-15 shot in previous years thus I believe he just didn’t get many shots from that range this year to get into a consistent groove.


Posted by: L Rob | June 15, 2011 at 07:44 PM "

L Rob, thanks for the statistical breakdown, I stand corrected. I knew Dwight's mid range game was better than advertised but I didn't realize he had actually passed Bynum statistically.

I notice Dwight gets a lot of wide open shots from that distance while they dare him to shoot. They also give him more space because he has the agility to go around them, something defenders don't have to worry about with Bynum.

Bynum still probably has the better touch from that distance but because of the other aspects of Dwight's game, Dwight gets better shot opportunities from those distances. I think you're also right that Bynum didn't get as many opportunities from that range so his low percentage might not be completely reflective.

Good to know and thanks for posting.

justa like I said

I responded, that's all folks, feel free to get the last word in, Not a problem.

Bay to LA,

I don't have problems about your interpretations on what Dwight is or what he isn't about, I am not even psychoanalyzing him, I am just going but what he has said before things to the effect of, "I want the 14 players to want a championship as much as me" -- "ownership to feel the same way about a championship as me".

Hmm, let me think. The Lakers among (other franchises) might fit that bill. He alluded to not being the face of a franchise, instead he said something to the effect of having teammates with no "hidden agendas". Does that seem like a person that cares as much as being a "Batman" or "robin"? The "face of a franchise"? Or somebody who wants to win a championship and build a legacy and maybe get a statue built for him someday?

Hmm, let me think again about which of the franchises historically been able to make it happen for elite-level players. That's right the Lakers -which was his very very first choice, and in his heart of hearts the right destination.

So I don't go by heresay, I go by facts, you can read quotes dating from earlier this year about his situation with the Magic and free-agency, quotes from his own media market and so on. I don't think I am making any of this up.

I also have a problem with people saying that none of these trades will even happen until a new CBA is set. The Lakers aren't any different but they have a tendency to think out of the box (see: Lakers stealing Gasol in 08'). So no I'm not making anything up about Kobe wanting to be some focal point of offense. Much like Artest joining the group, priorities will change. I am saying that reading from his quotes, he wants to win, first and foremost, being some offensive monster won't affect or hurt his decision, nor it will affect Kobe's trust me on this, he wants to win just as much as he does.

Hey PSP or MM or anyone else...

who is this justa person?

and where is Laker Tom, now that guy can talk all day about Lakerz ahaha good guy, at least Bay to LA and Lrob2 are having a convo...

PointFoward,

I guess my point is more that he hasn't put all of his eggs in the Lakers basket yet. Are they a potential destination? Of course. But if it's all about winning, plenty of other teams that would contend for championships with his services.

Nothing he has said so far has made me believe the Lakers are any more likely to get him than any other team. It's going to get to a point where he is going to have to publicly say who he will sign with and who he won't and that will determine what teams are in the mix. Until that happens, the rumors that he's coming to LA are just fantasy.

Justa, why all the antagonizing today? Let's talk about the Lakers shall we?

I made a post to you in the Shaquille O'Neal post that should hopefully clear up any misconceptions or confusion to what I am about.

Tech N9ne - ummmmm I've been around for a few years, buddy. I know how new you are, and how you act like you're all that. So whatever - you can scroll past my posts too for all I care.

Posted by: Justanother Mambafan | June 16, 2011 at 01:07 PM

ahahahahahahahahahahahah to your comment above! I act like I'm all that? how would you know that? and how exactly do you know how I act on this blog, because I have never seen you on here for at least the past couple of months... And its actually the opposite, you'r the one acting like this blog belongs to you and everyone has to bow down to what you say...

Listen Justawhateva, I'm saying this again for those people who have a hard time comprehanding the English language, please do not direct your comments directly towards me if are going to say or argue something totatly non-Laker related, so you won't get any response from me... PERIOD! finished! finito! COMPRENDE?

This is the last post towards you and I will stop responding weather you reply or not, so please do yourself a favor and just drop it, you don't know me so don't assume everything...

CASE CLOSED!!!!!!!!!

Bay to LA,

I didn't say we were more likely to get him than any other team, even whether giving up Odom in exchange for another one of their huge contracts is even right thing to do, I'm just saying that people here seem to believe that it's sheer fantasy to think Dwight has even a remote chance of landing to L.A. when all indications are that that's at least a top 4, accordig to Ric Bucher as of couple of weeks ago. Further adding to the fuel is the notion that he won't resign or sign any extension, judging from revinisionist history, Carmelo Anthony, Devin Harris-Deron Williams (*a full 2 years before his contract expires*), Lebron James, and the likelyhood that Andrew Bynum, Perkins, Javel McGee, Tyson Chandler, DeAndre Jordan (expected to sign with the Clippers), and a few other centers are even close to replacing Dwight Howard are what add more truth to these rumors.

Sure other teams could be in the mix, and some teams have different needs than the Lakers, but judging from a lot of team's payrolls, current roster makeups, what the Magic can get in return. It's not like Carmelo all over again, because Carmelo forced their hand for stressed out year, the Nuggets were able to capitalize. Heck even with the CBA not being set in stone, this trade might not happen, the Lakers might have to give up more, or the Magic send less players our way because of how the payroll ends up to be. I will give the Lakers the benefit of the doubt here only because we are already over the salary tax, and I know Jerry, Mitch, and at least by their collective track record, Jim would be willing to roll the dice on this one.

I am just going by what could be attained making Dwight a driving force now, (selling jerseys, filling the arena on a constant basis, increasing media-ad revenue, increasing our chances to win and get a payday for drafting Bynum - go without saying) and into the future making him the face of the franchise when Kobe retires in about 4-5 years.

But that's just me, wrong for me to even consider or want Dwight, heck he's just the perennial DPOY, steel horse, workaholic, how he can even fit into the Lakers family is just pure fantasy I guess.

PointFoward,

I don't think it's fantasy to think that the Lakers have ability to be a player in the Dwight sweepstakes. I just think it's fantasy to think that the sweepstakes is over and that the Magic are going to have to take whatever the Lakers feel like offering just because it'll be better than nothing.

Despite the leverage the Lakers will seemingly have if Dwight says the Lakers are the only place he'll go, I still don't think the Lakers would be able to get a steal in the trade. Bynum for Howard straight up would be a steal. It's going to be difficult no matter how savvy the Lakers front office is.

@ PSP

Thank you very much for breaking it all down, I really appreciate it, because I was like WOA who is this person, she litteraly said couple of comments but it caused a chain reaction from everyone including yourself and myself, so I got to thinking that why the heck is this argument going on about this 888 guy and this and that... so I decided to leave it alone until she went off again... so anyway, now I get the full picture thank you for shedding a light in the dark corner

PSP you know what I find funny, has anyone seen her picture or whatever for them to adore her like that or its because she is the only female here? or maybe not? I'm not sure just asking, but yeah women will do that to people!

so is she on the Blog 27 too? lol

And just to confirm Laker Tom's suspicion:

http://www.82games.com/0809/FGSORT12.HTM

I've got the chart sorted by Inside Shots, but if you check the FG% for 2 point jump shots, you'll find that Bynum hits .397 on 2-point jump shots. Pretty bad. I wouldn't want him taking a lot of jump shots...

but Howard hits an abysmal .329 on jump shots. Utter pooch food.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | June 16, 2011 at 08:47 AM
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I was watching game 1 of the 2003 Nets-spurs final. Dwight doesn't have the same mid-range as David "the Admiral" Robinson, and he's a liability on freethrows, but he has as much heart, blocking, rebounding, hustling, athletic ability as he did. I traced Mike Brown's Spurs defensive philosophy and how they used the "twin-towers", how they ran their offense. Tony Parker either made plays to Tim Duncan who subsequently either shot the rock from about 17-20 feet out, or backed people down on the low-post and the Admiral would hang around the opposite side of the floor, to block, or make plays for others. So it was either that or Tony Parker (a quick guard) running around or heaving up three's. Which is not our strength, unless we got somebody such as a Dorell Wright, OJ Mayo, JJ Redick, Jason Kapono to help run a similar "twin-towers" type offense.

You can also trace this type of offensive scheme back to the Cavaliers and Mike's philosophy back to the Spurs who historically have had players who ranked high in 3 PT shooting % year in and year out. I can't see us making any Dwight type move unless their hand was forced enough and gave us Hedo/Arenas, JJ Redick, Dwight for Bynum, Blake, Odom, Ebanks/Luke or some combination like that as well. One of our priorities is getting shooters.

Hey PSP, yeah you're part right. There was a bunch of tension and we lost quite a few regulars (I'm only a semi-regular and I took cover for a couple months waiting for things to sort themselves out) but the other chat has been around for about 3 years (opened by MagicPhil) and is available 24 hours a day and therein lies the attraction. Also, we've only known Justa is a female for a little over a year. Just a little more background for you.

Aside from that, the rest of the stuff from this morning (aside from the trade scenarios and other BB related stuff) is just silly.

OK back to sleep.

JR

PointFoward,

I don't think it's fantasy to think that the Lakers have ability to be a player in the Dwight sweepstakes. I just think it's fantasy to think that the sweepstakes is over and that the Magic are going to have to take whatever the Lakers feel like offering just because it'll be better than nothing.

Despite the leverage the Lakers will seemingly have if Dwight says the Lakers are the only place he'll go, I still don't think the Lakers would be able to get a steal in the trade. Bynum for Howard straight up would be a steal. It's going to be difficult no matter how savvy the Lakers front office is.

Posted by: Bay to La | June 16, 2011 at 01:37 PM
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The Lakers are giving enough, and probably taking one of their horrible contracts. The end result is the same, the Lakers are over the salary tax, but the Magic got something in return which is a driving factor in the argument that the Lakers do or dont have to give up alot to get them. The question is what we give up and what they give up. Which doesn't mean that we have enough leverage it just means, compared to a lot of teams out there, and you can talk about the Mavs, Thunder, Celtics, Bulls, Grizzlies, and since the Lakers are a high destination-that alone helps in any discussion or inquiry about Dwight. Unless other teams get crafty and include 2nd or 3rd teams into the mix, which would you agree the Lakers might have to do, then I see the possibility as being even higher.

The real question, as you said, is whether the front office, specifically Jim Buss is willing to pull the trigger, and what is actually being said in terms of rumors because we all know, if Dwight signed the extension, all trade talks are over. At least for now we have a chance to talk about it because it's out there. Another question is, what hand will the Magic bite, and what feelers do they have. While we have a shot at this, it's not a given, and who knows they might already be exploring a Bynum package as I speak, whether it's a "steal" like the Shaq trade in 04 was, or even a Gasol trade scenario (unlikely) that's to be seen.

At the end of the day we probably don't even know if this is going to happen until after the lockout, or who knows maybe the Magic pull a Utah-Deron Williams and cut their losses before the lockout and all of this uncertainty.

@ PsP - you are pretty funny... oohs and aahs ahaha

Same old stuff in here...

Hope everyone is enjoying the summer...

Wow it is really frustrating to see so many people using my handle on a handle theif. I am the real Justa and please respect that. Nne of you would like me to jack your handles so please respect mine.
Justa
The original one and formerly aka JustaLakerFan

Im with you on that trade bro, sign me up... how bout Caracter instead of Ebanks I think that Ariza #2 in developement, but Caracter we can get rid off lol

Posted by: Tech N9ne | June 16, 2011 at 11:18 AM
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I like this trade better

Lewmariano - How have you been? Long time no talk

I have been great MM...How is your summer so far...

This new sign in is giving me issues...

LEWSTRS


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