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Robert Horry's 17-year-old daughter passes away

6a00d8341c506253ef01348655f9e2970c-320wiAfter living her life with a rare genetic condition, Ashlyn Horry, the daughter of former Lakers forward Robert Horry, died Tuesday at age 17.

Ashlyn was born on April 2, 1994 with severe respiratory issues and eventually was diagnosed with the 1p36 Deletion Syndrome, caused by the missing part of chromosome No. 1.

"I want to thank everyone for their thoughts and prayers," Horry told The Times' Broderick Turner. "It means so much to our family."

Horry, who won three of his seven NBA championships with the Lakers, cemented his legacy as "Big Shot Rob" thanks to his various clutch playoff performances. That included finishing second all-time for three-pointers made in the postseason (237), first in the NBA Finals (53) and consecutive three-pointers made in a playoff game (seven). But as stated in the Ashlyn Horry Foundation website, "In the game of life, Ashlyn Horry is the true champion of the Horry family."  The Times' Tim Brown penned a story during the 2002 NBA playoffs detailing how Robert and Keva Horry spent time with Ashlyn during physical therapy in hopes that she could eventually speak, walk and eat. 

"Everybody who knows her, they love Ashlyn like she's their child," Robert Horry told Brown at the time. "When people come over, they're like, 'Where's my baby? Where's Ashlyn?' They get on the floor with her and hug and kiss on her as much as she can stand."

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Photo: Robert Horry's three-point shot over the outstretched arm of Sacramento's Chris Webber in the final seconds of Game 4 evened the Western Conference finals in 2002. Credit: Associated Press

 
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My condolences to Robert Horry and family. Children dying before parents is one of the toughest things for any family to suffer. May Ashlyn rest in peace. The Horry family will be in our prayers.
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@MCLYNE ... Thanks for your comments. I love Kobe and think he will adjust his game but I also realize and respect how tough a task that is for a guy with Kobe’s drive and talent to do but it’s the smart thing to do to win more championships and Kobe is one smart guy who definitely is not done.
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I have to say I have been a little hesitant to support a Monta Ellis trade but after thinking about it, it could be a great solution to add youth, speed, and athleticism to our lineup. Instead of a shooting guard and point guard, the Lakers would have a duo of combo guards who can get their own shots.
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@PSYCORP ... I do not disagree with either your or hobbit’s comments about Phil getting outcoached by Rick Carlisle. I thought Phil gave up in the second round and was just happy to be done with coaching and the stress. That’s why he was so happy on his way to the podium.
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Robert Horry and his family will also be in my prayers.

This is just too sad.... My heart goes out to the Horry family.

My condolences and prayers go out to the Horry family.

MM - I disagree with your take on Kobe's so-called controversial silence on the topic of Mike Brown. Who the hell cares what he says to the media? As someone pointed out, Brown has already stated that the two of them have talked and texted several times. Kobe's probably already talked to all his teammates by now as well. Jeeze - anything to make Kobe look like a spoiled brat, right?

My heartfelt sympathy goes out to the entire Horry family and I will keep you in my prayers.


"In the game of life, Ashlyn Horry is the true champion of the Horry family."

My condolences and prayers go out to Robert Horry and his family.

JAMF - No that's not the point at all. I think I've been pretty evenhanded in praising Kobe and then criticizing some of his actions. Players and coaches use the media to send messages and they're well aware the words they say carry a certain weight with fans and teammates. For a coach who's already under a lot of skepticism from the general public, Kobe's endorsement would go a long way. Besides, if Kobe never really thought what he said mattered, he wouldn't go through the media to request a trade or publicly say they wanted Brian Shaw as a coach. It's definitely a calculated decision

My heart and prayers go out to the Horry family. We spent the first year of my oldest son Noah's life in the hospital due to multiple heart defects. He almost died several times due to complications after many surgeries. By the grace of God, he is a healthy nine year old boy who is doing very well for his abnormal heart. I am truly saddened for Robert and his family. Hopefully they will see her again in a better place, where the streets have no name:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDkBzkA9L4s

@Justa
I am with you girl on this one. Kobe is paid to be the franchise player of the Lakers, not their spokesperson.

LakerTom,

you wrote: (Q) you want Kobe to pass the ball more to D-Fish, Pau Gasol & Ron Artest?
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(A) If they were open and were either hitting their shots or had an advantageous matchup, yes. You either trust or do not trust your teammates. That’s what team basketball is all about. You WANT your teammates to succeed because you know 1 man cannot win a game by himself. It takes a team.

my response: Umm .. I told you to stop taking drugs. It's slowing you down.
Per *ALL* of the statistics I've shown/posted here ad infinitum, it's clear
that they weren't hitting their shots. WHAT PART OF 2-10 ISN'T CLEAR
TO YOU?

re: Kobe shot over 20 times a game against the Mavericks.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310504013

Kobe 9-20

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310506006

Kobe 8-16

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310508006

Kobe 7-18

re: (A) No, I was the guy who wanted to replace him with Jordan Farmar. I always hated Smush Parker. I may have rooted for him because I do that for every player who dons purple and gold but I never liked Smush and always considered he and Kwame to be players we would be better off without.

umm ... No. I'm 90% certain that in November of 2010, as my dog was
dying I went through and found a ton of absurd statements that you had
made. It's at the tail end of the November/Beginning of the Dec. threads
if you want to prove me wrong. Otherwise, I'm going to go with my memory
of what you wrote and what I cut & pasted a few months ago.

you wrote: (Q) Didn't you also say that Bynum going to the World Cup, instead of getting surgery, wouldn't be a problem?
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(A) What I said was Drew requested and was granted permission by the team to go so I was fine with it. I also do not accept that playing a couple of minutes more per game early in the season is why Pau Gasol disappeared late in the season and in the playoffs. More of your rehashing of dead horses.

my response: stop quibbling. In most parts of the world, where english is
the primary language: "not a problem" = "I was fine with it"

you wrote: Q) Didn't you also say that it was better for Bynum to go on vacation instead of training with Kareem?
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(A) No, I never said that. What I did say was after many years of working with Kareem, I could understand why the team and Drew decided that the intense tutoring was no longer needed because the returns were diminishing. Your insinuation that Drew did not appreciate or learn from Kareem is nothing more than your personal opinion. Drew and Kareem have never said anything negative or unflattering about each other. In fact, Kareem’s comments about Drew are highly complementary.

my response: No. You didn't say it. Not like this & I can prove it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01.html

says that Bynum was drafted in 2005. that would have made it Bynum's
fourth season. To argue that there were diminishing returns on the
tuteledge of Bynum doesn't make any sense in light of his lack of college years.
Futhermore,


Furthermore, if you go back and look at Kareem's words he said, "I'm
disappointed that Bynum has decided to work out less with me. I felt that
there was more I could have offered him." [ paraphrase ]

And before you start about it being a paraphrase, I have posted this
information ~ 3 times. It's somewhat fresh in my head.

you wrote: (Q) Is your statement that the man with 5 championships, 1 MVP, 2 finals MVP, 1 Olympic Gold Medal, 4 all-star MVP's, multiple all-nba awards and multiple all-nba-defensive awards knows less about basketball and what it takes to win at the NBA level than some guy in northern california who never played professional basketball?
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(A) No, my statement is that one who has never played the game, has little understanding of what it takes to create team chemistry on the court, and has admitted that he doesn’t think like most people knows less about what it takes to win at the NBA level than one who has played, officiated, coached, watched, and analyzed countless games for years.


my response: Since I have played team sports & been successful & know
people who were successful at the professional level, I'm going to say that your
points are extraneous to the main topic. Furthermore, I'm going to say that
your historical record of being right and wrong, when it comes to basketball,
clearly shows that you don't know jack. Either that or you leave your brain
at the door of your office when it comes to Lakers basketball.

re: not thinking like regular people. Umm ... what makes you think
professional athletes are like regular people? Let me put this in perspective
before you pop a vein.

1. Think about everyone who is mediocre at their jobs. Compare that with
the professional basketball players. For most of them, if they had just been
mediocre, they wouldn't be playing professional basketball. Therefore,
they're not like regular people.

2. Given the high level of obesity in the US, the professional athletes are not
like everyone else in that they watch what they eat, the medicine they take,
the access to top-notch medical staff.

3. The competitive nature of professional athletes would have to be more than
that of the common person otherwise everyone who was 6-3" with some
hop would be playing professional sports. Obviously, that's not true.

3b. Think what it takes to go through the grind of a 9-month season. The
travelling. etc. An average person is mentally & physically unable to do
this. That's *one* of the reasons why professional athletes make as much
as they do.

"MM - I disagree with your take on Kobe's so-called controversial silence on the topic of Mike Brown. Who the hell cares what he says to the media? As someone pointed out, Brown has already stated that the two of them have talked and texted several times. Kobe's probably already talked to all his teammates by now as well. Jeeze - anything to make Kobe look like a spoiled brat, right?

Posted by: Justanother Mambafan | June 14, 2011 at 03:15 PM

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If you don't care what Kobe says to the media, why would you care what the media says about Kobe?

Some people are assuming it isn't an issue, other people are assuming it is an issue. We're all just making assumptions here because Kobe has elected not to voice his opinion.

""In the game of life, Ashlyn Horry is the true champion of the Horry family."
-pfunk36

Beautiful. Just beautiful.

RIP Ashlyn Horry! You are in a better place now!

"re: Kobe shot over 20 times a game against the Mavericks.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310504013

Kobe 9-20

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310506006

Kobe 8-16

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310508006

Kobe 7-18

Posted by: hobbitmage | June 14, 2011 at 03:43 PM "

He also shot 29 times in game 1 and for the series, averaged just under 21 shots a game. He averaged 20 shots a game during the regular season.

I realize his shot attempts were inflated by game 1 but that's how averages go. He had a lot of games during the season where he was under 20 shots attempted but it balances out in the end. I'm not criticizing his shot attempts, just pointing out that in the series against Dallas, a decrease in Kobe field goal attempts was not evident.

Justa- "MM - I disagree with your take on Kobe's so-called controversial silence on the topic of Mike Brown. Who the hell cares what he says to the media?

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Well, actually, about a million people or more care what Kobe says to the media.
That's why they covered his press con about the homeless, because it was Kobe.
That's a reason he gets so much coverage in general, it's Kobe.

Kobe is the team leader and an international star, he's an EF Hutton of BB, in a way.

He is one of the most well known players in the NBA. Many in the press have wanted a statement regarding Brown and that alone should make him aware (as if he isn't) he should say something simply because people want to know.

His silence is intentional, that's what makes it not alright.
It would be so, so easy for him to get word to the press, just 1 or 2 sentences, but he is choosing not to do that.

Yes, that silence sends a message.

Hobbit with the left hook!! Laker Tom tries with a haymaker!! Hobbit with the patented jab jab side step!!

SOMEONE PASS THE POPCORN DAMMIT!!

Thanks
PSP Officer

I also want to send out my condolences and prayers to the Horry family and Ashlyn. May she RIP, shes in a better place now...

what a sad news, man just plain sad,

whats even sadder is we traded Horry to San Antonio and he won a championship!!!

Horry thanks for being so clutch, your time as a laker can never be forgotten, those clutch shots, will be cemented in lakers history forever!

>>>or publicly say they wanted Brian Shaw as a coach.

A quote which was made during exit interviews... a time when players are expected to speak to the media and are effectively still working at their job.

You're asking Kobe to abort his vacation time to come back to work so he can make a statement to the press that you'll then twist any negative you can out of.

Condolences to the Horry family.

As for Kobe's silence re: Mike Brown, of course Kobe isn't obligated to speak out, but remaining silent is hardly a mature response from the guy who is supposed to be this team's leader. What kind of a message does it send to younger players on the team when the captain essentially disses the new coach like this (and make no mistake about it, the failure to say something as simple as "looking forward to winning a title with Mike Brown at the helm" absolutely disrepects the new coach).

Moreover, it is yet another example of an athlete making a bad PR move. Whether it is his intention or not, Kobe is giving off an impression of being a spoiled child, and that is hardly the kind of thing that a guy who seeks millions of dollars in endorsements should ignore.

Finally, there is an entire Laker nation of fans who would like to know that, in the aftermath of a disastrous playoff run, we are not about to embark on another nightmarish feud in the locker room involving Kobe Bryant. Do it for the fans if nothing else.

In short, his silence doesn't help the new coach, it doesn't help his teammates, it doesn't help Laker fans, and it doesn't help Kobe's image. Other than all that, it's a great move....

Okay Art Lakers, I'll ask you the same question I asked MM (that he chose not to answer).

Let's say you're on vacation with the family. And let's say you work at a job where you don't get to see them much for several months of the year.

Now lets say your job calls and says they want you to come back in and do some work - just a few hours. Do you do it?

If they ask you to come in EVERY DAY and do some more work, do you do it?

Because if Kobe makes one statement, then next week, the Lakers will sign Joe Shmoe and if Kobe doesn't IMMEDIATELY ABANDON HIS FAMILY and respond to ESPN, TJ Simers, Chad Ford, Mark Medina, Andrew K and Brian K, and 17 other reporters, then clearly he must hate Joe Shmoe and he's going to never accept him on the team.

And then the next day, Pau Gasol will say he's going to play for Spain this summer, and the press will DEMAND THAT KOBE IMMEDIATELY ABANDON HIS FAMILY so that he can come give his opinion of whether Pau playing this summer is a good thing or a bad thing. And if he doesn't respond, then clearly it's a bad thing and he must privately be calling Mitch to tell him to Ship Pau's ass to New York for Chauncey Billups.

And the next day, Andrew Bynum will get an ingrown toenail. And they'll want to know if Kobe thinks that this proves that Andrew is injury prone and if he thinks Andrew should be traded. And if Kobe doesn't reply, then clearly he thinks that Bynum is a problem and that he should immediately be traded for Erick Dampier.

And on and on and on and on.

The man is on vacation.

HE WORKS DAMNED HARD. HE DESERVES A VACATION.

It's lame of people to question his motives or assume a doom and gloom scenario just because Kobe doesn't dance like a puppet every time you try to pull his strings in the off season.

Leave the man alone. Let him be with his family for awhile.

When he's back with the team or at some NBA related thing, he'll answer the questions properly. Until then, take a chill pill.

and lest I miss the point of the thread completely - condolences to the Horry family.

okay heres the setting...

2002 WCF against the Queens

Over the Lakers' three-year run, Horry made a game-clinching three-pointer in at least one game in four straight playoff series (starting with the 2001 NBA Finals), but perhaps none more important than in Game 4 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals against the Sacramento Kings.

Trailing two games to one in the series and facing Game 4 in Los Angeles, the Lakers were down by as many as 24 points in the first half. Eventually, the Lakers cut the lead to 99–97 with 11 seconds to play. On the final possession, after Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal missed consecutive layups, Sacramento center Vlade Divac knocked the ball away from the basket in an attempt to run out the clock. The ball bounced to Horry, who hit a three-pointer as time expired. Everyone rushe's to the floor, and Caos erupt in staples center with people chanting " HORRY, HORRY "

The Lakers won Game 4 100–99 and would eventually win the series. The Lakers went on to sweep the New Jersey Nets 4–0 in the NBA Finals.


@HOBBITMAGE ... “Furthermore, I'm going to say that your historical record of being right and wrong, when it comes to basketball, clearly shows that you don't know jack.” So long, hobbit. I am just going to ignore your posts from now on. I think it’s pretty obvious who doesn’t know Jack.
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@LongTime, hyperventillate much?

With all due respect, on the assumption that you were not being facetious, your analysis is ridiculous. Nobody is asking Kobe to "come in to work" during his vacation. He responded to a text from a reporter with a "no comment" (while on vacation). A simple comment would have been sufficient, as evidenced by the fact that NOBODY is questioning why Fisher or Gasol only made one short comment each (also, astoundingly, while each was on vacation).

If you think that signing a new coach to replace Phil Jackson is the equivalent to signing "Joe Schmoe" to the roster, you're dead wrong. Especially when said new coach was rumored to have been let go from his last job for fear that his superstar player didn't want him back.

In case you hadn't realized, a short statement expressing excitement to get back to work next year with Brown could easily be done in this technological age without IMMEDIATELY ABANDONING HIS FAMILY.

Bay to LA,

re: averages. I'll give you that numerically, you are correct. That being said, 3-4
games, he shot the ball 20 or less.

Tie?

re: my memory of LakerTom's words, Kobe & team ball.

Is it time for quick trip down memory lane?

[ I keep hearing: EJ's neat-o stat of the night. :) ]

Does he make mistakes: sure. Who doesn't? But this whole lack-of-team-play, too many shots stuff.... Have you looked at the rest of the team's performance lately? Ron can't hit even if he's wide open (though Kobe is religiously going to him). Pau's tuckered out something fierce. (I love Pau's play, but he's a PROFESSIONAL athlete - he should be in Kobe or Fish shape ALL THE TIME - that means he's got to have wind. Tired out is not a phrase one should hear unless he's playing 48+ minutes a game... like Wilt did for a WHOLE SEASON). Heck, he's not even demanding a double team from the opposing D these days. Shannon's improving, but his shot's been off and on the last couple games, so that dagger's gone.

I'd rather have Kobe shooting at a time like this. And besides, he's been doing plenty of passing... all the way up to the point when his teammates keep missing the open looks.

Posted by: 63 Footer | December 02, 2010 at 01:51 PM

Yup.

Posted by: Magia32 | December 02, 2010 at 02:00 PM

I'd rather have Kobe shooting at a time like this. And besides, he's been doing plenty of passing... all the way up to the point when his teammates keep missing the open looks.

Posted by: 63 Footer | December 02, 2010 at 01:51 PM

LRob - I'm with you on whether Kobe jacks to jack, or jacks because his teammates aren't there. Lately I think it's been much more about passive teammates (although a few games seemed about getting his stoke back after the surgery, but at times and against teams that were under control).

Lots of people forget that if his teammates don't hit the open shot, the D then shades even more on Kobe, who then has to not only take more shots, but more difficult shots. I see Kobe getting three more assists a game if Ron hits a few of those he's missing, and LO and Pau do, too (especially Pau lately). And that's not including all the hockey assists Kobe gets.

Posted by: 63 Footer | December 01, 2010 at 04:18 PM

Talk to me in June and tell me how "very valuable" these games were. It is almost as if you do not have an understanding of this team despite the fact that it has been to three consecutive NBA Finals, including back-to-back championships. And while Fish has hit a cold stretch and di look slow in his reactions on defense last night in particular, you make it sound as if somehow he has single-handedly lost these games. This is a TEAM, not a collection of individuals.

You are overly harsh toward Fish and you place way too much importance on these early season losses. If you haven't noticed, the general tenor of this magnificent forum has not been one of panic and "blame," just critique with an understanding of the big picture. Your posts do not display the same degree of sophistication as the bloggers who have set the tone nor do you seem to have a big picture understanding of this team. I can only imagine how you reacted down the stretch last season when the Lakers dropped 6 of their last 11 games. Were those games "very valuable," too?

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | December 01, 2010 at 01:19 PM

“The team's early, light schedule has begun to turn with a back-to-back in Houston against the Rockets on Wednesday. After a couple of "gimme" home games (Sacramento Kings and Washington Wizards), the Lakers will play nine of their next 11 on the road.

So what's wrong?

Kobe taking too many shots? Is the team forgetting to give the ball to Pau Gasol? Where's their championship-level defense (instead yielding 100.2 points a night)?

The answer isn't complicated. The team misses Andrew Bynum.

Facing relatively subpar competition on an early home-heavy schedule, Gasol and the Lakers managed without their starting center for a stretch.

Additionally reserve Theo Ratliff went under the knife to get his knee fixed up, leaving the team without a true center on the entire active roster.

Once the size of opponent increased (Roy Hibbert, Marc Gasol, Zach Randolph, etc.) and the minutes began to wear on Gasol, the Lakers gradually lost their inside advantage.

Pau can masquerade as a center - even help the Lakers get to the NBA Finals in that role - but LA is no champion with the Spaniard logging heavy minutes at the five.”

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TOM

Posted by: LakerTom | December 01, 2010 at 01:40 PM

"Okay Art Lakers, I'll ask you the same question I asked MM (that he chose not to answer).

Let's say you're on vacation with the family. And let's say you work at a job where you don't get to see them much for several months of the year.

Now lets say your job calls and says they want you to come back in and do some work - just a few hours. Do you do it?

If they ask you to come in EVERY DAY and do some more work, do you do it?


Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | June 14, 2011 at 04:17 PM

That's an interesting point and my view on it is that someone would have to be a complete workaholic to answer yes to those questions. They'd have to love their job so much that being the absolute best they could be in it was their true goal in life. Sounds a lot like what we say about Kobe Bryant when it comes to basketball, doesn't it?

The sky isn't falling if he doesn't respond but people are at no more fault for assuming there is an issue or tension than you are for assuming everything is fine.

If Kobe texted one of those reporters and said "Calm down guys, Phil can't be replaced but looking forward to working with Mike Brown and bringing the trophy back to LA" it would be over and he would still have 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 30 seconds to spend with his family that day. Until he does that, we're ALL just making assumptions.

@Cyber - must throw the penalty flag on you on this one. LakerTom provoked this latest "war of the words" when he said hobbit would be happy if Bynum got hurt. I don't know what happened 6 months ago, 1yr ago...etc, but in this instance that is what happened.

Posted by: LRob | November 30, 2010 at 09:31 AM

I would be very curious to hear what people thought of the Kevin Ding
article.

It has been said that I know nothing about basketball.

from the kevin ding article:

Bryant decried the Lakers' defense afterward, barking at a reporter who asked about the team's faulty offense: "Stop asking about offense. It's ignorant. Talk about defense. Defense wins championships."

So, the next time someone talks about Kobe taking too many shots ... might
we come back to this line?

I'd also like to hear from "post players" about the lack of rebounding.

Can we stop with the Pau is the MVP of the Lakers now?

re: we only need Bynum for the playoffs.

Since Phil seems to disagree with this sentiment per:

"This (Bynum's surgery) is something that's supposed to take place after the season, and he's supposed to be ready by the season – and we built our team around that fact," Jackson said. "His operation wasn't done on time. Andrew was late to his operation."

It was a rare flash of anger from Bynum's bosses, who haven't publicly quibbled with Bynum going on two vacations and then having surgery 41 days after last season ended – or him reiterating just the other day how "I think the time I did it was perfect."

In reality, Bynum and his people shut themselves off from the Lakers all offseason to the point that the Lakers were blindsided mere hours before the start of training camp about how long Bynum would need to recover. (Remember those initial headlines about how Bynum might miss opening night?)

No one informed the Lakers that Bynum's personal doctor had decided to reattach cartilage instead of removing it, as is customary – taking a recovery that might've been just three weeks and making it so that Bynum couldn't do weight-bearing activities for three months.
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Can we stop giving him a pass and saying it was ok to go to the World Cup
instead of getting surgery?

Why am I talking about this? Because I'd like to know if some people will
be honest and say they made a mistake in judgement. Just curious.

Anyhow, on to the next game.

Posted by: hobbitmage | November 29, 2010 at 12:50 PM

First off I'd like to echo many here to express my condolences to Robert Horry and his family.

Speaking of Horry brings up to me an interesting point. You guys know what? if it's possible I would trade Pau Gasol for Robert Horry right now. Or for that matter someone similar to Robert Horry even if it's not an even trade.

Why? I think the Twin Tower or Size Advantage is OVER-RATED. I'd rather have a Robert Horry to stretch the court and let Bynum have the paint all by himself so he can work his defender.

Frankly I'm not that impressed with the Lakers' supposed Size Advantage. Whatever advantage the team gained in Size it has given back in Speed. Which means against a team with equal size to match such as the Mavs the Lakers are dead duck with their SLOW speed.

But it doesn't have to be Gasol. I'd still make the trade with Bynum if I can get back a premier PF who can shoot light out from long-range of which there are a few in the league.

Come to think of it a starting lineup of Bynum, Gasol, Artest, Kobe and Fisher like the Lakers had for most of last season was downright AWFUL in the long-range shooting department. When he was still on top of his game Fish could have been the long-range threat they needed to spread the court but no longer. No team that plays the Lakers should EVER have to fear paying the price for packing it in.

Not just at PG (Fisher) but at least one more shooter is needed whether it's at SF (Artest) or PF (Gasol). If coach Brown still wants to use both Bynum and Gasol he should make Artest improve his outside shot 100% or start Barnes instead.

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-PsyCorp


So let’s set the record straight. Hobbitmage is NO Andrew Bynum fan. Even a fool could see from his history of posts that he has no respect and little appreciation for what Andrew has done for the team or what he means to this year’s chances to 3-peat much less what he means to the franchise’s future. Even a fool can read between the lines and see the charade that hobbitmage is now trying to pull off is just another attempt to beguile, mislead, and misinform so as to create the illusion that he supports Andrew Bynum. when the reality is that he would likely jump up clapping if Drew got hurt again.
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TOM

Posted by: LakerTom | November 28, 2010 at 01:18 PM

My condolences to the Horry family.

>>>He responded to a text from a reporter with a "no comment" (while on
>>>vacation). A simple comment would have been sufficient, as evidenced by...

Really. If he'd have texted, "I like Mike Brown", that would be it? Nobody on ESPN would want any further details? MM wouldn't create three blogs on why Kobe didn't expound on what he likes and doesn't like about Mike Brown. Four words and you'd all go away and leave him alone until camp starts?

I doubt it.

First they'd want to know WHAT he likes about Mike Brown and then they'd want to know if he thinks Mike Brown should keep the triangle and then they'd want to know if Mike Brown was to blame for LeBron losing and then they'll want to know if LeBron was to blame for Mike Brown losing and then ....

It's like the little dutch boy with his thumb in the dyke. You pull your thumb out and the whole dyke comes crashing down and you get flooded.

I interpret his "No comment" as "leave me alone, I'm on vacation". If you want to interpret it as "Mike Brown is a dirty slime and I'd rather the Lakers had signed Brian Shaw.", then go right ahead and assume that.

But remember, when you assume...

Longtime Laker Fan - You're misconstruing the point. This issue is different because it's the new head coach. Whenever any new hire has come, Kobe has always put out a one to two sentence statement about it. Also his shielding behind the question at his foundation was a poor excuse. All he needed was to say I'll talk more in detail later about Mike Brown, but we had a great discussion, I'm looking forward to working with him and I'm confident we'll be on the right track. Part of the reason why so many press people came to his foundation event was because he knew they wanted to ask him about the Brown hire. Him being silent on that speaks volumes. It has nothing to do with wanting to endorse the foundation. Media members also asked questions about the foundation. But his refusal to offer one sentence about Brown or to at least speak about it outside after his event promoting the foundation speaks volumes. That day he wasn't on vacation.

>>>The sky isn't falling if he doesn't respond but people are at no more fault for
>>>assuming there is an issue or tension than you are for assuming everything is
>>>fine.

Bay to LA,

No, there's a distinction.

My interpretation is that WE DON'T KNOW Kobe's opinion, because he hasn't stated it yet. He will eventually state it, and then we'll know.

MM and some others are claiming that his non-response is effectively a negative response. That him not saying anything means that he doesn't like that the Lakers signed Mike Brown as a coach.

Am I misrepresenting you MM? or is that pretty much your position?

To me, there's no aesthetic difference between Kobe saying "I like Mike Brown" the day the Lakers signed him versus him saying the same thing a month or two from now.

It will make absolutely no difference for the season. As long as Kobe makes his statement before the season starts, it's all good.

Insisting that he make a statement now now now when you want it is unreasonable.

Condolences to the Horry family , friends, and loved ones.



Let's go Ls...and make a comeback next season!!!!!

I have to agree with those who said that Kobe should have said something, anything -no matter how small, no matter how fluff, even insincere sounding... it's still better than saying nothing when coach Brown was hired.

My guess is that Kobe might have felt slighted. Not only did the FO not choose his endorsement candidate, Brian Shaw they did not consult or notify him whatsoever about the new hire.

And Kobe would be right to be indignant and felt some dis-respect even.

However two wrongs don't make a right IMO. While Kobe is under absolutely no obligation like some said, it would have been a GREAT gesture for him to "forgive" and "forget" the FO's faux-pas and put out a couple words of welcome to coach Brown.

Even a terse and fluff "I welcome coach Brown to LA and look forward to working with him" would have been better than nothing.

Unfortunately the opportunity is GONE. There really is NOTHING that Kobe can say at this point that will make anybody forget his initial silence which I don't take it as much something against coach Brown as it was a protest against the FO.

Kobe could have been doing EXACTLY what he is doing now and refuse to speak ONE single word about Mike Brown and it would have been an entirely different world... IF he had just done one tiny little thing:

Why couldn't he just release a short statement through his agent or PR people something to the effect of "I welcome coach Brown to LA and look forward to working with him"? or even tweet it or something to the effect?

And did it the same say coach Brown was formally introduced or shortly before.

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My condolences to Rob Horry and his family. Yall love your daughter but God loved her best. Weeping may endureth for a night but joy will come in the morning.

LongTime, I am really surprised by your insistence on this point. To respond to a request for comment on your new head coach with "no comment" is not reasonably interpreted as "I am on vacation but would be happy to talk to you about this subject in length upon my return." It just isn't. It's a slap in Mike Brown's face, which is why two of the classier members of the Laker team provided positive comments.

For crying out loud, the mere fact that this has produced a controversy disproves your point.

My point is that it is a very negative reaction by Kobe whether you take his silence as an affirmative slap at Brown or merely an action that leaves doubt as to where Kobe stands re: his new coach.

The notion that poor over-worked Kobe cannot interrupt a vacation long enough to tweet or text or speak a 30 second comment (despite interrupting his vacation for, you'll love this, A PRESS CONFERENCE) is a statement in and of itself, and many of us see that quite clearly.

Characterizing as "unreasonable" the suggestion that Kobe use any one of the many opportunities he's been given so far (text message from the Times, press conference re: foundation, etc) to make short comment on Mike Brown is itself pretty darn unreasonable....

Medina you are obssesed with kobe comments about coach brown. i have a suggestion why don't you have a running tally about how many days have elapsed before kobe makes a comment about brown. Similar to how the media had a running tally of how long before former prez reagan spoke about the new pandemic the aids virus.

Kobe is 33 years old and been in the league for 15 years. Yet he just discovered that there were homeless people in LA. Simers made me laugh when he wrote kobe probably saw the homeless on his helicopter ride from staples to his home. This charity sounds like the work of his tax accountant to get an extra tax deduction. Cause we all know kobe doesn't care for anybody especially the homeless like hobbit.

Reminds me of when Rod Carew lost his daughter

Just sad.

RIP Ashlyn Horry

******Most objective and intelligent observers would say that we failed to take advantage of our superior height and length most of the season and for sure in the playoffs against the Nuggets and Mavs. Most objective and intelligent observers would say that the major reasons we failed to three-peat was due to the weight of all those extra games we played or Pau Gasol’s disappearance or Kobe Bryant’s not coming through in the clutch like previous years, like Dirk Nowitzki did for the Dallas Mavs.**********

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Obviously I'm not a smart man nor objective or intelligent because what I saw these playoffs was a healthy Bynum not playing like a go-to man. He was outplayed by Tyson Chandler a man 50 pounds lighter. Bynum's weak repertoire of offensive moves and shots along with his inability to establish an advantageous low-post position defeated any purpose of an inside-out game. Though his FG% was a decent 53% it was mostly on chippies and in the playoffs you're not going to get 20 chippies a game.
Pau Gasol's disappearance was even more critical to the Lakers demise than Bynum's. 42% from the field, numerous fumbles, and mental mistakes cost the Lakers at least a game or two against Dallas that could have led to a more competitive series.
In the New Orleans series it was much the same. If it wasn't for Kobe's 2 game changing dunks in game 5 (?) who knows how that series would have turned out.
People talk about LBJ "checking out" in the Finals, but Kobe, who was definately limited by his ankle injury resisted (or realizied) that any attempt to take over a game would be futile so he continued feeding his teammates who repeatedly failed him. End of story.

Make the move for Howard, he has said he will become a free-agent and Bynum is a logical replacement for Orlando. Howard is so far ahead of Bynum it makes me laugh at those who try to say they are on the same level. Howard's athleticism is through the roof. Comparing the two, Bynum is a Neanderthal.

Gasol,in my humble opinion can, and should never be trusted again. Thanks for the memories Gasoft. If anyone should be traded, he should be the first, no ifs, ands, or buts. Hell, don't care if we get less in return, Monta Ellis for Gasol? DO IT YESTERDAY. When you can't be trusted you are a liability.

There are 4 lights

"Bay to LA,

No, there's a distinction.

My interpretation is that WE DON'T KNOW Kobe's opinion, because he hasn't stated it yet. He will eventually state it, and then we'll know.

MM and some others are claiming that his non-response is effectively a negative response. That him not saying anything means that he doesn't like that the Lakers signed Mike Brown as a coach.

Am I misrepresenting you MM? or is that pretty much your position?

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | June 14, 2011 at 05:08 PM "

I don't see much of a distinction. Some people are assuming that this is Kobe's personal time and it is no reason for concern that he isn't immediately jumping back into basketball questions. Other people are assuming that Kobe is making a statement by being silent about this based on how important basketball is to him and that he has never been shy about providing instant approval about personnel decisions in the past. We didn't wait a month to hear what he thought of the off-season acquisitions of Ron Artest, Matt Barnes, Steve Blake, etc.

Kobe is not a rookie with the media. He knows what conclusions will be drawn from his comments or lack thereof. Responses like "no comment" are almost never given in lieu of praise.

Troll Man I see why Mitch is the general manager and you have a minimum wage job at Wendys. Lakers - Gastrong = 1st round playoff exits. Kobe as great as he is couldn't win jack without gastrong. As for Bynum, the man is a center and depends on wing players to get him the ball. Kobe refused to feed bynum the ball out of pure jealousy. In game 3 against the mavs bynum the beast was rolling in the 1st half. In the 2nd he only got 2 shots.

Yes it is easily construed as a negative endorsement of Brown. When Phil came back, he sent a text to Brad Turner. Same when Fisher resigned with the team.

Kobe is just throwing a temper tantrum. He is upset that he was not informed first about the hire. It shows immaturity for the supposed leader not to make a public comment about the new coach. But the contract is signed and all kobe can do is remain silent like the spoil brat that he is. It was a stroke of genius for the busses to freeze him out and bring him in line with the team concept. They are praying that kobe demands a trade so they can get out of that ridiculous contract.

Now I must give kobe credit. sure his motives with the homeless is not purely altruistic. At least he will help a few people to get his tax break. But contrast that with king james. he basically said that for those hating on him yall will wake up poor, broke and homeless for the rest of your miserable lives while he will enjoy life to the fullest spending his millions.

I'm terribly sorry for Robert Horry and his family.

My sincere condolences.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Thank you for the coverage.

I'd never heard of this syndrome and knew very little about the Horries.

After visiting the Foundation website, at least I know this: it's difficult condition to diagnose, a challenge to manage, yet Ashlyn's smile is radiant, eternally radiant.

Sincere condolences to the Horry family.

May the God of all comfort wrap His loving arms around Big Shot Rob and the entire Horry family.

>>>When Phil came back, he sent a text to Brad Turner.

Phil had 9 rings at the time. That's something to get excited about...

>>>Same when Fisher resigned with the team.

Fisher started in the NBA with Kobe and got 3 rings with him. That's something to get excited about...

Brown? Who knows.


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