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Who would you be willing to give up to get Dwight Howard?

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Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard recently shared with NBA.com's Scott Howard-Cooper that he won't sign an extension with Orlando and will become a free agent next off-season no matter what. Sure, Howard added that he "wants to be in Orlando," but he questioned the team's overall commitment to winning and made it clear he'll consider other options if the Magic doesn't win the 2012 NBA championship. 

That's unlikely to happen.

Orlando General Manager Otis Smith already tried that last year with a major roster shakeup. In mid-December, the Magic traded Rashard Lewis for Gilbert Arenas and shipped Vince Carter, Mickael Pietrus and Marcin Gortat to Phoenix for Hedo Turkoglu, Jason Richardson and Earl Clark. But the Magic regressed, going from a 2009 NBA Finals loss to the Lakers and a 2010 Eastern Conference Finals loss to Boston to a 2011 first-round loss to Atlanta. That means the Lakers (and other NBA teams, of course) are gearing up for the possibility they could get Howard in a trade or at least once free agency hits. It's currently uncertain if the Magic would look to trade Howard now to cut their losses, or really try to assemble the necessary pieces to secure a title. 

But it's a no-brainer on whether the Lakers should try to get him. The reasons are fairly obvious. He's the best center in the NBA, winning defensive player of the year for three consecutive seasons, and he finished second for league MVP behind Bulls guard Derrick Rose. Howard averaged 27 points on 63% shooting along with 15 rebounds in the postseason despite a marginal supporting cast. But what should the Lakers be willing to give up? That's the question that leaves plenty of Laker fans conflicted. Of course, everyone would love to just shed all the reserves' contracts (namely Luke Walton). But teams don't make deals under the influence or under the gun. So let's be realistic here. Below are a few scenarios to get the discussion brewing.

1. Howard for a deal involving Andrew Bynum as the centerpiece. 

Sorry, Bynum supporters, but the Lakers shouldn't even think twice about this deal. That's including Jim Buss, whom Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski recently reported has stressed to the Lakers that Bynum is "untouchable in trade talks."

I've long maintained that the value the Lakers have in keeping Bynum anytime his name swirled in possible deals because of his distinguishable size advantage and that his potential would finally become unleashed. As much as Bynum turned a corner this past postseason in both his production (14.4 points on 54.3% shooting and 9.6 rebounds) and making it out of the playoffs injury-free, there are several things that make Howard a better fit. He would already replace the assets Bynum brings with a post and defensive presence, but at an even more prolific rate. There'd also rarely be any concern for Howard staying healthy. He's only missed seven games in his seven-year career, including two with a stomach virus and two to suspensions. 

As much as Bynum wants to assume a bigger offensive role, that might be easier said than done. Kobe Bryant immediately retorted that Bynum will have to "fall in line," making it more likely Bynum will have to simply continue taking ownership of the Lakers' defensive identity.  Should Howard join the Lakers, I don't expect Bryant is going to suddenly accept being a sidekick to Howard. But I could see him accepting involving Howard more in the offense. Plus, given Howard's skill level, the transition period between Bryant ceding the throne to Howard would prove to be a lot more seamless than it would be to Bynum.

2. Howard for a deal involving Pau Gasol as the centerpiece.

That wouldn't be a good idea even if Gasol played a huge part in the Lakers' quick playoff exit and Bynum proved to be the lone bright spot in the postseason. But this wouldn't be a smart idea from a pure team-dynamic standpoint. Having Bynum and Howard playing side by side wouldn't make much sense because both have equal attributes in size, post presence and defensive prowess. Sure, some may argue that it would create problems for defenses wondering how to stop them. But a front court flourishes best when it features two players of differing qualities. 

That's why Bynum and Gasol became a great combination once Bynum accepted the fact that he needed to stop worrying about how many points he had compared with Gasol. While Gasol thrived with mid-range jumpers and efficient hook shots, Bynum took care of the easy put-backs and rebounding. Howard and Gasol would enjoy that same type of relationship, while Howard and Bynum would simply run into each other. Neither player would be well equipped to play at power forward because it would minimize the commanding inside presence at the center position. Meanwhile, allowing Gasol to solely concentrate at the power forward spot would allow him to flourish more than last year, where assuming the center position at times took away his mid-range capabilities and forced him into a back-to-the basket player. 

3. What extra pieces should the Lakers be willing to give up? Any deal for Howard would likely involve more than just him simply because of salaries and the fact Orlando would want to get the most out of a deal in which it would be giving up its franchise player. The Times' Bill Plaschke suggests a deal involving Bynum and Lamar Odom for Howard and J.J. Redick. The Times' Mike Bresnahan points out a Bynum ($14.9 million) for Howard ($18.1 million) deal might entail Orlando insisting the Lakers absorb Gilbert Arenas' three-year, $62.4 million contract, meaning the Lakers would have to stack up enough contracts to make it work. Bresnahan proposed that would include Ron Artest (three years, $21 million), Steve Blake (three years, $12 million), Derek Fisher (two years, $7 million with a player option for 2012-2013 season) and Luke Walton (two years, $11.48 million).  

I remain wary of both of these scenarios. 

Sure, Redick is coming off a career-high 10.1 points per game and fresh off sports hernia surgery, which could assuage concerns about his 20-game absence last season and his poor play in the playoffs. But Odom isn't exactly a person that's easily replaceable given his versatility and team-first mindset. Meanwhile, accepting a deal involving Arenas means they'd have a player who shot 34% last season and would have four different players to fill voids, causing too much of a transition period for a team that's already going to go through one under Mike Brown.

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"As much as Bynum wants to assume a bigger offensive role..." MM

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That just might cause Bynum to embrace the potential trade - which would make Orlando even happier - because he no doubt would be at the top of the so-called offensive "pecking order." Everyone knows that the Lakers are “foaming at the mouth” for this trade despite Jim Buss publicly quoting the " he's untouchable" mantra.

If they want Lamar, you give it to them. If they're willing to take a lesser player(s), then of course but if L.A. becomes Dwight’s number one priority, then the Lakers just might have a bit more bargaining power to keep Lamar and give up Artest and perhaps a few others. Who knows but one thing is certain: if Dwight wants to come play for the Lakers than Jim, Mitch and Jerry must make it happen. I have a feeling Kobe will be chatting up a storm with “Superman II.”

ORL will not want to simply trade away their prize center; they will also want to unload one of those albatross contracts of Arenas or Turkoglu.

TheSnake

But they are getting the almighty beast Andrew Bynum!!! They should make that trade at whatever cost! How can Orlando pass up on that??

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PSP Officer

As many of us Laker fans know, hyping the notion that any player in the Lakers roster is "untouchable" was simply posturing historically speaking, to increase the perceived value of a player, to be used as a trading chip. Insofar as what pieces need to make the trade work, and whether the Magic should even trade Dwight or not, that's not that issue at work here, the Magic literally have a Carmelo-Lebron 'nade on their hands. Nothing they have done over Dwight's prolific tenure, the shakeups last year, through getting guys nearing the end of their primes helped, in fact made matters worse. So simply right now, an Andrew Bynum and players to be named, for Dwight and players to be named make the most sense out of any trade scenarios I have seen.

-Lamar Odom involved in any trade virtually means the last player (unless Luke Walton and/or Fisher are involved in any deal) other than Fisher, unlikely, and Kobe to be linked to the last Lakers dynasty. His skillsets are great, but unfortunately it was not enough this year. As dude pointed out, if we had to take the Gilbert Arenas contract in exchange, for Artest, and Luke Walton etc I would do it from the standpoint, we didn't win with what we had, as successful a team as it has been, but it was lackadaisical and many core players weren't as HUNGRY so shifting players and re-instating a championship culture would work. At the end Kobe, Mike Brown, and the city, and Dwight Howard get what they want, and the Magic actually get a stack of players in return (see: 2004 Shaq to the Heat).

-Lamar Odom actually still has come into his own, a more consistent player, and may need a new outlook with a different franchise. He still has many great productive years left.

-Bynum give the Magic a new look, new life, continued growth, and extra motivation to succeed and "carve" his own way and legacy in this league, after Kobe notably said that he was not in the plans. Thereby adding more fuel to the notion that he won't be deferred to, even as he's been more productive. Which might mean that there could be problems, as there seemed to be during the playoffs, which might lead to locker room drama, hurting the team.

-Magic, learning from recent history, you don't let your players walk, instead do as the Nuggets did and try and get the best talent available, not the most talent available. Sure the Nuggets had to take a deal this year because Melo wasn't about to resign this summer, and knowing that beforehand they could have landed a better collection of players last summer. Lesson learned.

As far as the dynamic that Dwight actually brings to the table, he shows up for games, so he's a huge part of any team's success, and at the beginning of the prime of his career so Kobe and company can try to battle with the rising teams of the Eastern Conference, notably the Heat, and still polish at least 2-3 more championships while Kobe is an effective player. The franchise doesn't have to worry about a center for a very long time, and we can let other dominant guards flourish and get later. A Mike Conley, O.J. Mayo come to mind. I personally would do a Lamar Odom for Mike Conley (other players to make the price match), Odom and Blake for CP3 or D Will simply because they are almost in the same boat as the Magic are although CP3 has his sights on the NY Knicks, or Dwill went to the Mavs locker room (I don't see Jason Kidd retiring, but unless JJ Barrea etc re-sign how will the Mavs make it work? with multiple guards?). On the other hand Dwill and CP3 actually have starting roster spots waiting for them on a purple and gold-lined silver platter.


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First, some great news! Tex Winter’s health has improved so much he is now expected to attend his induction into the Hall of Fame in August in person. It appropriate that Tex get inducted the same year that Phil allegedly concludes his coaching career. Phil Jackson will of course be there too.
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Rumors are starting that the Cavs may not select Kyrie Irving in the upcoming NBA draft. Word is they are considering selecting Derrick Williams, feeling he would give the team much of what LeBron did with his size, athleticism, and outside shooting ability. That mean’s Kyrie might be available to whatever team manages to trade for the Wolves #2 pick in the draft. Another reason to consider trading Pau Gasol for Kevin Love, Jonny Flynn, Wesley Johnson, and the Wolves #2 pick. David Kahn wants to trade the pick for a veteran and specifically listed Pau Gasol. Call him, Mitch.
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If you needed reminding that our petty lives are nada compared to LeBron, consider that Birdman bet $2M on the Miami Heat to win the NBA championship. There is a cool video out there showing his reaction as LeBron leaves the court after the Mavs ended the Heat’s ring dreams in six.
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I’ve already reserved my spot in the Lakers championship parade next year by making sure that I would have the spare funds to make the trip down from the Bay area by placing a $200 bet for the Lakers to win the 2012 NBA Championship. I figure $1,100 should cover my expenses nicely.
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Funny how just a year ago 2-time NBA champion Pau Gasol was being touted all over as the most talented big men and best European player in the game and Dirk Nowitzki was considered to be a soft player on the decline who would never win a ring. A year ago, fans laughed at comments by Marc Cuban that he would not trade Dirk for any player, including Kobe Bryant. Now, Lakers fans are calling for Gasol’s exhile and wishing we had the German superstar instead of the Spaniard.
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Draft Express has proclaimed that the Lakers have committed to drafting Texas ElPaso’s Julyan Stone with the 41st pick in the upcoming NBA draft. Stone is a 6-7 200# senior point guard who averaged 8.5 points, 7.5 boards, and 5.3 assists his senior year, shooting 60% on 2-pointers and 30% on 3-pointers. Hoopsworld’s Alex Kennedy says “At six-foot-seven, 205 pounds, he has the athletic frame. He can score, rebound and play exceptional defense. He is intelligent and was an honor roll student at Dos Pueblos Senior High in California. “ Sounds like a great fit for the Lakers needs, a true pass first point guard who plays great defense and is a triple double threat every game.
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JULYAN STONE MAKING A NAME FOR HIMSELF
By Alex Kennedy for Hoopsworld
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18027
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UTEP's Julyan Stone has the attributes that every NBA team looks for when evaluating a player. At six-foot-seven, 205 pounds, he has the athletic frame. He can score, rebound and play exceptional defense. He is intelligent and was an honor roll student at Dos Pueblos Senior High in California. He seems like a player that NBA scouts would drool over, right?
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Now consider the fact that Stone is a point guard.
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His biggest strength is creating for others and this season, he'll pass Tim Hardaway as UTEP's all-time assist leader. He is the only player in team history to total more than 500 points, rebounds, and assists. Because of his size, he causes match-up problems every time he steps onto the floor. He studies film of Chris Paul and Deron Williams and continues to improve at the one. He is the epitome of versatility and a triple-double threat each and every night.
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So why haven't you heard of him? How did a six-foot-seven point guard that leads his team in assists, rebounds, and blocks while putting up double digit scoring figures slip through the cracks?
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"I started out playing the center position," Stone told HOOPSWORLD. "That's all I played. I kept growing and when it seemed like I was finally done growing in my sophomore year, I played the one a little bit. But then I started growing again and they put me back in the post."
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He didn't get the chance to play point guard in high school, and continued to play out of position when he entered the AAU circuit. With Brandon Jennings and DeMar DeRozan starting in the backcourt on his team, Stone found himself back in the post during most games.
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"We were stacked at the wing and I was overlooked a lot," Stone said. "But I've always been on those types of teams so that's just the way it goes. I've always been overlooked. It's nothing new to me."
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Though he wasn't playing significant minutes at the one, he developed his point guard skills on the side at the urging of his brothers, J.T. and Jason. Both siblings excelled on the basketball court before playing college football at West Texas A&M and San Diego State and saw his potential at the one.
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"Growing up in California, my brothers always wanted me to be a guard," Stone said. "My brothers' favorite player was Jalen Rose so they always saw me as a big point guard and wanted me at that position. My brothers had always put that in me. Making sure I'd be able to dribble the ball, have that type of leadership, and to be able to play the one. They always trained me as a one rather than as a big and knowing where I wanted to get to and what I wanted to be, I felt that it was the best position for me. Really, I grew up learning the one but I didn't get the opportunity to play it until my freshman year in college."
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Because he wasn't given the opportunity to prove himself at point guard, many teams weren't calling when it came time for Stone to choose his school.
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"A lot of people didn't know about me and as things went along, I wasn't hearing from a lot of schools or coaches. Even back at home, UC Santa Barbara didn't even offer me a scholarship," Stone said.
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After averaging 17 points, 8.0 rebounds, 8.0 assists and 5.7 steals in his senior season, including single-game-highs of 36 points, 18 boards and 15 dimes, UTEP finally noticed him. Because he was so effective in all aspects of the game in high school, the team decided he would be best with the ball in his hands at point guard. When he arrived in El Paso, he was six-foot-four but another growth spurt allowed the guard grow into his size eighteen shoes and become even more effective on the court.
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"It's helped me a lot, especially when directing traffic. When I'm using hand signals or making eye contact with teammates, most guards are smaller so I'm able to just look over them. I'm able to see things on the court that a lot of other point guards aren't able to see because of my size. It's really an advantage offensively. Defensively, being able to use my length really helps me disturb the passing lanes and defend against smaller guards," Stone said.
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He has continued to improve each year at UTEP and while his high scoring teammates like Stefon Jackson and Randy Culpepper have garnered more NBA interest over the years, he feels that he'll be able to prove he belongs at the next level. Stone believes that his play this season and his performances throughout the draft process in workouts will help him land on a roster.
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"I think it's going to work out for me. As long as I go into the process at my best, I'll be fine. I can play off the ball, but I think the one is going to be my primary position if I get to the league. That's what I'm shooting for because I feel like that's the best advantage for me and my team. I think a team drafting me would want me as a big point guard," Stone said.
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He is currently projected as a second round pick by ESPN but one league source wouldn't be surprised if he moves into the first round with an impressive showing in workouts. He must continue to improve his jump shot but it has gotten better each year and his ability to create for others, defensive presence, and all-around game make up for his lack of range. If Stone does make it to the NBA, he feels that he'll be able to compete at a very high level.
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"As a competitor, I feel like I can be an elite point guard," Stone said. "I hope the same thing happens at the NBA level that happened in college where I show teams that I belong here because of the time and work I put in. I feel like I can play with anybody and I learn from everyone I play. I think that gives me an advantage because a lot of players don't learn, they just play the game. They don't see different tendencies or what their opponent does so I feel like that's another thing that's just going to help me become the player that I want to be and eventually an elite point guard at the next level."
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But for now, he's focused on helping his team win games and racking up the triple-doubles.
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"It's been three years in the making. Every time, I'm one rebound or one assist away. I'm definitely going to get you one, I'm getting multiple this year. Multiple triple-doubles!" Stone said with a laugh.
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The six-foot-seven point guard has set lofty goals for himself but has the work ethic and skill set to turn them into reality. Julyan Stone isn't a household name but he's finally been given the chance to step into the spotlight and will make the most of the opportunity. If all goes as planned, it may just be a matter of time until he's counting the triple-doubles he plans to record over the course of an eighty-two game season.
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Tom, I would consider that trade for KLove strongly, if we were able to get Dwight Howard first. We have to know what the Magic are looking for and what we should trade. KLove+Dwight Howard (bear with me if I am getting ahead of myself) would be amazing. Another thing, I would elect to include a team to take on Beasley+2nd pick+Flynn, to the Grizzlies and the Lakers to get O.J. Mayo, Conley IF Gasol was traded. That way all sides get what they want. The Lakers might get a guard through the draft as you mentioned so #2 won't be necessary for us to get, plus, we might be standing pat to see what other guards are out there.


Here is NBADraft.net’s profile for Julyan:
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NBA Comparison: Rod Grizzard
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Strengths: Extremely versatile guard ... Blessed with the natural ability to play PG and size to play three different positions ... Strong athleticism with very good leaping ability and explosiveness ... Smooth, quick first step ... Good penetrator that spends a lot of time in the paint ... Has become very efficient over his four years at UTEP, finishing his last season at 53% ... Tall for a point guard with very long arms ... Excellent court vision ... Sees over the defense and doesn't miss open teammates ... Gets them the ball in a position where they can score easily ... Knows how to feed post players ... Makes good decisions with the ball in transition ... Trusts his teammates and has their trust as well ... Doesn't turn the ball over often ... Plays hard and hustles everywhere on the floor ... Averaged 7.5 rebounds in his senior season despite playing the point guard position ... Has the toughness, lateral quickness and long arms to be a blanket on defense ... Has the potential to defend 1s, 2s and 3s at the next level ...
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Weaknesses: Non-existent scoring ability ... Despite playing 36.5 minutes per game in the fairly weak Conference USA, he only averaged 8.5 points per game ... Very poor shooter ... Lacks any range on his jump shot ... Opponents will have no respect for his shooting ability and play off him, which will make him an easy player to defend, and inhibit his playmaking abilities ... Solid finishing ability around the rim, but won't get as many opportunities there at the next level ... Poor free-throw shooter at 56% ... Had four years to improve his shooting ability, yet never managed to do so ...
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Overall: Stone is a very interesting prospect, but won't have an easy path to the NBA ... PGs over 6'4 can be counted on one hand and seem to becoming obsolete ... He would be an ideal role-player at the next level if he could become a respectable shooter and maybe take advantage of his size by taking smaller defenders into the post ... His versatility may get his name called in the second round of this year's draft, but he needs to patch up some of the major holes in his game if he wants to play in the NBA any time soon ...
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LAKERTOM

If the team gives up Lamar Odom in any combination of players to get Dwight Howard they are making a critical miscalculation that will come back to haunt them from here on out. Odom has done something for this team that no other player since Michael Cooper has done: Whenever he shows up on the floor...the pace picks up...the intensity picks up and the team as a whole plays better. There is nobody on the roster to fill his role, and there isn't anyone coming from Orlando that would come even close. Arenas? "Hibachi" is burned out and needs to be turned out. Turkoglu? Lost his mojo after the last trade. Those are the only two relatively warm bodies they have to throw in the deal. Odom has to remain or they are throwing away any shot at another chamionship in Kobe's era.

Seriously...? Someone up there thinks the Lakers can come up with Howard AND CP3? Come on now...this is not an Xbox game or a fantasy league...keep it real kids!

some have considered me to be a Bynum bashing.

In their worst nightmares, I have never done something like this:

http://www.yardbarker.com/all_sports/articles/msn/chicago_cubs_minor_league_affiliate_pokes_fun_at_lebron_james_with_fake_replica_championship_ring_giveaway/5051743

snippet:
The Single-A team announced that "the replica ring, which like LeBron's is non-existent," would be handed out to fans before the game on June 16 as a part of promotion honoring the 1990 Chicago Bulls.

The release also stated that "the Chiefs are looking into whether or not the game can skip the fourth inning to honor King James who took off the fourth quarter of every finals game," further poking fun at James' supposed inability to play when it matters -- in the fourth quarter.

"We aren't sure if the league will allow it," Chiefs president Rocky Vonachen said. "But if LeBron doesn't need to show up for the fourth, maybe we won't either."

The release said "fans will also have the opportunity to learn how to perform the Heimlich to prevent themselves or their colleagues from choking in a big situation."


MM... It will be interesting to see whether or not this highly publicized trade will ever take place. While I can understand why the Lakers might trade Drew for Dwight, I do not see it as the slam dunk that you do. There are still serious issues over how much more the Lakers will have to pay to sign Dwight and whether he would be willing to take a secondary role to Kobe Bryant. In my opinion, the issue will be resolved by how healthy Drew remains and how well he plays next year. If he focuses on defense and rebounding and can deliver an entire season with play reminiscent of the Lakers 17-1 post all-star game run, then I seriously doubt the Lakers would trade Drew for Dwight.
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The other big objection I have to trading Drew for Dwight is that center is the least of our worries right now. If we are going to trade assets, it would be a much more intelligent move to trade Pau or Lamar for a top notch point guard. Adding Chris Paul, Deron Williams, or Raymond Felton for Pau Gasol or Lamar Odom would give the Lakers a more balanced and versatile team than just replacing Drew with Dwight. Pau and Blake for CP3 and Ariza or Pau for Kevin Love, Jonny Flynn, Wesley Johnson, and the Wolves #2 pick are trades that would have a bigger impact in my opinion.
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Not for nuttin hobbit but ya left out one important detail:
The team doing this, which I find hilarious by the way...whomever came up with the idea needs a raise...is located in Peoria, IL.
Absolutely a scream!!!

@LakerTom

In my opinion, the issue will be resolved by how healthy Drew remains and how well he plays next year. If he focuses on defense and rebounding and can deliver an entire season with play reminiscent of the Lakers 17-1 post all-star game run, then I seriously doubt the Lakers would trade Drew for Dwight.
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I respectfully have to disagree with you my man. Dwight has shown to be immune to injury and Bynum is an injury magnet - doesn't matter how freakish they are, why was Shaq not as injury prone at Bynums same age?? We have seen the same movie over and over and over again, I like Bynum as a human but as a talent, we must move on. You don't stand around waiting on people while Kobe and the Lakers legacy moving forward are on the line.

I will finish my argument for getting Dwight saying this, do want to bet $100 that Bynum won't be FULLY healthy? Anyone want to bet me $100 or $1,000? Case freakin' closed.

Laker Tom - Hah I knew you'd obviously object to this and I see some of your points. I raise this but you make a good point how whether Kobe would be willing to make Howard the guy on the team. I think Kobe will still see it as his team and won't suddenly become a sidekick, but I think he'd be more willing to give Howard more offensive touches to Howard than Pau, which is something he wouldn't do with Andrew. As I mentioned in the post, as much as Andrew showed this season what he's capable of without suffering an injury, I don't think he's ever going to escape that. Nothing against him, but it's too much of a gamble. Even with his injury history, I still think it's valuable for the Lakers to keep him because he provides very few things that other people don't have. The lone exception is Howard.

You make an excellent point that it's more important the Lakers try to get Deron Williams or Chris Paul. Completely agree, and that's why I don't think the Lakers should be willing to take on all this various contracts (Arenas, etc) and give up a bunch of players just to get Howard.


@MM ... Can’t disagree with your points, Mark. Bottom line, I’m a Lakers fan first and foremost. If the front office decided to trade Drew for Dwight, they wouldn’t find me saying “no comment.” LOL. As to whether or not the trade will happen, it will all depend on the situation then and what various teams are offering for Dwight. To trade Drew and Lamar both for Dwight when we desperately need help at the 1 and 3 positions would be very short-sighted on my part. Same with taking back Arenas or a similar contract. That’s why all of this talk is meaningless right now. Nothing will happen until the season starts and we find out how the changes the Magic make are going to work. Who knows, when the time comes, I might even be in favor of the trade. It depends on how Drew is playing, how the team is doing, and what other trade alternatives might be available. Until then, it’s a moot issue.
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LAKER TOM

I do not trade Lamar. I do not trade Pau. I do trade Bynum.

reasons: In Lamar & Pau you have two players who are versatile enough
to play 2 positions. In Bynum, you don't have that versatility.

Having Drew & Howard on the team is bad from a Chemistry perspective.
[ Bynum will be unhappy, because DH will start ] That's two starting C's.

The last 4 NBA chaps have had a C who was not terrific offensively.
[ Perkins. Bynum/Pau & Chandler. ] It's not clear that we need an offensively
minded C.

There is a strong argument to be made for getting rid of the Tapa from
Spain. My only response is: I trust Pau to regain all-star form more than
I trust Bynum to play the right way for the entire season. I also believe that
Bynum will eventually injure his knee again.

It's physics. That means it's inevitable. --Les Grossman

Agree with MM. Anybody but Pau.


@POINT FORWARD .... No problem to disagree but before anybody can sign off on any trade, you need to know what the deal is. No way would I give up Drew and Lamar for Dwight and anybody on the Magic. What I do find very ironic is all the Heat haters who are ready and willing to line up and trade everybody on the team in order to replicate the Heat with Kobe, Dwight, and CP3. Like Mitch Kupchak reminded us, it’s all about how the different pieces fit. The NBA is not a fantasy league. I think the Dallas Mavericks had worlds to say about the right way to build a championship team.
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LAKER TOM

Dwight Howard 27.0 ppg... 15 rpg... 63% fg
Andrew Bynum 14.4 ppg... 9.6 rpg... 53% fg

Add to these stats that Howard demands a double-team a majority of the time, how many open shots will he open up for the Lakers? Bynum will never reach these types of numbers.
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******ORL will not want to simply trade away their prize center; they will also want to unload one of those albatross contracts of Arenas or Turkoglu.******

HELLO, Orlando doesn't have a choice. Like Carmelo, Howard can simply play his ace in the hole (and has said it) that he will become a free agent which means Orlando can end up with zero, zilch , nada, nyet. Whoever keeps saying this STFU.
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Yeah, Derek Fisher, way to keep the team from imploding this year. STFU again, ROTFLMFAO.

Okay, so here's something to consider. If the Lakers trade Bynum + Odom for Dwight Howard, here is the list of unrestricted free agent power forwards this summer (and what they made last season). I'm leaving out guys with a player option or an Early Termination Option in their contract. Just actual guaranteed unrestricted available PFs this summer

Andrei Kirilenko, Utah Jazz - $17.8 million
Troy Murphy, Boston Celtics - $0.9 million
Carl Landry, New Orleans Hornets - $3.0 million
Kenyon Martin, Denver Nuggets - $16.5 million
Glen Davis, Boston Celtics – $3.3 million
Kris Humphries, New Jersey Nets - $3.2 million
Reggie Evans, Toronto Raptors - $5.1 million
Chuck Hayes, Houston Rockets - $2.3 million
Josh McRoberts, Indiana Pacers - $0.9 million
Jared Jeffries, New York Knicks - $0.9 million
Luc Mbah a Moute, Milwaukee Bucks - $0.9 million
Craig Smith, L.A. Clippers - $2.3 million
Dante Cunningham, Charlotte Bobcats - $0.8 million
Joey Dorsey, Toronto Raptors - $0.9 million
Joe Smith, L.A. Lakers - $1.4 million
Malik Allen, Orlando Magic - $1.2 million
Jonas Jerebko, Detroit Pistons - $0.8 million
Juwan Howard, Miami HEAT - $1.4 million
Darius Songaila, Philadelphia 76ers - $4.8 million
Leon Powe, Boston Celtics - $0.9 million
Shelden Williams, New York Knicks
Chris Wilcox, Detroit Pistons
DJ Mbenga, New Orleans Hornets
Brian Skinner, Milwaukee Bucks
Hamady Ndiaye, Washington Wizards
DeMarre Carroll, Houston Rockets
Solomon Jones, Indiana Pacers
Brian Cardinal, Dallas Mavericks
Brian Scalabrine, Chicago Bulls
Josh Powell, Atlanta Hawks
Melvin Ely, Denver Nuggets

See any players you like? Think they'd take an MLE contract or less (assuming the MLE is even still around with the new CBA)? Basically if you trade both Drew and Lamar, then this is your most likely shopping list of players to take up Lamar's minutes. Pau & Dwight Howard can't play 48 minutes a game, so they'd have to add a player who can play at least 30 minutes a game, without making the team suck. They don't have to be as good or as versatile as Lamar, but they do have to bring something to the table.

I don't hate the Heat. I do dislike LBJ.

I do not want to replicate the Heat. None of the trades suggested actually do
that in my opinion. It is not a problem to have a "Big 3". Boston did it and
they won. Miami tried to do it and lost.

Trading Drew for Dwight does not replicate the Heat, because the Heat do not
have a DPOY at C. Furthermore, if I read the trades right ...

We would have Dwight, Pau, Artest/Barnes, Kobe & CP3. *THAT* is a
championship roster. You've got *jack* for a bench, but we've had that for
the last two years haven't we?

Also, I think these last finals clearly showed the difference b/n Kobe & LBJ.
One is a killer. The other is a businessman masquerading as a basketball
player.

Give me a "healthy" killer w/ sidekicks over the 3 amigos any day of the week.

I've got $10.00 that says the Lakers don't get CP3 or D-Will.

I've got $5.00 that says the Lakers don't get DH.

It is nice to dream though....

Okay, so one reporter suggested that Orlando would want to dump Turkoglu's huge contract on the Lakers as part of the deal. What would you think of this deal:

Bynum + Odom + Walton
for
Howard + Turkoglu

Walton's contract is 1 year shorter than Turkoglu's and half as much each season. I think the suggestion I read was Bynum+Odom+Blake - I substituted in Walton. At this point in time, Blake's remaining contract is bigger than Luke's, so in terms of money, taking back Luke is better than taking back Blake.

For standard of comparison, think of it this way - it would cost 11 million to buy out Luke, or you have to wait until summer of 2013 for his contract to expire (or use him as an expiring contract in a trade in spring of 2013).

For Blake, it's either 12 million or summer of 2014.

For Turkoglu, it's either 44 million or summer of 2014.

Given those terms, Luke would save the Magic 30 million dollars, so he's not that bitter a pill. And then if there's an amnesty, they could dump Gilbert Arenas' even bigger and worse deal, and they'd have Drew, Lamar, Jameer Nelson, and cap space (and a few other players as well of course).

For the Lakers, yes they'd have to give up 2 bigs, but they'd get back a SF who can create his own shot, and who hit over 40% of his 3's last season. Yes, his contract pays more in 3 years than the entire 6 years of Luke's contract, but he is definitely more functional than Luke.

So thinking about it, I'd be willing to give up Bynum and Odom, but only under one of two conditions:

1. The deal includes the Lakers getting back a functional PF from Orlando (Brandon Bass or Ryan Andersen would be fine).

OR

2. Before they consummate the deal, the Lakers sign a reasonable backup PF in free agency. Someone here has been hyping Kris Humphries. If he'd work for 3 to 4 million per for 2 or 3 years, then I could live with that. I'd also consider a reasonable deal for Kirilenko, K-Mart, Landry, Josh McRoberts, or a couple others.

The thing is, they'd need to assure that they could have a 3rd big under contract before parting with two of their big frontcourt 3.

"Another reason to consider trading Pau Gasol for Kevin Love, Jonny Flynn, Wesley Johnson, and the Wolves #2 pick. David Kahn wants to trade the pick for a veteran and specifically listed Pau Gasol. Call him, Mitch"

If the Lakers could get all that back for Pau, then it's a no-brainer but I don't think Minnesota would give up most of their team for him.

>>>No way would I give up Drew and Lamar for Dwight and anybody on the Magic.

Anybody? You sure?

You wouldn't give up Drew and Lamar for Dwightt Howard and Jameer Nelson?

I'd do that in a hot minute.

S. Perkins, GMoney, and BigGreenwhatever. Maybe even 63Footer if they throw in a case of good scotch.

Seriously, I'm on the "we don't need D. Howard" bandwagon unless the intent is to keep him off a WC team. I'm not saying he's not a great player, but I don't think it's critical that we get another big man when our back court and bench need some speed and reliable outside/mid-range shooting.

Then again, I feel like I'm reliving the summer of '04 so don't mind me...

JR

>>>but I don't think it's critical that we get another big man when our back court
>>>and bench need some speed and reliable outside/mid-range shooting.

And that's one school of thought (and the one I think the Lakers will follow).

If you feel 100% confident that Bynum won't injure his knees again, then you go foward with the players that got you to the finals 3 years in a row, since they give you the most likely shot of making it back there.

The main reason to trade Bynum + whatever for Howard is if you lack confidence that Bynum will be able to stay healthy. If that's your belief, then giving up an unreliable Bynum + some other player for one of the top 5 players in the league is a no brainer.

Think about this though. If the Lakers weren't willing to give up good players in order to acquire better players, then they never would have gotten Shaq. It's not completely the same, since they didn't trade for Shaq. But they dumped off 1/3 of the team for expiring contracts (much as the Heat did the last couple of years) to make sure they'd have the cap space to sign Shaq.

Getting Howard is nearly the equivalent of getting Shaq. Howard doesn't quite have Shaq's offensive chops, but he's the closest thing to Shaq in the last 20 years. You don't see that because he hasn't been on a good enough team to win 4 rings. But if you could trade Bynum for Shaq in his prime, would you?

TrollMan,

>>>HELLO, Orlando doesn't have a choice. Like Carmelo, Howard can simply
>>>play his ace in the hole (and has said it) that he will become a free agent
>>>which means Orlando can end up with zero, zilch , nada, nyet. Whoever
>>>keeps saying this STFU.

Well for starters, Carmelo is an argument FOR the thing the argument of the poster you're criticizing.

Denver could have taken New Jersey's inital offer. They could have taken New York's initial offer. But they didn't. They played those two off of each other, then threw in a rumor that they were talking to the Lakers about Carmelo for Bynum just to get NYNJ to up their offers.

Eventually, Denver got a bigger package deal than the initial offers. And they managed to dump off Billups big contract.

If Orlando goes to shop Dwight Howard at the trade deadline, it's not like there will only be the Lakers in the running. Other teams might be able to offer better deals than Bynum + Walton... for example:

Dallas - The current Champs. I'm absolutely 100% positive Mark Cuban would give up anyone not named Nowitzki to get Dirk. So if they offer Tyson Chandler, Shawn Marion, Jason Terry, Rodrique Beaubois, and take Gilbert Arenas' hideous contract off their hands, that might look more appealing than Bynum and a bucket of hot wings. And I guarantee you Howard would have no problem extending with Dallas to play out the rest of his career there.

Miami - What if the Heat decide that Wade, Bosh, Howard would be more balanced? Does Orlando turn down LeBron for Howard?

Boston - Not sure what they could offer, but I bet they'd give up everyone but Rondo if it would get them Howard

Chicago - How about a package starting with Boozer and Noah?

Oklahoma City - You want Serge Ibaka, James Harden, Kendrick Perkins, and anything not named Durant or Westbrook? Take `em.

Basically every team in the league would be making offers, and several of those teams are legit enough contenders that Howard would be likely to consider them.

So the Lakers can't just pick what they want the deal to be and say, "Take this or lose Dwight for nothing." They'd have to negotiate a set of pieces that's competitive with what other teams are offering, but keep enough talent in house to still be competitive.

@POINT FORWARD .... No problem to disagree but before anybody can sign off on any trade, you need to know what the deal is. No way would I give up Drew and Lamar for Dwight and anybody on the Magic. What I do find very ironic is all the Heat haters who are ready and willing to line up and trade everybody on the team in order to replicate the Heat with Kobe, Dwight, and CP3.
---

That's fine all, but don't confuse me wanting Dwight Howard, and a team desperate to get talent in return (Lebron could have gotten the Cavs talent in return but hindsight is 20/20) trading with our team making the right trades moving forward and striking while the iron is hot, with me opposing forming big-three's or superteams. There is a big difference between teams making good moves, and a collection of big-time free-agents each taking less money to "win multiple champinships" only to not back it up once they got there. Instead, their blind fans, calling the objective majority "haters" for just telling the truth. I never said I was against them forming a big-three in Miami, or Lebron choosing Miami, or Carmelo Anthony going to the Knicks, but it also irks me as a Laker fan to see these attitude filled primadonnas calling their shot during the summer last year, wanting to topple MY team-so yes there is an element of my overall hatred for how these Heat not just Lebron, Wade or Bosh but the entire roster who tried to coast their way to a title vs the Mavs. Another part of me is, don't confuse the Heat or the Celtics forming their own big-three as a precedent because it has already been done before. At least when the Lakers make such a deal, the probability of a title is closer to 99%.

@LongTimeLakerFan
Denver could have taken New Jersey's inital offer. They could have taken New York's initial offer. But they didn't. They played those two off of each other, then threw in a rumor that they were talking to the Lakers about Carmelo for Bynum just to get NYNJ to up their offers.
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My response: Apples and oranges, only a handful of franchises have as highly touted young-athletic 7 foot centers as the Lakers. The other one would be javel Mcgee from the wizards but he’s nowhere close in ability to Andrew.
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Eventually, Denver got a bigger package deal than the initial offers. And they managed to dump off Billups big contract.
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My response: Which is what the magic might want to explore. I don’t have a
big problem with the team taking on hedo, he’s a good shooter after all, but whatever, a big outside shooter too.
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If Orlando goes to shop Dwight Howard at the trade deadline, it's not like there will only be the Lakers in the running. Other teams might be able to offer better deals than Bynum + Walton... for example:
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My response: That’s not a formidable trade scenario that has been proposed by anybody. I can see the value in getting Andrew bynum, luke Walton due to his expiring contract, Shannon brown (not sure if the Lakers can even trade him since he has an option or something), Blake. I would compare the trade to the one the Heat did for Shaq, with Odom, as the centerpiece. Bynum as the centerpiece here.
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Dallas - The current Champs. I'm absolutely 100% positive Mark Cuban would give up anyone not named Nowitzki to get Dirk. So if they offer Tyson Chandler, Shawn Marion, Jason Terry, Rodrique Beaubois, and take Gilbert Arenas' hideous contract off their hands, that might look more appealing than Bynum and a bucket of hot wings. And I guarantee you Howard would have no problem extending with Dallas to play out the rest of his career there.
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My response: I agree mark Cuban would want to do that deal, but like everyone has said, who’s to say there won’t be another big-time center with loads of potential coming into the league in a very long time, that the Magic could trade for and build around like Andrew? Tyson Chandler is a good starting C but not a centerpiece, does he fill the void left by Dwight? Why would the magic want to take on shawn marion, who’s less skilled than odom for example. Jason terry is a good player, but they already have surrounded Dwight with shooters and they weren’t able to make it far, why would they want Jason terry. Andrew bynum would make far more of an impact on the eastern conference and the Magic (see the thunder getting perkins) than Jason terry. I personally wouldn’t make a deal with dallas if dirk isn’t involved. Again, before they were champions they weren’t even expected to beat Portland in the 1st round. Their collective talent, and mental strength, not talent got them the championship, where as bynum is mostly physicality, and youth.
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Miami - What if the Heat decide that Wade, Bosh, Howard would be more balanced? Does Orlando turn down LeBron for Howard?
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My response: I agree but for all it’s worth, lebron is not seen that way in the media. Their fans are in love with lebron eventhough he was mia during the 4th quarter, he signed on for about 3-4 years with the heat so it’s a project and titles are expected to be won during that time. They were able to make it all the way to the finals, and they are going to trade one of the two reasons why? Their image wouldn’t be too good either if they made the trade. Sure, it would make more sense for the Heat, but it would make no sense for the Magic. It all goes back to trading big for small. It sounds weird saying that when its lebron, but he has shown time and time again he can’t be clutch when it matters the most, and he has no midrange shot. For the magic, though, who would fill the center hole? Andrew maybe? Of course that’s a legitimate team, even a title contender, but you can’t have your cake and eat it too, you give up Dwight for Andrew, and who for lebron?
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Boston - Not sure what they could offer, but I bet they'd give up everyone but Rondo if it would get them Howard
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My response: again the Celtics are not beaming with talent as it is, and they only have aging stars with one more title run in them. Why would the magic even approach that scenario unless it involved nobody but rajon rondo. I would put a trade to the Celtics, to an eastern conference rival at .9% chance.
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Chicago - How about a package starting with Boozer and Noah?
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My response: that is one of the most intriguing possiblities, again it’s not black and white. You can’t build championship contending teams, or rebuild having undersized over the hill boozer, and noah. Noah has game but he’s not anywhere close to having dwight’s or Andrew bynum’s overall game. He’s just a scrappy 3rd option on offense and a defensive 1-2 punch, it wouldn’t help or hurt the magic, but it wouldn’t resolve any of their problems. Andrew is the answer. Yet again it’s an eastern conference rival. Who else under 6’11 would you want to pair with jameer nelson, Jason Richardson etc.
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Oklahoma City - You want Serge Ibaka, James Harden, Kendrick Perkins, and anything not named Durant or Westbrook? Take `em.
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My response: again there are too many fantasy-league hypotheticals that don’t make sense for the magic. Who out of the other PF/C combos out there at or under 6'11 have anywhere close to the length, strength, size, athleticism, youth and potential that Andrew bynum has, Perkins? A guy that is menial at best and way more injury prone than Andrew? Offensive liability? I am saying he’s the best in the class of the guys you mentioned, Kendrick Perkins, Serge Ibaka, C Boozer, etc. out of the deals that make the most sense I would put Oklahoma and the lakers are the better of the two. However, as much as I know James Harden is one of the most improved players in the league, best perimeter shooter (which would saturate the magic with perimeter shooting guards), part of their current “core”. There is no indication to think Harden would be included as a "centerpiece" of any deal for the foreseeable future. And knowing the team that gets the star wins, why not get the next best thing in return.

I'm not saying Andrew bynum is Dwight howard by any means, his season averages aren’t close, (potential, potential, potential) but in this case you are doing the most humanly logical decision trading big-for-big. Which actually makes the trade to the lakers the most realistic. Im not saying it’s a slam dunk but it’s the best for all teams involved. Maybe a third team is added a fourth, and if the Orlando magic don’t want Andrew bynum by then they could actually benefit the most by acquiring him since he CAN hit his freethrows, doesn’t complain as much as Dwight, which would further help Stan van Gundy and facilitate the magic’s existence. If they don’t want him by building around Andrew bynum, ironically his deal ends 2012 so that’s around $14 mill off the books. If, however the Lakers' hand was forced due to the litany of trade proposals you laid out, the Lakers still have one of the best trade out there, Andrew Bynum a legit 7', and Lamar Odom a guy with plenty of years left.

Kobe is not ever in any trade discussion, unless it is a trade to the Laker's VP of Player Personnel (& Jim Buss gets fired) in 4-5-6 years (once he has 7 rings) when he hangs up the Chuck Conners, so to speak!

For Howard, I would try to trade Bynum, since we don't need one of them on the bench........well actually we do need a 5 backup, but can't see either one sitting on the bench without huge mental problems.

Then try Pau. I would like them to get rid of Pau anyway after he folded late this past season for whatever they need.

I don't see any trade other than those two, that the Lakers could pursue for Howard. LO, plus a bunch of our flotsam won't be enough to get Howard or anybody of that All-Star/DPOY caliber.

My perfect trade would include Luke, Joe Smith, Theo, Caracter, Blake, a 1957 Mickey Mantle baseball card, and a stale bag of Fritos for Howard, but I'm betting their GM is smarter than that.

They might actually take RA + LO, but I think that is a problem in this Kobe era dwindling down before they get enough to go for the ring again.

I respectfully have to disagree with you my man. Dwight has shown to be immune to injury and Bynum is an injury magnet - doesn't matter how freakish they are, why was Shaq not as injury prone at Bynums same age?? We have seen the same movie over and over and over again, I like Bynum as a human but as a talent, we must move on. You don't stand around waiting on people while Kobe and the Lakers legacy moving forward are on the line.

I will finish my argument for getting Dwight saying this, do want to bet $100 that Bynum won't be FULLY healthy? Anyone want to bet me $100 or $1,000? Case freakin' closed.

Posted by: PointFoward | June 15, 2011 at 02:23 PM
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Nobody but nobody is immune from injury!!!!
Matt Barnes never had an injury until he played for Lakers. No guarantee DH would come in and get his knee torn up by Kobe or Lamar bcause that is what happened to Drew!!

No disagreement w/MM's analyses. Plaschke's proposal is wishful thinking (ORL would want Bynum and Gasol if LAL refused to absorb bad contracts). Bresnahan's is more realistic simply because of the Arenas incentive. Otherwise, if ORL ever got to *that* point -- the point where they actually listen to offers, you can automatically stamp "fail" on any proposal featuring Walton or Blake. ORL will try to be very picky, even about trade filler, unless they're expiring contracts.

>>> only a handful of franchises have as highly touted young-athletic 7 foot
>>> centers as the Lakers. The other one would be javel Mcgee from the
>>>wizards but he’s nowhere close in ability to Andrew.

Never heard of Marc Gasol, huh? Or Brook Lopez? Or Joachim Noah, or Roy Hibbert?

Some of them are nearly at Bynum's level, others have shown flashes and are young enough that they could get to Bynum's level or higher.

And not one of those players has a history of being injury prone, like Bynum. If you gave a team right now a choice between Marc Gasol and Andrew Bynum, I bet half of them would take Gasol.

Bynum is not the only talented young center in the league. Right now he is the most talented young center (except for Howard of course, who could still be considered young), but he is also the most injury prone.

Teams want what they expected Greg Oden to be... but they don't want what Greg Oden actually is.

>>>My response: That’s not a formidable trade scenario that has been proposed
>>> by anybody. I can see the value in getting Andrew bynum, luke Walton due
>>> to his expiring contract, Shannon brown (not sure if the Lakers can even
>>> trade him since he has an option or something), Blake. I would compare the
>>> trade to the one the Heat did for Shaq, with Odom, as the centerpiece.

1. Walton't not an expiring contract
2. Shannon's not tradeable without his approving the trade
3. Blake proved unreliable last season, so he doesn't have good trade value right now either.

----

So the Heat trade for Shaq included Odom and Caron Butler - that's a 6th man of the year and an All-Star. Let's be generous and assume Bynum eventually stays healthy enough to make the All-Star team. So is Luke the 6th man? Or would that be Blake?

That offer is nowhere near what Miami gave up to get Shaq. Nor would Orlando ever accept it.

>>> Tyson Chandler is a good starting C but not a centerpiece, does he fill
>>>the void left by Dwight?

If he's on the court and Bynum is out with an injury, then he fills the void better than Bynum does.

>>> Tyson Chandler is a good starting C but not a centerpiece, does he fill
>>>the void left by Dwight?

If he's on the court and Bynum is out with an injury, then he fills the void better than Bynum does.

>>>Why would the magic want to take on shawn marion, who’s less skilled
>>>than odom for example.

Ah, but that's my point exactly. If Odom and Bynum are the core of a package, then it has more value than the Dallas package I mentioned.

If it's Bynum and the junk of the Lakers roster, then Marion, Terry, and Beaubois or Barea looks a lot more valuable.

>>>Their fans are in love with lebron eventhough he was mia during the 4th
>>> quarter, he signed on for about 3-4 years with the heat so it’s a project and
>>> titles are expected to be won during that time. They were able to make it all
>>> the way to the finals, and they are going to trade one of the two reasons why?

Like I said, to balance the lineup. LeBron's and DWade's games are very similar. Howard would give them a dimension that neithr LeBron or Wade is capable of, and it would also make them less susceptible to teams with a big front line.

Did you watch game 6? Did you notice in the fourth how Dallas bigs kept getting offensive rebounds over the tiny Heat? With Howard at center, that wouldn't happen nearly as much.

I agree with you I don't THINK they'd do it.

Part of it is that I relish the idea of LeBron screwing his team over and moving to Florida and then the Heat dumping him off to a mediocre team the next summer. LeBron dumping on his hometown fans was all about business to him. So of course he'd understand that it was all about business to the Heat when they traded him for Howard... right?

>>>Their image wouldn’t be too good either if they made the trade. Sure,
>>>it would make more sense for the Heat, but it would make no sense for
>>>the Magic.

Actually, it very well might. LeBron is a huge asset. And there's nobody in Orlando who's skill set overlaps with him, as Wade does. And LeBron is under contract for two more seasons, so they could put off the walk out threat for an extra year.

And even if they decide not to keep LeBronze, they could trade him to half the teams in the league for almost whatever they want.

>>>ng undersized over the hill boozer, and noah.

Again, if the Lakers are offering Odom and Bynum, then that trumps Boozer and Noah.

Noah isn't nearly the offensive player that Bynum is, but he's a better defender.

And Boozer isn't nearly the DEfensive player that Odom is, but he's a better scorer.

But if the Lakers are offering Bynum+Walton+Blake+Brown, as you suggested, then Boozer & Noah is clearly a better deal.

Point Forward,

Okay now I'm confused. My big long response was to someone who was suggesting that all it would take was Bynum. The last line of your post seems to indicate that we're on the same page.

If the Lakers offer Bynum and Odom (plus some other lesser stuff - picks, take back Turkoglu, whatever), then they could probably get the deal done. If it's Bynum + scraps, then I think Orlando would find more value elsewhere.

A big part of it is Bynum's injury risk. You don't want to trade a guaranteed 10 time All-Star center for another center and then have the guy you get back be injured more than he plays. If the choice is just that versus another young center who's not quite at Bynum's level, but good and stays healthy, then I think they'd go with the healthy guy.

>>>the point where they actually listen to offers, you can automatically stamp
>>> "fail" on any proposal featuring Walton or Blake. ORL will try to be very
>>> picky, even about trade filler, unless they're expiring contracts.

I disagree. Look, the Lakers were willing to take Brian Grant's hideous contract (3 times the size of Luke's or Blake's) in order to get Odom and Butler, the two best players they were offered.

IF Bynum and Odom are the two best players Orlando is offered, and if the Lakers are willing to take back one of their big albatross contracts in the deal (e.g. 44 million bucks worth of Turkoglu contract), then taking back 11 million worth of Walton contract or 12 million worth of Blake contract isn't that big a deal. It's a net savings of 32 million for the Magic, and if it's Walton, it becomes an expiring contract one year sooner than Turkoglu.

It largely would depend on what other teams were offering. If Miami is offering LeBron, then that takes precedence. But if the best other offer is Tyson Chandler and Shawn Marion, then Bynum and Odom and Walton doesn't sound so bad.

How do you like this team: The 2011-12 Lakers

Kevin Love Dwight Howard Lamar Odom
Caracter Darko Milicic Matt Barnes
Pick #56 Pick #48 Pick #58

Kobe Bryant Kyrie Irving
Wesley Johnson Jonny Flynn
Devin Ebanks Pick #41

Kevin Love _______ Dwight Howard _________ Lamar Odom
D. Caracter _______ Darko Milicic __________ Matt Barnes
Pick # 56 ________ Pick # 48 _____________ Pick # 58

Kobe Bryant __________________________ Kyrie Irving
Wesley Johnson _______________________ Jonny Flynn
Devin Ebanks _________________________ Pick #41

Kobe used to think Shaq wanted the ball too much, and now it appears he thinks the same of Bynum.

Kobe needs to realize that Bynum is more than an asset; he is the best player on the Lakers.


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