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Photo Caption Contest: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar stands tall with Eminem

Kareememinem_0The two men are different.

Former Lakers center Kareem Abdul-Jabbar became the master of the sky hook, while rapper Eminem just mastered dropping hooks. Abdul-Jabbar is the author of seven books, mostly on African American history, while Eminem is the author of six albums, mostly on his troubled family history. Abdul-Jabbar stands 7-foot-2, while Eminem stands 5-foot-8.

That's why there are so many reasons this photo Abdul-Jabbar released on his Twitter feed appears awkward. At Bonnaroo Festival in Tennessee, Eminem appears tired or maybe a bit tipsy, while Abdul-Jabbar looks like a giddy fan. Eminem's "Bad Meets Evil" shirt commemorates his recent song with Royce Da 5'9'', while Abdul-Jabbar's "skyhook" shirt commemorates his distinguishable on-court skill.

But perhaps there are similarities. 

As Abdul-Jabbar tweeted, "The King of the Court Meets a Hip Hop King backstage @ Bonnaroo Great to meet such a humble & talented guy." Eminem's an equal-opportunity offender, throwing barbs at endless celebrities, ranging from artists (Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Mariah Carey), to politicians (Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Sarah Palin) and upsetting women and gay groups for his violent lyrics directed toward them. Abdul-Jabbar lately has been an equal-opportunity offender, arguing that the Lakers' failure to construct a statue of him provides one example of the Lakers disrespecting him, and publicly criticizing Scottie Pippen for suggesting LeBron James may be the best player of all time.  

Both feel misunderstood. Eminem often shared how he was bullied growing up, his mom was a drug addict and he felt isolated in an black-dominated rap industry. Abdul-Jabbar often shared how his height made him stand out in the crowd, didn't know how to interact with the general public and his introverted and sometimes off-putting personality made him a distant figure in the Lakers' organization.

And let's not forget both showcased amazing performances on the big screen, with Eminem starring in "8 Mile" and Abdul-Jabbar appearing in "Airplane."

Forget his collaborations with Dr. Dre, 50 Cent, D12 and Lil Wayne. Eminem needs to collaborate with Cap. Fast-forward to the 0:23 mark of this video and you'll understand why. In 1987, the Showtime Lakers performed a rap song imploring people to "Just say no to drugs," in which Abdul-Jabbar busted out the following verse: "I'm Kareem/the captain of the team/I don't need drugs, I got a higher thing/My sky hook makes the team look good/but there's a hook we need to shake from the neighborhood." Something tells me with those verses, Eminem would have a formidable opponent in a freestyle battle, a contrasting voice to his drug-influenced songs in his early career or a complementary presence to the present time where he's remained sober after a well-documented drug addiction. 

But those are just my ideas. What are yours for a photo-caption contest? The best comment will be featured Wednesday. 

Photo: Former Lakers center Kareem Abdul-Jabbar stands with rapper Eminem at Bonnaroo. Credit: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

-- Mark Medina

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"Today I woke up and had the same life that I had yesterday...I still had 5 rings, 2 finals mvp's, 1 regular season mvp and a gold medal" -Kobe Bryant

@HOBBITMAGE ... “re: winning a championship. ahem. We went to 3 finals in a row with Kobe
as the focus of the offense. This year we played: "Our length is our biggest strength" and we lost. This year Kobe kept feeding Pau & Bynum and we got swept. Do you really want to talk about which formula works and which doesn't?”
This is a perfect example of why I never take your alleged facts seriously, hobbit. I don’t know what games you were watching but to claim that the reason we did not three-peat was because we tried to run the offense through our bigs rather than Kobe is patently and blatantly ridiculous and a result of your distorted and myopic view of everything because of your blind allegiance to Kobe Bryant.
Most objective and intelligent observers would say that we failed to take advantage of our superior height and length most of the season and for sure in the playoffs against the Nuggets and Mavs. Most objective and intelligent observers would say that the major reasons we failed to three-peat was due to the weight of all those extra games we played or Pau Gasol’s disappearance or Kobe Bryant’s not coming through in the clutch like previous years, like Dirk Nowitzki did for the Dallas Mavs.
So congratulations, hobbit, you are the very first to have a take that the reason we lost was trying to feed the ball to Pau and Drew rather than having Kobe go into his ball-hog mode. Good luck trying to defend that position. As for you telling me when and how often I can post on this blog, that carries about as much weight as your silly expeditions through the archives and your absurd ideas of what constitutes proof. You’ll have better luck with your attack dog tricks and inane ideas with trolls.

I just read a Pau Gasol post on facebook. He was congratulating Jorge Garbajosa on a great career as he's retiring. In reading the comments to his post, I couldn't help but notice quite a few posts from upset Lakerfans. It must really suck for Pau right now, he's probably hearing it everywhere he goes. I want to feel bad for him, but I don't.

Go Lakers!

Photo Caption:

Kareem Abdul Jabbar chillin after having let Eminem hit some of that Kareem Killer Kush, AKA Skyhook.

Go Lakers!

>>>Eminem appears tired or maybe a bit tipsy, while Abdul-Jabbar looks like a
>>>giddy fan.

Actually it looks like they've been sharing a shmoke and a pancake... and I don't mean a cigarette and a flapjack, or a cigar and a waffle, or a pipe and a crepe.


I'm actually a little bit with hobbitmage on this one.

It wasn't the ONLY reason the Lakers lost, but...

1. There was a lot of emphasis that they should play through the bigs. The media, the players, and Phil all mentioned it in interviews. They didn't specifically call Kobe a ballhog, but they were pushing in that direction.

2. Kobe did take a lot fewer shots per game. He took 18.6 shots per game for the playoffs. In 2009, Kobe took 23 shots per game. In 2010, he took 22.2 shots per game. If you ignore the first game of each series, when he shot more, he averaged only 16.6 shots per game. So he was ostensibly trying to shoot less so that the bigs could get more opportunities.

Ironically, the game where the Lakers came closest to beating Dallas, it was because Kobe played Kobeball - he took 29 shots the first game against Dallas. And if he'd have taken 30, instead of trying to kick out a pass late in the game, they may have won it.

3. The bigs just didn't come through. It was a combination of things - Chandler and Haywood were pushing them out farther than they like to start. Other Mavs were sagging off the woefully bad outside shooting of the Lakers and making it hard to get a pass in to the post. But Pau and Drew also passed back out instead of shooting frequently and made some crappy shooting with the touches they did get.

So while it's not the only factor that went into the loss, Kobe deferring shots to other players did contribute.

Look at Dirk's game 6. He started out shooting 1-for-11 for the first half. But he kept shooting and ended up taking 27 shots, including some critical ones in the second half.

Contrast that with LeBron who hit his first 4 shots in the first quarter, but only ended up taking 11 shots in the whole game.

If you're the star, you need to take the most shots. You can't expect Bynum or Gasol to be the man. When Gasol was the man in Memphis, they never went anywhere. Bynum may get a chance to be the man in a few years, but he's not there yet.

Ballhogs win championships.

What's up everyone?

Hows the blog doing?

>>>Most objective and intelligent observers would say that we failed to take
>>>advantage of our superior height and length most of the season and for sure
>>>in the playoffs against the Nuggets and Mavs.

And most intelligent and objective observers would also say that Dallas NEGATED the Lakers height advantage. Chandler and Haywood pushed them further out on the floor than they normally like to start their moves. Other Heat players sagged off of the bad Lakers outside shooting and harassed the Laker bigs or stole the ball.

In otherwords, versus Dallas the Lakers DIDN'T HAVE a height advantage.

He fed the bigs in the 3rd game but we didn't get enough separation from them (partly because Pau stunk). Towards the end of the game the big lineup's weakness finally got exposed...our mobility. Lamar is a poor closeout defender of the 3 to begin with, add him to a lineup of Gasol and Bynum you're just asking for trouble when you space the floor out. On offense, Lamar got the ball twice vs Peja in the last minute, he bricked a 12 foot leaner over him and then turned the ball over the next time because he wasn't able to tap the ball to himself.

4th game Bynum got an early foul and he pretty much lost his aggressiveness from there on out...Fisher tried to hit some 3s and nothing went in. Kobe was the only one who was aggressive and effective I believe after the 1st quarter it was something like Kobe was 6 for 9 and the rest were 2/11

Pau Gasol was also asked after the game about Phil getting in his face more often then usual:

“Obviously he wants me to be more aggressive and be more assertive out there,” Gasol said. “You’ve just got to be able to do that better. I haven’t been able to really get going at all. You’ve just got to do it.”

7. Play Kobe 40 minutes and let him shoot. I have mentioned many times that he needs to be the facilitator. I have changed my mind. I would rather him play 40 minutes, shoot 40 times and get the win. Who is he going to pass to anyway besides Drew? Kobe is the only true shooter on the team at this point. Kobe and Drew need to step up and score a lot. They are the only ones having any success at it.

- lakers need to stop forcefeeding pau. Just STOP relying on this chump.. its obvious phils game plan was to go inside and even kobe on several occassions spoonfed pau downlow hoping to ignite his game.. forget it kobe pls just ACTIVATE like game 1... And if ur gonna go inside let's make bynum our #2 option..

I understand the fans' frustration . But I'm more disappointed that there seems no blame pointed at the coaching staff, specifically, Phil. Horrible defense at this time of the NBA season? This "help defense" (funneling opponents to either left or right) is laughable. All that's done is create problems to the bigs, particularly, Pau, (who's not a shot blocker) by forcing them to commit fouls. Phil's treating these games like they're regular season games. These are the playoffs. Check his substitution pattern, never changes with the flow of the games. He sends in his second unit at exactly the same time, each and every game. In this series, you can see that the Mavs bench is a lot better, so why can't you sometimes play one or two of your starters w/ your bench. Every time Kobe & co. come in and make a run, it's just to even up the score. Dirk is in his top form. You can't deny him. Give him his points but be sure to make it tough on his teammates. Barrea, Haywood?? C'mon. Welcome, Dwight!!!

Posted by: Jun | May 05, 2011 at 10:19 AM


Inside out basketball only works when:
- the inside player has an advantage against single coverage.
- the outside shooters can hit open shots when the inside player is double teamed.

Thus far, neither has been the case against the Mavs. The team, especially Kobe, was force feeding Pau last night to get the inside-out game going, but Pau was ineffective. The offense completely stalled in the third quarter because the team went away from its biggest matchup advantage (KOBE) to get Gasol going. Bynum had a solid game, but most of his offense came from offensive rebounds, or when the outside players created easy opportunities for him. He is also having a difficult time scoring against Chandler/Haywood one on one. Basically, our supposed biggest advantage (our length) has been neutralized. The exact same thing happened against the Suns in last year's playoffs, when the Suns packed in the paint, and Gasol seemed lost the entire series. The Lakers won because the team played KOBE BALL to take advantage of the single coverage from Grant Hill. Against the Mavs, Kobe has a similar advantage, and to beat the Mavs, the offense has to go back to playing KOBE BALL.

There are several advantages of running the offense through Kobe.
- he is the only person on the Lakers who can create his own shot against this Mavs defense, and the only person who can create open shots for his teammates. The White Swan is in full force, and rather than force feeding Gasol, it will be up to Kobe to get Gasol easy open shots.
- more offensive rebound opportunities for Gasol and Bynum. When Pau or Bynum shoot, it takes away one of our best offensive rebounders. When Kobe shoots, he attracts the defenses, creating more opportunities for offensive boards, and resulting in an extra big going after the offensive board. This was one of the main offensive strategies for Larry Brown when he had AI. When people look at AI's FG%, they ignore the fact that many of his shots created easy offensive rebounding opportunities for his teammates.

The Lakers were awful last night, but they still could have won if they made some FTs and hit more than 10% from 3 point range. Everyone knew going in that the third year of the threepeat would be the most difficult. I was expecting scenarios where all hope seems lost, similar to the Sacramento series the last time the Lakers went for a threepeat. This team has faced adversity before, and this series is no different. Do not lose faith Laker fans. Adversity will only make this threepeat that much sweeter.

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | May 05, 2011 at 10:26 AM

>>>Laker Truth - in Game 1, kobe took 29 shots and had ZERO assists.......
>>>not sure I'd want more of that if I'm a lakers fan!!

If you pass to your teammates and they miss shots or turn the ball over before taking a shot (as happened several times when Kobe passed in game 1), then you don't get assists. He passed. They bricked or turned over.

If Kobe got on a hot streak like in game 1, I'd be perfectly happy with him playing 40 minutes and scoring 60 points. It wouldn't be the first time he's done it against Dallas. And that would require Dallas to start doubling and tripling him more frequently and aggressively, which would open Pau and Drew up for some easy baskets, which might help them get their confidence back.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | May 05, 2011 at 11:34 PM

Despite the Lakers’ brilliant start, the Mavericks took a 15-13 lead after a Jason Kidd three-point field goal. The Mavericks faced no resistance when attacking the basket and they were taking advantage of the Lakers’ lack of focus on defense.

Even though the Lakers were having offensive troubles as a team, center Andrew Bynum had an effective and efficient first quarter. Bynum dominated the paint, and his size overwhelmed the fairly less-physical Mavericks. Nevertheless, the Lakers only trailed by six points, 26-20, at the conclusion of the first quarter. Aside from Bynum, the rest of the team could not find any offensive success, but it still remained in striking distance.

Bynum lead the way with six points; however, the Lakers shot a dismal 37% from the field while the Mavericks shot 48%.

Second Quarter
The Lakers came out in the second quarter looking very similar to the way they looked in the first. While the majority of the players on the floor were reserves, Dallas' bench outplayed the Lakers in almost every facet of the game. Meanwhile, the Mavericks continued to attack the basket and draw fouls on the Laker players. Just like Game 1, Dallas was the aggressor while Los Angeles seemed content to stand around and play reactionary basketball.

After J.J. Barea continued to penetrate past the Lakers porous defense, Phil Jackson used a rather unusual lineup. With Derek Fisher running the point, Jackson had Steve Blake and Bryant in the game as well. For a team that is known for its size and length, they went away from it in an attempt to find a way to match up better with the Mavericks.

The trio shot a combined 12-for-28, scoring 38 points and really opening things up for Kobe Bryant, who destroyed the Mavericks from the outside. Had Los Angeles just pounded the ball inside instead of jacking up outside shots, especially from guys like Ron Artest, who was a putrid 1-for-8 last night and 0-for-3 from three point range. the outcome would have been different.

It was bad basketball and it’s the reason the Lakers lost.

Is there something else you'd like to say?

Game 3 was the most balanced shooting. Kobe took 16 shots.. Bynum took 16 shots. Lamar took 16 shots. Pau took 13 shots.

That's 45 shots for the Laker bigs. More than half the shots taken by the team.

The Lakers lost by 6.

The Chili Peppers said it best:

44-38 pts in the paint. advantage Lakers

56-20 pts in the paint. advantage Lakers

42-36 pts in the paint. advantage Lakers

46-36 pts. in the paint. advantage Lakers.

Eminem - Kareem, you know you caused me a lot of grief in 88.

I truly believe that Dallas was the best team in the NBA this year and they deserve to be champions.

Posted by: NBA4eternity | June 14, 2011 at 11:22 AM
No argument here, especially considering they did it without Caron.

Remember D howard's list? Lakers were 3 behind Orlando and Dallas. Dallas will show no interest now. So the lakers are back up to #2. I predict AB and LO for DH and crappy contract. Jim is telling people AB is untouchable to get AB's value up!

I am so Giddy that Lebronny and the Miamy Cheaters Lost!

I don't know how I could survive next year having to hear about the Princess Jimmy and the heatless down in South Beach!

If the Lakers couldn't win it--I am so overjoyed it wasn't the Cheaters down in Meami!!!!!!!

Ha, Ha, to Lefake King and the Cheaters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@LTLF ... Congrats on your second Friedman in a row. While I usually am in agreement with you, we will have to agree to disagree about what I consider to be silly statements from Hobbitmage. To claim the main reason the Lakers did not three-peat was trying to go inside versus letting Kobe go into his attack dog mode is ridiculous. Frankly, I don’t think Kobe was physically able to be himself in the regular season or playoffs this year. The primary reason his shot attempts went down was due to decreased minutes and decreased effectiveness due to his injuries and possibly mileage.
I don’t disagree with your point that LeBron should have kept shooting late in the game instead of passing like a scared rookie. Dirk did the right thing by continuing to attack. Kobe’s problem in my mind was that he just could not get his game going. The turnovers in the clutch were extremely out of character and pointed to how his injuries have hurt his handle. And we saw how Dallas’ team defense made it tough for Kobe to penetrate. Hopefully, we will see a healthy Kobe bounce back who can once again become the best clutch player in the NBA. Right now, that crown goes to Dirk.
As for Drew and Pau, I find it interesting how everybody is now revising history to say Pau was not as big a problem and somehow blaming the loss on Drew. I wonder if they even remember what really happened. My clear recollection was Andrew Bynum being the only Lakers player who had a better playoffs than regular season or prior playoffs and Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Steve Blake, Derek Fisher, Ron Artest, and Kobe Bryant as having subpar playoffs. Do you recall something different because obviously hobbitmage does, although it’s hard to see clearly with his Kobe glasses on?
Frankly, I find hobbitmage’s disrespecting of team basketball to be indicative of a guy who never played the game. The way you win championships is with teamwork and great chemistry that creates synergy where the team’s performance exceeds the sum of the capabilities of its players. The last thing this team needs right now is a prima donna player who won’t even acknowledge having talked to his new head coach and proclaims himself to eat first and others to get the leftover crumbs. The truth is that last year showed that it is now time for Kobe to show his leadership by modifying his game to optimize what is our clear advantage in height and length over all other NBA teams.

So. LakerTom. You were saying ...

@HOBBITMAGE ... What you consider to be proof is nothing more than a bunch of quotes most of which don’t even address the specifics of what you are supposedly proving, which is that the Lakers failed to three-peat because they tried to feed their big men rather than letting Kobe dominate the offense. When you understand that these discussions are all subjective and not subject to being proven by a bunch of supposedly relevant quotes sometimes taken out of context, then we would be able to have an intelligent conversation. As it stands, that has now become obviously impossible.

@LTLF ... With due respect, “Ballhogs win championships” needs to be modified to be “Ballhogs that learn to play team basketball and make their teammates better (that’s for you, hobbitmage) win championships.” That’s what separated MJ and Kobe from the never-saw-a-shot-I-didn’t-like crew of hundreds of talented great scorers who never understood what it takes to win a championship.


umm ... excuse me.

the tread of the conversation was:

you also wrote: When bloggers tout team basketball, you somehow manage to twist that around to being an insult or affront to Kobe. Your lack of respect for other players on the team is legendary. As far as you’re concerned, there’s not another player on the team who deserves a shot. You would rather that Kobe took every shot in the game. Well, wake up. That for sure is not how to win a championship.

my response: This is where the revisionist history starts. *I said* go back
and check the archives. Whenever people talk about *TEAM* basketball
it is always linked to Kobe's # of shots. Per what people have written here.
Does that mean that people can *not* talk about *TEAM* basketball w/o
it being about Kobe & the # of shots? No. However, if you look at the
historical record of what's written on this blog that simply isn't the way it's
been. I've listed a number of trolls & bloggers for you to check to see if I'm
being factually correct. You won't because you're lazy, but that doesn't stop
what I'm saying from being factually & historically true. Feel free to prove me
wrong and I'll be happy to recant.

Ok. So, have you actually gone back and read what NorCal & Island Priest
and others have said about TEAM basketball and how that relates to Kobe?
That was the original thread/point.

I asked you some point blank questions about: Did you want Kobe to
pass the ball more to D-Fish, Pau Gasol & Ron Artest?

Why didn't you answer those questions?

re: disrespecting *TEAM* basketball. I told you to stop doing drugs. I
*specifically* pointed out that *TEAM* basketball, as referred to on this blog,
tends to say: Kobe should shoot less and pass the ball more. Furthermore,
I have said, that those pundits *NEVER* actually talk about the shooting
tendencies of the people Kobe was supposed to pass the ball to.

I ask again: Did you want Ron Artest, D-Fish, Pau Gasol, Steve Blake &
Matt Barnes to shoot the ball more? Specifically in light of their horrid
performance this year.

you wrote: The last thing this team needs right now is a prima donna player who won’t even acknowledge having talked to his new head coach and proclaims himself to eat first and others to get the leftover crumbs.

my response: Aren't you the guy who said that Smush Parker was the
Laker's future?

Didn't you also say that Bynum going to the World Cup, instead of getting
surgery, wouldn't be a problem?

Didn't you also say that it was better for Bynum to go on vacation instead of
training with Kareem?

Didn't you also question Gary Vitti's medical skill because he's not a certified

Is your statement that the man with 5 championships, 1 MVP, 2 finals MVP,
1 Olympic Gold Medal, 4 all-star MVP's, multiple all-nba awards and multiple
all-nba-defensive awards knows less about basketball and what it takes to
win at the NBA level than some guy in northern california who never played
professional basketball?

this was written: @LTLF ... With due respect, “Ballhogs win championships” needs to be modified to be “Ballhogs that learn to play team basketball and make their teammates better (that’s for you, hobbitmage) win championships.”

MJ 15-35 w/ 1 assist.

Man that is some great TEAM basketball right there!

talkin' about MJ making his teammates better.

in that box score I just printed ...

SCOTTIE PIPPEN rocked the house w/ 4-7 shooting. I guess MJ really made
a difference to him that day.

How about Steve Kerr obliterating the Jazz with an unworldly 0-0 in 24 minutes
of play? I tell ya. MJ was phenomenal at making his teammates better.

And what he did for Luc Longley was almost as good with an impressive 0-1.

Ha, Ha, what an Oxymoron--LeCrybaby stating the obvious!

He is not better than anyone!!

@HOBBITMAGE... I don’t have any more time to waste on silly debates. This is the last post on this subject to you. In response to your obviously leading questions, here are my answers:
(Q) you want Kobe to pass the ball more to D-Fish, Pau Gasol & Ron Artest?
(A) If they were open and were either hitting their shots or had an advantageous matchup, yes. You either trust or do not trust your teammates. That’s what team basketball is all about. You WANT your teammates to succeed because you know 1 man cannot win a game by himself. It takes a team.
(Q) Aren't you the guy who said that Smush Parker was the Laker's (sic) future?
(A) No, I was the guy who wanted to replace him with Jordan Farmar. I always hated Smush Parker. I may have rooted for him because I do that for every player who dons purple and gold but I never liked Smush and always considered he and Kwame to be players we would be better off without.
(Q) Didn't you also say that Bynum going to the World Cup, instead of getting surgery, wouldn't be a problem?
(A) What I said was Drew requested and was granted permission by the team to go so I was fine with it. I also do not accept that playing a couple of minutes more per game early in the season is why Pau Gasol disappeared late in the season and in the playoffs. More of your rehashing of dead horses.
(Q) Didn't you also say that it was better for Bynum to go on vacation instead of training with Kareem?
(A) No, I never said that. What I did say was after many years of working with Kareem, I could understand why the team and Drew decided that the intense tutoring was no longer needed because the returns were diminishing. Your insinuation that Drew did not appreciate or learn from Kareem is nothing more than your personal opinion. Drew and Kareem have never said anything negative or unflattering about each other. In fact, Kareem’s comments about Drew are highly complementary.
(Q) Didn't you also question Gary Vitti's medical skill because he's not a certified doctor?
(A) What I said about Vitti was that he was not a doctor and that I would rather count on the opinion of the medical professionals who felt that Drew’s knee problems or physical structure was not a worry to prevent the Lakers from drafting or extending Drew’s contract. Again, what are you trying to prove here other than questioning my honesty and trustworthiness?
(Q) Is your statement that the man with 5 championships, 1 MVP, 2 finals MVP, 1 Olympic Gold Medal, 4 all-star MVP's, multiple all-nba awards and multiple all-nba-defensive awards knows less about basketball and what it takes to win at the NBA level than some guy in northern california who never played professional basketball?
(A) No, my statement is that one who has never played the game, has little understanding of what it takes to create team chemistry on the court, and has admitted that he doesn’t think like most people knows less about what it takes to win at the NBA level than one who has played, officiated, coached, watched, and analyzed countless games for years.

"I hope Kobe understands that playing team basketball is how to win championships. I hope he recants his stupid comments about pecking orders and instead dedicates himself to playing team ball and getting the ball to the player who is hot or has the best matchup advantage instead of breaking the offense to play 1-on-2 or 1-0n-3 while the rest of the team stands around. I hope Kobe dedicates himself to playing defense this year rather than just freelancing and looking for gravy steals." -LakerTom

I agree on these points 100%. Great post. I would LOVE to have Ellis on our team, but I think that the Warriors would ask for much more than Lamar and Blake. It would probably have to be Pau with another one of their players coming here.
As for my take on the "Kobe comment on Brown" issue, see below.

"Personally, I don't care what Kobe thinks about his coach or that he hasn't addressed the media. The vast majority of these players are better off being seen playing on the court than being heard. If you enjoy listening to Ron Artest..." - :(

I could not agree more. This non-issue is being blown waaaaaaay out of proportion. Everyone just needs to chill the heck out and let Kobe have his time off.

"Actually it looks like they've been sharing a shmoke and a pancake... and I don't mean a cigarette and a flapjack, or a cigar and a waffle, or a pipe and a crepe." LTLF

BAHAHAHAAAAA! It really does look that way. This picture gets filed under the category "Extremely strange shot that shows that the end is nigh."

"- the outside shooters can hit open shots when the inside player is double teamed." -hobbitmage

This is all that needs to be said about why our "inside out basketball" did not work this past season. Well, that and the complete collapse of Pau.

As for the backlash against LeChoke. He deserves EVERY SINGLE WORD typed and said aloud. This guys is the most classless and ignorant player to ever play on the hardwood.

forgot to add in my first selection of the day:

I absolutely 100% agree with hobbitmage on this point:

Lakers coaching staff totally SUCKED big time against the Mavs.

Phil Jackson and his staff did a PISS POOR job of preparing the team to start the serie. And it's not until the 4th game when they faced elimination that I saw Phil started going outside of his norm with calling early time-out, experimenting with different lineup, different substitution patterns, etc... which by then was too little too late.

All season long Phil Jackson was already CHECKED OUT and was sleepwalking all the way through the PO. That was affirmed by the fact that he was SO GLAD the Lakers lost and he got to start his retirement early.


Kobe shot over 20 times a game against the Mavericks. It wasn't an issue of Kobe deferring too much. Among other team problems, Kobe was not able to get the basket and was not able to draw in defenses. I don't know if it was Dallas' defense, Kobe's injuries, or a combination of both, but if Kobe is going to be purely a jumpshooter like he was in the Dallas series, they cannot run the ball through him and be successful.

To successfully run the ball through Kobe, he has to be able to drive to the basket to get easy shots and to draw in the defense so that even if he misses, a teammate will be in good position for a rebound. If his body limits him to doing nothing other than shooting over the zone, the offense is going to stagnate.


>>>With due respect, “Ballhogs win championships” needs to be modified to be
>>>“Ballhogs that learn to play team basketbal

no, it isn't necessarily that. I think Hobbitmage's references to the Michael Jordan game where he scored 45 points and they won is one counter example of your "team basketball" argument. There doesn't have to be balanced scoring for a team to win. Your team has to score more than the other team - that's it.

But I will alter it in this way...

"Ballhogs who are the best player on their team and one of the best in the league win championships."

So if Nate Robinson is a ballhog with the Knicks, that doesn't get you rings.

But a Kobe or a Jordan or a Dirk who takes 25+ shots a game is doing more to help the team by shooting than by passing.

Magic was an exception - he was one of the finest passers in the history of the game, and just a so-so shooter compared to Worthy and Jabbar.

But if you are a top 5 player in the league and your best asset is scoring, then you should be shooting like there's no tomorrow in the playoffs.

Recent? Bad Meets Evil came out like 10 years ago..



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