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Lakers Q&A: Joe Bryant comments on the Mike Brown hiring, believes Kobe Bryant will last 3-5 more seasons

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Lakers guard Kobe Bryant has maintained his silence about Mike Brown becoming the team's head coach. So I figured I'd stop by Sparks practice Friday afternoon to visit Kobe's father, Joe, who's serving as the team's assistant coach under Jennifer Gillom, for some possible answers. Below is the transcript on that subject and a few other Lakers-related topics.

What do you think of the Brown hire?

That's a good question. I don't know. It could be Mo, Larry or Curly [of the Three Stooges]. If anybody stepped into L.A., it's going to be difficult. It's going to be difficult. Brown won 60-plus games in the East with Cleveland. I wish him a lot of success. It's going to be important that the people around him give him good advice. Those things are important too.

Do you have a sense of what Kobe thinks about it and why he hasn't commented on it?

We don't talk about basketball. Everybody is waiting for that. Everybody is wondering why Kobe isn't saying nothing. I'm not giving you any inside stuff. Good try. Good try.

How do you think he will handle it?

Kobe is a professional. Whatever is going to happen is going to happen. There's no need to make a comment on any of that stuff now. There might be a lockout.

The rest of Kobe's career obviously centers on how he will try to find a way to play through the mileage and injuries. What's your assessment on how he's been doing that?

You can't put it on age. All players have injuries, even young players have injuries. You learn to deal with pain and you learn how to understand your body. You also understand your game. When you're a student of the game, a lot of players rely on their athleticism. Once you get older and their athleticism is not there, then you don't know how to play. But Kobe knows how to play and understands the ABC's of the game. He understands the scouting report and how players are going to play and he understands his teammates. When you understand the game, it goes back to playing chess. You know how to move the pieces and you know how to move the ball.

You're not going to run as fast. You're not going to jump as high. You have to pick your moments. The great example when he picked his moment was the playoff game when he went down the middle and dunked, the one he had against [New Orleans center Emeka Okafor] in Game 5 of the first-round series. That was checkmate. He's a warrior and understands the game. All players have injuries. It's part of it and how he can manage it. He's been doing a good job with that. Nobody is going to run and jump [like] when they were 18 or 19. It's impossible for people to think that. As long as he's enjoying the game and keeps the two seven-footers [Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum], I still think he has three, four or five more years to play at a high level.

Three to five more years?

The issue is going to be when the media talks, he can't get 30 [points] anymore, but he's averaging 25 [points] and five [assists]. The expectations they'll put on him or say he can't do anymore, that's going to be the biggest challenge, dealing with it. The important thing is as long as he's enjoying the game and enjoying the challenge and still in the race to vie for a championship. That's motivation enough. If you're with a team that has no shot at making the playoffs, then mentally you're going to be down and the energy level isn't going to be up or your'e going to want to be traded. As long as he's enjoying the game and it's a challenge for him, I think he'll continue to play.

So you said one of the keys will entail Kobe having Bynum and Gasol. How does that dynamic need to work to be most effective?

Last year's playoffs against Boston, everybody was talking about Pau and how he needs to be tougher. One day I saw Pau before a game or at practice and I said, "Pau don't listen to all that. Just play tall. All of this stuff about being bruising is not your style and be more physical. That's not your style. Play tall." He looked at me and said, "Thanks." It's simple. That's why I can help a team. Sometimes assistant coaches get to hollering and screaming and sometimes I can say those things that make sense. The common sense things. That's the hard thing about being an assistant coach because you have to be on the same page with the head coach. I'm a little different. When I told Pau to play tall, it was like a bell went off.

So what ailed the Lakers last season?

They didn't have a three-point shooter If you don't make an open shot, the defense will set. That's the problem. If you can get someone who can shoot, then the floor opens up. Then Pau Gasol and Bynum and Kobe can penetrate because they're not double teamed. It's simple.

Every year that Michael Jordan played, he always had a shooter. Steve Kerr, John Paxson, B.J. Armstrong. Name all the shooters Kobe had in his career. When crack reporters are analyzing the game, that's the first thing they should look at. What helped Michael out was he would penetrate, get double teamed and then stick it out to Steve Kerr. Kobe never had that, but he's still been successful.

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Photo: Lakers All-Star guard and NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant takes in the Angels-Dodgers game on Sunday with his father, Joe Bryant, who is a former NBA player. Credit: Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times / June 21, 2009

 
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Love this. Absolutely love it. In the comments section of Eric Pincus article about Minnesota potentially trading for Pau, some TWolves fans are getting all riled up. here was the real gem:

>>>I wouldn't trade Darko for Gasol forget the others and the picks

Hey MM would you tell Joe Bryant that we did have a shooter.. its just he couldnt shoot, and when he wanted to shoot we traded him to new jersey Nets...

You want to get rid of Luke?

Here's a trade that would probably do it:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3ubksoa

Joe Bryant is 6'9", son Kobe is 6'6"
Bill Walton is 6'11", son Luke is 6'8"

Two classic examples of Francis Galton's "Regression towards mediocrity" wherein extremely tall fathers tended to have sons shorter than them.


@LTLF… LOL. That’s what you get when you want tomorrow’s news today. Thanks for catching my salary calculation error. I was also not aware of Pau’s 15% trade kicker. Anyway, I’ll leave the details to the experts like you. My main thrust throughout this charade has been that David Kahn wants Pau Gasol and in the end he will give us Kevin Love and the # 2 pick in the draft to get him. Kahn is not worried about championships. He’s worried about winning some games and putting some butts in the seats. Most of all, he’s worried about his job. He’s set Ricky Rubio as their franchise player and now that Rubio is finally coming, Kahn’s is rightfully worried he may have oversold Ricky to the franchise since he had a disappointing season in Europe averaging only 6 ppg off the bench. That’s why he wants to trade the #2 pick for a veteran big man. That’s why he dropped Pau Gasol’s name as an example. Kevin Love is going to leave Minny the first chance he gets and he already has drawn some fire from Kahn for his comments about Rubio. Finally, Kahn has absolutely no problem pulling the trigger on deals as he has probably made more moves the last few years than any GM.
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TOM

Did I read this correctly? Is Joe Bryant taking credit for Pau's performance in the 2010 playoffs? "Play tall." Genius.

Tom, if anything resembling your proposed Minnesota deal is possible, the Lakers have to make it happen. With Bynum's development (or, in the event we ever saw a Howard for Bynum trade, with Dwight's offense) combined with Kobe, I think the need for Pau's offense starts to reduce. I don't think the Lakers can make a serious title run without Pau unless they get either a stud PG (Williams) or a package that includes the relentless rebounder and double-double machine that is Love plus an elite rookie--but if they can swing either of these deals, they need to do it.

If they were to secure the #2 pick, who do you think they go for? I am not very familiar with the options at PG, although as an Arizona alum I am extremely aware of (and impressed by) Derrick Williams. Clearly, the Lakers are stacked (in numbers, not talent) at the SF position, but I think Williams is going to be special.

And now, I'll end the week with my Mitch's Mystical Magical Megatrade involving Pau Gasol.

He did it once. Who'd have thought he could get Pau for Kwame, Marc Gasol (but the Marc Gasol of 4 years ago, not the guy who just played great in the playoffs).

So now it's time for Mitch to work his Gasol magic again. The Lakers need an infusion of youth and speed. They also need some depth beyond Lamar Odom.

I'm going to use these way out on the edge fringe assumptions:

1. Minnesota would be willing to give up the #2 pick and Kevin Love to get Pau Gasol. Minnesota's been pining to the press for Pau. How bad do they want him?

2. ESPN reports that Cleveland is shopping some combination of Sessions & JJ Hickson, and the #4 pick to try to get experienced young players to put on the court with Kyrie Irving. It's partly about dumping Sessions because they're adding Irving. And they have pretty crappy players at C, SF, and SG. So my fringe assumption is that they'd be willing to give up the #4 to get their pick of two players other than Love or Rubio from Minnesota

3. The Lakers would be willing to give up Pau if it got them enough of an upgrade.

4. Denver would be willing to give up Ray Felton for an alternate backup PG and a

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And now Ladies and Gentlemen (and G. Money and Island Priest), I give you
Mitch's Mystical Magical Megatrade:

The Lakers send Pau and Caracter to Minnesota
The Lakers send Steve Blake to Denver

Minnesota sends Kevin Love, Anthony Tolliver and the #2 pick to the Lakers
Minnesota sends Darko Milicic and Wesley Johnson (or Martel Webster) to Cleveland
Minnesota sends Anthony Randolph to Denver

Cleveland sends Ramon Sessions and the #4 pick to the Lakers

Denver sends Ray Felton to the Lakers.

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So effectively, for Pau & Blake, the Lakers get Kevin Love, Ramon Sessions, Ray Felton, and the #2 and #4 pick in the draft.

Making next year's Laker lineup look something like this:

C: Bynum, Tolliver
PF: Odom, Love
SF: Artest, Blake, Derrick Williams, Luke
SG: Kobe, Sessions, Fisher
PG: Felton, Kemba Walker, Sessions, Fisher

A very good starting lineup of Felton-Kobe-Artest-Odom-Bynum, with an infusion of youth in backups at EVERY position, plus veterans like Luke and Fish to teach them the ways of the champion... from the end of the bench.

Mr. Bryant said: Every year that Michael Jordan played, he always had a shooter. Steve Kerr, John Paxson, B.J. Armstrong. Name all the shooters Kobe had in his career. When crack reporters are analyzing the game, that's the first thing they should look at. What helped Michael out was he would penetrate, get double teamed and then stick it out to Steve Kerr. Kobe never had that, but he's still been successful.

my response: That all sounds so familiar. It's almost like *I* said that before
someone told me that we needed a dominant 7-footer ...

Oh Well. Who knew???

Go Kobe!
Go Lakers!!!

Check this trade out guys.

We get the #2 pick from minny too.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3erqyda

Joe Bryant: "What helped Michael out was he would penetrate, get double teamed and then stick it out to Steve Kerr. Kobe never had that, but he's still been successful"

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Strangely enough, Steve Kerr also suffered a tremendous drop in his 3-pt shooting when he moved from the Bulls to the Spurs, somewhat similar to the drop in Blake's 3-pt shooting. In his first season in SAS, Kerr's regular season 3-pt shooting went from .438 (with the Bulls) to .313. His post-season 3-pt shooting drop was even worse. From .434 (with the Bulls post-season) to .267 !!! But SAS did not consider him a bust and his 3-pt shooting came back in his second and third season.

Maybe the same recovery could also happen with Blake?

hobbitmage

That's not exactly true. During Kobe's first three championships, he definitely had shooters on the wing.

Shane Battier and JR Smith are realistic Posted by: Mark Medina | June 17, 2011 at 03:45 PM

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Actually, Afflalo, Smith, Battier, Jordan, Williams, Dalembert are ALL, in the own ways, more "realistic" & surely more tangible than any N2O involving Love for Gasol. It's amazing how wishful-thinking by navel-gazers (Pincus) from afar suddenly becomes imminent, doable, fait accompli.

This is what you get (as of 6/17 8:00 pm PT) when you google "Kevin Love", "Lakers", "trade" from ANY news source in the state of Minnesota: http://bit.ly/mHxDfb

Not a peep, not a rumor, not even a whisper.

And THAT's basketball issues aside.

What issues? Too many to enumerate. But you could start with: trading a legit 7-fter for an overachiever who, on a good day, measures 6-9 WITH shoes (6-8 w/out). A bread-and-butter 4 with 3PT-range but a career FG% of 46% vs. a PLAYOFF-proven big who finishes like a big (52%) with outlet (Love's assist output is almost entirely outlet-based) AND interior passing skills.

You could also underscore PLAYOFF tested & PLAYOFF proven. Else, who IS Kevin Love in the postseason? No one knows.

But there's a clue. Two words. Carlos. Boozer. A similarly-size, similar regular season overarchiever who routinely disappears during the postseason when EVERY opponent, i.e., EVERY opposing big, puts out max effort, especially on defense.

So what, really, are you getting for Pau Gasol -- even if it included a point guard of dubious (2-way) value? A shorter Odom and either a poor man's Nash (Ridnour) or younger Earl Watson.

A shorter Odom and either a poor man's Nash (Ridnour) or younger Earl Watson (Flynn).

That's not exactly true. During Kobe's first three championships, he definitely had shooters on the wing.

Posted by: Brenbags | June 17, 2011 at 08:24 PM
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Brenbags, we are talking here about accomplished shooters. Shooters who do not forget how to shoot when the game is on the line. Who do you think Kobe had? I would like to know.

Go Lakers!
Go Kobe!

MM
Do me a favor; don't insult my intelligence by bringing out the LA Times blog legalese to justify deleting posts. It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that you favor a certain someone. You can deny it all you want but the evidence is clear and blatant. To go to this individual's blog to personally confirm deletions of his/her rants and the responses that ensued, is evidence enough.
This unnamed blogger came to this blog looking for a fight and found one, all the while bragging on other sites what he/she was doing. Only this time, many regulars called out the unnamed blogger’s autocratic behavior.
One blogger, who has only been blogging here a couple of months assumed that this was some new blogger and queried why this person thought he/she "ran this blog". This was part of a deleted posts but telling indeed. Why would this post be deleted anyway? Didn't our new family member have a right to ask this? It was one of many posts that incriminated your friends’ probity and motives.
The standards of comportment the Times have set forth are to insure fairness and equitability for everyone. Personal feelings should not be a determining factor in deleting posts, and if you want to argue your objectivity, there are many examples of where you fail to delete posts under identical circumstances.

This will be the last time I bring this particular subject up, it's getting real old on both sides and you're not going to change, but don't assume you're fooling anybody.

I guess I could have saved myself a lot of time and thought by just reposting this from the PSP....

....Oh well, like Napoleon of Animal Farm fame said, "All animals are equal but some are more equal than others"

One thing I can guarantee if the Lakers make a big trade

LTLF will have had it covered somewhere in his 1000+ trade scenarios.

My head can't stop spinning from all the combinations. lol

Joe Bryant makes a lot of sense.

A few points...

1. Kobe Bryant is the first tier of Greatest Lakers of All Time. He needs to be treated as such by management.

2. This next year's Championship is about two things: Kobe Bryant being Kobe Bryant at his Greatest (meaning also "player coach") and Mitch Kupchack being the best GM ever.

3. Mitch really screwed up this year. Not a single good move. Maybe Matt Barnes if he was healthy.

4. Kobe will play for five more years. They better all be as a Laker.

5. Andrew Bynum better step up. He's the X factor now.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

@Jon K.

Very good points I agree 100%!

Just to elaborate on Mitch last season, and the seasons before. He has been successful trading for high caliber players, not to be mistaken with trading them away and getting equal or same value in return. Second thing, he was able to build a team around Kobe and the confines of the triangle. His first test after a back to back, was keeping the streak going, so far he's 0-1 on threepeats. Now that is not such a bad record actually, considering we had the most highly regarded coach in one Phil Jackson, Kobe Bean Bryant, and that there were ill-conceived "intra-locker-room" issues that IMO were caused by a lack of team chemistry from the outset, and that weren't fixed - were left un-attended (talentwise, personalities) that perpetuated forever until it finally hit us at the worst possible time. He could have judged those issues and addressed them mid-season when the team was in shambles and all signs pointed to the former. Unfortunately I don't think moving a guy here and there mid-season would have helped anyway, there were too many factors besides last season's trades, like that Steve Blake all of a sudden became a mirage of himself and too scared to shoot the basketball, too many losing streaks, animosity between different guys or their wives, relationships, taking their win against the Celtic's game 7 for absolute granted (season hangover), side-projects (reality shows although I'm not sure it had much to do with Gasol being half as productive during the playoffs) and that they already had amassed an extra season of playoffs that you can't just blame Mitch.

One time it's a fluke, the second time with similar problems it's a pattern, but we are not there yet.

Shane Battier and JR Smith are realistic Posted by: Mark Medina | June 17, 2011 at 03:45 PM

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Actually, Afflalo, Smith, Battier, Jordan, Williams, Dalembert are ALL, in the own ways, more "realistic" & surely more tangible than any N2O involving Love for Gasol. It's amazing how wishful-thinking by navel-gazers (Pincus) from afar suddenly becomes imminent, doable, fait accompli.

Posted by: latopia | June 17, 2011 at 08:39 PM
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Those are all cats I regard highly that have varying amounts of speed, tenacity, overall hustle. I am pretty sure Mitch has noticed that Memphis and Goldenstate have decent shooters that would help immensely and would bring a lot into the table.

As far as trading for K-Love while I am not overly in "love" with this trade, and I have been able to think it over it's not a bad deal at all, and he's a formidable shorter version of Dirk Nowitzki, he would be ideal to run the type of offense that Mike would be asking for. One of my beefs is also, he lack of success vs our two bigs and his overall record. How would he fare mentally with this team? He played here, and knows the local media and he's not shy of the camera as evident by his commercials, and All-Star promo video, so who knows. Another question for me, is how will the trade be possible unless a third team was involved? Kyrie Irving will be going first IMO, and Ricky Rubio will be a focal point of their offense. They have a lot of pieces to give. A lot of "spare" parts.

There are more polished veterans out there and more saavy FA's that could be had if you just look around a bit. Moving Fisher to the bench will solve a bunch of athleticism issues but you still need to take into consideration the chemistry issues that plagued this team which just IMO, add more realistic speculation about other more known FA-to be's and perennial all-stars. If the pieces don't fit and players don't like each other, then you probably need to end the beef there and start over, which might make a KLove trade more bearable to the majority of Laker fans.

Trollman

Last time here too BUT the PSP just need to confirm that I heard what I think I heard you say: MM actually went to the RC to tell that he had deleted the messages?? Bwahaha, that is funny and sad at the same time if true. How can a man running latimes blog be going elsewhere to post and pretty much "trash" his own blog?

Anyway on to the trades:

Let it be on record that the PSP is against trading Pau Gasol. Even if we can get Howard, it would be better to trade Bynum not Pau; there will be potentially better synergy between Dwight and Pau not Bynum.

What we really need is a decent PG (maybe Blake will get his groove back),
a decent backup big in case either Bynum or Pau go down for some time next season, and for Luke Walton to be demoted to towel boy thus giving Ebanks the chance to develop.

Thanks
PSP Intern

The Lakers need a consistent 3-point threat. Not saying Blake, Brown, and Barnes can't knock down shots, but they're inconsistent. Given now the younger teams are becoming great defensive teams, staying down and contesting inside shots. Bulls, Heat, Mavs, Celtics contest less on 3-pointers with their set defense. So, the 3-point threat is considerable. Gasol will get pass the tough times, Bynum will learn to keep his mouth tight, and Kobe will recover this summer. The point guard isn't a problem, Kobe can do that now.

Stefanie Marbury wants to take his talents from China to LA.
She said to caress, inhale, and worship Kobe's jock straps will be a blessing.

BTW, did Li'l Floydie Mayweather Jr find his manhood yet to fight Manny Pacquiao? Or does 50 Centavos got a hold of them - hahahaha

Brenbags,

you wrote: That's not exactly true. During Kobe's first three championships, he definitely had shooters on the wing.

Posted by: Brenbags | June 17, 2011 at 08:24 PM

my response: Kobe *WAS* the shooter during the first 3 championships.
Mr. Bryant's original discussion was about inside-outside basketball.

So. Who was working the inside during the first 3 titles? That would be the
"Fatman".

Now, some of you may think that I'm wrong and it might be so, therefore
you should help me out.

Shaq was the starting C and the most dominant C in the NBA. Therefore, if
we play inside out and we don't ignore Shaq .....

The ball goes inside to Shaq and he kicks it back out to whom?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

Making next year's Laker lineup look something like this:

C: Bynum, Tolliver
PF: Odom, Love
SF: Artest, Blake, Derrick Williams, Luke
SG: Kobe, Sessions, Fisher
PG: Felton, Kemba Walker, Sessions, Fisher

A very good starting lineup of Felton-Kobe-Artest-Odom-Bynum, with an infusion of youth in backups at EVERY position, plus veterans like Luke and Fish to teach them the ways of the champion... from the end of the bench.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | June 17, 2011 at 06:02 PM

Dude...If you can make this happen, you're EXECUTIVE of the year. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

@Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | June 17, 2011 at 06:02 PM


ROFLMAO! MN giving up 5 players, including Love! LOL Nice try, but only with a gun to his head for the MN GM.

I like it if you know someone in the mob who can get it done though.

My biggest fear is the Lakers FO will be slow on the draw to go after some of the potential players being floated out there, just like last season's crop at trade deadline, and then a bunch of bought out waivered types who would have helped and did on other teams, but we were too slow to sign them.

Dude...Mike Brown maybe over his head with what's developed within the locker room this past season. Drew and Kobe's situation will divide the team next season, one wants more power and the other don't want to let go. Regardless of the offense Brown tries to run it'll will never satisfy both players, it's not always about winning it's how you win. I truly believed the Lakers could have won more games, but this one particular player has to call the shots and believe me he wants the headlines.

Kobe will butt heads with Brown continually through out next season if things doesn't go his way, you can count on it. A player like Kobe feels a sense of entitlement, MY TEAM, MY WAY pissed off that he wasn't contacted before hiring this coach. Everyone knows why he's not talking, what were stupid now.
Kobe constantly tries to insult people's intelligent with his childish BULL $HIT. Until the issues with Kobe and Drew are resolved this team will IMPLODE, poor mike is over his head with this ONE. The Kobe LOVERS and management will bend over and KISS his SORRY @zz. The best thing they can do is TRADE him as soon as he go into my team mode to the coaching staff.

G.Money

Shouldn't you be praising the Miami Heat? :-) Or your new act has become bashing Kobe?

Thanks
PSP Intern

>>>One thing I can guarantee if the Lakers make a big trade
>>>LTLF will have had it covered somewhere in his 1000+ trade scenarios.
>>>My head can't stop spinning from all the combinations. lol


LOL. Hey! It's only June. I'm just getting started. :-)

>>>Dude...If you can make this happen, you're EXECUTIVE of the year.
>>>NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

Well, DUHHHHHH.

But let me ask you this... If I had said that Mitch was going to trade Kwame Brown and some scraps for Pau Gasol before it actually happened...

wouldn't you have made the same response?

MM...Dude I for one truly believed that your report card is a D+ and falling as a moderator. Management may need to bring in a new pitcher for the betterment of the blog, I think many of your supporters are on another blog. Just one man's opinion, a moderator shouldn't go around kissing some posters.... well you know what I sayin.

For all those wanting Pau to play more physical...listen to Joe "Jellybean" Bryant...

"Pau don't listen to all that. Just play tall. All of this stuff about being bruising is not your style and be more physical. That's not your style."


@LT - Thanks for the heads up. At home when I use google all that other stuff doesn't show up.

psp....Dude I don't have problem calling it like it is, do you?

>>>ROFLMAO! MN giving up 5 players, including Love! LOL Nice try, but
>>>only with a gun to his head for the MN GM.

Again... Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol?

But yeah, I agree. It ain't gonna happen.

The ironic thing is, even if you got all 3 other teams to agree and showed Mitch the haul he could get for Pau, he still might keep Pau. Because even with all that other stuff going on, you're still giving up the best player in the trade.

>>>Kobe LOVERS and management will bend over and KISS his SORRY @zz.
>>> The best thing they can do is TRADE him as soon as he go into my team
>>> mode to the coaching staff.

You know G.Money, you're right - they should trade Kobe. And I kinda feel sorry for a couple of your boys having to play with a stiff like LeBronze. So I think they should offer this trade:

Kobe and Luke Walton for Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.

The only flaw with the trade is it might get LeBron a ring sooner rather than later.

G Money

Not at all, which is why the PSP is calling it just like it is; or would you like me to refresh your memory with some of your very own comments from the archive?

LTLF

To be honest, when the PSP heard that Kwame was traded for Pau Gasol I nearly passed out (most reports were touting Kwaminus as the main piece from LA at that point). In retrospect, looks like Gasol junior was the diamond in the rough that Memphis has eventually found.

Thanks
PSP Intern

LTLF- dude... what happen to LBJ in the finals, I have no ideal. He was usstoppable against the C's and Bulls, maybe his shoulder was worst then he let on. But injuries are part of the game, no excuses PLEASE.

>>>To be honest, when the PSP heard that Kwame was traded for Pau Gasol
>>>I nearly passed out

Me too. And that was the basis of my Pau to Minnesota spectacular trade.

The premise was that Mitch would turn another over-the-top trade involving Pau that would set up the Lakers for the next 3 finals and a couple of titles.

But note that even though the Lakers would be getting a ton of depth and lots of slightly lesser talent out of the deal (face it - at best Anthony Tolliver could be like Brian Cardinal was for Dallas), it also does this:

Minnesota with Pau + Rubio + something like Beasley, Ridnour, Webster, Pekovic, Ellington, and Flynn is closer to a playoff team than they were last season. And they'd still have cap space to go after another player or two in free agency.

Cleveland's core of Kyrie Irving (assuming he is all-that), Davis, Varejao, Johnson, and Milicic is a step further along the rebuilding path. With Jamison expiring after next season, and if they could trade off Baron Davis, they could accelerate the rebuild even more.

Denver gets a backup PG and a big. Anthony Randolph has always shown flashes of brilliance but no consistency. He's an upgrade over Melvyn Ely.

So it's not like the other teams got completely ripped off or anything. They all did conceivably improve with the trade. The biggest question mark to me is Felton for Blake and Randolph. - might have to throw in a future first round pick or something to sweeten that.

>>>what happen to LBJ in the finals, I have no ideal.


It's happened to lots of stars in the finals. Big time pressure.

Shaq didn't completely dominate his first finals. Nor did Kobe.

Some very special people like Magic shine right from the start. Others kinda tighten up in the finals and underperform. If he gets back there enough times, he'll get it straightened out.

LTLF- This dude been to the finals TWICE, just maybe he'll never figure it out but I think he will.

PSP- no need to go to the archives, I stand by what I've said.

G. Money,

You're back. I've got some questions for you ...

you wrote: Dude...Mike Brown maybe over his head with what's developed within the locker room this past season. Drew and Kobe's situation will divide the team next season, one wants more power and the other don't want to let go. Regardless of the offense Brown tries to run it'll will never satisfy both players, it's not always about winning it's how you win. I truly believed the Lakers could have won more games, but this one particular player has to call the shots and believe me he wants the headlines.

Kobe will butt heads with Brown continually through out next season if things doesn't go his way, you can count on it. A player like Kobe feels a sense of entitlement, MY TEAM, MY WAY pissed off that he wasn't contacted before hiring this coach. Everyone knows why he's not talking, what were stupid now.
Kobe constantly tries to insult people's intelligent with his childish BULL $HIT. Until the issues with Kobe and Drew are resolved this team will IMPLODE, poor mike is over his head with this ONE. The Kobe LOVERS and management will bend over and KISS his SORRY @zz. The best thing they can do is TRADE him as soon as he go into my team mode to the coaching staff.

my response/questions:

1. What's the stated goal of professional teams in the NBA? To win a
championship, right?

2. With Kobe, the Lakers have been to 7 finals in ~ 11 years and won 5. Can
you name 3 other players that have done something similar? Let me help
you out. Bill Russell, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson. Does that sound
about right?

3. Which of those above players didn't actually dictate how their team played?

4. Would you not agree that according to accolades awarded & championships
won, that Kobe is the best judge of basketball skill/talent/play of all the
players that the Lakers actually have?

5. Can you name any good teams that the Lakers have beaten when Bynum
was the focal point of the offense? By good teams, I mean playoff teams
that had a solid center who played close to the rim.

6. Can you explain how to beat the Lakers from an opposing team's perspective
w/ Bynum becoming more of a focus?


All right, here's my take on it and many people should feel free to correct
my basketball understanding.

The Lakers starting lineup, at the end of last season, was: Fisher, Bryant,
Artest, Gasol & Bynum.

This is what I do as an opposing coach:

1. Get the ball out of Bryant's hands.
2. Knock Gasol out of position.

[ note: you've just accounted for 60-75% of the Lakers offense. ]

3. Put a mobile rebounding center on Bynum.

4. Force the ball into Ron Artest's hands.

W/ those 4 things, I'll win 85% of all games against the Lakers. I'd say 95%,
but I'm feeling humble. :)

Your argument is flawed & stupid because you're not paying attention to the
personnel that the Lakers have and how they play.

Your only argument for Kobe's statement is that you want Bynum to get the
ball more and your just not saying it. Either that or your not watching the
games and it's a principle thing for you.

Knowledge is power.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/artesro01.html

Ron Artest averaged 8.5 points and his FG% was under 40%. His 3-pt % was
also under 40%. .397 & .36 to be precise.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fishede01.html

D-Fish averaged 6.8 pts and his FG% was just like Artest at: .389 & .396.


Ok. Are we clear? The ball should NOT be going more to Fisher & Artest.

That leaves 3 players: Bynum, Gasol & Bryant.

I'll ask you again:

4. Would you not agree that according to accolades awarded & championships
won, that Kobe is the best judge of basketball skill/talent/play of all the
players that the Lakers actually have?


5. Can you name any good teams that the Lakers have beaten when Bynum
was the focal point of the offense? By good teams, I mean playoff teams
that had a solid center who played close to the rim.


As best I can tell, your argument is this:

1. You don't like Kobe.
2. You're indifferent or don't like Gasol.
3. You love Bynum.
4. You want Bynum to fulfill all the fantasies you have for him.

Here's *my* opinion of why making Bynum the focal point of the offense is
flawed.

1. He doesn't have the experience for it.
- He didn't play college ball.
- He's never been a captain on a championship team.
- He hasn't focused on his play making abilities.
2. He doesn't play either offense or defense well enough.
3. He's the slowest player out there.
4. He's never been an all-star which is a good gauge of skill. No, it's not
perfect. However all all-stars *are* good players.

You were talkin' a whole lotta crap about how LBJ was better at TEAM
basketball. Yet he got smacked by the Mavs. He disappeard in the 4th.
That's your definition of *TEAM* basketball? Pass ot other people? Don't
take it upon your shoulder to win? That's your idea of a good captain?
Dude! You suck! Your horrible at understanding what it takes to win.

I said it before and I'll say it again. Championships are WON not given.
Every team is different. You have to play the particular strengths and hide
the weaknesses of all players *while* winning games.

By making Bynum the focal point, you're going to highlight the following
facts:

1. He's slow footed.
2. He's not a great rebounder.
3. He's not a great playmaker.

Can he become a great rebounder? Probably.
Can he become a great play maker? Maybe.

If he's concentrating on scoring more points, how is he going to do
either of those? I'm not sure. This is what I do know: Great Centers
are known for a couple of things: Rebounding, Defense, athletic ability,
offensive dominance.

What we have seen of Bynum is that he's *NOT* focusing on rebounding or
defense. His athletic ability has been compromised by two knee injuries and
a big 'ol honkin' brace.

If you make Bynum the focus of the offense, the Lakers won't reach the
NBA finals.

I'm not talking about some trite cliche that was being spouted at the
beginning of the 2010-2011 season. I'm talking about the specifics of this
team and how it's currently constructed.

So, tell me. Where am I wrong?

So, tell me. Where am I wrong?

Kobe has had a few of those good 3 point shooters off of his double team, especially in the playoffs.

of course Fisher but also hitting big 3's off of double teams were Ariza, Sasha, Farmarr, Artest, and Shannon Brown. And from '99-'04 they had Shaw, Horry, and Fox

Unfortunately, no one did it this year and it's always what have you done for me lately.

BWAHAHAHA!!!

Well at least one thing's clear - we all now know who the LURKER is over on the RC !!

C'mon Troll Man - sign on next time. We can chat and make peace and be friends. You KNOW you want to!


TRADES I LIKE !!!
(Not necessarily in any order)
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(1) PAU GASOL FOR KEVIN LOVE, THE #2 PICK, ET AL. Wouldn’t it be ironic if Mitch pulled off another great Pau Gasol trade. Lakers get younger, tougher, and deeper and solve their problem at point guard. Kahn considers Rubio their franchise player and needs him and the Wolves to start winning next year to save his job. That’s why he will make the Lakers an offer they cannot refuse. The bigger question is whom the Lakers would select with the #2 pick. There must have been a reason that Mitch Kupchak remarked that the Lakers would like to have a top five selection. The pieces all fit.
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(2) PAU GASOL & STEVE BLAKE FOR CHRIS PAUL & TREVOR ARIZA. As soon as the issue of the new CBA is settled (hopefully sooner than expected as it looks like is happening in the NFL), expect the NBA’s next priority will be to find a new owner to keep the Hornets in New Orleans. Before the league can do that, they need to either get CP3 to sign an extension or trade him for another player. Frankly, there is zero chance in my opinion that Paul will want to stay in New Orleans. He knows he needs to depart if he wants to win a championship. That means the NBA will have to trade him.
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(3) PAU GASOL FOR DERON WILLIAMS. DWill has a player option after this year to become a free agent and so far he has given no indication that he wants to remain with the Nets. Gasol still has 3 years on his contract and would form a dynamic 4/5 duo with Brook Lopez. The Nets gave up two first rounders to get Williams and have basically been shut out in the free agent market. Gasol is the perfect solution to saving face and solidifying the team’s front court going forward. Honestly, I don’t think any of the 2012 Big 3 free agents will make it. They will all be traded to avoid total losses.
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(4) LAMAR ODOM FOR RAYMOND FELTON. The Lakers are not going to trade Pau Gasol unless it solves the team’s dilemma at point guard and makes them younger and faster. If none of the above deals materializes, then the Lakers will look to Lamar Odom as the piece to be moved in a trade. While intra-conference trades are not the norm, this is a trade that immediately helps both teams. The Lakers get a tough defensive oriented point guard who can shoot the 3 in Raymond Felton and the Nuggets get one of the most talented and versatile power forwards in the league. It’s a win-win. The trade would have to be followed up additional moves to replace Lamar Odom since the team would have essentially traded him to replace Derek Fisher, which was the team’s top priorty.
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(5) LAMAR ODOM FOR MONTA ELLIS. This trade is not an end all trade for the Lakers because it does not solve their problem at the point unless Kobe Bryant is willing to follow Jerry West’s footsteps and take over the point guard duties, something he hopefully can still do despite all the finger injuries that obviously affected his ball handling and turnovers last year. What the trade does do is give the Lakers another superstar backcourt scorer who can get his own shot and make life easier on Kobe, who could focus more on defense and playmaking. A Bryant/Ellis would guarantee the Lakers an advantage in the backcourt every game similar to the one they had in the front court. The Lakers focus would then be to find a replacement for Odom now that they had found one for Fisher.
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TOM

As long as he's enjoying the game and keeps the two seven-footers [Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum], I still think he has three, four or five more years to play at a high level.

So what ailed the Lakers last season?

They didn't have a three-point shooter If you don't make an open shot, the defense will set. That's the problem. If you can get someone who can shoot, then the floor opens up. Then Pau Gasol and Bynum and Kobe can penetrate because they're not double teamed. It's simple.

Joe Bryant

Aloha

Jelly Bean hit it the nail right on the head. It doesn't matter if you are a Kobe fan and believe the offense should continue to run through him or if you are a fan of the bigs and think we should go inside more. Without shooters spacing the floor, nothing will work. Bring in D Howard? Won't work without shooters.

I still maintain if we had just shot our mediocre percentage from the season instead of the putrid 22% from downtown we would have won that series. With shooters hitting a few shots Kobe would have come up bigger. With shooters Pau and Andrew would have had space to operate and would have been more effective as well. Kidd and Marion just floated, triple teaming whoever had the ball inside.

In basketball on the pro level there isn't much you can do if the floor isn't spaced.

MH

So effectively, for Pau & Blake, the Lakers get Kevin Love, Ramon Sessions, Ray Felton, and the #2 and #4 pick in the draft.

Making next year's Laker lineup look something like this:

C: Bynum, Tolliver
PF: Odom, Love
SF: Artest, Blake, Derrick Williams, Luke
SG: Kobe, Sessions, Fisher
PG: Felton, Kemba Walker, Sessions, Fisher

A very good starting lineup of Felton-Kobe-Artest-Odom-Bynum, with an infusion of youth in backups at EVERY position, plus veterans like Luke and Fish to teach them the ways of the champion... from the end of the bench.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | June 17, 2011 at 06:02 PM
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What happened to Ebanks in this trade???

Making next year's Laker lineup look something like this:

C: Bynum, Tolliver
PF: Odom, Love
SF: Artest, Blake, Derrick Williams, Luke
SG: Kobe, Sessions, Fisher
PG: Felton, Kemba Walker, Sessions, Fisher

A very good starting lineup of Felton-Kobe-Artest-Odom-Bynum, with an infusion of youth in backups at EVERY position, plus veterans like Luke and Fish to teach them the ways of the champion... from the end of the bench.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | June 17, 2011 at 06:02 PM

Dude...If you can make this happen, you're EXECUTIVE of the year. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

Posted by: G.Money | June 18, 2011 at 06:57 AM

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What no Ebanks on team and Blake traded away and playing SF. I think you meant Barnes. LOL

hobbitmage- Dude...what up with you? I made a statement and you felt it was your duty to respond to it. But what the HELL is all this INSULTING BULL $HIT you're directing at my opinion.

Your argument is flawed & stupid because you're not paying attention to the
personnel that the Lakers have and how they play.
Dude! You suck! Your horrible at understanding what it takes to win.

Look dude, I going to mention this once to you, don't come at me like your opinion and argument is the gospel it's your opinion. If you can't respond with respect don't respond at all...my man.

JLF,

>>>What happened to Ebanks in this trade???

My mistake. Add him on to the SF or SG list. Or he could go to Minnesota to try to balance out the sheer number of players lost or to Denver to increase the value received for Felton. Derrick Williams has a much bigger upside than Ebanks, so any minutes the young players are going to get, you want going to the best players possible.

In a slightly less ridiculous version of the trade, Minnesota keeps their #2 pick, in which case the Lakers keep Ebanks - not as good as Williams, but from what I've seen Ebanks has Ariza level potential. #4 pick would still get the Lakers one of the big name PG draftees.

And yep, you're right - Barnes should be in the SF list, not Blake

OTOH, if Williams is coming and you want to open up minutes for him, then maybe Barnes goes out and someone else comes back (JJ Hickson?) as well in the deal.

MM's free agent review is very helpful in seeing who is out there that may actually be a Laker next year.


And the trade scenarios are fascinating for learning where the minds of Lakers Nation are this offseason. Real blockbuster trades involving all-star caliber players are both rare and random. You can't just decide you want to make one and go out and do it. They almost never happen, and when they do they are usually just as unpredictable as the Gasol deal was.


It seems that some Laker fans have given up on Gasol, but still believe another GM would give up an all-star, a top 5 pick and other pieces in exchange for a guy they think has no heart. Very funny.


I doubt the Lakers have given up on Gasol. But other teams may think he is available. In which case they will float low ball offers. He's a great player, but not a franchise guy. So you can't trade YOUR franchise guy for Gasol. You try to steal him after a soft postseason.


Realistically - the core will return and some of these free agents will be added as reinforcements. I mean, if somebody offers Deron Williams for Fisher, Walton and a bag of practice balls (it works on the trade machine, depending on how many balls you offer), Mitch will do the deal. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

TWEET FROM MARK HEISLER:
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PEACE IN LAKES’ TIME. Despite Kobe’s ominous silence, Mike Brown won him over-Last seen on court in El Segundo going through plays together.
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TOM


@MICHAEL H… Aloha. I think there is a consensus building on the blog and in the media that what the these last playoffs showed is that 3-point shooting has become a more important a component to winning than ever before. Used to be you lived and died by the 3-point shot but Dallas just put that cliché to rest by flooding the perimeter with dead eye shooters. The Mavs had 5 of the top 11 3-point shot makers in the playoffs, including #1 Jason Kidd and #2 Jason Terry. That’s big time fire power.

It’s overly simplistic to blame the Lakers loss on the lack of 3-point shooting. And it wasn’t entirely that the front office let the wrong guys go or brought in the wrong guys. The problem was that they guys we had, many of whom had won 2 titles, did not hit their shots like they did during the last two championship seasons. The problem was that our three returning veteran starters couldn’t connect. Laws of averages catching up? Games and minutes taking their toll. Better defense by opponents?

They all probably come into play but I still contend that the loss of chemistry and synergy caused primarily by Pau Gasol’s wilting under pressure is what led to the team’s horrendous play and their woeful 3-point shooting. I’ve been on team’s with great chemistry and when you’re in the groove, every shot is easier and the rim is three feet wide for everybody. But like the human body, a team is still only as strong as its weakest link and suddenly trust is displaced by worry and confidence by doubt and the rim gets smaller and further away. That’s what I think happened to the Lakers.
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TOM

G. Money,

you wrote: Look dude, I going to mention this once to you, don't come at me like your opinion and argument is the gospel it's your opinion. If you can't respond with respect don't respond at all...my man.

my response:

Actually, if you read my post ... you'd find that I asked you some
questions. Your answers would allow me to change my opinion
towards yours if they were logically sound & pertinent to the facts of
the Lakers. i.e. Should Artest & Fisher shoot more or is your statement
all about Bynum?

secondly. The fact that I've stated my *opinion* as opinion means that it's
not gospel and shouldn't be taken that way.

o·pin·ion (-pnyn)
n.
1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof:

stu·pid (stpd, sty-)
adj. stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est
1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
5. Pointless; worthless:

stupid [ˈstjuːpɪd]
adj
1. lacking in common sense, perception, or normal intelligence
2. (usually postpositive) stunned, dazed, or stupefied stupid from lack of sleep
3. having dull mental responses; slow-witted
4. trivial, silly, or frivolous


Please explain to me why Kobe deferring to:

- a non-allstar center with no college experience, no international experience
- a non-captain
- a slow-footed 7-footer
- non-hustling
- w/ limited play-making ability
- w/ limited ability to get into position quickly

Does not qualify as: silly, frivolous, & lacking in common sense?

I will be happy to recant.

Btw, I asked you some serious basketball related questions. If you can show
me where my perceptions about the game are wrong, I will be happy to state
that I was wrong, apologize and change my position.

How's that?

And before anyone chimes in, I would *LOVE* for Bynum to lead the
league in rebounds this year & be an all-star.

someone wrote:

Kobe has had a few of those good 3 point shooters off of his double team, especially in the playoffs.

of course Fisher but also hitting big 3's off of double teams were Ariza, Sasha, Farmarr, Artest, and Shannon Brown. And from '99-'04 they had Shaw, Horry, and Fox

my response: Is this a response to an earlier post about Shaq having Kobe
as a 3-pt shooter & inside/outside basketball ?

Generally, we posters on this blog refer to inside-outside basketball they
usually mean get the ball to Bynum & Pau as a second option. At least
those most vocal are. That was why I mentioned that Kobe was the shooter
for Shaq.

That post was looking at MJ with Kerr/Paxson/BJ Armstron. Are you going
to put any of the Lakers shooters in that company?

we posters == when posters

hobbit - a couple of people on the RC were wondering if you'd consider stopping by once in awhile.... Hope you do!

Hey guys,
This is my first post using twitter as the sign in. Just checking to see if it works!

JohnnyV


LAKERS: MIKE BROWN AND KOBE BRYANT ARE JUST FINE, THANKS
by Mark Heisler for the LA Times
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-heisler-nba-20110619,0,3827365.column
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Mike Brown has apparently wowed Kobe over just like he did Jim and Jerry Buss and Mitch Kupchak according to insiders with both Kobe and the Lakers. I hope the points agreed upon were the need to get Kobe easier higher percentage shots within the flow of the offense and to have him assume the leadership role in improving our team defense. Time for Kobe to walk the walk about championships being all about defense instead of constantly leaving his man open to play free safety.

Mike Brown’s first real test as a head coach to me is going to be whether he gets Kobe Bryant to play first-team All-NBA defense instead of just talking the talk. Let me repeat that because it’s a point that must not get lost. We all know Mike Brown needs to get Kobe on his side but he also needs to do it in a way that makes sure that Kobe knows that he must keep his play within the bounds of the offense and defense that Mike wants to run. That will be the key to whether Mike and Kobe can flurish.
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TOM

JV!!! Where the hell have you been???!!!

@LT: "The Mavs had 5 of the top 11 3-point shot makers in the playoffs, including #1 Jason Kidd and #2 Jason Terry. That’s big time fire power."

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The Mavs 3-pt shooting got hot at the right time. During the regular season, the 3-pt shooting averages of Fisher/Blake were actually BETTER than those of Kidd/Terry.

So which Lakers stunk in 3-pt shooting during the playoffs? Here is the ranking (minimum of 10 3PA):

Player/ 3P%/ 3P/ 3PA
Matt Barnes/ 0.167/ 2/ 12
Lamar Odom/ 0.200/ 4/ 20
Shannon Brown/ 0.280/ 7/ 25
Kobe Bryant/ 0.293/ 12/ 41
Ron Artest/ 0.321/ 9/ 28
Steve Blake/ 0.333/ 6/ 18
Derek Fisher/ 0.412/ 7/ 17

The other interesting aspect of 3-pt shooting is that the Lakers are a good 3-pt defending team at first glance on the numbers. BUT if you drill down further into the stats, we are 2nd worst % in defending a 3-pt shooter WHO GETS ASSISTED on the shot. In other words, the best way to score 3's against the Lakers is to move the ball around. Our defensive rotation on the perimeter was terrible, something that the coaching staff was urging them to correct but the quickness was not there (fatigue or miscommunication or just plain old??) and the 3's came raining down.

They all probably come into play but I still contend that the loss of chemistry and synergy caused primarily by Pau Gasol’s wilting under pressure is what led to the team’s horrendous play and their woeful 3-point shooting.

Aloha Laker Tom,

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. However I think blaming Pau for others lack of shooting is pushing your argument a bit to far. These are all battle tested vets. After the 1st game Kobe was awful shooting from outside. Do you really think Kobe would be mentally weak enough to be affected by someone elses game? I personally believe it didn't even need to be great three point shooting. Just mediocre would have been enough.

As painful as it may be I encourage you to go back and review some of the games. Let me know where Kidd and Marion are every time Pau gets the ball inside. Where they are every time Andrew gets the ball inside, when Kobe tries
to post. You can also go back and watch the Hornets series as well because the hornets did the same thing. Remember Andrew had problems getting a shot off as well. The only time Andrew or Pau were successful inside was when they were spotted on the move. If they caught and tried to set, both were swarmed over, inviting anyone else to beat them from the outside. Anyway just my opinion.

MH

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | June 17, 2011 at 06:02 PM
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What happened to Ebanks in this trade???

Posted by: Justa JustaLakerFan | June 18, 2011 at 12:44 PM
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Mitch has always traded away young prospects, see Javaris Crittenton, Kareem Rush, Tyron Lue, etc etc etc. Ebanks should be included in any trade if someone that can actually play for us either via trade or FA can be got though.

It's no surprise LakerTom.

The day after they announced Mike Brown as the hire, I said if he was smart, he'd call Kobe and tell him "time to get to work"

Looks like they're doing EXACTLY that. This is what you want to see and this is what it takes to have an awesome team... what do I mean by "this"? I mean the coach and the star working TOGETHER sharing their basketball minds, discussing theory, and strategizing on how to win the title.

I also felt if Mike Brown didn't call Kobe in, then Kobe would call Mike Brown. There's NO WAY Kobe will let his last years fade without a fight. I say this not only as a fan of Kobe that has seen his mentality, but speaking from experience as one who was once the old "star" working with a coach I had not been under before.

So, in my book, this part of the equation will take care of itself.

The rest of the equation is getting the TALENT to work with.

And the trade scenarios are fascinating for learning where the minds of Lakers Nation are this offseason. Real blockbuster trades involving all-star caliber players are both rare and random. You can't just decide you want to make one and go out and do it. They almost never happen, and when they do they are usually just as unpredictable as the Gasol deal was.


It seems that some Laker fans have given up on Gasol, but still believe another GM would give up an all-star, a top 5 pick and other pieces in exchange for a guy they think has no heart. Very funny.


I doubt the Lakers have given up on Gasol. But other teams may think he is available. In which case they will float low ball offers. He's a great player, but not a franchise guy. So you can't trade YOUR franchise guy for Gasol. You try to steal him after a soft postseason.


Realistically - the core will return and some of these free agents will be added as reinforcements. I mean, if somebody offers Deron Williams for Fisher, Walton and a bag of practice balls (it works on the trade machine, depending on how many balls you offer), Mitch will do the deal. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

Posted by: Tom Daniels | June 18, 2011 at 02:33 PM

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I don't think the Lakers have given up on Gasol, but he had a very bad year aside from the first month, and it is viable to think given the sweep, that this team needs an infusion of new talent, and to rectify the roster going forward. Gasol is one of the most polished big men in the league, and with the talent he has he was able to help take the team to new heights. What can you point to that has solidified that reputation last year? The Lakers looked stagnant, complacent in all areas, but given Gasol's raw-talent you would think he would labor through any mental or physical problem he would have had to help the team pull through. He was unable to grasp the idea that he had to pull through, and he hurt his legacy and enforced the idea that he is not able to rise and meet the challenges that are ahead. Dirk Nowitzki, while a bad matchup, had his way and the Mavericks were able to cancel the Lakers length advantage constantly. The Lakers were too stagnant defending the outside. Gasol is around 30 years of age, with many more good years ahead. It is hard to think Kevin Love would do much worse with a team that a) will have a new philosophy and b) will have a different defensive mindset.

Given that last season was a failure by our standards, the league has caught up and there are teams getting better, 'tweaking' the roster is not going to guarantee us of much of anything. Your idea of standing pat and not doing anything is asinine and bound for failure. The truth that most Laker fans don't want to fathom is that this Lakers core, as constituted was not able to defend, which makes them tradeable. We got 2 championships out of Gasol, and eventhough tiredness kicked in and there were a plethora of issues, they alone don't excuse lack of heart and execution.

Thinking big is not everyone's cup of tea. Which is why the Lakers are the Lakers everyone else can think negative, that blockbuster trades are nonsense. Then there are teams like the Knicks, who just like to throw money around. We are not thinking in Knicks-terms, we are thinking on Laker terms, so thinking big, is just natural -its not wrong or right, or xbox-like that is just how we roll. Not saying any of the trade will happen, just saying they CAN happen, and it's important for you numbskulls to understand that.

"The only time Andrew or Pau were successful inside was when they were spotted on the move."

This is pretty much ALWAYS the case with Bynum; not so much always the case with Gasol unless the defense is swarming as you went on to discuss in your statement.

This is why it's a crying shame that Bynum never even TRIED to throw the shot, or come up with something hard to block... Hakeem had a fade away baseline similar to Dirk (but Dirk doesn't do it baseline in the post)... and it could not be stopped. Why hasn't Bynum come up with some signature shot other than the weak jump hook that he can't even get off at will??

I love Bynum, but frankly, I do not understand this and haven't understood this for a few YEARS now. Geez... 3 years ago (?) Kobe even tried to get him to start doing this, betting him money to take "the shot" in a preseason game.

My goodness Andrew. Grow some basketballs and be a man


@MICHAEL H… No problem agreeing to disagree but I am not sure what we are actually agreeing upon. You think it was the 3-point shooting that failed us. I agree. I say it the team lost confidence partly because of how poorly Pau was playing on both ends of the court. It’s not like these guys were covered like glue. Like you said, the Mavs swarmed the post and dared the Lakers to beat them from outside and the Lakers shooters couldn’t deliver. I saw a lot of wide open missed 3’s and I also saw times when Drew was open underneath and the Laker with the ball ignored him. I don’t need to go back and watch replays to remember that clearly. Why do you think we shot so poorly 3’s? It sure wasn’t tough perimeter defense by the Mavs and Nuggets. Shooting is contagious either way. When the team saw Pau choking and Kobe human, the pressure increased and confidence swooned. You say these guys are pros but that doesn’t matter. We see it all the time. Shooting is confidence and is contagious. We saw it in how the Mavs got hot and how the Lakers got cold. It ain’t just bad luck.
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TOM

In short, I don't generally know what to comment on.

I don't know what our roster is going to be next year.

I don't know how Mike Brown is going to work out as coach next year (I'm not optimistic.)

I don't know what success Mitch Kupchack is going to have, especially considering that he was awful as a GM last year (though I initially thought he did a good job).

I don't even know if we're having a season next year.

All I can say is that I'm worried.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Condolences to Clarence Clemons family. Every fan of Bruce and the E-Street band and great rock and roll will miss CC. I saw him live many years ago at the Sweetwater in Mill Valley and it was one of the greatest small shows I ever saw. One thing about how the great bands of the 60’s have all survived is that they’re also all getting up their in years where you often have to pay the price for your lifestyle.
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TOM


Aloha Laker Tom,

where we disagree is you believe Pau failed because he choked, I believe it had more to do with the defensive scheme. Because if choking is not getting a shot off or missing when you are doubled and tripled, then Kobe and Andrew choked as well. Marion never even guarded Artest. Kidd played way off of Fisher. Like Joe Bryant said, "shooting opens up the floor."

Now you said shooting good or bad is contagious. I agree. But if the shooters are buckling under pressure. I think it's more to do with seeing Pau and Andrew surrounded by 3 guys every time they touch the ball. Knowing it is their job to spread the floor and make the other team pay. In my opinion the biggest "chokers" in this series were Fisher, Ron and Blake. It is their responsibility to spread the floor for Kobe and the bigs so they can penetrate and they could never do that. Kobe is human and he needs a little space. It was like the 08 Boston series all over again when KG camped out in the paint because Lamar couldn't make him pay and Kobe had zero space to operate. Thats just what I saw.

Aloha

MH

Warriors have offered some awful deal for Howard according to hoopshype. No team can offer the magic what the Lakers can - top 5 center and sixth man of the year. If the lakers want Howard he seems to be there for the taking. But I'm not convinced the Magic have given up on the idea of getting Howard the help he needs.

G.Money

Shouldn't you be praising the Miami Heat? :-) Or your new act has become bashing Kobe?

Thanks
PSP Intern

Posted by: Practice Season Police

I agree with that.but only problem is the Heat didn't win the nba championship this yr.And i had my popcorn all ready to go as you suggest cause we was suppose to witness the crowning of the King.But instead i witness the crowning of a new Queen.It was popcorn worthy i might add.
Dude as you like to say,if i was you,i would spend my time worrying about my so call Heatles,and how their going to live up to expectation next yr and win the championship.Not to mention all the pressure thats going to be put on them put on them, including Lebron,and not bash other teams super star.
Because kobe say what you want about him he's not going to be afraid to shoot the ball even if he misses a ton of them.

Go Lakers!

@MICHAEL H … When you get to the details, most of our agreements are about degree. Bottom line, I’ve always loved players who can shoot. I mean guys who really have a natural stroke. Reggie Miller. Ray Allen. The trend in the NBA has been to put too much attention on speed, length, and athleticism and not enough on whether a player can shoot. You win the game by putting the ball in the hoop.

I have always been suspect of the true greatness of LeBron, Wade, Westbrook, Rondo, and Rose – all superb perimeter players who are not natural shooters, which means to me that they can be guarded by great team defense that turns them into jump shooters. And in the clutch, when the pressure is on and their shot is challenged, mechanics honed by repetition tend to fail compared to true shooters.

Watching Kobe shoot is a thing of beauty. When he is on, his shots barely feather the net compared to old timers like the Logo who always seemed to hit the back rim on every shot. Kobe’s stroke gives him a weapon that if properly used cannot be matched by the physicality and athleticism of the freaks the basketball gods keep throwing at him. It’s why he has been the better player than all those guys.
……………………….
TOM

JAMF

Contrary to what you might believe, I don't think of anyone here (or there) as enemies.
I might respond to some people with a venomous tone, but it's usually only done in retaliatory situations.

Even some despised bloggers will give you a great take now and then.

For Example 888 when he's not in "if you don't agree with me you're not a true Laker fan" mode, has posted some great stuff.

Gmoney just had an outstanding observation when talking about MM he said "...I think many of your supporters are on another blog..."
now that has got to make you think, doesn't it?

If I have made enemies, I didn't mean to. Well maybe one or two.
Worthy/unworthy adversaries? Perhaps?
Bottom line we're all Laker fans

@HmrHed Warriors have offered some awful deal for Howard according to hoopshype. No team can offer the magic what the Lakers can - top 5 center and sixth man of the year. If the lakers want Howard he seems to be there for the taking. But I'm not convinced the Magic have given up on the idea of getting Howard the help he needs.

Posted by: HmrHed | June 18, 2011 at 09:07 PM

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RE:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3v6tr6o

Lakers get Kevin Love, Darko Milicic, Jonny Flynn via Minnesota. Dwight Howard via Orlando.

Orlando gets Andrew Bynum via the Lakers, Beasley and #2 from Minnesota (Minnesota Option or cash and Ebanks from Lakers).

Minnesota gets Pau Gasol. They are under the cap. If such a trade happens and Derrick is still available during draft day, at the #2 they could opt to keep him and help him along, giving them a solid veteran presence and a legitimate point guard in Ricky Rubio. They would have lots of cap relief to tweak that roster and put themselves above the .500 mark next season.

Under this scenario Orlando retains a legitimate C, cap relief now, and next year with Bynum's expiring contract - their choice if they want to be empty handed next summer. The Lakers are able to shed Gasol, Dwight finally goes to one of his desired destinations. Kobe & Mike have a lot of defense to work with. Kevin Love has a change of scenery, and the Lakers while not having a polished PF, still retain a solid knock down shooter and youth going forward. The Lakers retain Lamar Odom off the bench. They could go for Deron Williams the year after that and use Lamar as a trading chip if they choose to.

It sounds easier said than done - so it likely won't happen. Either way I would like our team to go after guys like Raymond Felton, JR Smith, Rodney Stuckey, Aaron Afflalo. See, because if you trade away one of your major chips for a small chip like Chris Paul, there aren't many starting C's comparable to Andrew or Dwight, why not pry him away now and avoid frustration? I know guys like Ray Felton, or OJ Mayo boast CP3's same stats but they are still:

-Young,
-Room to grow
-Good by today's standards
-Decent scorers in their own right
-Can move the rock
-Athletic!

makes so much sense it won't happen.

Posted by: PointFoward | June 18, 2011 at 10:23 PM

I always love to hear from the players and people closest to the game. As opposed to the ill informed Skip Baylesses of the world.
Joe Bryant is a wise basketball sage as evidenced by the development of Kobe as a basketball all time great. Quite an accomplishment for a father.
With that said, as for what Mr. Bryant said about Kobe having no shooting on his championship teams...
Come on that is a ridiculous statement to make.
He had a team of deadly marksmen during the 3peat years:
Glen Rice, Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Bryan Shaw, and Rick Fox who was a decent spot up shooter too.
And as far as their last two runs. D Fish has been pretty much THE outside shooter for us. Although, T.A. had a great 3 point shooting playoff display in the 2009 run, capitolizing on seemingly every single momentus 3 point oppourtunity presented.
This past year though our lack of production behind the 3 point line coupled with Pau Gasol's fluffy vagina doomed us.
Oh well it's probably for the best...LA can't afford the parade costs anyway

LakerTom,

I mentioned this a while back, as a youth I went to a Bob Boyd basketball camp and Jerry West was a guest speaker. He was talking to us kids while shooting baskets, he never missed and most were all-net. He said when he felt his shot was really "on" it would hit the back of the rim and into the basket.
I always thought that JW was about as pure a shooter as there ever was to play the game.

@TROLL MAN … It’s the backspin he had on that jumper. And talk about stopping on a dime. I spent hours copying Jerry’s quick release of the dribble. In those days, you watched your shadows to make sure you were doing it right. Today, parents send you cell phone videos of their kids. What I remember most about Jerry was how easily and quickly he scored. Chick would always mention that somehow Jerry had 30 points but he couldn’t remember how since everything was in the flow of the game and Jerry never hogged the ball like today’s superstars. When he got the ball, he went. No two dozen head and shoulders fakes. Just smooth, easy, quick, and decisive moves. It’s what the Lakers need to get back to with Kobe. If you are old enough to remember Jerry in his prime, then you know what I am talking about. The best thing about moving away from the Triangle is that we can finally design plays specifically for Kobe that are not isolation plays that kill all ball and player movement. That’s what I hope and think Mike Brown means when he talks about extending Kobe’s career.
……………………….
TOM

@LTLF … Here’s a trade that nobody talks about but that makes terrific sense for both teams: Miami Heat trade LeBron James straight up for Dwight Howard, who signs an extension with the Heat. What better deal for Dwight Howard could the Magic get than the Chosen One to rebuild around. And Wade, Howard, and Bosh would be a far more formidable Big 3 to be dealt with than before.

Here’s another thought about making the Lakers a better team. Maybe the Magic would like to have Pau Gasol to play next to Dwight Howard and get him to stay? Would the Lakers be willing to take a package of J.J. Reddick, Jameer Nelson, and Brandon Bass would fix the Lakers balance issues. We’d have a starting lineup of Jameer Nelson, Kobe Bryant, Ron Artest, Lamar Odom, and Andrew Bynum with a bench of JJ Reddick, Brandon Bass, Matt Barnes, Derek Fisher, Steve Blake, Devin Ebanks.
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TOM

PSP
MM didn't "trash" this blog when visiting the RC, though I can see how it can interpreted that way.

He did have this to say

Latmedina: I seriously wish we'd have more engagement in the comment threads. Please shoot me an email at mgmedin@gmail.com at what we cna do. I've already done the sign in system, but the level of participation still remains low.

______________________

This bothered me, the fact that he would go to the RC and make such a request.
The RC is filled with former bloggers who deserted (for the most part) this blog.
His motives could simply be "good will" in hopes of luring some back. Or Not. But I, (stupid loyal that I am) kind of take it as an insult.

This is where G.Money's quote becomes interesting. If MM does have many supporters on other blogs who were once here.... why aren't they still here?...What the hell kinda support is that?

Yo MM, it's us on the RC, we support you, but from a distance....You go Bro, and remember, once in a while we'll throw you a bone and post a comment over there too. Gotta go it's time to trash some bloggers now.

OK I think it's time for me to take a break and watch some X-Files, I know there's a conspiracy out there somewhere

"
@LTLF … Here’s a trade that nobody talks about but that makes terrific sense for both teams: Miami Heat trade LeBron James straight up for Dwight Howard, who signs an extension with the Heat. What better deal for Dwight Howard could the Magic get than the Chosen One to rebuild around. And Wade, Howard, and Bosh would be a far more formidable Big 3 to be dealt with than before.

Here’s another thought about making the Lakers a better team. Maybe the Magic would like to have Pau Gasol to play next to Dwight Howard and get him to stay? Would the Lakers be willing to take a package of J.J. Reddick, Jameer Nelson, and Brandon Bass would fix the Lakers balance issues. We’d have a starting lineup of Jameer Nelson, Kobe Bryant, Ron Artest, Lamar Odom, and Andrew Bynum with a bench of JJ Reddick, Brandon Bass, Matt Barnes, Derek Fisher, Steve Blake, Devin Ebanks.
……………………….
TOM

Posted by: LakerTom | June 19, 2011 at 12:08 AM
"

I think Orlando will go for LBJ trade any day instead of anything we could throw at them (Kobe is off the blocks, of course), so good analysis there.

The second trade w/ Lakers is also reasonable. I would like us to make a push for DeAndre Jordan or some such big with his type of skills also if we can get them for the MLE or whatever after the CBA is set. I like that backup over what we would end up with or in addition to it.

Posted by: hobbitmage | June 18, 2011 at 03:31 PM
Dude…You and I can converse on this matter later, father’s day is all about positive vibes spending time with the kids and grand kids. All you Lakerholics with little ones, have a great one.
PEACE
Posted by: Oclezy | June 18, 2011 at 09:35 PM
Dude…weather I’m speaking my opinion regarding Kobe, LBJ, KG, cp3 or any other star player it only my opinion at the time. Nothing is etched in STONE. I’m on the Heat blog dogging LBJ when he couldn’t deliver and other star’s blog sites laying down my opinion about them. Enjoy your day my man.

justanothermambafan,

What blog are you speaking of?

>>>I don't know what success Mitch Kupchack is going to have, especially
>>>considering that he was awful as a GM last year (though I initially thought he
>>>did a good job).

Well, partly it depends on whether Blake and Barnes recover and play more like they played before they were signed (i.e. much better than they played in the playoffs)

And partly it depends on what goals he was given as a GM.

In 2007, 2008, 2009, I'm sure Buss' instructions to Mitch was to build up the best team possible. When the salary got so high that the profit margin was low, I'll bet Buss told Mitch to reduce salary without giving up any of the core players. Given that as a goal, he did very well. He re-signed Fisher and Odom for less than they originally wanted. When Ariza's agent tried to hardball, he signed Artest instead. He got rid of Sasha. He dumped off first round trade picks that they would have had to pay out guaranteed money to...

So based on what Buss probably asked him to do, he did a very good job.

It's just that they were right on the knife's edge of having enough talent to win a championship, and the budget cutting ended up pushing them into the "not quite enough" category.

I'm curious to see what the Lakers net profit was for the 2010-2011 season - without those extra playoff games, it's possible they lost money. I'm also curious to see if Buss will take a gamble - if he'll spend all they can spend to try to put the best possible team on the floor again. Or if they'll keep trying to save money, even if it means they're not quite good enough.

Okay, so here's my informal poll:

What would be enough value in return to trade Pau?

1. Nothing - I'd never trade the second best player on the team

2a. Chris Paul, if we could swing it. Other players in the deal don't matter.

2b. Chris Paul, but we'd have to get a big in the deal as well.

3a. Dwight Howard, if we could swing it. Other players in the deal don't matter.

4a. Deron Williams, if we could swing it. Other players in the deal don't matter

4b. Deron Williams, but we'd have to get a big in the deal as well.

5a. Kevin Love and the Lakers' choice of other Minnesota players (other than Rubio) to match salaries (Beasley? Johnson? Milicic?, etc.)

5b. The #2 pick, plus the Lakers' choice of any Minnesota players except Love or Rubio to match salary

5c. The #4 pick, plus Kevin Love, plus one Minnesota player of the Lakers' choice (other than Rubio), with 2 other players going to Cleveland. (Lakers get big reduction in total salary as a side effect)

5d. The #2 pick, the #4 pick, Kevin Love, and another player from Minnesota (other than Rubio).

5e. The #2 pick and players other than Rubio or Love from Minnesota, and the TWolves take on Luke's contract (which means they get a useful player for Luke in the deal).

5e. The #2 pick, the #4 pick, two players from Minnesota of the Lakers' choice (other than Love or Rubio) from Minnesota, and Minnesota takes on Luke's contract.

6. Something else (you name it)

And in case you're wondering about a "Dump Luke with Pau" type trade, it would go something like this:

Minnesota gets Luke, Pau, and JJ Hickson (and a couple of trade exceptions)

Cleveland gets Wesley Johnson, Darko Milicic, Jonny Flynn, and Anthony Randolph

Lakers get the #2 pick, the #4 pick, Anthony Tolliver, Ramon Sessions, and one other player from Minnesota (Beasley? Webster?)

>>>Because if choking is not getting a shot off or missing when you are doubled
>>>and tripled, then Kobe and Andrew choked as well.

Kobe shot 46% for the Dallas series. That's pretty good for a guard who takes more than half his shots from outside

Pau shot 42% for the Dallas series. That's piss poor for a PF who takes most of his shots inside.

Pau choked. Kobe didn't.

Someone mentioned the Golden State offer for Dwight Howard...

According to HoopsHype, the offer was Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins, and Ekpe Udoh.

Pretty weak offer.

LT -

While I like Bass, Redick, and Nelson, I'm not sure it's enough to get for Pau.

Nelson is the best piece in this deal, and he would be a good addition. He's just an okay defender, but he does have speed. He'd be the defensive equivalent of Farmar, but with much better offense. And he's a pretty consistent 3-point shooter, which the Lakers need.

I know you want Redick for his 3-point shooting. But his salary and performance kinda reminds me of Sasha. He had a great year, got a new contract, and the next year his level of play fell off. You really want to pay 12 million over 2 years for Sasha with less aggressive defense (and without "the face")?

Bass is okay. He's a decent jump shooter and he works hard on defense... but he's only 6'8". Replacing Pau with Bass negates the Lakers' size advantage.

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To me, that's just not quite enough value to get for a second team All-NBA PF. Also there's the problem that it leaves Orlando with only Arenas at PG.

Throw in a first round pick from the Magic to the Lakers, and Orlando takes on Luke's contract (they can send back some of the Gortat trade exception), and I'd do the deal, but I doubt the Magic would (even the original trade you proposed).

@LTLF … You didn’t respond to my proposed LeBron James trade straight up for Dwight Howard, who signs an extension with the Heat. What better deal for Dwight Howard could the Magic get than the Chosen One to rebuild around. And Wade, Howard, and Bosh would be a far more formidable Big 3 to be dealt with than before.

Lakers Nation had a poll and 550 Lakers fans so far voted 72% to 28% in favor of trading for Chris Paul or Deron Williams over Dwight Howard. Wonder what the vote would be on this blog. Far as I can tell, the Bynum Bashers here would reverse the poll on Lakers Nation. Run the poll here, MM.
……………………….
TOM

hobbit - it's not a "blog" - it's a live chat that's always up and running. MagicPhil started it last summer, and many from here (and another blog as well) chat there about the Lakers and any other topic that might come up. It's fun! Some were wishing more people would come over there to chat now and then, and your name came up so I said I'd ask. Most posters on there have NOT "abandoned" this blog or any other. The chat is just more convenient for instant convos - and getting to know each other a little better as well. (Plus we have all the booze and the great music HAHAA!!) The link is http://felipereis.com/lakerholic/ - come on by sometime - just make sure to create an account FIRST (it's quick and free) and it's the best way to make sure you get your handle the way you want it. If you just post as a guest and then try later to set up an account, sometimes it won't let you use the same name. Hope you swing by!

BTW - everyone is welcome. We don't discriminate. All opinions are voiced and debated. I think the biggest difference is we don't get rude or personal (myself included Troll Man HAHAHAA!!!!)

/offtopic

Father's Day Letter to Ashlyn by Robert Horry -> http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/06/18/robert.horry.letter.to.ashlyn/index.html

(retweeted by Brad Turner, Sekou Smith, John Schumann)

JULYAN STONE DOES NOT HAVE A PROMISE FROM THE LAKERS, BUT HIS STOCK IS RISING
By Scott Schroeder for SBNation
http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2011/6/16/2226659/julyan-stone-lakers-nba-draft-2011
..................................
This guy apparently impressed the Lakers in his workout and there were rumors that the Lakers had promised to take him with their 41st pick. Then it was like total silence. This was the first article since in which they say the Lakers have not made any promises to him. Could it be that the Lakers did promise to draft Julyan but when word got out they had to deny it. He could be our first pick.
...
While you never know until they actually play in the NBA, Julyan looks to be exactly the type of player that Lakers need at point. Great size, court vision, pass first, athletic, and great defender, especially against smaller players. Miami also has their eye on Julyan. Here is a report from Alex Kennedy for HoopsWorld (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=20166):
...
“Julyan Stone has emerged as a potential first-round pick after a series of spectacular workouts. He has seen his stock skyrocket throughout this process because he's been able to dominate individual matchups against smaller guards in workouts and prove to teams that his game will translate well to the next level. The Los Angeles Lakers have expressed interest in him at #41, but he may not be on the board that late because the Miami HEAT may go with Stone at #31. Miami brought in Stone for a workout and then put him through an extensive physical that included blood work and a CAT scan. Others teams, including the New York Knicks, have also expressed interest in Stone, but they'll likely have to move into the first round to draft him.”
..................................
TOM


Pau choked. Kobe didn't.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | June 19, 2011 at 08:33 AM

Aloha Longtime,

I don't think you read the whole comment. It said not getting a shot off or missing while double or tripled.

After the first game after Dallas adjusted, Kobe managed just 54 shots over the last 3 games. Very unKobe like when it's all on the line and we are losing. They did give him the outside were he was 1-13 from the 3 point line after the first game and they harassed him every time he tried to post.

Now the argument that LT and I was having is Tom feels that this was all because Pau was choking. I felt it was because Marion and Kidd played off their men, double and tripling anyone who touched the ball inside. Like Joe Bryant said in the interview, we had no one spacing the floor. Tom seems to feel that Fisher, Artest and Blake couldn't hit a wide open shot because Pau was choking.
I feel it's because they choked.

What your take? Mine is yes Pau didn't have a great series and yes some of it's his fault but I think he has taken far to much heat because of the defensive scheme that Dallas employed. Dallas got away with it because no one could hit a wide open shot.

MH

@MM ... Can you get a list from the Lakers of the players that they worked out? That would be very interesting and I don’t think confidential but it would tell us a lot about Thursday’s draft. For example, did they work out Brandon Knight as rumored? If so, he might be the key to a possible Pau Gasol trade. Did they work out any other point guards besides Julyan Stone? That would tell us what they really thought about Stone and whether there was or was not a promise to draft him 41st.
..................................
TOM


HOOPSWORLD SECOND ROUND PICKS FOR LAKERS
..................................
(41) Julyan Stone, PG, 6-7, 200#, 22-years old, UTEP
(46) Jeremy Tyler, C, 6-11, 260#, 20-year old, TOKYO APACHE INT’L
(56) Norris Cole, PG, 6-2, 175#, 22-year old, CLEVELAND STATE
(58) Willie Reed, PF, 6-9, 220#, 21-year old, ST LOUIS
..................................
TOM


Dude…weather I’m speaking my opinion regarding Kobe, LBJ, KG, cp3 or any other star player it only my opinion at the time. Nothing is etched in STONE. I’m on the Heat blog dogging LBJ when he couldn’t deliver and other star’s blog sites laying down my opinion about them. Enjoy your day my man.


Posted by: G.Money | June 19

All right man long as you can keep it real on both sides i respect that.Have a Bless day man.

Go Lakers!


Well I guess the Heisler article oughta quell any further (needless) speculation concerning Mamba reserving comment on the new coaching hire. Personally, I'm glad he chose not to comment. Let's just let things play out and see where we end up.

~

LTLF and/or LT: Tho' I'm not sure if the Wizards would be willing to part company with him or not, Jordan Crawford would be a great guard for the Ls to pick up,if available. He played great after the trade with Atlanta this past season. He plays with a lotta energy and can play both guard positions,and he can shoot from the perimeter and can provide some transition offense, as well. I'm not sure if he's a FA or not, but if he's available I think the Ls should, at the very least, give him a long look. At any rate, I'd appreciate any thoughts, if any, you guys might have.

Just in case some here may not be familiar with him, he's the guy who dunked on LBJ during his Summer Camp a couple of years back that went viral on youtube.

~

@LRob: Sorry bro, I've been a bit negligent in my posting lately.:-) For today's musical contribution, I'd like to veer away from the Jazz genre (just for today) and post 2 renditions of a lil tune that I haven't been able to get outta my head all weekend...the first is by the original artist, the second is by (IMHO) arguably the greatest female vocalist EVAH! ... enjoy!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvEYg16GtL8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjz_vjevJ_o&feature=related

~



Let's go Ls...and make a comeback next season!!!!!

Happy fathers day to all the fathers out there.Even though we may not always do what your suppose to do as a man.God Bless you anyway and its never to late.Have a Bless day.

Go Fathers!

@LakerTom "Here’s a trade that nobody talks about but that makes terrific sense for both teams: Miami Heat trade LeBron James straight up for Dwight Howard, who signs an extension with the Heat. What better deal for Dwight Howard could the Magic get than the Chosen One to rebuild around. And Wade, Howard, and Bosh would be a far more formidable Big 3 to be dealt with than before."

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Pat Riley sent word to "nix" any trade offers for any of the big three. All they need is another year to mesh together and they should still be hard to beat next year, why would they trade any of their core when they took the east by storm this year?
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@LT - "While I like Bass, Redick, and Nelson, I'm not sure it's enough to get for Pau."
------------
1. The Lakers should not listen to any trades for Andrew / Pau that don't have a star player in return, or a package BUILT around a star player.

2. There is no incentive in sending out Pau to any team for a bag of polished granite rocks, even as atrocious the end of the season was for him. Now if you talk about Christopher Paul, Dwight Howard, Deron Williams, players like that or close to them, maybe we listen.

4. Trading for JJ Redick and the other guys, don't solve the issue of a loss of a polished -underachieving All-Star, with some mental issues. It would cause systemic problems since Odom starting at PF isn't better than Gasol starting at PF. Also Nelson would be a good starting PG but if Gasol isn't there, how are we going to run sets through Odom as opposed to Gasol?

3. It's important to note here, the Magic trade scenarios are more feasible because to borrow real estate terminology, they are "motivated sellers" (is Dwight actively recruiting players right now, that anybody knows? And judging ownerships horrendous business decisions {See: Hedo, Vince Carter trade fiasco} that put Dwight AND the Magic themselves in that spot, what would entice Dwight to stay there, as much as he postures about his love for Orlando?~NO state taxes.)

4. Chris Paul, Deron Williams in that order would be the only 2 guards that the Lakers would trade any of our bigs for. End of story.

 
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