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Lakers name Bill Macdonald and John Ireland as team's play-by-play announcers for 2011-2012 season

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It's far from definitive what the makeup of the Lakers' roster will look like once the 2011-2012 season starts. But we'll know who will be calling the games.

Bill Macdonald,  who has been with Fox Sports West since its inception in 1985, will serve as the Lakers' television play-by-play announcer on both KCAL-9 and Fox Sports West broadcasts with color commentator Stu Lantz. John Ireland, who has served as the Lakers' sideline reporter on KCAL-9 since the 2002-03 season and the current host of of 710 AM's Mason & Ireland, will call play-by-play for the Lakers' flagship radio station at 710 AM with former Laker Mychal Thompson.

It had been well documented that the Lakers would field a new broadcasting team since late last season, with the Lakers' deciding not to renew Joel Meyers' contract. But it had been widely believed that Lakers' radio play-by-play announcer Spero Dedes would replace Meyers.

Dedes, 31, was considered a rising star within the organization after spending the past six seasons as the Lakers' radio play-by-play announcer.  He arrived with the Lakers after working at the YES Network in New York, calling play-by-play for college football and basketball games and serving as the No. 2 play-by-play announcer for the New Jersey Nets. He also was a studio host for the Yankees and Nets pre- and post-game shows and worked for NBA TV as an anchor. His duties hasn't been solely confined to the Lakers. With the organization's blessing, Dedes has also called NCAA basketball tournament games and NFL games on CBS and was a host in 2008 on the NFL Network's "NFL GameDay Morning" show.

Meanwhile, Meyers had 25 years of broadcast experience, including being the play-by-play announcer for the San Antonio Spurs for four years. He had also done NFL games, Big 12 college football, golf, two Olympic Games, and worked for networks such as NBC and ESPN. Meyers has an established track record in Southern California sports, including doing Angels and Raiders games in the 1980s, Dodgers games on cable in the 1990s and Los Angeles Lazers indoor soccer games for the old Prime Ticket. He replaced Paul Sunderland as the Lakers' television play-by-plan announcer in 2004 after spending his first two seasons with the Lakers in radio.

Still, Macdonald and Ireland have vast experience in the Los Angeles sports market.

A four-time Emmy winner, Macdonald has filled various roles, as host, field reporter and play-by-play announcer for NBA, MLB and NHL coverage as well as hosting the station's Lakers, Angels and Ducks pre-game and post-game shows. He had also called Kobe Bryant's career-high 81-point performance against the Toronto Raptors on Jan. 22, 2006. A four-time Emmy Winner, Ireland served as the Clippers play-by-play announcer for five seasons beginning in 1997 and had also filled in for radio play-by-play duties for various Laker and UCLA games. 

--Mark Medina

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WAT :(

Glad Joel is gone (and wish Stu were too)

BUT WHERE IS SPIRO?! he should be voice of the Lakers for years to come

Wow is right. Where is Spero? Anyway, all I remember about Bill MacDonald is that I thought he did a great job calling Kobe’s 81-point game. Most importantly, I’m glad to see Stu Lantz remaining. Smart announcer who always has great insights in my opinion and will always remind me of Chick.
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TOM


"WAT :(

Glad Joel is gone (and wish Stu were too)

BUT WHERE IS SPIRO?! he should be voice of the Lakers for years to come

Posted by: Charles Baio | June 21, 2011 at 03:38 PM "

Exactly what I was going to say.

Billy Mac & Stu. Great energy mixed with Stu's top notch color! I'm feelin it!

If the Lakers wanted to have the best at every position, they'd get Sunderland back...

But Ireland is a stand-up guy and a Lakers blog fan.... the nerve of him calling us whack jobs (LOL, what a funny guy).

Remember when Fearless changed his name to Fearless Whack Job???

Those were the good ol days on the blog, but not necessarily the good days of being a fan... afterall, there was a reason why Ireland called us Whack Jobs (we actually thought the Lakers could win 50 games)

@HOBBITMAGE ... “Didn't the T'wolves just ask for Bynum?”
Yep, and guess what the Lakers told them? LOL.
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@YELLOFEVER ... “Guess what I'm sayin is you asked for typepad and MM delivered.. All u had to do was snap your fingers!! But you can't have ur cake and eat it too!! Its either one or the other :-)”
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Let’s see if it still works. Snaaaaaaaaaap! Snaaaaaaaaaap! Snaaaaaaaaaap! Snaaaaaaaaaap! Don’t know, Yelloi. I just snapped my fingers four times for four blog wishes but nothing happened yet. Guess I will have to wait a few days and see if my Lakers Blog wishes came true. LOL.
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TOM


WOOOHOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the team I was hoping for, Billy Mac is awesome!!!! I realize some people here think he 'jokes around' too much or whatever - but he does a great job when called upon. He and Stu have good camaraderie from their pre/post game shows.

I remember Billy getting choked up a couple of times coming out of those great 'Golden Days/Purple Knights' segments. He really does bleed purple and gold, he has retold his memories of seeing Wilt, West and crew at the Forum with his dad growing up.

Spero was starting to do more NFL and other things. He probably was going to continue doing those things as long as he was merely the radio voice. Tough to lose him, but I'm jazzed the Lakers went with Billy Mac.

John Ireland is excellent too. He did some Clipper games, and a couple of radio Laker games back in his XTRA Sports 1150 days morning show days. I tuned him on the radio a couple of times, he's very good.

Besides, both of them have some Chick in them, he was quite the kidder. I think the Lakers did good on these moves.


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Meyers is out! Yayyyy! Now I can finally turn the sound back up.

Look, we're the Lakers. I'm sure Billy Mac and even John Ireland will be fine. But I don't demand fine. WE ARE THE LAKERS. Give us the best.

Spero Dedes is only like 29, and would be (will be) a superstar. That's what I want from the Lakers. The best. Not fine, not guys who have been there forever, not Joel. I want the top of the line. Spero is that. And now he's reportedly a Knick? WTF.

Spero would cover up Stu's boring pessimism and severe lack of insight (did he ever once ever try to explain the triangle to listeners? nope). I know everyone loves Stu because he was there with Chick, but that's not a good reason to hang on to him forever. But at least put him with someone who is a blast to listen to, like Spero.

This was a terrible decision on whoever's part.

@LT - I agree with you that I trust FO to make the right decisions. I do like KLove's game, but I'm hoping for a top 5 player (DHoward) or at least a top 15 (DWill/CP3) if they're going to trade one of the bigs.

@Cyber - DHoward and Kwame comparisons? Wow. To quote Mark Jackson...you're better than that.

LRob: I sometimes think you only read a portion of what I post. If you go back and re-read what I'm referring to with Dwight, you'll see what I mean.

Specifically, he hesitates at times, not all the time, but at times. Multiple pump fakes and sometimes launches flat out bricks in those situations that would make Kwame Brown proud.

Has anyone else noticed that? I know I'm not the only one. He is a beast a lot of the time, but in traffic, certain times he locks up and lacks Bynum's smooth touch and release.

Playing alongside a power forward that isn't taking three's like Rashard Lewis, where he may meet more defensive pressure in those situations, it would probably magnify his hesitation on his shots that he sometimes exhibits.


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Great. Now Spero Dedes gets thrown under the bus.

Just fricken fantastic.

Urgh.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

I remember Billy Mac calling Kobe's 81 point game. He's our "good luck charm" LOL!! He bleeds purple and gold too - it's going to be a pleasure to have him call the games with Stu (instead of Joel - oy vey) - if there are any games that is.....

Is this Jim Buss rearing his ugly head again? How can the Lakers be replacing Spiro? Outside of Vin and Bob Miller, he's by far the most listenable play-by-play man in the LA area. I remember being pleasantly surprised when I first heard him. I think Ireland will do well, but I think he's better suited to sportscasting / talk show hosting vs. radio play-by-play man, and Spiro should have been kept.

Cyber,

This is what you wrote...

Which reminds me of something I always notice about Dwight Howard, I love his defense, but doesn't he remind you sometimes of Kwame on offense? Some moves he is a beast, on others he looks like he's pressing when he gets a pass/rebound down low. Pump fakes and whatnot, then puts up some herky-jerky straight up bricks at times, just like dear ol' Kwame did. Not every time, but a lot of the time.
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Okay, I just re-read it and still strongly disagree with your assessment of DHoward's game. (You said a lot of the time). No biggie. I've never watched Dwight's game and was reminded of Kwame. We can agree to disagree.

Also on the other topic I do love Drew's touch around the basket also.

New reports are that Spero changed his mind on the Lakers, not vice versa. They weren't willing to let him do national NCAA or NFL games during the season so he went to the Knicks (who would). Big loss for Lakers Nation... wish they could've picked someone more inspired to replace him. But if so I'll stop blaming the Lakers for losing Spero.

From what I'm reading, it looks like it was Spero's choice to leave. New York's offer was probably better financially as well as having more freedom to work in other sports.

LakerTom,

re: the T'wolves and Bynum. The point isn't that the Lakers said no re: Bynum.
The point is that you're selling tickets for Pau & the T'wolves and it seems
as if you're wrong.

fwiw, I'm keeping my mouth shut until the season starts re: personnel.

I could be like some and try and trade away everyone I dislike or who
interferes w/ my favorite player getting more court time, but what's the
point?

Jim Buss is running the show and he'll put the Lakers in the toilet or he
won't.

Go Kobe!
Go Lakers!!!

A twitter from Sam Amick:

"As Minnesota continues search for high-level player in exchange for No. 2 pick, source says T-Wolves made offer for Lakers C Andrew Bynum."

LOL. Have they not been listening to Jim Buss?

I doubt Buss would even agree to Bynum for Love + the #2 pick.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Billy Mac is okay, but I was really looking forward to listening to Spero.

This is truly turning into a weird offseason.

Let's hope that the FO can redeem itself by netting(no pun intented) D Will, CP3, or Howard.

>>>Jim Buss is running the show and he'll put the Lakers in the toilet or he won't.

Truer words were never spoken.

What a joke! I'm silent about most of the Lakers' personnel moves (players, coaches), trusting Mitch and Dr. Buss would make the right decision.

Unfortunately, this simply stinks of Jim Buss' doing. Dumping Spero Dedes in favor of John Ireland is a slap in the face to Lakers fans.

BTW, Consider this...

Minnesota has been shopping that #2 pick around the league like a hot potato.

First they came asking for Pau (no thank you, how about Pau for Love+2?)

Now after getting turned down for JaVale McGee and Andrew Bogut and several others, they came asking about Bynum (HELL no! Not even if you include Love)

I keep thinking... how long before they resort to asking for Odom and change for the #2?

So I'll ask that question...

Would you give up Lamar Odom for a couple of players from Minnesota (other than Love or Rubio) plus the #2 pick?

Let's say Milicic and either Beasley or Webster. That gives you a reliable defensive backup C. And depending on the other player, you could either take Webster and draft Derrick Williams (who could pick up Lamar's minutes), or you could take Beasley (to pick up Lamar's minutes) and draft Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker.

Less than 24 hours to the draft.

When are all these alleged trades going to happen? (not the ludicrous ones I've been describing, but real trades)

@LTLF

I would do that in a second! Not sure if Minny would feel like they were getting the low end of the bargain or not. I think it's reasonably a fair trade considering draft picks don't always work out-even when taken in the first ten.

See Kwame Brown.

Why Stu? Why not Big Game James? Any good answers?

@Tom, @Tim-4-Show: Both of you are exactly on point. I remember my FearlessWhackJob days. I rode that 50-win bandwagon until the wheels fell all the way off.

But, I thought Spiro was the best of the bunch, and Joel clearly the worst. But, Spiro started out pretty bad, he got really good really fast. That may have actually worked against him, I think, as the Lakers were clearly looking for established and critically lauded talent. Spiro is just too good now to be someone's portage' or to do color.

I hope he lands somewhere cool. He deserves it.

--Fearless


@HOBBITMAGE … “I could be like some and try and trade away everyone I dislike or who interferes w/ my favorite player getting more court time, but what's the point?” LOL. In your case, you don’t trade them. You just rip them a new one, especially if they threaten to take away shots from Kobe.

As for Minny asking about Bynum. That was the logical move after the Lakers asked for Love and the #2. Minny countered with Bynum for Love and the #2 and the Lakers naturally said no. With all the hullabaloo surrounding Ricky’s press conference, the big bump in selling season tickets, we may still see Kahn buckle and blink and give us what we want for Pau, which is Love and the #2 et al.
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@FEARLESS … You crazy wack job, you. Man, days of the 55-game bandwagon. At least Ireland gave us some recognition. Spiro apparently turned down the Lakers. Anyway, I love Bill MacDonald and have always wanted to hear him do more games after he called Kobe’s 81. Replayed that game a few weeks ago and Bill was great. Sometimes I like having another fan in the booth, which wasn’t Joel.
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You should sign up for Twitter. It’s not intrusive and I am sure Fearless or Fearless Wack Job would be available handles. Anyway, good to see you were paying attention, Robert.
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TOM

I say no to LO for MN garbage plus #2.

If we're getting Love and #2, then Pau is OK. Even better if they throw in a PG and take Luke back!

Since I rarely pay much attention to the guys calling the games,I couldn't care less about this particular post, but best wishes to them all.(LOL)

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@LRob:Glad you enjoyed 'King' and 'The Queen' doing their respective renditions of 'Soul Serenade'.

Now back to the Jazz.:-)

For today's musical contribution, howz about this legendary bassist...enjoy!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqWLSe0FS0I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SENNoODZTZ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU_RxWXijz0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkTEfrmqxws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9stYGxxcujg&feature=related

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Let's go Ls...and make a comeback next season!!!!!

@Tom: If Spiro turned the Lakers down, then good for him. That probably means he has something up his sleeve (if he is smart). I loved the call on Kobe's 81-point game, because for once when Kobe went Kobe they guy in the booth wasn't all like, "that's a terrible sh...he made it".

Or, when he says, "he gets the ball to roll in", when you can clearly see it bouncing on the rim. OHHHH, that drove me nuts!

I really can't wait to start enjoying the play-by-play, again. Plus, Stu always remembers to mention Chick, as he should

--Fearless

Oh, thanks for the Twitter tip. Worked like a charm. Though, I'll never actually log into my twitter account...

Hey sorry for the absence later today. I was out on an assignment reporting today.

All that happened when type-pad was instituted was lower the blog traffic. Terrible business decision.
The last thing this blog needs is just the Friedman Winners to blog and cumbaya each other day after day (no offense).
Diversity in thought and presentation is what keeps a blog alive, along with a little smack-off now and then (Jim Rome style).
I've been doing my part for almost 4 years now, from the Lamar Anthem to the 27 commandments and some will call it to sardonic for their taste, but people have different tastes and as soon as some of you realize it the better.

>>>Minny countered with Bynum for Love and the #2 and the Lakers
>>>naturally said no.

Not the way I read it.

What they offered was the #2 and anyone but Love or Rubio for Bynum.

They aren't trading Love (which is actually pretty smart of them - you don't improve much if you give up your best piece every time you add a piece). It's the #2 they're offering, not Love.

Speaking of Anthem's

The Jim Buss Story
sung to the tune of the Beverly Hillbillies

Come and listen to a story bout a man named Jim
A millionaire’s kid who sometimes hit the skids
And then one day upon inheriting the team
A light came on about his Laker legacy

Well the next thing you know ole Jim is self aware
Jimbo says get PJ outta here
Coach Mike Brown is the place we wanna be
So he threw out all that Zen BS, it's time to play some D

Defense that is, No Triangles, Rap Music, or Movie Stars

banjos kick in

NuggetsCountry,

>>>If we're getting Love and #2, then Pau is OK. Even better if they throw
>>>in a PG and take Luke back!

Well, I can pretty much guarantee you half of that. If Minnesota breaks down and does accept a Love & 2 for Pau deal (seeeriously doubt it), then they'll almost definitely be including Jonny Flynn (a PG).

But Minnesota won't be taking Luke. The only deals you could get for Luke is if you were taking a bigger worse contract back (e.g. as once piece in a trade for Rashard Lewis or Gilbert Arenas, for example). Next year, he'll be an expiring contract, so he'll be more tradeable (unless there's an amnesty in the new contract, in which case he may be gone).

McLyne,

>>>I would do that in a second! Not sure if Minny would feel like they were
>>>getting the low end of the bargain or not. I think it's reasonably a fair trade
>>>considering draft picks don't always work out-even when taken in the first ten.

Yep. Every team (and fans) overvalues their players. There was a Minnesota fan who posted on one of the comment sections that he wouldn't trade Milicic for Gasoft, let alone Love. Shyeah right.

I have a feeling that if the Lakers pulled off the trade, it's for one of two reasons... either they worked out one of the lottery guys and really liked them,...

OR (more likely), they have a deal in the works to get one of the PGs that is currently available (Felton? Harris? Ellis?). Trading Pau to get Love + Felton + Milicic (for example) would balance the Lakers a bit better without hurting them too much in the front court. And unlike a rookie PG, they'd be confident that a guy like Felton or Harris or Ellis could step right in and contribute at a high level this season.

PSP,

Don't let anyone suppress your creativity when it comes to your blog awards. Make it as irreverent or as politcally correct as you like.

The possibilities are endless.

Best of all? You beat MM to the punch haha, can you imagine if he did a blog awards?
It would be like the scene in "Airplane" where Striker is telling me his life story and I, bored to death, kill myself.

Wait a minute, I don't want to give MM any ideas.

I forgot to include this in my earlier post to this thread. Cap visited my hometown recently to promote his new documentary 'On the Shoulders of Giants', and sat down for a lunch/interview with one of our local tv sportscasters. He had some interesting comments on the younger players of today. Check out the link below to watch.


http://www.nbcwashington.com/multimedia/Kareem_the_Film_Producer_Washington_DC-124322934.html

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Let's go Ls...and make a comeback next season!!!!!

Ditto's to those who miss Mamba24, but his obsession betrayed him.
He meant a lot more to this blog before falling into that familiar trap.

Spero Dedes? Don't want anyone who doesn't want to be here...

BTW, Billy Mac IS a great hire. The Lakers hit a 4-pt play with bringing him in. He's ONLY a longtime Laker fan, ONLY has proven himself a FAN FAVE, ONLY has proven himself a WORTHY ANNOUNCER!

I'll be happy seeing Big Game James continue his excellent work for KCAL LTV shows, along with Sports Central.

GREAT HIRE LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!

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LTLF: Odom for Milicic, Beasley and the #2? YES! I would do it in a heartbeat!

Love L.O. I hate giving exclamations to these trade scenarios, people might think I'm anti-Laker or something, but that would be a great trade for the Lakers.

Odom is at the peak of his trade value.

The big running joke is people associating Milicic with Kwame and probably previously Shawn Bradley - but he can play. Not dominant starting center type material but very competent backup. Not since the Lakers had Chris Mihm pre-last foot injury have they had such a decent backup center.

Heck, Rambis was giving Milicic big minutes late two seasons ago/early this one. Maybe as a ploy to get Love to raise his game, or more likely because he was outplaying Love for stretches there.

Beasley? Flat-out scorer at the forward position.

BSPN was floating that Derrick Williams might be the #1 pick (maybe because he was their 'guest of the day' today, running through most of their radio/tv shows. Anyways, that won't happen but I guess there's the slight chance the Lakers could pick up Irving with that pick.

But, either Irving or more likely Williams at #2. Then suppose that becomes trade-bait with Pau and incentives for either CP3 or D-Will...

So, yeah, JUST DO IT MITCH!


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Bynum for Love and #2????

Yes,
even though I posted that Love would be a good fit for the Lakers only if they still used the Triangle Offense. I have reconsidered.

Love proved this year that he can do the dirty work and get rebounds, add to that he can shoot and has a high BB IQ, you have a Dennis Rodman type who is a big offensive threat albeit not the man-on-man defender Rodman was.

Love would be the antithesis of Lamar Odom, a player whom if you get a decent game out of him 50% of the time you're felling good.

This was the first time we had a healthy Bynum and what did it get us?
With Pau playing the majority at center the previous 2 years we won rings. Pau may be a PF but he might be a better center.

Besides, Bynum is an injury waiting to happen, I can only hope that when it does occur that the Lakers haven't signed him to an extension.

Just had a thought

Maybe I'm the antithesis of Mamba24

think about it.

Troll Man- Dude...you may be on to something, But I believe everyone knows this.

G.dude

lol

Aloha,

The more I read about the players around the league that the T-wolves are trying to obtain and what they are willing to give up, it appears to me that this is nothing more then a KAHN job to sell more season tickets. It really doesn't look like they are serious.

MH

LakerTom,

you wrote: “I could be like some and try and trade away everyone I dislike or who interferes w/ my favorite player getting more court time, but what's the point?” LOL. In your case, you don’t trade them. You just rip them a new one, especially if they threaten to take away shots from Kobe.

As for Minny asking about Bynum. That was the logical move after the Lakers asked for Love and the #2. Minny countered with Bynum for Love and the #2 and the Lakers naturally said no. With all the hullabaloo surrounding Ricky’s press conference, the big bump in selling season tickets, we may still see Kahn buckle and blink and give us what we want for Pau, which is Love and the #2 et al.

my response: Are you high? Again?

Let's be factually correct about this, ok?

Kobe's shot count has been decreasing ever since Pau arrived. Not once
have I talked about Pau taking Kobe's shots. Not once!

You have suggested trades for Lamar, Pau, & just about every other Laker
not named Bynum.

I've been incredibly clear about this and yet you keep getting it wrong. Are
you verbally challenged? I don't care about the number of shots Kobe takes.
I care about the Lakers winning.

You have been selling Bynum tickets since he was drafted: Here's a quick
draft of your musings ...

Bynum needs to be the focus of the offense.
You can't play defense if you're not getting your offensive touches.
Inside-Outside basketball.
It takes years for a big man to mature.
Bynum's presence is crucial for the Lakers to 3-peat.

You have been wrong about nearly everything and yet you keep spouting
off at the mouth. Now it's trade everyone except for Kobe & Bynum.
If Kobe didn't have a "no trade" clause, you'd trade Kobe too.


re: ripping "them" a new one & who I like.

This is nice fiction. Do you actually know what a fact is?

So ... who have I ripped a new one?

I have said:

Pau played like a chump.
Artest & D-Fish were offensively challenged.
Bynum & Pau are slow.

That's your definition of "ripping someone a new one" ? You are sooooo
weak!

C'mon man! You're better than this.

Trade andrew Bynum for DHoward and no one will beat the Lakers...Do It Mitch please.....

Charles said "Spero would cover up Stu's boring pessimism and severe lack of insight (did he ever once ever try to explain the triangle to listeners? nope). I know everyone loves Stu because he was there with Chick, but that's not a good reason to hang on to him forever."

Totally agree with you Charles, I don't know what they see in Stu, the guy has a negative drag, I feel completely depressed after listening to this guy. Should have been time for change, but seems like legally they had to keep him on payroll.
PurpleHeart

The number of people posting probably has nothing to do with TypePad. It has to do with the Lakers just got swept in the second round.

I'm sure there are a bunch of Championship Weather Lakers fans whose interest wains a bit when they don't win a title every year. If you ask them what they thought of Nick Van Exel or Cedric Ceballos, they'd ask, "Who?"

When the season starts, the number of posters will pick back up.

>>>Trade andrew Bynum for DHoward and no one will beat the Lakers...
>>>Do It Mitch please.....

To be honest, if you replace Bynum with Howard and re-play the Dallas series, I still doubt they'd have won it. Might have made it closer. But their big problem wasn't Bynum. It was an ineffectual Pau, and ineffectual bench, and Dallas shooters shooting the lights out.

Note that it was a bit of an aberration. Peja killed the Lakers. Then in the finals he shot so poorly that Carlisle benched him for most of the series. Take away Peja's scorching 52% 3-point shooting vs the Lakers and it would do more to get them a series win than Howard would.

Increase Pau's crappy 42% shooting to 46% and it's a series. Increase it to the 58% or 54% that he shot in the last two seasons of playoffs and the Lakers win the series easily.

Again, Bynum was not the problem.

>>>The more I read about the players around the league that the T-wolves are
>>> trying to obtain and what they are willing to give up, it appears to me that
>>> this is nothing more then a KAHN job to sell more season tickets. It really
>>> doesn't look like they are serious.

I disagree. He's hoping to find a team that wants to dump salary before the new CBA kicks in.

Remember - Memphis traded Pau to the Lakers for Kwame Brown... WAY less valuable than a #2 pick in the draft.

It's actually a smart attempt by Kahn, I'm just not sure it will work. The thing is, if the new CBA works out in favor of the owners, they may be reducing all existing contracts, so they wouldn't NEED to make big salary dumps.

If Kahn's willing to settle for a decent to pretty good player, I bet he could get one for the #2 and parts. It's just that he's trying to get a quality big (Pau, Drew, Bogut, Hibbert, JaVale McGee) and the teams that have those bigs won't give them up for spare parts and a pick in a weak draft.

Can Bynum do an alley-oop?

Cheers.

@LTLF: "The number of people posting probably has nothing to do with TypePad. It has to do with the Lakers just got swept in the second round.

I'm sure there are a bunch of Championship Weather Lakers fans whose interest wains a bit when they don't win a title every year. If you ask them what they thought of Nick Van Exel or Cedric Ceballos, they'd ask, 'Who?'"

Co-sign 1000%. Nothing like a losing summer to separate the wheat from the tear!

what happens if there is a lockout? can the teams continue to make trades or does it shutdown until there is a contract, because i can see them taking their time, being patient, since the two sides are woefully apart and lockout seems that more likely.so whats the hurry?

If there's a lockout, it all shuts down. No trades, no free agency signings, nothing.

Because trades and signings have to conform to the new CBA, and they won't know the rules of the new CBA until it's done and the lockout is over.

Note that if the players decertify the union, then officially no rules apply. Teams could bypass the draft and just try to sign who they want - Lakers could say, "Kyrie, how would you like to play for a champion instead of the worst team in the league?" Of course if they did that, the new CBA would negate it, but it would be pretty amusing.

this new posting system is a horror story so far. this is lance from da' bronx. i have to use my yahoo account to get in. it doesn't accept my handle the page says i am signed in as (nobody),which i think is a bit rude,only my close friends get to say that to me. anyway there may be all kind if reasons why people are not showing up here

lance - just create a FB (or twitter) account under the name of your handle. Then just use it for signing in. That's what I did - real easy.

mornin' all! Yeah, lance, do as justa said and create a FB account, or twitter is a bit easier. The login hasn't worked flawlessly, but at least it is working some.

BTW, judging by the NFL lockout, if the NBA works the same way then there would be no trades, signings, etc. Basically, the league goes into hibernation...

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utzworld: "I'm sure there are a bunch of Championship Weather Lakers fans whose interest wains a bit when they don't win a title every year. If you ask them what they thought of Nick Van Exel or Cedric Ceballos, they'd ask, 'Who?'"
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To that effect, most kids at my sons' high school don't like the Lakers - even though they are the local team. A lot of them liked the Cavs (gee, wonder if they are still Cavs fans now!), some liked the greenies, and of course - now most are Heatles fans.

We got swept and fair weather fans abandoned the Lakers like rats jumping off a burning ship at sea.

We'll see how many return after our first 4-game winning streak...

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LTLF: I agree with what you write, I think Kahn is over-exuberant after finally getting his man Ricky to sign on the dotted line, but I personally think that if he's waiting for some hard cap to immediately slash payrolls down, it just won't happen that way.

Unlike the NFL, NBA contracts are guaranteed. There is no way, say, the Lakers just cut Luke/Ron Ron/Blake and the union just accepted them as casualties to the new CBA. Even if they are still paid.

I would think there would have to be a grace period to let teams over the cap have contracts come off the books. There would be too many underachieving players being trimmed off rosters and caught in some type of limbo.

I could see one player per team as has been discussed, but say the hard-cap was set at $60-mill or $65-mill, the Lakers would have to trim multiple guys immediately - same with most of the teams in the league. I think Kahn may be wishing to find a diamond in the 99cent store, it just won't happen - and if it did those guys would want to come on the cheap to a city other than Minny.

Just for curiosity sake, I copied the Team Salaries from HoopsHype:

Team Payrolls
1. Los Angeles Lakers $91,645,878
2. Dallas Mavericks $90,764,633
3. Orlando Magic $89,139,596
4. Boston Celtics $83,330,756
5. Utah Jazz $74,109,205
6. Houston Rockets $72,758,481
7. Atlanta Hawks $70,927,923
8. Portland Trail Blazers $70,523,987
9. Memphis Grizzlies $70,008,317
10. Milwaukee Bucks $69,757,069
11. San Antonio Spurs $69,704,628
12. Philadelphia 76ers $69,585,609
13. Toronto Raptors $69,504,845
14. New Orleans Hornets $68,551,075
15. Golden State Warriors $68,040,204
16. New York Knicks $67,327,114
17. Miami Heat $66,949,192
18. Charlotte Bobcats $66,846,401
19. Detroit Pistons $65,917,821
20. Denver Nuggets $65,870,893
21. Phoenix Suns $65,738,834
22. Indiana Pacers $64,368,421
23. Washington Wizards $59,694,942
24. New Jersey Nets $59,508,407
25. Oklahoma City Thunder $57,536,882
26. Chicago Bulls $55,434,482
27. Cleveland Cavaliers $53,772,145
28. Minnesota Timberwolves $53,140,362
29. Los Angeles Clippers $52,646,130
30. Sacramento Kings $44,030,596


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!

lance from the bronx: it says nobody but your actual post will have the correct handle in the thread.

Latest this morning - Minne tries to trade the #2 to Phoenix for Steve Nash.

Since Derrick Williams (the likely #2 pick) played at Arizona, there's a tie in there. But Phoenix would never send Nash to Minnesota to play for a giant team of suck.

Also, reportedly San Antonio is trying to trade Tony Parker to get a high draft pick.

Any interest in a 3-team deal?

Something like Pau for either Parker or Nash and either Darko or Beasley or Randolph?

lance from da' bronx,

Everyone is signed is as "(nobody)"

The only difference is that we clicked on our handle, in your case it would be that weird long yahoo thing, and click on edit your profile and go from there.

I had to sign out and then sign in for the changes to finally take shape. Others have reported that it just happened after a few tries/few minutes

LTLF,

"Note that if the players decertify the union, then officially no rules apply."

OMG, please don't make me get all excited like that.

Plus, I'm prone to going off on a tangent about the players union... the union that takes from the skilled and gives to the less skilled. But, the players probably don't even see it that way, even though it's 100% true

We all know that some teams don't even make money.

The T'wolves, for example, have a 53m salary base.

But what's wrong with this picture?? ROOKIE contracts!

Just wait until they have to actually pay their players "market value" (I'm talking mostly about K Love here). So if the team is already barely making ends meet, what happens when their payroll goes up 20%?

And yet, the NBA wants "parody". They want all teams to be equal in competitiveness or ability to compete.

Sadly, the NBA is NOT about competing... it's about making money. So the parody argument is a bit twisted.

And here's the kicker... suppose we adopt strict rules to keep the parody, where a team like the T'Wolves and their low salaries can compete... it would mean the Lakers would also have to have a lower salary base, and then Mr Buss is making a FORTUNE each year.

So, you either have non parody in terms of competitiveness, or non parody in terms of profitability. You cannot have both, and you can easily have inequity in both (sort of how it stands now).

And, IMO, forcing parody in terms of competitiveness will result in a market distortion and in aggregate loss of revenue for the league, which will, in turn, eventually lead to less money for owners and less money for players.

Thoughts?

Also, reportedly San Antonio is trying to trade Tony Parker to get a high draft pick.

This could get interesting if the Lakers were willing to obtain that #2 pick...

but it does sound like Minny is just throwing wrenches around. "hey, we'll give you this near worthless #2 pick for Nash.... hey, how about #2 for Bynum?... hey, we'll give you this #2 pick for LBJ.... any takers... anyone?? Okay, let's leak our talks to the media now"

CyberCosmix,

>>>Unlike the NFL, NBA contracts are guaranteed. There is no way, say, the
>>>Lakers just cut Luke/Ron Ron/Blake and the union just accepted them as
>>>casualties to the new CBA. Even if they are still paid.

And that's where you're wrong.

If the League and the Players Union agree to a reduction in pay as part of the new CBA, it can happen. That's one of the things the Owners have on the table right now that the players are balking at. As much as 25% cuts for the top earners. I doubt it'll fly, to be honest, but if the Players Union agrees to it (or to some lesser % cut), then it'll happen.

I doubt they could allow teams to just nullify a contract and not pay the player off. That would get challenged in court, even with a new CBA. But unions do sometimes agree to a pay cut. There's a union where I work (I'm not in it) that recently agreed to pay cuts - if it was that or the company becoming a non-union house and them all losing their jobs, they felt it was the better option (and they were all overpaid anyway in my view).

>>>I could see one player per team as has been discussed, but say the hard-cap
>>>was set at $60-mill or $65-mill, the Lakers would have to trim multiple guys
>>>immediately - same with most of the teams in the league. I think Kahn may
>>>be wishing to find a diamond in the 99cent store, it just won't happen - and if
>>>it did those guys would want to come on the cheap to a city other than Minny.

I don't think it works that way. The owners would never agree to that. For example, the Lakers would probably be required to cut at least one of Kobe, Pau or Drew.

The way it would work is that the new hard cap is in place, but teams that are over it can keep their current players on their existing contracts, but can't just re-sign them for anything they want. Until you get under the cap, it's all minimum salaries to fill out your roster.

>>>Just for curiosity sake, I copied the Team Salaries from HoopsHype:

And those are for the 2010-2011 season, not next season. Lots of expiring contracts. at 60 million about 18 or 20 teams would have cap space (plus free agents they need to re-sign).

Tim-4-Show

>>>And, IMO, forcing parody in terms of competitiveness will result i...

No doubt, parity (parody is a type of comedy) hurts teams like the Lakers, Knicks, and Celtics and helps teams like Minnesota and Memphis stay competitive.

The LEAGUE is thinking in terms of max profits for the LEAGUE.

Officially, they're neutral. They don't care who wins each year or how many teams are in the league, as long as they maximize profit for the league.

Generally, having more teams means more games and more revenue streams. 30 teams will make you more money than 8 teams. But if 10 of those teams suck so bad that they have no chance of winning a championship, then the fanbase in those cities dwindles, and those teams become non-profitable.

So the choices are to contract the league to only profitable teams, or to do something that makes it easier for Minnesota and Memphis and such to KEEP their good players. The last CBA did that to some extent, but required them to spend huge amounts of money to do so, and often that means they over pay for players.

Let's use Andrew Bogut as an example. He's been a bit injury prone and hasn't been All-Star level, but he is a pretty good center (say top 10 in the league) when he's healthy. When his contract came up, if Milwaukee had offered him a deal at around 8 million a year (about what he's worth), some other team would gladly have signed him away for more. So they either have to overpay to keep their players or they lose them.

A hard cap would partly reduce the problem. If no team can offer your player 15 million a year when they're over the cap, then you have a better chance of re-signing your own players at a reasonable rate. And if there's no MLE, then teams like the Lakers and Celtics can't keep adding and adding players who might make 8 million somewhere else, but will settle for 6 to play for a good team.

And if small market teams can keep more good players and stay competitive, then they'll draw a bigger fan base and stay profitable.

Worse for the Lakers and Celtics of the league, better for overall league profits, and better for the small market teams.

Please Bill Mac Donald! stay true to yourself and your god given talent. I would like to request that you don't get sucked into the Stu Lanz I know what the player is thinking play by play. So many of the Laker fans I connect with have to turn off the sound when we watch the Lakers on TV because Stu is so annoying. The days of reporting what's actually happening in a play by play with excitement and acuracy seems to be substituted with the great Carnack impression of "he said to himself, Blah blah blah. I would also like to point out giving a clinic on every play about what each player should have done and what drill he should do to correct it is 'nt needed every play, we would like some comments about what is happening in real time and not have to listen to rambling. Being informative is great but being redundant is boring. Shake things up bill and run with the ball the way you know how to, you have been one of my favorite announcers for years. I am 55 and I would date a 23 year old if I had the chance you are a hero. Demi Moore has nothing on you!


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