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Caught in the Web: NBA owners and players union acknowledge wide division in labor talks

62231482--The Times' Mike Bresnahan talks to Lakers guard and players union president Derek Fisher, who acknowledges divisions remain regarding a new collective bargaining agreement.

--The Orange County Register's Janis Carr couldn't imagine seeing Phil Jackson appear on The George Lopez Show. 

--ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky talks to Clippers forward Craig Smith about growing up and playing in L.A. 

--The San Francisco Chronicle's Rusty Simmons reports that the Golden State Warriors have discussed trading guard Monta Ellis and other unnamed players with Atlanta, Memphis, Chicago, Orlando and the Lakers. 

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell talks to Lakers General Manager Mitch Kupchak, who indicates it's unlikely he'd trade any of the team's big men. 

--Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore provides a player report card on Trey Johnson.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius Soriano looks at how Ron Artest can improve next season. 

Tweet of the Day: "Time to really rebuild n show La what my last name stands 4 ... And no coach there's not a H in my name but I do have heart!!" -- RebuildCaracter (Lakers backup center Derrick Caracter)

Rick Friedman Reader Comment of the Day: "How much change should the Lakers make to their roster? That is the six million dollar question. However, I could take a stab and provide you with my answer in four words. Dwight Howard and Chris Paul." -- Jack Bauer

--Mark Medina

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Photo: NBA Commissioner David Stern says the owners and players aren't close to an agreement on a new labor deal. Credit: Mark Humphrey / Associated Press

 
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All this lecrybaby I'm gonna be more aggressive talk could be great news for dallas... During crunchtime you really want the ball in lebronzes hands NOT dwades. Trust me on this!

Now that lecrab has talked the talk let's see if he deliver in the 4th.. Don't care if u agree or not but tonight can shape his career... Because so far he's choked in every BIG series of his career (2010 boston 2009 orlando 2007 spurs in finals ) if he loses this series with dwade n bosh will have irreparable and lasting damage to his big ego n legacy

Expect a lot missed jumpers from lecrab so by agression I'm sure he means im gonna barrel my body lower my shoulders take my 3step drive to the lane then pray for a call and hope stern is on my side.. If not expect a lot of excessive whining with dumbfounded what no whistle looks on his face

Go dallas!
May God be with us!

information on why Kobe should shoot. [ note: I didn't say how much. ]

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b9NM0

snippet: ‘You’re at a point where you’re just not in a good rhythm,’ he said. ‘You start aiming shots. You start thinking about plays too much. You start thinking about the game too much and instead of going out and reading and react and playing the game. …

‘When you’re out of rhythm, it’s tough to get back into the flow in that particular game.

REally?

Chris Paul and Dwight Howard is the Friedman?

Since when does wishful thinking override realistic reasoned discussion? (not by me, most of my posts are non-realistic in the sense that I don't believe the Lakers will trade any major pieces).

If I post: "All the Lakers need is Derrick Rose and LeBron James", does that make me the Friedman for tomorrow?

LongTimeLakerFan - I just thought the comment was funny.

Yo Good Morning Crew,

How are we doing today!


REally?

Chris Paul and Dwight Howard is the Friedman?

Since when does wishful thinking override realistic reasoned discussion? (not by me, most of my posts are non-realistic in the sense that I don't believe the Lakers will trade any major pieces).

If I post: "All the Lakers need is Derrick Rose and LeBron James", does that make me the Friedman for tomorrow?

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | June 09, 2011 at 10:02 AM

See, you and I are on the same page. Your comment is exactly what I was thinking when I read that. The six million dollar question is.... how do we get Luke's $6M off the books?

@MM,

I must be slow this morning; the humor escapes me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j7ftfRiWlg

Interesting article on Pop's response to Tony Parker saying the Spurs window for winning a title has closed....

excerpt....

“You think I care what Tony Parker says?” Popovich told Harris in the snippet from the interview, which is available here. “You think Tony Parker is gonna coach when he quits? Why would I listen to Tony Parker?”

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2011/06/09/pop-says-he-doesnt-care-what-tp-says-about-spurs/

Sup Tech...all good. So did you decide to watch gm 5 tonight?

Yo Lrob2 whats up buddy, ummm about the game, I'm not sure but probably I will tune into it, seems like everyones talking about this game 5 huh? You guys make me want to watch the game, but I hate seeing those loosers on the court!

what time is the game tonight? they are in miami so I'm thinking around 5ish Pacific time?

should be a decidable game 5 no?

oh wow did Pop really say that?

ahaha must be a burn in Tonys face huh? but I gotta give it to tony tough, he is kind of right man, they couldn't outhustle and outmuscle the MEMPHIS, Its just going to get harder after this season and with age, just like the lakers it will catch up to them, oh wait, it actually is catching up to them!

@LRob2,

TP's words bear credence if you watched the MEM-SAS playoff series. Marc Gasol was pushing Timmie around. There was one instance where Marc pushed Tim about 2 steps back, something that would not have happened 5 years ago. Marc owned Tim Duncan in that series.

how do we get Luke's $6M off the books?

Posted by: NBA4eternity | June 09, 2011 at 10:58 AM

by beating him up in the El Sugundo training facility parking lot, before practice to make sure his paralized so they won't be able to bring him back! lol jk its curel but hey for 1 million I'm willing to do that, they can keep the other 5$ ahahah

@Art_Lakers
I have heard a lot of theories of Lebron’s play, some make some sense and others don’t. I don’t think he was deferring to Wade trying to be “a good team player” it was much deeper than that. My reason for saying that is I would totally agree with you had he been setting Wade up with even the hockey assist.

The thing was he was getting the ball then passing it into Bosh (which I can understand), but then to Haslem, Chalmers, and Miller over and over again. When he was passing to these guys it wasn’t on a drive and kick it was a passive pass on the perimeter.

I tend to agree more with your latter statement that he is more nervous than Wade in the Finals, yet I get grasp why he would be so passive and not even try harder. His before game speeches “if you are not exhausted after the game then you didn’t play hard enough”….. I would like to know if he was exhausted after game 4?

@Tech – gotta love TP’s brutal honesty, although he did backtrack from the statement. Of course, I would expect Pop to respond like that. Pop doesn’t bite his tongue for anyone.


@NBA4eternity – Luke’s contract will come off the books if the “Amnesty Clause” allowing teams to dump one contract (LTLF wrote about it yesterday) becomes a reality.

Man that's why I like POP as a coach, he is an amazing guy, that's the kind of coach we need in LAL, we need someone firm and commited that deserves respect, I think POP could do a lot with the talent that we have in LA so I would have loved for him to be our coach! that would have been an amazing pick up this off season, his really good at using all the " tools in the bag"

There are only 3 people that deserve a ring in the Mavs squad...

Dirk
Chandler
Kidd

and on the Miami team

Dwade!
Haslem!

@LRob2

If he is tired it is more in his head than his body. He does play a lot of minuets and plays hard on both ends, but in the finals even someone like Fisher plays 40+ minutes. He didn’t play hard enough in that game to be physically tired and he sure didn’t look like it. He is mentally tired because he just isn’t mentally tough; he has been a coddled narcissist his whole life and I think he hits a wall mentally for maybe a number of reasons that only those in his inner inner circle would know about.

I heard today Stephen A Smith saying that it was something internally in his own personal life, that he had some issues going on. He said his source was someone close to Lebron who was credible that said he was mentally occupied with personal problems. If that is the reason, that is just plain weak. If there were a problem with someone you play with on the court then I could at least understand that to a degree. If it is issues off the court (Pau Gasol), outside of the organization that how can you let that effect your play in the most important games of your career or “legacy”. You will never be an “icon” with a weak mentality like that.

Carlisle Coaching………..One of the greatest coaching performances of all time in the finals. The reason the Mavs will win these finals in game 6 will be because of the coaching staff that Mark Cuban has put together. An absolute masterful and courageous effort on the coaching staffs pa

@ NBA4

I heard today Stephen A Smith saying that it was something internally in his own personal life, that he had some issues going on. He said his source was someone close to Lebron who was credible that said he was mentally occupied with personal problems. If that is the reason, that is just plain weak. If there were a problem with someone you play with on the court then I could at least understand that to a degree. If it is issues off the court (Pau Gasol), outside of the organization that how can you let that effect your play in the most important games of your career or “legacy”. You will never be an “icon” with a weak mentality like that.

and do you know what that problem is off court? we'll what I heard was that now Lebronz has proof that Delonte West and his mom were getting it on, not just once, but a couple of times, maybe even now they still are going at it, when the rumor came out when he was in Cav's and was about to leave, he did't have proof of the affair or cheating scandle but now supposadly they are saying he actually has proof that Delonte west was messing around with his mom.

I think that his " off court" issue!


Snake,

>>>Rashard's is one of the worst contracts in the NBA. He is due $21M a year for
>>>the next 2 years...

You missed the point. I was listing players that teams might cut if there's an amnesty clause. Basically, they'd have to pay their salaries, but it would come off of the team's cap space.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | June 09, 2011 at 08:43 AM
---
Thanks for pointing that out. It's one of the perils of the occassional reader like myself, not being able to trace back the previous thread.

Anyway, I recall that there was a similar rule back in 2005, the 'Allan Houston rule'. And the Lakers used it to get some relief on Brian Grant's horrendous contract.

@Tech N9ne
If that is the issue than all I can do is laugh and shake my head. So he is going to let that derail his whole career and legacy for two years now? WOW? Get over it he's not even your teammate, him and your mom are grown adults even if they don't act like one. WEAK WEAK WEAK I love it! So in the middle of a game I'm going to occupy myself with thinking about madman Delonte and my mom who has problems. WIERD

Carlisle Coaching..One of the greatest coaching performances of all time in the finals. The reason the Mavs will win these finals in game 6 will be because of the coaching staff that Mark Cuban has put together. An absolute masterful and courageous effort on the coaching staffs pa

Posted by: NBA4eternity | June 09, 2011 at 11:28 AM

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

NBA4eternity

Very well spoken (typed?) It amazes the PSP how so many people were satisfied with the level of coaching Phil brought this past season (and even seasons before). When you watch a well coached team like the current Mavs play the difference is like night and day. We have been fortunate to have outstanding talent on our winning Lakers squads; honestly, do you think Philip would have been able to coach this Mavs team to the finals?

Thanks
PSP Intern

Hello Lakers Nation,

we don't need Dwight Howard we have Andrew. This young man is going to be the face of the Lakers in the years to come and we are not going to trade him.

Ross Snyder Park

Hello Lakers Nation,

we don't need Dwight Howard we have Andrew. This young man is going to be the face of the Lakers in the years to come and we are not going to trade him.

Ross Snyder Park

Posted by: Anthony Johnson | June 09, 2011 at 11:56 AM

are you JIM BUSS in disguise? beacuse you do sound a lot like him! ahahah

Yo What up PSP

When are we doing the funeral?

I already dug a hole, in front of Staples Center, if were going to bury this thing might as well make it Staples Center no?

Lets bury this thing already!

Tech N9ne

Heck no!!!!! No way we are burying "practice season theory" anywhere close to Staples. The ghost of the damn thing might haunt us forever; you need to find another spot and start digging again my friend. :-)

Thanks
PSP Officer

@ PSP

You can't be srious, there are blisters on my hands from diggin so much, I need help, this is way too much work! But then again I dug it on the Clippers side of the staple center lol

any ideas on a location!?
you name it, I dig it

>>>See, you and I are on the same page. Your comment is exactly what I was
>>>thinking when I read that. The six million dollar question is.... how do we get
>>>Luke's $6M off the books?

There are two realistic ways.

First is to dump him off in a trade that gives up Bynum or Pau. A team that's anxious to add one of the Laker bigs might be willing to take on Luke's contract to get the deal done. But that does require you to give up Bynum or Pau (maybe Artest, but I doubt it).

Second is to wait until February of 2013. At that point in time, Luke will be 6 million dollars of "expiring contract", and thus will be a valuable trade asset.

Other than that, you're stuck with him.

What you should HOPE for is that he would get some playing time and play really well. If Luke started playing 15 minutes a game, hitting 40% of his 3's and getting 2-3 assists in that short PT, then he'd be an asset to the team, but would also have trade value.

Hoping for him to ride the bench is basically hoping that the Lakers will be stuck with his contract until summer of 2013. To be tradeable, he has to play and play at least reasonably well. 2008-09 season level of Luke play would be enough to get him traded. Only getting 5 minutes a game like in 2010-11 won't get it done.

>>>Luke’s contract will come off the books if the “Amnesty Clause” allowing
>>>teams to dump one contract (LTLF wrote about it yesterday) becomes a
>>>reality.


Ooops. Yep, you're right. That's the third way that Luke could come off the books.


>>>Anyway, I recall that there was a similar rule back in 2005, the 'Allan
>>>Houston rule'. And the Lakers used it to get some relief on Brian Grant's
>>>horrendous contract.

exactly.


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