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-- The Times' Jerry Crowe wonders why Kobe Bryant has still refused to publicly comment on the Mike Brown hire.

-- I talk to Lakers forward Matt Barnes about the progress on his surgically repaired right knee. He expects to be able to start running in a week and a half.

-- CBSSports.com's Ken Berger reports that the Trail Blazers, Lakers and Hawks are among the teams that made "exploratory calls" after finding out the Warriors and 76ers were discussing a possible Monta Ellis for Andre Iguodala trade. 

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky argues that the Lakers need speed and athleticism.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin also details Barnes' MRI results.

-- The Orange County Register's Jeff Miller focuses on Bryant's endurance.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Ramona Shelburne reports that Derek Fisher went out to eat with Brown to talk about the Lakers.

-- Hoopsworld's Eric Pincus would be in favor of the Lakers trading Lamar Odom for Ellis.

Tweet(s) of the Day: "@ESPNLandOLakers Too much thinking at the wrong time is disastrous. Big reason Kobe is so special." 

"@lazenby Agreed, but even Kobe isn't immune. By this own admission, Game 7 against Boston was an over-thought struggle. AK" -- Exchange between Lakers author Roland Lazenby and ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky on LeBron James' fourth-quarter collapse in Game 5 of the 2011 NBA Finals. 

Rick Friedman Reader Comment of the Day: "I am rooting for Mavs in this Finals matchup. Isn't it nice to actually root for a team that shows grit and makes a game of it every game in this matchup? Haven't seen that predictability out of the Lakers for a year. I'm glad to see other teams get a dose of that lights out shooting we had to endure against the Mavs..........the kind we need to get on this team ASAP!" -- NuggetsCountry

--Mark Medina

Email the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com

Photo:  Kobe Bryant announces the formation of the Kobe and Vanessa Bryant Family Foundation during a news conference Tuesday at My Friend's Place, an organization in Hollywood dedicated to helping homeless young people. Credit: Reed Savon / Associated Press

 
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Hello Lakernation!

Tech is signing in....

Yo Yo where is everyone? yes we know its a friday, but really no ones on here! I guess since the Mavs won everyone would be on here, but theres no one! ahaha

wierd!

Hey everyone. I'm sorry for the apparent difficulties with Twitter login. I'll look into that but it's likely more on Twitter's end than our end. For those not wanting their full names attached, I would advise to change your settings on any email address or any other account where you have your full name in there. That'll likely help rectify this for now. I'm speaking with management today so I will definitely bring this concern to light and I hope we can find a solution

@MM - haven't been able to sign in using Twitter since yesterday. Major problem.

@hobbit – no problem. I was just calling it like I saw it. No, I wasn’t advocating you take a beat down…cause you would never do that anyway…lol, I’m was just saying you got in your share of hay- makers. I enjoy your posts also and your vigor in defending your opinions.

@LT – Thanks for the compliment. I agree if there were no heated disputes here it would be pretty boring. It’s the variety of opinions and personalities that make the blog interesting. Now that the new format has eliminated the trolls and handle jacking hopefully some of the older posters will return.

@PSP – Count me among those that hoped MVP returned and face the music, even if he decided not to stay. I know I was wrong about this Lakers team also. It’s not that big of deal. I just chalk it up to gaining a little more NBA knowledge :-) and keep it moving.

LRob

Man I just got AT&T U-Verse the other day and I got a whole bunch of good sport channels including NBA TV, and whole bunch of sport networks...

Yesterday on NBA TV they were showing the highlights of Games 1-4, after that they showed the decades top 10 playoff moments, and you guessed right, our Lakers took more than 50% of those highlights...

They Started of with this game year 2000, WEstern conference finals, game 7... Lakers are down, Mr Brian Shaw starts nailing 3's to get them back up and the young Shaq and Kobe duo finished off the game!

some good stuff

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Here is 888's entire comment

"I admit that it was more wishful thinking than anything else that we would three-peat this season, but I'm a fan. I am also a fan who admits when he's wrong and doesn't disappear wagging his tail between his legs when he's wrong like clean did last season after we WON! No, some people prefer to gloat, which is why he's here after we LOST! As the Great Tate once said, he's not a Lakers fan, he's a clean fan"

So here is 888 now saying

1. it was "wishful thinking"
The man who attacked fellow bloggers who had a different read was now just wishing he was right?

2. "and doesn't disappear wagging his tail between his legs when he's Wrong..."
Guess he forgot about the call-outs on this blog

3. "No, some people prefer to gloat"
Does anybody of sound mind and body believe that if the Lakers had won it again this year that 888 wouldn't be here reveling and gloating to the nth degree?

888 is the very very definition of a Chicken Little. His hit and run tactics are the act of of coward.

As the saying goes, if you want to dish it out, you better be able to take it. That's what made this Laker Blog special over the years. MM and a lot of people have seemed to forgotten it.

Posted by: Troll Man | June 09, 2011 at 09:29 PM "

This is more or less why I don't think it's "piling on" to make comments about what 888 said all year. When the Lakers were rolling, he came out of retirement to point out how his practice season theory was going exactly as planned. If the Lakers were still playing now I think he'd still be here saying the same.

I have also seen from the snippets posted in here that he is still talking about us as well. I've seen myself specifically mentioned by name in one of his comments. It is what it is. He was a big topic in here all year and dipping out early doesn't erase the things he said while he was here.

As I'm watching the game last night, I feel stuck in a dilemma. It's a no brainer that I'm going to root for the Mavs to beat the Heat, and the Mavs are a good fun team to watch. I've actually been cheering on the Mavs and having fun doing it. To me, that's a problem.

I don't think I have the proper, or sufficient amount of hatred for this team that swept the Lakers out of the second round. I can easily muster up a good amount of hatred for the Miami Heat, or especially the Boston Celtics, but the Mavs; it's hard to hate this team. They go about their business the right way, they have guys like Jason Kidd and Dirk Nowitzki, who are definitely deserving to win a ring in their HOF careers, they are very well coached, and Mark Cuban is staying far in the background. They respect their opponents, and play hard till the end. What's not to like about this team? Maybe Deshawn Stevenson or Jason Terry for their idiotic comments but that's about it.

If I, a life long Lakerfan who hated anyone who beats the Lakers (especially the 1991 Bulls), can't muster up the proper amount of hatred for this Maverick team, then how are the Lakers going to have the proper motivation to beat this team next year. These Mavs lull teams to sleep and then come back and bite you in the end. It's like teams build a lead on them, start remembering how soft they used to be, and then get surprised at the end by a team that is mentally tough. Between Dirk, Kidd, and Terry, these guys hit super clutch shots.

While I'm glad the Mavs are beating the Heat at this point, I'm concerned about the motivation levels of the Lakers for next year. That sweep stung big time, yet, I still don't feel that stung. Losing this year hurt, but did it really hurt that bad to make our team want to come out next year and prove a point? It seemed that the team was glad it was over. I know Phil Jackson was glad.

Here's to coming back strong next year with strong motivation to beat every single team in the NBA, including the Mavs and the Heat.

Go Lakers!

Looks like I got a quick fix working while the twitter option is down.

In regard to Miami's failures in the closing minutes against Dallas, why is so much blame being placed on Miami? When Durant and the Thunder could not finish in the closing minutes, they were blamed. When Kobe and the Lakers could not finish in the closing minutes, they were blamed. At what point do we stop saying that the Lakers, Thunder, and Heat choked or beat themselves? It looks like Dallas is deserving of the credit for beating these teams. I can't explain exactly how they're doing it but according to the scoreboard, they're getting it done. It's not over yet as they still have to win a tough game in Miami's arena but the ball is in their court now.

Hoopsworld's Eric Pincus would be in favor of the Lakers trading Lamar Odom for Ellis.

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1001 reasons why Hoopsworld isn't Hoopdata.

#3. See Pincus, Eric.

Of course, Jerry West would LOVE that trade.

Just as Pincus would've also & probably "favored" Worthy for Stackhouse.

@Nuggets – congrats on the Friedman. I agree 100%.

@Rocky – I already have a healthy dislike for Dallas…but I’d rather see them holding up the trophy than Miami. I will say I’ve felt more respect for Dirk since for he handled that incident with his “fiance” who tried to swindle him.

@Bay to LA – Dallas definitely won last night game…as opposed to Miami losing it. You’re right, they deserve the credit. BTW…what’s your quick fix?

LRob

"@Bay to LA – Dallas definitely won last night game…as opposed to Miami losing it. You’re right, they deserve the credit. BTW…what’s your quick fix?

LRob"

I made up a new yahoo email address in 30 seconds and signed in with it. I actually like this one better because my name shows up how I want it to.

Today’s song is in honor of Jason Eugene Terry lights out shooting last night….

Jet – Paul & the Wings (#7 in 1974) – with slight lyrical change :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFjTN11CnNY

Jet…
I can almost remember
The funny faces
That time you told us
That Lebron couldn’t hold you for seven games

And Jet, I thought
The only lonely person was Lebron James

Jet, ooh, Jet, ooh

Jet, is your Dirk one of the
best shooters ever?
Oh, I know he told you
That you hardly helped enough yet?

And Jet, I know your Cuban
is an owner without any regrets

Jet, ooh, Jet, ooh

Ah, mater, want Jet to win one more game
Ah, mater, want Jet to win one more game


LRob

Bay to LA - I tried that and it didn't quite work out. Hmmm, I'll give it another try. Thanks.

"If I, a life long Lakerfan who hated anyone who beats the Lakers (especially the 1991 Bulls), can't muster up the proper amount of hatred for this Maverick team, then how are the Lakers going to have the proper motivation to beat this team next year.
Posted by: Rocky | June 10, 2011 at 11:24 AM "

You might not have to. After all of these years, this is the first time Dallas and the Lakers met up. Dallas has a lot of players getting older and I think they have quite a few guys that are free agents after this season. I don't think Dallas is starting a dynasty down there or anything. Dallas is playing like this is their one shot to get it done and they might be right.

"Bay to LA - I tried that and it didn't quite work out. Hmmm, I'll give it another try. Thanks."

It worked without a problem for me but it might be harder with your screen name. When I made the account, my first name is "Bay to" and my last name is "La". I don't know if there is a way to change the way it displays so "LRob" might be a tricky one to pull off.

The Lakers throwing Brian Shaw under the bus doesn't sit well with me.

It sounds like Mike Brown got the job because he displayed an encyclopedic knowledge of every player on the Lakers' roster, including great depth of the their strengths and weaknesses and how they can potentially be optimized/mitigated.

Sounds like he'd make an amazing scout.

An AMAZING scout.

Yeah...

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Posted by: www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawn4EQ5LBrg8co8TTwBuNxRn7nO-lqyuZYs | June 10, 2011 at 11:42 AM

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Maybe I'm missing something but:

Click on the Posted by: link [ www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawn4EQ5LBrg8co8TTwBuNxRn7nO-lqyuZYs ] to your Typepad Profile.

Then click on Account (upper right corner of the Typepad Profile page).

You should see a field for Display Name.

Man Jason Terry's 3 pointer over Lebronz was a highlight real...

after Mavs took down the Lakers, nothing has been stopping them, I'm starting to think now, that Lakers were the only obsticle in the Mavs road to the ring, once we went down, everyone started to fall..

If anyone deserves a ring, it should be the couple of players from the Mavs team...

Dirk
Chandler
Carlisle
JT
JJ
Jkidd

thats it, no one else deserves a ring in that team!

I'm enjoying watching Dallas. They are not the most atheltic team in the playoffs. But they play hard for 24 seconds of every posession at both ends and they play as a team at both ends. They work hard for good shots and don't seem to care who scores. Everybody touches the ball.


Sound familiar? It is the what the Lakers when were doing when they were winning. This year the Lakers played for 10-15 seconds of every possession. Failed to play help D or help the helper. Rotations were slow. There was a lot of concern over who had touches on offense. There was a "me" focus and a lack of the kind of commitment to full effort and team sacrifice that it takes to win.


Miami has more talent but they have their hands full because Dallas is really a team. There was a great piece in the Wall Street Journal showing that successful teams tend to touch each other more - high fives, butt pats. Some guys have been counting them as stats and found a correlation to winning (Boston and LA led the league in touches last year). In these Finals Dallas is more touchy almost 2-1. Miami is a great collection of talent, but they have not yet bought in to each other as a team.

@ Jon K.
The Lakers throwing Brian Shaw under the bus doesn't sit well with me.


Agree with that 100%....
as I mentioned earlier, I was watching the year 2000 western conference finals Lakers vs Portland Game 7. 3rd nd 4th quarter Lakers were down, Mr Brian Freaking Shaw, start nailing 3's to bring the lakers back up from a 15 point deficit to tie it in the fourth with 3 min left to play, then the black mamba #8 and big Shaq took over the game and we advanced to the Finals!

How can you forget Bshaw man?

"The Lakers throwing Brian Shaw under the bus doesn't sit well with me.

It sounds like Mike Brown got the job because he displayed an encyclopedic knowledge of every player on the Lakers' roster, including great depth of the their strengths and weaknesses and how they can potentially be optimized/mitigated.

Sounds like he'd make an amazing scout.

An AMAZING scout.

Yeah...

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | June 10, 2011 at 11:48 AM "

I would hope Brian Shaw doesn't take it personally. I don't think the choice has anything to do with his abilities or that it even means they think Mike Brown is a better coach. They lost, they want change, and unfortunately for Brian, that meant bringing in a new coaching philosophy.

Hopefully he'll get his chance someday.

from a previous post:
>>>Rumors say Lakers are possibly interested in a deal with the T-Wolves for
>>>the #2 pick in the draft. That supposedly will be Derrick William, a 6', 8",
>>>235 lb forward from Arizona who some say ois the best player available this
>>>year.
>>>
>>>But the Wolves want Pau in exchange.
>>>Seems a stretch but if the Lakers could Williams and a Wolves PG and
>>>pieces well, who knows.

Actually, it sounds like this rumor got twisted around. The original source said that the Timberwolves were hoping to trade the #2 pick as part of a package to get someone like Pau Gasol or JaVale McGee.

It didn't express ANY interest by the Lakers.

I could believe that rumor. Minnesota HOPES it could turn the #2 pick and a few pieces into a star.

But to turn that around and claim that the Lakers are trying to trade for the #2 pick is a different story, and the original source (Chad Ford) never said anything of the kind.

Pincus expands on the Minnesota rumor -

He suggests that the Lakers might consider it if it was the #2 pick and Kevin Love, but they probably wouldn't go for the #2 pick and spare parts not including Love.

Tech N9ne:

Not to mention the Shaw-Shaq redemption.

If you're a fan of the "old school" leftovers, then Dallas is your pick to win. Members of the Heat will just have to wait a little longer. One more win for the "old guys" and let's face it: if this series goes 7 games and Dallas wins it all, it will be considered one of the great series in the Finals. It's so hard to determine who will win each game except for the 1st and 5th. The other 3 were "nail biters" for fans and cheerleaders for both teams. I have a feeling Miami is going to win game 6 by 10pts and then lose to Dallas in game 7 by 2pts. It's really been that kind of a series. Buckle up and enjoy. Oh yeah: No team has choked in this series; the better team has simply one each contest. Great, great Finals. Stern should be very happy.

What up LTLF

Good grief! Took me most of the afternoon to finally get in here with Google signin. Twitter signin is bad with Typepad linkage right now.

MM: Thanks for the Friedman!

This Finals shows us (who knows about the FO?) how important it is to get a couple of knock down shooters to help the current crew. As I have said 100 times, Pau is our best trade chip IMO, but LO could also get us good players if done right. Basically LO is our second team PG/PointF right now and unless we get a couple of quicker PGs with 3pt shooting expertise I don't think we can give up LO no matter how inconsistent he is/has been.

Pau and his attitude problems all season would put him on my trade list if I was GM....but not just to get rid of him and his attitude, but to really improve this team. I can't be involved with trade machine specifics because who knows when the new CBA will come and what it will have for restrictions, but Pau could get us a 3pt shooting and quick PG with another big who could bang (example: Kevin Love + Flynn/Telfair or even better David Lee/Curry). We may be able to pickup a quick PG-shooter with our trade exception, if it still exists after the new CBA. A BIG who bangs-rebounds and plays D is as important a get as we have this off-season, to assist AB/PG/LO with minutes when they break down, as we all know they will for portions of the season. TR and JS were supposedly MKs assets to do that, but PJ's mindset threw them under the bus, and now one year later their value has expired for actual real game minutes, so we need to reload and not some retread at this backup spot either! Remember, this certain kind of big will also pickup points that Pau had with putbacks and second chances by others. The 3pt shooters will get the rest, as will Kobe being more open with the right help. I really wish they would figure out a way to have DeAndre Jordan move his stuff down the hall to the Lakers locker room.

It may end up Jerry Buss has to go for a record payroll of $95M+ to get the pieces we need for the next 3 years of potential Kobe ring runs.

I would trade Pau for Kevin Love, the #2 pick, and whatever else will close the deal in a heartbeat. As far as I'm concerned, Pau has not sufficiently explained why he gave up on his team. I have been watching pro ball for over 40 years and I have never seen a star player quit on his team like that. He has lost all credibility with me. I have no confidence in him. So "don't let the doorknob hit cha Pau!"


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