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Lakers have limited history with NBA draft lottery

53759022In another sign of the Lakers' storied success, they're nearly complete strangers to the NBA draft lottery.

Even with L.A. losing in embarrassing fashion this postseason, falling in a four-game sweep to the Dallas Mavericks in the Western Conference semifinals, the ramifications for the team's busy off-season could be a lot worse. At least, the Lakers don't have to attend the NBA draft lottery, scheduled for Tuesday at 5:30 p.m.

The Lakers and mediocrity have proved to be such an unfamiliar pairing that the organization has only been a part of two lotteries since the system's inception 26 years ago. But those two times should still spark some good memories, such as drafting Eddie Jones and Andrew Bynum with the No. 10 pick in 1994 and 2005, respectively. Below is a look at the lead-up heading into both of those drafts, including the Lakers' initial expectations before and after the draft and how those picks turned out for the organization's future. 

1994 NBA Draft

Lakers' pre-draft expectations: The Lakers entered the draft loaded at the shooting guard spot with Anthony Peeler, Doug Christie, Sedale Threatt and Tony Smith. They also came off a 33-49 season that lacked much front-line scoring and rebounding. Yet Executive Vice President Jerry West maintained that he'd take the best player available because he had a quality pick. "We think that the best player will be a guard at that spot, and we're simply going to take the best player," West told The Times' Scott Howard-Cooper. "When you're drafting a little bit later, you can take someone who has a special skill. But you want to take the best basketball player at this position."

Howard-Cooper reported that the Lakers probably were either going to select Jones, the Atlantic 10 Conference's player of the year; Khalid Reeves, a 6-3 guard who would give the Lakers a small backcourt considering Nick Van Exel was 6-1; or Carlos Rogers, whose 6-10 frame would give the Lakers more size compared with the 6-6 Christie and 6-7 George Lynch.

Lakers' assessment after drafting Jones: Howard-Cooper compared Jones' defense to that of former Laker Michael Cooper, who agreed, saying "it was like looking at a mirror image" and describing Jones as the "best athlete in the draft." Even though Howard-Cooper reported the Lakers tried to trade with the Seattle Supersonics in some fashion after they selected Rogers with the 11th pick, the organization sounded content with Jones, hoping he could jump-start an offense that averaged only 100.4 points per game in the 1993-94 season. The selection created a logjam for the Lakers with four shooting guards, but West and Coach Del Harris argued to Howard-Cooper that Jones would have no problem establishing his niche. 

"We're excited. Very excited. Going into the thing, we thought that there might be a small forward, which we've indicated is a need for us. But we just felt we could not pass on this kid," West said. "We indicated we were going to take the best player. And we felt he was the best player there, regardless of position."

"We have some big guards; we'll just have to see," Harris said. "I don't get into those positioning things much. I worked with Don Nelson for a number of years, and one of the things I learned from Don Nelson is to ignore the positioning and play the player. That's the thing about Eddie. We'll just call him a ballplayer and stick him out there."

How it turned out: Jones averaged 14 points per game and 2.1 steals per game in his rookie season and finished fourth in rookie-of-the-year balloting, earned a spot on the Western Conference All-Star team in 1996-96 and 1997-98 and then earned NBA All-Defensive second team honors in both the 1997-98 and 1998-99 campaigns. Jones defined his five seasons with the Lakers by showcasing a dependable mid-range jumper, mentoring a then-young Kobe Bryant once he entered the league in 1996-97 and hustled on defense. The Lakers eventually traded Jones and Elden Campbell to the Charlotte Hornets on March 10, 1999 for B.J. Armstrong, J.R. Reid and Glen Rice.

2005 NBA Draft

Lakers' pre-draft expectations: The Times' Mike Bresnahan reported that the Lakers would look for either a post player or a point guard. The possibilities Bresnahan found included Fran Vazquez, a 22-year-old, 6-foot-10 power forward from Spain; Martynas Andriuskevicius, a 7-3 center from Lithuania who Bresnahan considered had a "good touch" and "defensive presence"; or North Carolina point guard Raymond Felton, a 6-foot junior who led the Atlantic Coast Conference in assists and three-point accuracy. Lakers General Manager Mitch Kupchak cautioned to Bresnahan that the organization's pick would likely be a long-term project. 

""I think it's unlikely that any player drafted 10 through 20 would make an immediate impact," Kupchak said at the time. "You hope that he can play a little bit, make a contribution. If you're a top four or five pick, you'll probably get a guy who's going to start for you."

Lakers' assessment after drafting Bynum: The Times' Mark Heisler reported that Lakers Coach Phil Jackson wasn't crazy over the Lakers drafting Bynum since he was the youngest player ever selected in the NBA draft (18 years, six days) and would be a long-term project. But as Heisler mused about Lakers owner Jerry Buss, "The good news for the franchise was, Buss didn't care." Also, Heisler highlighted concern about Bynum's medical history, a sign of things to come. 

How it turned out: Flashes of potential mixed with extensive injuries truly tested the organization's patience with Bynum yet also revealed its reluctance to give up on him. It was bad enough that Bryant argued in a profanity-laced rant in 2007 that the Lakers should've traded him for Jason Kidd. It was even worse that Bynum kept suffering injury after injury, ranging from playing in only 35 games in the 2007-08 season because of a dislocated right knee cap after landing awkwardly on Lamar Odom's foot, and playing in only 50 games the next season after tearing his medial collateral ligament when he collided into Bryant.

That left some Laker fans wondering if it was worth it for the organization to sign him to a four-year, $58-million deal before the start of the 2008-09 season. It took a while. but Bynum started showing his true value the following two seasons. He didn't escape injury in the 2009-10 campaign, missing the last 13 regular season games because of a strained left Achilles' tendon and suffering a lateral meniscus tear in his right knee in Game 6 of the first-round matchup against Oklahoma City. But he played through the pain and still made a difference with his length, size and presence to give the Lakers an edge in the 2010 NBA playoffs.

He again frustrated some fans with his controversial decision to delay surgery on his right knee so he could attend the World Cup, resulting in him missing the first 24 games of the season. But that also pointed to his doctor not having appointments available 10 days earlier like Bynum had hoped and his desire for the tear to heal completely. Bynum responded with a strong defensive presence and his best postseason yet, showing that his future can indeed be bright -- assuming he stays healthy, of course. 

-- Mark Medina

E-mail the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com

Photo: Eddie Jones. Credit: Otto Greule, Allsport / Dec. 10, 1997

 
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Edd-ie! Edd-ie! Edd-ie!

Like ya Fish, but gotta move on with the League. Lakers cannot win without a CP or DWill. The League has changed. We (Lakers) better get on board NOW!

Eddie was my favorite player from that era.

He was so smooth slashing to the rim, he could nail the mid range jumper, and was an excellent defensive player.

I remember being so heart broken when that trade was announced.

Eddie Jones was my favorite player too!

Dudette...Mary when Eddie Jones played for the Lakers you were 3-4 years old, if you're 14 today....WHAT'S UP with that.

Mary Chandler,


You wrote the other day that you turned 14 years young last month. If that's the case, you would've been what, 2 years old when Eddie Jones was traded in March of 1999??? How could he have been your favorite player? Why would you lie about your age?

Always feeling by correcting, over compensating and injuries, when you start that spiral holding on to sides of the toilet can’t save you. Kobe can't be your first option, when next season roll around and he's number one in the pecking order...Kobe pass the POPCORN another year wasted. And another TITLE for the KING, now stop HATEN.


Posted by: G.Money | May 17, 2011 at 02:03 PM

Hey G.Money why don't you worry about how your team the Miami Heat-less; is going to get a win tomorrow over the Bulls a team that's beaten you 4 straight times.And they'hv serverly dominated you on the boards, with second chance shots.
Instead of you talking about Lbj winning another title,lets remember he's yet to win his 1st title. And talking about gripping the toilet,if the Heat don't win tomorrow your going to have diarrehea.

Go Bulls!

Eddie jones was one of my fav Lakers,i wish he would have gotten a ring with one Laker team for his hard work during those loosing seasons as one of our better Laker players.But a guy name Kobe came along and made Eddie absolete,but big ups to Eddie.

Go Lakers!

Sorry to go off topic, but I'm watching the first quarter of the Mavs-Thunder game, and here's a prediction...the Mavs 3-pt shooting, which was blazing, smoking hot against the Lakers, is going to be very otdinary (or less) in this series. Reason: unlike the Lakers, the Thunder play solid team defense. The Mavs aren't going to have wide open shots, and what's more, Barea is not going to look like he's cruising at will around soccer cones.

This game is really showing how unbelievably lazy, slow, and unmotivated the Lakers played against the Mavs. As a result, the Mavs are going to be stunned at actually having to play a team that's really energized and ready to run them ragged. Should be very interesting to see how this series progresses (i.e., see if the Mavs can re-group and ratchet up their game now that they see that the Thunder won't roll over like the Lakers did).

Mary Chandler,


You wrote the other day that you turned 14 years young last month. If that's the case, you would've been what, 2 years old when Eddie Jones was traded in March of 1999??? How could he have been your favorite player? Why would you lie about your age?
Posted by: Ludwig | May 17, 2011 at 06:18 PM

LUDWIG,

My family has sooooo much Lakers old videos recorded as well as Michael Jordan's old videos recorded.

This is why I am very knowledgeable about LA Lakers & Chicago Bulls because of my older brothers are NBA fanaticals....

My last name is Chandler too.... just a hint

that's LA Times....

Mary Chandler,


You wrote the other day that you turned 14 years young last month. If that's the case, you would've been what, 2 years old when Eddie Jones was traded in March of 1999??? How could he have been your favorite player? Why would you lie about your age?
Posted by: Ludwig | May 17, 2011 at 06:18 PM

LUDWIG,

My family has sooooo much Lakers old videos recorded as well as Michael Jordan's old videos recorded.

This is why I am very knowledgeable about LA Lakers & Chicago Bulls because of my older brothers are NBA fanaticals....

My last name is Chandler too.... just a hint.... LA Times!!!!

Eddie Jones was a good player, the problem was he usually disappeared in the playoffs while played well during regular season.

I saw it! It is very sorry!

Eddie Jones and Van Excel are not my favorite players, Shaq felt sad when he came in LA and played with these two guys. Eddie is regular season player, in the playoffs, Shaq passed him the ball and he missed the shots. Van Excel is not a PG, he was shooting guard. I remember it's sad to see Shaq lost to Utah.

To think it "could have been" the Lakers and UCLA's Jordan Farmar( our point guard of the future that we gave up on and let walk for DFish & Steve "The Brick" Blake) playing the young monsters of OKC featuring KD and UCLA's point guard Russel Westbrook in the Western Conf finals...what a shame. We failed this year because of this decision last year by the Lakers front Office...pisses me off because I knew it. Jordan should have been giving the reigns to run this team with Fish as his backup(and Blake playing in the D-league)...damit Janet!

My apologies, MARY... If I was a bit harsh on you earlier (a few weeks ago), I'm sorry for that as well. I just thought you were living in a fantasy world proposing the trades you were (wanting every top baller in a Laker Jersey).

By the way, clue me into what you mean here:

"My last name is Chandler too.... just a hint.... LA Times!!!!"

My apologies, MARY... If I was a bit harsh on you earlier (a few weeks ago), I'm sorry for that as well. I just thought you were living in a fantasy world proposing the trades you were (wanting every top baller in a Laker Jersey).

By the way, clue me into what you mean here:

"My last name is Chandler too.... just a hint.... LA Times!!!!"

Posted by: Ludwig | May 17, 2011 at 07:17 PM

Ludwig,

My grandfather or rather my grandparents once owned 100% of LA Times at one point..... have you heard of OTIS Chandler or your downtown The Dorothy Chandler Pavillion.... (I live in Paris at the moment)

Oclezy-Dude....How can you comment regarding the LBJ winning his first title, the way the Lakers Embarssed the City of L.A., the organization and the fans with that cowardly HEARTLESS showing. It's not just a point guard you need, every player on that team should be on the TABLE.

When the heck did Dirk 'I shoot falling away turning around on one foot and it always goes in' Nowitski become so good? Not saying he was a slouch before, but he is looking damn near unstoppable with a beautiful stroke.

KobeMVP888, the PSP still has a warrant out for you ....

Thanks
PSP Officer

(I live in Paris at the moment)

Posted by: mary chandler | May 17, 2011 at 07:37 PM

That's sweet, I love Paris!

Le Petit Chatelet, Le Train Bleu, Gyros everywhere...Fois Grais, ah, what a place.

Oh yes Cornerj okc played much better defense on Berea and Nowitski. And Nowitski does the bunny hop in the pea patch on every post up move. As we use to say in the playground take the bus next time. And you guys are way too young - the reason the lakers traded Eddie Jones is because he couldn't make an open jumper and the Kobe/shaq lakers were looking for that. So Glenn Rice came in and he was basically a waste of space.

Sorry to go off topic, but I'm watching the first quarter of the Mavs-Thunder game, and here's a prediction... The Mavs aren't going to have wide open shots, and what's more, Barea is not going to look like he's cruising at will around soccer cones.
Posted by: CornerJ | May 17, 2011 at 06:42 PM

are watching the game on the same SCREEN where you can also see Gasol setting HARD PICKS for Kobe?

JJ Barea had 12 straight points … for 21 from the bench on 8-12!

Change your glasses … wrong colors and concavity!

And it's called "Highway Cones" - especially for Fish.

G.Money,
Get out of here with that man,what do you mean every player should be on the table?Did Buss break up the team during the shaq,and Kobe error when they got sweep by the Spurs during their dynasty?Did they break up the Majic Johnson teams when they got sweep in the 80's? No dude,they just reloaded. That's should be the formula for their return to success.

Like i said your team better win tomorrow.But just incase you fall short, remember Kobe's got the POPCORN waiting for your guys.

Go Lakers!

I don't doubt you, Mary, (I thought you were related to Raymond Chandler, just joking) but please try to be a bit more realistic with your trade proposals. I know you're young, but the Lakers can't go out and get Blake Griff, CP3 and Dwight Howard, etc., etc.


Keep it real, as they say.


Good luck on becoming the first female GM in the NBA!


Posted by: HmrHed | May 17, 2011 at 09:05 PM

HmrHed,

You are absolutely right! Eddie was likable that all I am saying.... but NBA is pure entertainment and business (MONEY)!!!

Majority of the players are expendable....

G.Money,
Get out of here with that man,the Lakers don't need to trade the whole team.I'm sure you don't believe that.When the Lakers got sweep by the Spurs during the Shaq,and Kobe dynasty they didn't trade the whole team.Even with the Majic Johnson Laker dynasty when his teams got sweep the same can be said.All the Lakers have to do is reload and they will be back to their succesful ways.
Like i said earlier your team better win tomorrow,or that same popcorn that Kobe and the rest of the Lakers are having,they're going to be sharing that with your boy Lbj.

Go Lakers!

Le Petit Chatelet, Le Train Bleu, Gyros everywhere...Fois Grais, ah, what a place.

Posted by: Magic Phil | May 17, 2011 at 08:55 PM

"Gyros everywhere...Fois Grais" - these 2 in the same sentence show a lack of … what will the french say: sophistication or palate? or Gyros: gourmet!

by the way: it's "foie gras" - and u can get away with it only with the renegade chat members - no cooks, and macaroni and cheese is the "daily value".

Greek or French: now that is the question?!

Like many others said EJ was one of my favorites also. I wish he would've won a ring before retiring.


Both were excellent draft picks if you see who were drafted before these guys although after Bynum, there were a few good players like Monta Ellis and Gortat. But if Bynum can stay healthy, it would be an excellent pick. I doubt he will be the best center in the league because of his injuries. Before his injuries, he had much more explosiveness, maybe not quite like Dwight Howard, but pretty close, and a much better post up game, but he lost a lot of that in the last couple of years. Definitely doesn't dunk as much. Out of the two drafts, with the 10th pick, they ended up getting the 3-4th best player in the draft.

Majority of the players are expendable....

Posted by: mary chandler | May 17, 2011 at 09:25 PM

Good point. And to keep the French theme, like Legionaries. They should be also be payed for the Job DONE, and not for future potential. And all that nostalgia.

Dirk Nowitzki just put on one of the greatest shooting demonstrations in the history of the NBA--maybe the best ever. 39 shots (15 field goals, 24 free throws), with 36 makes and 3 misses. Truly amazing.

I remember those years, we have Shaq, Eddie, Nick da quick, Rick Fox, Rob Horry, Kobe & Fish were newbies, Elden, Rooks and eliminated by Jazz Malone/Stockton coached by Sloan in the WCF while Lakers were under Del Harris. That the importance of coaching where we go all the way where others won't dare because they are satisfied with WCF. The year after, it was the * year, we have Harper, Scott, Fox, Shaq, JR, Rodman, Shaq, Horry and Glen Rice still short against Spurs. It is only in 2000 when we started winning under PJ. Even if you assemble the best players, if ur Coach has no balls to bring u to the top, then you always fall short during playoffs.

This is now my 5th post in raising the ante on choosing the right coach. The moral I'm driving at, take your time Mitch, Jim and Jerry...get out of the box, consult the legends on what is the best choice? or who else should be considered? Ask your sleek clientele owners of those club boxes, season ticket holders, the more the inputs, the merrier it will be. This is an important transition or decision for the Lakers. You make a mistake here, another repeat drama of Van Exel years and Kobe rants, another wasted year, another poor revenue for those businesses dependent on Lakers success.

@ Corner J - I think you spoke a little too soon tonight. Dallas toyed with OKC's defense. It's only one game, so I'm anxious to see what kind of adjustments coach Brooks make. They gotta make JKidd a scorer.

@PSP - Dirk has been great except for subpar Finals in 2006 and disappearing act in 2007. However, I do wish the refs would let the defense touch him just a little bit...oy vey.

Ludwig,

I agree with you 'for making it REAL.'

Cheers.

So now every time I see a Lakers got eliminated story the writer uses "embarrassing." not sure what the embarrassing part was exactly. They kept Dallas in the mid 90s for most of the series - tonight Dallas scored 121. Was it embarrassing getting swept? Seriously Who cares if the team loses in 4 or 7. Were the fouls embarrassing? I love these retired players calling the lakers out because they tried to show toughness in game 4 during a blow out. Their logic is they should have shown toughness earlier in the series. Yes. It's much more acceptable to lay someone out in a tie game. Huh?

Wow. Dallas has some hot hot hot scorers.

They got 93 points out of Dirk, Jason Terry, and JJ Barea in game 1. Oklahoma City was powerless to stop them. And Dallas' defense was good at slowing Westbrook.

I admit I've only been around this blog since 2008. But what's with heat fans in here. Seriously, I'm not sure they know they've won jack. To have no modesty or perspective when you've won nothing - now that's embarrassing.

Mary,

If you are indeed one of the Chandlers, your parents and grandparents abandoned LA Times like the O'Malley's getting out of Dodgers. Just dealing business baby, practically these families never thought of what would happen to LA tradition they have initiated. They were supported by fans and clientele but left in the woods on their own. Well, someday the Buss children could follow this profitable path too. It's all business, that's capitalism money begets money. The only people who have no vested interest here are the FANS. What they have all about passion and entertainment, we don't have salaries to blog, many are unemployed or under employed yet we try to go to the highest seat at Staples or watch the Lakers on TV to whilst time from stressful times. Few months from now the owners and players will be quarreling on how they will divide their loot from the fans, the fans have no representative to tell them both to bring down those salaries, tickets and cable rates. Nobody, nada, all we have is Mary Chandler, as one said the genetic lotto winner proposing the best of the best that she could probably buy.

My observations, as I noted, were early in the game (1st quarter). I also said I was interested in seeing how the Mavs would react to a team that fought back as the Thunder were doing and kept doing until the very end. To their credit, the Mavs answered the challenge, with Nowitzki, Barea, and Terry in particular playing great games.

I still note that the Thunder did a very good job of defending the 3s. Nowitzki had no 3s at all (an amazing stat given how many points he scored), and the Mavs as a team only shot 39.1% (9-23) on 3s for the entire game. I contend that the key to beating the Mavs is taking away their 3s. It wasn't enough to beat them tonight with Nowitzki's unbelievable shooting from everywhere else. We'll see as the series progresses.

Edwin stop acting simple - you're smarter than that. The owners and players will be dividing the fans' money - you said it. Ergo the fans have more power than the owners and players. Yet the fans are too self indulgent and undisciplined to exercise that power. That's the fans' problem not the problem of the owners, players or la times.

Edwin,


"genetic lotto winner" was a phrase I used in connection with Jim Buss trying to prove his lucky station in life. The old man, as in Jerry, EARNED his stripes. The son INHERITED the Lake Show. So he must prove that he's actually worth the shinny prize.


By the way, I agree with everything you wrote in your post -- the owners and players will squabble over acres of green, while the little people, as in the fans, shall be screwed out of their hard earned peanuts.


So it goes, as Vonnegut would say.

"Yet the fans are too self indulgent and undisciplined to exercise that power."


Pray tell, HmrHed, how would someone so smart and desciplined as yourself advise us fans in this situation to "exercise that power."


I'm all ears, as is Edwin I'm sure.

Eddie Jones... man, I liked the guy enough, but it appears most of you forgot how many times he choked in the playoffs. Bricks, missed layups, turnovers, playing like a scared rabbit. I agree with the poster above who said that it drove Shaq crazy to play with Eddie Jones because of his mad inconsistency.

Ludwig- I'm commenting on Edwin's comment "as is" - I didn't create the premise. This strike/lockout seems inevitable. But if "fans" want to avoid future ones 1. Reduce merchandise sales 2. Reduce attendance and keep it that way long term. I assure you you won't see another strike/lockout.

With the NFL now. All I hear everywhere is "we don't care what the reasons are we just want football" it's pathetic and it's an addiction. And the drug dealers continue to have the power.

That's my opinion.

" I love these retired players calling the lakers out because they tried to show toughness in game 4 during a blow out. Their logic is they should have shown toughness earlier in the series. Yes. It's much more acceptable to lay someone out in a tie game. Huh?

Posted by: HmrHed | May 17, 2011 at 09:52 PM
"

I have to agree to the max! Back-in-the-day that "flagrant" by LO would not even be called a foul! The shot by AB would have MAYBE had a foul called on it (McHale didn't get thrown out with his clothesline to Rambis, for an example everyone has see on video - just a basic fual call), but that's it! The overacting on the court by both the players and refs has made it very distasteful to those of us from the old-school days to swallow. And I cringe and lose more respect for Magic every time he opens his yap about some PC (W)NBA type touch foul being abhorrant to him! What a joke! Magic was involved in that stuff back years ago also and never threw out apologies or 20 lashes garbage for those! If anyone saw that Jason Terry to Harden swim through move to get Harden's arm off him last night that barely made contact with Harden's chin, and then the way overreaction by Harden (you would have thought Harden just got tagged by Tyson with a right uppercut!) you see what I mean about Hollywood taking the ability of actual players to have a game called properly.

Did I see Dirk put a shoulder to Westbrook last night? Not even going for the ball. Where was that ejection?

G.Money,
Get out of here with that man,what do you mean every player should be on the table?Did Buss break up the team during the shaq,and Kobe error when they got sweep by the Spurs during their dynasty?Did they break up the Majic Johnson teams when they got sweep in the 80's? No dude,they just reloaded. That's should be the formula for their return to success.
Like i said your team better win tomorrow.But just incase you fall short, remember Kobe's got the POPCORN waiting for your guys.
Go Lakers!

Posted by: OCLEZY | May 17, 2011 at 09:09 PM

Dude…C’mon, no Shaq/Kobe or Magic/Kareem team has ever got BEATDOWN and EMBARRSSED as much as this GUTLESS and HEARTLESS team repeatedly all season. The way they all QUIT, 36 that’s right a 36 point @zz kicking. They should all return their last game pay to the Organization for a DONATION to the COWARDLY LION’S Association. What do think is going to happen next season? Adding a point guard is not going to save this team, this teams mentality is to take a blowout lose with a grain of salt, they PARTY after beat downs with no SHAME. Same core of players and you get the same results, now Kobe will you please pass the POPCORN you hog.

Dude..L.O. needs to pack up that 6th man thropy ASAP and ship it OVERNITE to the JET.

I figured it out. The FO isn't in a hurry to hire a new coach because Jerry Buss' Chuck Daily clone won't be ready until the end of July!

JR

Ok now I’m mad. Dirt got 24 free throws???? 24 ?????? For a 7 footer doing a step back falling away jump shot??? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME???? Did Kobe even get 24 FT’s combined for the entire series?? Seriously. Explain this to me cuz I just don’t get it. The only rational explanation is that the refs have it out for Kobe and the Lakers. What else makes any kind of sense?? Darth Stern is pure evil and HE MUST BE DESTROYED.


Side notes:


mclyne - still haven't seen if you got the link I posted for you?! :)

archived - you must live a very boring life if all you can do is go on the RC, lurk like an idiot, and then post comments about us on here. I pity you.


And you guys aren't really falling for the crap this "mary chandler" person is posting are you? HAHAA!!! It's a troll for pete's sake.

>>>I admit I've only been around this blog since 2008. But what's with heat fans
>>> in here. Seriously, I'm not sure they know they've won jack. To have no
>>> modesty or perspective when you've won nothing - now that's embarrassing

Well, as we all know, the NBA world revolves around the Lakers.

And thus, the LA Times Lakers Blog is the center of the NBA fan universe.

Whenever some upstart team is facing the Lakers, or even when they're not facing them but want to boast, they come here.

At least Celtics fans mostly waited until they actually had secured a title vs the Lakers before getting too boastful. Since then the fans from other teams have been like waves crashing on the shores of the Lakers blog. Phoenix fans, Utah fans, Orlando fans, ... whatever.

The Heat are just a little too smug - having a victory parade before they've won anything. Thus I think they deserve to cool their jets for awhile. I think they'll eventually get a ring (maybe more than one if they do a good job of adding role players). But not this year.

and once again the Clippers manage to screw up a lottery.

They gave away their lottery pick in the Baron Davis for Mo Williams deal.

It turned out to be the #1 pick. So now instead of having Kyrie Irving or Jimmer Fredette or Kemba Walker to pair up with Gordon/Griffin, they only have Mo Williams.

Nice for Cleveland, though. They have both the #1 and #4 picks.

>>>Yes. It's much more acceptable to lay someone out in a tie game. Huh?


Actually, it's much smarter.

The Lakers could see from game 1 that JJ Barea was regularly getting by his first defender and getting to the rim for a layup.

In the 80's, after it happened 1 or 2 times, one of the bigs would have made a motion like they were going for the ball and smacked Barea to the ground like a little bug. The next time he came in the lane... same thing. Granted, he'd get some free throws. But after that, for the whole series, whenever he drove into the lane, he'd be anticipating getting hit by a truck, so his shot would be just slightly altered - maybe just enough to bring his short shot % down from 80% to 40%.

The Lakers don't need to worry about the draft much because the free agent market is where they need to focus their attention. Here are 3 names that can be had for low prices and would fill immediate areas of need. 1) TJ Ford PG Indiana, a quick guy looking to start and if healthy very effective. 2) JR Smith Denver only 25 and a Laker nemisis that can shoot 3's. He will be expensive but a perfect fit for out god awful bench. 3) Here is the key....Fesenko from Utah. 7'1 275lbs and can catch the ball and play position defense. He would solidify the bench at minimal price. 3 7-footers would make this team unbeatable.

So I wonder what draft picks will be for sale and if there's anyone the Lakers could pick up in the draft who could help (now that Jackson's gone and the new coach might actually give a young player some minutes).

Denver's buying of Minnesota's pick to get Ty Lawson still grates at me. The Lakers could have spent that 3 million, and they wouldn't have needed to sign Blake, and they'd already have their PG of the future and they might still be in the playoffs.

Word is that Minnesota is willing to move the #2 pick.

If the Lakers are really willing to "blow up" the team (which I doubt), what would you think of this trade (I'm sure LakerTom will hate it):

Andrew Bynum for a package deal including some subset of:
Michael Beasley
Darko Milicic
the rights to Ricky Rubio
the #2 pick in the draft
Luke Ridnour
Anthony Randolph

Note that Bynum is a perfect fit for Minnesota. He's IDEAL to put next to Kevin Love in the front court (Bynum's more of a post player, Love can step outside). He already knows the triangle. He'd be a featured offensive player on the team, so he'd be happier.

While the Lakers would lose a superior player at one position, they'd gain several good players (and young for the most part) to increase their depth. Depth & athleticism hurt them vs Dallas - this could remedy that.

There are a ton of variations possible. I know it would hurt a lot to lose Bynum, but consider what they could get back...

Let's say Beasley, the #2 pick, and the rights to Rubio. So you use the #2 pick on Enes Kanter. Then you have your PG of the future (I'm positive Rubio would quit stalling and come to the NBA if it was to play for the Lakers instead of the Twolves), a PF/C for the future in Kanter, and another big scorer off the bench in Beasley.

Or, let's say it's Darko, the #2 pick, and Rubio. Now you've got the PG in Rubio, you use the #2 pick to choose a scorer like Fredette or Williams, and Darko can backfill the defensive/rebounding/blocking part of Bynum's game. Or if you don't trust Rubio enough, then use the #2 pick to draft another PG, either Kemba Walker or Jimmer Fredette. Then you have two possible guys to fill the PG of the future role, so you can dump Blake and phase out Fish.

Note that Minnesota is under the salary cap so could take on more salary than they send out...

So it would also help the Lakers financial situation. They'd be getting 3 usable players for less money than they're paying Bynum.

Or, if Mitch was really working his Pau-for-Kwame level mojo, how about this deal:

Bynum + Ebanks + Caracter + future 1st round pick
for
Darko + Beasley + Rubio + #2 pick

(note that the trade here is really Bynum for 3 players and a draft pick - Ebanks and Caracter are mostly to match player counts, and to give Minnesota a couple of young players with at least some upside)

What do you think?

And you guys aren't really falling for the crap this "mary chandler" person is posting are you? HAHAA!!! It's a troll for pete's sake.

Posted by: justanothermambafan | May 18, 2011 at 08:30 AM

JustAnotherMAMBAFA,

I guess you saw my post stating that 'Black Mamba' is the worst nickname ever...

Another thing, trade your MAMBA & Pau & Barnes & Brown & Steve Blake & (both Fisher & Luke to go along with it...LOL) for Dwight, Cp3, Blake Griffin & Kevin Durant

(Note: Although, I am Kobe fan, but I am just soooo tired of his immature sportsmanship.... the 'me-me first' option thing or rather, the I am first, Pau is second and Drew is third in the line.... MJ would never say those idiotic statements, you know why? Because MJ proves it on the court!

Lakers' Roster for Next Year:

Bynum
Dwight
Blake Griffin
DuRANT
CP3

Bench:

Odom,Yao Ming, Steve Nash, Artest, Raja Bell, and two solid 3 point specialist....

This what I would do!

JustAnotherMAMBAFAn,

I guess you saw my post stating that 'Black Mamba' is the worst nickname ever...

Another thing, trade your MAMBA & Pau & Barnes & Brown & Steve Blake & (both Fisher & Luke to go along with it...LOL) for Dwight, Cp3, Blake Griffin & Kevin Durant

(Note: Although, I am Kobe fan, but I am just soooo tired of his immature sportsmanship.... the 'me-me first' option thing or rather, the I am first, Pau is second and Drew is third in the line.... MJ would never say those idiotic statements, you know why? Because MJ proves it on the court!

Lakers' Roster for Next Year:

Bynum
Dwight
Blake Griffin
DuRANT
CP3

Bench:

Odom,Yao Ming, Steve Nash, Artest, Raja Bell, and two solid 3 point specialist....

Now, we can compete both Miami and Bulls and Dallas...

Eddie Jones was the man. His defense was incredible, and his play was smooth and sublime, too bad he disappeared in the playoffs otherwise he could have had a couple of titles with Shaq. Just another roadkill in the legend of Kobe, unfortunately....

@justanothermambafan

The reason Kobe didn't get many calls is because he doesn't attack the basket like he used to. I hope he can regain some of his old explosiveness. Regardless of where Kobe is physically next year, I agree with Mary Chandler, Kobe needs to man up and quit his "I'm the number 1 option" crap. You go with the flow of the game and how you match up against an oppenent. It was really sad to see Peja guarding Kobe one-on-one and Kobe didn't make him pay for it. And newsflash G.Money, if the Lakers had a halfway decent PG (Fisher is a SG, not a PG) such as Felton or Barea, Bynum and Gasol would have an alley-oop party all day long.

HmrHed --

You have a good point vis-a-vis the fans. They should stay away, but good luck on that one. Even in baseball, after the missed world series in 1994, the fans did stay away for a while, until MLB looked the other way while its ballplayers juiced up and hit balls out of the park like never before. Soon, thereafter, the fans returned.


Fans are generally mindless.


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