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Kobe Bryant fined more than Joakim Noah for using anti-gay slur

6a00d8341c506253ef014e60e80065970c-800wiThe NBA issued Bulls forward Joakim Noah a $50,000 fine for uttering an anti-gay slur during Chicago's Game 3 loss to Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals a little more than a month after issuing a $100,000 fine to Lakers guard Kobe Bryant for the same offense.

There are a few similarities in each episode. The NBA described Noah's outburst as "derogatory and offensive; Commissioner David Stern had called Bryant's slur "offensive and inexcusable."  Each player followed with apologies. And each episode raised questions on whether players truly understand that shouting homophobic slurs mean more than just heat-of-the moment outbursts and trash talk.

There apparently was one key difference, however. Bryant shouted at referee Bennie Adams, while Noah shouted his at a fan, with the league acknowledging to various outlets that "Kobe's fine included discipline for verbal abuse of a game official." But that discrepancy only opens up even more concerns beyond the evidence that the NBA's recent public service announcement denouncing the use of anti-gay slurs has fallen on deaf ears.

There's no justification for distinguishing the fines between Noah and Bryant. Issuing a lesser fine to Noah seems to imply that it's not as egregious to direct that slur toward a fan than an official, making it apparent the NBA worries more about its own employees than the paying customer. Distinguishing the severity of fines also sends a message that the slur isn't as offensive in certain circumstances. And any attempt at trying to adjust a fine based on a players' salary misses the whole point. Both Bryant and Noah can easily afford this fine, but traffic tickets aren't weighted for the same reasons this fine shouldn't be weighted. The punishment is supposed to fit for the crime itself being committed. Regardless of any of the league's reasoning, the NBA comes off poorly for trying to distinguish a punishment that's equally offensive regardless of who uttered the slur and to whom.

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--Mark Medina

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Photo: Los Angeles Lakers' Kobe Bryant sits on the bench after getting a technical foul during a basketball game against the San Antonio Spurs in L.A. April 12, 2011. Credit: Lucy Nicholson / Reuters

 
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Kobe is a bigger face of the NBA.

Kobe's was in response to an NBA official's call and Joakim's was in response to a rowdy fan that was heckling him.

Both deserved punishment and both were in the wrong but I can understand how Kobe's fine would be greater. Actually, if you look at the fines as a percentage of the player's salaries, Joakim's fine is much greater. $50K represents 1.59% of Joakim's salary this year. $100k represented only 0.40% of Kobe's salary.

Bay to LA - I don't care if Kobe is a bigger face to the NBA or if Noah earns less. The punishment should be equal to everyone because that sends the clear message.

I can see both sides of it but I don't think I would have wanted to see someone like Trey Johnson fined 100,000 dollars for saying something out of line when he probably didn't even earn that much all season.

OCLEZY -Dude...I've been here all season and also on the Heat blog. But I just get a pleasure off of Laker fans. It's like BEATING an OLD WEAZLE, it talks crap all season and can't back it up.... you know like the LAKERHOLICS. Now their MONKY @zz has to pay the PRICE, it only hurts when you tighten up...relax. Just sit back on the couch and ENJOY the KING, as he continue to BEAT the CRAP out those BABY BULL'S. Don't HATE, just APPRECIATE.

Noah's fine should be higher as Bryant's should have served as a warning.

In response to Bay to LA's quote:

I agree with you. Great research and analyzing of breaking down the percentage it affected on the two players' salaries.

Big star or not, Noah should have been fined MORE if anything. Why? Kobe was the example, his is a repeat offense. Kobe's was directed towards a ref, a component of play - Noah made his comment towards a fan.

Frankly, this is wrong. At least the same fine as Kobe would have been merited.

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LakerTom: Great post at 2:01pm. I'm in agreement with what you write, from the coaching angle to the top-need being a point guard.

How about a guy like Stephen Curry who can provide distribution and speed, but also shooting which we desperately need too. If the Nuggets don't want to carry two point guards maybe they would move Raymond Felton who could add quickness and defense. Perhaps the Mavs won't want to keep Roddy Beaubois now that Barrea has emerged behind Kidd. Those are just a few that might be available without the top price a CP3 would command.

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hobbit: Two seven-footers worked for the Rockets with Sampson/Olajuwon. In the latter years the Lakers had two slow-footed frontcourt guys in Rambis/Kareem. Slow-footed Shaq and an aging Horace Grant made it work. Not strictly 7-footers but slow/plodding-type guys.

Most importantly, we saw that two seven-footers does work for the Lakers as the previous 3 years illustrated. Frankly, if Pau wasn't distracted or whatever this year it would have worked again.

For what it's worth I was secretly happy that Ron Ron got suspended for that game during the playoffs letting Barnes come in. Didn't work but it is clear that Artest has lost a step and starting to show his age. He's still decent defensively but his offensive game is not the same.

As for Kobe, I agree he was running the offense. But we need more speed at the position that is why I would not be in favor Kobe taking over at the point. He would be worn down throughout the course of a season covering speedy guards on the defensive end, then handling possession under what would probably be a more traditional offense under a new head coach (meaning more point guard ball handling/distribution).


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Agree 100 % with you, Medina.

Bay to LA: "I can see both sides of it but I don't think I would have wanted to see someone like Trey Johnson fined 100,000 dollars for saying something out of line when he probably didn't even earn that much all season."
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That's a good point. Maybe the league should start fining them instead one games pay, whatever that might be. Suspension for repeat offenses.


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!

The league set a precedent with the $100k fine. They threw the book at Kobe and now realize they don't have the stones to uphold the indiscriminate amount they fined Kobe. Typical.

Mark

I agree with you totally..........but you have to realize that Kobe's fine had very little to do with justice............It was more personal against Kobe. Unfortunately for the league they didn't anticipate their overreaction to Kobe would come back to haunt them so quickly.

They created the standard when they fined Kobe............a standard that was rather excessive in my opinion. If Kobe had not been fined $100K and this was the first offense of anyone by Noah.................His penalty would have probably been around $10K

Whether you believe it or not there exist residual feelings from Colorado about Kobe that persist specifically among a certain segment of our population.............This segment also happens to be the majority of the owners of the teams, the decision makers at ESPN, The Editors at news outlets, and those who make decisions for major marketing and advertising in this country

There just is no logical explanation for the disparity of the two fines............a "gay slur"..........is a "gay slur"

Also.............If the league is working in tandem with the networks...........and the networks are working on a 7-second delay...................By whose permissive will does this even reach the camera to be broadcast?

Why not just censor it like latenight television.............is it me?

pfunk - Wow. We're in actual agreement this time! I'm going to savor this moment for a while

Idiots, both.

This is egregious!
Kobe got so much flack for this and Noah gets a slap on the tush!
I think he should get fined double, doing this after what happened to Kobe!
He should of known what was going to happen-he should be suspended for a game!!!!
Double-Standard!!!!

Mark Medina,

Once again, you are correct.

More objective proof that Laker haterism is the culture at the offices of Darth Stern.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Mark

I can't believe it either................but you're making a lot of sense. I looked for holes in your post..... believe me (LOL)....but I couldn't find any. Great post!

agree w/ g ventura -- Kobe's was back in April and his 100k amount should have been a warning to all players, now it happens again, even during an ad-campaign against it and the violator get's 1/2 the fine - Noah's fine should have been 10-50k MORE than Kobe's

@HOBBITMAGE... Hope you are enjoying the extra time we all seem to suddenly have. :-)
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Like always, our disagreements are again of degree. First, I do agree that the offseason moves left the Lakers as an older and slower team. Without a doubt, Ariza is younger and faster than Ron Artest. Similarly, most of us originally thought that Blake and Barnes would easily replace the speed we lost with Farmar and Sasha. In retrospect, we probably would have been better off not trading them. At this point, hindsight is not really going to do us any good. Blake and Barnes may shine next year.
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While I do agree that the teams left in the playoffs at this point are for the most faster and quicker teams than our current Lakers, I don’t necessarily see that as compelling evidence that the Lakers need to get quicker and younger in order to be competitive. What I do agree is that we can no longer have both Artest and Fisher in the lineup together because of their lack of speed and quickness. The time has now come to replace Fish as our starting point guard. He has now become our Achilles heel and we our first priority has to be to find an immediate replacement as our starting point guard.
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I know you believe that part of our problem is that we are playing two 7-footers , which is something Jerry West alone has contended would not work because the Lakers would be too slow. While I surely respect Jerry West’s opinion, I think most objective observers would conclude that we have seen far more evidence that the combination of Bynum and Gasol can work fine when we execute our offense. The issue to me is our NOT taking advantage of our 2 seven footers, which would easily compensate for any easy baskets other teams were able to get against us in by running in transition.
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As for my raising the leadership issue, you may understandably attribute my comments as a disrespecting Kobe, who at this point in time is obviously our team leader on the floor. The simple truth, however, is that a major need of the team as Kobe gets older and the rest of the league gets younger is to have a balanced offense that prevents other teams from doubling Kobe and taking the ball out of his hands. This will be especially critical if we do not promote Brian Shaw and retain the Triangle Offense. We will not win another championship with an older and slower Kobe continuing to take too many difficult shots and stopping the offense and ball movement with his isolation plays.
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To me, that means having a point guard who can run the floor and get the ball to the player who has the hot hand or has the best matchup advantage. As much as I love the Triangle Offense, it’s time in my opinion to bring in a true point guard and to give him the responsibility of getting the ball inside to our bigs and getting the ball to Kobe and others in positions where they can easily score. A premier point guard is the key to taking advantage of our superior height and length. It is so important that I would be willing to trade Pau or Lamar in order to get a player like Chris Paul or Derrick Williams.
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As for moving Kobe to point guard, I am amazed at your bringing this up since I recall your blasting me in the past for a similar suggestion. I like the idea of Kobe at point previously but not unless the problems with his ankle and hands are fixed over the summer. Otherwise, I would be afraid of gross turnovers with Kobe handling the ball more. A better solution against certain teams would be to move Lamar to point as he is much faster and quicker than Fish. The best solution, however, is still to bring is a real point guard for a change. Imagine CP3 feeding Drew, Pau, Ron, and Kobe.
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TOM


Kobe's comment was directed at a referee ( a league employee) whereas Noah's comment was directed at a fan. Fans don't matter to David Stern...only what's in their wallets matters. Therefore the discrepency in fines.

MM,

regarding the disparity b/n fines. I agree. David Stern just wanted to "jack"
Kobe & the Lakers.

LakerTom,

re: the time off. I would prefer that we were still playing. Oh, well. :)

you wrote: Similarly, most of us originally thought that Blake and Barnes would easily replace the speed we lost with Farmar and Sasha. In retrospect, we probably would have been better off not trading them. At this point, hindsight is not really going to do us any good. Blake and Barnes may shine next year.

my response: This is incorrect. Anyone who pays attention to quickness
would never think that Blake was as quick as Farmar. Furthermore, you're
not addressing the youth issue. i.e. The pickup of Blake & Barnes indicated
that the Lakers had given up on tomorrow and were solely focused on
winning now. This was spoken about.

you wrote: While I do agree that the teams left in the playoffs at this point are for the most faster and quicker teams than our current Lakers, I don’t necessarily see that as compelling evidence that the Lakers need to get quicker and younger in order to be competitive.

my response: Yes. This is a point of contention b/n us. You have always
focused on size as the primary physical attribute for basketball. I have
always focused on speed. I don't think there's anyway to resolve it, so I'll let
it lie. You are wrong about this though. :)

you wrote: I know you believe that part of our problem is that we are playing two 7-footers , which is something Jerry West alone has contended would not work because the Lakers would be too slow.

my response: No. You're misunderstanding my point. Our problem is *NOT*
that we are playing two 7-footers. Our problem is that *BOTH* of our 7-footers
are slow!

re: Jerry West being the sole voice contending that it would work. Hmm ...
Maybe the LOGO actually knows more about basketball than the other talking
heads do? Maybe his age & wisdom gave him perspective that Barkley doesn't
have? Ya think?

re: I think most objective observers would conclude that we have seen far more evidence that the combination of Bynum and Gasol can work fine when we execute our offense.

my response: ummm .... No. We have *NEVER* had a season where Bynum
& Gasol were healthy and playing well together for more than a few games.
I said this before and you, KobeMVP888 [ missing in action ] and others
reviled me as a Bynum Basher. I *CLEARLY* stated that Bynum was in-
effective/non-productive against the Magic in 2009 & Boston in 2010.
Furthermore, I challenged you and others to show the Lakers winning,
against quality teams, when Bynum was having an offensively productive
game. Bynum & Pau have *NEVER* played well together against quality
teams for a number of reasons.

Here are a few quick reasons why you're wrong:

1. Bynum is not a great passer.
2. Bynum is constantly trying to get his offensive points instead of focusing
on defense, and per his own words if he wasn't involved in the offense as
he wished/dreamed he slacked off. a paraphrase. It came out after he had
his last epiphany with Mumford. He clearly spoke about disappointment
when Gasol showed up and his role in the offense.
3. Bynum never learned how to play good defense against quality bigs.
He declined summer workouts with Team USA. He didn't play college ball.
He was injured an awful lot. He took vacations and chose to workout on his
own with his own personal trainers.

fwiw, I hope that Bynum will address these things. Furthermore, this could
have been addressed this year, since Bynum played well after the ASG, but
Pau played like a chump the entire year.

you wrote: As for my raising the leadership issue, you may understandably attribute my comments as a disrespecting Kobe, who at this point in time is obviously our team leader on the floor. The simple truth, however, is that a major need of the team as Kobe gets older and the rest of the league gets younger is to have a balanced offense that prevents other teams from doubling Kobe and taking the ball out of his hands.

my response: I don't attribute your comments as disrespecting Kobe. I
believe you're misunderstanding the team dynamics. Kobe *IS* the leader
of the Lakers and D-Fish is the co-captain. Your are comments consistently
point to your trying to get the ball out of Kobe's hand. I'm telling you that
you're going about it the wrong way.

Let me clarify this: When you leverage Kobe as a threat, everyone else
becomes more open & he can then distribute. Which he should do. Your
methodology keeps trying to mold Kobe into a "pass first, score second"
guard and that dog won't hunt.

re: We will not win another championship with an older and slower Kobe continuing to take too many difficult shots and stopping the offense and ball movement with his isolation plays.

Kobe was coming off of knee surgery. Maybe our bigs should keep fighting
for position so they can get the ball instead of being so slow? I don't mean to
piss you off about this. I have constantly talked about the lack of activity by
our bigs and you have disagreed with me about this.

you wrote: A premier point guard is the key to taking advantage of our superior height and length

my response: You keep talking like height & length are all that are important.
I keep telling you that quickness is actually more important. We just got
swept trying to take advantage of our height/length. WAKE UP! We need to
get quicker/more active. I'm not saying get rid of either Bynum or Pau. I am
saying that whoever isn't willing to run down the court needs to find another
team to play for.

you wrote: As for moving Kobe to point guard, I am amazed at your bringing this up since I recall your blasting me in the past for a similar suggestion.

my response: That's because your past suggestions were about the *TALL*
lineup. I have no problems w/ Kobe at PG or SG. I have problems with the
*TALL* lineup because it is to frickin' slow!

Ex: LO at pg. LO at SF, Artest at SG.

You kept dodging the issue that neither Bynum nor Pau ran the floor hard.
You also kept dodging the issue of the lack of offensive rebounds do to the
poor positioning, and lack of effort by Bynum on many days. Don't want to
piss you off.

Your suggestions don't address the slowness of Bynum & Pau at PF/C, which
means that on defense we will constantly face 3/4 on 5 situations against
quicker teams. When Boston/KG said, "We felt we could run on the Lakers." ..
I felt that my observation/understanding was vindicated.

A slow plodding offensive will *NOT* work against a team of young kids who
can run all day and all night long.

you wrote: A better solution against certain teams would be to move Lamar to point as he is much faster and quicker than Fish.

my response: Do you even know how to spell "Track and Field" ? Lamar is
*NOT* much quicker than Fish. let me educate you:

down & dirty definitions -

quickness: how long it takes you to react.
fast: how long it takes you to cover ground.

I said it before and I'll say it again. LO is quick for a big man. He is *NOT*
quick. Ariza *IS* quick & fast! I'm giving you examples. Obviously, we
don't have Ariza.

Furthermore, if you move LO from the bench to the starting lineup, you've
weakened our bench. And I still don't know why you keep trying to take
LO away from one of the things that he does the best. He's a good/great
rebounder. You keep trying to move him away from the basket. Don't do that.
Please.

you wrote: Imagine CP3 feeding Drew, Pau, Ron, and Kobe.

my response: If we're playing fantasy basketball, I'll take D-Will feeding
Kobe, Dwight, Ariza & Blake Griffin!!! D-Will is bigger than CP3. Ariza
is faster than Ron. Dwight is better, in every way, than Drew. Blake has
so much more upside than Pau ... I'd be here until tomorrow listing how.

@GGBHL ... “STILL waiting for an explanation of how the lakers can get CP3 AND keep Bynum and Odom.....LakerTom?? How does that happen?” We trade Pau Gasol to the Hornets for CP3. They both make around $17M and can thus be traded one for one. Odom moves into Gasol’s starting 3. Similarly, we could trade Pau for Deron Williams since he also makes around $17M, same as Gasol.
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The other point guard possibility is to trade Lamar Odom for Raymond Felton since he earns around $7.5Mwhile Lamar makes around $9M. That would be another one-for-one trade that works. I think Felton would be a great fit for the Lakers. Not as dynamic as Paul or Williams but it would enable us to keep Pau, whom I would still only trade in return for a top flight point guard. Both trades work.
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TOM

Mark Medina pwned by Bay to La

re: Jerry West being the sole voice contending that it would work

should be:

re: Jerry West being the sole voice contending that it would not work

Why can't Joakim or Kobe freely express their personal emotion?! They have a right to voice their frustration.
When people are frustrated, they may say things they don't really mean it. Just like the guy quarrels with his wife and saying "I hate you" or "divorce you" ... etc.
The athletes probably make many other bad comments as well when they are mad. Why the network intentionally pick up the anti-gay words?
It appears to me that the network is purposely making a scene out of this gay related issue. David stern does that on purpose as well, he must be a gay himself, that is why he is supper sensitive on this issue, making a trivial thing way out of proportion.
There must be some untold agenda behind.

This doesn't sit well with me at all. They want to be high and mighty about using such a terrible word, but then want to make distinctions about who it's directed against. It's totally unacceptable, but not as bad if you say it to a fan as opposed to a ref?

Makes no sense to me.

People are so overly sensitive that I wonder if these people are fags or something. It's just a word! get over it faggots!

Proof of NBA's bias against Kobe!
1)Taunt of fans is more dangerous than at reff as Detriot could happen again when directed at fan
2) second fine shoulder have been larger than first. The whole NBA was on notice by kobe's 100k.
3) I hope Kobe takes his game to Europe so he can be celebrated by the league he plays in and by the fans/media. Kobe does not deserve this bias from the NBA and media. Turncoat magic did not say one word about the lack of fairness.

Proof of NBA's bias against Kobe!
1)Taunt of fans is more dangerous than at reff as Detriot could happen again when directed at fan
2) second fine shoulder have been larger than first. The whole NBA was on notice by kobe's 100k.
3) I hope Kobe takes his game to Europe so he can be celebrated by the league he plays in and by the fans/media. Kobe does not deserve this bias from the NBA and media. Turncoat magic did not say one word about the lack of fairness.

CyberCosmix,

Hola.

you wrote: Two seven-footers worked for the Rockets with Sampson/Olajuwon. In the latter years the Lakers had two slow-footed frontcourt guys in Rambis/Kareem. Slow-footed Shaq and an aging Horace Grant made it work. Not strictly 7-footers but slow/plodding-type guys.

my response: You have never read me say that two 7-footers wouldn't work.
I did ask about it and the Sampson/Olajuwaon came up. When I was looking
into the matter & trying to understand the dynamics.

Consider the 3 examples that you've given. You've listed 3 of the best centers
to ever play the game as examples that work.

Fact #1. Bynum has neither the size nor the skill nor the hunger of Shaq.
Bynum's only accolade is the McDonald's game as a kid in 2005.
Where's the experience?

Fact #2. Kurt Rambis is 6'8". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Rambis
Listed height 6 ft 8 in (2.03 m)

furthermore,
He graduated from Santa Clara University, where he played from 1976 to 1980, becoming its second leading rebounder and all-time leading scorer with 1,736 points. During his Santa Clara years he was awarded the WCC Freshman of the Year and Conference Player of the Year as a senior. His jersey #34 was retired on December 29, 2008.[1]

Fact #3. re: Horace & Shaq. They played together for 1 year as Lakers. The
Lakers got rid of him. That doesn't say a lot for them really making it work,
does it?

you wrote: Most importantly, we saw that two seven-footers does work for the Lakers as the previous 3 years illustrated. Frankly, if Pau wasn't distracted or whatever this year it would have worked again.

my response: I've already addressed this. I don't think that Bynum played
particularly well against Orlando or Boston due to injuries and lack of
experience. Furthermore, it's not clear that it would have worked. Dallas is
shooting the lights out and our defense SUCKED!

FYI, 2007/2008 we did not have 2 7-footers. Bynum was injured. We went
to the finals w/ only Pau & Odom. That's one 7-footer.

re: Kobe & the PG position. I don't disagree that having a faster PG would
be nice. However, as long as our Bigs are plodding we'll continue to play
3/4 on 5 on the defensive end and that's not going to get it done. Also, I'm
not claiming to be an expert on this. If Jerry West moved to PG & indicated
that the same would extend Kobe's NBA life, why should I have a problem with
it? The LOGO knows more than I do about basketball.

"That's a good point. Maybe the league should start fining them instead one games pay, whatever that might be. Suspension for repeat offenses.


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Posted by: CyberCosmiX | May 23, 2011 at 04:22 PM "

I like this idea better than a flat rate fine but I think I would prefer the way it is where the league just comes up with a fine they feel is appropriate based on the action and its severity. Speeding tickets have varying fines based on the severity and conditions and I think this should be the same way. I don't think it is practical to assign a specific dollar amount to each naughty word regardless of context. Especially with the situation I mentioned before where a player like Trey Johnson would be put in the red with a fine like this.

I also don't think the 100,000 fine on Kobe was designed to be a standard. If Kobe wasn't at the limit for technicals, I think he would have just been assigned a technical and forced to do a PSA or something. I remember the league saying something to the effect of not wanting this issue to linger (a technical would have caused Kobe to be suspended for the Sacramento game that determined HCA against Dallas) so they fined him a large amount to put a quick close to it.

Dude...If Kobe was so hated by the association, then anwser this how is it the Lakers won to Championships? Without the help of the REF's, get REAL.


@LUDWIG … Thanks for your response. I would like to get Riddick or Wright. We do need to add a pure shooter. The problem is that every other team wants the same, which means that we probably won’t be able to get those guys with just the MLE or by trading any of our bench players.

Personally, I think upgrading the point guard position with a guy who can shoot the 3-pointer is our main personnel priority. And if we really want to improve the point guard position, we will likely have to trade Pau or Lamar. Pau for CP3 or Pau for DWill both work since their salaries are very close - $17-18M. Or we could trade Lamar for Raymond Felton, $8.9M for $7.5M. Either would work.
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@CCX … Thanks for your response. One of the silver linings from this disappointing season that nobody has talked about was that there were moments when the Triple Towers was on the floor and played some smothering defense. For something that was never practiced until the day before, I thought the results were very encouraging. Of course, that would mean not trading Pau or Lamar.

I would love to get Curry but his salary is so low that you would be forced to offer Lamar and another player and then be forced to take back Biedrins and his $9M. That is the problem with any of the outstanding players who are still on their rookie contract. Same situation if you want to get the rights to Rubio. No way the Timberwolves would trade Love or Rubio for anything less than Lamar et al.
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TOM


Laker Tom -
Thank you, and while I respect both trades, I think ultimately trading Gasol will hurt the lakers, since you have NO backups. As a fan of another team, Artest, Odom and Bynum doesn't scare me as much as Artest, Gasol and Bynum with Odom as 6th man. It is a very tough call. We face the same decisions with our Aging Big 3. Would you package KG to get Howard, or Rondo to get Paul? Here's the thing:
I think IF you want Paul, they will make you take Okafor, since his contract is an albatross. And IF you take Howard, they will make you take Turkoglu, for the same reason. The owners, in this case, hold all the cards. They could trade them now - wherever the owners want, without an extension. They could trade them at the trade deadline, and get good pieces, without an extension......or they could do nothing and play out the year.......now IF they play out the year, Howard and Paul can only go to a team that has cap space, like MN or CLE - all the good teams are over the cap. So, I predict they both stay where they are (plus I predict the new CBA will have some element of "franchise player") or are traded this off-season where they don't want to go.
Thanks again for the response!

It is not a surprise that Kobe's fine was heavier than Noah's. Noah is a good guy and did a bad thing. he is always polite to the media. Kobe is the black mamba and always cursing and carrying on like a sailor. In the finals he barely says 3 words together. Kobe bad. Noah good. Therefore the heavier fine. Leave it to the priest to put things in perspective.

The discrepancy in fines is nothing new. Anti Kobe bias has been around for a long time, and was clearly evident in many playoff games where he got hacked with impunity. I am just amazed that Stern was foolish enough to prove it so blatantly.

Once you accept the fact it's all about denver colorado, it all makes perfect sense...period

While I mean no disrespect to Noah. I believe that kobe's fine was higher due to the fact more is expected out of him than Noah and also the fact that Kobe's action was towards a ref and Noah's toward a fan. I still say this year more so than any I can remember. I felt that the laker's had a target of jealousy that extended all the way up to the top. I could be wrong, but it's just my opinion. I like to think the best about people and situations, but som etimes when a septic tank burst. Putting your hand over your nose don't stop the stank. psalms 119:98

There's no justification for distinguishing the fines between Noah and Bryant.

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Absolutely agree. Which only undermines the good intentions of NBA players who, through their PSAs, perceive a REAL need for public education on such matters -- unlike the fashion-moment circle-the-wagons image-only mentality of Lady Gaga Stern.

MM - The discrepancy in fines imposed is not fair but what Bay to LA said does make some sense.Noah's was an ill advised reaction to disrespectful comments and continued heckling the nature of which we can only guess.Kobe vented in response to an official's decision which likely wasn't personal in nature.

Kobe has a following way bigger than Noah's and it stands to reason that his actions potentially affect a wider audience especially given the coverage it receives in the media.( I don't think any Bulls blog out there is gonna have 5-6 posts on this incident like you had in Kobe's case).I am not suggesting that the amount of fine be determined by that, only that there is a pragmatic side to this issue.
Fines are meant to deter the offender and reflect a tough stance on comments suggestive of intolerance.I do not believe a difference of 50k one way or the other would be capable of determining the effect of the fine in this case.So this debate is largely inconsequential.

Besides, if they were imposed as a percentage of the salary, the discrimination probably wouldn't seem as glaring as it does now.

P.S - "I don't care" seems more like the response of an irritable teenager than someone like you.

before the infamous slur, Kobe was throwing a tantrum, acting like a spoiled brat, and was mumbling & calling out the ref's name. And he was not provoked, it was his own doing.

That's the difference. You need to factor in the whole thing and not just the mouth piece. Imagine if Kobe's punch hit Joe Smith's arm or ribs instead of the poor chair? Joe Smith would've reminded Kobe that he was a numero uno pick during the Eisenhower presidency.

Lakers collapsed since they did not have Adam Morrison. He was the main reason they won the last 2 seasons and the only prominent former player opposed to a Kareem statue. Bring back Morrison, he's the Savior !!!

MM

Good points Agree 100%


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