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Caught in the Web: Lakers begin their offseason

Photo: Lakers Coach Phil Jackson listens to the national anthem before the start of Game 3 of the 2009 NBA Finals in Orlando, Fla. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times --The Times' Mark Heisler presents a five-step plan on how the Lakers can address their offseason.

--The Times' Broderick Turner looks at the possible candidates to replace Phil Jackson as the Lakers' coach.

--The Times' Lisa Dillman reflects on Jackson's storied career.

--The Times' Chris Erskine blames the Lakers for folding under adversity.

--The Times' presents a photo gallery highlighting Jackson's playing and coaching career.

--The New York Times' Harvey Araton talks to Jerry Krause, who will only shake Jackson's hand during Tex Winter's Hall of Fame induction this summer. 

--The New York Post's Marc Berman reports the Jackson hasn't ruled out coaching other teams besides the Lakers, including the New York Knicks in 2012. 

--The Daily News' Vincent Bonsignore argues that the Lakers simply need rest.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding explains the Lakers' unraveling with a slide show.

--Ball Don't Lie's Kelly Dwyer wonders what Kobe Bryant is doing on the NBA's all-defensive team.

--Pro Basketball Talk's Kurt Helin doesn't believe Jackson would ever coach the Knicks or any other NBA team for that matter. 

--ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky looks at the unpredictable storylines surrounding the Lakers.

--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's David Lassen maintains that all the basketball mileage and fatigue caught up with the Lakers.

--Sports Illustrated's Zach Lowe questions Bryant's selection to the NBA's all-defensive team. 

--The Daily News' Jill Painter wonders what's gone wrong with Los Angeles' sports teams.

--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Gregg Patton says the Lakers don't need to overhaul their roster. They just need a tuneup.

--Sports Illustrated's Dan Patrick talks with Jerry West, who expresses embarrassment over the Lakers losing and Andrew Bynum's ejection. 

--The Chicago Sun-Times' Richard Roeper believes the Lakers play in Game 4 against Dallas ended Jackson's coaching career on a humiliating note. 

--ESPN Los Angeles' Ramona Shelburne provides a detailed account of the Lakers' final game of the season.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Stephen A. Smith argues the Lakers need to trade Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom and Ron Artest.

--ESPN.com's Marc Stein believes this is truly it for Jackson.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell and Ty Nowell present postcards from Dallas. 

--The Orange County Register's Mark Whicker argues that the Lakers should hire Brian Shaw as their next coach.

--Fox Sports' Billy Witz argues the Lakers need to fix their attitude more than their personnel.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius Soriano provides a nuanced view of the Lakers' season. 

--Silver Screen and Roll's C.A. Clark argues the Lakers reached the end of an era. 

Tweet of the Day: "Unless teams are willing to trade with the Lakers, it would be impossible for this team to be blown up due to the cap." -- ArashMarkazi (ESPN Los Angeles' columnist Arash Markazi)

Rick Friedman Reader Comment of the Day:"This will be an interesting offseason. Yes, the Lakers came apart in the playoffs. But the core of this team is still pretty damn good. And most of the guys the Lakers have some issue hanging over their head, which may lower their trade value. In other words, the core players will be worth more to LA than they would be in trade." -- Tom Daniels

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Photo: Lakers Coach Phil Jackson listens to the national anthem before the start of Game 3 of the 2009 NBA Finals in Orlando, Fla. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times

 
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MM,

These 2 links above both go to the same article by Ramona Shelburne.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Stephen A. Smith argues the Lakers need to trade Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom and Ron Artest.

--ESPN.com's Marc Stein believes this is truly it for Jackson.

KOBE SHOULD CUT HIS SALARY TO MORE THAN HALF SO THAT WE CAN HAVE OR HE CAN HAVE MORE QUALITY A LIST PLAYERS ALONG WITH HIM TO HELP HIM WIN MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS AT LEAST 5 MORE YEARS.

Let's get Dwight Howard, CP3, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin for Pau Gasol, Odom, Bynum (if needed be)

trade everyone!!!!!

Luke, Pls. retire already... you would help the lakers to get better quality players.

Fisher, Pls. retire already and join the coaching staff!!! Pls. for the life of L.A.
Next two years, focus on getting Blake Griffin and Kevin Durant!!!

Lakers need a speedy guard, the Mavs J.J. Barea is a free agent this year.
Now that would be just too funny...

Good morning all!

Thankfully, more time has passed since the Mother’s Day Massacre (with four part harmony, full orchestration and things like that). It is over.

Exit interviews start:

Kobe – You had a pretty great season with many incredible, memorable moments. Unfortunately, it all fizzled in the end. Your body gave out on you. Please see some specialists for the finger, knee and ankle. Please get a lot of rest and give things time to heal. We are going to pick up a point guard who can score, and a shooting guard who can hit a 3, and reduce your minutes next season so you will be fresh in June.

Derek – You were a warrior and fought valiantly through a tough season. There were highs and lows, but it has become obvious that this is a young man’s game and you play a young man’s position. We need your veteran leadership on the team, but we are looking for a younger, faster point guard to start. How would you like a job as an assistant coach?

Ron – You didn’t have a great year. You seemed distracted and didn’t show up for a lot of games. Your defense was good for most of the year, but your offense was offensive. You lost a lot of weight and worked out but still couldn’t jump high enough to stuff it in one of the most embarrassing moments of an incredibly embarrassing final game. If you are still a Laker, you probably won’t start next year.

Pau – You started the year looking like an MVP candidate. You ended it looking like a candidate to go see Ron’s therapist. You were booed off the court in what may have been your last game in LA as a Laker. Thank you for three great years. We are looking to get tougher.

Drew – When you played defense and got all the rebounds, we were unbeatable. When you stopped doing that, we were incredibly beatable. We were beat into the ground. You had a role. You did it well. We were 17-1. You stopped doing it. We got killed. Team unity and chemistry fell apart. Your comments in the media contributed to this. We need the grown-up Drew next year - the “future of the Lakers” Drew. Part of this role is helping create team unity – making the players around you better.

Lamar – You have to lose the TV show next year and focus. You had a great year. You won the award you should have received every year you came off the bench. Get ready to play power forward because we are shipping Pau.

Steve – You were a disappointment. You will probably get traded.

Shannon – Things haven’t worked out. Don’t expect to be here next year.

Matt – Keep getting healthier. We like your spirit and energy.

Luke – Please retire.

Joe – See ya.

Theo – Bye, bye.

Ebanks – Get ready to play.

Caracter – Work out with Ebanks.

Trey – We are going to give you a chance next year.

PJ – Thanks you so much for all you have done for this organization. You are the greatest coach off all time. We are sorry that we couldn’t have sent you off in a more dignified fashion. Your hands were on the reins though, so it is what it is. Good luck. Don’t talk bad about us in your book!

Mitch – You are fired.

Someone else mentioned this and it made me think. Jerry West was against having two centers on the floor together. Jerry knows a little about basketball. It is an experiment that never really got tried because of injury. This year, it got tried. It only really worked when Bynum was content to play D, block shots, and get rebounds and Pau was an aggressive scorer. Even then, we got beat by Miami. Once Bynum started wanting the ball, the whole thing came apart. Why shouldn’t he want the ball? He was shooting well. Unfortunately, it is a team game and the pieces have to fit together. Pau is a center. When we won the two championships, Pau was playing center. He went against Dwight Howard and won. Bynum played limited minutes in both of our championship playoff runs. I think we need to trade Pau and get a small forward who can hit a three and a point guard. We then have New Point Guard, Kobe, New Small Forward, Lamar, and Drew. We will also need a dependable center to back-up Drew. We will have Caracter, Barnes and Ebanks off the bench. Trey was the second leading scorer in the D league and shot close to 50%. We can give him a chance as a backup guard. We will be young and we can run again when our bench comes in. I would like to see another player who is a true shooter come off the bench and drain some threes for us.

We need Sloan. He will come back to coach Kobe and the Lakers. Sloan’s teams play tough D and they don’t quit. We need someone Kobe will respect (do what he says). I don’t think he will respect Shaw, or Rambis. They don’t have enough clout. He may respect Scott. Scott didn’t have a good year – other than beating us. Adelman was just fired. Kobe always beat his teams. I don’t think Larry Brown would work out. He beat Kobe in the finals, so Kobe would have to respect that. Larry has a tough time keeping a job. Doc is a Celtic. Krzyzewski doesn’t want to leave his job. We need Sloan.

Good times… Bad times… I am a Lakerholic.

KOBE SHOULD CUT HIS SALARY TO MORE THAN HALF SO THAT WE CAN HAVE OR HE CAN HAVE MORE QUALITY A LIST PLAYERS ALONG WITH HIM TO HELP HIM WIN MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS AT LEAST 5 MORE YEARS.

Let's get Dwight Howard, CP3, Kevin Love for Pau Gasol, Bynum (if needed be), and Odom (if needed be)

trade everyone!!!!!

Next two years, focus on getting Blake Griffin and Kevin Durant!!!

Art

Stephen A Smith is an idiot; but we already knew that.

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oops, I mean these two links are both the same...

--ESPN Los Angeles' Ramona Shelburne provides a detailed account of the Lakers' final game of the season.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Stephen A. Smith argues the Lakers need to trade Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom and Ron Artest.

PSP,

Can't you issue a delay of game penalty for the moderation?

Turns out I've been right about Kobe "me me" Bryant all along...

I've been reading reports that everybody in the locker room hates Kobe because he's an a-hole prick.

Pau Gasol isn't speaking to Kobe because Kobe's wife's an apparent a-hole prick as well.

Lamar's wife and Kobe's wife hate each other because Kobe's wife is just like Kobe who is green with envy.

I think a lot more crap will start spilling about Kobe "me me" Bryant as his skills continue to decline.

No wonder there was "trust issues" in the locker room.

Art

Moderation is a child of the devil (not you MM!); this foe is beyond the PSP. However, the comments are getting approved at an okay pace this morning so its not as bad as usual.

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Maybe it's time to let Kobe go? What's the point if the guy can't carry the team anymore and players dislike him and won't play for him?

Trade Old Man Kob while he still has some value...

he say/she say ISH is not worthy enough to speak about. "me" Kobe got 5 rings so I am not tryna hear all that noise!

@Tom Daniels - congrats on the Friedman.

@Lakerholic – You said Sloan teams don’t quit. Didn’t HE quit?


Shelburne article is a good read.

Heisler article – he said Lakers may go more uptempo style and choose coach like (Rivers, Adelman or Larry Brown). Larry Brown…uptempo? Is there a different Larry Brown that I don’t know about?

All speculations on who should be traded is premature at this time. Everything really hinges who replaces PJ. That new coach will have his own system and then we trade for pieces that fit that system.

There are 3 possible scenarios:

1. The new coach comes from the existing staff - this means the Triangle remains the offense system. Probably minimal player trades.

2. An outsider becomes coach but retains most of the existing coaching staff - it allows for a smoother transition but also implies that much of the Triangle play sets will remain.

3. An outsider becomes coach and replaces most if not all of the existing coaching staff - the pieces to be traded will depend the offense/defense system that will be implemented.

Time to relax people. What the front office does or doesn't do is out of your control. Enjoy the summer, go play golf, b ball at a park, something.
See ya'll in preseason.

All's I'm saying is that Kobe "me me" Bryant is lucky to have been drafted by the lakers and is lucky to have played alongside Shaq, Pau, Horry, Horace Grant, Malone, Payton, Bynum, Odom, Fisher, Harper, Artest, etc...

Had Mr. Selfish remained with Charlotte, he'd be like Allen Iverson...

And oh, Kobe ain't no Michael Jordan, not even close

I think this series demonstrates that kobe can't lead a team and players get sick of his "too much drama for yo mama"....

as soon as things start to go bad in Kamp Kobe, the finger pointing starts...anybody remember 2004 when Kobe started pointing fingers at everybody including Karl Malone? Same old crap with the Snake....fitting his nickname is a snake.

Derek Fisher and Luke Walton aren't going to retire. Both of them have contracts that pay them for the next 2 seasons and I think they will stick around and collect their money.

I actually think their salaries stay on the books against the cap even if they do retire so it doesn't make much of a difference either way. The important thing is to make sure the new coach doesn't want to give them a lot of minutes.

Stephen A. Smith is a clown.

Journalism is dead in the United States.

Vanessa Bryant costs us a Championship due to Reality TV-level bullcrap and it's not allowed to be discussed. If it's real and it has a profound effect upon the lives of millions of Lakeraholics, why is it not allowed to be discussed?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Mornin Blog Regulars,

I was talking to my cousine yesterday and he said that there is an 80% that the Lakers might trade AB, LO, and FISH for JJ REDDICK, GILBERT ARENAS, & DWIGHT HOWARD!

what do you guys think about this trade offer, it might be a rumor and not end up working out, but how do you guys see this trade deal ending up for the lakers. good or bad?

any takers? I heard this last night so i want to see what some of you might think...

"Posted by: Lakerholic | May 10, 2011 at 08:48 AM "

Couldn't have said all that better myself! Excellent bottom lining of Laker prospects. I hope most of that is done! May take getting rid of MK first though. I agree that a tough coach is what LA players need. Kobe will be fine with a tough coach as he will get someone who will kick a$$, like it hasn't been done around the Lakers in a while, on Kobe's teammates. That may keep some of the Hollywood garbage at bay. Back-in-the-day we had to tow the line or ride the pine. Not sure why that technique isn't used more these days, but I'll bet Sloan would!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/23/vanessa-bryant-hates-khlo_n_622459.html

In short, Reality TV childishness is killing our Lakers.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/23/vanessa-bryant-hates-khlo_n_622459.html

In short, Reality TV childishness is killing our Lakers.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

It's official. We can officially begin referring to Vanessa Bryant as "Yoko."

http://www.tmrzoo.com/2011/24680

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Turns out I've been right about Kobe "me me" Bryant all along...

I've been reading reports that everybody in the locker room hates Kobe because he's an a-hole prick.

Pau Gasol isn't speaking to Kobe because Kobe's wife's an apparent a-hole prick as well.

Lamar's wife and Kobe's wife hate each other because Kobe's wife is just like Kobe who is green with envy.

I think a lot more crap will start spilling about Kobe "me me" Bryant as his skills continue to decline.

No wonder there was "trust issues" in the locker room.

Posted by: KL_Beast | May 10, 2011 at 09:02 AM

@KL_Beast

Did anyone on the blog talk about Bynum's quote before game 4 where he said "I'm just going to play hard, I'm not worried about legacy or anything"?

You know who that was a shot at? For the record I don't blame Kobe's wife for Pau's play but I do think she is a cancer and needs to know her place, that place is at home taking care of the kids and home nothing else.

Mornin' CRUE. Good, bad or otherwise, the sun rises and there's something to look forward to in Laker-Land.

I've heard enough I told-you-so's and blow-up-the-team's to last me all summer long. I'll just be interested to see how Buss and Company make this right. And you know they will. The Lakers are an institution. They'll be back and competing for # 17 next year, and we'll all be happy and the trolls will go back under their rocks. As it should be.

mclyne - here's the link you asked for. Bookmark the dang thing! http://felipereis.com/lakerholic/

Jon K - hope you're not irritated with me still. I'll be around.

Lakerholic - excellent post..last thread I think it was. I enjoy reading your thoughts.

LRob - 63 wanted to know if you'd consider popping by the RC once in awhile. He says he won't come back here, but enjoys your stuff - in particular talking music!


The playoffs are still going on, and they are exciting even though the Purple & Gold shine is off them. As long as the East ultimately loses, I'm good.

Hope all y'all are doing well!

GO LAKERS (NEXT YEAR) !!!!!

I can't believe my team has become dominated by a bunch of no talent, no education, no emotional discipline, exhibitionistic, histrionic, attention-vampire drama queen wives.

Great.

Thanks guys for keeping your ladies in check.

Good job.

Way to send Phil out a winner.

That's what I call professionalism.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

I guess the PSP spoke too soon ... moderation has slowed down to a crawl; yawn time for some thai food. Will be back later when MM decides to get a move on things.

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Artest: Must go. Really bad year. Offense anyone?
Barnes: Must stay. Great energy!
Blake: Must go. Who said 3 pointer? One of the worst trades ever.
Shannon: Last chance to step up. Confidence anyone?
Kobe: Must stay. Stop bragging.
Bynum: Must go. Superman is coming!
Caracter: Must stay. Minutes please?
Ebanks: Must stay. Minutes please?
Fischer: Must go. Please retire already.
Gasol: Must go. What an embarrassment for the club. Go to Artest's psychiatrist, get a new girlfriend. Trade him for CP3.
Johnson: Must stay. What a great player. Minutes please?
Odom: Must stay. Stop with your childish TV show and grow up please.
Ratliff: Must go. Retirement please?
Smith: Must go. Retire with Fischer and Ratliff please.
Luke: Must go. How embarrassing. Not even good for D league. Trade u for nothing. Go see your dad please.

Mitch K.: Must go. You have failed to see reality. The team was so bad during the season, everyone else got stronger and us??? Go work for a WNBA team.

@mary chandler

Keep posting, you are awesome because you bring a smile and a laugh into my life everytime I read one of your post.

KL you are 100% accurate about Kobe. The cat is selfish and that destroyed team chemistry. I don't understand the media, perhaps the entry qualification requirements are too low. All year they are saying they can't imagine any team beating la 4 out of 7 times. Now they are saying dismantle the team? Media writers are too emotional in their analysis. Listen to the Priest for accurate information. There is no need to dismantle this team only a strong coach who can stand up to kobe, EMPHASISE DEFENSE, GET A NEW POINT GUARD AND DOESN'T ACCEPT MEDIOCRITY.

Laker fan-

You can hate on Lebron and the Heat all you want but they are and gonna be tough to beat. Just be glad they wasted 20 million on Bosh. That money could have been better spent on 2 or 3 other guys. They could win without his 12pts and 6 rebounds. They could have signed any of 20 guys that coulda got them that production at a 1/3 of the cost.

If they were smart, they would call Orlando and offer Bosh for Howard or even call Ainge and do a Bosh for KG!!

how about AB, LO, FISH/ARTEST for Gilber Arenas, JJ Reddick and Dwight?

any takers on this offer?

@NBA4ever
@island priest24

Thank you for your thoughts, I appreciate it.

Shut up haters and fairweather fans.We don't really care no matter what you says....Lakers fans forever...

Jeff Teague from atlanta would be a good pickup for point guard. too bad he is now playing well in the playoffs thanks to the injury to hinrich. don't think he is available as a free agent or through trades.

Laker fan-

You can hate on Lebron and the Heat all you want but they are and gonna be tough to beat.
Posted by: 131-92 | May 10, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Yup, and you are finding that out first hand eh? Must hurt having the princess and his court maids handing you guys a molly whopping.

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"Shut up haters and fairweather fans.We don't really care no matter what you says....Lakers fans forever...

Posted by: Adrian Palomar | May 10, 2011 at 10:34 AM "

If you don't care about the haters, why do you keep addressing them in every comment?

Doesn't hurt anymore than it woulda hurt losing to the Knicks!

Didn't realize you were such a Heat! But I'm not surprised!

Mitch Kupchak is incompetent...Terminate him!

Bye Bye Bynum, Odom, and possibly Pau Gasol, also bye Artest, and Fisher PLEASE retire YOU ARE DONE NOW! You have seen your time!!! Lakers dont resign Fisher!!! Lakers need to go after Dwight Howard; if Lakers management passes on Dwight because he loves Bynum so much then HE NEEDS TO BE FIRED IMMEDIETELY!! Dwight is just as big and stronger than and 5x more talented and will have dramatic effect as soon as he gets to L.A. If Lakers cant get Dwight, then they should surround Kobe and Bynum with young athletic players and a couple of shooters. People on this article say some teams may not be willing to deal with L.A; WHY NOT? If u got Pau, Odom, Bynum, and Artest on the market who wouldn't want them!? If Lakers don't get Dwight there are PLENTY of quality shooters and shooting guards on the market to backup Kobe, like: JR Smith, Aaron Afflalo, Marco Bellineli, Jason Richardson, Ray Allen. Also all of the people (except Ray allen becuz he's old) are very athletic and they can actually play and shoot (unlike Shannon Brown who is all athletism). Also get rid of Artest! I have not totally researched the free agents in the 2011 offseason but I'd love this startung lineup if it's possible
Aaron Brooks(I know he's on market), Kobe Bryant, Caron Butler, David West, Dwight Howard.
Bench:Steve Blake, JR Smith OR Bellineli, Barnes, DeAndre Jordan

*I know this lineup I've listed may not happen but there is huge possiblities like Lakers could acquire JR Smith or Bellineli for shooters and athletism, and Caron Butler has been with Lakers before and is a free agent and loves Kobe and patterns himself after Kobe as far as work ethic, and David West makes almost 9 million LESS than Pau and to me he is better than Gasol. If they can get rid of Pau then D-West would make the Lakers a team that can run because they wont be so big and slow. And this lineup even if L.A doesn't get Dwight and just stick with Bynum is championship caliber because Lakers would have best player in NBA in Kobe, and athletism, be a faster team and shooters and Bynum would dominate almost every center. I know this is nearly a totally different core of guys but it is very possible and I'd love to see Lakers get David West because to be such a good player he is cheap (last season he only made 7.5 million$ a year; but if Lakers want to sign him he is looking for a little bit more money but nowhere near Pau's outrageous contract. I'd like to see Jeff Van Gunduy coaching

Fans or fanatics? Some of you alls comments are almost stalker and serial killer mentality. Does the loss by the Lakers affect your paychecks, your dwelling, your family, or your soul being saved? I thought not. Take a deep breath and realize that this is for entertainment purposes only. Their job as a professional athlete requires a plethora of requirements, non of which most of you are capable or having. Pay cuts? Really? Would you be willing to take a pay cut so that your employer can hire more talented and focused workers? Sounds ridiculous? I thought so. As far as the Lakers team is concerned, Kobe has God!!! given talent that no one can take away from him. Know your limitations. Personal problems are just that, personal. Many of us have personal problems that we would die if they were mentioned on this public forum. As a true Laker fan that is quite entertained by the Lakers, I will gain my compusure, our team will gain their composure, and we will experience the world class championship team that we are accustomed to. Until then, the best to all the remaining teams competeting for the coveted championship and ring that the Lakers have experienced over, and over, again.

@mary chandler

1. the players union wouldn’t let a player take a 50 percent pay cut just to sign players on a team.
2. even if Kobe wanted to take a paycut he couldn’t. He has a contract. He cant just rip it up and sign a new one.
3. even if Kobe did take a 50 percent pay cut and it was allowed, the Lakers are still over the cap and cant sign any of the players you mentioned.

Brian Shaw has no choice he has to step up to the target, and take Phil Jackson place.


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