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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 122-86 Game 4 loss to Dallas Mavericks

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-- The Times' Mike Bresnahan details the carnage of the Lakers' 122-86 Game 4 loss Sunday to the Dallas Mavericks. Bresnahan also reports that the Lakers' main option to rebuild their roster entails trades because they don't have a first-round pick and can only sign a free agent using the midlevel exception.

-- The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding notes some admittedly embarrassed Lakers.

-- The Riverside Press Enterprise's Gregg Patton faults the Lakers for not trying in Game 4.

-- The Dallas Morning News' Eddie Sefko credits the Mavericks for staying humble and staying hungry. 

-- The Daily News' Elliott Teaford faults the Lakers' inability to defend Dallas' three-point shooting.

Sidebars

-- The Times' Broderick Turner details Jackson's post-game conversation with Bryant where both agreed it's better they lost now instead of in the NBA Finals.

-- The Times' Melissa Rohlin profiles Laker girl Katie Reynolds.

-- The Times' Jerry Crowe features former Laker Mark Landsberger.

-- Sports Illustrated's Sam Amick reports the Lakers will likely keep most of their roster intact.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Ramona Shelburne talks to Lakers General Manager Mitch Kupchak, who declined to talk about offseason plans but admitted that he thought this was truly Jackson's last season.

-- Yahoo! Sports' Marc Spears looks at the Lakers' poor effort and the team's offseason. 

-- Dallas Morning News' Brad Townsend focuses on Jason Terry's heroics. 

Notebooks

-- The Times' Bresnahan and Turner explain what Pau Gasol has learned from a disappointing postseason.

-- The Riverside Press Enterprise's Gregg Patton details how Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom lost their composure in separate fourth-quarter ejections.

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-- The Times' Bill Plaschke focuses on all the distractions and locker-room issues that plagued the Lakers.

-- The Times' T.J. Simers criticizes Magic Johnson for saying the team needs to be "blown up."

-- The Times' Mark Heisler reflects on the Lakers' past five NBA championships.

-- ESPN.com's J.A. Adande believes the Lakers' rebuilding process will take time. Adande also reports that the Lakers consider Brian Shaw to be the top candidate to replace Jackson.

-- The Daily News' Vincent Bonsignore says the Lakers' Game 4 loss marks a bitter end to Jackson's storybook career.

-- ESPN Dallas' Jeff Caplan highlights Jason Terry's record-setting playoff performance. 

-- Dallas Morning News' Tim Cowlishaw focuses on the Mavericks' bench. 

-- The Orange County Register's Ding reflects on Jackson's coaching career.

-- NBA.com's Scott Howard-Cooper explains why Jackson doesn't have any regrets about this being his last season. 

-- CBSSports.com's Jan Hubbard says the Lakers lost their character and their class. 

-- Sports Illustrated's Jack McCallum describes Jackson as the "game's finest coach."

-- ESPN Dallas' Tim MacMahon looks at how Dirk Nowitzki and the reserves have given the Mavericks plenty of depth. 

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin runs down a list of questions surrounding the Lakers and what will likely be a long and busy offseason.

-- The Orange County Register's Jeff Miller says the Lakers failed spectacularly.

-- The Riverside Press Enterprise's Patton criticizes the Lakers for making Jackson's finale end on a bad note.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Shelburne believes Jackson deserved a better ending.

-- NBA.coms' Sekou Smith looks at how the Lakers' dynasty came to a screeching halt. 

-- Fox Sports' Billy Witz says the Lakers' bad habits finally caught up to them.

-- Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski shoots down any premise that Jackson might coach somewhere else.

Blogs

-- CBSSports.com's Ken Berger argues Andrew Bynum shouldn't be allowed to wear a Laker uniform again after throwing his forearm to Dallas guard J.J. Barea in the Lakers' Game 4 loss. 

-- Ball Don't Lie's Kelly Dwyer rips the Lakers for playing poorly in Jackson's last game. Dwyer also makes fun of Ron Artest's missed dunk

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky faults the Lakers lack of effort and class in their Game 4 loss.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky says the Lakers' poor effort in Game 4 symbolizes their up-and-down season.

-- Lakers.com's Mike Trudell has a running diary of the Lakers-Mavericks game. 

-- Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore describes the Lakers' elimination as a "low point in Laker history."

-- Forum Blue and Gold's Darius Soriano thought the Lakers' Game 4 loss provided a microcosm of the entire series. 

Interview

I appeared on Comcast SportsNet New England with Michael Felger to discuss the Lakers Game 4 loss to Dallas.

Mark Medina on Comcast SportsNet New England

Tweet of the Day: "Phil in his press conference after the game showed a man at peace, speaking matter of factly about events, the frustration of his team, etc. ... I was right. This is closure. At least for the Lakers portion of Phil Jackson's life. All questions were answered. Nothing to second guess." -- lazenby (Longtime Laker author Roland Lazenby)

 

 

Rick Friedman Reader Comment of the Day: "This feels a lot like when we ended the 2003-2004 season. Bad taste in my mouth." -- NuggetsCountry

-- Mark Medina

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Photos, from top: Lakers Coach Phil Jackson is greeted by friends and family as he makes his way to the news conference after Game 4 in Dallas, May 8, 2011. Kobe Bryant exits American Airlines Arena after the 122-86 loss. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times

 
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Blame Game….Post season grades

Total team effort in losing this one.

FO gave away Sasha and made poor choice with Theo (Grade B-)

PJ failed to prepare Ebanks, and staff could never figure defense to slow down Mavs (Grade C-)

Pau – very subpar in both rounds. (Grade D+)

Bynum - Very good vs NO…slipped some vs. Dallas, but showed passion in gm3 (Grade B-)

Kobe – Still very good, but noticeable slippage in the clutch (Grade B)

Artest – One game suspension was very costly (Grade C)

Fish – Couldn’t hit anything in elimination game (Grade C)

LO – Not a 6th man worthy postseason (Grade C)

Killer B’s – underachieved. Blake and Brown had both positive and negative moments, while Barnes never was a factor (Grade C-)

Going to leave the breakdowns for another time.

I want to THANK the Lakers organization for providing so many wonderful moments over the years.

THANK YOU to all the players for the joy you've given us.

THANK YOU for giving us championships and great drama, moreso than any other team in all of pro sports.

THANK YOU to Mitch Kupchak, you did what few GM's in pro sports have done, reloaded on the run. The Lakers went 4 years between Finals appearances with two distinctly different teams.

THANK YOU to Jerry Buss for sparing no expense and being as classy an owner as there is anywhere.

Most especially THANK YOU to Phil Jackson, possibly the greatest coach of all-time in all sports. We have been privileged and spoiled to regularly watch greatness.

The Lakers have provided all of us some of the best times of our lives, THANK YOU!


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!

First, congrats to the Mavs. In so many ways, this team was built to deal with the Lakers: match interior size with size and take advantage of guards by spreading out and hitting 3s. I personally thought that would fail over a 7 game series, but obviously I was wrong! I've never seen shooting like what I saw yesterday, not in a game and not in a practice. Once the Dallas players got going, it didn't matter what defense the Lakers played.

Second, thanks to the Lakers for an incredible decade. If, as so many suggest, this is the end of an era, then it was an incredible ride. The highs far outweigh the lows, at least for me. As a longtime fan, I've seen the best and the worst and I realize that not every year is going to turn out with a parade. This hurts a lot, but last year was so gratifying. I would not trade the one to avoid the other, it's all tied together.

Unfortunately, many of the fears I had for this season all came together in this series. The signs were there all year, but I really thought we would make it back to the Finals. This sort of ass-kicking at least focuses the organization!

I know we all have our own opinions of what should happen next. Let me just say I will still support this team and its players. It is much, much better to be a Laker fan and come here to celebrate or commiserate with fellow fans. The alternative is to be some jackass that trolls on another team's board whooping it up about winning a series. No thanks!

@Nuggets – congrats on the Friedman. I thought about 2004 as well.

As great as the Kobe/Fish/Phil era has been…most of the season ending losses have been complete blowouts.

98 – Blowout in sweep lost to Utah (Nick famous “we just can’t beat them)
99 – Blowout in sweep lost to SA (Mario Elie famous we shut down the Forum)
03 – Blowout in gm 6 vs. SA (Kobe/Fish famous “cry-game”)
06 – Blowout in gm 7 vs. Phoenix (Phil bad strategy of telling red hot Kobe to pound the ball inside in the 2nd half)
08 – Blowout in gm6 vs. Boston


PS…I know Phil wasn’t there in 98 or 99, and Fish wasn’t on the team in 06.

The Mother's Day Massacre of 2011 will serve notice to the League. The fallen champion will regroup, reload, recommit, restore, relive, and repent. The end of ANOTHER Lakers Dynasty only signals the inevitable: the beginning of the NEXT Lakers Dynasty.

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Thank you, Laker Nation!

DBDH!


Magic johnson needs to STFU. If he says he's embarrassed or disappointed lakers lost hes freakin lying

MM..

WTH! I just woke up and I'm angry. I want a place to vent my thoughts and I don't want to wait two hours to see my comments posted.

Lakers just got swept and I want to commiserate with my fellow lakerfans.. Have a freakin heart here! Damn!

MM.. This is the morning after a historical meltdown of epic proportions and ur moderating our comments??!! Get a frickin clue man!!

"÷ They proved through the series that Derek Fisher should not be getting more than 8 minutes a game because he's a complete liability out there - but Lakers fans all season have pointed to an occasional big shot to justify his 30 minutes of ineptitude. …"

"…They proved that Phil Jackson was incapable of making adjustments in a series without the stellar assistant coaches who aren't there any more."

I'm eager for the exit interviews and any follow up that PJ or other coaching staff chooses to give.

Congratulations to the Dallas Mavericks. I wish you luck in the playoffs, and I hope you don't give another title to Miami (come on... don't do it!).

Some things I really like about your team:

1. You play with poise.
2. You have great shooters.
3. You have the size to match up with most teams in the league.
4. Coach Carlisle has done an excellent job this season.

Some things I don't like about your team:

1. You are floppiest of floppers. It's amazing, really.
2. The "three goggles" after made 3s. Honestly, though, I think I'm just jealous. My Lakers rarely have the opportunity to earn "three goggles."
3. Mark Cuban. He bugs that crap out of me. But I'm sure he's a great owner, and I respect him.

You played great team basketball. You shot unbelievably well. I've never seen the basket look THAT big before.

Congratulations. I hope we meet again soon.

Go Lake Show!

I wake up today happy. As a Laker fan I can reflect on another era of success. Change is healthy and good. Hey, we still have Dr. Buss, right? What's there to worry about? Our current team is tired and a little emotionally broken. A few tweaks here and there keeps us competitive. A new coach may even play younger guys. I can't wait for next year! Go Lakers!

Very disappointed in Odom and Bynum's display at the end. Odom at least said it was wrong and wished he hadn't done it, and Bynum's comments showed no remorse. The final outcome was predictable from the first game. I hope those that blame Gasol will read the nba stats because they do give him a higher EFF rating for the series than kobe. Gasol led the team in assists and kobe led the team in turnovers and missed shots, allowing almost as many points to be scored against him than what he was scoring. Its fun to watch kobe's fancy shots, but it is painfull to watch all the rediculous misses.

Any Jonny boy K sightings ?

Any Jonny boy K sightings ?

we will get them next year:)

Enough with the recriminations about the players. They gave 100% but their tank was dry. This playoff loss was easily seen at the start of the season after having lost two quick guards and a quick small forward only to replace them with three aging players. The team started to ware down at the end of the reegular season and was worn out by the 2nd round having to chase and "funnel" the smaller quick guards. Couple that with the refs allowing a very physical game with the bigs and you have the results as demonstrated. Enough also with the shocked expressions about the two hard fouls at the end of the game. Time was when a guard was piling it on, driving for an uncontested layup when the game was out of reach, they were taught that you dont embarass a team that way. Cann't anyone remember the bad boy Pistons or the Celtics Chief or many orther centers defending their basket as Bynum did? Perhaps Bynum should have swiped at the ball a bit, but that would have only made the foul harder IMO.

Congratulations Dallas. You outplayed the Lakers from end to end...period. Now it's time to start looking at the next edition of the Lakers. What kind of offense/defense will they adopt and who will they be able to put around Kobe/Drew/Pau(?) to make the system work? In the words of Bobby Vinton: "Yes it's gonna be a long, lonely Summer..."

JR

CHECKING IN . . .


I am assuming that in the days and weeks to follow comments of ridicule and emotional venting will flow freely here. It is what happens at the end of EVERY season that does NOT end with a championship. Those of us who have been along for the ride for a long time (first heart break was in '69 here), understand this.


I have been called out recently by a few bloggers here, requesting I show up. My absence has been due to my disattisfaction to an increasingly immature tone of junior-high-school-like drivel that seems to smother attempts at entertaining and insightful dialogues of Lakers and NBA. (Hopefully a cure to this malady will be implemented before the LA Times discovers it has lost what was once a robust community of readers and bloggers.)


Today I check in, out of respect to my fellow bloggers and to affirm my fan support for the Lakers. Today is a gloomy day. Disappointment. Questions. Heartache. Even a bit of anger (however misplaced it may be).


But...
--even in the face of unseemly postings here that defame others...
--even in the aftermath of a very disappointing ending to a disappointing season
--even as I wince at an uncertain near future (labor issues) and long-term future (rebuilding?)
--even as I field text messages, emails, and face-to-face tauntings of family, friends, and acquaintances who seem to exalt in this opportunity to take this painful loss and rub it in


I am checking in today. I am here. Present and accounted for. Life goes on.


1. Thanks to those of you who were the voices of concern all season long, unafraid to speak your mind, yet with respect and continued support of the team.

2. Thanks to those of you who were the voices of unwavering loyalty, some may say "blind" loyalty, but none-the-less a season-long force of positive energy and respect.

3. Thanks to those of you who are NOT Lakers fans (eg 131-92) who were contrary voices, respectful yet edgy time and time again.

4. Thanks to MM for his tireless efforts in keeping us informed, even when managing the comments half of his job obviously overwhelmed him.

5. Last, but not least, thanks to the Lakers organization for providing me a wonderful ride through five decades of fandom.


I am checking in today.
--In the face of adversity.
--In respect to my fellow bloggers.


And, I am NOT checking out.
Mike

Kobe <> Jordan

I wonder how many of you understand the above???

Bynum = Bush League....not class

Kobe's done......at least Kobe beat Shaq to be "the man" in LA


CHECKING IN . . .


I am assuming that in the days and weeks to follow comments of ridicule and emotional venting will flow freely here. It is what happens at the end of EVERY season that does NOT end with a championship. Those of us who have been along for the ride for a long time (first heart break was in '69 here), understand this.


I have been called out recently by a few bloggers here, requesting I show up. My absence has been due to my disattisfaction to an increasingly immature tone of junior-high-school-like drivel that seems to smother attempts at entertaining and insightful dialogues of Lakers and NBA. (Hopefully a cure to this malady will be implemented before the LA Times discovers it has lost what was once a robust community of readers and bloggers.)


Today I check in, out of respect to my fellow bloggers and to affirm my fan support for the Lakers. Today is a gloomy day. Disappointment. Questions. Heartache. Even a bit of anger (however misplaced it may be).


But...
--even in the face of unseemly postings here that defame others...
--even in the aftermath of a very disappointing ending to a disappointing season
--even as I wince at an uncertain near future (labor issues) and long-term future (rebuilding?)
--even as I field text messages, emails, and face-to-face tauntings of family, friends, and acquaintances who seem to exalt in this opportunity to take this painful loss and rub it in


I am checking in today. I am here. Present and accounted for. Life goes on.


1. Thanks to those of you who were the voices of concern all season long, unafraid to speak your mind, yet with respect and continued support of the team.

2. Thanks to those of you who were the voices of unwavering loyalty, some may say "blind" loyalty, but none-the-less a season-long force of positive energy and respect.

3. Thanks to those of you who are NOT Lakers fans (eg 131-92) who were contrary voices, respectful yet edgy time and time again.

4. Thanks to MM for his tireless efforts in keeping us informed, even when managing the comments half of his job obviously overwhelmed him.

5. Last, but not least, thanks to the Lakers organization for providing me a wonderful ride through five decades of fandom.


I am checking in today.
--In the face of adversity.
--In respect to my fellow bloggers.


And, I am NOT checking out.
Mike


I just read the previous commentart and I have to say I respect Mark Medina a little less on this day. Pau Gasol did play terrible but last time I checked the areas that the Lakers lost this series on have little to do with Pau Gasol. If the article would have talked about the terrible outside shooting that allowed the Mavericks to clog the lane with bodies then I would have been okay. If he would have talked about the non existent three point defense of the Laker's that allowed Jason Terry and Peja to look great I might have been okay with the commentary. If Mark would have included the non existent bench contributions, the lack of any scoring from the small forward position, or Derek Fisher's inability to hit big shots to make up for his terrible defense and bad shooting I might have accepted the commentary as valid. As it stands though it sounds like Mark Medina is blaming everything on Gasol, so tell me this would Gasol playing better have meant that the perimeter players would be able to hit wide open threes, would it have caused the perimeter defenders to actually defend the perimeter, would it have stopped the opposing guards from easily penetrating the defense meaning the bigs had to cover the penetration leaving their man open for easy points on lobs and put backs? No, the reason the Lakers lost was due to a terrible bench and the inability to hit open shots created by the Mavericks focusing on the bigs down low. To top it off Kobe had a mediocre postseason at best and the only player who showed up was Bynum, and that falls into the about time category. Pau Gasol had a terrible playoffs, but so did a number of Laker's and blaming Pau for the playoff collapse is the easy explanation. The real reason is much harder to address because lets face it, the Lakers are stuck with Fisher, Blake, Ron, and Luke because nobody wants these players for what they are paid. We do not have the money to replace Brown or Barnes so they might come back as well. So how do you fix this problem.

With all that said, I would like to tip my hat to the core Laker players who over the past four years have brought two championships to LA and three Western Conference titles. If the core of this team is broken up I will look back fondly on what this Laker team was able to accomplish.

In terms of Howard, Ric Bucher on ESPN, said that it would be up to Howard to drive any conversation as to where he would be willing to go. Howard for Bynum? Again, all depends on the sales job Kobe can make to Dwight.

FIRE MITCH KUPCHAK!
If the Lakers are going to clean house, they better start at the top with Mitch Kupchak. I’m tired of his BONEHEADED decision making:

Signing Walton to a 6 year contract = EPIC FAIL!

Releasing a young, proven Trevor Ariza for a mentally unstable, inconsistent, older Ron Artest = EPIC FAIL!

Releasing a young, proven backup PG, Jordan Farmar. Even if he wanted out of LA, money talks…Pay the man = FAIL!

Releasing Josh Powell, a dependable young back-up power forward with upside = FAIL!

Signing over the hill Derek Fisher to a 3 year contract…Fisher, do yourself a favor and retire = EPIC FAIL!

Signing an unproven 30 year old Steve Blake to a 4 year contract (4.0ppg, 2.2apg this season is self explanatory) = FAIL!

Signing over the hill Theo Ratlicenter who played a fraction of the season = EPIC FAIL!

ff as a backup Trading away Sasha (only dependable 3 point shooter) and a 1st round draft pick for over the hill Joe Smith = EPIC FAIL! I wonder if shedding salary was worth getting swept…SMH.

Standing pat at the trade deadline knowing full well of glaring issues with the team (multiple losing streaks, losing to Cleveland, poor bench production, Ron Artest) = EPIC FAIL!

Mitch needs to be held accountable for his actions. As a result of Mitch’s poor decision making, the Lakers suffered an embarrassing 2nd round exit. If that’s not grounds for his TERMINATION, then I don’t know what is.

Howard, CP and DWill all have the Melo Option during and after next season. They all will drive the conversation. Melo wanted to go to NY and that's exactly where he went. If their respective teams trade them to a team they don't want to go to, they simply can be Free agents after next season and whoever has them will be out of major luck. Melo was NOT going to sign with NJ, so the Nuggs could, basically, only trade him to where he wanted to go. These players can virtually demand and if they aren't met, their teams would get NOTHING, like Cleveland for LeBron and Toronto for Bosh. Might be a fun off-season!?

Fisher's inability to can't anyone finally caught up with the Lakers.

Quick guards penetrated an then kicked out, Mavs then made extra pass
Bingo ...
Wide open three was nailed.

Lakers perimeter defense was terrible and D. Fish is the culprit as he played majority of the minutes.

Posted after last season letting Farmar leave was DUMB DUMB DUMB.

Don't think Andrew Bynum and Kobe can co-exist.

Time to trade Bynum for Dwight Howard.

Hey sorry for the delay in comments. Unfortunately I have to have it on moderation because of the handle jacks. Here is a proposal, though I know some have been reluctant in embracing this in the past. Many of our blogs have required users to sign in through Facebook, making it possible to share items on your facebook page and minimizing any worry about a handle jack getting stolen. I can pass along to upper management what you guys think of that idea

Kobe is not close to done, what a joke. His stats for the season mirrored his career ave's and he shot nearly 50% in the Playoffs and had a bunch of assists and steals. Is he 23, no, but he's got plenty left. And why does he have to carry the whole load? Dirk got his, but he had MAJOR help with Terry and Stoyacovich (sp)! Kobe had basically NO help (a little from Drew).

MM, It's a thought, not crazy about opening a FB page though. How about holding live chats every (day or as you can) so often? Most of us know you do what you can and we appreciate it.

@Hobbit....I'm still waiting for 888 to be a man face the music and not run like a spineless coward.. It better be soon or he better never show his face ever again.

@PSP... Nice to issue an arrest warrant on 888.. Haha.. And to think there was once even a restraining order on this guy... 888 is now a fugitive! Medina better alert the authorities on all other laker blogs so he can be extradited and tried here in the LATimes blog where he should face proper prosecution.. I'll be waiting here with my whip.

So much for the “Kobe versus Jordan” non-debate debate.

I don’t recall Jordan ever quitting.

All the blame for Pau is misguided at best...this team starts and ends with Ballhog Bryant.

Recall, Kobe wasn't doing jack without Shaq or Pau. Shaq as the clear #1 and Pau as the clear #2.

"Howard, CP and DWill all have the Melo Option during and after next season. They all will drive the conversation."

Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | May 09, 2011 at 09:26 AM

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Very, very true but I think the real lure for coming to L.A. was to be coached by Jackson and his staff. Now that he's gone, it will be whether or not these athletes will want to play with Kobe. I have my reservations. We're all in for a very long off season. GO MAVS!!

Posters just need to stop complaining and learn how to use the "scroll wheel." Medina is "darned if he does and darned if he doesn't" with "insta post." Stop being so "old!"

NuggetsCountry - I wholeheartedly agree.

Bad taste and the feeling that it's all going to change. Except this time, the team lost the the two things I have always loved about Laker basketball: class and composure. And what's really unfortunate is that the actions will linger to next season (whenever that will be) due to suspensions.

It wouldn't surprise me if Stern puts the Dallas / Lakers playing on opening night to add even more salt to the wounds. The Lakers might possibly be standing there watching the Mavs get rings.

It's been a really fun run with all the loyal fans and regulars here. We Laker fans have been spoiled for the last 3 years and 2 championships.

I think I will be taking off the Summer too. I will check in especially when there is big news. But I feel like I need to regroup just like the team.

I am angry about the loss of composure especially from AB17. He had a short, but impressive playoff run. However, it was punctuated not by injury but by a completely immature, stubborn and totally classless action. His selfish act may impact the next Laker team in the playoffs and could quite possibly bring retaliation that is injurious. And there was abolutely no apology from him.

I don't believe he has the DNA to be the next "great Laker center". After 7 years of learning from Cap, PJ and many other Hall of Fame mentors, you would think there is one thing AB17 could have learned. THE LAKERS ARE ALL ABOUT CLASS. He failed miserably at this lesson and its an embarrassment to the Buss family and his Laker teammates.

At some point over the next 5 months while AB is fulfilling his travel dreams and spending all the time he wants with his family, I hope AB is able to discover team over self.

Cheers - PLG

This isn't phils jackson retirement ceremony.. Why are we sitting here congratulating him after he just got his arse handed to him by carlisle and got outcoached again??

He better take his damn triangle with him.. Its obvious its not gonna work anymore with an aging kobe who can't bail him out anymore.. A triangle would require years of learning curve of which we cannot afford with new players.. We need a coach who understand Xs and Os and will finally draw up plays to free up kobe...

And dfish better call it quits so he can retire with some pride.. Do the right thing and don't make the lakers force you out.. Turn in ur uniforms grab that clipboard and for chists sake take luke with you!

After a tough loss, the usual suspects come out. Where were KL Beast and Gunner during the back-to-back championships?

Nowhere to be seen. And that's exactly why their hater opinions mean exactly NOTHING to me.

Thanks to the real fans who have demonstrated unwavering belief and class these last few years. This is our team, and it always will be.

Go Lake Show!

Checking in here -

That was a pretty terrible loss. Pretty awful feeling. Internally, I was worried about Dallas being able to sweep us, but hoped for the best.

I too am looking forward to the exit interviews to get a glimpse of where everyone is headed. I worry though that the upcoming labor strife will put a muzzle on things.

Congrats to the Mavs for doing what they needed to do in game 4 - never let the foot off the pedal. It will be curious to see how they match up with the winner of the other WC series between Memphis and OKC.

I'll try to save any trade-talk/analysis/etc. until the labor agreement gets done - no need for me to get hyped up about things when there is a distinct possibility that the next season may not even happen.

First off I wanna thank the Mavs for putting us out of our misery quickly. That was the most humane thing to do.

I wanna thank the 00-02 Lakers for showing us true championship basketball (even though they were dysfunctional). Thanx to the current arrogant Lakers for the two championships and little else. Remember, they put us through Hell getting there.

I can only hope the Mavs defeat the Princess James and the Crybabies. Even if it'll make me sick watching Psycho Eyes Cuban celebrate. As much as I hope Chicago beats them turds I think we're all out of upsets for these playoffs.

And what's all this sudden love for Sasha??? Do you REALLY think he would've made any difference? Seriously, the trade made absolute sense at the time as we had a major problem at the 5. As much as I rooted for pretty boy he only brought it ONE season. I loved his passionate hatred for the Pukes in Green though.

About the next coach, I'm not sure Brian Shaw would be a good choice as I think this bunch needs someone new to step in and shake things up. Who? Beats me...

I have the deepest sympathy for Gasol. He had the weight of the world on his shoulders and crumbled. According to some people here this renders him useless cause' there ain't no room for weaklings. Sounds like Germany in the 30's... Poor guy hit a major funk at the worst possible time. That's it! I think he's got more left in him than Kobe (!!!) What I mean by this sacrilege is I believe Pau can perform at a for him normal level for longer than Kobe can. Kobe's already shown us he's not superhuman anymore. Especially in the crucial 4th qt. I still think we need to bring a killer onboard this sinking ship to restore some order. That has never been Gasols role. He'll always be a perfect #2 (no pun intended...)

Pau has logged more regular season minutes this season since 2006, when he was only 25 years. And a lot of those minutes were expended banging bodies against natural centers because Bynum was not available and Ratliff was injured. From another perspective, he logged more than double the playing minutes of Bynum and almost 300 minutes more than the closest Laker (Kobe). As someone else noted, he already looked burned by December.

In the Mavs series, an already worn-down Gasol was tasked with guarding one-on-one the most difficult 7-footer to cover. If you don't think guarding Dirk saps your energy, just look at the drop in Kobe's productivity when he has to guard difficult opponents like DWade.

Pau's tank was running on fumes.

I am still heartbroken from this.

I have a few comments...

I don't want to see any more reality television programs.

I don't want to see any more going before Congress to promote various charities during the season.

I don't want to see any more t-shirts that read "Matt Barnes will kill you if Ron Artest doesn't kill you first."

I don't want to see any more guest appearances on "C.S.I."

I don't want to hear of any more Tweets on Twitter.

I don't want to hear of any player's wives flirting on Twitter.

I don't want to see any mini-movies with Kanye West.

ALL I WANT IS FOR OUR MULTI-MILLIONAIRE PLAYERS TO PLAY BASKETBALL!!!!!

ALL I WANT IS FOR OUR PLAYERS TO BE BASKETBALL PLAYERS!!!

THAT IS ALL I WANT!!!!

AND THAT IS ALL WE SHOULD EXPECT AS LAKERAHOLICS!!!

NOTHING MORE!!! NOTHING LESS!!!!

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

It's amazing how the irresponsibility of ladies can cause grown men to crumble.

Some lunatic psycho accuses Kobe of rape and it ultimately causes the Lakers to lose our Championship in 2005.

LeBron's mom loses all sense of healthy boundaries and it causes the Cavs to implode and psychically scars a community desperate for a hero.

Pau's fiance lacks the basic moral fiber to wait until AFTER the playoffs to dump Pau and it costs Los Angeles a Championship and scars millions of people emotionally.

What pathetic, histrionic selfishness.

Pau, dude, you broke my heart this playoffs, but I feel your pain. That girl wasn't worthy of your love. She is flat out a bad person.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Lakers are old with three consecutive trips to the finals. That is a lot of wear and tear. And there number 2 superstar, the younger one, and much younger in terms of basketball mileage played flat the entire post-season. When Pau played old and slugish it was all over for the Lakers.

Spurs could not keep up with the age on their roster either. I could have it wrong, but it seems like there are A LOT of talented young teams out there. Mavs have some age Celtics are also old but their engizer bunny Rondo is young, Ray Allen seems timeless, and if you look at KG and Pierce I wounder how many fewer games they have played than Kobe with all his playoff games. But all the rest left are very young teams. Rose might be the quickest player I have ever seen.

The Laker roster is talented but it lacks EXPLOSIVENESS that these other teams have, or at least most of them. I expect OKC to win, but I am not sure we could have kept up with the youth, energy, desire of either Griz or Thunder.

Truth be told going out in 4 might be a blessing in disquise. Players need to rest and heal and it looks like they also need time away from each other. It will be tough going forward. But we have a great advantage that players want to play here, they want to be Lakers, they want to play for Dr. Buss.

Some of the contracts are troubling. Not sure how we get more youth and what we do about point. But the advantage of players wanting to be Lakers...helps a great deal.

Amazing decade...amazing memories. Whatever happens I will be rooting when things get cranked back up which might not be for quite awhile with a work stopage likely.

This team showed their true colors Sunday. They have no class. The two thugs on the team should be suspended from the NBA for life. They brought disgrace to their team and to the city of LA. I used to be a laker fan but, from now on I will be routing for the other team.

Morning LakerCrew,

Wow, the word cant describe the feeling that we all got after yesterdays game! It was the worst game that I have seen so far! No effort, No shots, and No hussle! yesterday was a very sad day for everyone! I didnt see my team going out like this, getting swept by stupid Dalls, not like this LA oh why oh why? couldnt you give us games 5 and 6? or even 7?? why did our defending champs had to leave before we even got into the finals? this was very very disturbing! What makes me even more upset is that, since we couldnt make any shots, or do layups, stupid Mavs ended up sinking every single 3 pointer, and it was like a dagger to my heart watching them prance around their home floor, making the stupid fans cheer and tount our team, watching Jason "Dumbo" terry act like his the Sh*t annoyed the hell out of me... sadly i have no words to describe what i felt, just disapointment from the start to the end!!

My Lakers flag still flying high on my car window today.

We had previously demonstrated that we can defend 3-pt shooting teams. In the 2009 Finals, ORL was a better 3-pt shooting team than this current DAL team.

So why was the 2009 team more successful defending the 3-pt shooters? We had Ariza, Sasha and Jordan who were quicker to rotate in covering the 3-pt shooter. We also had a dedicated defensive coordinator (Kurt Rambis); that role was never re-filled after Kurt left for MIN.

In the meantime, we re-tooled the lineup in anticipation of a clash with the Miami Big 3. Unfortunately, a 3-pt shooting team ambushed us and we did not have the right personnel to cover.

David Friedman said... on his blog "20 Second Timeout"

"I don't put any stock into random rumors--and even if the rumors are true, Gasol is a very highly paid professional who has an obligation to perform well. Joe Dumars won the Finals MVP after his father died and many other players have overcome personal tragedies or injuries to author great playoff performances.

Gasol has been soft for his whole career, so what we are seeing is not really new; the only differences are that he has never played quite this badly and that Kobe is not able to put on the Superman cape to rescue the Lakers from Gasol and the non-existent bench."

Sunday, May 08, 2011 3:30:00 AM

@NuggetsCountry
I thought and felt the exact smae way! What a terrible way to go out.

@PLG
Excellent comments about Socks. I could see the Lakers shipping him out this summer, but then again, he wasn't the big man on this team who truly let us down.

M
@LRob
my season grades:

FO: Sasha wasn't going to play anyway. Theo was a bad decision, but most of us here thought that Blake and Barnes would fit in much better than they did. (Grade B)

Coaching: PJ never gives rooks a chanc. Staff DID never figure defense to slow down Mavs (Grade C-)
Coaching(Phil's tenure with the Lakers): A

Pau – Terrible for a large portion of the season and the entire playoffs. (Grade: BIG OLD FAIL)

Bynum - hurt team chemistry for the first section of the season. Great in spurts during the playoffs. He needed to be much more consistant to stay off of the trading block this summer. (Grade C)

Kobe – Did all he could to keep this lackluster sqaud into it (Grade A-)

Artest – Made me still pine for Ariza all season long (Grade D+)

Fish – Effort was there, but couldn't hit many open shots (Grade C)

LO – Excellent reg season, sub-par post season (Grade B-)

Killer B’s – Completely underachieved ALL SEASON LONG. Blake was way too hesitant with his shot. Barnes never really did get into the flow of any game, except for that reg season game when he was perfect from the field and from the stripe. UPS was just as inconsistant as ever and only played well the first month of the season. He will be a throw in in a large trade due to the fact that he refuses to make a SIMPLE ENTRY POST PASS!!!(Grade D_)

I do want to thank and congratulate Phil for bringing us 5 CAHMPIONSHIPS during his time here! Enjoy your retirement, for at least a year, because I think you'll be back with another team in the future.


nikka please Dallas rules

I am so broken-hearted. During the live game chat in Game 3, I felt that the Lakers have quit. I was so damned wishing I was wrong but I was not :-(

Hard to belive. If we have to believe the rumors, these women have cost the Lakers a 3-peat. As they say, "behind the great success or biggest failure of a man is a woman"

With that said, I still love my Lakers!!!

Jeter,
While the players you mentioned all have club options, it is different than the Melo case because of the lockout.

The OWNERS completely control the fate of Williams, Paul (although NO IS owned by the league) and Howard. Here is why:
since there may be no games next year anyway, they will give them all a take it or leave it offer - with no games anyway, what do they care? If they choose to leave it, they will be making about 1/3 less with another team, which is not the lakers since kobe will take up about 1/2 the cap by himself. OR, they will trade them where the owners want them to go - would you rather get 2 players for Howard, or 1 who's not as good? "So, Dwight, here is your max contract offer - sign it and stay with us for the next 5 years and we'll build around you. OR, after the lockout, become a FA, sign with another team with cap space like CLE or MN and start all over again, and good luck to you."

Melo was unique - the owners will let these guys go - what do they care?

@MM - The comment at 9:52am is not from me.


I do appreciate all you do for the blog. Regarding your proposal. I'm not on facebook so I would vote no to that change.

@LROB ... Like all your posts, extremely fair grades. Ending like this is especially hard for bloggers like me who wear their hearts on their sleeves but it is only one season and we will reload and come back better than ever. Thanks for all your efforts at keeping us positive and focused. You are the class of this blogging group without a doubt and I look forward to sharing many more rings.
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@CCX ... I agree with your post. As Lakers fans, we have more to be grateful for than any other NBA fans. Even though we want to win every year, reality is that we have to let other teams win once in a while. Yes, we made front office and coaching mistakes but you can’t predict things like Pau falling apart. I am sure Mitch and Jerry will make the right decisions moving forward. We will be back.
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@NUGGETSCOUNTRY ... Well, we did not win but we still have you in good health and that is more important than a championship. Congrats on another Friedman. Rick would be proud of you. Looking forward to sharing more championships with you in the future. Stay healthy and relax.
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@LAKERMIKE ... Welcome back, Mike. There will be more wins and more championships in the years to come. Time now for us just to be grateful for everything this team has accomplished in the last three years. Wished it was four rings but 2 out 4 ain’t bad and 3 out of 5 will be our next goal.
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@DEREK JETER... Not to rain on your little parade, but if anybody is traded from this team it needs to be Pau Gasol, whose play is the primary reason why the team chemistry and trust fell apart as the year ended. To trade Drew and keep Pau would be tantamount to rewarding his bailing on the team. Yeah, let’s ignore all the problems at point guard, small forward, and power forward and trade the guy who played best all playoffs and keep those who didn’t. That’s like a Botox move, DJ.
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TOM

this deserves to be RE-PRINTED

"Medina,

You can't have it both ways..........as Khalil Gibran the great Lebanese Philosopher stated........."If one wishes to teach others he must first teach himself"

If You urge the team to take responsibility then shouldn't ultimately Phil Jackson set the example by taking responsibility??

This team this year is a reflection of it's coach...........Poor gameplans, slow to make in-game adjustments, laziness, inability to accept responsibility, arrogance...............every weakness you can name with this club as a fault.........it's microcosm lies in the person of Phil Jackson .........especially this year.

Phil Jackson's success has made him prideful and arrogant and it has caused him to stop growing as a person and a coach. Any man of wisdom understands that you seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave and once a man embarks on the road to knowledge he is on the path until he returns because knowledge and growth are infinite.

Phil Jackson has reached a plateau in his desire to learn and grow and instead of inspiring the troops his teaching has become a potpourri of excuse making, dissension, control by division and ultimately humiliation and death.

Nobody, not even the great Phil Jackson...... can avert this law for it is universal law..............Phil and his ideas being put out to pasture is as natural as the evening rain. Let his demise be a lesson to all of us to always be humble and to never stop learning and growing and being receptive of sources that you may even feel are beneath you.


Good riddance Phil Jackson................Now the re-birth can begin in Lakerland

Posted by: pfunk36 | May 08, 2011 at 05:13 PM"

BTW,
Magic is no longer my favorite Laker. His remarks on the Lakers all season long make him look like an unintelligent ESPN Bandwagoner.
Get a clue Magic and have some respect for the Franchise who gave you the forum to become great!

wore my Laker jersey all day yesterday after the game, hoping that a Mavs fan would try to tount me, but I had no takers...

Also, this is when you find out whos a bandwagon hopper, a lot of people deserted this Laker team 2 games ago, but not me! Im still staying true to my colors, its LA all the way!!

listen guys who cares what LO or BYNUM did. I am not mad at them or what they did, its only human and natural for someone to do that, they fought hard throught the regular season to come and get swept by the Mavs? yeah each and every one on this blog knows it, i almost jumped in the TV and killed "Terrier"! I mean you could see it in Drews and LO's face, they didnt want to go down like this, personally to me it only looked like both LO and DREW really badly cared about the season and this game, everyone else looked like they were palying a regualr season game!!

But also i noticed how we were getting no calles, throughout the series with Dallas, No CALLS everywhere, so I can see why lamar or bynum did that! Ever since KOBE cussed out that one referee, we have been in this deep sh*t hole with no calls going our way, its so sad, but can someone stat me on the free throws Lakers shot compared to the Dallas Bavs!!!

HEY! KL Beast is back! Not surprised - he has to get his licks in on Kobe

>>>So much for the “Kobe versus Jordan” non-debate debate.
>>>I don’t recall Jordan ever quitting.
>>>All the blame for Pau is misguided at best...this team starts and ends with
>>>Ballhog Bryant.
>>>Recall, Kobe wasn't doing jack without Shaq or Pau. Shaq as the clear #1
>>>and Pau as the clear #2.

Wait, wasn't it you that said:

1. NO Free agent will ever want to play with Kobe. WRONG

2. Kobe will NEVER win any championships as the #1 player. WRONG

You just can't quit hatin' on Kobe and being wrong, can you? let me enlighten you on a few things:

Michael Jordan was swept out of the playoffs twice, and lost two series with only 1 win as well. He also missed the playoffs for two seasons. It's funny how Michael fans all think he made it to the finals every year and won a title every year. He didn't.

Just because your team loses doesn't mean you quit. It didn't mean it for MJ, and it doesn't mean it for Kobe. Just like MJ, Kobe's team faced a talented, better prepared team and got beat.

You call Kobe a ballhog, yet Kobe averaged less shots per game in this Dallas series than in all of those series that MJ lost. In the two series that Mikey got swept, he averaged 29 attempts per game. In this Dallas series, Kobe averaged 21 attempts per game. In fact, the only game the Lakers NEARLY won was because Kobe took 29 attempts.

Now who's a ball-hog? Kobe? Or your precious MJ?

Kobe was DELIBERATELY passing more because they were TRYING to take advantage of the Pau & Drew front court. It didn't work. Because the "clear #2 Pau" was shooting less than 50% for the series. Seriously, how does a 7-footer with some of the best post skills in the league shoot 42% for a series?

You're blaming Kobe for the loss, but other than the last 3 quarters of game 4, when he started desperately trying to shoot the Lakers back into the game (too late), he was shooting near 50%.

Seriously KL Beast, your hate of Kobe and your ignorance of the history of the NBA know no bounds.

BTW, KL Beast... remember that summer where you kept posting "Hey Kobe, how's my ass taste" over and over and over....

Well KL Beast, How does Kobe's ass taste?

LRob,

Since you started the Lets Grade the Team game, here's another set of grades.

Since it is well know that the Lakers play for Championships, or at least making it to the finals, this year was a failure.

These grades are just for this year, past years don't count ya know, just like in school, it doesn't matter what grades you got last semester.

Buss - spent $90 mill++ but wouldn't open up the wallet before the all-star break to try and improve obvious deficiencies, Grade F

Mitch - do I even need to list all the brilliant moves he made this past year, Grade F

Phil - should have left last year and he knew it, the team wasn't prepared from a technical standpoint and lousy time mgmt of players minutes, Grade F

All the players - they should have known better than to embrace any type of "practice season" or flipping switches mentality. Team chemistry was lousy, effort was inconsistent, attitude stunk, look in the mirror guys, Grade F

They all failed and will be held back a year. Some of them, hopefully, will be expelled or will transfer to another school.

>>>Kobe's done......at least Kobe beat Shaq to be "the man" in LA

So KL Beast, are you predicting that Kobe won't win any more rings?

Good. Because the last time you predicted that, the Lakers re-tooled a bit and he won two more.

When Kobe finishes winning his 7th ring, and then eventually loses a series after that, I hope to see you back here gloating about how terrible he was in the season after he won his 7th championship.

lakers returning to la defeated priceless!!!!!!!!

THE MIGHTY LAKERS FELL. WOW: IN LIFE THINGS HAPPEN. I STILL AM BLESSED AND THANK GOD TO HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF ROOTING FOR A TEAM WITH THE BEST PLAYER(KOBE, BEST COACH (PHIL) AND FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS THE BEST TEAM. I'M STILL VERY PROUD OF MY TEAM> I THINK INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY THEY THEMSELVES KNOW WHAT WENT WRONG AND WHAT WAS DONE WRONG. MY JOB IS TO LET THEM KNOW WIN OR LOSE, YOU'LL ALWAYS BE MY TEAM. I ENJOYED THE LEMONAIDE SO NOW, I WILL ENJOY THE LEMON JUICE. EVEN A BITTER TASTE IS BETTER THAN NO TASTE AT ALL. BEFORE WE GO RUNNING TO THE DOCTOR TO GET SURGERY, WE MIGHT ONLY NEED TO TAKE OUR MEDICINE. THE BEST CAR IN THE WORLD HAS TO PERIODICALY GO IN FOR SERVICE. MEN, REMEMBER THIS TO SHALL PASS. HOLD YOUR HEADS UP HIGH AND REMEMBER. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A TOMORROW. GOD BLESS YOU'LL FOR A GOOD SEASON. ALWAYS REMEMBER. SOME SORES HEAL EASIER THAN OTHERS, BUT THEY ALL WILL EVENTUALLY HEAL. PSALMS 121 PSALMS 46:10

>>>It's amazing how the irresponsibility of ladies can cause grown men to crumble.

Jon K,

You left out Vanessa getting offended by some innocent flirting by Karl Malone and driving him away before a season when they could REALLY have used him.

and also Khloe dragging Lamar into some reality show and distracting him from doing his job when he was most needed.

The strong man can live without love. Gasol should remember Lakers paying him 17 mil a year, Lakers organization has nothing to do with his personal life.
Kobe and Gasol did not play well, Lakers team missed 15,20 points more from both of them. Phil should let Gasol play only 10 min a game, the guy lost his mind, no way he can help this team to win. If Phil coached every min, every second in game 1 and 2, the result would be much better.

Laker Season Wrap-up
1. In summary, it was truly a great run, no matter how badly it ended. Plenty of great memories, and lots of thanks to go around. The current hurt is bitter, but it won’t last long against all the highlights of the last 4 years, if not the last 10.
2. Our fate this year was sealed from the very start. Phil, as great as his legacy is, simply should not have returned. His heart wasn’t in it, and in the end, neither was his team’s. No small coincidence there.
3. The triangle offense is to the NBA, what the single wing offense is to the NFL. Methodical. Powerful. Predictable. And ultimately, outdated and beatable. One went out about 50 years ago, the other has just left the building, never to return.
4. Rule #1 for “inside-out” strategy: you better have at least one guy who can consistently hit the outside shot. The Mavs had at least 4 guys who could. We had none. Ergo, we had an "inside-none" offense.
5. The nucleus of this team (Kobe, Bynum, Pau, and Lamar) can absolutely, positively win #17 next year…but NOT if they don’t have a young, quick, athletic elite PG that can also consistently hit the outside shot, game in and game out. As much as most of us love Fish (and I do), it’s time. The bad news: NONE of the non-nucleus remaining players is worth enough to get the required PG.
6. Ergo, I agree with Magic, you have to blow up this team and remake it, not just tweak it. Lots of possibilities once you make this “all in” decision. My gut tells me that our best shot is: Bynum for Howard, Pau for Deron Williams (yes, I like him more than CP3). And trade ALL the remaining players except Odom, Barnes, Ebanks, and Caracter for Kyle Korver. You could have the Singing Nuns to fill out the bench and this team would still win #17. I truly hate to lose both Bynum and Pau, but the truth is, Bynum will never have Laker DNA/smarts/class, and Pau will never have the toughness needed to play PF against the elite teams in this league.
7. Next coach: Rick Adelman. Honestly, my first choice would be Monty Williams of the New Orleans Hornets. Young, smart, classy, great strategist, and cool under pressure, but may not have the chops yet for such a veteran team. Adelman has it all, and the veterans will respect him. No way that Brian Shaw or Kurt Rambis could handle the new team.
8. System: SHOWTIME! No more plodding half-court, lazy pass, lazy cut nonsense…triangle, rhombus, whateva, be gone! This is L.A…the entertainment capital of the world…play like it.
9. Lastly, no matter what, no matter who plays or who coaches, I love our Lakers and will cheer for them win or lose.

LAKER AMIGOS, LET’S RIDE!!!

fake facebook profiles so that we can post under our handle and people can't hijack handles?

Sounds okay to me, but...

It will absolutely do two things though:
1. clean up the handle jacking and keep trolling somewhat less
2. discourage new people from posting

@ LakerTom - I get that for some reason you really dislike Pau, but did you just finish watching the same series. The Lakers lost because they had zero outside shooting and zero perimeter defense (neither of those have anything to do with Pau Gasol). Pau was terrible and deserves a C to C- for the season but to say he should be traded is ignoring the things this guy has given the Lakers including way too much time on the court this year. The guy has looked tired since late in the season and the fact that he logged such heavy minutes all year to cover for an oft injured center is a main reason for the fatigue. I will even say that trading Pau would be okay only if the Lakers got something of equal to greater value which will be next to impossible. Hopefully Bynum can string together a whole season next year, history is against him, but until then I would take Pau Gasol over the hobbled Andrew any day.

@Jon K
Amen to your posts at 10:15AM and 10:20AM!!!!!!

I think the positives outweigh the negatives on a FB requirement.

The reasons are because I truly believe the blog, as a community, will decay due to massive trolling and handle jacking.

What gets people engaged to comment is well thought out opinions of fellow Laker fans. When someone comes here and sees a bunch of garbage, it doesn't really look like a community but just a hodgepodge of anti-laker sentiment peppered with random decent posts.

In other words, I think Handle Jacks and terrible posts by trolls will turn away far more people than a FB requirement.

Laker fan-

Great weekend! Not only do they get swept ... they implode and get exposed! Thats what happens when you sign guys like Arrest and Barnes! You dont have to be a doctor to know that cancer spreads. Did you really think Barnes could shoot? Why do you think he plays for a new team every year? Did you think it was because his new team wanted him more than his old team?

Pau the most talented big man? LOL!! More talented than Dirk? More talented than KG? How myopic!!

Not only were the Lakers laid to rest but all these myths about the Lakers being "classy" ... Pau the most talented big man ... The Lakers being the most talented team in the NBA!! R.I.P.

My only concern was that the Mavs would beat you worse than we did!

PompousTom -

Still think the Lakers are "classy?" Your boy "the beast" needs to try eating a few more salads!!

LTILF-

Now who's the one watching the finals on their big screen tvs? Guess you guys wanted front row seats!

Andy L,

The thing with Sasha or Farmar isn't that these guys would have made all that much of a difference in the end. It's more a symbol of the trouble with the roster.

We tell Farmar to GTFO because Fisher is so much better than him, and he will never get his chance here, so move on. Besides, we'll replace you with Steve Blake.

To Mitch: How'd that work out for ya?

Then, to save money, we ship Sasha to the same place in return for worn useless parts. When our three point shooting allows Dallas to contain our inside game and truly costs us the series, we wonder if a sharp shooting guard would have spread the court and allowed the team to function a little better. Sure, we saved 6 million... but by getting swept, we just lost 20 million at least in lost revenue.

To Mitch: How'd that work out for ya?

It's not that these guys are incredible, just that the team as a whole kept swapping one guy for someone worse and someone older, and it didn't work.

@Tim-4-Show
What about the adoring Laker fans like myself and LRob who don't take part in Facebook?

We would be leftout.

OK.. OKAY!!, Lets bring Dwight Howard and Chris Paul to the LAKERS! and get rid of fisher and pau or Drew.. Lets move on!!! GO! LAKERS!!!!

Now who's the one watching the finals on their big screen tvs? Guess you guys wanted front row seats!
Posted by: 131-92 | May 09, 2011 at 11:18 AM

Say, 131-92, some of us here (including me) once thought you were classy too. Guess you just couldn't resist piling on here. Well, pull up a chair alongside us, bro, because you're going to be watching somebody else play in the finals too.

131-92

Do you think you're classy? I don't recall reading you here last year after game 7. It's so easy to beat someone who just lost, try to come here when your boys will be out after this round.

@BAKO LAKERS FAN ... I do admit that I am totally pissed and disgusted with Pau Gasol at this point and hope we trade him. I further blame him for all the lack of trust and effort that destroyed the team’s championship chemistry and cost us a chance to three-peat. I think he was a cancer on the team in the playoffs as you could see the outright anger and disgust aimed at him by Kobe, Drew, and even Phil. True that other players, including Drew in Game 7, did not come through but once everything all comes out, I have no doubt that the failure of this team will be justifiable laid on Pau. And frankly, I would take a hobbled Andrew Bynum over a gutless Pau Gasol every day of the week. And I bet you anything, that is the decision that the Lakers will make over the summer. Pau is gone.
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TOM


"The nucleus of this team (Kobe, Bynum, Pau, and Lamar) can absolutely, positively win #17 next year…but NOT if they don’t have a young, quick, athletic elite PG that can also consistently hit the outside shot, game in and game out. As much as most of us love Fish (and I do), it’s time." - Corner J

If we can get D Howard, we do it for either Pau or Bynum.
If not, we trade Pau for CP3.
I do not consider this "blowing up the team."

@ Laker Tom - You should take a day before you get all huffy about the contributions of Pau Gasol. I will give you today to vent, but after that maybe some perspective is in order. That perspective is that sicne coming to the Laker's they have gone to three NBA Finals and brought home two NBA Championships, all with a limited or absent Bynum. This Laker team has done some great things and if you think Gasol should be traded for some second rate player then you are being way too reactionary. He had a bad playoffs and to tell you the truth I think fatigue had way more to do with his bad play than his girlfriend or any other distraction. The Lakers sucked as a team, except Bynum finally decided this was the time to show up for the playoffs. Every laker, including Kobe who was mediocre at best, deserves some blame.

Say, 131-92, some of us here (including me) once thought you were classy too. Guess you just couldn't resist piling on here. Well, pull up a chair alongside us, bro, because you're going to be watching somebody else play in the finals too.

Posted by: CornerJ | May 09, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Im not piling on! Im giving you my opinion. Opinions that I had and posted prior to yesterday. I understand you may not like them but it is what it is. We may lose but I hope we dont act that way in defeat. Its one thing to be frustrated, which I understand, I dont expect any player to like losing but you cant take guys out like that. And its not his first time doing it!

Its ok to lose, you guys have a great run but dont go out that way!!

Do you think you're classy? I don't recall reading you here last year after game 7. It's so easy to beat someone who just lost, try to come here when your boys will be out after this round.

Posted by: LAL_Fan | May 09, 2011 at 11:43 AM

I dont claim to be classy!! And if you dont recall reading me here after game 7, thats your problem, I came in and congratulated you guys the very next morning!!

We had to lose sooner or later. Let's all look forward to our next rise to glory

I love my team.

Yeah, I'm unhappy with their poor play and every other thing that went wrong during the second round. BUT - I am looking forward to whatever moves FO and Mitch will make.

I have gotten some flak for being such a die hard Laker fan, but it's been OK. You can't win every year. I love my Lakers, and I always will. I have nothing to apologize for or feel embarrassed about. People are always gonna hate, there's nothing I can do about that. But I can stay true to my team, and I can choose to congratulate others who are doing well.

Except the Boston Celtics.

C'mon guys - rally a little bit. So we lost. Yeah, it hurts. But - next year. It's like waiting for your birthday all year, with little hints along the way as to what it might be. We could end up with Dwight, Chris - you never know. (Personally I want them both but mostly Chris.)

Now for a most excellent quote:

"I am still heartbroken from this.

I have a few comments...

I don't want to see any more reality television programs.

I don't want to see any more going before Congress to promote various charities during the season.

I don't want to see any more t-shirts that read "Matt Barnes will kill you if Ron Artest doesn't kill you first."

I don't want to see any more guest appearances on "C.S.I."

I don't want to hear of any more Tweets on Twitter.

I don't want to hear of any player's wives flirting on Twitter.

I don't want to see any mini-movies with Kanye West.

ALL I WANT IS FOR OUR MULTI-MILLIONAIRE PLAYERS TO PLAY BASKETBALL!!!!!

ALL I WANT IS FOR OUR PLAYERS TO BE BASKETBALL PLAYERS!!!

THAT IS ALL I WANT!!!!

AND THAT IS ALL WE SHOULD EXPECT AS LAKERAHOLICS!!!

NOTHING MORE!!! NOTHING LESS!!!!

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | May 09, 2011 at 10:15 AM


I am a Lakerholic!!!!!

GO LAKERS!!!!

"ALL I WANT IS FOR OUR MULTI-MILLIONAIRE PLAYERS TO PLAY BASKETBALL!!!!!

ALL I WANT IS FOR OUR PLAYERS TO BE BASKETBALL PLAYERS!!!

THAT IS ALL I WANT!!!!

AND THAT IS ALL WE SHOULD EXPECT AS LAKERAHOLICS!!!

NOTHING MORE!!! NOTHING LESS!!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | May 09, 2011 at 10:15 AM
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I second this! I posted something like this in the past day or so.....and on twitter directly to LO and RA!

MM: Thanks for the Friedman! (Wish my statement was just a Twilght Zone bad dream, but truly, we may get back to a team we can be proud of next year.) Just got back on and am happy to see some old compadre's on the blog today after the rancid trolls had their day or so. Hard to get back with friends here when there are so many jerks just infiltrating our Laker fandom blog. Sure, we have our own disagreements from time to time, but we still attempt to be supportive of our Lakers. Some have more criticism (like me) than others want to hear, but basically all of us are pulling for a win come game time. So, it will still be hard to navigate past the jerks and trolls who really should stick to their own Celtics/Heat/Mavs/??? blog to state their hatred of the Lakers or Kobe or whomever Laker they prefer to rant against. That way they can have their own anti-Laker compadre's in their own blog and we faithful don't have to get bored to trying to find a friendly presence with searching web pages past the garbage.

Thanks to LRob, LakerTom, PsychedLakerGirl, mclyne, et al for your ack and concern. I am off to see what comes of exit interviews and my Chargers state of affairs, but will hope for some of the changes I have spouted the past few days/weeks/months for the Lake Show!

I think maybe PJ's exit will bring a more competitive Lakers team if the FO can work some magic/miracles (may need Jim Buss and MK removal, but whatever....) to get us better matchups against the NBA personnel trends that only we have failed to put in our lineup.

My biggest distaste is how we have wasted yet another potential ring for Kobe's quest for GOAT with inferior talent/desire/effort surrounding him. He is obviously on his downslope for athleticism, but still could have a couple more rings (this year too, but....) if he had some younger/quicker support for chasing waterbug guards and 3pt shooters.

I see a post about KObe and defensive all-NBA team, which I object to, so I'll go read it further. (My opinion, but his centerfield roaming cost us a lot of games this year and last!) I was a defensive specialist and as much as I love Kobe's game, this year he doesn't deserve this particular accolade. Only being ranked 4th as MVP is absurd once again. Voting writers are jerks and Kobe-haters.

My window is closing for rebuilding Laker teams, so I hope Jerry barges into the FO and makes whatever it takes happen while we have Kobe with something left!

I am hoping for a Mavs versus Bulls Final, just so the Celts and Heat get no more rings until we can beat them down in next year's Finals!

I have seen some posts telling me that the lane belongs to bynumskull? Wow? He can injure or kill anyone in his lane???? Please post the section of the rule book where I can read that! I guess that is why the great pajama was whining! Doesn't pj mean pajamas??????

To LONGTIME LAKER FAN,Jordan lost only came about because Phil Jackson was NOT his HEAD COACH,when Phil Jackson became head coach of the Bulls Jordan won everyrthing,the Bulls won 6 Nba titles in 8 years,so it seem as thought Longtime Lakerfan dont have a clue about the history of basketball,so the Beast was right this last Laker series with the Mavericks just bring an end to Bulls Lakers dynasty and the Jordan kobe talk.And its time for Laker fans to recognised that there is no way that one could compare Kobe with Air Jordan,Mr Michael Jordan the GOAT,he never quit under pressure,he played with his heart,he played within the offence and he made others around him great.Laker fans must go back and look at YOUTUBE VIDEOS on the HISTORY OF THE CHICAGO BULLS DYNASTY UNDER PHIL JACKSON,JORDAN AND PIPPEN and in the 1993 NBA FINALS LOOK AT THE 4 HORSE MEN-MJ,PIPPEN,HORACE GRANT AND BILL CARTWRIGHT-WHAT A TEAM TO BEHOLD,THEY WERE THE TOWER OF BABEL,THESE BULLS WERE AN UNSTOPPABLE FORCE.

To LONGTIME LAKER FAN,Jordan lost only came about because Phil Jackson was NOT his HEAD COACH,when Phil Jackson became head coach of the Bulls Jordan won everyrthing,the Bulls won 6 Nba titles in 8 years,so it seem as thought Longtime Lakerfan dont have a clue about the history of basketball,so the Beast was right this last Laker series with the Mavericks just bring an end to Bulls Lakers dynasty and the Jordan kobe talk.And its time for Laker fans to recognised that there is no way that one could compare Kobe with Air Jordan,Mr Michael Jordan the GOAT,he never quit under pressure,he played with his heart,he played within the offence and he made others around him great.Laker fans must go back and look at YOUTUBE VIDEOS on the HISTORY OF THE CHICAGO BULLS DYNASTY UNDER PHIL JACKSON,JORDAN AND PIPPEN and in the 1993 NBA FINALS LOOK AT THE 4 HORSE MEN-MJ,PIPPEN,HORACE GRANT AND BILL CARTWRIGHT-WHAT A TEAM TO BEHOLD,THEY WERE THE TOWER OF BABEL,THESE BULLS WERE AN UNSTOPPABLE FORCE.

To LONGTIME LAKER FAN,Jordan lost only came about because Phil Jackson was NOT his HEAD COACH,when Phil Jackson became head coach of the Bulls Jordan won everyrthing,the Bulls won 6 Nba titles in 8 years,so it seem as thought Longtime Lakerfan dont have a clue about the history of basketball,so the Beast was right this last Laker series with the Mavericks just bring an end to Bulls Lakers dynasty and the Jordan kobe talk.And its time for Laker fans to recognised that there is no way that one could compare Kobe with Air Jordan,Mr Michael Jordan the GOAT,he never quit under pressure,he played with his heart,he played within the offence and he made others around him great.Laker fans must go back and look at YOUTUBE VIDEOS on the HISTORY OF THE CHICAGO BULLS DYNASTY UNDER PHIL JACKSON,JORDAN AND PIPPEN and in the 1993 NBA FINALS LOOK AT THE 4 HORSE MEN-MJ,PIPPEN,HORACE GRANT AND BILL CARTWRIGHT-WHAT A TEAM TO BEHOLD,THEY WERE THE TOWER OF BABEL,THESE BULLS WERE AN UNSTOPPABLE FORCE.

Hey sorry for the delay in comments. Unfortunately I have to have it on moderation because of the handle jacks. Here is a proposal, though I know some have been reluctant in embracing this in the past. Many of our blogs have required users to sign in through Facebook, making it possible to share items on your facebook page and minimizing any worry about a handle jack getting stolen. I can pass along to upper management what you guys think of that idea

Posted by: Mark Medina | May 09, 2011 at 09:41 AM

I don't agree with Facebook logins. I don't have Facebook and don't plan to get it.

I think many Laker fans who were extremely disappointed (and also angry) at the end of the Lakers playoff run in such a humbling fashion, ranted and vented on this blog yesterday. I'll admit, I was one of those. We believe deeply in our team's talent (and many of us still do) but the players' will just wasn't there or perhaps after several years of deep playoff runs, the bodies are no longer able to do what the minds fervently desire. I guess the signs were there all along that the team was in trouble, but still as fans, we wanted to believe the best of our team.

Now that I've gotten over the worst of the initial heart break (don't get me wrong, still heart broken but feeling less angry) I can take a step back and look at what our Lakers had accomplished over the last few years.

The days after we traded Shaq were dark indeed. Kobe in his prime, was surrounded by talent far worse than what we have now. He tried to carry the team on his shoulders, and we saw how that turned out, finally culminating in his trade demand - that was just a low point for Laker fans.

Then Pau came into our world and we made it to the finals when no one expected us to. The Lakers have made it to the finals the last few years. Perhaps we are spoiled as fans and we forget what an accomplishment that is in itself. We won 2 championships back-to-back, and there are very few teams who have been able to do that (ask the Spurs).

Yes, we set high expectations as Laker fans but let's not overlook the achievements of this team for the last few years. We don't really know what Pau was going through on a personal level and what made him play poorly during the post-season, but I hope he finds peace and I wish him well.

Artest may not have played as well as we hoped he would, but over the last couple of years, we've seen him become a better man, and recognized as such not just by us Laker fans, but the whole league.

Bynum managed to stay healthy and gave us greay joy in seeing him realized his talents. But like a lot of young people, he has to learn from mistakes. Good judgment comes from experience, and experience comes from poor judgment - so the saying goes.

Fisher has his moments and his leadership on and off the court cannot be undervalued just because he's not as fast or score a gazillion baskets like elite point guards in this league.

Then there's Kobe. I won't pretend he hasn't lost a step or feel the miles on his body, but you will not find anyone else who puts his heart out there and compete the way the Mamba does. We should be so lucky to have a smidgen of his drive for success.

All I'm saying is, yes, it's extremely disappointing not to be at the top, but let's not forget the wonderful things this team has brought us, nor the camaraderie we find on the blog and chats as we root for them through ups and downs. It's been a great ride.......

We still have key pieces in place, and I trust in Dr Buss and Mitch Kupchak to retool the team. Who knows, with smarts and some good luck, we'll be back on top sooner than you think.

GO LAKERS!

.... and last but not least, to Coach Phil Jackson, I thank you for the contributions you've given to the Lakers. Enjoy your well-deserved retirement with no regrets. But should you feel the itch to coach again, please let the Lakers have first dip, and please do not coach the Celtics or the Heats, or I'll burn down your Montana ranch (just kidding!)

These Lakers are pretenders.... its a sad state of the league that they actually won two championships in a row.... The rest of the league is going to run past them and leave them in the dust until they can get players that have heart & soul instead of greed & vanity. Yes... its time to dump this crew and build a new team....

time to move on.

Regardless of where he might fall short of MJ in qualities such as leadership, toughness, resiliencey, etc., there is no question in my mind that Kobe has not stayed as healthy as MJ did in his career. I think the wear and tear of those extra seasons early in Kobe’s career when MJ was playing less grueling college seasons with MJ also taking a year and a half off in mid-career cannot be discounted as factors giving MJ the edge in head to head comparisons.http://bit.ly/j1rhut


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