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Caught in the Web: Highlighting Laker exit interviews

Photo: Lakers center Andrew Bynum was suspended five games by the NBA on Tuesday for his foul on Dallas guard J.J. Barea in Sunday's season-ending loss. Credit: Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times / May 10, 2011. --The Times' Mike Bresnahan focuses on Andrew Bynum's apology for a dirty play on Dallas guard J.J. Barea and Pau Gasol's strongly worded clarification that Internet reports suggesting relationships problems with his girlfriend and Kobe Bryant are "absolutely false."

--The Times' T.J. Simers doesn't buy Bynum's apology.

--The Times' Bill Plaschke makes a list of outside-the-box candidates for the Lakers' coaching job.

--The Times' Broderick Turner highlights Derek Fisher shifting gears in leading the NBA Players Assn. toward trying to reach a new collective bargaining agreement.

--The Times' David Wharton looks at the changes the Lakers might make.

--Sports Illustrated's Sam Amick explains why the Lakers don't think they need to make major roster changes. 

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding looks at how motivation might help the Lakers. 

--ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky looks at how Bynum plans to build off his success from the 2010-2011 season. 

--The Riverside Press Enterprise's David Lassen looks at how Pau Gasol is handling the criticism. Lassen also details Bynum's apology.  

--ESPN Los Angeles' Arash Markazi provides a heart-warming feature on Lakers assistant coach Brian Shaw

-=ESPN Los Angeles' Ramona Shelburne talks to Gasol, who strongly shoots down the off-court rumors. 

--The Daily News' Elliott Teaford provides a Lakers report card. 

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell details Bynum's suspension. 

--The Orange County Register's Mark Whicker notices the Lakers had different perspectives on their struggles. 

--Fox Sports Billy Witz explains how the Lakers plan to correct their problems. 

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius Soriano lists four reasons the Lakers' season went wrong. 
--Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore provides playoff grades for each roster.  

Tweet(s) of the Day: "Final thoughts on the Pau Gasol matter: In absence of a real explanation, people will believe anything ... Basically, Pau was off his game in the playoffs b/c: he was tired, the Lakers didn't run their offense, he didn't respond to failure well ... No, actually he really didn't respond to failure well & got so far inside his head and frustrated, he fell into a funk of historic funkiness ... That was hard enough. Then came a wild story about his girlfriend issues & an even wilder one about Vanessa Bryant interfering with his GF ... The stories were so ridiculous, Gasol tried to ignore them ... But he kept playing bad and it became so much easier to believe something wild, rather than a more nuanced truth ... Does Gasol have a good relationship with Kobe? Yes. Is it great right now? No. But that's because of the Lakers on-court struggles ...

He also grossly underestimated the power of blogs, social networking and message boards. Thought story would go away, not go viral ... Athletes have a tough call to make on stories like this. Respond and they become real. Fail to respond and they can go viral ... It's a different media culture in Spain. Publication that printed initial story would be sued. Here they get linked and tweeted everywhere ... Pau said he thought this experience would bring he and his GF closer, but feels bad she's been put in this situation. "Forget about me" ... His "easy target" quote was to a Q I asked about his polite nature. He's not the type to punch back at media criticism. Lets his play talk ... Basically: Criticize Gasol's play on the court. Guy played awful at worst time. But don't make up stories or repeat stupid stories" -- ramonashelburne (ESPN Los Angeles columnist Ramona Shelburne)

Rick Friedman Reader Comment of the Day: "I asked all laker fans around and the disrespect done by LO and AB was really terrible especially the long time laker fans, they were really turned off by the course of events. It is hard to disrespect fans who learned the Lakers through the golden voice. We have been accustomed to professionalism and dedicated players who never quit on the Lakers. I don't know whether the damage can be repaired by October if the same players are retain who would act accordingly with the same-same complacency, cockiness and dysfunctional individuals. The perception out there today that Lakers are now beatable" -- Edwin Gueco

Photo: Lakers center Andrew Bynum was suspended five games by the NBA on Tuesday for his foul on Dallas guard J.J. Barea in Sunday's season-ending loss. Credit: Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times / May 10, 2011.

 
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No more excuses for this team or individual players. Jerry et al wasted $91 Million and Cuban got more bang for his buck with Dallas. End of Story.

The team and players suffered a myriad of problems that weren't properly addressed by the coaching staff. In essence: you had the patients running the asylum.

-practice makes perfect and this team did not have perfect practices and we all know why. Injuries, age and other issues prevented this team from practicing as a team. Practicing in games obviously didn't cut it.

-whether individual players want to admit or not, there was too much extracurricular activities that distracted them from their primary job: win another championship. Artest and his "Peanut Butter" rap song and asinine auction; Fisher with his idiotic Presidential duties with the union; Lamar's idiotic "reality" show and pitching a waste of a fragrance; Bynum's genetic "Q Angle" malfunction and silly exercise video; Shannon's marriage to some musician; Pau's epic meltdown in the playoffs due to "false" rumors and the distractions just went on and unchecked by the coaching staff. This team was not focused during and after the "practice season" son now they get to enjoy an early vacation.

Talk about a wasted opportunity. If this team did their job, they would have had plenty of time to recuperate during the off season due to the impending and probable lock-out.

The FO will figure out who is "movable" before they decide on a system and coach. They'll have time because it's going to be a "short season" and quite frankly, I don't even care if there is a season. Bynum missing 5 games and a $25K fine totaling over $700K which will leave him with a measly $14.5 Million to get by next year. Yeah, it's time for a new CBA.

If the owners succeed in getting the 'franchise tag' provision in the new CBA, we can forget about getting Howard or CP3 for at least another season:

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/05/11/nba-proposes-unique-franchise-tag-to-union/?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp

This place should be renamed the LA Times Ingrates Blog.

@Danny Stark
EXCELLENT POST!!!!(5:28pm on 5-10) Keep em coming!
These types of fouls were common place throughout the 80s in the NBA.

@Edwin
Westbrook? Oh man, if he shows just the slightest hint of wanting to come back home, Buss and Mitch would be wise to wait for his availability. If not, I would be perfectly happy with either CP3 or Deron.

Also, I just roll past any of the losers who decide to show up here only when we're down. It's easy, just read the handles first, then bypass.

I wanted to get your take on how well Bynum and Howard could play together if it became a reality. With the recent play of our two bigs, I would much rather keep Drew over Pau, but I am concerned that there just wouldn't be enough room on the box for both Drew and Dwight to operate there at the same time. What do you think?

@Edwin
Also, congrats on another Friedman!

The point of the franchise tag is to be able to offer your franchise player MORE than what another team can offer, (regardless of salary cap?)

My understanding is that Cp3 can already get more money by staying in NO, or doing some sign and trade. The THREAT of leaving the team with nothing is what gives the player some power.

I'm FOR big time players have power. They should. These players are what make the NBA go around. I'm AGAINST supporting casts getting more than their fair share and having guaranteed contracts that seem to never expire (see Luke).

It sounds like the owners are pushing for this, and that's understandable. But as a basketball fan (hence different priorities than an owner who may just want marquee names to make money off of), I'm far more worried about the other 90% of players than I am the top 10%.

T.J. Simers is a twit.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

If Pau Gasol played that poorly and he didn't have his heart broken, they we should ship him off the the Trans-Dienster Republic tomorrow.

I don't buy it.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Nothing about Kobe's exit interview? Kobe's best moments here kobegames.blogspot.com

Testing for moderation ....

Just heard about Robert "Tractor" Traylor passing. My prayers go out to his family and friends.

Three days later and we are still on moderation ... great job MM; guess it's back to doing some actual work then. :(

Thanks
PSP Officer

Will somebody let Plaschke know that the NBA prohibits teams from having player-coaches. This was done to stop any of them from circumventing the cap.

@Edwin – congrats on the Friedman.

@lance from da Bronx – excellent post at 8:53am. I agree.

Medina how come I have never won a Friedman. My comments are always cutting edge and factual. All my predictions are spot on. Maybe it is because the Priest speaks the truth and I know the truth hurts.

hey all


hows the laker nation!?

But the Priest doesn't seek praise because I already know that I am the most insightful and intelligent in all of sportsblogs. My role is to educate and at times entertain the uneducated. Everyone is getting in a frenzy about Gasol for Howard or Bynum for Howard. However, there is something called contracts. Howard is under contract until AFTER the 2012 season. I doubt the magic will trade him until the 2012 season is over. Plus he doesn't want to be the bad guy by forcing them to trade him before that point. So this laker team will look almost the same when the next season begins. Hopefully, Fisher is relegated to the bench where he belongs and a good point guard can take his place. Kupkake makes alot of dubious contracts by the way.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-plaschke-lakers-20110509,0,564557,full.column


"I don't know where we lost it … that drive, that bond we had in the past, that cohesive drive in order to overcome adversity," said Lamar Odom.

In other words, Kobe Bryant and his wife are d-bags…

It's been a long three years, with the two-time defending champions finally collapsing under the weight of issues both personal and professional, a lack of locker-room trust tearing apart their fabric on the court.

In other words, Kobe Bryant and his wife are d-bags…


Swept away was the idea that Kobe Bryant has enough left in his aching legs to personally spring a team to a title. Bryant failed in two final possessions that could have won the series opener, then averaged only 19 points in the final three games, an aging star who clearly needs more help.

In other words, Kobe Bryant and his wife are d-bags…
JUST KIDDING…KOBE JUST GETTING OLD

He was referring to the report that he stopped talking to Bryant during the postseason because Bryant's wife, Vanessa, had contributed to the breakup of Gasol and his longtime girlfriend. Lakers fans will remember that Karl Malone once publicly accused Vanessa of interfering with his personal life in a similar fashion.

BINGO WAS HIS NAME
In other words, Kobe Bryant and his wife are d-bags…

Whatever was happening, Bryant and Gasol haven't connected on the court in a month, and the Lakers have been lost without the strength of their fusion.

Why is D-Bag Bryant the only player in the NBA who constantly has problems with teammates? Hint: He’s an a-hole.

Has anyone stopped and considered the reason why Kobe and others are endorsing Brian Shaw?

Lets say you are working for a company and your CEO is being replaced. Would you prefer the guy you've worked with who hasn't had total authority, one who you never felt threatened by, a person whom you occasionally have walked over, or feel you can manipulate.....

OR

Do you want a guy who's going to change the world you're use to, demand more work, demand better quality work, reprimand you when you fail to meet expections, and expect this higher work ethic every day?

I'd take my pal Joe, he's been with the company for a long and deserves this chance even though he's never once held such a position in the life, besides I now how to manipulate this guy.

Posted by: Troll Man | May 11, 2011 at 12:37 AM
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I believe the overwhelming reason Kobe’s (and some of his teammates) are endorsing BShaw is because they believe they can win the chip with him. Remember Kobe endorsed bringing Phil back even after PJ made all the disparaging comments in his book. He endorsed Coach K also. Both because he wanted to win, not because they were pushovers.

I do believe being comfortable with BShaw helps, but winning definitely trumps the manipulation angle IMO. Now if Kobe wasn’t a hard worker or didn’t like accountability then that would be a different issue.

Rick Friedman Reader Comment of the Day: "I asked all laker fans around and the disrespect done by LO and AB was really terrible especially the long time laker fans, they were really turned off by the course of events. It is hard to disrespect fans who learned the Lakers through the golden voice. We have been accustomed to professionalism and dedicated players who never quit on the Lakers. I don't know whether the damage can be repaired by October if the same players are retain who would act accordingly with the same-same complacency, cockiness and dysfunctional individuals. The perception out there today that Lakers are now beatable" -- Edwin Gueco

Right Edwin...

And almost all of the same 'long time Laker fans' worship Kobe,
the one and only known-league-wide-for-his-cheap-elbow-shots
master himself, who considers such actions by Andrew as
earning 'his stripes'...while Andrew, is merely 'embarrassed'
at what he sees on T.V. because it looks bad???
Where is the leadership on that team???

There is no, repeat, no excuse for what Andrew did.

He should not be allowed on an NBA court again until he passes some type of serious and comprehensive anger management course and test
with flying colors, in addition to other penalties already imposed.

That there are so many Laker fans who would defend Andrew
IN ANY WAY on this, is a testament to just how clueless and lost so many
of you La La Landers are.


I used to hear a drum beat back in 2006 and 2007 that never seemed to stop.

Hmmm. I'm hearing that same old drum beat again.

So it only happens when the Lakers don't make the Finals?

That's odd.

But, it's cool with me, since the Lakers have made the Finals 7 out of the past 11 years.

Thank God we have Kobe. Without him, that number would have been 0-11

KL you should win the Friedman because you are 100% accurate about Kobe. There was a poor Korean maid who actually sued Kobe and Mrs. bryant about sub human working conditions. So kobe who was born with a gold spoon in his mouth just cannot relate to other persons.

Too much time on your hand? It is really showing with the blantant disrespectful comments on the Lakers team's personal lives. Do you all really know Kobe, his wife, Lamar, Bynum, or for that matter, any of the team members personally? Really? Enough already! Talk about the game or the performance of the team, not your distorted, warped, opinion of their personal lives that the warped, distorted media has fed you. Be more creative and selective with getting and distributing information. Here again, it is good that these players consider us all idiots and people that don't have a clue about reality. Whatever these players do outside of basketball, more power to them. Maybe you all can take a page from their book, a second job is better than blogging all day which doesn't pay anything.

@ KL -

Considering that Derek Fisher is one of the greatest human beings to ever play baskeball has been forever teamed with an "a-hole" like Kobe only proves your point to be moot. If Kobe was so terrible, then wouldn't St. Fisher have a serious problem with Kobe's nefarious and narcissitic ways? [Sarcasm inserted for effect] I think "good cop / bad cop" is more like it. Secondly, if Kobe is such a jerk, than why didn't he have Fish jettisoned from the team like a real jerk would? Simple! They needed each other for balance. If Kobe wasn't so successful on the court, all you haters would have nothing to vomit about.

DBDH!

Why do people keep putting LO's altercation with Dirk into some horrible thing? This happens all the time, and much worse. What LO did was basically a love tap. Kendrick Perkins does that move at least once a game, and it doesn't even get called, so stop bunching LO's hit with Bynum's hit, totally in different leagues.

Thank you again MM, LRob and McClyne for the "ingrate" post as someone has smartly remarked. Again, I don't think I deserve this award, MM should have given to Island Priest who seemed to be begging for it. I am only a messenger in relaying what I heard from my neighbors, or at the donut shop talking to our community walkers/joggers about the Lakers. Knowing that they are die hard fans too, they are not really ingrates but more of digesting what happened to the smooth sailing, well-oiled and luxury Laker vessel. These are part and parcel analysis of fans residing in this territory who are not used to suffer this kind of humiliation of unsportsmanlike conduct at the end of the playoffs. Undoubtedly, we all owe our thanks to all the players, coaches and staff for this season as well as the memories in good times and in bad. Sometimes reality bites on after effects with next season wishes because our loyalty really resides in protecting the traditional winning brand, The Lakers.

Quick educational note, the Magic won't be trading Howard after the 2012 season, because he's a Free Agent and that point., if Howard chooses the Bosh and LeBron way, the Magic get basically Nothing. If Howard wants out, they will trade him for what they can get-SEE Denver and Melo.

Basic and only REAL need is Deron Williams or Chris Paul. Solves the MAJOR problem. Now, just how do you get one? Would have to trade a big, I believe.

JVG over Adelmen for next Lakers coach for me.

@Don't Blame Del Harris!

DFish = Robert Horry

DFish is a class act except for occasional cheap shots...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3O7vTDquPs

:-)

The only free agent of any value to voluntarily join Kobe "me me" Bryant is Ron Arrest (yes, Ron "Arrest")...DFish bolted once Shaq was ousted by King Kobra Bryant....

Also, I wouldn't consider Fish an impact free agent...great role player...yes.

D-Bag Bryant wouldn't have won any championship had the lakers not traded for him him...

BTW, I liked Del Harris as a coach

"Medina how come I have never won a Friedman."

Oh my God I just broke out into laughter.

I needed that.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

We have to improve our shooting. We have to get younger. This can only happen with trades.

I think Bynum will be a monster next season. We need a great point guard. We don't need two centers on the floor together. Kobe, Bynum, or Pau will have to go to clear enough salary space for an elite point guard. Kobe stays. Bynum stays. Pau... we need to get tougher.

I loved what you did for the team. You are a great player. It was just an experiment that didn’t really work out. Having two centers on the floor made our defense weak (feeble, puny, scrawny, pathetic). We consistently couldn’t get back on defense and close out on outside shooters - we were just too big. The little guys were killing us. Plus, you gave up on trying in the playoffs and were booed off the court. It is going to be uncomfortable if you stay. The last guy to get booed off the court was Kwame. He didn’t last long after that. You are a center. You are not a power forward. You are too good to come off the bench. You are an All Star that can bring us an All Star in a position that we are weak in. It is a tough decision. Defense wins championships.

Bynum was upset and made a mistake. At the same time, if some little punk wants to go driving into the lane when his team is already up 30 points this could happen again. Hopefully, in the future, people will have some sense. All the legends of basketball made me sick when they were putting Bynum down for something they all did at one time or another – committed a hard foul out of frustration. He is 23 years old. He was upset. He apologized. Nobody got hurt. If he had wanted to really hurt the guy, he would have been hurt. I don’t think the foul deserved five games. They wanted to send him a message. He wanted to send a message as well. Maybe guys should settle for outside shots when they are up 20+ points in the fourth quarter? How many little punks try to drive through Shaq? Let me see… All the times a little punk had driven through Shaq… NOT!!! Shaq was better at it. Drew will get better at it. Shaq would play the ball and “whoops, sorry you ended up in the third row…” You had to go around Shaq.

We need Sloan. Can you imagine an elite point guard playing his pick and roll with Lamar? How about our D? Throughout the years, Sloan’s teams have made it into the playoffs on sheer will and determination. They don’t quit. Kobe respects him and would do what he says. He could kiss and make up with D-Will and we would be back in it.

We need a respectable back-up center for Bynum. Wait, didn’t we use to have one… Mbenga!!!

We need a shooter – a real shooter. I wanted Peja so bad! I begged on this blog for Mitch to make it happen. Peja has one of the purest strokes in the game. If nothing else, he wouldn’t have been playing for Dallas. Peja killed us. With Kobe, Drew, Lamar and D-Will on the court together, the small forward is going to get a lot of open shots. If we can’t get a shooter in that spot, bring him off the bench. I remember when a team would try its hardest to hang with Magic, Kareem, Worthy, and Scott. Then, Cooper would come in and start draining threes and it was all over. We would go up by 10 or 15 and it was Showtime!

New starting line-up – Kobe, D-Will, Peja/Ariza-style small forward, Lamar, and Drew

New bench – Barnes if healthy, Ebanks, Caracter, Trey, Mbenga/back-up center, speedy back-up point guard who can shoot, draft pick or two…

We would be faster in our starting line-up and then we could take it up a notch when the bench comes in.

I think we need to move on from Blake, Brown, Fish (assistant coach!), Luke, Joe, Theo, Ron, and Pau. Off these, we can get something for Pau, Ron, Brown, and Blake. Kobe is getting old. He needs some young energy around him to feed off of – look at him in the all star game. We need to have some scoring options besides Kobe so that we can rest him to bat clean up. He has shown over and over that, if he has to keep us in the game, he doesn’t have enough at the end. Part of more offense is having Lamar and Drew step up and be a bigger part of it - something they both want to do. Part of it is having an elite point guard who can put up strong numbers. And part of it is having a great shooter who will make them pay for double teaming our other stars. It is tough but, in order to bring in the talent we need, someone with a huge salary has to go. There are only three choices.

I am a Lakerholic.

Edwin Gueco,

Lamar Odom's foul on Dirk was no worse than a technical.

Wake up, pal.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

DJ,

Also include Cleveland and LeBron in your post, they didn't trade Lebronz thinking that he would re-sign with Cleveland. The team got nothing in return except the cash on salary cap intended for him. They got Ramon Sessions instead of a marquee player. Well, if LBJ was traded his new team is not sure whether he will re-negotiate for a new contract or move again at the end of his contract season, therefore nobody was willing to take that risk. Howard has not wavered in re-signing with Orlando, still testing the market and looking for other opportunities. However what is interesting he specified that LA is one of his future wishes. I believe LA is the only team that will more or less satisfy what Magic needs in return, so the Orlando Sentinel was kinda roasting Dwight in advance. Are there any better 7'0" Centers out there that are more appealing than the Lakers?

JVG NEVER on the Lakers!

I'll take Adelmen over any coach out there besides Sloan.

I have mixed feelings about BShaw and the triangle. It may be time to bring in another system.

and remember when vanessa cursed out a female reporter in front of her children and other media members. she is a miserable person.

LRob
******I believe the overwhelming reason Kobe’s (and some of his teammates) are endorsing BShaw is because they believe they can win the chip with him. Remember Kobe endorsed bringing Phil back even after PJ made all the disparaging comments in his book. He endorsed Coach K also. Both because he wanted to win, not because they were pushovers.******

____________________
very good point, I just put an alternate theory out there to think about. Your take is probably the correct one.

Island Priest24 - Get a copy of "Elements of Style" by Strunk and White. It is a short book and an easy read. You will thank me later.

;-)

"HOWEVER, what the heck was JJ doing driving the lane to the basket toward the very end of a blowout game when, moments earlier, Lamar, one of the more docile Lakers, already showed that the team from LA was extremely chippy at that point? Dallas had already blown LA way out of the water with drives to the hoop and 3-point shots from nearly everywhere. His final drive was just another move that JJ should have simply avoided at that point--it was more like "I am going to drive one, additional and unnecessary, nail into the Lakers' coffin at this stage." Not a smart move.

In the NBA of the past (60's or 70's, perhaps), there were several NBA players with tough-guy reps who would have decked JJ at that stage.

Posted by: LakerGreg | May 11, 2011 at 09:36 AM "

I've never thought a layup with 9 minutes left in a game was poor sportsmanship, no matter what the score was. The Lakers still had their starters in and I remember a game a few years back where the Lakers overcame a 28 point lead or something like that in the 4th quarter against Dirk and the Mavericks. It was a layup, not an off the backboard dunk in transition.

Andrew was finally convinced to apologize for it but as long as people keep making excuses for him this issue is going to stay out there. I'm not speaking to you since you didn't make excuses for him but a lot of people are going beyond what you said and saying that JJ deserved to get knocked down and Andrew showed heart by doing it. There was no heart in that, just poor sportsmanship.

It was a terrible play and it made the Lakers look like sore losers to the whole world. He deserved the punishment he got. I remember a lot of games this year where Kobe, Pau, and the gang were all still in the game when it was far out of reach. We all wondered why Phil still had those guys in there but we weren't saying they deserved to be cheapshotted for playing their game and trying to put the ball in the hoop. Andrew didn't learn from his last dirty play or the punishment that followed but hopefully he learns from this one.

Jon K,

That's true but what happened in the next outing dragged the earlier event as also unsportsmanlike too. Actually, I suspect LO didn't like the physical defense of Dirk when they got entangled at the other court and the game is already won by Dallas, so he made a retaliation bump which was intentional in nature. Was Dirk holding the ball when he was bumped hard? The refs sent him out, fearing that the game might get out of their control. This foul of LO has resemblance to the end game against Clippers between LO and Blake Griffin, do u recall that game?

Did any one else notice that we played better with Ron out? When Ron came back we got killed. We are not as good a team with Lamar on the bench.

The most profound statement I've heard in a long long time that hits home with this Laker team was made by Tom Thibodeau coach of the Chicago Bulls about his own team

He said that players have to get "comfortable being uncomfortable."

How many players on the Lakers have either said it themselves, or bloggers have used it as an excuse for a Laker player.

In the playoffs it's the team goal to make opposing players as uncomfortable as possible, how you respond to this uncomfortableness is a measuring stick of your skills, composure, and character.


"Will somebody let Plaschke know that the NBA prohibits teams from having player-coaches. This was done to stop any of them from circumventing the cap.
Posted by: LRob | May 11, 2011 at 10:24 AM "

I could be wrong but I *think* he meant that Shaw would be the figurehead on the bench and Kobe would be the one calling the shots. I know you can't officially make someone a player/coach but unofficially there are a lot of players around the league that lead huddles and often seem to have more pull than the assistants or even the head coaches.

Personally I think they might be best suited to hire someone from outside and toss out the pecking order that currently exists. Kobe and Fisher have a lot of experience and success in the game but I think Kobe does need to be reined in sometimes and I think Fisher is too proud to bench himself so I don't believe in giving either of them more power. A neutral person can make those calls without emotion.

Mike & Mike in the morning on Andrew Bynum:
Might have been better for him to stick to his post game comments showing little remorse about the Barea incident than to make (what they perceived) an insincere apology.

Charles Barkley:
Lakers have no athletic ability on the perimeter.

Tonight could be Shaq's last game! Doc says he probably won't play due to injury. It's tough to see him go out like this (only 2pts scored in playoffs).

Thanks for the 3 titles and do know Dr. Buss said your jersey will be hanging in the Staples.

EG,

Exactly. I still think that a Howard for Bynum and Gasol for DWilliams would make us a super duper team, ha, ha.

C-Howard
SF-Odom
PF-Artest
SG-Bryant
PG-Williams

And I think we need Williams or CP first. Note, I don't dislike Bynum or Gasol. Just think the above is better, that's all.

sally,
do you wish you were Mrs. Kobe Bryant? Do you even have a man? Vanessa Bryant can raise her children and curse out any idiot reporter she wants to. I also have 2 daughters and have cursed out some idiot before. My daughters are adults -one is a B.S.R.N. and the other is an teacher of special education. Not bad huh? Raising children takes more that just watching your mouth, it takes letting them know that not all things aren't pretty but overcoming adversity is the key. good luck with raising your children, if you have been blessed with any. Once again, enough already with the personal mess!

I remember getting ripped for endorsing JVG a few years back.

I kinda missed the days when getting ripped a new A.Hole from all sides of this blog for a take like that. It was commonplace and expected. If you wanted to go against the grain you better be able to take the insults that were sure to come. It makes you a better blogger for it and it what separates the men from the boys.

What I see now with some certain ex-bloggers is they came here with "their was is the only way" and when they get a little/lot of negative feedback they cry foul and leave.

Their cowardice is their legacy on this blog

@MM: I wish there was a filter thing on these blogs so I could read only the people I consider mentally OK or actual Laker FANS for their perspective. You know, like the Moderator button on the live chats where only the moderator comments show and the rest is hidden. That way I could just have a short list of those I respect and have the computer weed through the trolls. I know it is a lot to ask or have the IT folks do, but I hate having to do individual Finds on certain folks, then go back and do it again for the other bloggers I respect. Anyway, thanks for listening. I guess it may be September before the trolls have gone (mostly) for a while.

Mike & Mike? Is that the candy in the movie theater? Oh, My bad, the candy is Mike & Ike, what's the difference? Not much, just as their assessment of Bynum's apology is. Only if you all really knew what Bynum was thinking would your comment be really credible, and at best close to reality. Charles Barkley? Isn't he just for entertainment purposes only? Or was that his non NBA championship, and non "ring" career that entertained us? What's the difference? Not much! But just, opinions are just like A-holes, everybody has one that is not always clean, in other words, full of S***. So while all you haters are pulling for the team that has not one ring, Kobe and the Lakers will go home and reflect on their several rings and wait until next season. Go Lakers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will somebody let Plaschke know that the NBA prohibits teams from having player-coaches. This was done to stop any of them from circumventing the cap.
Posted by: LRob | May 11, 2011 at 10:24 AM "
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I could be wrong but I *think* he meant that Shaw would be the figurehead on the bench and Kobe would be the one calling the shots. I know you can't officially make someone a player/coach but unofficially there are a lot of players around the league that lead huddles and often seem to have more pull than the assistants or even the head coaches.
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No, he was advocating Kobe. He started off the article saying Dr. Buss usually go outside the box. Then he mentioned the oft listed candidates...BShaw, Sloan, Adelman, Rambis...etc. Then he listed the "out the box" choices...and Kobe was first.

>>>If the owners succeed in getting the 'franchise tag' provision in the new CBA,
>>>we can forget about getting Howard or CP3 for at least another season

Well, for one thing, I doubt Orlando or New Orleans would trade them next season anyway. They'd wait until the final guaranteed year of the contract to see if they could get the team contending enough to persuade them to sign an extension. So I doubt you'll see either of those guys traded before the trade deadline of 2012.

But yes, the franchise tax hurts teams like the Lakers, Knicks, Mavs, Heat, and Celtics more than most teams. With the franchise tax, LeBron wouldn't have been able to leave Cleveland even if he wanted to. It's a way of letting small market teams keep their star players.

>>>Exactly. I still think that a Howard for Bynum and Gasol for DWilliams
>>>would make us a super duper team, ha, ha.

Sure. That would be really great... for the Lakers.

Might even be acceptable (barely) by Orlando.

But why would New Jersey want two excellent centers (Lopez and Bynum) and no excellent PG? Unless Jordan Farmar makes a giant leap in performance next season, you won't be seeing any Bynum for Williams trade.

Sorry, my bad - also won't be seeing a Gasol for Williams trade unless New Jersey drafts the next John Wall, or something like that.

>>>The point of the franchise tag is to be able to offer your franchise player
>>>MORE than what another team can offer, (regardless of salary cap?)

Really? Is that all it is? I was under the impression that basically it gave each team the right to name one player who only they could offer a contract to. Like Cleveland telling LeBron, you can take a max contract for us or you can go play in the EuroLeague.

>>>I kinda missed the days when getting ripped a new A.Hole from all sides of
>>>this blog for a take like that. It was commonplace and expected. If you
>>>wanted to go against the grain you better be able to take the insults that were
>>>sure to come

I agree with you Troll-man. I actually like confrontational posts. And even something like calling the other guy an idiot or blind (or a Luke-lover) is fair game.

I have no problem with people having different opinions than mine and stating them. And it actually offends me when someone tells someone else that they should shut up, even if I'm on the same side of the issue as the person saying shut up.

Basically, as long as you're not making personal attacks on people (calling someone ignorant says they don't know something - that's not a personal attack - calling someone a Nazi or a N**** or whatever is out of line), you should feel free to post whatever opinion you want.

Even the myriad of clueless Boston newbs who are currently polluting the group with diatribes about how great their team is should be allowed to post... as long as they keep it civil. When the Lakers are winning the rings in 2011, those Green weenie posters will go back to whining in their own blog. :-)

>>>I've never thought a layup with 9 minutes left in a game was poor
>>>sportsmanship, no matter what the score was.

Couple of things here.
It was 8:21, not 9. And the lead at that point was 32 points. There wasn't going to be any comeback that late from that big of a deficit.

But still, one of the key things Barea does is drive to the lane and lay it up half out of control, but enough in control to make the shot. So I kinda agree that I wouldn't expect him to do anything differently that late in the game.

However...

In Bynum's defense...

Dallas played aggressive defense against Pau and Drew the whole series - they got punked and it was a major factor in why the Lakers lost the series. It's possible Bynum just felt he was getting fouled and it wasn't getting called, so they'd be allowing more physical play so he'd get more physical.

But when a guy that big hits a guy that little (especially if the little guy is racing around the floor wildly, as Barea does), it's always going to look bad. If that's Kobe instead of Barea, he probably doesn't even fall to the floor. If that's Shaq instead of Barea, he probably barely notices that Bynum fouled him.

>>>The only free agent of any value to voluntarily join Kobe "me me" Bryant is
>>>Ron Arrest (yes, Ron "Arrest")...DFish bolted once Shaq was ousted by King
>>>Kobra Bryant....

Lamar Odom was an unrestricted free agent and re-signed with the Lakers.

Sasha Vujacic was an unrestricted free agent and re-signed with the Lakers.

Andrew Bynum would have been a restricted free agent, but extended with the Lakers without even LOOKING at offers from other teams.

Pau Gasol would have been an unrestricted free agent by now, but he extended his contract with the Lakers.

Steve Blake and Matt Barnes both signed on to play with Kobe. Barnes SPECIFICALLY mentioned playing with Kobe as a reason he chose the Lakers.

So basically, every key player on the championship squad (except Trevor Ariza, who was fishing for more money) re-signed to STAY with Kobe.

By your standards, if everyone HATED playing with Kobe so much, they would have bolted like Shaq did.

And as for the prominence of players they signed, the Lakers haven't had more than an MLE to spend. You can't lure LeBron to play for the MLE... not even Miami could have done that.

So once again, your arguments are shown for what they are... a lot of hot air from a Kobe hater who can't see the championship rings through his own mud-colored glasses.

Edwin Gueco,

>>>However what is interesting he specified that LA is one of his future wishes. I
>>>believe LA is the only team that will more or less satisfy what Magic needs in
>>>return, so the Orlando Sentinel was kinda roasting Dwight in advance. Are
>>>there any better 7'0" Centers out there that are more appealing than the Lakers?

Well spoken.

People who don't understand why Orlando would trade Dwight Howard must not have been watching the whole LeBron/Bosh debacle, and the subsequent trades of Carmelo Anthony and Deron Williams.

Basically, because of LeBron and Bosh, teams that aren't contenders right now are at least willing to listen to offers for their superstars, rather than lose them for nothing like Cleveland and Toronto. Better to fall to an 8 seed than to fall to the bottom of the league.

And people who don't believe in Bynum as a potential trade chip need to look at the very very short list of quality two-way centers (defense AND offense) in the league... Howard, Bynum, Brook Lopez, Marc Gasol, Nene, Roy Hibbert, Al Horford, and... that's it. And the difference between the first four (Howard, Bynum, Lopez, Gasol) and the others is fairly significant.

If you don't mind weak offense, you can include Tyson Chandler and Joakim Noah on your list. They can make the oop, but don't really have any post moves.

"Couple of things here.
It was 8:21, not 9. And the lead at that point was 32 points. There wasn't going to be any comeback that late from that big of a deficit.

But still, one of the key things Barea does is drive to the lane and lay it up half out of control, but enough in control to make the shot. So I kinda agree that I wouldn't expect him to do anything differently that late in the game.

However...

In Bynum's defense...

Dallas played aggressive defense against Pau and Drew the whole series - they got punked and it was a major factor in why the Lakers lost the series. It's possible Bynum just felt he was getting fouled and it wasn't getting called, so they'd be allowing more physical play so he'd get more physical.

But when a guy that big hits a guy that little (especially if the little guy is racing around the floor wildly, as Barea does), it's always going to look bad. If that's Kobe instead of Barea, he probably doesn't even fall to the floor. If that's Shaq instead of Barea, he probably barely notices that Bynum fouled him.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | May 11, 2011 at 01:53 PM "

If a player is being overly showy like throwing off the backboard alleyoops with a big lead, that's one thing. If the shot clock was off and Barea went for an exclamation point layup, that's one thing. But I just can't view a layup with 8 minutes, 9 minutes, or even 30 seconds left as a rub it in your face play just because one team is far ahead.

Bynum's comments right after the game are what really sealed his suspension. He basically admitted he was frustrated and wanted to give a hard foul to someone. It's never ok to lose composure like that. He could have went up with both hands and body bumped Barea to the floor. It would have been a shooting foul but not a flagrant, fine, or suspension and it would have accomplished the same thing.

It doesn't really matter to me if Shaq would have absorbed the contact better. He didn't foul a guy like Shaq, he fouled the smallest guy on the court when he was in a helpless position. It's clear that it was his intent to send Barea to the floor. He could have blocked the shot without even jumping.

More often than not, it's the Lakers with the big leads late in games. I don't think Steve Blake deserved that shove from Jason Terry in the regular season when the tables were turned.

With too many uncertainties and variables involved in acquiring all-stars Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Dwight Howard, the following is an alternative approach to solving issues with the point guard, 3 point shooting and bench WITHOUT breaking the core nucleus. Outside of Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, Odom and Brown there's little to no trade assets, so this proposal takes that into consideration. Here’s the line-up followed by an explanation on how to acquire these players…

DJ Augustin, Kobe, Tayshaun Prince, Gasol, Bynum
Blake, Barnes, Artest, Lamar, Aaron grey
Fisher, Trey Johnson, Ebanks, Luke, (Caracter)

Under current CBA rules…
First, Tayshaun Prince is an unrestricted free agent and can be acquired using the mid-level exception. He’s lengthy, a great defender and a good shooter. He probably wants another shot at a title and what better place than returning to his hometown. He’s gonna have to take a paycut, but going to a championship caliber team and returning home should make his decision easier. Small Forward, 6’9 (14PPG, 47%FG, 34%3P).

Second, Aaron Grey is an unrestricted free agent and can be acquired using the bi-annual exception. He’s young, 7’0, scrappy and hard working. The Lakers have been looking for a suitable back-up Center for years, now they have an opportunity to get one. He’s due $1.1M if he uses his player option…the bi-annual should pay him around the same amount. He has a player option with the Hornets, but the opportunity to play in front of the big, bright lights of Hollywood should be attractive. Center, 7’0 (3.5PPG, 3.5RPG).

Third, DJ Augustin, a 6’0 point guard (14PPG, 6.1APG, 41%FG, 33%3P) plays for the Bobcats. As his numbers suggest, he can distribute, score and shoot. Not to mention he’s young and athletic. If Shannon Brown elects to use his player option, he and a draft pick could be used to acquire DJ Augustin. If Shannon Brown opts out, maybe a sign and trade can be negotiated.

Fourth, resign Trey Johnson. He had great D-league numbers. Let’s see what he’s made of.

Fifth, it’ll be up to management whether they want to use the team option to retain Caracter.

Overall, I think this will make the team younger and athletic, and solve many issues from this past season. Let me know what you think.

Speaking of exits. Boston went out in style tonight, gave it everything they had and exited gracefully. Unlike the unforgettable display of the Lakers.

By the way, anyone here Lebron comment after the game?

"The celtics the reason why we all came together. We wanted what they formed in 08."

Doesn't that all but admit Wade, Bosh and Lebron all but conspired to get together way before the "decision". No respect for Lebron. A player earns a dynasty by growing with a team, not by manufacturing it. The NBA took a big hit this year in Revenues, this type of thing is bad for the sport and has turned off a lot of fans.


ALLS I CAN SAY - MAKE LOVE TO, "CONSEQUENCES".


YOU'LL NEVER REGRET THIS!!!!!

It is hard to know at this early stage what is available. Will Ricky Rubio balk at going to Minnesota? If he does, perhaps we might entice him to come to Los Angeles. He would be teamed with a former running mate and mentor Pau Gasol. What are the true intentions of Dwight Howard, does he really want to leave the Magic or is this simply a negoitation ploy? We do have parts of the puzzle for trade: Two of my favorite players would be trade bait. Lamar Odom who needs to devote 100% of his time to the Lakers instead of worrying about his new reality TV show; and his former running mate Ron Artest is a truly nice guy, but his perimeter jump shot is lacking. Rather, he should be used on the inside where his bulk and brute strength can be used to the greatest advantage. Fisher needs to become a player coach he can faciilate the transition of the new coach which I hope will be Rick Adelman or Larry Brown.


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