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Caught in the Web: Finishing up exit interviews

Photo: Phil Jackson answers questions from reporters at the team's practice facility in El Segundo on Wednesday. Credit: Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times / May 11, 2011. --The Times' Mark Heisler provides countless anecdotes on what made Phil Jackson fun to cover.

--The Times' Mike Bresnahan highlights Kobe Bryant's belief that the Lakers can win a championship next season even with the same roster.

--The Times' Andrea Chang explains how local businesses have been hurt because of the Lakers' early elimination.

--ESPN.com's J.A. Adande attempts to make sense of what led to the Lakers' downward spiral.

--Sports Illustrated's Sam Amick looks at who might be the team's next head coach.

--The Daily News' Vincent Bonsignore argues that the L.A. area didn't know Jackson all that well.

--The Orange County Register's Janis Carr wonders if the Lakers need Dwight Howard.

---The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding argues the Lakers simply need a better Kobe Bryant.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Andy and Brian Kamenetzky discuss in their latest podcast what went wrong with the Lakers.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Arash Markazi looks at the possible coaching candidates.

--The Riverside Press Enterprise's Gregg Patton argues the Lakers' early playoff exit most affects Brian Shaw, who isn't guaranteed to be the Lakers' next head coach.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Ramona Shelburne looks at the relationship between Bryant and Jackson.

--Yahoo! Sports' Marc Spears has this interesting quote from Bryant on the supposed rift between he and Pau Gasol, which both have staunchly rejected: "It’s just not true,” Bryant told Yahoo! Sports. "I don’t know who, where it’s from or who said this or what. It’s just not true. It’s just not true. Pau and I, we know that. It sucks for him to have that kind of stuff going on with his family or whatever he has going on. It couldn’t further from the truth. The only beef that we have is when I call him soft, he gets upset when I call him soft. That’s it."

--The Daily News' Elliott Teaford notes that the Lakers will draw motivation from their early playoff exit. 

--ESPN.com's Marc Stein reports that the Lakers have a lot of interest in Rick Adelman.

--Fox Sports' Billy Witz argues the Lakers will be more boring without Jackson around.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius Soriano provides a few "fast-break" thoughts.

--Silver Screen and Roll's wondahbap wonders the merits of Lakers management "blowing up" the roster.

Tweet of the Day:"My boss & friend Jerry Buss always comes out on top in situations like this… he will make the right decisions ... Who will coach the @Lakers? If that really was Phil Jackson's last game - Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!" -- MagicJohnson (Lakers Hall of Famer Magic Johnson)

Rick Friedman Reader Comment of the Day: "1. Everyone knew the Lakers would have to pound the ball inside to take advantage of their size. The Lakers didn't pound the ball inside. 2. Everyone knew the Lakers would have to play solid, energetic team defense. The Lakers didn't play defense. 3. Everyone knew the Lakers would have to play tough and physical to intimidate opponents and not let them grow confident. The Lakers didn't play physical and consistently let players penetrate without consequence. This isn't rocket science. This isn't some grand mystery of life. The Lakers played lazy, stupid and without heart... so we got humiliated as a result. Pathetic." -- Jon. K

-- Mark Medina

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Photo: Phil Jackson answers questions from reporters at the team's practice facility in El Segundo on Wednesday. Credit: Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times / May 11, 2011.

 
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Magic's tweet could go both ways... is he thanking PJ for a job well done, or thanking him that it's his last game?

Nice post I love this keep me updated all off season I am a fan of your work ,

Dreaded repost with one addition - Jon K FTW!!


I'm past denial but still working on confusion and anger. And I can't see acceptance coming along any time soon. This was completely and totally ridiculous, pitiful and otherwise insulting. I can't believe what I saw. (Ok - so maybe still some denial). Ugh. It's gonna be a very long summer.

Who the new coach will be is the decision I'm most interested in. Other than a HELL NO to Byron Scott or Stan Van Fatty, I'm torn. I'm leaning towards liking the idea of Shaw because I think it would be a mistake to go away from the system and main personnel we currently have. This team has gotten it done more times than not. I'm assuming that the bench inconsistency will be addressed and that Kobe will receive some help in the form of either a running mate in the backcourt or a deadly shooter. If that's the plan, then Shaw would be good for continuity. IMO.

Jamie Sweet - welcome back. Sorry to hear about your personal stuff, but glad to see you in better spirits. Great posts lately too!

hobbit - kudos on your (once yet again) excellent arguments putting Kobe bashers to shame. I just don't get all the hate for the ONE player who we've never had to question his heart, determination or drive to bring the Lakers to glory. It boggles the mind.

PSP - honestly you've got the wrong idea about the RC. It's just troll-less and unmoderated, so discussions are fast and furious, for the most part, and fun. ALL views are welcome but no one beats anyone over the head with theirs. But whatever - visit or not - up to you.

Edwin - I haven't seen Lew around lately... I think he's travelling. But I'll watch for him.

GO ANYONE BUT MIAMI!


D-Wade turns 30 during next season, wow! Guess his career is nearing the end!

I think we're going to need a players coach with the players we have. Brian Shaw is the guy I would choose. Not only because that's who the players are choosing, but because he can keep the same system intact and keep the lines of communication open with Phil Jackson. Phil Jackson might retire, but I think he'll still be able to influence the team with Brian Shawas head coach. If we bring in a guy from outside the organization, we'd have to start all over. That is not desireable in my opinion.

What we need is a few tweaks. Trade Pau for another PF or a PG, and hire B Shaw to be the head coach. Keep the assistants, keep Phil Jackson as a consultant, and let's get back on track.

Go Lakers!

*****REPOST*****

My concern about Pau is the emotional/mental side of the game. Physical injuries typically heal, but mental injuries can linger.

How many times has a player come back physically and never recovered from the mental block of worrying about another injury? That was our concern about Drew and I must say I'm proud of how he's grown into a stronger player (notwithstanding his flagrant fouls) after so many unfortunate injuries.

How many times has a quality player suffered an emotional setback and never returned to their dominant stature?

Even Tiger Woods hasn't returned to his dominance since that whole marital debacle and I considered him more on the emotional/mental level of Kobe and MJ.

Pau is a romantic. He loves Opera, not Metallica. Probably enjoys a love story more than a war story. He's obviously fragile and has trouble separating his outside world from the court.

Kobe and MJ would release their off-court pain by punishing their opponents on the court. Whereas, Pau's off-court pain consumed him on the court causing him to shrink like a violet.

As fans, it's our job to be concerned, but support him if he's back next season.

A good sign will be how he performs with the Spanish National team. However, that will NOT be the tell all of whether he should remain a Laker. But, at a minimum his trade value will rise again if the Lakers believe that the team chemistry with Pau has been fractured beyond repair.

It's the Lakers team, staff and ownership that's best suited to determine whether or not Pau can function at optimum level for this team. Only they know what really went on behind the scenes and how permanent the damage will be.

Hopefully Pau will be back to his championship form for the Lakers next season.

For us now, it's just "Wait and See!"

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A thursday afternoon and moderation once again ruins any continuity.

As JAMF says her blog is fast and furious

guess we can call our blog The Slow and Curious


curious as to why we have to put up with this

perhaps if we all decide to do a walkout and not post MM would change his mind

Troll Man - I've been moderating comments with a lot of frequency.

@Jon K - congrats on the Friedman. I'll add one more to your list. We all knew the Lakers would execute at the end of games for the victory. Didn't happen.


@fever – you have been a tad grumpy lately, but no apologies necessary. I remember your fury with Favre and it looks like Pau is approaching that status with you. Out of curiosity who do you suggest the Lakers trade him for? Of course, trading him means you gotta trust Mitch to pull off a good deal and based on your comments of him that’s a scary proposition.

I hope you move thru the last two stages of your recovery swiftly…but that also could be dicey because IIRC you also have a certain disdain for a trio in Miami, who could win it all…lol.


@Corner J – Triangle…Smiangle. Who cares what system the team runs as long as it wins. As much as you would like to see Showtime style basketball it ain’t happened with this roster and they Lakers can’t change that much overnight. They do need to get more athletic. Playing Ebanks is a start. Moving one of two players could help also, but still it’ll be a far cry from Showtime.


@Edwin – excellent selection to comfort the masses. Thanks for taking a sad song and making it better :-)

@Tri – AWB in the house. Nice.

On a coach, the question is really, who will the players listen to? Westhead had lost the ears of his players and Riley was brought in. Riley fit the team and got their attention and the Lakers went on to a win a few titles. Then his intnse style burned out some guys and it was time to Riles to move on.


Similarly, Del Harris, a great coach, had lost the ears of his team. Phil came in, fresh off being God's coach in Chicago, and the team listened, running off 3 straight titles.


Finally this year they tuned out PJ. So who will this team listen to now? Shaw is getting vocal support from the players. The question is, do they just like him and feel comfortable with him, or is a guy they will really respond to?


As Tex says, the system doesn't matter, it's how you run the system. The Lakers need to figure out who can get this team to listen to him and play the right way. That may well be B. Shaw. The advantage is no learning curve, just a re-committment to playing the right way. But somebody needs to come in who this group of vets will respond to. That is waht really matters.

LRob said earlier:

"Only in Laker Nation can you win back 2 back championships….go to 3 finals in 4years and have fans bash…the GM that assembled the team, the Superstar/#4 in MVP voting and the All-Star big man.

I understand a certain level of criticism for each. That’s what happens when you don’t win the ultimate prize. I understand Pau taking heavy criticism…that what happens when you play so far below expectations, but I don’t get some of the comments that I that I consider more “hateful” than criticism…but hey that’s just me!"

PRECISELY why I retired! No time for in-house trolling and negativity!

MM

that's gotta be time consuming, The K Bros had the simple advantage of there being the two of them.

Is it all you or do you have help?

LRob,

I suppose you're right there won't be a new Showtime anytime soon.
However, whatever system they do install, evidently, is not that big of a deal.

Here's what Kobe has to say about it:

"So where does Kobe stand when it comes to a system?

"It's funny, Tex always had a saying," Bryant said, referring to longtime Jackson assistant and creator of the triangle offense Tex Winter. "He said, 'I don't give a damn what system you run, as long as you run it well.' And he's the one that brought the triangle to us and Chicago.

"It's his philosophy that he doesn't care. You can have the most sophisticated offense in the world, but if you don't run it right, it's not going to work. You can have the most simplistic offense in the world, but if you execute it properly, you'll have success."


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/05/12/lakers.coaching/index.html#ixzz1MAxYY8Kr

For those who still wants to see Fish as the Lakers starting PG.

For those who still wants to see Luke Walton warming up the bench eating up Lakers money and roster spot.

For those who still want to run the Triangle that is WITHOUT the Master of the Triangle.

For those who wants an inexperienced unproven coach to go head-to-head in terms of strategies and adjustments against the likes of Gregg Popovich, Doc Rivers, Tom Thibodeaux, etc...

For those who wants a coach who is beholden to past team politics and owes different loyalties to different Laker players...

As supposed to an outsider who can make the best decision for the team without UNDUE INFLUENCE from certain Laker players with seniority.

Then by all means say yes to Brian Shaw!

Congrat Jon K, well said. You don't have to be a coach with 11, 20 titles to figure it out.

For those who are debating about the Triangle or no Triangle, remember that that was only HALF the sad story -the offensive half.

The other HALF of the sad story is the defensive half. The Lakers were humiliated not as much because they couldn't score but more because the Mavs were running circles around them and scored at will. The Lakers couldn't deal with the pick n roll and were giving up penetration at will. Perimeter defense was even worse with one Mav after another WIDE OPEN for 3-pt shots.

The Lakers played lazy, undisciplined, clueless, pathetically BAD defense.

Gee, wasn't Brian Shaw part of the coaching staff responsible for this SHAMEFUL DEBACLE?

Yeah, make Shaw coach and expect a different result?

Now that's smart... NOT!

D-Wade turns 30 during next season, wow! Guess his career is nearing the end!

Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | May 12, 2011 at 01:48 PM

It's not calendar age that matters, but basketball age. Wade's had plenty of downtime during his calendar age (and basketball age), so he's due for a longer basketball age.


Pau/Bynum for Howard/Arenas or CP3!

I'm sure the Buss' are thinking about the future as their players are getting older. Even thought Howards says he doesn't want out, it's going to be too difficult building a team around Howard with the bad contract.

Lakers have 4 draft picks this year - USE THESE PLAYERS! There was an argument that part of why Blake was never really able to fully blossom was the fact that he didn't take enough shots, or play enough. I believe the same applies to rookies.

For those who still want to run the Triangle that is WITHOUT the Master of the Triangle.

Posted by: Psycorp | May 12, 2011 at 02:35 PM

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wasn't tex winter the "master" of the triangle?

didn't lal win back to back rings without the "master" of the triangle?

'... "It's funny, Tex always had a saying," Bryant said, referring to longtime Jackson assistant and creator of the triangle offense Tex Winter. "He said, 'I don't give a damn what system you run, as long as you run it well.' And he's the one that brought the triangle to us and Chicago.

It's his philosophy that he doesn't care. You can have the most sophisticated offense in the world, but if you don't run it right, it's not going to work. You can have the most simplistic offense in the world, but if you execute it properly, you'll have success." -Kobe

Hey that sounds perfectly reasonable and very, very good indeed.

Now given that, say the "sophisticated" offense happens to need very specially smart players and usually steep learning curve to master...

While the "simplistic" offense can be understood and executed by pretty much 99% of the players because they all grew up with it...

Which then do you guys think is the better choice? the kind of offense that makes it much easier to go out and get just about any player and only worry about their basketball talent instead of their ability to "read" and "understand" complex set up AND have the player up and ready to go RIGHT AWAY with no learning curve?

DUH!

If you put it like that Psy, then maybe I'd opt for B Scott

Is there really anyone out there of the caliber of PJ?

If this were a year ago, I'd scream to get Thibodeaux... but now he's running ish in the East so there's no chance we get him without offering PJ like salary

OFFSEASON PRIORITIES:

1) Sign Brian Shaw as coach.
2) Encourage DFisher to retire and be a Laker asst.coach.
3) Trade or convince fLuke Walton retire and be a special coach for lakers.
4) Trade Pau/Bynum for DHoward.
5) Trade for Chris Paul/DWill/Felton.
6) Let Shannon Brown go.
7) Give Ebanks and Caracter a regular playing time.
8) Sign Trey Johnson as our backup PG.
9) Sign/draft a good shooter.
10) Sign Kapono/Jason Richardson/Eddie House to a minimum deal.

Yellofever thoughts on Lebronzes recent apology for the decision...

BOAHAHAHAHA.. Does this clown think he's vindicated cause he beat boston? He still gotta face the leagues best defense, coach of the year, and MVP! CHUMP!

And boston fan,

Where r u now??? Don't go MIA cause u lost to MIA? What happened to ur 3 headed monster of krstic, jermaine, and shraq u were relying on? They combined for 4 rbs last game?! And u mean to tell me jeff freakin green didn't make u a better team?! Oh danny how could you??!!

LRob,

Thank you.

justanothermambafan,

I think this loss hurt worse than losing to the Pistons in the 2005 Finals. I was a complete mess afterwards. I'm meetings some Lakeraholics at The Sweep in Sherman Oaks tonight to drown our sorrows.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

bluesky,

EVERYONE knew what we needed to do. E-VER-Y-BOD-Y! EVERYONE!

The Lakers didn't do it.

It was like half the team lost family members in a 9/11-type event days before the playoffs.

Just a weird disconnect.

Shocking.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

as much as i give props to pj for all his rings, this year was a shameful thing from the get go. first remember that magical mystery tour before the season? pj said it ruined the preseason for them. when things weren't going well, he seemed to indicate that the players were going to have to figure it out for themselves. my mistake, i thought it was the coach's job to tighten up the ship.his rather blase' demeanor was replicated by the players. the concept of turning on the switch when the play offs began, were embarrassingly, shown to be a sham. a few times, during the season, i said that i hoped that we had not all drank the kool-aid, and i hoped that this was not just seeing the emperor's new clothes. I'm afraid that this may be just that

Rick Adelman on Lakers' radar?

link to coaches Lakers are interested in

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6534904

Congrats Jon K, a well deserved Friedman. It sounds like Basketball-101, I guess the Lakers flunked that course.

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Marc Stein is reporting the Lakers are interested in Rick Adelman (props to Art who first said it here a few days back!):
http://es.pn/kdwSvJ

Count me as onboard with this.

Jerry Sloan should get some consideration, too. He is a tough coach that Kobe would respect, he could be brought in on a 2 or 3-yr deal, seeing out the rest of Kobe's current deal. But, I tend to think Adelman would be a better choice in my eyes.

Unfortunately for Brian Shaw, the bloody way the Lakers were eliminated probably means the seamless transition from Phil Jackson to Shaw won't happen. That's too bad, I hope he remains as an assistant coach and is groomed for a few more years under the wing of Adelman or whomever they end up choosing. Chuck Person too, he reinvigorated the defense (too bad the guys didn't keep practicing his preaching in the playoffs...)

Hopefully too they focus on landing CP3. We already have an elite center. If we land CP3 we could throw him out there alongside Bynum & Kobe. That would be a better-fitting trio than the one in South Beach. Adelman would rejuvenate the offense, he is great at optimizing his weapons and his players abilities.

LA Lakers - never boring!


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!

justanothermambafan: "GO ANYONE BUT MIAMI!" - reminds me of the bumper sticker "My favorite team is USC & anyone playing the Bruins!" lol =P

Sure, let's abandon the offensive system that accounts for 11 of the last 20 NBA championships, even though one of the reasons we got swept had nothing to do with the offense but rather we could not rotate quickly enough on DEFENSE to cover the 3-pt shooters.

And, BTW, the Lakers have previously demonstrated that they CAN defend against high volume 3-pt shooting teams. ORL in the 2009 Finals was actually a better 3-pt shooting team than this current DAL team but we covered the ORL 3-pt shooters like a blanket. But then, again, we also had QUICKER personnel rotating on the DEFENSE of the perimeter in 2009 - Ariza, Jordan, Sasha, a younger Derek, a younger Kobe....

LRob: I see what you're saying, Drew wasn't around a full season. That's true.

But do you really feel that Bosh deserved any All-NBA votes at all? After all, to even receive a single vote you have to consider him to be top-3 at his position. Voting assigns points to your ranking, first team votes get 5 pts, second team get 3, third team votes get 1.

Therefore, not one but two sportswriters considered him the third-best power forward in the league. Does you actually think he deserved getting votes above any one of this group:

Pau
Amar'e
Dirk
Blake
K-Love
Z'Bo
Josh Smith
L.A.

Should I stop? That's not even throwing Duncan, Boozer or KG in there - which he just might be ahead of.

So, of those guys, who would you say he merited getting All-NBA votes ahead of? His game has clearly degenerated from his Toronto games, where I'll give you that he would have actually merited getting votes...

AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!
Posted by: CyberCosmiX | May 12, 2011 at 02:40 PM
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Cyber,

You’re right; Bosh didn’t deserve the two votes. Certainly not over Pau, Amare, Dirk, Z-Bo or LA.

Let me re-phrase it and say I’m surprised he didn’t get more votes, based on Drew getting 11 votes or Bargnani getting one vote. Anyway, the center position is wide open after Dwight…so if Drew comes out and play like he did in the 16-1 streak, he could be 2nd team in 2012.

Also I don’t think its by position i.e (PF, SF). I think you vote for a center, 2 forwards and 2 guards. That’s how Lebron and Durant (both SF’s ) were on the first team.

I am a staunch laker fan and i do believe they will come back, but when everything falls apart peoples true colors come out. So they lost, it was bound to come to an end sooner than later. At least this will motivate those players who are around next season (if there is One) to get it done right. I always joke that i bleed purple and gold but in the end i move on and live another they day just as these highly paid well treated pampered players have.

http://es.pn/kdwSvJ

The Los Angeles Lakers' search for Phil Jackson's replacement is just beginning, but NBA coaching sources on Thursday described the Lakers as "very interested" in Rick Adelman as a candidate for the position.

Lakers assistant coach Brian Shaw has the public endorsement of Kobe Bryant and is regarded as by far the strongest in-house candidate for the position.

Yet sources say Lakers officials are intrigued by the Adelman option, not only because of his history of success in Portland, Sacramento and Houston but also his reputation for thriving with veteran teams and the similarities between Adelman's "corner" offense and Jackson's "triangle" offense.

Beyond Shaw and Adelman, sources said, L.A.'s list of potential targets is only just taking shape.

ESPN.com reported in March that the Lakers have maintained a level of interest in former Rockets and New York Knicks coach Jeff Van Gundy dating to last season, when Jackson also strongly considered retirement before deciding to come back for one more season.

Former Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy will also be considered, the Los Angeles Times' Mark Heisler reported earlier this week via Twitter. Dunleavy coached the Lakers for two seasons in the early 1990s and has maintained a friendship with Lakers owner Jerry Buss and son Jim Buss, who serves as the club's executive vice president of player personnel.

L.A.'s decision-making chain of command when it comes to choosing Jackson's replacement is Jim Buss, Jerry Buss and general manager Mitch Kupchak, ESPN.com's J.A. Adande reported after the Lakers were swept Sunday by Dallas.

"In that order," one source told Adande.

In his postseason sitdown with reporters Wednesday, Kupchak said: "We'd like to be deliberate. In Los Angeles, typically we hire coaches and they stick with us for a long time and hopefully win championships. So we'll take our time in making that decision."

Lakers co-captain Derek Fisher and veteran forward Luke Walton have joined Bryant in registering support for Shaw, but it remains to be seen if the Busses are prepared to replace the most successful coach in history with a first-time NBA head coach.

Adelman, 64, has never won a championship and is best remembered in Lakerland as coach of the Sacramento team that took a 3-2 series lead over L.A. in the heated and controversial 2002 Western Conference finals before the Kings lost in seven games. But his reputation as a player's coach with a pleasing-to-the-eye offense would appear to make him a better fit than other top veteran coaches available -- such as Van Gundy, Jerry Sloan or Larry Brown -- because of the Buss family's well-known fondness for entertaining basketball.

In four seasons with the injury-plagued Rockets, Adelman posted a record of 193-135 for a .588 winning percentage and helped Houston extend the Lakers to seven games in the second round of the 2009 playoffs despite the absence of Yao Ming for most of the series. Adelman's career record is 945-616, which puts him eighth in all-time victories and includes two trips to the NBA Finals with Portland, as well as one unsuccessful stint with Golden State between his jobs with the Blazers and Kings.

Sorry guys I had to go to work to help pay for the various welfare programs. Yall say the consensus is that Hobbit was victorious over the Priest? I'm sure yall believe that because yall were the same delusional fans who thought that the lakers would 3 peat. I'm an intelligent man so I can't relate to paranoia, delusion and other mental illnesses. Hobbit takes stats out of context but ignores the biggest statistic and that is the lakers getting swept in the 2nd round and getting the second worst beating in nba history with kobe the ball hog as the leader. The worse one was the 2008 game 6 beat down.

"Sign Trey Johnson as our backup PG"

I think that should be as close to 100% as there is... but you never know given the stupidity of last off season

speakin of Lebronze

how about him crouching and fake crying after last nights game

please Chicago beat them to a pulp

@Lrob... Right now I'll take anybody with 2 legs a pulse and a pair of balls over pau but preferably a PG who can create his own shot. And thx for the kind thoughts but if miami wins then forget recovery.. Just look for me on the 9 o clock news! (J/k)

@Triangulator.. Agree on your tiger analogy... You bring up an important point.. if tiger with his killer instinct mentality hasn't yet found his game after almost 2 years how can anyone in their right mind expect a pau to bounce back? Wishful thinking?

@psycorp.. Bravo! Encore!

Why Phil will coach the Lakers next season:

1. He is a proven winner and wants to leave on a winning note.
2. He owes Mark Cuban can of whup A.. and a hand shake thereafter
3. Dr. Buss
4. Jeannie Buss

Everyone says "trust Mitch, trust Mitch"

Sure, Mitch has had his successes. Drafting Ebanks & Caracter = awesome!
Drafting Sun Yue = Terrible
but a few picks later, somehow in the late 2nd round, he redeems himself and selects Marc Gasol = awesome!

Trading Mo Evans & Brian Cook for Ariza = such a happy day that was

Trading our young talent for Pau Gasol = best trade in the short term he'll ever make

Swapping Artest for Ariza = Hmmm. debatable. Pretty close to a mistake, but I won't judge for sure

Swapping Blake for Farmar = LOL

Swapping Butler for Kwame = ROTFLMAO

Giving Luke a 6 year deal = ROTFLMAOPMP

Swapping Ratliff for MBenga = not even funny anymore

Swapping Joe Smith for Vujacic which helps cost the Lakers more than it saves = now I'm just crying; and so is Buss' wallet

He's drafted pretty well. He's had a handful of incredible trades (mostly AFTER Kobe demanded a trade and the organization HAD to make moves and make them quick)

When he makes a mistake, he REALLY makes a mistake. So, which Mitch will show up?

Maybe Kobe should put a little pressure on them again??

Class, today we have a basic lesson in logic:

1 + 1 = 2

1 + 0 = 1

And since 1 < 2 we can deduct the following: 1 < 1 + 1

Real life example:

Brian Shaw + Phil Jackson (by all account the best coach who commands lot of respect) = lazy, unmotivated Lakers team that does not hustle and play hard-nosed defense (2011)

Brian Shaw + 0 = a different and better result for 2012?

Brian Shaw by himself is going to do better than Brian Shaw PLUS Phil Jackson?

DUUUHHH...

"... Sure, let's abandon the offensive system that accounts for 11 of the last 20 NBA championships, even though one of the reasons we got swept had nothing to do with the offense but rather we could not rotate quickly enough on DEFENSE to cover the 3-pt shooters."

Sure let's keep the system and keep trotting out Derek Fisher as the team starting PG and keep Luke Walton on the bench because well, they are much more knowledgeable and well-versed on the triangle than anybody else, no matter how good a basketball player he is, that comes from outside the team.

For that matter let's bring back Magic and Kareem cause afterall they did win a ton of championships right? I mean what worked two years ago or twenty years ago should still work next year right?

"... But then, again, we also had QUICKER personnel rotating on the DEFENSE of the perimeter in 2009 - Ariza, Jordan, Sasha, a younger Derek, a younger Kobe...."

Ahem we do NOT have those guys anymore, earth calling Pluto! Hello! Hello! What do you say about getting new guys that can do these things? Eh, sorry no can do. Those new guys will need to sit on the bench to learn the intricacies of the triangle first and maybe, just maybe some of them will understand it enough to be let out on the court.

sup fellaz!

are we still on with the moderation thing? is MM back yet?

oh well I guess ill find out after this post, but i just read on google that DOC RIVERS is probably coming back next year as a LEPRECHAUN!!

"The deal is for "more than two or three years," the person told The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity because the details were still being worked out.

Although last summer Rivers mulled whether to take time off and spend time with his family, he said immediately after Wednesday night's game that he was "leaning heavily to coming back."

"I haven't made that decision, but I can tell you I probably will," he said. "I'm a Celtic and I love our guys. I want to win again here, and I'm competitive as hell. I have a competitive group, so we'll see. I can tell you that is where I am at today. Tomorrow I may change my mind, but that's where I am at today."

Rivers' commitment is an indication that Celtics general manager Danny Ainge will keep together the core of the team that won the 2008 title and returned to the NBA finals in 2010, losing in seven games to the Lakers.

yup his going to be a CELDIK folks!!

You know, with the inevitable shortened season, PJ sure left the door wide open for a possible return by stating he'll see how he feels in 6 months which is in November and if there's a lockout, he just might come back for the remainder of the season. Hey: S.A. won a championship after a lockout, why can't L.A.?

I do know this: L.A. couldn't beat the Heat during the regular season and seeing how they're playing in the postseason, there's no way L.A. would have beaten them in the Finals. A lot of teams retooled to contend with L.A. Now it's time for teams to retool to contend with Miami and/or Dallas.

GO DALLAS - they're the last of the "old-school" players. Represent. LeBron's "brand" building will have to wait another season. He's not interested in being a champion; he needs a championship in order to push his "brand." After all, he wants to be a billionaire - which is cool - but not at the expense of the trophy. LBJ: you've got enough "seed" money to make your billions. You don't need or deserve a championship although you do have some friggin' mad skills!

When he makes a mistake, he REALLY makes a mistake. So, which Mitch will show up?

Maybe Kobe should put a little pressure on them again??

Posted by: Tim-4-Show | May 12, 2011 at 04:08 PM

Spot on post,so true.You know what else, when phil an the triangle didn't work,it really didn't work. When the lakers were elimanted,they Really were elimanted/exterminated.. See 03' 04' 06'07'08' 11'

Should anybody be surprised that Kobe, Fish and Walton endorsed Brian Shaw? really, really surprised? it's quite simple:

1) Walton: Any other coach will mean no triangle which means Walton will be out of a basketball job. And even if he doesn't play much he still gets to sit on the bench and be a Laker while earning a paycheck.

2) Fish: Ditto. Fish will be out as starting PG is the triangle is not coming back. Heck, Fish will even be lucky to still be on the team and on the bench if Shaw is not the coach.

3) Kobe: Kobe knows if there's any chance of him able to drive the coach as supposed to be reigned in by him is if Shaw becomes coach. Heck Shaw was used to be taking order from Kobe while he was playing and who knows he may still owes his assistant coaching job to Kobe. Heaven forbids if a new coach comes in and keeps Kobe from free-lancing at will.

PSP - again you misunderstand!! It's not a blog and it's not mine. It's a chat room that Magic Phil set up. But when people are around we discuss all things Lakers and then some, so it's fun (no trolls are allowed to wreak havoc or jack handles or anything like that) and instant - no moderation. It's just an alternative for when you want to talk in real time, that's all. Anyhoo....


Cyber - It's my mantra for the rest of the Playoffs - GO ANYONE BUT MIAMI! They can't win it all. THE HORROR. The suicide hotlines will go CRAZY. Not to mention the emergency rooms full of people who can't stop puking.


Jon K - feeling YOU. This one hurt - a LOT. Wish I could join you guys.... sigh.... my sorrows could use drowning too.


Let's face it, Rick Adelman never had the personnel he would if he came to the Lakers. Not exactly endorsing, I'm just saying.

Not exactly understanding the aversion to B. Scott. Former Laker, good coach, and Kobe likes him.

Van Gundy? Oy.

Coach K is out. Doc Rivers (oh my gosh whoever thought of him needs his head examined) isn't coming to LA. Chuck Person? He is behind B Shaw if you ask me. Kurt? Possibly. I wouldn't hate that.

Bottom line - it doesn't matter. They'll get who they get.

Love my team, and I am a Lakerholic!

GO LAKERS!

@ Posted by: Psycorp | May 12, 2011 at 04:28 PM
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You're missing the point. All I am saying is that the defensive lapses of Game 4 when the 3's were raining down had nothing to do with the Triangle.

The Lakers organization should come out to thank Phil Jackson for 5 championships he has won for the team. Maybe the Buss family should hire Jackson to be a consultant, much like Kareem. The one thing the Lakers organization do best is to recognize all players, coaches, and staff who have contributed to the success of the organization in the past, and this is what drives the Lakers to one of the best franchise in the NBA history with support of the ex-Lakers. Please do not lose this good quality.

Justa that sounds like a fabulous chat room for fascism. I guess there is no difference of opinions allowed eh? When I suffer from insomnia I will visit it to get some sleep. But why didn't you invite sean, eddie gueco, mud, hobbit and other sensitive bloggers? If you do then medina wouldn't have to go crazy moderating to protect these lily flowers....Troll Man or PSP or whoever the hell you are, Eddie Gueco threatened to write the editors of the la times about you buddy. You are in big big trouble. He is upset with your multiple handles. Honestly you do seem to have a dissociative disorder.

>>>1) Walton: Any other coach will mean no triangle which means Walton will be
>>>out of a basketball job. And even if he doesn't play much he still gets to sit on
>>>the bench and be a Laker while earning a paycheck.

Very true.

Just what we need......Mike dunleavy. Seriously that has to be a joke. Correct me if I'm wrong but adelmans teams always played hard for him. As psycorp mentioned Kobe wants Shaw so he can push him around.

Justa

Which of the PSP's post were you replying to? With the current handle jacker dude/dudette on the prowl, it may or may not have come from Castle PSP.

Island Priestess

You feel better yet? After getting straight mollywhopped by hobbit, the PSP felt you had learned your lesson. Be careful; he may not take it easy on you next time.

If the Heat win this thing, is it going to be a depressing summer or what. The thought of the princess's mug being on anything and everything is just vomit inducing. Oy Vey!

Thanks
PSP Officer

Sorry guys I had to go to work to help pay for the various welfare programs. Yall say the consensus is that Hobbit was victorious over the Priest? I'm sure yall believe that because yall were the same delusional fans who thought that the lakers would 3 peat. I'm an intelligent man so I can't relate to paranoia, delus.. bl

Posted by: Island Priest | May 12, 2011 at 03:57 PM

blah blah blah.. you have said virtually the same thing over and over sprinkled with varying amounts of 'idiotic'. island priest you are also the same dude that came out of nowhere, as the self-proclaimed kobe hater of the blog.. take a ticket, a seat, and wait for it. You are the same guy that we wouldn't mistake for requiring a google search to correct your spelling - 'intelligant'. Try arrogant-repetitive-buffoon, balloon about to be popped. We will never mistake you for being intellig-ant so you don't have to worry about that my man.

Lakers Starters Next Season:

Power Forward: Dwight Howard
Small Forward: Kevin Love

Center: Yao Ming or Manny Pacquiao (the first Filipino NBA player)

Shooting Guard: Kobe Bryant
Point Guard: Chris Paul

Bench: Odom, Artest, Blake Griffin, Brown, Steve Nash, Barnes, Fish (needs to retire already and show some dignity!!!)

Lakers should try to get Kevin Durant next 3 years or less!!!

Lakers Starters Next Season:

Power Forward: Dwight Howard
Small Forward: Kevin Love

Center: Yao Ming or Manny Pacquiao (the first Filipino NBA player)

Shooting Guard: Kobe Bryant
Point Guard: Chris Paul

Bench: Odom, Artest, Blake Griffin, Brown, Steve Nash, Barnes, Fish (needs to retire already and show some dignity!!!)

Lakers should try to get Kevin Durant next 3 years or less!!!


wussup lakers fans no need 2 worry. i have the perfect scenerio. hire rick adelman, trade gasol artest and either fisher or blake for chris paul trevor ariza and emeka okafor. I need you guys to pass it along lets get mitch kupchak's attention and make this thing happen. with this trade we get youth, athleticism, and great 3 point shooting; all of the things the team was missing this year. And with okafor we will continue the length and great interior defense that we enjoyed the last couple of years.



wussup lakers fans no need 2 worry. i have the perfect scenerio. hire rick adelman, trade gasol artest and either fisher or blake for chris paul trevor ariza and emeka okafor. I need you guys to pass it along lets get mitch kupchak's attention and make this thing happen. with this trade we get youth, athleticism, and great 3 point shooting; all of the things the team was missing this year. And with okafor we will continue the length and great interior defense that we enjoyed the last couple of years.



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