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5 questions surrounding the Lakers' off-season

614626181. How will a possible lockout affect their off-season movement? Anyone expecting the team to either make swift moves or slight tweaks to the roster need to understand the sobering reality: Teams can't do anything so long as there's not a collective bargaining agreement. Since that's set to expire June 30, 2011 and there's no sign the league's owners and players union are near an agreement, it's safe to presume this will be a long off-season.

2. Who do the Lakers hire as their next head coach? Phil Jackson hasn't wavered from retirement, and his news conference following the Lakers' Game 4 loss to Dallas made it very obvious he's more than content with the legacy he has with 11 championships rings.

Assistant coach Brian Shaw has widely been expected to be favored to replace Jackson, including public endorsements from Kobe Bryant and Derek Fisher. But The Times' Mark Heisler reported that the Lakers are also considering Boston Coach Doc Rivers, ESPN.com's J.A. Adande reported the coaching search as "wide open" and Magic Johnson tweeted Monday evening, "Dr. Buss & Mitch Kupchak will 1st decide who will be the coach then address the roster. Dr. Buss has always made good personnel decisions."

3. How will Matt Barnes and Shannon Brown address their player options? This is by no means the most pressing concern, but it's the most immediate. Barnes has an option next season worth $1.91 million and Brown has an option worth $2.37 million. This certainly doesn't mean their sentiments haven't changed, but Barnes and Brown gave some signals to The Times' Mike Bresnahan in March what they plan to do. Barnes, who's been on eight teams in his eight-year career, has often mentioned his want for stability and told Bresnahan he is "comfortable" exercising his option to stay with the Lakers next season. Brown, who received what Bresnahan characterized as a 'lukewarm response" during free agency last season, acknowledged to Bresnahan that testing free agency again would be the "best scenario" but made it clear he hadn't made a definitive decision. Those are answers we'll surely find out soon.

569968134. How will the coaching candidate affect the way the Lakers adjust their roster? It'd be far too speculative to wonder which coaching candidates the Lakers will consider and how that would play out in molding their roster. But this is clear: Shaw has made it clear he'd continue running the triangle should he be the Lakers' head coach.

But should the Lakers go in another direction, it's safe to presume that coach won't be coaching the triangle offense. As a result, there will either be an adjustment period for certain players on the Lakers roster. Players such as Fisher and Luke Walton come to mind as ones who'd be affected by a system change. That's not to say their future with the team would be severely influenced since that also requires a willing trading partner. But it'll certainly alter their roles.

5. How will Kobe Bryant treat his injuries? The Lakers had hoped to squeeze as many championships as they could out of this veteran-heavy roster, so there's no real "benefit" to ending the season early. But since the Lakers were eliminated early with a sweep in the Western Conference semifinals partly because of the heavy mileage from three successive NBA Finals, the offseason will provide much-needed rest. No one needs that more perhaps than Bryant, who played through the 2010-2011 season with injuries to his surgically repaired right knee, arthritis on his right index finger and a sprained left ankle.

Bryant already had arthroscopic surgery on his right knee last summer, but with his revelation in early January that there's very little cartilage in his right knee, extra treatment and rest will help that situation. It's been indicated that surgery may not even absolve the arthritis in his right index finger, but perhaps other options are available that normally wouldn't be because of his concern that the rehab would eat too much into the season. And he just may decide to get MRI and X-rays on his sprained left ankle after refusing to do so in the playoffs. It's safe to presume he'll spend the off-season resting, but how he treats his ankle will prove critical considering his health prompted Jackson to sit him out for most practices and his fatigue caught up to him at times, particularly in the semifinals series against Dallas, when he struggled in closing out games. 

--Mark Medina

Email the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com

Top photo: A dejected Lamar Odom towels off on the bench during a timeout in Game 4 on Sunday afternoon in Dallas. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times / May 8, 2011

Bottom photo: Lakers point guard Derek Fisher and assistant coach Brian Shaw, who took over head coaching duties with Phil Jackson ill, discuss strategy during an exhibition game last season against the Warriors. Credit: Mark J. Terrill / Associated Press / October 23, 2010

 
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Amid the problems of our team a bit of basketball always fun.

With 50 seconds left Oklahoma vs Memphis game Kendry Porkyns (The hard man)lost two shots from the line.
This guy if it is really a very hard American player, he can talk about any other player
He is a real man, his penis is bigger than any other pivot in the NBA

Marc Gasol in the extra time is:
24 points, 18 rebounds, 3 AST,
Porkyns en_US
2 points, 6 rebounds, 0 AST,

Kendry biggest pussy and ugly in the league

G.Money

^^^Troll Man - Dude...why don't you just post your comments as "7 faces of SILVELA"^^^^


You mentioned that before and I still can't figure out what it means. When I google it I get the 7 faces of Lao. Do I even want to know what it means?

After watching the Thunder v Memphis game tonight, I'm convinced either one of these teams would have destroyed the Lakers anyway.

On another note, if the Thunder go on to lose this series, and they just might, then they will join the ranks for the Lakers, San Antonio, and the Celtics as teams that were favored to win it all, but lost prematurely. It's been quite a playoffs for the underdog.

JACINTO @ ... Tienes razón en que me fui a llamar a Pau hasta el cáncer. Como el esposo de una sobreviviente de cáncer dos veces, que no fue un golpe justo. Tengo que reconocer que ahora mismo no estoy en ninguna condición para juzgar objetivamente Pau Gasol. Me siento como el hombre acaba de apuñaló a la nación entera Lakers en la espalda. Si alguna vez se juega en un equipo de baloncesto y comprendido la sinergia que se da cuando los equipos de jugar a la defensiva gran equipo o un delito, entonces usted sabe cuán devastador puede ser de una pieza importante de su equipo que no sólo aparecen. De todos modos, es sólo un juego y su crítica era justa. A diferencia de algunos odian a Pau que puede ser feliz el hombre se atragantó, esperaba todas mis preocupaciones se equivocaron y me gustaría comer cuervo. En este punto, creo que Pau tiene que ir pero si la oficina opta por mantenerlo o ir en otra dirección, voy a apoyar su decisión y ánimo para él y los Lakers. Esto es cierto incluso si eligen el comercio Andrew Bynum, que estoy seguro de que van a hacer. Yo era un fan de los Lakers antes de Magia y será después de Kobe.
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TOM

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Tom let me tell you that you are a gentleman.
I present my respects to you.
It is not easy to find someone who makes a mistake in a moment of anger and
later to recognize the way you have done.
Again, my respect for you.

P. S. Oklahoma vs Memphis really fun for fans of basketball.

I love Memphis' game! They showed up! All of them!

I'd love to see Memphis (2nd choice=Mavs) vs Hawks in Finals, but..........

Sure is nice to have both bangers on the boards AND reliable 3pt shooters! Come on MK, do your job and get us some.

Marc Gasol with 26 points and 20 rebounds.

Thanks again, Mitch.

@ Troy
For the first time I agree with you.
These two teams are very hungry.

Third overtime.
If the Lakers play three overtimes in playoff, below more than three of our players would need oxygen after the game.

The Lakers outdid themselves again... folding on a close out situation without even trying... what an epic failure and embarrassment. Now, I found myself appreciating the effort, heart, and hard-work of these two teams -- the Thunder and Grizzlies. WHAT A BATTLE!!!

Jon K your beloved Derek sucked in the Dallas series. He needs to be banished to the glue factory and you can visit him there.

Unfortunately, you are correct. Every athlete knows the embarrassment that comes with a blow out loss, but that does not entitle the athlete to take his/her frustrations out on the opposing athletes. One subject I think you failed to address though, Pau Gasol. There was something horribly wrong with his game throughout the series. He is an all-star caliber player and played like a high school JV team bench player.http://bit.ly/j1rhut

I'm in favor of moving to a different direction than those the triangle offense that is no longer effective as players became more athletic and faster. Which mean Brian Shaw should not be the one to replace PJ as a head coach of the Lakers. This Lakers needs a discipline & defensive mind coach like Jerry Sloan and not an unproven assistant coach like Brian Shaw despite Kobe's endorsement.

And I hope Brown would not exercise their option and become a free agent this summer. Barnes was playing well before his knee injury and at $1.72M, he's a bargain compare to $5.5M we paid Luke the Puke for the past 3 years for his abysmal performance.

Despite Bynum's last play, I would rather have the player that has a strong desire to win and hate to loose on our team than the more skills players but has the nuts the size of the sweet pea!!! You can teach the skills to the strong will player!

I expect DFish to announce his retirement this summer, he knows it's time for him to retire since he was the main contribution to the porous defense of our team this year. As I said earlier, it's difficult to see him chasing CP3 & Barrea with little success in the playoff. DFish always a proud player and he knows that it's the noble act for him to let it go and allowing the Lakers to find a new PG.

I'm out. Have a great summer everyone. We had our run in the past three years and we should be proud of what this team had accomplished!!!

MrNano

I always thought the elusive and mystical membership of the 27 would mean different things to different people. Some thoughts....

1. A badge of honor
2. Having keen insight to the true meaning of phrase
3. Having a good sense of humor
4. Not having such a good sense of humor
5. A stand against wolves wrapped in sheep's clothing
6. A cool club to be a member of

I really thought the 27 club would become an instant cult classic but I handled it poorly because I was in a rage at the time of it's creation and went overboard (in the moderators opinion) on my retaliatory attacks on certain bloggers. Sadly 27 bwrtb was banned. But it struck a nerve with some and gave a good laugh to others, what more can you ask for?

I believe I started posting in 2007, "You Ever Notice" was probably my first main handle but I'm not sure.

My imagination is just me trying not to bore myself. It's just using different formats to make a point. I credit other bloggers for their diverse presentations.

I have a mundane job that pays the bills, nothing special or exciting.

I don't have a lot of time, but the wife is understanding, to a point.

Okay the Lakers are done, but the playoffs are just too exciting to stop watching.

Lebron was very clutch tonight and Bosh had a good bounce back game. And PP did his thing as usual. Boston got beat up on the boards. Yep, me still think they miss Perk.

OKC-Memphis 3 OTs. Memphis just didn't have enough firepower once Conley and Mayo fouled out. Although Vasquez hit some big shots off the bench. Z-Bo ran out of gas and missed a lot of bunnies in the OT's.

Next Year's Starter: "Laker's Big 5"

Center: Dwight Howard
Power Forward: Andrew Bynum
Small Forward: Blake Griffin
Shooting Guard: Kobe Bryant
Point Guard: Chris Paul

OR,

Center: Dwight Howard
Power Forward: Andrew Bynum
Small Forward: Kevin Love
Shooting Guard: Kobe Bryant
Point Guard: Chris Paul

MrNano

^^^BTW were you Kwaminus Brownicus???^^^

No, but wasn't that handle hilarious?

he was Michael T's alter ego right?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Kwaminus Brownicus the Catherine Zeta Jones of Calves
Kwaminus I can teach you, but I have to charge Brownicus
Kwaminus as Anne Hathaway in the Center Wears Prada Brownicus
Kwaminus The best moves on the court don't always belong to the players Brownicas

Practice Season Police

)))))))Now on to a more pertinent question: are you also The Bulimic 1/2 Empty Glass? Great handle that was.(((((((

No

but with a name like that you knew it would be a classic with great takes.
And whoever that is didn't disappoint.

Next Year's Starter: "Laker's Big 5"

Center: Dwight Howard
Power Forward: Andrew Bynum
Small Forward: Blake Griffin
Shooting Guard: Kobe Bryant
Point Guard: Chris Paul

OR,

Center: Dwight Howard
Power Forward: Andrew Bynum
Small Forward: Kevin Love
Shooting Guard: Kobe Bryant
Point Guard: Chris Paul


Note: Trade Kobe for Derrick Rose

Get Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, & Kevin Love

Keep Bynum

Trade Kobe for Derrick Rose

MM

Those unedited posts you asked me to clean up are still up on the previous thread at 7:02 and 7:10.
Please delete

Get Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, & Kevin Love

Keep Bynum

Trade Kobe for Derrick Rose

If we keep Kobe Bryant we should also keep Lamar Odom simply because he is the poor man's Scootie Pippen

We should also go after Kevin Durant & Blake Girffin within next 2 or 3 years.

Bench Ron Artest (he is not a starter/ we may not need to trade him), he is good where he is BENCH.... he would make the bench a lot powerful, he is simply not a starter. Also, we got him very cheap.

Get Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, & Kevin Love

Keep Bynum

Trade Kobe for Derrick Rose

If we keep Kobe Bryant we should also keep Lamar Odom simply because he is the poor man's Scootie Pippen

We should also go after Kevin Durant & Blake Girffin within next 2 or 3 years.

Bench Ron Artest (he is not a starter/ we may not need to trade him), he is good where he is BENCH.... he would make the bench a lot powerful, he is simply not a starter. Also, we got him very cheap.

LRob, Just think if Pout played like his brother this playoffs. The Lakers would be the ones awaiting the outcome of the OKC-MEMPHIS Series.

With that said, I'm enjoying this series and rooting for Russell Westbrook (UCLA). Harden is also an LA native.

Did you also notice how much Rudy Gay resembles Roger from What's Happening when he wears those glasses. LOL

As for the Keltics, 131-92 was SOOOOOOO quick to point out that they're still playing. Calling us fakers, etc. Until he made that comment I was rooting (as bitter a taste as it puts in my mouth to say this) for the Keltics in this series, but NOT ANY MORE! The Meatles will have a tough time with Chicago, OKC and even Memphis. I'll take my chances and so LET THE KELTICS FALL!

The DALLAS SOWBACKS will NOT win against either OKC or Memphis.

I'M NOT AN EXPERT.

HOWEVER, I DID STAY AT A HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS...

LRob
thanks

I forgot to mention that Sister Mary Elephant was of course, a Cheech and Chong classic.
I would imagine some of the younger bloggers in here would be thinking WTF? Sister Mary Elephant? who's that? Why's that funny?

MM

you got the 7:02 post

but not the 7:10 post

but you deleted the 7:35 p0st that was edited and approved lol

Sorry, but you probably should delete the 7:10 post, it's the one with all the names in the handle


Im not embarrased! Its not the blog that doesnt have class ... Its your team!!

Posted by: 131-92 | May 09, 2011 at 09:53 PM

________________
That hurts

Tri,

Yep, if Pau would've showed up the Lakers would still be playing...but they couldn't captured the ultimate prize without better play from everybody.

That LA connection is explosive for OKC. No one can keep Westbrook out of the paint and Harden has really improved and is playing with confidence.

131 knew Boston days were numbered. I figured he just wanted to get in a few digs before they were read their last rites. I don't care who wins as long as its not Boston or Miami.

Troll Man,

I didn't know that one by Cheech and Chong. I did know Basketball Jones, Earache, Santa Claus and some of their other stuff but Sister Mary slipped by me.

PS...here's my one piece of Chong trivia...I believe he co-wrote the hit "Does Your Mama Know About Me" when he was a member of Bobby Taylor and the Vancouvers.

Class! Class! Shutttttttt Uppppppp!

The Triangulator

don't forget...

thank you

LRob

best link I could get. just press play arrow in the lower left .

track 1 Big Bambu and track 2 Sargent Stadanko are classics.

http://new.music.yahoo.com/cheech-chong/tracks/sister-mary-elephant--319804

LRob correction

Sister Mary Elephant is from the album Big Bambu

Sargent Stadanko is from the album Los Cochinos

1) Get rid of Luke Walton.(Pleeeeeeeeeaaaase!)
2) Trade Pau for DHoward. .
3)Trade Steve Blake and give Trey Johnson a chance.
4)Trade Ron Artest and give Ebanks the chance.(He can play if given d chance)
5) Let Smith,Ratliff go and give character the chance.
6) Convince DFisher to retire and be 1 of our asst. coaches.
7) Look for a reliable shooter.....(we lack outside shooter)

I hope Shannon Brown ops out and becomes a free agent. He is athletic but has nothing else. I can't believe I'm saying this, but Farmar/Sasha were better for the team than him. I can't believe I'm also saying this, but Farmar/Sasha was a better bench than Blake/Barnes/Brown in the playoffs. Hustle/Defense/3pt shooting.

Gasol needs to stop reading his own press and realize that all he's accomplished is due to playing with Kobe. Kobe is still the man on the Lakers.

Everyone on the Lakers needs to know their role and realize that other teams still gear up to stop Kobe, not them. As soon as this is re-established, everyone will stop crying for "touches" and just play.

Phil's been outcoached each time the Lakers lost to the Pistons/Celtics and now Mavs. He lost his so called "zen" during those series. Don't play it cool during the seasons only to lose it during the playoffs. That's not "Zen".

Lastly, the new coach needs to realize that this is the playoffs. Play your star players 40+ minutes. It was sickening to see our starters playing only 35-38 minutes when we're down 2-0.

Listen people the Priest has been right in all of his predictions. Even though Medina tries to censor my comments. I know basketball and is extremely intelligent. I have more insight than the media definitely.
1) The Priest predicted that LA will not win the chip this year
2) The Priest predicted that the team has chemistry issues due to Kobe
3) The Priest predicted that the Heat would beat the Cs from the regular season in the midst of their struggles
4) The Priest said who the perfect coach for the Lakers would be and that is Doc Rivers

As you can see folks Dr. Buss reads my comments and that governs his decisions. I like Shaw he seems like a nice guy but I don't like him as LA's next coach. Doc would be perfect as a strong no nonsense coach who can develop young players, teaches stifling defense and can definitely say no to Kobe. Doc prefers team ball to hero ball which Kobe practises. I know Boston will go down hard but it is because LBJ and DWADE are overwhelming.

Not having Shaw as a coach is great news for Fisher and Walton critics. He already said if he was hired then he will coninue with the triangle. And therefore we will still have Fisher as the starting pg. People are saying to blow up the team and get DHoward and CP3, Hulk Hogan and Pacman? Rubbish. There is nothing wrong with this team that a strong coach and a concentration on dscipline would not solve. I already stated why I thing Glenn Rivers would be the ideal candidate. But next season Mitch Kupkake must implement discpline for the players from Kobe on down. The meltdown that we witnessed happened because Kobe as fantastic as he was was more powerful than the coach. He decided not to get an MRI when the team wanted him to get one. Kobe stated earlier in the season that he would check himself back in the game if things were not going right. Kobe went against the coaches wishes by firing bricks from the outside when the coaches including Shaw wanted him to get the ball inside. I can go on and on but yall get the picture. I pointed this out and I was viciously attacked by the Kobe supporters. Kobe is a great player but poor coach and GM. AS for GM Kupkake he must tell Ron no rapping during the regular season. LO no reality show and hawking fragrances during the season as well. Barmes no stupid looking haircuts. Fisher bench or another team.

LRob,

Agree about the playoffs, some good series going on. The Grizz had OKC on the ropes in the first half but couldn't hold them off. Still hoping the Grizz pull out the win over the Celtic infested Thunder.

Celts-Heat was fun to watch too, good game. The best thing about watching those two play is when the game is over I'm happy cause one of them lost. Looks like the Celts will be on vaca soon enough so if the Heat can get knocked out in the ECF I would be good with that, but I think the Heat look like the best in the east so far.

I felt sick yesterday.

I felt better today.

I look forward to change.

Let the change begin...

Players on this team have had bad playoff games before and had the chance to redeem themselves...Pau deserves his chance.

Nobody is going to take on the contracts of:
1. Pau 19 mil and his disappearing act for 3 more years
2. Ron 7.7 mil for 3 more years (Yikes!)
3. Andy the butcher 16 mil for 2 more years
4. DFish 3.4 mil for 2 more years (Double Yikes!!)
5. Blake 4 mil for 3 more years
and ......6. Kobe Bean 24, 25 and 30 mil for the next 3 years! That is going to be one washed up old ball hog making 30 mil a year at age 36

Deal with it the Lakers are stuck with these guys..............for a long time

Also, if Lakers somehow got D Howard who would he throw the ball to?

None of the Lakers under contract are reliable 3 point shooters; he had terrific 3 point shooters in Orlando and even though he played like a monster the team couldn't get out of the first round.

This will be an interesting offseason. Yes, the Lakers came apart in the playoffs. But the core of this team is still pretty damn good. And most of the guys the Lakers have some issue hanging over their head, which may lower thier trade value. In other words, the core players will be worth more to LA than they would be in trade.


Pau Gasol? A schockingly bad playoff run. But in his 3 1/2 years here this stretch was very out of character. If you try to peddle him, can you get equal value, or do you assume he can bounce back next year?


Andrew Bynum? Potential building block for the future. And potential patient at Kerlan Jobe. If you decide to dangle Bynum out there, can you get someone of simliar impact? Chris Paul? Dwight Howard? If not, why trade him. And who will play center?


Kobe Bryant? Age has started to catch up with him, as have constant injuries. But Kobe could not be traded for another player of his impact. He is a Laker for the foreseeable future.


LO? Who wants to pay that much for a guy who should be first tier but is really a role player?


The thing is, these guys are still a solid core. But I wonder what they would bring in a trade. Maybe, if the Lakers go all Magic on us and "blow up the team" they can get a great player for one or two of these guys. But maybe not. And, if I was the new coach, these are the four guys I would want back. This is still a championship core.


What needs to be changed is the supporting cast. Which, with some of the long-term deals and cap issues, is equally difficult to deal with. But in a dream world, you would keep Kobe and the bigs and try to add quickness and perimiter shooting around them. With Artest and Fisher the Lakers are just too slow on the perimiter. The outside shoting fromRon and guards not named Kobe is horrible. And Ron is real problem in running ANY offense.


Ideally the Lakers have to improve the starting SF and SG spots and have a shooter on the bench. Keep Kobe. Keep the length inside. And build around it. Easier said than done. but that is the way to go.

Grades and Trades:

Kobe - B - This season was by far his wort season as a Laker since his rookie year. He looked slow, apathetic and looked more like a garden snake than a Mamba. You can't trade Kobe, but would he take a pay cut if we don't win the next couple years?

Gasol - D - The first part of the regular season aside, Gasol disappeared down the stretch and was horrible in the playoffs. He still is one of the best bigs in the game and you're not going to find many PF's who can play C, shoot inside/out and defend like Pau can when he's engaged. Someone find the man a new woman and get him in the boxing ring this summer!

Bynum - B - Bynum was the best player in the Dallas series and it's a shame the Lakers never realized this and got him more touches. He was dominating Chandler on offense. Unfortunately, he forgot how to play defense and that amazing streak after the all-star break was set in motion by Bynum's D. You don't trade Bynum unless it's for D Howard and someone not named Pau or LO

Artest - D - Where did the man who almost single handedly beat us in Houston go? Where did one of the best defensive players to play the game run off to? He got his ring and he was happy. I'd love to move him but good luck finding a taker. Bet you wish we still had Trevor Ariza now...

Fish - C - D Fish will always be a legend in our hearts. It's now embarrassing as a fan to watch him get punked every time by a quicker guard. It's time to go. Retire, grab yourself a seat on the bench, and become a legendary coach.

LO - A - Lamar was the lone bright spot on this team all season. He played consistent basketball despite playing for USA which turns out probably helped him. Having LO come off the bench is a huge asset for us and a big mismatch for anyone he plays against.

Brown/Blake/Barnes - F - Did not show up when it counted. I'l'l cut Barnes some slack because he was injured, but Blake and Brown were horrific.

Phil Jackson - C - Phil coasted just like the players. When we lost, he displayed the same arrogance as the team and it came back to bite us. We are the Lakers, but we are not invincible. He was outcoached by Rick against Dallas and probably should have rode off last season. That being said, nothing can tarnish all he has done for the team. We will always love you.

Mitch Kupchak - D - Everyone in the world knew the Lakers needed to make a move before the trade deadline. Looks like the arrogance started even higher up than PJ. Mitch has a lot of work to do this summer and it's not going to be easy.

Good news everyone!

Now that the Lakers are out we can give our undivided attention to Lamar's farts on "Khloe and Lamar"!

Sorry...couldn't help myself.

I realize that most of you are just poking fun at the rest of us with your trade proposals, but just in case you're actually serious... please put some thought into what you propose.

The most ridiculous trade proposal involves any with Kobe. He's not tradeable. At all. If you could manage to trade him somewhere he'd be willing to go (since he has to approve of the trade), the Lakers would not be getting much back. Further, if the other team were willing to do the trade, Kobe wouldn't want to go there... and most teams would never make a deal because it would disrupt their roster. For example, Miami would never trade Wade or LeBron for Kobe straight up. The Celtics would never trade Garnett straight up. The Mavs would never trade Nowitzki straight up. The Thunder would never trade Durant straight up. The Bulls would never trade Rose straight up.

This isn't just true if you're dangling Kobe; it would be true (almost) if you dangled any of those stars for any of the other stars (the only difference is you might be able to get someone to bite if you dangled LeBronze).

The only sort of players you could get for Kobe straight up would be someone like Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony, Deron Williams - good players, solid players, but not the same sort of "all time" sort of category type of player. And of this list, Paul would only be available because he's disgruntled, AND Kobe would never agree to go to any of those teams at this stage of his career. So it's moot. Let's move on.

I don't mind the fantasy trades, but at least make it somewhat reasonable.

To get an upcoming young and talented star, you're going to have give up MORE than you're getting back to make up for the longevity factor. You can't just trade Lamar Odom for Kevin Love straight up. You're going to have to throw in Gasol or Bynum, and once you do that, it's obvious that you're getting ripped off.

So, unless the player you're looking to acquire is disgruntled or has a contract coming up, prepare to pay a heavy price that would likely make the team worse.

Ron Artest IS tradeable. He only makes 7.7. The thing is, veteran players tend to have higher value on teams looking to get over the top (contending teams) or super young teams lacking any sort of veteran leadership. Or, again you can look to disgruntled players as a source of trade: because now you have a factor that causes the other team to get less value for THEIR star due to the fear of him walking away.

Mark,

Good list, although you could probably combine #2 & 4 and add a new #5 -- Can the core of this group play together? Can they make it work?

I think I am most concerned about how Bynum and Gasol co-exist on the court. I read a lot the last few days about how the two of them are struggling to mesh their games. Would an end to the triangle improve that problem? And, how would Dwight Howard make it any easier for one or the other? I have a hard time seeing Howard or Bynum at the 4, trying to chase Nowitzki.

Thanks for your hard work!

I just returned from a one-week trip to NYC and BOS. I can't say much for my timing. Chumped by the team I love is a tough pill to swallow. Losing a series of games while being competitive is hard enough, losing a series by being whatever the hell the Lakers were is insulting. Lucy has a lot of 'splainin' to do.

Damn

Phil's been outcoached each time the Lakers lost to the Pistons/Celtics and now Mavs. He lost his so called "zen" during those series. Don't play it cool during the seasons only to lose it during the playoffs. That's not "Zen".

Lastly, the new coach needs to realize that this is the playoffs. Play your star players 40+ minutes. It was sickening to see our starters playing only 35-38 minutes when we're down 2-0.

Posted by: MarkMadsen | May 10, 2011 at 01:45 AM

Yes and some people got realize they are clueless about bbal

@Troll Man – thank for C/C link.

@Art – yep, I’m always happy when either Bos or Miami lose…but unfortunately right now that means the other one wins. Miami is definitely strong favorite to come out of the east. It looks like that was my best prediction.

@LA - good thought into your grades...but how can LO get an A...after that poor playoff showing?

@Tim-4-show - I agree with you on trades. If you're going to propose them at least make them a win/win.

KOBE SHOULD CUT HIS SALARY TO MORE THAN HALF SO THAT WE CAN HAVE OR HE CAN HAVE MORE QUALITY A LIST PLAYERS ALONG WITH HIM TO HELP HIM WIN MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS AT LEAST 5 MORE YEARS.

Let's get Dwight Howard, CP3, Kevin Love for Pau Gasol, Bynum (if needed be), and Odom (if needed be)

trade everyone!!!!!

Next two years, focus on getting Blake Griffin and Kevin Durant!!!

Good morning all!

Thankfully, more time has passed since the Mother’s Day Massacre (with four part harmony, full orchestration and things like that). It is over.

Exit interviews start:

Kobe – You had a pretty great season with many incredible, memorable moments. Unfortunately, it all fizzled in the end. Your body gave out on you. Please see some specialists for the finger, knee and ankle. Please get a lot of rest and give things time to heal. We are going to pick up a point guard who can score, and a shooting guard who can hit a 3, and reduce your minutes next season so you will be fresh in June.

Derek – You were a warrior and fought valiantly through a tough season. There were highs and lows, but it has become obvious that this is a young man’s game and you play a young man’s position. We need your veteran leadership on the team, but we are looking for a younger, faster point guard to start. How would you like a job as an assistant coach?

Ron – You didn’t have a great year. You seemed distracted and didn’t show up for a lot of games. Your defense was good for most of the year, but your offense was offensive. You lost a lot of weight and worked out but still couldn’t jump high enough to stuff it in one of the most embarrassing moments of an incredibly embarrassing final game. If you are still a Laker, you probably won’t start next year.

Pau – You started the year looking like an MVP candidate. You ended it looking like a candidate to go see Ron’s therapist. You were booed off the court in what may have been your last game in LA as a Laker. Thank you for three great years. We are looking to get tougher.

Drew – When you played defense and got all the rebounds, we were unbeatable. When you stopped doing that, we were incredibly beatable. We were beat into the ground. You had a role. You did it well. We were 17-1. You stopped doing it. We got killed. Team unity and chemistry fell apart. Your comments in the media contributed to this. We need the grown-up Drew next year - the “future of the Lakers” Drew. Part of this role is helping create team unity – making the players around you better.

Lamar – You have to lose the TV show next year and focus. You had a great year. You won the award you should have received every year you came off the bench. Get ready to play power forward because we are shipping Pau.

Steve – You were a disappointment. You will probably get traded.

Shannon – Things haven’t worked out. Don’t expect to be here next year.

Matt – Keep getting healthier. We like your spirit and energy.

Luke – Please retire.

Joe – See ya.

Theo – Bye, bye.

Ebanks – Get ready to play.

Caracter – Work out with Ebanks.

Trey – We are going to give you a chance next year.

PJ – Thanks you so much for all you have done for this organization. You are the greatest coach off all time. We are sorry that we couldn’t have sent you off in a more dignified fashion. Your hands were on the reins though, so it is what it is. Good luck. Don’t talk bad about us in your book!

Mitch – You are fired.

Someone else mentioned this and it made me think. Jerry West was against having two centers on the floor together. Jerry knows a little about basketball. It is an experiment that never really got tried because of injury. This year, it got tried. It only really worked when Bynum was content to play D, block shots, and get rebounds and Pau was an aggressive scorer. Even then, we got beat by Miami. Once Bynum started wanting the ball, the whole thing came apart. Why shouldn’t he want the ball? He was shooting well. Unfortunately, it is a team game and the pieces have to fit together. Pau is a center. When we won the two championships, Pau was playing center. He went against Dwight Howard and won. Bynum played limited minutes in both of our championship playoff runs. I think we need to trade Pau and get a small forward who can hit a three and a point guard. We then have New Point Guard, Kobe, New Small Forward, Lamar, and Drew. We will also need a dependable center to back-up Drew. We will have Caracter, Barnes and Ebanks off the bench. Trey was the second leading scorer in the D league and shot close to 50%. We can give him a chance as a backup guard. We will be young and we can run again when our bench comes in. I would like to see another player who is a true shooter come off the bench and drain some threes for us.

We need Sloan. He will come back to coach Kobe and the Lakers. Sloan’s teams play tough D and they don’t quit. We need someone Kobe will respect (do what he says). I don’t think he will respect Shaw, or Rambis. They don’t have enough clout. He may respect Scott. Scott didn’t have a good year – other than beating us. Adelman was just fired. Kobe always beat his teams. I don’t think Larry Brown would work out. He beat Kobe in the finals, so Kobe would have to respect that. Larry has a tough time keeping a job. Doc is a Celtic. Krzyzewski doesn’t want to leave his job. We need Sloan.

Good times… Bad times… I am a Lakerholic.

Folks calling for Mitch's head should remember that he was acquiring players to fit into the established system, and he was working around some large and/or guaranteed contracts. Yes, his FA class was a bust, but he basically made moves within the context of the Triangle.

I was all over Kupchak for his moves between 2004-07. But he helped rebuild this team and get LA 3 Finals appearances and 2 banners, around the acquisitions of Gasol, Ariza and Artest, *despite* being prevented from moving his most tradeable asset.

>>>Barnes was playing well before his knee injury and at $1.72M, he's a bargain
>>>compare to $5.5M we paid Luke the Puke for the past 3 years for his
>>>abysmal performance.

Luke's stats in the playoffs 2008-2010:
13.4 minutes per game
43% shooting
35% 3-point shooting,
3.8 points per game
2 rebounds per game
1.7 assists per game

Not great numbers. He was actually decent in the 2008 playoffs and got worse in 2009 and worse again in 2010.

Barnes stats from the 2011 playoffs (Luke barely played):
13.1 minutes per game
40% shooting
17% 3-point shooting
3.6 points per game.
2.8 rebounds per game
0.5 assists per game

So basically, Barnes played about the same number of minutes as Luke's 3-year average, scored about the same number of points per game, but took a lot more shots to do it, got 1 more rebound and 1 less assist.

Oh yeah I forgot:

Lakers with Luke: 3 finals appearances, 2 championships

Lakers with Barnes: second round exit

Barnes played pretty well early in the year for the Lakers, but he gave them very little in the playoffs... less than "Luke the Puke" did on average. But Luke's stats were much better in 2008 & 2009 than in 2010.

Yes, Barnes is more of a bargain than Luke. But Luke has produced more for the Lakers than Barnes (particularly in the 2008 and 2009 playoffs)

>>>Mitch – You are fired.

Congratulations. You just fired the ONLY GM IN THE NBA to put together a team that won back-to-back championships in this century.

I'm sure you'd be hiring Isaiah Thomas to replace him.

Thank goodness you have no say in who actually gets hired or fired.

Peace,

>>>I was all over Kupchak for his moves between 2004-07.

Hard times for him - they were saddled with a huge contract from a player who didn't play (Brian Grant - $14 million per for almost zero production). That meant he had no cap space.

Actually, the Derek Fisher situation is kinda like the Luke situation, but played the other way. The Lakers didn't want to pay Derek (an average player who had performed well for them), so they let him walk... and ended up with even WORSE PGs because they had no money to spend.

If the Lakers had paid DFish his MLE level money, they would have been spending more, but they probably would have stayed in the playoffs for 2005, and would have gotten out of the first round in 2006 or 2007 or both.

On the flip side of that, them losing in 2005 got them the lottery pick that got them Bynum. Sometimes it's better to tank just a little bit.

>>> But he helped rebuild this team and get LA 3 Finals appearances and 2
>>>banners, around the acquisitions of Gasol, Ariza and Artest

And don't forget Shannon Brown, Jordan Farmar, and Sasha Vujacic. Shannon played REALLY well in the 2009 playoffs (48% 3-point shooting!), and Sasha and Jordan were reliable role players on all 3 finals teams. You see the difference this year without them.

>>>KOBE SHOULD CUT HIS SALARY TO blah blah blah

HEY!

MARY CHANDLER!!!

STOP SHOUTING!!!!!!!

Kobe can't cut his salary. Learn the rules of the CBA, then come back and post more reasonable suggestions (that are actually possible).

Tim-4-Show,

>>>The only sort of players you could get for Kobe straight up would be
>>>someone like Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony, Deron Williams - good players,
>>>solid p....

uhhhh, no.

You couldn't get any of those three players for Kobe. Although Kobe's legacy is greater than any of those players will be, all three of those players will produce for longer at a higher level than Kobe.

Teams don't trade for what a player has done in the past - they trade for what they think that player can do for them in the future.

>>>You can't trade Kobe, but would he take a pay cut if we don't win the next
>>>couple years?

Does nobody actually understand the CBA? You CAN NOT take a pay cut. You agree to a contract. You sign it. It's done. The team has to pay you that much money (unless there is an opt out, which there isn't on Kobe's contract), and that full amount counts against the salary cap whether you play or not.

mark madsen, i totally agree with you! looking how the season ended for L.A., the Lakers became the "gang that couldn't shoot straight!" L.A. was getting all of the looks it wanted, just couldn't knock them down! artest, blake, brown were the biggest culprits. somehow, i think jordan and "the machine" vujacich would have buried those "looks" that L.A.'s bench were bricking up. the only bench person i would keep would be barnes. he was playing very well before the injury. blake, gone. brown, gone, ratliff, gone, walton, gone. joe "we hardly knew you" smith, gone. keep ebanks and the other starting 6. dfish, have to have him, BUT, not as a starter but as a bench player! gasol should be ok, maybe he can tell his side of the story on the "nate berkus show!" ha ha, just kidding. maybe since their not the defending champs anymore, it'll make them hungrier in the 2011-2012 season.....if there is a season!

I am kind of shocked that you guys think Mamba is done.

I think Kobe had couple things going against him. I saw a similar Kobe in 04 Finals. After 3 Long Years (4 including this year)... Kobe got worn out.. plus injuries and the cast got sick of him getting all credit.

After rest and some medical attention Kobe will be back.
1. He should quit on his 3 pt shot
2. Even in blow out game no one could stop his mid range jumper
3. He has 4000 more moves than Bynum's 2 moves in the post
4. He is still only 32 .. rest and springs will be back.. more driving to basket

Kobe still strikes fear into teams which you cannot say about Howard, CP3, Rose, or even Lebron. Only Wade has proven he can be as good as kobe in playoffs. I would take get a good cast like something:

Good Coach like Doc Rivers

- Get Rid of Lamar & Bynum .. bad attitudes
- Fish to bench
- bring in CP3 if u can
- Howard if u have any money left
- Free Agents who can be good role players
- like Eddie Houses, Posey

Kobe is now a good leader. You can see it.

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Hard times for him - they were saddled with a huge contract from a player who didn't play (Brian Grant - $14 million per for almost zero production). That meant he had no cap space.
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That contract was the result of a fire sale trade of their then-franchise player. But they did get Odom and Caron Butler as a result of that trade (and the later trade of Butler for Kwame Brown was a stinker of a trade itself).

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Actually, the Derek Fisher situation is kinda like the Luke situation, but played the other way. The Lakers didn't want to pay Derek (an average player who had performed well for them), so they let him walk... and ended up with even WORSE PGs because they had no money to spend.

If the Lakers had paid DFish his MLE level money, they would have been spending more, but they probably would have stayed in the playoffs for 2005, and would have gotten out of the first round in 2006 or 2007 or both.
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Good point, they should not have let go of Fish at that point. He was vital to their subsequent run and I swore I would ride or die with the "initiator" I call D-Laker. And so I have.

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On the flip side of that, them losing in 2005 got them the lottery pick that got them Bynum. Sometimes it's better to tank just a little bit.
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Very frustrating season, that one. Even that reconstituted team had the talent to eke into the playoffs.

Some interesting interesting final thoughts on the Series. I agree with these guys Kobe can never become MJ now but do not agree that the 2011 Lakers are the 1991 Pistons.

http://chasing23.com/phil-jacksons-last-dance/


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