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Lakers discuss Game 6 victory over New Orleans Hornets

 

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MVP888,

Thats true of course, but the Lakers could have beaten a team like the Hornets even if all 7 games were in NO.
Let's see how the Finals goes first.

Posted by: Art | April 29, 2011 at 07:46 AM
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I believe that the Lakers are 13-13 in their last 26 playoff road games, an off the hook phenomenal record. They have now one at least 1 road game in each of their last 9 playoffs series, 12 out of their last 13 (the exception being the 2008 NBA Finals). They have also closed out on the road in 6 consecutive playoff series which had road close out games. They were also an exceptional road team this most recent practice season.

Are you still skeptical?

Kidd can pass; in his prime he was far better than Nash, but his weakness has been that outside shot... so how damaging is a Kidd PnR vs. what we just went through?

I definitely think Dirk will win Dallas a game or possibly two (not that I'm saying the series only goes 5 or 6, just that Dirk himself will win them a game)

MVP - The Spurs are done! They won't survive the Grizz. I never bought into their regular season hype. So the question that begs to be answered is....

Did Pop do a great job in getting this squad to win 60+ games in the regular season? Or did Pop do a poor job in not getting this team ready for the playoffs?

I say the latter. He should've played Splitter a lot more in the regular season to get him ready for the "real season" because there's no way they could go far without more size on the court. Having said that he's still a great coach, but didn't do a very good job this season imho. They haven't recovered from giving away Scola!

Posted by: LRob | April 29, 2011 at 08:00 AM
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Or was he simply in a lose-lose situation? Strong analysis, LRob!

CP3 on DFish and Lakers defense...


"A lot of credit goes to Derek Fisher. I told him after the game what unbelievable defense he played for the series. The way he was pressuring. It's tough playing against the Lakers because DFish gets up into you and if you drive by him you got the Twin Towers waiting on you. They use their length to their advantage. DFish was in my pocket all night long.

Posted by: LRob | April 29, 2011 at 08:08 AM
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RE-POST!

Practice round over, real round now, right?

Posted by: Magia32 | April 29, 2011 at 09:33 AM
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You might say that. Here's how Bill Plaschke put it:

"But as sparring partners, the Hornets were consistently spectacular, having awakened a Lakers physical intensity that could fuel them until June."

@LAKERSFANIN EXILE .... Even though Kobe is the unquestioned leader of this team and his dunks in Game 5 were the turning point of the series, I still give Andrew Bynum the nod as the MVP for his team-high EFF rating of 20.67 per game and 32.09 per 48 minutes (#14 among all playoff players).
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@TODD ... Indeed, the way he has been playing, Andrew Bynum could possibly win or share Finals MVP honors with Kobe. Do you trade the Finals MVP for Dwight Howard? Do you break up back-to-back-to-back NBA champions? Only if you are playing fantasy basketball. Not in the NBA.
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@JON K ... Drew is averaging 15 points, 10 boards, and 2 blocks per game so far in the playoffs. It is such a pleasure watching his million watt smile as he finally gets the chance to show what he can do to help the team win. This team has not even come close to their potential yet. Much more to come.
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@MUD ... “Andrew was awesome. no, he wasn't MVP. the MVP is the one that got everyone on track with a huge effort including a dunk that took all the wind out of NOLA's sails.” Let me ask you one key question: How did we win this series? The answer is defense. That’s why Drew was MVP
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@C RIVER ... If bloggers can constantly disrespect and fail to appreciate Drew and his contribution to this team with ridiculous talk about trading him for Dwight Howard in a year and a half, I think I’m entitled to think ahead a month or two to the NBA Finals. Lucky Howard is fishing so he won’t get embarrassed again and have his shot blocked twice in another head-to-head matchup with Drew.
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@JEFE101 ... AB is definitely the difference maker, Greg. And if defense is what wins championships, then Andrew Bynum deserves to be considered as an MVP candidate in every series, even the NBA Finals. And you are dead right that his presence transcends his stats, which in playoffs are team best.
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@LEWSTERS ... Great stats on Drew’s defense of Okafor. Even last night, when we played pretty damn good defense, the Hornets immediately made several layups every time Drew went out of the game. Loved your comment about Howard fishing. I find it ironic how the Drew for Dwight fools conveniently give Howard a pass for not being able to win in Orlando. Great response to frmkt.
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@KOBEMVP888 ... I posted a similar comment that the shot by Neal reminded me of the shot by Thomas that jump started the Suns recovery from the Lakers 3-1 lead in the 2006 playoffs. I hope the Grizzlies can get it together tonight and send the Spurs fishing. Their championship window is shut.
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@JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN ... Hopefully, Fish’s outstanding defense will shut up the haters for at least a few games. LOL. I’ve never been a CP3 fan and consider him a borderline dirty player but props for his compliments to Fish. That was a classy move after a sensational playoff series. I find it funny how some are surprised that Ron and Derek have stepped up their games in the playoffs.
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@FRMKT ... I hope you were just messing with us when you said adios. While I do find your trade Drew posts irritating, I have no doubt you are a die-hard Lakers fan and an intelligent poster who knows the game of basketball and always treats everyone with respect. Say it ain’t true, frmkt.
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TOM

Home record in the last 3 finals series: 7-2
Road record in the last 3 finals series: 3-6

They can certainly win without HCA but the math above tells me it's a lot harder to do so.

Posted by: Bay to LA | April 29, 2011 at 09:38 AM
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Is there a something about the fact that those numbers added up to 2 championships that you don't understand? CLASSIC GHE!!!!

If there was such a thing as an MVP award for each round of the series I'd give Bynum the Gold Metal of the first round.
I would give Silver Metals to Ron and Fish.
Kobe played well as usual, (as did others) but he needs to other guys to step it up for the Lakers to keep advancing.
They stepped it up good.

That's nice of Chris Paul to be gracious and give credit. Even Fisher's biggest haters don't knock his effort.

Chris Paul gave the Lakers defense fits this whole series. I think Fisher and every other Laker that was thrown up against Paul gave 100% effort in stopping him and just couldn't do it. The theory that young quick point guards are a problem for the Lakers is still in full effect. Fortunately for the Lakers, the theory that the Lakers size is too much for other teams also holds true.

Posted by: Bay to LA | April 29, 2011 at 10:16 AM
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If you are suggesting for one second that CP3 wasn't being sincere, then shame on you! Did your eyes not SEE Fisher's superlative defense? Chris Paul is the BEST point guard in the NBA and gives EVERYONE fits. So give Derek Fisher the credit he deserves. With the exception of Jason Kidd, there isn't a point guard in the NBA capable of defending CP3 as well as Fish because he's PHYSICAL with him.

Yes, as shocking as it might seem, this is still a big man's game, so advantage Lakers. Even with one of our bigs playing poorly for most of the series (Pau), it doesn't matter. The Lakers' opponents still have to expend a ton of energy guarding those talented bigs for 48 mpg. It wears them down in a 7 game series which we witnessed yet again.

I'm expecting a very competitive series. In my prediction post, I gave Dallas a slight edge because I have a sneaky feeling about them this year.

Posted by: Bay to LA | April 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM
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Typical. Is your real name Chuck by any chance?

The good news is Andrew Bynum is healthy and benches (Killer B's) are coming around, which the Lakers did not have even in their last two championhips playoffs run. I expect two "hungry" new comers (Blake and Barnes) will get better and better as the playoffs progress.

Are you still skeptical?
Posted by: KobeMVP888
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I'm guessing you are asking if I am skeptical if the Lakers can win the Finals even if they don't have HCA since that's what I was referring to.

Using only the Finals records as a guide, the odds are against them without HCA.
Can they beat the odds?
Of course it's possible that they can beat anyone, my heart has to go with the Lakers, my head is cautiously optimistic but uncertain.

Bottom line is I just want them to have the best chance of winning and having HCA gives them a better chance from an historical perspective.

Those of us who complained about the teams play which resulted in the Lakers not getting HCA were only looking at the historical and statistical truth that teams with HCA usually win the Finals.

I would love to see them beat the odds.


I'm guessing you are asking if I am skeptical if the Lakers can win the Finals even if they don't have HCA since that's what I was referring to.

Using only the Finals records as a guide, the odds are against them without HCA.
Can they beat the odds?
Of course it's possible that they can beat anyone, my heart has to go with the Lakers, my head is cautiously optimistic but uncertain.

Bottom line is I just want them to have the best chance of winning and having HCA gives them a better chance from an historical perspective.

Those of us who complained about the teams play which resulted in the Lakers not getting HCA were only looking at the historical and statistical truth that teams with HCA usually win the Finals.

I would love to see them beat the odds.


Posted by: Art | April 29, 2011 at 11:08 AM
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Not the historical perspective that I look at. As shocking as this might sound, I actually have faith in Phil Jackson in these situations. He didn't have HCA in 2 of his 3 three-peat seasons ('93 Bulls and '98 Bulls). He's batting 1.000 in these situations. In other words, with Coach Eleven Rings guiding us, the odds are actually in our favor.

I find it ironic how the Drew for Dwight fools conveniently give Howard a pass for not being able to win in Orlando. Great response to frmkt.
TOM
Posted by: LakerTom
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If you are going to continuing calling names and throwing insults at those who disagree with you then you should expect the same in return.
But I am not going to stoop to that level, no name calling from me.

I don't consider you a fool but you being critical of Howard because he can't win with his team he has in Orlando would be like criticizing Kobe because he couldn't win with the teammates he had in the mid 2000's.

It's simply not a relevant or fair comparison.

If Howard had the same supporting cast as Bynum has had, he would have his Rings.

Also, you wrote:

"Do you trade the Finals MVP for Dwight Howard? Do you break up back-to-back-to-back NBA champions? Only if you are playing fantasy basketball. Not in the NBA."

Umm, can we actually wait until Bynum is the Finals MVP before we crown him with the award?

As for breaking up a championship team, do you mean how the Lakers broke up their 2009 Championship Team by letting go one of their starting 5 (Ariza) for Artest.

And how did that work out?
Oh yeah, they won it again the next year.

@ frmkt- Great article on the previous thread about Bynum and I must have been the only one who did not already read it, have always liked that the Lakers had the vision to not trade Bynum.

Great win last night and hopefully the Lakers can continue to do what makes them almost unbeatable, pound the ball inside, play great defense, and when all else fails release the Black Mamba (for some reason I wanted to say Kraken).

MVP888,

While you are correct, twice is a very small sampling size as compared to the last 26 years of NBA Finals where the home team has won 75% of the time.

But no matter, it's kind of a moot point, you want the Lakers to win, I want the Lakers to win.

"Is there a something about the fact that those numbers added up to 2 championships that you don't understand? CLASSIC GHE!!!!

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | April 29, 2011 at 10:49 AM "

I just can't overlook the fact that their one loss came in the one series they didn't have HCA. HCA is overwhelmingly important in close matchups. In the Houston and Boston series, both teams were 2-1 on their home court going into the final game. Game 7 at home is HUGE!

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"If you are suggesting for one second that CP3 wasn't being sincere, then shame on you!
Posted by: KobeMVP888 | April 29, 2011 at 11:00 AM "

Not at all! Fisher gave 100% and played as well as he could have and Chris Paul was right for noticing that and giving credit. To give credit to the other side, Chris Paul gave them problems all series. Kobe was wanting to guard him after game 1. Phil threw just about everyone on the roster at him at one time or another.
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"Typical. Is your real name Chuck by any chance?


Posted by: KobeMVP888 | April 29, 2011 at 11:03 AM "

No, not a Chuck fan. I just have a weird feeling about this series.

"Not the historical perspective that I look at. As shocking as this might sound, I actually have faith in Phil Jackson in these situations. He didn't have HCA in 2 of his 3 three-peat seasons ('93 Bulls and '98 Bulls). He's batting 1.000 in these situations. In other words, with Coach Eleven Rings guiding us, the odds are actually in our favor.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | April 29, 2011 at 11:22 AM "

There's always a creative way to make the statistics work in favor of an argument. Teams are just historically more likely to win with HCA than without it and all statistics back that up.

If someone says Phil and the Lakers can't win without HCA, they are wrong. If someone says Phil and the Lakers will have a harder time in a series without HCA, they are right.

Bynum is now officially the best Center left standing in the playoffs. If he works on that Mid range face up J he will be unstoppable next year. Power inside game plus sweet J = next Laker super center.

I hope Pau is over his upper respiratory infection. He looked a little better last night but still not playing up to his potential.

Everyone else also needs to stay healthy & not twist ankles or knees or contract any type of pox. Watching a healthy Laker team perform to their potential is sports ballet.

Thanks NOLA for the sparring session & wakeup call. Chris Paul is a true competitor. He'll be out of NOLA when his contract expires in 2012. I'd love to have him wearing in purple & gold.


The Snake,
Lame comment. Is someone forcing you to watch? Your tag reveals your character. Although I believe you have to go a couple steps up to reach the mental capacity of a snake.

>>>They can certainly win without HCA but the math above tells me it's a lot
>>>harder to do so.
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>>>Posted by: Bay to LA | April 29, 2011 at 09:38 AM

>>Is there a something about the fact that those numbers added up to 2
>>championships that you don't understand?

Yep, is there something about the fact that the two they won, they HAD HCA and the one they lost they DIDN'T HAVE HCA that YOU don't understand?

>>>I find it ironic how the Drew for Dwight fools conveniently give Howard a
>>>pass for not being able to win in Orlando. Great response to frmkt.

Shaq couldn't win in Orlando.

But paired with another superstar and a great coach, he was the most dominant player in the league. Dwight Howard could step right into the Shaq shoes. Pair him with Kobe or DWade or LeBron and it's 2 or 3 titles waiting to happen.

In fact, a LeBron for Dwight Howard would be MUCH more beneficial to Miami than to Orlando.

And wouldn't that be delicious... to watch as the Meat told LeBronze to take his talents to Orlando, because they needed his trade value more than his skill set.


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