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Caught in the Web: Lakers go over lengthy film session

60995548 --The Times' Mike Bresnahan looks at the adjustments the Lakers plan to make against New Orleans.

--The Times' Mark Heisler argues the Lakers aren't as good as the Kobe Bryant-Shaquille O'Neal teams.

--The Orange County Register's Janis Carr wonders if the Lakers are in trouble.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding believes the Lakers aren't playing hard enough.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky highlights Ron Artest's comments on not winning the Defensive Player of the Year award.

--The Riverside Press Enterprise's David Lassen and --the Daily News' Elliott Teaford details the Lakers' gruesome film session.

Tweet of the Day: Little birds are chirping that @RealLamarOdom will be announced as 6th Man of the Year today. Congratulations and well deserved!" -- MagicJohnson (Lakers Hall of Famer Magic Johnson)

Rick Friedman Reader Comment of the Day: "We need that Lakers switch and need it now! My question. Is it of the emotional, mental, psycological variety? Or of the physical type? Like the one granny used to chase us around the yard when we were bad as kids." -- Fatty

--Mark Medina

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Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant struggles to cover Hornets point guard Chris Paul during Game 1 of the Western Conference playoffs on Sunday at Staples Center. Credit: Robert Gauthier / Los Angeles Times

 
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interesting reading:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/669981-la-lakers-pau-gas-ol-is-playing-like-hes-gassed-here-are-three-main-reas#/articles/669981-la-lakers-pau-gas-ol-is-playing-like-hes-gassed-here-are-three-main-reas/page/2

snippets:
Pau’s statement is unapologetic and is disconnected from the magnitude of the surroundings. This is scary. This also means Pau is prone to more of this.

Until Pau says, “I blew it. This one is on me. I played like I had a skirt on,” L.A. fans can count on at least one game a series like this from Pau, and, next season, can count on many more showings like this.

snippet:
How many times does Kobe have to pull a multimillion dollar big man aside and tell him, “Look, bro, you’re seven feet tall, second in command on this team...you need to take it to the rack. Feel free to shoot!"

snippet:
What Bryant meant to say was something to the effect of, “I don’t know how many times Pau needs a pep talk, but the guy is wearing me out. He’s constantly unmotivated. He’s a big man who plays like he’s a shy school boy who’s never talked to a girl before. I’m sick of carrying this guy on my back!"

But Kobe is a professional, so he tailored his words.

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In basketball, leadership means you have earned the right to shoot and shoot often. If you miss, at least you missed trying. There are guys in the D-leauge who would love to take a stab at the playoffs and try to take every open shot they could, or drive to the hole to create shots for themselves.

Earth to Pau: It’s okay to shoot. That’s what Jackson and management want you to do. Did you not get that memo, say, two years ago...when you were hired?

There are some trolls out there ... (*cough* staples24 *cough* island altar boy
*cough* Kobefan ) who should re-read those last two paragraphs. Consistently,
passing to an open Artest is *NOT* grounds for winning a championship
based upon his shooting history.

mclyne,

Don't listen to these guys.
Pau had a bad game at the wrong time. It happens.
He's not going anywhere and someday his uniform will hang from the rafters at Staples Center.
Posted by: Jon K. | April 19, 2011 at 11:31 AM
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Art, LT, NBA4Ever, Ricky,

I agree with Jon K sentiments above. Pau had a bad game…nothing more…nothing less. He’ll bounce back strong. However, I do think we (Laker fans and some media folks) tend to overrate Pau. He’s a very good player. He’s an all-star, but he’s not a superstar or great NBA player. Maybe in Europe he is, but not in the NBA.

@mclyne - Nice to have Tina declare LO as Simply The Best for his 6th man award.


@Tri - Steely Dan dedication to Ricky....sweet!

@Fatty - congrats on the Friedman. Like the one granny used to use...lol.

What Bryant meant to say was something to the effect of, “I don’t know how many times Pau needs a pep talk, but the guy is wearing me out. He’s constantly unmotivated. He’s a big man who plays like he’s a shy school boy who’s never talked to a girl before. I’m sick of carrying this guy on my back!"

But Kobe is a professional, so he tailored his words.

Posted by: hobbitmage | April 19, 2011 at 01:42 PM
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Hmmm....where was that professionalism in the summer of 07?

LRob,

But I think having a bad day/game while having your man face on is very different than having a bad day/game while having a skirt on. Which is what Gasol demonstrated on Sunday, Skirt and ovaries.


@LROB ... I hope you are right about Pau because we are going to be hard pressed to win it all again unless he shows up. The positive signs are Pau had a similar horrible stretch of games late last season where Phil actually benched him at the end of a game and put Drew in similar to what he did Sunday.
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What is not a good sign is that these “bad games,” as you call them, have happened more frequently this season than any other season since Pau joined the Lakers. In fact, Pau just had back-to-back bad games, something that we rarely had to stomach before this season. Will he show up Wednesday?
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Certain bloggers always accuse me of being biased in favor of Drew and to a certain extent, that’s true. What they need to ask is WHY am I biased in favor of Drew and not Pau? All you need to know to see why I feel the way I do is to compare what Drew and Pau each had to say about Sunday’s game. Drew actually came out and said he played poorly because he got into foul trouble which cut his minutes. Pau on the other hand delivered his usual vague and noncommittal “don’t blame me” comments
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Bottom line, basketball does not dominate Pau’s life nor has he shown that he shares the relentless drive and unbridled passion to become the best in the game and a champion that have always kept Kobe motivated. There will come a time – hopefully well into the future – when Pau will have to come out of whatever closet he currently is in and face the music. In the meantime, it’s all on Pau.
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TOM

Hmmm....where was that professionalism in the summer of 07?

Posted by: LRob | April 19, 2011 at 02:10 PM

How can you be professional with Smush Parker & Kwame Brown on
your team?

Hmmm....where was that professionalism in the summer of 07?

Posted by: LRob | April 19, 2011 at 02:10 PM

How can you be professional with Smush Parker & Kwame Brown on
your team?

Fatty,

The Lakers switch is a spiritual thing.

It's a matter of collective will and nothing less, nothing more.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

LakerTom,

Did you just reference Pau coming out of the closet?

really?

@LT - While what people say is useful...the ultimate judge is what they do. The old adage...action speaks louder than words. Most people talk the talk, we'll see who can walk the walk.

Based on my observations, basketball does not consume ANYONE on the team life like it does Kobe. And that's why he's Kobe...the greatest and most feared player of his generation.

I have no idea about what you mean by "the time will come when Pau will have to come out of whatever closet he's currently in and face the music".


@Magia32 - It's a bottomline game. The only thing that matters is results, not whether someone had on their "man" game. But if you truly believe what you're saying then you should be DFish's biggest fan...he always gives maximum effort.

Hello

Police here; put the PSP on the 'Pau just had a bad game' bandwagon. It hurts to see laker fans bashing Gasol so much after all the man has done for us.

Now there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, and no player ( or coach, Phil the PSP is staring at you with taser in hand) is above reproach but some like Kobe and Pau have earned themselves some 'get out of jail free cards' due to their previous excellence and deliverance of success to our team.

Anyway, we will beat the Hornets no problem, but there is no way we win it all playing this way.

Sonny Belslow, you there?

Thanks
PSP Officer

LT

What I don't understand is why you find the need to compare and contrast Pau and AB or even pit them against one another. Let's forget about Andrew in the Pau discussion and vice-versa. They are part of our wonderful 4-5 three headed monster that has worn teams down consistently over the past two playoffs. It is not new that Pau plays inconsistently in the playoffs from time to time, but he seems to ratchet it up when it matters the most. All these guys need to do is stick to the post All-Star break formula and all will be well.

MY concern is the knee injuries: Gasol, Bynum and Barnes. All 3 players are important players in PJ's rotation. I think Pau has downplayed his bone bruise and I think Bynum's a week or 2 away from feeling comfortable again. I don't think Barnes will ever feel comfortable in these playoffs. I think a lot about these injuries is being hushed up by the players and the Lakers organization.


@HOBBITMAGE & LROB .... LOL. I’m not even sure I know what I meant by Pau coming out of the closet. It definitely was not meant to imply that he was gay or less than a man. What I think I was trying to say is we really never know what is going on with Pau as he is as enigmatic and inscrutable a player as has ever played the game at the professional level. And unlike most NBA players, he could easily have been very successful as a doctor like his parents. He had and still has options other than the NBA, which makes him the exception compared to most NBA players. Unfortunately, Pau lately has not talked the talk OR walked the walk. LRob, will a 3rd stinker in a row change your mind?
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TOM

Practice Season Police,

Agreed.

It's one game.

Now he's got a series to make up for it.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

In HOBBITS tradition and honor the SNIPPETS is the them for today:

While Bynum faction believes Pau is the culprit but what about Bynum? Isn't he bigger and stronger, WELL RESTED AND YOUNGER THAN Pau? Every time Bynum commits a silly foul, guess who has CUT HIS REST SHORT? No wonder Pau looks tired from playing Bynum's minutes as well.

SNIPPETS, SNIPPETS & SNIPPETS AND MESSAGE BEHIND THEM:

"We didn't get the ball inside, which is one of our strengths," Jackson said.

Translation: Can it be any more direct, hint hint & hint.

"Ron was probably the best player we had out there [Sunday]," Coach Phil Jackson said. "Kobe had a lot of points but Ron was, I thought, keyed and ready to go and played well."

Translation: What a waste of energy and effort with a loss to show for, all that glitters is not gold, hint hint and hint!

"I'm disappointed, stunned, surprised, but we were the ones responsible for that to happen," Gasol said. "I've just got to make myself available whether the ball is coming or not. I've just got to be there and get myself active and don't get discouraged whatsoever if the ball is not coming."

Translation: Hello where is the ball and stop dribbling please!!


Odom, while not mentioning Bryant by name, added, "We didn't get guys involved in the game … Everyone who is in this locker room, we have to use them."

Translation: I wish I could say it loud but I am afraid Kobe is not going to like it so read between the lines, hint hint & hint.

WAY TOO early to panic! With that being said, if Lakers don't reach the Finals this year, they probably won't in the near future without some major shake up. It can be done, but you may have to give to get. Let's hope the guys get it together and march on!

LRob,

Touché.

I remember the Houston series 4-3 and how much of a struggle that was. We were either good or lucky or both. Hope that we are still that team, good or lucky or both!


@KOBEMVP888 ... Sorry we didn’t get a chance to meet on Sunday and condolences for the death of your friend. Iheartkb24 and I had a great time, had breakfast at the Pantry with Edwin and his wife Mary and then dinner in West Hollywood with htj and his brother-in-law. Wish we had played better and won the game but that’s just the way the ball bounces – an occasional rare Lakers loss. LOL.
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It’s hard NOT to contrast what Drew and Pau say and do because they not only are our two biggest players but also our 2nd and 3rd best players who share playing time at center. Their history on this blog has also been one of conflict with Gasol supporters futilely trying to convince the blog that the Lakers were a better team with Pau at center rather than Drew, although only fools believe that now. Drew is now saying and doing the right things while Pau is not talking the talk or walking the walk.
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While I have not lost faith in Pau, I have become very disenchanted with his attitude, motivation, and play and am seriously worried that we might have seen the best this guy can deliver. I also think that I am NOT the only one sensing that something is going on that is more than just another bad game. I sincerely hope that I am wrong and overreacting and will be cheering heartily for Pau tomorrow night. Will I be surprised if he has another subpar game? At this point, I am sad to say: probably not.
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TOM

@hobbit - Kareem's 77 Lakers was swept in the Blazers 4-0. The other four starters (Don Ford, Cazzie Russell, Earl Tatum and Don Chaney) performed as poorly or worst than Kobe's mates in 07. Yet there was no summer tirade. No excuses for Kobe's behavior that summer.


@LT - Postseason brings a fresh slate. Pau has had one stinker. Will another bad game Wednesday make me change my mind? No. But just what do you mean by change my mind?


@MVP - Thanks for chiming in with words of wisdom!

LakerTom: Come on, my friend. You're taking this one just a bit too far.

"Bottom line, basketball does not dominate Pau’s life nor has he shown that he shares the relentless drive and unbridled passion to become the best in the game and a champion that have always kept Kobe motivated."

How do you know basketball doesn't dominate Pau's life? He doesn't want to become one of the best in the game?

Pau has been THE MOST consistent Laker since he joined our beloved team. While Bynum sat on the bench rehabbing his various knee injuries, Pau carried the load. Pau DOMINATED Dwight Howard in the Finals. Pau was THE MAN in that amazing Game 7 last season. He is averaging a double-double (is Bynum doing that?), he has myriad post moves, and he is deemed one of the best big men of ALL TIME by many basketball professionals.

He has bad games. They all do. But come on, LT... Give the guy a break. You are jumping to a number of conclusions (conclusions from which you would, without question, defend Bynum should other fans start bashing).

Go Lake Show!

As far as Gasol vs Bynum here's my take:

It is NO SECRET that Pau Gasol is the stereotypical soft Euro. He has always been a finesse player who relies on skill and smart as supposed to power and strength. It is also NO SECRET that Pau occasionally can be bullied, both physically and mentally. We maynot like it but that's the way it has been and will probably be. A leopard can't change his spots OK? Sure as he matures Pau may improve "a little bit" in the softness department but there is ZERO change he will turn it around 180 degree.

While I still blame him (mainly) for his no-show in game 1 I also blame (partly) the coaching staff for not able to find ways to BETTER using him. That's what the guy in the high chair is paid $10M+/yr for.

As far as Bynum goes he SHOULD be the guy who plays the physical game. He does NOT need to use his finesse. He just needs to BULLY his way like a bull in a china shop. There are plenty of examples for him to study from, from Shaq to Dwight Howard that's the kind of Center AB should strive to be.

It doesn't take genius to see with his own eyes that Pau is built for finesse while AB is built to be a BULLY.

Looking back perhaps it was a BAD idea to have Kareem, a finesse guy himself teaching AB.

The Lakers should have hired Bill Lambeer or Rick Mahorn to teach him the finer aspects of how to use his size, strength and sheer NASTYNESS to get ahead.

I can tolerate an occasional no-show by Pau Gasol. I just don't understand why Bynum cannot BULLY his way in EVERY game since he's almost always the biggest guy out there and thus tolerate that less...

Yeah, why doesn't our PG Fisher get the ball inside to Drew or Pau? Sure wasn't too hard for Magic to go to Kareem. One thing I notice is that both Drew and Pau don't seem to post very low often enough. You would think after practicing and playing the whole season that timing would be perfect. You do that timing to be effective and for some reason it's rarely there? Demand the ball, get good position, keep your opponent on your back and be quick about it! You need "Good Timing," as the Beach Boys would sing!

KOBE IS RIGHT ALL THESE BUFOONS ARE WRONG, GIMME GIMME GIMME THE BALL!! they are all Kobe haters and trolls!

Snippet:
"We didn't get the ball inside, which is one of our strengths,"

Jackson said after a loss to Hornets.

Snippet:
"I like to see everybody involved in the game," Jackson said. "I've tried to preach as a basketball coach, even though we have a guy that dominates the ball in Kobe, basketball is not a one on one game — it's a team game."

After a loss to Heat.

Snippet:
"Ron was probably the best player we had out there [Sunday]," Coach Phil Jackson said. "Kobe had a lot of points but Ron was, I thought, keyed and ready to go and played well."
So all that effort and LOSS TO SHOW FOR, hmmmm counter productive!!

Snippet:
"I've just got to make myself available whether the ball is coming or not. I've just got to be there and get myself active and don't get discouraged whatsoever if the ball is not coming."

Snippet:
Odom, while not mentioning Bryant by name, added, "We didn't get guys involved in the game … Everyone who is in this locker room, we have to use them."


@LROB ... “@LT - Postseason brings a fresh slate. Pau has had one stinker. Will another bad game Wednesday make me change my mind? No. But just what do you mean by change my mind?”
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What I mean by change your mind is not to stop supporting or believing in Pau but to start worrying that this is not just about a bad game here or there. At his best, there is no other power forward out there who is a better fit or more skilled than Pau Gasol. He is the perfect fit for this Lakers team.
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But whatever is going on with Pau right now is preventing him from being the player we all love and the team desperately needs. All season long, fans vent on players and you rightfully come to their defense as I often do too, whether it’s Fisher, Artest, Blake, Barnes, Bynum, or Pau Gasol.
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But not showing up for the game on time and refusing to accept any personal responsibility for not playing well and failing to be aggressive in the most important game of the year after a two-month period of sub-standard play does not indicate any sense of urgency or desire to make a fresh start.
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@THE OUTLAW ... “You are jumping to a number of conclusions (conclusions from which you would, without question, defend Bynum should other fans start bashing).” Guilty as charged, my friend. I’m probably still pissed that I wasted $600 to fly down to a playoff game where we got embarrassed. I would love for Pau to prove me wrong and serve me a huge dish of crow. Should I hold off on dinner to be sure I have room for the crow? That is where I am right now as far as Pau Gasol is concerned.
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TOM


Posted by: kobefan
Odom, while not mentioning Bryant by name, added, "We didn't get guys involved in the game … Everyone who is in this locker room, we have to use them."

Translation: I wish I could say it loud but I am afraid Kobe is not going to like it so read between the lines, hint hint & hint.

It's not about Kobe passing the ball, it's about players being aggressive to establish position and then putting the rock in the hole when you do get it.
Lamar had 4 points until garbage time to go with his 1 rebound, he should just STFU, that's not Kobe's fault. LO played 30 minutes and he has the nerve to take a subtle shot at Kobe. Same with Gasol.
You want some go and get some. Don't be afraid to fail, be like Kobe.


Posted by: D(erek)J(eter)

Yeah, why doesn't our PG Fisher get the ball inside to Drew or Pau? ...

because he can't make the pass and not many on the team know how.

Pretty simple.

and that's partly coaching

Kobe isnt a point guard, he is a shooting guard -- so he is gonna shoot. He still shouldve ended up with 8-10 assists -- count the missed opportunities for the times he gave the rock up. Hell, Fish cannot even make a decent entry pass into the post and Shannon cannot either!

Its all good though. Them mofos wanna blame kobe for shooting too much and dominating the ball -- its soo fricken old and tired -- man the phuk up, grab rebounds, play defense and do the little things that help the team win!!

"I can tolerate an occasional no-show by Pau Gasol. I just don't understand why Bynum cannot BULLY his way in EVERY game since he's almost always the biggest guy out there and thus tolerate that less...


Posted by: Psycorp | April 19, 2011 at 03:12 PM "

I'm not sure what is going on with Bynum offensively. I've heard conflicting reports about whether or not Kareem is really working with him.

He has good shooting ability for a big man so I'm not sure why he still isn't really useful for inside scoring other than lobs and putbacks. If he gets the ball down low, he doesn't really have a move he can use. He usually hesitates and gets trapped and then either charges into someone or travels.

Pau is more difficult to understand. He makes a lot of comments here and there that make it seem like he is frustrated by the hierarchy so whenever he has a bad game, it seems like he is pouting. He's a finesse guy so it's hard to judge him by the effort he is showing. Maybe he really is trying but it just didn't work out for him on a given day.

Ok since Manu wasn't eligible and after looking at the candidates, Lamar deserved the award which was the weakest field I've seen in recent memory.

Now go out there tomorrow and play like it, I want to eat some candy crow pie.

Sure, I would like to see Kobe pass to our great shooters, would make it easier on him as well. Oh, please remind me who our great shooters are? Yeah, but Korver, Allen, Curry, Bibby and Bonner, to name a few, aren't on our team.

4 lights,

That Fisher or whoever our PG is at the time working the ball inside was petty much sarcasm. And why isn't that routinely practice in "practice?"

D(erek)J(eter)
Oh, please remind me who our great shooters are?

Nailing it

Kobe probably could have averaged at least 3 more assists per game in his career if he had a some pure shooters on the team. Instead he has to rely on... oh yeah,
Walton, Artest, Fisher, Smush, Farmar, The Machine (save that one year), These guys must have had opposing coaches just shaking in the boots with the damage they could do.

4 Lights doesn't get it yet, the award LO got today was for the regular season, not the playoffs, get over yourself.

Of course Odom has to step up in the playoffs, but the award he got today has NOTHING to do with that, it has to go with him pretty much carrying this team at the beginning of the year while everybody was still drinking the champagne from last years championship run.

DJ
With the Triangle Offense, basic fundamental principles are not taught as it would interfere with the intricacies and development of the sophisticated spacing and movement that is required of this offensive system.
So basic plays such as creating mismatches which entails the correct pass to start the process is not included. Also screens and/or double screens are not encouraged as that breaks the Triangle spacing demands.

hiphopcop

So if Lamar disappears in these playoffs, it doesn't matter because he was so good in the regular season.

very un-hip

Do all these comments from Laker players/PJ that others have posted sound like a tight nit team with grade A chemistry?

Amazingly, somehow this team wins in spite of itself.

I really hope they can pull it off this year because the sand is running out in this hourglass.

And another game or two like the first playoff game from Odom and you can kiss a 3peat goodbye.

But I suspect (hope) the team and coaching staff will snap out of their funk.

On one play late in the 3rd or early in the 4th, Fish tried to penetrate. He got to within 10 ft. of the basket and drew an opposing big out. At the same time Bynum was cutting into the basket. Any NBA PG worth his salt could have get the ball to AB for a dunk. Instead Fish threw a wild pass at Bynum's knee resulting in a TO.

Is there a more WORTHLESS PG in the NBA than Fish? When his jumpers are not falling, Fish is WORTHLESS because there is nothing else that he can do. What kind of NBA PG cannot slash, penetrate, finish, pass, steal...?

Thanks to Fish, CP3 had the game of his life. Thanks to Fish, Paul had like his second 30pts+ game this season.

No, I don't hear about another excuse of "no PG can guard another NBA PG". That's pure bull.

PS: Of course any PG looks like All-Star against Fish, remember how Steve Blake had a triple-double against him. Now we know the real Steve Blake is not THAT good!

Sorry if all this was covered (I get a headache/heartburn trying to weed through all the posts - trolls and otherwise), but I gotta get LakerTom's back on this one. There is an observable difference in Pau lately. It is not just one game's worth. Several of us have speculated (because none of us knows for sure, including you blindly taking the opposite stance, despite easily observable trends) various possible reasons for this perceptible trend, among which a few are:

Knee reluctance; chemistry issues; two-is-enough-rings-for-me; Sunday-noon-game-doesn't-mean-I-have-to-change-my-Spanish-late-night-traditions-without-curfew; tired-of-getting-banged-around-by-every-team-I-face; who-needs-to-lift-weights-for-a-good-base-when-I-love-to-shoot-18-footers; Kobe-will-get-blamed-for-any-loss-so-I-have-no-accountability-to-concern-myself-with; my-lack-of-rebounds-will-be-blamed-on-Kobe-not passing-to-me-in-the-post-even-though_I_have-2-extra-defenders-in-my-lap-for-a-guaranteed-turnover-waiting-to-happen; bi-polar or other such medical reason?; etc.; etc.

So, we are not arguing one game's worth of a bad day - hell Kobe has bad days at least a couple of times a month this year!

AND.......WE are hoping beyond hope that Pau gets it together, whatever his 'secret' problem is - and it is delusional not to think there is not one. We are cheering for a real problem/excuse, because the contrary would be that he is recently lazy and unmotivated to help this Laker team! That would be inexcuseable for even his greatest fans - CORRECT!?

Interesting stat and comparision..

Toni Kukoc is the last player who won Sixth Man and a title in 1996 coached by Phil Jaskson.

LO and Kukoc are very similar in their style of play and both are tough matchups for opponents for their sizes.

MM, thanks for the compliment.

Picturing granny with a switch was a great form of motivation. Even though she was such a little frail lady, her wielding such a large, long, and skinny branch of discipline worked EXTREMELY well. Except for maybe my older brother, most of us missed the punishment. But seeing her, more than ready to use it, was all that was needed. We complied wholeheartedly to any of her requests.

I think I will make a switch, send it to coach Jackson for him to use to get these guys motivated and focused for the task at hand. Yes, I think I will.

And to add....the award is very nice and means much more than ever before. I only realized last night Rick Friedman had passed away. Rick is very much missed. He was a very good friend to us all. I never got to sit down with him and share our promised Scotch, but tonight I will share a few with him.

And you Lakers, get your butt in gear or I promise, Rick Friedman will come back to haunt you. I guarantee that.

@LT - another pathetic game like gm 1 in this series and yes I'm concerned.


@Magia - :-)

--The Times' Mark Heisler argues the Lakers aren't as good as the Kobe Bryant-Shaquille O'Neal teams.

Hard to disagree with that! And I don't. 2 superstars who could take over a game at the end, plus a very tough supporting cast. No whimps on those squads!

Greetings Lakeshow Fans,

Looking at the 3-Peat road, here's a simple recipe for handling NO for the rest of the series.

Benchplay: LO, Shannon, and Blake should ALL take it to the rim by employing screen/pick and rolls when that second unit is in. Do not settle for jumpshots ONLY. NO does not have the personnel to stop those plays all game long. In other words, give NO their own medicine. LO, the Sixth man of the Year, should be able to exploit mismatches when he's in.

Starters: Pound the ball INSIDE early and often to Pau and Bynum. Also, add some screen/pick and rolls in the offense just to keep NO off balance on D. Kobe is going to get his points no matter what. Overall, get NO to expend their energy on D early so that later in the games, their lack of size will ultimately show their true colors.

BOTTOM LINE: Lakers team as a unit play with undeniable effort and passion, as if the Larry O'Brien trophy is right in front of them to take for the 3rd Straight time! Don't look at it gentlemen, WANT IT AGAIN!

Laker pride through ALL and ANY ADVERSITY! Peace.

Lakers have to win next two in a row to have any chance to advance.

As long as this team wins 3 or more titles, this team will be as good as or better than Shaq-Kobe team. That's all matters!

"As long as this team wins 3 or more titles, this team will be as good as or better than Shaq-Kobe team. That's all matters!
Posted by: LakerPeace | April 19, 2011 at 04:18 PM
"

Before this year's odd season and finish, I was hoping for at least 5 in the Kobe (post Shaq) era. I am still hopeful, although it may take more trips to the ER than I can stand! :-)

I can attest to the fact that Lakers players DO NOT try hard enough to get the ball into the post. Many times I saw either Bynum or Gasol established position in the post yet their teammates got way too timid to pass the ball in. If it were me I would too get discouraged because I had to fight hard to get that post position.

As a matter of fact, many times even when Artest tried to post his man up his teammates refused to throw the ball into him either.

While I still don't think Lakers bigs fight hard enough for inside positions I also think the blames are not all theirs alone.

and...........it will take some serious personnel changes after this season, even if they get a ring!

They need another banger; speed out front; youth; another long range threat.

"Its all good though. Them mofos wanna blame kobe for shooting too much and dominating the ball -- its soo fricken old and tired -- man the phuk up, grab rebounds, play defense and do the little things that help the team win!!"
-lakersrydordie

Yes. Yes, and Yes. Kobe would not have to feel the need to take so many shots if his teammates were doing the most simplest things like: cutting to the basket when Kobe has the ball, carving out space for himself on the box, or wait for it, wait for it.......... HIT WIDE OPEN SHOTS!!!

LROB,

you wrote: @hobbit - Kareem's 77 Lakers was swept in the Blazers 4-0. The other four starters (Don Ford, Cazzie Russell, Earl Tatum and Don Chaney) performed as poorly or worst than Kobe's mates in 07. Yet there was no summer tirade. No excuses for Kobe's behavior that summer.

my response:

1st. I don' t think getting swept in the playoffs is the criteria by which Kobe's
tirade happened.

2nd. I don't believe that you have *ANY* idea about what Kareem said
about his teammates. If Kobe had not been ratted out, by a supposed fan,
with cool technology that rant never would have been recorded.

3rd.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/forddo01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parkesm01.html

Are you aware that Smush, a PG, averaged ~ 1 assist more per game than the
forward Don Ford?

4th.

You're referring to the rant that could have paired future HOFer Kobe w/
future HOFer J-Kidd and you're comparing that to what? What deal was
on the table that the Lakers didn't do which would have enraged Kareem?
FWIW, does Kareem actually get enraged about anything?

5th. I'd like to be perfectly clear about something. I am not saying that Kobe
was w/o faults. However, getting taped in a parking lot is significantly
different than being on ESPN TV and calling for Bynum's head.

If you want to say that Kareem had/has more class than Kobe, feel free. I
don't think I care one way or the other. I am far more saddened about his
adultery than I am about his complaining because he didn't get a chance to
play w/ Jason Kidd. You're talking about what could have been one of the
all time great guard combinations and that was taken away from him. He
should be angry if he's got a competitive bone in his body.

And before anyone says anything, being a married man I'm far more
understanding of marital problems than I was when I was single. Doesn't
excuse him in the least. But to quote Chris Rock: I understand!

I am trying to follow Kobe's advice. And it works well so far for me. LOL..

"You can't get too high or too low in the NBA" (or something like that)
-Kobe Bryant-

@Psycorp: agreed that they do not get it into the post when they should, but it is because they don't hit the post on the move. They wait until the D is completely set up and there are outside defenders waiting to lay in the lap of PG/AB/LO/RA. If they hit the bigs on the move (as it was taught when I played), they would get many more good looks inside instead of the predictable turnovers we see all the time that discourage the passers. That is on PJ to holler at someone/everyone!

@MM: are we talking about yesterday's film session or did they also have one today? (I am hoping for two days of long film and hard practice.)

(going for a PB in posts!)

@LRob:
"However, I do think we (Laker fans and some media folks) tend to overrate Pau. He’s a very good player. He’s an all-star, but he’s not a superstar or great NBA player. Maybe in Europe he is, but not in the NBA.

Posted by: LRob | April 19, 2011 at 02:01 PM "

You are correct - I suppose we have just been HOPING him to be a superstar, because that would ease our rooting angst!

Fatty Oh dear Fatty, just drop by to say congrats. I'm getting dizzy in reading the posts in this thread.

The one fact that stares us, is if we lose this series to NO, then we weren't (aren't) as good as any of us thought. I don't think we'll lose it. I still remember that Houston series, wow and whew!


@PSYCORP... Excellent observations about the team not feeding the ball to Drew, Pau, or Ron when they have great inside position. What I see is the perimeter guys glance at the post player as he is starting to seal his man and rather than wait a second or fake a pass they simply ignore what is going on inside and pass the ball to whoever is standing to their left or right on the perimeter.
...
Passing into the post requires three things, whether the pass is to a player who has sealed his man or is being fronted by his man: (1) throw the right kind of pass, (2) throw it at the right time, (3) throw it where only the post player can catch it. We don’t do any of those 3 things well. And when we pass the ball on the perimeter, the idea is to swing the ball to the weak side either to Kobe on the pinch post like MJ or to a passer in the corner who can then hit Drew sealing his man down low ala Shaq.
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TOM

"Before this year's odd season and finish, I was hoping for at least 5 in the Kobe (post Shaq) era. I am still hopeful, although it may take more trips to the ER than I can stand! :-)"- NuggetsCountry

I think a trade for Howard next year, sending Socks and change to Orlando in return, is our best chance of Kobe reaching that 5 mark. I like Drew, but I just don't see his knees holding up for much longer. I think if he had stonger knees, he could have become the franchise player we all hoped he would become. I'll still root for him as long as his uni says "Lakers" on the front.


@Fatty

Forgot to congratulate you earlier on your Friedman. Congrats!

I would love to see Phil in a granny wig and dress chasing the Laker players around with an oversized switch. Now that would be true comedy!

hobbits and nugget country are trolls. Listen the Priest said Kobe is sucking the life out of Pau and Lo. Yall didn't believe me. Plus PJ is completely demoralised by Kobe selfish play. I hear all kind of nonsense from persons on the blog. Bynum nor gasol don't get the ball in the post because they have to hit the block moving. Huh? Both of these guys are established post players get them the ball kobe. Kobe is such a ball hog i need to call him elmer fudd.

Kobe does not need to be defended from trolls.

His body of work does all of the talking.

If his "bigs" had half the amount of drive, determination, and passion on the court for 48 minutes, this squad would be unstoppable- literally. There would be no discussions of "flipping the switch" or "what the heck is wrong with Pau, Drew, and Odom?" quibbles.

I don't understand phil. you have 11 rings and coached the greatest player of all time in jordan. if kobe doesn't follow the game plan bench him. You have clout use it against the selfish mamba. Don't wait until la collapse before you reveal the truth about kobe. Take preventive measurers now. Phil always preach about getting the ball inside but kobe insists that he must eat first. These two point of views are diametrically opposed to each other. By the way hobbit and nugget country are trolls.

kobe - shaq or pau = 1st round playoff exits. Don't let kobe get too cocky because without playing with the two best big men kobe's team is lottery bound.


this was written: Listen the Priest said Kobe is sucking the life out of Pau and Lo.

my response:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/odomla01.html

says that Odom is shooting 2 extra shots more per game than he has in the last 3
years. His highest FG% EVER! His highest 3-pt % EVER!

He just won 6th man of the year.

So ... if that's "sucking the life" out of someone ...

GO FIND A VILLAGE OF VAMPIRES TO SEND TO STAPLES CENTER
ASAP!

Don't worry about the plane or the pilot. I'm CERTAIN I can get somebody
to donate a plane and someone to fly the *&^% thing!

Repost for obvious reasons:

"I say it is about time to ignore these trolls........... I hope everyone will just ignore pests and leave them alone.

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | April 19, 2011 at 09:42 AM
"

Hear ye, hear ye! I try to never get into a back and forth dialogue with these Laker/Kobe haters as they obviously have a blind agenda.......as seen by the troll response a couple of posts back. :-) They are ignorant trash, so why attempt to have a reasoned (fact based) conversation with them?

Now, I too, from time-to-time, have my issues with this team and even Kobe sometimes (I always hate his center-field defense of recent years as an example), as any reasonable observer of my posts knows, but never a blind polarized position based on some personalized hatred or political agenda, or some blind agenda promoting some other legend beyond factual certainty!

Trolls begone! I am tired of trying to find those occassional buried posts from those I respect or at least those bloggers who take some semi-defendable position/perspective!


Posted by: NuggetsCountry | April 19, 2011 at 10:21 AM

kobe + lo = 1st round playoff exits; dwade(rookie) + lo = 2nd round of eastern conference playoff.

Lots of drama here.


Lakers in 5.

Yall cannot match the priest intellect. Kobe is a cancer and pj, pau and lo are dropping hints to the media hoping kobe will change. He will not change. Since i banned mamba24 for conduct unbecomming I am the new maximum leader. All opinions are welcomed reflective of america which is a diverse society. Hobbit, nugget country, eddie etc practice bigotry. If you don't sing kobe is great then you are a hater or troll. I love kobe as a player but he is just too selfish.

LakerTom,

re: Passing into the post requires three things, whether the pass is to a player who has sealed his man or is being fronted by his man: (1) throw the right kind of pass, (2) throw it at the right time, (3) throw it where only the post player can catch it. We don’t do any of those 3 things well. And when we pass the ball on the perimeter, the idea is to swing the ball to the weak side either to Kobe on the pinch post like MJ or to a passer in the corner who can then hit Drew sealing his man down low ala Shaq.

my response: What about the speed/quickness of the man in the post?

I'm asking this because of two reasons.

1. Jerry West actually commented on the foot speed of Bynum & Gasol.
Along with that, in the last game, the announcers commented on Bynum &
Gasol loping down the court.

2. Second, Bynum has been injured for so long, I don't know if anybody,
including Bynum, actually knows how quick he is.


What about the caliber of the people he's facing? I'm seeing a preponderous
of players who are large and quick. I'm seeing a lot of really good teams
filled with quick, athletic multi-position players.

Pau Gasol has been an all-star for 3 years in a row, correct? And he's been
playing C for at least half of that time, correct?

So, are you saying that Pau hasn't been getting the ball in the post for the
last 3 years?


Hey folks - it was just ONE GAME!!! Now, for sure, it was one game where the Lakers got the absolute sh*t kicked out of them...and yes, it was tremendously disappointing and frustrating to watch. But there are a couple of things to keep in mind: (1) the Hornets shot the hell out of the ball, especially their bench. I believe the bench shooting % was .727 (16/22)!! Now it's entirely possible they could do that again, but I would put serious money against that. Outside of Chris Paul being fantastic(which CAN happen in any given game) you had what amounted to "career" games from several of the Hornets, Gray was 5/5, Jack was 5/6, Green was 4/7. They were tossing in difficult tear-drops seemingly at will, especially in the 2nd half. The Hornets also tied a play-off record by committing only 3 turnovers the entire game. No, I don't think that's going to happen again, either. The Lakers did not play well at all for the most part. They didn't run their offense at all most of the game and they didn't react well to the Hornet strategy of packing the lane and doubling the post quickly when the ball did go in there. It didn't help that the Lakers had absolutely terrible spacing and were tentative and weak in their attempts to pass into the post. Still with all that they could have been right there at the end but for some really bad turnovers, questionable calls, and a late-game jump ball toss that barely cleared the referee's head and was quick-tipped by Gray to get the Hornets a crucial possession.

Yes, the Lakers played a lousy game - as a team they were outhustled, they reacted slowly on the defensive end and did not function effectively as a team on the offensive end.

I don't expect them to repeat the uncoordinated offense and I don't expect them to be so confused and slow to react on defense. I don't expect Gray, Jack, Green and their other reserves to shoot 70+%...Gray may not even play after he badly sprained his ankle in the closing minutes.

Now if the Lakers lose Game 2 they will certainly be in trouble. They could still win the series, but it would certainly be a struggle. But if they can't win 4 of 7 from the Hornets then they don't deserve another ring anyway, regardless of Kobe's will & determination and Phil's coaching prowess.

Observations from Norcal aka Kobefan from silicon valley: Is there correlation, a common theme, a common message in comments below?


snippets, snippets, snippets, snippets, snippets, snippets, snippets, snippets,

Snippet:
"We didn't get the ball inside, which is one of our strengths," Jackson said after a loss to Hornets

Snippet:
"I like to see everybody involved in the game," Jackson said. "I've tried to preach as a basketball coach, even though we have a guy that dominates the ball in Kobe, basketball is not a one on one game — it's a team game."

Snippet:
"Ron was probably the best player we had out there [Sunday]," Coach Phil Jackson said. "Kobe had a lot of points but Ron was, I thought, keyed and ready to go and played well."

Snippet:
"I've just got to make myself available whether the ball is coming or not. I've just got to be there and get myself active and don't get discouraged whatsoever if the ball is not coming."

Snippet:
Odom, while not mentioning Bryant by name, added, "We didn't get guys involved in the game … Everyone who is in this locker room, we have to use them."

this was written:

Yall cannot match the priest intellect. Kobe is a cancer and pj, pau and lo are dropping hints to the media hoping kobe will change.

my response:

Oddly enough, I get InsideLakers sent to my mbox.

snippet:
But according to Brown, any nervousness he may have had about playing alongside Bryant as the Lakers second option at off-guard was alleviated during his first practice with the purple and gold.

"He's helped me out so much ever since the day I got here," Brown said. "The first time we practiced, he cracked a little joke on me and made me relax a little bit and made me feel welcome. And ever since then, he's been almost like my number one fan."

snippet:
Oh, and Kobe's support may have done a little to help Shannon as well.

"He's always supporting me, giving me tips and telling me things I can do out there, on the court and off the court," Brown said of his relationship with Bryant. "I can go to him for anything and I really appreciate him."


Down right cancerous.

Oddly enough, I get InsideLakers sent to my mbox.
Posted by: hobbitmage | April 19, 2011 at 06:17 PM

hahaha Wow I am so impressed. I suppose it gives you the 007 license. Do you watch the game and come to your own conclusions? I forget you have them perpetual Kobe Rose color glasses on.

"Down right cancerous.

Posted by: hobbitmage | April 19, 2011 at 06:17 PM
"

You are more tolerant of the morons than I! I toast you hobbitmage for that!

"Them mofos wanna blame kobe for shooting too much and dominating the ball -- its soo fricken old and tired -- man the phuk up, grab rebounds, play defense and do the little things that help the team win!!"

Posted by: lakersrydeordie | April 19, 2011 at 03:39 PM
______________

That's what I'm talking about! It's like Kobe said before: Mutha.....s have to make their shots.

Yeah, they also have to create their own stuff too when they do have the rock instead of shooting it the moment they have it in their hands and since you know Kobe is not afraid to create or take a shot, then this team – who usually have two 7 footers on the floor at the same time - should be boxing out for a potential rebound if the shot misses instead of beginning their jog to the defensive end of the court.

Well, they've watched the film, they've heard the critique, they've had their meetings, LO has his award, Ron has his rap music, Pau has his cameos, Shannon has his "trophy" wife, Matt has his videos, Blake has his wife's tweets, Bynum has his exercise video & the list goes on. They've all milked L.A. for their maximum personal exposure so now it's time to give back to the city and begin their basketball assault in the playoffs.

I don't care about the "tweets," the gangsta-rap, the ring auctions, exercise videos, Pau's dream to be a doctor or whatever else he has going in his life, all I care about is basketball. If LO wants to have an argument with his wife on T.V., good for him but I guess when these guys are thinking about the afterlife in regards to when "the ball starts bouncing," then it all makes sense as to the pathetic product that they have put on the floor.

It's not like these guys are being paid minimum wage. If you don't know how to handle your wealth, then you're all dumber than you sound in your interviews. Do what you're paid to do: Bounce the ball, get it into the basket, play defense, keep your bodies in basketball shape and win championships!

GO LAKERS!!

Hello

Police here; put the PSP on the 'Pau just had a bad game' bandwagon. It hurts to see laker fans bashing Gasol so much after all the man has done for us.

Now there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, and no player ( or coach, Phil the PSP is staring at you with taser in hand) is above reproach but some like Kobe and Pau have earned themselves some 'get out of jail free cards' due to their previous excellence and deliverance of success to our team.

Anyway, we will beat the Hornets no problem, but there is no way we win it all playing this way.

Sonny Belslow, you there?

Thanks
PSP Officer

Posted by: Practice Season Police | April 19, 2011 at 02:45 PM

LT

Thank you PSP...the amount of clueless fans that rag on Pau repeatedly on this site simply amazes me...HELLO PEOPLE but since the Pau trade we have been to the finals 3 STRAIGHT TIMES WINNING TWO YOU MORONS!!!! Do you have any idea how hard that is in "todays NBA". A fourth time would statistically be quite the roll(almost impossible unless you are the Cheat), and I, like many of you have my reservations. But it "is" possible with this team. We will need some luck to pull it off and every year that is always part of the equasion...GO LAKERS and GO LAKER BENCH we really need you this year...Kobe ain't gettin' any younger!


@HOBBITMAGE … How are you doing, my friend. I have to admit I just don’t know how your mind works. How you get from point A to point B would be worthy of a scientific study. :-) Anyway, this is my only response on this subject so keep that spider web of yours under control.

First of all, the subject in case you have forgotten it is how to properly pass the ball into the post and the problems the current Lakers team has doing it:
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(1) Speed and quickness do help a front court player get better position in the post but they are not the key to being able to successfully receive an entry pass. What really counts is the post player’s ability to seal his man and then be strong enough to hold that seal long enough to receive the entry pass.

Kobe and Ron do this best because they usually are bigger and stronger than the players they post up. Drew does an excellent job sealing his man in the post but Pau doe not if he has a physical defender. The reality is our big men have been getting excellent position but nobody’s passing them the ball.

Overall, the Lakers front court do an excellent job posting up because they all have excellent back-to-the-basket skills and moves, as does Kobe. You have to have a feel of playing with your back to your defender if you want to try and post somebody up. It’s completely different than facing the basket.

When you think of feeding the post, you have to see the game in motion and know where everybody is going to be 2 or 3 seconds before you make the pass. Anticipation and timing are everything. Feeding the post is like throwing the ball to the tight end in football. You want the ball to get there right when the player seals his man – not 2 seconds later when the defender has recovered. That’s too late.

Watch a great passing point guard like Steve Nash hit his big men right as they come open in a spot where the ball is easy for his teammate to catch it but totally impossible for his defender to intercept. Or watch Magic Johnson catch the help defender leaning the wrong way as he lofts the ball to Kareem over a fronting defender. The right pass at the right time in the right place to the right player.

By the way, Jerry West’s comments about Bynum and Gasol being too slow to win had nothing to do with passing. West felt that two 7-footers could not get back in transition defense quickly enough. Of course, Jerry never played in Tex Winter’s Triangle Offense whose principles emphasize proper floor balance to make a successful transition to defense. Jerry will be ultimately proven to be wrong.
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(2) I do agree that there do seem to be more competition out there. Our problems stem more from not running our offense well, not playing inside-out basketball, not shooting well from outside – all of which result in teams sagging in us on defense, which screws up our spacing and leads to Kobe or Drew or Pau getting stripped by several pairs of hands while the refs swallow their whistles.
,,,
And as I have always contended, when we don’t run our offense efficiently, turning the ball over or taking early jump shots, we end up putting our defense behind the 8-ball. And when players stand around on offense instead of moving and cutting, I think it carries over to defense where they don’t make their reads and rotations correctly. The hip bone is connected to the leg bone which is…

Finally, how could you take a discussion of our current problems to surmise that I think Pau Gasol hasn’t been getting the ball in the post enough. Frankly, considering how he has been playing, I think he is getting too many shots and touches. LOL.
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TOM

this was written:

hahaha Wow I am so impressed. I suppose it gives you the 007 license. Do you watch the game and come to your own conclusions? I forget you have them perpetual Kobe Rose color glasses on.

my response: actually, they would be purple not rose. Rose is in Chicago.
Did you fail geography?

no, the Lakersinsider does not give me th e007 license. Don't need no
stinkin' license.

What the Lakersinsider does give me are tidbits of information straight
from the organization and without the spin/interpretation of a fantastic
writer like Mark Medina. :)

C'mon troll. You've got to have better than this, right?

Sorry if all this was covered (I get a headache/heartburn trying to weed through all the posts - trolls and otherwise), but I gotta get LakerTom's back on this one. There is an observable difference in Pau lately. It is not just one game's worth. Several of us have speculated (because none of us knows for sure, including you blindly taking the opposite stance, despite easily observable trends) various possible reasons for this perceptible trend, among which a few are:

Knee reluctance; chemistry issues; two-is-enough-rings-for-me; Sunday-noon-game-doesn't-mean-I-have-to-change-my-Spanish-late-night-traditions-without-curfew; tired-of-getting-banged-around-by-every-team-I-face; who-needs-to-lift-weights-for-a-good-base-when-I-love-to-shoot-18-footers; Kobe-will-get-blamed-for-any-loss-so-I-have-no-accountability-to-concern-myself-with; my-lack-of-rebounds-will-be-blamed-on-Kobe-not passing-to-me-in-the-post-even-though_I_have-2-extra-defenders-in-my-lap-for-a-guaranteed-turnover-waiting-to-happen; bi-polar or other such medical reason?; etc.; etc.

So, we are not arguing one game's worth of a bad day - hell Kobe has bad days at least a couple of times a month this year!

AND.......WE are hoping beyond hope that Pau gets it together, whatever his 'secret' problem is - and it is delusional not to think there is not one. We are cheering for a real problem/excuse, because the contrary would be that he is recently lazy and unmotivated to help this Laker team! That would be inexcuseable for even his greatest fans - CORRECT!?

Lakers have to win next two in a row to have any chance to advance.

and...........it will take some serious personnel changes after this season, even if they get a ring!

They need another banger; speed out front; youth; another long range threat.

@Psycorp: agreed that they do not get it into the post when they should, but it is because they don't hit the post on the move. They wait until the D is completely set up and there are outside defenders waiting to lay in the lap of PG/AB/LO/RA. If they hit the bigs on the move (as it was taught when I played), they would get many more good looks inside instead of the predictable turnovers we see all the time that discourage the passers. That is on PJ to holler at someone/everyone!

@LRob:
"However, I do think we (Laker fans and some media folks) tend to overrate Pau. He’s a very good player. He’s an all-star, but he’s not a superstar or great NBA player. Maybe in Europe he is, but not in the NBA.

Posted by: LRob | April 19, 2011 at 02:01 PM "

You are correct - I suppose we have just been HOPING him to be a superstar, because that would ease our rooting angst!

Watching this Portland/Mavs game is a little confusing.

I'd really like both teams to lose. I'm not sure if that's an option.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

LakerTom,

I'm surviving. You seem to be well. That's good.

you wrote: First of all, the subject in case you have forgotten it is how to properly pass the ball into the post and the problems the current Lakers team has doing it:
…………………………………………..
(1) Speed and quickness do help a front court player get better position in the post but they are not the key to being able to successfully receive an entry pass. What really counts is the post player’s ability to seal his man and then be strong enough to hold that seal long enough to receive the entry pass.

my response: Speed/Quickness is also used in helping to seal. i.e. how long
can you hold the seal? Did I miss something?

re: anticipation & timing. I absolutely agree with you. I would argue that the
Lakers have no anticipation & timing because of two reasons.

1. Bynum's injury.
2. The commitment to run the floor or the lack there of.

To say this a different way, it seems that I rarely see Bynum and/or Gasol
fight for position and get it quickly. I have seen them fight for position. It
seems that they're not anymore.

re:
Finally, how could you take a discussion of our current problems to surmise that I think Pau Gasol hasn’t been getting the ball in the post enough. Frankly, considering how he has been playing, I think he is getting too many shots and touches. LOL.

well, if we are poor at getting the ball into the post then that would mean
that Pau isn't getting the ball enough. Maybe your entire comment was
Bynum centric?

btw, I appreciate the joke on Pau. :)

hobbitmage,

Way to stick up for Kobe, not that he needs it.

I think we learn a valuable lesson from all the hatred steeped on Kobe: A lot of people out there just hate on excellence. It is a tragic, but necessary lesson of life. Deny it at your own peril.

Acknowledge it. Kick the haters in the shins (HARD with a steel-toed boot)... and move on.

What do wep play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

I'm always wondering if these Kobe haters are really MJ...................?

Too much blind vile hate from them to be disinterested third parties............

There are two different camps in Lakers land after losses. Camp 1 - the loss is Kobe's fault for hogging the ball. Camp 2 - the loss is the rest of the team's fault for not being aggressive and forcing Kobe to play 1 on 5. The national media is usually in Camp 1 and the Lakers fanbase is usually in Camp 2.

I feel like some of the Lakers (mainly Pau) resent this because when the Lakers are winning, both camps are usually giving most of the credit to Kobe. They shouldn't let themselves be bothered by that but there should be more of a team outlook on things. You win as a team and lose as a team. There's too much individual finger pointing sometimes.


@HOBBITMAGE … Thanks for your response. Yes, quickness and speed help. I just think strength and size and back-to-the-basket skills are more important. Like most of our disagreements, it’s just a difference of degree. Bottom line, they’re all important, as is the matchup that they are posting up
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@NUGGETSCOUNTRY … Then who would that make S. Perkins? Smush Parker? Maybe pfunk is really Jeff Van Gundy, Ricky is really Pau (Wow, think of the implications of that), and I, of course, am Andrew Bynum. LOL. It’s just a joke, NC, so don’t take it personally, but could you be Kwame. LOL.
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TOM

I had better hands than Kwame. lol

At 38 years of age J Kid is ballin. Maybe that's what's wrong with Fisher, he's not old enough.

To go with that thought process.........I guess I could be.........Turiaf like. Banger - give no quarter - play D and rebound. Ronny is much more friendly than I, but you catch my drift.

No new thread in a while! I hope MM is OK!

MM: How about today's practice report?

@NUGGETSCOUNTRY …That’s different. That’s saying that’s whose play yours might resemble. The NBA version of your game. Looking at it that way, The player whose game most reminds me of the way I played would be Manu Ginobli. Not very athletic or quick or but great hops and vision and able to get into the lane with fakes and counters and changes of directions. Good shooter and passer. Tough and a little dirty and nasty on defense but no stopper. Just the guy nobody liked hacking him. LOL.

The parallel of MJ really being one of the Hate Kobe posters was why I kept think you would be Kwame. Kwame was a very smart and articulate guy who knew the game and could play tough low post position defense. His problem was he couldn’t catch the damn ball. Anyway, I was always impressed with Kwame and his intelligence when he was interviewed. If he were going to post on the blog, he would be classy enough not to be a Bynum Basher. But he would be merciless on Pau. Anyway, Kwame already posted and was banned. He was Mike T.
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TOM

Agree Nugget Country for 7 hours now no new post MIRACULO, maybe he's celebrating Passover.

This is the favorite time of Hobbit when there's no substitutions, he'll take over the blog. lo

Magic has moved on, Heat 2-0 and Celtics 2-0 by default.....Lakers what time is it? Time to win. No more manana Amigo, no more siesta please defend the pride of Spain. 6th man award and the beast should also rise up, if you all aim for MVP in the Finals oh what a dream for all your fans!

Maestro LRob, here is our theme dedicated to NO, Lakers take note:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NvgLkuEtkA&feature=related

 
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