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The ultimate NBA career stat: Money

Richlakers There were two smart stories in The Times on Tuesday about NBA players and money:
Mike Bresnahan’s piece on NBA Players' Assn. president Derek Fisher, and Jerry Crowe’s profile of former Trojans star Harold Miner.

Because of a possible lockout by NBA owners this summer during new labor negotiations, Fisher said he’s advised players all season to conserve their cash in case their paychecks stop coming.

Meanwhile, Crowe’s story pointed out that Miner, who played four seasons in the NBA and retired in 1996, has literally retired from the workforce. Miner has not worked since he stopped playing, thanks to some smart investments. He earned $5.3 million in player salary and $14 million from a Nike deal.

That got me wondering about a career stat rarely talked about: lifetime earnings as a player.

So I went through the Lakers current roster, and using stats from basketball-reference.com assembled the career salaries for each player through this season. The lesson? If you stay in the league long enough, you can build a real fortune.

I warn you, there are some are eye-popping numbers:

Player; NBA seasons; career salary.

--Ron Artest; 12; $58.4 million.
--Matt Barnes; 8; $9.4 million.
--Steve Blake; 8; $20.8 million.
--Shannon Brown; 5; $7.0 million.
--Kobe Bryant; 15; $196.2 million.
--Andrew Bynum; 6; $35.1 million.
--Derrick Caracter; 1; $473,604.
--Devin Ebanks, 1; $473,604.
--Derek Fisher; 15; $57.8 million.
--Pau Gasol; 10; $99.6 million.
--Lamar Odom; 12; $98.9 million.
--Theo Ratliff; 16; $102.4 million.
--Joe Smith; 16; $61.2 million.
--Luke Walton; 8; $22.1 million.

-- Barry Stavro

Photo: Lamar Odom, Kobe Bryant, Derek Fisher, Pau Gasol and Ron Artest catch a breath during against the Phoenix Suns in Game 6 of the Western Conference Finals last spring. Credit: Robert Gauthier / Los Angeles Times

 
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So Bosh wants more touches down low? Perfect.
Bynum historically dominates Bosh down low (not outside of course)
I can see it now, woe will the Weeps weep.

Am currently preparing a citation for "bad timing" to be delivered after tomorrow nights game


a song that fits, Dr John--right place,wrong time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuRDMu87tl0&feature=related

Keep the streak alive

The Lakers are undefeated since the Regular Season Police came to town.

Regular Season Police Salary

38,ooo

now that's worth crying about

Those lifetime earnings stats make it hard for me to believe the claims of some team owners that they are losing money. If the players are making paper like that, how much are their bosses making?

Wow! Good for Theo Ratliff!

Speaking of Money...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll3uipTO-4A - For the Love of Money - OJays

Theo's numbers are the most surprising.

Even with all that money, I still wouldn't want the life of a basketball player. All the travel and not seeing your kids for all the holidays that you have to play on, the lifetime injuries you have to deal with, and mostly just the hours you put into your work. I have always hated those columns that say this player makes this much an hour. The never calculate the hours used practicing, watching tape, travel, rehab, etc.

*As a proponent of the Bynum for Carmelo trade, I must say I'm very happy that the trade talk has lit a fire under Andrew Bynum, forcing the Beast to come out. It is Bynum's play that is the catalyst for this little winning streak. There is no doubt about it. Right now, trading Andrew for anyone would seem outrageous. Andrew needs to keep it that way. Man, I hope he stays healthy...

*Eric Spoelstra is a good young basketball mind, and will be a good coach. But it will not be with the Miami Heat. At this point, how can Pat Riley not come back and coach this team? The stars on the Heat need someone who they can respect from a basketball standpoint, Eric Spoelstra is not that coach.

*I hope Derek Fisher and the players are successful in their negotiations with the owners. These shiesty owners are always trying to gouge out more profits at the expense of the fans. Fisher says he's willing to accept a lower salary cap if ticket prices are reduced. That's a very reasonable position to take in my opinion. I hope he succeeds.

Go Lakers!
Go Aztecs!

Regular Season Police Salary 38,ooo now that's worth crying about Posted by: Regular Season Police | March 09, 2011 at 08:50 AM
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Now that truly is...RCOTD!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those lifetime earnings stats make it hard for me to believe the claims of some team owners that they are losing money. If the players are making paper like that, how much are their bosses making? Posted by: bronxlakerfan | March 09, 2011 at 08:50 AM
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You got that right my brother!!!!

They make alot of money, but hey, they also spend alot of money too.

Even with all that money, I still wouldn't want the life of a basketball player. All the travel and not seeing your kids for all the holidays that you have to play on, the lifetime injuries you have to deal with, and mostly just the hours you put into your work. I have always hated those columns that say this player makes this much an hour. The never calculate the hours used practicing, watching tape, travel, rehab, etc. Posted by: rage777 | March 09, 2011 at 09:00 AM
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Yes, Yes, Yes!!!! I have to say it...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!

A Bynum thought.

In 2007-08, Andrew played in 35 games before he got injured, and didn't return.

In 2008-09, Andrew played in 46 games before he got injured, and returned 68 days later & played at half strength through the playoffs

In 2009-10, Andrew played in 50 games before he got injured, returned almost immediately, and played through the injury, though at partial strength.

So far, Andrew has played 40 games this season. There are 17 more games in the season, followed by at least 16 games of playoffs.

If Andrew can make it all the way through the season and playoffs at full strength, he will not only be the anchor of the Lakers much improved defense, but he could show that the injuries are "just bad luck" as many claim, and not that he's injury prone.

I'm pulling for Bynum.

I also might pull for Bynum to skip the first 40 games of next season... just in case.

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PUT RON ARTEST ON NBA ALL DEFENSIVE 1st. TEAM – BANDWAGON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRkLp3ixrzQ&feature=related
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(01) PSYCHEDLAKERGIRL - OWNER - Jon K - yes!! I absolutely agree with Ron Artest on the All Defensive Team. Maybe we should start that bandwagon right now so he gets our early message!!!!
(02) JON K. - DRIVER - By the way, if Ron Artest isn't selected to the All-Defensive Team this year, there's going to be a riot in David Stern's soon-to-be-burning house.
(03) YELLOFEVER – CO/DRIVER - And how about a little love for RON RON... Don't hear much about him cause his contributions don't show up on the statsheet but he deserves as much praise as anyone else on the team.. The man is playin LIGHTS OUT SHUTDOWN defense... In our 8 game win streak he's shutdown the likes of joe johnson TWICE, manu, stephen jackson, beasley and durant... So how bout a little love for RON RON I say YOU!!!!
(04) MAMBA24 - RIDING SHOTGUN - NO RON ON DEFENSIVE TEAM NO PEACE!!!!!
(05) FAN OF THE MAMBA - RIDING SHOTGUN2 - put me on the Ron Artest bandwagon! DEFENSE Wins Championships BABEEE!!!!
(06) D(EREK) J(ETER) - SECURITY - Ron on the 1st team all D, well, duhhh!
(07) SEELY-IGGY - WARRIOR PRINCESS - Ron Artest is a stud on defense. It's a travesty to not have him on the ALL-DEFENSIVE TEAM. The Coffee Crasher rules!!! Count me in.
(08) LAKERTOM - ENFORCER - Please add me to the Ron Artest All-NBA Defensive Team bandwagon. The best hands bar none in the entire NBA. This is an award that only the top scorers in the league should vote for – LeBron, Pierce, Durant, Manu, Kobe. Then Ron would make the team.
(09) LEWSTRS - Please include me on The Ron Ron Bandwagon...I love me some Ron Ron...
(10) 63 Footer - I'm kissin' my bicep for joy in hopin' Ron makes the team. Him AND Kobe... rather have that than All-Stars
(11) SEAN - Ron playing well defensively will have more emphasis on a victory, than what Pau/Kobe are doing offensively, this week. Ron will be completely dialed in this week and let the chips fall where they may.
(12) SOSHIBO - Kiss the Biceps Ron!!! #bicepkiss #winning
(13) LAKERHOLIC - Oh... Ron has to be on the first team defense. I was very dissapointed when he was left off last year. I guess PP didn't get a vote.
(14) JOHNNYV - Concerning Ron Ron, he is a defensive juggernaut the way that PJ is a Championship coach. PJ doesn't run around directing people and exhausting himself during games. No, PJ has a vision for the season and sticks to it. Ron has a tough time making the 1st Defensive Team because he is pacing himself for the playoffs. Think about it. Ron will enter the playoffs without sore feet (last year he was bothered all year by them), he won't be burned out by overextending himself during the long season. He will be ready and will perform like the defensive monster he is.
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(01) MAMBA24 - DRIVER - Oh great Goddess in the name of that great Basketball
God Kobe Bean Bryant please return to Post among your people and lend thy support
to end this plague of crying that has swept the land since last you posted.
(02) BRONXLAKERFAN - DRIVER - Yes, Come back Zaira...we miss you and your analysis!
You bring a special sunshine to this blog!!

They make alot of money, but hey, they also spend alot of money too.
Posted by: Magia32 | March 09, 2011 at 09:05 AM
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And sometimes they have to MAKE IT RAIN!!!!!!

Ron Artest on Bynum trade talk:

"They're crazy. They're stupid. It doesn't make no sense. I don't care what they say. He's only 23. Are you serious?"

"Even if he has a bad knee, it'll get better in two years. He's going to be one of the top centers in the league for the next couple of years. But L.A., they want everybody to average 25 and 10. You've got to be satisfied with a team effort."

The Lakers made no move at the trade deadline. But look what they have added since the All-Star break:

1) Andrew Bynum getting physically and mentally strong again and emerging as a defensive and rebounding force. Right now, it looks like the 2-time champs have added Bill F-ing Russell the way Drew is defending and cleaning up the boards.

2) The return of Matt Barnes. Quick. Tough. Smart. A little crazy. With LO, two guys on the bench who would be quality starters.

I'll take that over Mike Bibby and Troy Murphy. Anyday.

The Bleat are playing so badly now and the Lakers so well, does that make Thursday a Trap game?

@Tom Daniels, Good morning sir! Nice Posts!

Mamba24,
No banwagons for me to come back?


--Luke Walton; 8; $22.1 million. = Karma

The Bleat are playing so badly now and the Lakers so well, does that make Thursday a Trap game? Posted by: Mark G | March 09, 2011 at 09:22 AM
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No, No, No!! It makes Thursday a Tap Game. The Game the Lakers make the Heat Tap out for the season and the game Princess Jimmy dumps the River Dance and introduces his new Tap dance routine!

Wondering how much Charlie Sheen has made throughout his acting career.... I am sure his money would surpass any of the NBA players salary.

"The Heatles" have now officially become "The Dead"!

--Celtics #1 record in the EC, with easy schedule the rest of the way
--Celts have 4 game lead over LA in the loss column

Charlie Sheen on the Celtics : "WINNING!!!!"

No banwagons for me to come back? --Luke Walton; 8; $22.1 million. = Karma
Posted by: MrNano | March 09, 2011 at 09:23 AM
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OH SWEET JESUS!! Look at this, look at this!! It might be, it could be, it is!!! Mr. Nano returns to a thunderous Laker Nation ovation!!!!!! BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!!!!

Eh Red,

Celtics can have HCA, we don't need it like you guys do. Besides, I'd rather have Bynum. Sheen is all yours.

How about Andrew Bynum for NBA ALL DEFENSIVE 2ND TEAM??? DHaward maybe on the 1st team this season.

"The Heatles" have now officially become "The Dead"! --Celtics #1 record in the EC, with easy schedule the rest of the way --Celts have 4 game lead over LA in the loss column Charlie Sheen on the Celtics : "WINNING!!!!" Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | March 09, 2011 at 09:27 AM
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Red listen to me very carefully!!! I know it is tempting, but please, PLEASE!!! For The Love of God, stay away from Charlie Sheen!!! You have enough SWAGGER already any more and you will overload. So celebrate the death of the Heat...Yes! Celebrate the death of the Heat with Charlie Sheen...No, No, Hell No!! Carry on sir!!

What up Laker Nation. Hey Riley Reasons…

My song today is of course for Drew. It’s all about the 16’s…(points and rebounds). One of my favs from the Doo Wop era with the smooth Johnny Maestro upfront

The Crests – 16 Candles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar5btDrZ9I4

"*I hope Derek Fisher and the players are successful in their negotiations with the owners. These shiesty owners are always trying to gouge out more profits at the expense of the fans. Fisher says he's willing to accept a lower salary cap if ticket prices are reduced. That's a very reasonable position to take in my opinion. I hope he succeeds.

Go Lakers!
Go Aztecs!

Posted by: Rocky | March 09, 2011 at 09:03 AM "

I'm pretty sure lower ticket prices is not going to be a bargaining point for the players union. Derek's comment was just to appease the fans and make the owners look greedy. It's not going to come down to taking a paycut for lower ticket prices so it's harmless to say he's in favor of that.

Bottom line, if the owners came out with an agreement that player salaries would remain the same, Derek is signing that dotted line no matter what that would mean for ticket prices. He represents the players, not the fans.

Besides, I'd rather have Bynum. Sheen is all yours. Posted by: Mark G | March 09, 2011 at 09:31 AM
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm siding with the Players 90% of the time. But the bottomline is work it...millionaires and billionaires should be able to come together with a reasonable way to split the pie.


@RSP - yes...to Dr. John's Nawlins flava

@Mamba - O'Jay's classic...that's what I'm talking about.

Luke Walton's contract is only bad because he has been slowed down so much by injuries. A lot of people were terrified that the Lakers would lose him in free agency. Back then, they lost any time he wasn't in the lineup.

I bet Kobe has equalled his total salary over the years through ads and video games. These produce other streams of income from royalties. Just to have him endorse a product is at least ten to twenty Million. I wonder if he will share it...

Mamba,

Please add me to the Zaira bandwagon.

Zaira - We miss you. Tell your hubby or hubby-to-be that he'll just have to share you with Laker Nation. Some things are non-negotiable.

Adjustment for inflation?

"The Heatles" have now officially become "The Dead"! --Celtics #1 record in the EC, with easy schedule the rest of the way --Celts have 4 game lead over LA in the loss column Charlie Sheen on the Celtics : "WINNING!!!!" Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | March 09, 2011 at 09:27 AM
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Red listen to me very carefully!!! I know it is tempting, but please, PLEASE!!! For The Love of God, stay away from Charlie Sheen!!! You have enough SWAGGER already any more and you will overload. So celebrate the death of the Heat...Yes! Celebrate the death of the Heat with Charlie Sheen...No, No, Hell No!! Carry on sir!!

Posted by: Mamba24 | March 09, 2011 at 09:32 AM


Let him party with Charlie! He sounds (decades) younger than the last time i saw him posting here months ago (when we beat the greenies and when i took my posting vacation), and sounds more funny. He even makes me think he is partying with our friend BUTLER too.

>>>No, No, No!! It makes Thursday a Tap Game. The Game the Lakers make
>>>the Heat Tap out for the season and the game Princess Jimmy dumps the
>>>River Dance and introduces his new Tap dance routine!

RIVER DANCE!!!!!!!!

Funny, I haven't seen LeBronze doing any riverdancing on the sidelines lately.

"A lot of people were terrified that the Lakers would lose him (Luke) in free agency. "

The terror of losing Luke does not even remotely compare to the terror of signing him.

All strong selections, not sure this song has the same heft, but I like the Hook

Aloe Blacc - I Need a Dollar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbVHbEGerRA

Kobe probably lost 1 billion dollars in projected advertising income because of the colorado incident. He would have been right there with Tiger Woods (+1oo mil a year)

If you think I'm misleading you check out this McDonalds commercial (my personal favorite) Kobe was being marketed to perfection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhtwO7uZpOg

"The terror of losing luke does not even remotely compare to the terror of signing him"

And the terror of signing him does not even remotely compare to the terror of watching him

Theo Ratliff, $102 million. Wow.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Where is Laker Tom?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Luke Walton's contract is only bad because he has been slowed down so much by injuries. A lot of people were terrified that the Lakers would lose him in free agency. Back then, they lost any time he wasn't in the lineup.

Posted by: Bay to LA | March 09, 2011 at 09:41 AM

Count me among those who weren't terrified at that prospect. It just didn't make any sense for Mitch to sign him to a long term contract as soon as he hit the market. With his limited skill set, I don't think any other team in the league would've offered him a long term deal.

It's concerning that Luke still hasn't developed his jump shot. If you're slow and unathletic, you'd think the least you can do is develop a consistent jump shot to make up for any weaknesses.

I'm absolutely hoping that there is a lock-out shortened season next year...

So our player can get some rest and we can win a Fourpeat.

GET IT DONE, DEREK!!!

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Lakers Improvement since the break - Top 10 Reasons:

10. Shannon's improved shooting.
9. Kobe's steadily improving knee.
8. The return of Matt Barnes.
7. Better ball movement on offense.
6. Less white swan, more black swan.
5. Chuck Person changing the defensive scheme to keep Drew close to the basket and challenge 3 point shots.
4. The return of Artest's mojo.
3. Bynum's improving health.
2. Bynum's long awaited realization that the team does not need his offense, but desperately needs his defense.
1. No more minutes for Luke.

But this Kobe commercial is a close 2nd.

Unstoppable that is Kobe Bryant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeyJTF2Fs4g

Ron Artest--All Defensive Team
Lamar Odom--6th Man of the Year
Kobe Bryant--All Defensive Team, Final MVP
Andrew Bynum--All Defensive Team
Phil Jackson--Coach of the Year

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

"The terror of losing luke does not even remotely compare to the terror of signing him" And the terror of signing him does not even remotely compare to the terror of watching him Posted by: yellofever | March 09, 2011 at 09:58 AM
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Stop that...ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RIVER DANCE!!!!!!!! Funny, I haven't seen LeBronze doing any riverdancing on the sidelines lately. Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | March 09, 2011 at 09:51 AM
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

Lakertruth

I've been trumpeting the same for years..

No minutes for luke EQUALS automatic championship

Great top ten list.. Great close...U really crushed it at the end!! U deserve lots of coffee today!

RIVER DANCE!!!!!!!! Funny, I haven't seen LeBronze doing any riverdancing on the sidelines lately. Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | March 09, 2011 at 09:51 AM
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No but he's been crying a River.


Would you guys lay of Luke and Derek already?

It's annoying.

How long can you beat a dead horse?

The whip's already broken at the handle and the horse is now a bag of bones.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

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(01) LAKER TOM – OWNER
(02) THE TRIANGULATOR CO/OWNER1 - As for Drew, ANDREW BYNUM IS FANTASTIC!!! And I can honestly say I have supported Drew and NEVER called for him being traded. Search the archives if you doubt me...
(03) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – CO/OWNER2
(04) TOM DANIELS – DRIVER - ) Andrew Bynum getting physically and mentally strong again and emerging as a defensive and rebounding force. Right now, it looks like the 2-time champs have added Bill F-ing Russell the way Drew is defending and cleaning up the boards.
(05) JOVBATZ44 – CO/DRIVER - Let's pray that Andrew will stay healthy all throughout. He is playing amazing! KUDOS TO DREW!
(06) LEWSTRS – RIDING SHOTGUN1 - Andrew Bynumite Baybee!!!
(07) LONGTIMELAKERFAN – RIDING SHOTGUN2- If Andrew can make it all the way through the season and playoffs at full strength, he will not only be the anchor of the Lakers much improved defense, but he could show that the injuries are "just bad luck" as many claim, and not that he's injury prone. I'm pulling for Bynum.
(08) ROCKY - As a proponent of the Bynum for Carmelo trade, I must say I'm very happy that the trade talk has lit a fire under Andrew Bynum, forcing the Beast to come out. It is Bynum's play that is the catalyst for this little winning streak. There is no doubt about it. Right now, trading Andrew for anyone would seem outrageous. Andrew needs to keep it that way. Man, I hope he stays healthy
(09) YELLO FEVER - Andrew bynum I salute you! Seeing andrew bynum finally get it and accept his role as a defensive minded rebounding center is a sight to behold.. But not let's get carried away we still have one whole month of regular season basketball so let's save the salutes n champagne once andrew can show us he can do this CONSISTENTLY for another month.. but please everyone don't hide ur emotions just let it out cry if you have to cause I know this is an exciting time to be a lakerfan
(10) VMAN - Great to see Drew playing this well. Great to see him healthy. Now's the time to hi8five LT and the AB support crew for incredible dedication to Drew. Go Lakers!
(11) DON’T BLAME DEL HARRIS - Andrew Bynum, I salute you!
(12) LAKERHOLIC - I have often wondered if that potential would ever be reached. Never more so than this season when he played with such a lack of energy and caring if we won or lost. Many of my posts were explaining to him (as if he reads this stuff ;-) how he is the biggest guy in the NBA and should play like it. I hope that is behind us now and he is ready to step into his role as the most dominant player in the league. Shaq was the most dominant player. It is Drew's turn. The way it is set up, the official changing of the guard could happen in the finals.
(13) TIDAL WAVE - Great game by Bynum again, domination on defense. He is reaching is peak form, I hope he stays healthy and continues focused on his role. In every rebound battle it seems Andrew wants the rebound (just like old Uncle Wiltie! and not like lazy Shaq).
(14) BRONXLAKERFAN - Andrew Bynum took away any inside game from Al Horford. Forced Al to take mainly long jumpers and Drew blocked two of those! When your center can control the middle and take away the paint from the opposing center...AND...chase that center all the way out to the three point line, then you have got a primo defensive center!
(15) LROB - The enthusiasm Drew showed on that play was inspiring. His continued excellent play has given Phil more options on how to close games.
(16) CYBERCOSMIX - Mikan - Wilt - Kareem - Shaq. Drew still has a lot of work to get to the level each of them got to, but even the most skeptical Laker fans have to see that the next Great One is amongst us, and he's only 23. Yes, the Beast has been unleashed! NO STOPPING THE TRAIN NOW!!!
(17) LAKER PEACE – How about Andrew Bynum for NBA ALL DEFENSIVE 2ND TEAM??? DHaward maybe on the 1st team this season. Andrew Bynum is finally getting it. Just stay healthy, Andrew!

yellofever,

"And the terror of signing him does not even remotely compare to the terror of watching him"

Which does not even remotely compare to the horror of watching Sun Yue play.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Kurt Rambis devised our defensive strategy in previous years. Chuck Person devised our current defensive scheme. Does Phil not coach defense?

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GODDESS ZAIRA COME BACK ON THE BLOG FOR THE HEAT GAME
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(01) MAMBA24 - DRIVER - Oh great Goddess in the name of that great Basketball
God Kobe Bean Bryant please return to Post among your people and lend thy support
to end this plague of crying that has swept the land since last you posted.
(02) BRONXLAKERFAN - DRIVER - Yes, Come back Zaira...we miss you and your analysis! You bring a special sunshine to this blog!!
(03) LROB - RIDING SHOTGUN - Zaira - We miss you. Tell your hubby or hubby-to-be that he'll just have to share you with Laker Nation. Some things are non-negotiable.

The Lakers fans who wanted Bynum traded? They're enough to make Ron Artest mad, which isn't usually a good thing.

"They're crazy," he said. "They're stupid. It doesn't make no sense. I don't care what they say. He's only 23. Are you serious?

"Even if he has a bad knee, it'll get better in two years. He's going to be one of the top centers in the league for the next couple of years. But L.A., they want everybody to average 25 and 10. You've got to be satisfied with a team effort."

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This message was posted here numerous times by members of the blog...Now Ron Ron is saying the same...Will you doubters/haters listen now???

@ all morning DJs
excellent choices so far...

Since Phil brought it up, this one is going out to the Meat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVBvy2cc0Io

I think we are finally witnessing the power, domination, and brilliance of the Lakers squad we've been expecting all season long. Next victim- the tailspinning Heat with no Riverdancing included.

Jon K,

"Would you guys lay off Luke .... already?"

Luke has tortured me for almost a decade, and the stress I've suffered as a result of watching his WNBA game has probably taken 2 years off of my life. I want payback! I will not stop beating this slow, afraid to shoot, never improving, nervous in close games, dead horse until he stops fleecing Jerry Buss and the Lakers for every undeserving penny.

GO LAKERS!

Posted by: Jon K. | March 09, 2011 at 09:59 AM

You asked where is lakertom?

Having a drag out fight with mrs tom so that they can have a hot & steamy makeup session

Next victim- the tailspinning Heat with no Riverdancing included. Posted by: mclyne | March 09, 2011 at 10:14 AM
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No Riverdancing? NO RIVERDANCING? AW HELL NAW!! Wait till I tell LongTimeLakerFan about this, he'll be crushed!! No Riverdancing indeed!!

Posted by: LEWSTRS | March 09, 2011 at 10:13 AM

Wern't you on Bynum trade bandwagon and now change your tune.

Luke
2 more years almost 12 million more

one more year for LT

You asked where is lakertom? Having a drag out fight with mrs tom so that they can have a hot & steamy makeup session Posted by: IFA | March 09, 2011 at 10:20 AM
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Stop That! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Luke has tortured me for almost a decade, and the stress I've suffered as a result of watching his WNBA game has probably taken 2 years off of my life. I want payback! I will not stop beating this slow, afraid to shoot, never improving, nervous in close games, dead horse until he stops fleecing Jerry Buss and the Lakers for every undeserving penny.Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | March 09, 2011 at 10:19 AM
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OH SWEET JESUS!!! MERCY! MERCY!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@RSP
BAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAA!

I've never seen that one before- PRICELESS!

I think Ratliff's nickname should be changed from the "Mineral Man" to "Daddy Warbucks!" He was truly one of the great defensive stoppers in his prime so he earned that paper.

@Truth - loved your top 10 list sans the dig at Luke, but I know you couldn't resist.


@Mark G - you're in blog sync with GDUB. He dropped the same excellent selection by Mr. Blacc a couple of days ago.


@mclyne with the Frankie Valli sighting...kudos. Edwin what do you think of that one :-)


@Lew - call em like you see em...haha!

LEWSTERS,

"Will you doubters/haters listen now???"

Dude, will you ever listen? Most doubters never doubted his abilities when healthy, they doubted his ability to stay healthy for a full season. Big difference. I would love to be wrong and see Bynum have a long and healthy career, and finally shed that injury prone label. A few weeks of dominant basketball does not mean his injury prone label is gone, not even close. Let's just cross our fingers and hope his knee and achilles issues are behind him.


By the way, the doubters having been saying for years that Bynum should not be concerned about his touches on offense, and he should focus primarily on defense and rebounding, while the Bynum lovers wanted him to get more touches, some even wanted him to get more touches than Gasol. Will you listen now???

"The terror of losing luke does not even remotely compare to the terror of signing him"

And the terror of signing him does not even remotely compare to the terror of watching him

Posted by: yellofever | March 09, 2011 at 09:58 AM

LMAO!!! Stop...........I can't breathe!

"The terror of losing luke does not even remotely compare to the terror of signing him" And the terror of signing him does not even remotely compare to the terror of watching him Posted by: yellofever | March 09, 2011 at 09:58 AM
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Although I don't agree with the sentiment... this is simply a fantastic quote.
OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!

LMAO!!! Stop...........I can't breathe! Posted by: pfunk36 | March 09, 2011 at 10:43 AM
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DOWN GOES PFUNK! DOWN GOES PFUNK!! OH THE HUMANITY!!

OK My first selection of my set goes to The Lakers cause…AINT NOBODY going to beat them!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U_hRJHc3eA&feature=related - AINT nobody – Chaka Khan

Luke Walton's contract is only bad because he has been slowed down so much by injuries. A lot of people were terrified that the Lakers would lose him in free agency. Back then, they lost any time he wasn't in the lineup.

Posted by: Bay to LA | March 09, 2011 at 09:41 AM


Bay to LA

Denial...........ain't just a river in Egypt

Here is a carefully crafted quote from Luke at his 2007 free agency press conference..............as he sought to protect Mitch and mask the strong possibility than there was no interest in him............FROM ANYBODY


"Lon (Babby, Walton's agent) and I discussed other cities. Teams that I would have played for, mainly teams that were competing for NBA titles. I didn't really have any one or two singled out. I don't really want to get into names of the cities, but the teams that are kind of in the hunt of the championships each year. Those are the teams we were gonna talk to if, for whatever reason, we couldn't work something out with the Lakers."


Here is the link to Walton's press conference by our former blog host Andrew Kamenestky (or something like that) as he covered what may turn out to be THE WORST CONTRACT IN LAKER HISTORY!

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2007/07/luke-waltons-pr.html

Ron Artest--All Defensive Team
Lamar Odom--6th Man of the Year
Kobe Bryant--All Defensive Team, Final MVP
Andrew Bynum--All Defensive Team
Phil Jackson--Coach of the Year

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | March 09, 2011 at 10:05 AM

Jon K I second that!!! So let it be written, so let it be DONE!!!

Put me on that DREW bandwagon, the man has found his niche! Rebounds and Defense! WOOHOOO!!!!

*______________________________________________________________________*
BYNUM THE DEFENSIVE STOPPER – PROPS FROM LAKER NATION - BANDWAGON
*______________________________________________________________________*
(01) LAKER TOM – OWNER
(02) THE TRIANGULATOR CO/OWNER1 - As for Drew, ANDREW BYNUM IS FANTASTIC!!! And I can honestly say I have supported Drew and NEVER called for him being traded. Search the archives if you doubt me...
(03) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – CO/OWNER2
(04) TOM DANIELS – DRIVER - ) Andrew Bynum getting physically and mentally strong again and emerging as a defensive and rebounding force. Right now, it looks like the 2-time champs have added Bill F-ing Russell the way Drew is defending and cleaning up the boards.
(05) JOVBATZ44 – CO/DRIVER - Let's pray that Andrew will stay healthy all throughout. He is playing amazing! KUDOS TO DREW!
"
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(18) FAN OF THE MAMBA - MAMBA CLAN SECURITY - Put me on that DREW bandwagon, the man has found his niche! Rebounds and Defense! WOOHOOO!!!!

Since we're calling out doubters today. How about those that signed off on the dreaded Theo signing?

By the way, the doubters having been saying for years that Bynum should not be concerned about his touches on offense, and he should focus primarily on defense and rebounding, while the Bynum lovers wanted him to get more touches, some even wanted him to get more touches than Gasol. Will you listen now???

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | March 09, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Yep! That's right! the Truth is spitting the Truth. We (Laker Truth, Hobbit, Yellowfever, Pfunk, Fan, among others) repeatedly said Drew needed to forget about touches and play defense and rebound, because that's what the team needed, Drew finally agreed and LOOK!

AIN'T NO STOPPING US NOW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyGP7FtcfTs

Great thread

A players worth is directly proportional to his salary since the $, if unbalanced, can sink a team.

That said, upcoming negotiations would be a whole lot more interesting if sports media would shine a light on the owners' take home pay.

Can't have an opinion without both sides of the equation.

LRob,

Guilty as charged.

>>>With his limited skill set, I don't think any other team in the league would've
>>>offered him a long term deal.

>> (and some more whining about Luke's jump shot).

Comments like these make me think that you are seeing the Luke of TODAY and assuming the contract is unreasonable based on what he produces NOW.

That's unrealistic. Did you predict before the primaries started that Barack Obama would be president? Did you predict the Wall Street crash before it happened. Did you predict that the island on Lost was a waiting place before going to heaven in the afterlife? After the fact, any of those things makes sense and it's easy to see why they happened. Before they happened, not so much.

Forget everything you know about Luke over the last 3 1/2 seasons.

In the season right before the Lakers re-signed him, Luke was the third best player on the team. He shot .387 on 3-pointers and .474 overall. He also got 5 rebounds, 4.3 assists, and 1 steal per game.

Let's put those numbers in perspective with players from this season.

1. You know who makes about 38% of their 3-pointers? John Salmons, Ben Gordon, Eddie House, Jose Calderon, Danny Granger, Jameer Nelson, and Dorell Wright. Do you consider any of those guys to have reasonably good jump shooting skills? Because that's about what Luke was shooting from 3 when he got his big contract. And here are the overall FG% of all those players:

John Salmons - 39%
Ben Gordon - 44%
Eddie House - 41%
Jose Calderon - 44%
Danny Granger - 43%
Jameer Nelson - 44%
Dorell Wright - 42%

So Luke managed to hit 3's at a similar clip to some current players KNOWN for their outside shooting, yet maintained an overall FG% (47%) higher than any of them.

2. You know who gets at least 4.3 assists per game this season? A total of 33 players. IN THE WHOLE NBA. Every single one of them has a bigger contract than Luke does.

3. Of those 33, do you know how many get at least 5 rebounds per game?

LeBron James - 7.5 rebounds & 7.5 assists
Andre Igoudala - 6.0 rebounds & 6.4 assists
Kobe Bryant - 5.2 rebounds & 4.8 assists
Dwyane Wade - 6.7 rebounds & 4.4 assists

That's it. That's the complete list of names who are producing at least Luke's level of assists & rebounds from the year right before he signed for a full MLE.

Is that what you call a "limited skill set". I'm sure those four guys would be interested to know that you think they have a "limited skill set".

I'm not saying Luke is at the level of those players. He's clearly not. But the stats that Luke produced in the season right before he was offered his big contract CLEARLY warranted a good contract, and if the Lakers hadn't offered him one, someone else would have.

Look at the examples of players like Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon who produce at lower levels than Luke was performing right before his big contract and got much bigger money than Luke. Teams are willing to spend money on guys who produce. In 2006-07, Luke produced for the Lakers.

And if Luke hadn't gotten injured, I'll wager he'd have the rep that Lamar has right now as being a kind of super sub who can do a little of everything. Injuries are what made Luke's contract way overblown. In fact, I'll wager Luke's ongoing several year injury saga is part of the reason fans are willing to trade off Bynum - they could see him turning into a 7 foot Luke.

>>>Ron Artest--All Defensive Team
>>>Lamar Odom--6th Man of the Year
>>>Kobe Bryant--All Defensive Team, Final MVP
>>>Andrew Bynum--All Defensive Team
>>>Phil Jackson--Coach of the Year

You forgot one:

Pau Gasol - best Point Guard in the NBA

Ricky would kill you if you left that one out.

You forgot one: Pau Gasol - best Point Guard in the NBA Ricky would kill you if you left that one out. Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | March 09, 2011 at 11:04 AM
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


@TOM DANIELS... Great post about the Lakers post-all-star game additions – a healthy Drew and Matt Barnes. They sure do beat adding Mike Bibby and Troy Murphy. LOL.
........................
@MAGIA32... Thanks for the link to Jacob Tucker’s dunk video. His creativity in dunks would have won the NBA dunk contest for sure. Wow, this kid can really fly. 50” vertical leap at 5’11”.
.........................
@LAKER PEACE... If Andrew can stay healthy and play like this next year, he could actually win the NBA defensive player of the year. I will also make a prediction right now that if Drew stays healthy and continues to play like the last 8 games, the Lakers will not trade him for anybody, including Dwight Howard. When you talk about potential, the sky is the limit for Drew.
.......................
@JON K.... I’m here. Thanks for the shout out for my support for Drew. Give yourself a bit pat on the back too since you’ve been doing the same all along. I’m just hoping that Drew can stay healthy for the rest of the year and the playoffs. When he plays like this, the Lakers are unbeatable.
.......................
@CCX... Take a bow with me, Mike, because you also have never wavered in your support for Drew and in defending me against all the Bynum Bashers. By the way, I think that “Bynum Bashers” is a term that has now become as obsolete as a Pickett slide rule or an IBM Selectric typewriter.
.......................
@MAMBA24... “Bynum the Defensive Stopper Bandwagon.” You are the greatest, Larry. Always one thought ahead of all of us in keeping this blog hopping and bopping. Thank you again. And you can add me also to the Zaira bandwagon. Where indeed is our Italian princess?
.......................
@LEWSTERS... Loved the post with Ron’s quotes about trading Drew. Join me and CCX and all the Bynum Boosters for a virtual toast and toke. And send me MVP’s email so I can hassle him about coming back. Bynum Boosters = Lakers fans. Bynum Bashers – gone with the slide rule.
.......................
@IFA.... ROFLMAO. I have to be very careful not to get Mrs. LakerTom too angry. The key to a long marriage is never go to sleep bearing a grudge. Better to fight and go to bed happy. And Lewsters has NEVER done anything but totally support Andrew Bynum. A Bynum Booster elite.
.......................
TOM


Posted by: LEWSTRS | March 09, 2011 at 10:13 AM

LEWSTERS:

What are you tell us that only you recognized Bynum's talent? Most of the bloggers saw first hand as to how good Bynum is but were frustrated by his a) immaturity and b) injuries. When Bynum was drafted some of us even went to summer league to see him play at Long Beach, did you?. I don't remember you bloggin about Bynum 5 years ago? I understand that you want to take credit for something we all know but you insist by repeating your self about Bynum. Please tell us something that we don't know instead of sounding like a broken record.

Happy trails!

EJK,

>>>With his limited skill set,

Okay. I'll make you a challenge.

Find me ONE player in the last 20 years who averaged 4.3 assists and 5 rebounds for a season and got less than an MLE offer the next season.

All you have to do is find one, and it will prove that Luke was overpaid. Otherwise, your assessment of Luke as having a "limited skill set" and that nobody would have offered him a full MLE contract is delusional.

EJK, this challenge isn't limited to just you. All you other Luke haters, jump right on in and find me a name.

I'm waiting.

>>>No Riverdancing? NO RIVERDANCING? AW HELL NAW!! Wait till I tell
>>>LongTimeLakerFan about this, he'll be crushed!! No Riverdancing indeed!!

How about some "cry me a riverdancing"?

Barry Starvo,

The ultimate career stat is not money.

It's Championship Rings.

Get your priorities straight.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

AIN'T NO STOPPING US NOW! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyGP7FtcfTs Posted by: Fan of the Mamba | March 09, 2011 at 10:58 AM
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AW HELL YEAH!!! Even Princess Jimmy can Riverdance to that!! What say you LongTime? COME ON JIMMY GET DOWN. GOD!@@@@@@ I forgot AINT NO STOPPING THOSE TEARS either huh Princess? Well Princess don't worry The Lakers feel your pain and will put you and your team out of your Pain tomorrow!!! Feel better...Come on at least throw a lil smoke in the air and do at least a step or two of the Riverdance for LongTime and me...that a girl!!

*_________________________________________________________*
GODDESS ZAIRA COME BACK ON THE BLOG FOR THE HEAT GAME
BANDWAGON
*_________________________________________________________*
(01) MAMBA24 - DRIVER - Oh great Goddess in the name of that great Basketball
God Kobe Bean Bryant please return to Post among your people and lend thy support
to end this plague of crying that has swept the land since last you posted.
(02) BRONXLAKERFAN - DRIVER - Yes, Come back Zaira...we miss you and your analysis! You bring a special sunshine to this blog!!
(03) LROB - RIDING SHOTGUN - Zaira - We miss you. Tell your hubby or hubby-to-be that he'll just have to share you with Laker Nation. Some things are non-negotiable.
(04) LAKERTOM - RIDING SHOTGUN2 - you can add me also to the Zaira bandwagon. Where indeed is our Italian princess?

BTW,

I'm not calling for more Luke Walton on the court. The Lakers have players who are playing much better then Luke right now. If Luke was playing at his 2006-07 level, then yes he would warrant some minutes. But he's only played at that level for a smattering of games since that time (including the 2009 NBA finals, when he shot 80%).

Actually, I'll take this moment to point out a Luke thing that annoys me.

Have you noticed that EVERY TIME HE PLAYS, he tries to do a bounce through the legs pass to a guard behind him (usually Brown or Blake). In theory, that should be nice as they would be well screened and could just shoot the open jumper... but they seldom do. If that play was regularly getting them wide open shots and they were scoring, then fine. But since they never seem to shoot, maybe he should try something else.

Jon K,

>>>Which does not even remotely compare to the horror of watching Sun Yue play.

WAIT!! Are you saying that "Chinese Magic Johnson" was really "Chinese Luke Walton"???

The horror!

@FAN OF THE MAMBA, One good STOP deserves another!! TO THE LA LAKERS : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMcYoMYOKIk - Luther

WAIT!! Are you saying that "Chinese Magic Johnson" was really "Chinese Luke Walton"???The horror! Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | March 09, 2011 at 11:18 AM
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NO MAS! NO MAS!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS IS VERY TIMELY ESPECIALLY WITH BAD ECONOMY, HOPE FOR OLDER FOLKS, A CHANCE AT 2ND CAREER:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-ca-cultural-exchange-20110306,0,7182643.story

THIS IS VERY TIMELY ESPECIALLY WITH BAD ECONOMY, HOPE FOR OLDER FOLKS, A CHANCE AT 2ND CAREER: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-ca-cultural-exchange-20110306,0,7182643.story Posted by: IFA | March 09, 2011 at 11:20 AM
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LMAO!!!!!!!!! Settle down Nation....ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AW HELL YEAH!!! Even Princess Jimmy can Riverdance to that!! What say you LongTime? COME ON JIMMY GET DOWN. GOD!@@@@@@ I forgot AINT NO STOPPING THOSE TEARS either huh Princess? Well Princess don't worry The Lakers feel your pain and will put you and your team out of your Pain tomorrow!!! Feel better...Come on at least throw a lil smoke in the air and do at least a step or two of the Riverdance for LongTime and me...that a girl!!

Posted by: Mamba24 | March 09, 2011 at 11:13 AM

Mamba leave the Princess alone, you know he's keeping track.

Hold on a minute.... I think I got that wrong. Let's look a little closer, if you look closer, it's easy to trace the tracks of the Princess' tears!

Sing it Smokey!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M1TvaWkC0w

>>>2 more years almost 12 million more

Actually, that's one more year at 5.7 million, after which he becomes a 6.1 million dollar expiring contract which will help the Lakers reload during the 2012/13 season.

Note that they'll be paying Kobe+Pau+Andrew+Lamar+Artest+Blake a total of 82.8 million that season. More than 10 million over the luxury tax for the 5 core players of the current team plus a point guard (tack on another 3.4 million if Fish doesn't retire).

So the Lakers won't have a lot of spare change to throw around to bring in free agents. Thus Luke's expiring contract will actually be a valuable asset that season.

 
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