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Poll: Which forwards belong in a Lakers Hall of Fame?

If the Lakers had their own Hall of Fame, which players would you select for induction? That is the basis for our next series of polls, in which we ask our readers to vote on who is most worthy of this honor. We will break down the history of the team by position, nominating those who spent at least three seasons with the team and played well in their tenure with the Lakers.

Only consider what they did with the Lakers. So, don't be upset that Karl Malone isn't a nominee: Obviously, Malone is a Hall of Famer, but he was only on the Lakers one season and would not be a Lakers Hall of Famer.

We now move on to forwards. To make the Hall of Fame, players must be named on 75% of the ballots. Before the ballot, there are links to each player's bio and stats on our new All Things Lakers database.

Last time, you voted for centers. Only two centers received 75% of the vote: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Wilt Chamberlain. Amazingly, George Mikan did not make the cut, leaving me to wonder if those who didn't vote for him are actually Lakers fans. You can see the center results here. For the guards, you can see the full results here, but only three guards earned 75% of your vote: Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson and Jerry West.

Candidates at forward, and remember, you can vote for as many as you want:

Dick Barnett, Elgin Baylor, Bill Bridges, Cedric Ceballos, Mel Counts, Keith Erickson, Don Ford, Larry Foust, Rick Fox, Pau Gasol, Devean George, A.C. Green, Happy Hairston, Tommy Hawkins, Lew Hitch, Robert Horry, Howie Joliff, Ed Kalafat, Mitch Kupchak, Rudy LaRusso, Clyde Lovelette, Bob McAdoo, Jim McMillian, Slava Medvedenko, Vern Mikkelsen, Lamar Odom, Sam Perkins, Vladimir Radmanovic, Kurt Rambis, Cazzie Russell, Dick Schnittker, Mychal Thompson, Luke Walton, Kermit Washington, Jamaal Wilkes, James Worthy

 

 
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Wow not enough love for Pau, Jamaal, or Horry?

No Glen Rice?

I checked the box marked "Poop". I'm assuming that was for Kwame?

Seriously... who clicked on Slava and/or Space Cadet? Really?!

Cedric "Lake Tahoe" Ceballos? Garbage points deluxe, but no way.

DBDH!

Where's "The Mailman?" LOL!!

Repost


5' 10", 50' vert.
The boys sick

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Viral-video-could-land-Division-III-player-in-du?urn=ncaab-wp65

Posted by: Magia32 | March 09, 2011 at 09:31 AM

That is just "Sick-ulous!" I suppose some white men "can" jump after all :-)

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"Our cockiness got in the way early in the season,'' said Lamar Odom. "Now we go into every game knowing if we do the right things as a team, we're going to win.'' T J Simers article

LO, keepin' it real

"Pau Gasol said the team is better because of 'concentration,' while Kobe Bryant attributed it to defense, homework and following the game plan."
T J Simers article

And that about sums up the progress after the All Star break. We all knew they would come out the 2nd half and begin doing "their thing" and the final 2 games of the "roadie" are going to be playoff intense. Miami has an ax to grind within themselves and Dallas has something to prove.

Concentration, defense, homework and following the game plan means they are going to win. Great recipe... Great team.

"It's very important for us to go out here and do what we need to do on this road trip and win these games. Fortunately, there are not back-to-backs, so we have a day to prepare for each of them. So we really want to win these games, not just for the standings, but to send a message and let everybody know we're here and we're serious." A Bynum 3/4/11


"Everything about the Lakers is geared toward winning playoff games. It's what they do." J.A. Adande


"Even when we didn’t make the playoffs, I thought we'd win the championship." Dr. Buss


"WHEN WILL LEBRON TAKE HIS TALENTS TO THE 4TH QUARTER?" LOSO


Go Lakers & In Buss We Trust!!

Posted by: frmkt | March 09, 2011 at 01:16 PM

Dude, you people are harsh. Seriously, if Mikan isn't making the cut, if Byron Scott and Michael Cooper aren't making the cut, the system is flawed and/or the voters aren't qualified.

As of now, for forwards, Pau Gasol and Jamaal Wilkes are on the outside looking in. What are you people smoking?

I think you better lower the standard. 50% maybe? Or is this just a "first ballot"?

No Rambis? My fellow blog cohorts are rapidly losing credibility....

Now this is what I'm talking about! Where have you been all season long? Finally we get to see our team perform at an appropriate level. I gotta give credit to the kid in my doghouse. Drew's been on a mission. What's sparked this exploison of aggressiveness? I love it! I know he's been hampered by his healing injury but you could also see a lameness to him, getting pushed around under the basket, fumbling balls and having me screaming both Swedish and English profanities at the screen. I so yearned to see some aggressiveness and a mean streak, 'cause I knew he'd be a total dominator down low. Lo and behold... I'm still biting my nails, fearing another injury, 'cause this always happens when he starts to roll, but as I bitch and complain so much when things aren't to my liking I sure need to acknowledge and praise Bynum's recent play. Way to go kiddo! I also think he's brought the entire team with him. It's contagious you know.

THE BIG PURPLE MACHINE IS ROLLING! Tremble you fools!

Too early to tell with Pau.

He was not on track for the Hall, and then came to the Lakers where he actually has a chance.

The number of people voting for Rambis is LOL.

And not voting for McAdoo? LOL

Sorry, but once you're an MVP in the NBA, you're pretty much a shoo-in. He has more of right to the Hall than Nash - only MVP in league history to NEVER go to the finals.... and they gave him Kobe's award not once, but twice.

Horry is definitely one where you can make a case - the sheer number of titles and clutch shots.

Green, I'd normally say no way - but the guy was the Iron Man of the league, and that's worth something.

Dick Barnett was a forward? I never saw him play anything but guard after the Knicks acquired him. Pretty lame poll, if you ask me.

Tim: Good to see your words; it's been awhile since I've been on.

Anyway, why wouldn't you vote Rambis? This is the mythical Lakers hall, not the actual thing. Rambis was largely the heart and soul and glue of those 80s superteams. It's the same reason I would vote yes on Fisher. He's kept these current Lakers together as a team and that means more than any stat.

A real HOFer? Of course not. A Lakers HOFer? I would say undeniably.

...And Pau's a shoo-in. He's the greatest PF the Lakers have had, skill-wise, and he was the missing link that gave us two championships (and counting). No, that wasn't a dig at his looks.

;-)

Artest has the best hands in the NBA. First Team Defense!!!!!!! The man is a beast; just watch him play defense and nothing else. He is amazing!


@LakerTom

I will also give myself a pat on the back for being a Bynum supporter! If he continues to play with the energy, determination, and hops of late......

“Bynum IS OUR Future”

He has the reverse roll that I wish Shaq would have accepted in his last years here. I always felt Shaq should have recognized it was Kobe’s time to be the man and they could have won a couple more. With Bynum I think he is realizing that it isn’t his time to be the man but that will come and he will already have 3 or 4 rings.

As Kobe winds down his career we will have the emergence of another Super Star in Bynum to carry Kobe to a couple of more rings. Bynum ends up with 6 rings or more like Kareem and Kobe ends up with possibly 8 or more.

I love being a Laker Fan; the only problem is they ruined it for my other favorite teams. With expectations so high and so consistent why would I want to waste my time, energy, and passion on losers like the Raiders?

Jester,

Hope P-town is treating you nicely assuming you're still out that way.

Okay, so I never actually read the parameters of the voting... LOL. I've been doing it all wrong the whole time. :-)

Karl Malone was very important to the team in 04. If he stays healthy in the finals, we win. Bottom line.

So... viewing the hall of Lakers lore, then perhaps I have to give Rambis more credit. He's been a valuable asset to the team... McAdoo got us at least one title. And yeah, B Scott would be in, Cooper would be in... and on this list, I'd probably put Ceballos on the squad. But, they sort of need to give me a max to vote for. How many forwards could we put on a hypothetical team?

This was written:

This message was posted here numerous times by members of the blog...Now Ron Ron is saying the same...Will you doubters/haters listen now???

Posted by: LEWSTRS | March 09, 2011 at 10:13 AM

my response: Nope. Allow me to clarify.

I question his having wide hips and being knock-kneed.

I question how long he will be defensive minded.

I reserve judgment until these two questions are answered to my
satisfaction.

Many people are putting our success squarely on Bynum's shoulders
and giving no props to Pearson's defensive scheme or the other player's
collective focus. It would be nice if y'all would be fair about it.

Perhaps that's too much to ask for Bynum supporters?

In any case, I'm glad that Bynum has finally realized that his defense is the
most important aspect of his game as related to winning championships.
I will support him as long as he is a Laker. Assuming that he continues to
focus on defense instead of offense, I will climb on the Bynum bandwagon.
Next year.

These words have been officially approved by the Hobbit consortium.

Now where's my Vodka?

Before the Lake Havasu break down, the guy from Fullerton State was actually the best player on the team... and team captain

Mikan was the league's first superstar. He should be in EVERY teams Hall of Fame, just on general principals. He is the reason there is a league at all.

Horry got robbed, be even I vacillated until I finally decided to count him in.

Ceballos is getting the Pete Rose treatment, obviously. Because right up until that water ski trip, he was the next best thing since sliced bread.

Gasol should be in, but maybe not a first timer. He should make it on his next vote.

That's my $.02

--FEARless

For some reason Mikan's rookie season is a little fuzzy to me. Maybe because it was 40 years before I was born.


OK so J Wilkes played for the Warriors as well, but his Laker career was stellar and featured his dominating the game rookie Magic Johnson played center, guard and forward to win the CHip against Philly.

That and the fact that he's without a doubt the most gracious gentleman you'd ever care to meet.

Before the Lake Havasu break down, the guy from Fullerton State was actually the best player on the team... and team captain

Posted by: Tim-4-Show

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Thanks, Tim. I meant Cedric "Lake Havasu" Ceballos. It was Cal State Fullerton, though. Just sayin'.

I do agree about his contributions to the Sedale Threatt Era. He did a fine job until his burn was cut for the greatest PG in the history of mankind. I would've packed up for The River, too.

DBDH!

I didn't vote for Pau because he has only played 3 seasons here. Maybe at the end of his career I would vote for him, but not right now. I didn't vote for Odom or Horry either because they are/were good role players, not HOFers.

Not sure why more people didn't vote for McAdoo or Happy. Wilkes not getting in would be tragic. If he doesn't get in, we should start calling him baby Mikan.

Only 82% for Elgin Baylor? What the hell is going on around here? I don't check in for a couple weeks and THIS is what happens?

VMan, I went to a YMCA Jamaal Wilkes basketball camp when I was like nine years old and I started shooting that crazy 20-foot layup over the head shot for a couple years.

Dude was awesome.


Tim, YOU MUST OBEY MY RULES. ;-)

I totally voted for Ced too. Maybe I'm just lenient. I wasn't thinking in terms of creating a "team" per se. Nor was I thinking about great players who were Lakers. More like great Lakers who were players, if that makes sense.

But I kinda like this team idea. I'm gonna run with it, include a bench and go 15-deep.

My off-the-cuff Lakers HOF Team, then:

Starters:

PG: Magic
SG: Kobe
SF: Worthy
PF: Gasol
C: Kareem

Second Team:

PG: Van Exel
SG: West
SF: Wilkes
PF: Baylor
C: The Stilt

Third team:

PG: Fish
SG: Ed-die, Ed-die
SF: Spring Break Ceballos
PF: The Virgin
C: Mikan

Portland is good, by the way. Thanks! A bit wet for my taste but at least the Lakers are finally winning here (since I stopped attending the games...it was, apparently, all my fault.)

Jesterguru -

I love Pau Gasol and you're one of my favorite posters, but you're out of your damn mind if you put The Spaniard ahead of the great Elgin Baylor! Otherwise, nice list, even if I would put Shaq ahead of Mikan. (I know, I know, the blasphemy!)

Posted by: Jesterguru | March 09, 2011 at 02:34 PM

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PG = Point Guard = Pau Gasol.

ricky would be extremely disappointed in you.

#bicepkiss

This was written:

This message was posted here numerous times by members of the blog...Now Ron Ron is saying the same...Will you doubters/haters listen now???

Posted by: LEWSTRS | March 09, 2011 at 10:13 AM


JUST two games .. HOW about if Bynum delivers for the entire season and PLUS the post season day in and day out, CAN HE?

So we wait, tik tok tik tok...

BANDWAGIONEERS are too quick to go giddy up.. We all want Bynum to deliver on potentials that lakers management and his mentor Kareem saw in Bynum. ABOUT TIME!!

Luke Walton's name is really there?

I need an optometrist...

Puddle: You're right, of course. I should get over it. The Shaqtus slides in at PF on the third team with apologies to AC. ;-)

Posted by: Magic Phil | March 09, 2011 at 02:51 PM

NO a shot in the arm!

Where's Mark Madsen's name?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

*repost*

LEWSTERS:

What are you tell us that only you recognized Bynum's talent? Most of the bloggers saw first hand as to how good Bynum is but were frustrated by his a) immaturity and b) injuries. When Bynum was drafted some of us even went to summer league to see him play at Long Beach, did you?. I don't remember you bloggin about Bynum 5 years ago? I understand that you want to take credit for something we all know but you insist by repeating your self about Bynum. Please tell us something that we don't know instead of sounding like a broken record.

Happy trails!

Posted by: IFA | March 09, 2011 at 11:09 AM

LEWSTERS,
"Will you doubters/haters listen now???"

Dude, will you ever listen? Most doubters never doubted his abilities when healthy, they doubted his ability to stay healthy for a full season. Big difference. I would love to be wrong and see Bynum have a long and healthy career, and finally shed that injury prone label. A few weeks of dominant basketball does not mean his injury prone label is gone, not even close. Let's
just cross our fingers and hope his knee and achilles issues are behind him.

By the way, the doubters having been saying for years that Bynum should not be concerned about his touches on offense, and he should focus primarily on defense and rebounding, while the Bynum lovers wanted him to get more touches, some even wanted him to get more touches than Gasol. Will you listen now???

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | March 09, 2011 at 10:35 AM

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Will I listen now? HAHAHAHAHA...ROFLMFAO

Since this summer and till the ASB, I have had to endure and read all the crap from the chicken littles, the negative, the doubters/haters, and the fickle...All the negative and sometimes hateful posts about Andrew Bynum...I had to look at stupid stats, opinions, quotes, trade scenarios, etc...about him...Laker Tom, 888, myself and a few others got attacked, criticized and laughed at defending the kid...Did we get a memory lapse here...we had days and days of AB as the topic...Ask yourself or try to remember what stance you took during those months...honesty is the best policy...

As I figured, now AB has turned it around, these same people are now going to jump on the bandwagon, or do a Laker Truth post where they backtrack and say, "we never doubted his ability."

Well if you didn't why write all the things you did...Because you had to jump on the hate Laker Tom/888/CCX bandwagon???

So you were wrong in your opinion and assessment . Just man up and I said I was wrong about AB...the practice season, the Lakers attitude, whatever...just man up...

But to me back pedaling and twisting your post, and being defensive, is worse than the post of doubt or for not keeping the faith to begin with...

Posted by: LEWSTRS | March 09, 2011 at 02:57 PM

Or just do what you do...

Log on with a different handle to save face...LOL

Posted by: LEWSTRS | March 09, 2011 at 02:58 PM

What...no Mark Lansberger on the list...rebound per minute Mark? Chick is frowning in his grave!

Will I listen now? HAHAHAHAHA...ROFLMFAO

Posted by: LEWSTRS | March 09, 2011 at 03:00 PM

Not only listening is an art but it also takes a great deal of courage to listen

But to me back pedaling and twisting your post, and being defensive, is worse than the post of doubt or for not keeping the faith to begin with...

Posted by: LEWSTRS | March 09, 2011 at 02:57 PM

Crime punishable by BANISHMENT. Please send your big brother MM a private email asking for bansishment!!

Crime punishable by BANISHMENT. Please send your big brother MM a private email asking for bansishment!!

Posted by: Deaf in Ears | March 09, 2011 at 03:13 PM

What is this "bansishment"?

>>>Comparing Luke to LO is a stretch since LO would be starting for 90% of the
>>>teams in the league.

I think it's a very reasonable comparison.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | March 09, 2011 at 12:26 PM
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LTLF,

No real comparison between LO and Walton…

Thru the 2007 season LO started 496 of the 510 games he played

Luke only started 73 of the 262 games he played in.

LO had averaged 15.8pts/8.4 reb in those 510 games. Very proven!

LO alleviated his game in the playoffs that year avg 19pts/13 reb. He was going against an perennial all-star Shawn Marion.

Luke had a disappointing playoff with his numbers dropping down to 7.2pts/4.2 rebs/2.6 asst while against James Jones and Boris Diaw.

In the clinching game 5....LO dropped 33pts/10reb and Luke checked in with 2pts/4rebs and fouled out!

I can’t believe you really are holding onto this position. But oh well. If you think Luke could've been equivalent to LO then more power to you.

Since this summer and till the ASB, I have had to endure and read all the crap from the chicken littles, the negative, the doubters/haters, and the fickle...All the negative and sometimes hateful posts about Andrew Bynum...I had to look at stupid stats, opinions, quotes, trade scenarios, etc...about him...Laker Tom, 888, myself and a few others got attacked, criticized and laughed at defending the kid...Did we get a memory lapse here...we had days and days of AB as the topic...Ask yourself or try to remember what stance you took during those months...honesty is the best policy...

Posted by: LEWSTRS | March 09, 2011 at 02:58 PM

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Lew,

That's the beauty of the archives. Maybe you should take a stroll down that lane and post some of your findings. It's kinda like the film session for players. The eye in the sky don't lie.

Jesterguru,

Mikan - 5 rings
Shaq - 3 rings
Wilt - 1 ring

I'm thinking you should adjust your centers slightly.

Its "Hall of Fame" not just "best at position."

Therefore, I think only those who were BOTH very, very good players AND did something really significant AFTER they retired should be considered.

So I did not vote for my man, Lamar, because he is still playing, and has not (yet) done enough off the court. I'm sure he will some day.

Elgin, Mitch, and Worthy fit the criteria now.

In a world of GHFers, who continually twist things around and misrepresent
what people say, a hobbit stands tall & sticks by his words.


Lewsters, feel free to go back through the archives and re-post my words.

[ biceps kiss ]

I have a question that maybe some GHFers can answer ...

If it's a stupid stat to show that Bynum grabbed 4 rebounds against
Chicago ... is it a stupid stat to show that Bynum grabbed 16 rebounds
against the Hawks?

GHFers, Come Get Some!

[ biceps kiss ]

Lew,

That's the beauty of the archives. Maybe you should take a stroll down that lane and post some of your findings. It's kinda like the film session for players. The eye in the sky don't lie.

Posted by: LRob | March 09, 2011 at 04:15 PM

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LRob - I won't waste my time on such petty stuff...I have written my stance, and as you can see we have more new handles, but we know who they are...are they that ignorant that we can't see this...lol

No man...I'm too stoked about our team and the rest of the season and the playoffs...No need to go on a vendetta to prove the GHE Club and the Toxic Triad were wrong...I knew manning up would be too much for them, it all falls into place of their character...I always use to laugh at people pulling post off archives to make a point...I feel you get a virtual personality after posting on a certain site for a while...I always try to express honesty, common courtesy, common sense, and professionalism, for I do care about my integrity...

My feelings and opinion have been known here since I started posting on the blog...People can take it or leave it...You said it your self, my stance about the Lakers have been unwavering...thanks brother...

Prayers to Mike Starr family, friends and fans.

Sea of Sorrow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbrANo-1QMQ

Deaf in Ears
Ouuuchy

What's next...At least I can give you props for a good imagination in coming up with new handles...(well ouuuchy was kinda weak)

LMAO

Clippers are leading the Celtics.

Go Clippers!!!

GO LAKERS!!!!

hobbit - well at least you put yourself in the right faction...lol

I have no urge what so ever to debate with you...I have seen other people do it with you, and I may as well just bang my head on a wall, then to go there...

No you have made your stance and opinions clear, and you're welcome to read my posts to see mine...

In closing, (and I won't go back an cut and paste to back up my statement, that's your thing) but you did post just not too long ago..."Andrew Bynum can't rebound..."

It's up to your conscience to admit that or not...Please do not come back at me with - *my response* and a post long as book, with stats and old posts...but if that's what turns you on...go for it...

Like you I have to options with all post...

Read it...or scroll by it...

[wife kiss] I'm not in love with myself like you...lol

Since he is not here to defend himself...

I really take offense to people taking shots at Mark Medina...criticize is fine, but to insult and to belittle and disrespect is another thing...

If you went to a party and didn't like the host is throwing it, well then leave...it's not your house, it's his...and his party...

Try to remember Mark puts a lot of effort into his job, and he tries to accommodate us all...so cut the dude some slack...

So if he bans you, why get a different handle to instigate...it seems you are just trying to be a party crasher...or you just can't take no for an answer...which comes back to your virtual personality...(see my post at 4:52)

Hey, Dick Barnett was NOT a forward. Well, OK, they do LIST him as "G-F" on the roster, but he mostly played as a shooting guard for the Lakers.

But anyway, he really doesn't belong on the "Forward" list. He was a very good GUARD, though, and a fun and exciting player to watch back then.

He was where Chick Hearn got one of his first "Chick-isms" from. Barnett's jump shot featured a slight lean-back as he squared up and Dick then tucking his feet back up behind him at the height of his jump and upon landing dropping back to play "D", because he was so sure it was going in, hence "Fall-back, Baby!"

Clippers up by 18 over the Celtics.

Go Clippers!!!

GO LAKERS!!!!

LEWSTRS,

"If you went to a party and didn't like the host is throwing it, well then leave...it's not your house, it's his...and his party..."

Excellent point.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

@bronxlakerfan: "Dick Barnett was a forward? I never saw him play anything but guard after the Knicks acquired him. Pretty lame poll, if you ask me."

I didn't see your earlier post, but as you can see from mine from a couple minutes ago, I am in 100% agreement. I remember Dick from his Laker years, and Barnett MIGHT have played a few nominal minutes as a forward for the Lakers, but really only in a 3-guard situation. I'll bet he didn't log 100 minutes up front in any season with the Lakers (or the Knicks, for that matter).


Kleenex, has announced that they've just singed a multi-year endorsement deal with LBJ, Wade, and Botch.

also from the Still-Beating-a-Dead-Horse Department:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByUOFV5TusE

been reading the crap in here and there are some people who call themselves lakers fans who apparently cheer when one of their own are injured, who have no patience with a certain young and talented center on the team and don't understand he's healing from injuries, who have no appreciation for luke walton despite the admirable job he did in barnes absence, who use ridiculous statistics to support their negative viewpoints, who call the most talented 7 footer in the world gasoft, and who actually criticize phil jackson's coaching methods, etc, etc. there are others who really are fans and stick by these champions through thick and thin, although there really hasn't been any thin to speak of compared to 29 other teams the last 2 seasons that this outside observer can put his finger on. i guess winning championships and having a little patience and faith isn't what happens in lakerland. wow! i'm glad i root for da bulls cuz in chi-town, we have some appreciation!

Samaki Walker is not amused by the fact that he wasn't included on this list.

I'm ashamed to say that "outside observer for chi-town" is right...

Laker Fans are like the spoiled rich girls I dated in high school...After getting home and finding a brand new VW Rabbit in their driveway for their 16th birthdat ...instead of being happy and thankful, they throw a fit for it wasn't a Convertible VW Rabbit...

I rode home on my ten speed bike, (put together from 3 different bikes) thinking there is something very wrong there...

Through 65 games: la lakers record 2009-2010 season compare to this year.

2009-2010 = 47-18
2010-2011 = 46-19

Pretty identical, huh... I thought it was way too different..


Through 65 games: la lakers record 2009-2010 season compare to this year.

2009-2010 = 47-18
2010-2011 = 46-19

Pretty identical, huh... I thought it was way too different..


And we know how last season has ended, right?

Lew,

No problem. I feel you.

But I must admit I do like the archives for instances like this. Somewhere I know MVP is smiling because he also was unwavering.

But let's not forget we're all Laker fans and want the best for the team. Some of us just have different views and ways of expressing it. Like you said, I would love to see more people admit they were wrong ocassionally....like Truth did earlier about Theo's signing.

LRob, how is it again that you can search the archives here? Do you just google the blog and the particular poster you're interested in?

"Cedric Ceballos"????

WTF??? - a talented athlete who carried more "cancer" than "character". What exactly did he take the Lakers to? OH...here it is...with Cedric Ceballos the Lakers went exactly NOWHERE...or if you prefer it spelled out phonetically..."NO WHERE". Overall he went to ONE NBA Finals - in his 2nd year in the league as a very fine 6th man for the Phoenix Suns.

Biggest L.A. Laker accomplishment? That's easy - he was part of the trade that brought Robert Horry to the Lakers.

@Mark G - Cry Me a River ....classic.

As far as the archives go....see to the right of the posts...under recent post, recent comments, categories...there is an archive section. You click on the month you want to scan. Or above that is a Laker Girl profile or Blog profile. You can click on that and it might take you closer to the date you're looking for.


@hobbit or anyone else - is there an easier way than I described? Is there a way to go directly to a specific date? Thanks in advance.

@JonK "Clippers up by 18 over the Celtics.

Seriously??

WOW!

Hope they can hold on. Definitely like Mo over Baron. Much more solid, consistent player.

Phil softened his stance on the Heat after his comment yesterday about "not crying". This is classic Phil...


"It took them four years to win a championship with that team," Jackson said, reminding reporters that Lakers team didn't break through and win a title until 1972 against Jackson's New York Knicks. "I don't expect this Miami team will take that long."


http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6199291

@NewSc2 "Samaki Walker is not amused by the fact that he wasn't included on this list."

But your comment is pretty damned funny. Still, I won't soon forget Samaki's key half-court, pre-half-time "3" from...from...well, it was a BIG play-off game and they really needed it, whenever it was. And even though the clock might have actually expired just before he let it go...not his fault they didn't have today's review rules.

WOW! It WAS HUGE - that was Game 4 vs. Sacramento in the 2002 - the game with Horry's memorable 3 pointer at the buzzer to win 100-99. Yeah, so even though Samaki didn't do a whole lot with the Lakers during his two seasons he is still a significant part of the team's historical legacy. Because, you know, "RINGS!!"

Well, I finally voted, and I found myself overcome with sentimentality, so I voted for a ridiculous total of EIGHT players(in no particular order):

Baylor, Gasol, Hairston, Horry, Worthy, Wilkes, LaRusso, & Odom.

If I tried to order them it would be tough between Worthy and Baylor at #1. Gasol would be in there right behind and might join them after a couple more seasons. Odom, Wilkes and Hairston are in the next group. LaRusso is in there for being a smart, tough, Ivy-League son-of-a-gun from the early L.A. days of the franchise. Horry would be there because, well, because he always seemed to be "there" during all but his last season here in L.A.

I still had to stifle the urge to also vote for(again, no particular order) McAdoo, McMillan, Rambis, M.Thompson, Rick Fox, AC Green, Vern Mikkelsen, and Clyde Lovellette - I never saw Mikkelsen play and only saw Lovellette in his post-Laker years with the Royals, Hawks and his final wind-down years with the Celtics.

Also, why wasn't Jim Chones on the list? You found a place for Donny Ford and Slava, but not Jimmy Chones? It
s not that I would place him in a Lakers HOF, but his contributions to the 1st title of the Magic Johnson era were quite significant and he did them mostly as a power-forward, although he was also Kareem's primary back-up as well. He did a great job in 79-80, particularly in negating Darryl Dawkins in the finals.

WOW! big win by the Hornets. All we have to do is to win against Miami and knock off the Dallas to be on the 2nd spot!


GO LAKERS!

Clearly, selecting a Lakers Hall of Fame is a responsibility that can't be entrusted to the public at large. You can hate Shaq all you want for the way he left, but he anchored a team that won three straight titles, and won three straight Finals MVP awards in the process. He belongs. George Mikan was the NBA's first dominant center, and anchored FIVE championship teams (including a three-peat) when the franchise was in Minneapolis in the 1950s.

If Shaq and Mikan don't make the list at center, Michael Cooper, Norm Nixon, Byron Scott, and Gail Goodrich don't make the list at guard, and Jamaal Wilkes and Pau Gasol don't make the list at forward, then this entire process is an invalid sham and has no legitimacy whatsoever. Any REAL Laker fan with competent knowledge of the NBA and the franchise's history agrees with me on this.

I agree with several statements that voters have very limited knowledge of Lakers history. No way you can ignore Happy Hairston, Jim McMillan, Jamal Wilkes and Tommy Hawkins in the Lakers Hall of Fame. What about Clyde Lovelette, who is actually in the Naismith Hall of Fame and was part of the great Lakers teams of the '50s?

This is really a shame. Apparently we have very few students of NBA history partaking in these polls.

-To Jesterguru: Elgin Baylor was a small forward, not PF.
- To those who didn't vote for Shaq (HOF center poll), his playing for Celtics has no barring on his work as a Laker.
- To those who didn't vote for Mikan (HOF center poll) I never saw him play, however I know how to do a little research, especially in this information age and with a link right here in the Times
-To the writer of this article: Dick Barnett played shooting guard, not forward (I saw him play)

How could you forget Glenn Rice

I didn't vote for "actives" so I went Elgin, Big Game James and Jamaal.


Honorable mention to guys who held down the forward spot solidly, but not spectactularly, over the years. Tommy Hawkins. Rudy LaRusso. Happy Hairston. Jimmy McMillan. Rambis. AC. Foxy.


McAdoo is a Hall of Fame player, but maybe a little short on time served in LA, and he played a lot of center.


Vern Mikkelson may deserve it for his role on 5 champs. I just don't know.

Gave a Honorable mention vote for Don Ford - without him Big Game James doesn't come here.

>>>No real comparison between LO and Walton…
>>>
>>>Thru the 2007 season LO started 496 of the 510 games he played
>>>
>>>Luke only started 73 of the 262 games he played in.

DID YOU NOT READ MY POST AT ALL?!?!??!?!

I was NOT comparing the real world Luke to the real world Lamar.

I was suggesting that in some alternate reality where Luke actually had the capacity for staying healthy, he would now be getting the same kind of love that Lamar is getting.

I didn't say Luke is as good as Lamar. I didn't even say Luke could be as good as Lamar.

Why do people keep reading things into my statement that I clearly didn't say.

If I say, "Luke wears the same brand of shoes as LeBron", that is NOT the same as saying "Luke is as good as LeBron".

The original point was that if Luke had stayed healthy, and had continued to play at the level he played at in 2006-07, then the fact that he was getting a reasonably high number of assists and rebounds, while hitting nearly 40% of his 3's would make people view Luke as something similar to Lamar - a super sub who can come off the bench and give you a little bit of everything.

Clearly, Luke DIDN'T STAY HEALTHY. AND HE DIDN'T CONTINUE PUTTING UP THOSE STATS. SO PEOPLE DON"T CURRENTLY PUT HIM IN THE SAME CLASS AS LAMAR.

Sorry for the shouting. Did I make myself clear? Or is someone else going to say "But Lamar is almost 7 feet tall and athletic, while Luke isn't - clearly there's no comparison".

>>>Luke had a disappointing playoff with his numbers dropping down to
>>> 7.2pts/4.2 rebs/2.6 asst while against James Jones and Boris Diaw.

And this is where stats don't tell the whole story.

If you'll remember correctly Luke got injured that season and never fully recovered.

As weak as that team seemed, before Luke got injured on January 26, the Lakers record was 27-15. Not first place in the Pacific or anything, but a good record. If the Lakers could have kept up that pace, they would have finished 52-30, which would have been good enough for the 4 seed in the West.

Luke came back a couple months later but was never fully recovered. For the last few games of the season and the playoffs, he didn't play as well as he had for the first half of the season (and never really has since).


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