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Looking at the Lakers' other triple-overtime games

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Every player is going to have differing lasting images of the Lakers' 139-137 triple overtime win Tuesday over the Phoenix Suns.

Lakers guard Kobe Bryant will cherish dampening the Suns' slim playoff hopes, just one example of avenging the Lakers' first-round losses to Phoenix in 2006 and 2007. Lakers forward Lamar Odom will forever remember the foul he committed on Channing Frye that gave him three free throws to force overtime. Lakers forward Pau Gasol will cherish the two free throws he hit to force a third overtime. Lakers forward Ron Artest will likely remember the air kisses and muscle poses he demonstrated after hitting key baskets. And Lakers guard Shannon Brown will remember the immediate aftermath involving playing knockout with knockout with representatives from Budweiser, as part of a Lakers' sponsored event.

The Lakers' fifth triple overtime affair since moving to Los Angeles in 1960 also conjures up reflections on the other four contests.

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Dec. 29, 2006: Lakers' 133-124 triple-overtime loss to Charlotte Bobcats

Coach Phil Jackson sent a warning to his team that proved both tongue-in-cheek and a telling omen.

"Don't pack yourself along with your bags," he told his players, as reported by The Times' Mike Bresnhan, in reference to a game against the nondescript Charlotte Bobcats on the last stop of a six-game trip. But the advice seemingly went unheeded.

Kobe Bryant surely did his part, scoring 58 points on 22-for-45 shooting, the second-highest shot total of his career and one shy of the 46 shots he took while scoring a career-high 81 points the previous season against Toronto. There was really no need to fret over Bryant's fatigue even if it did spur a drop in his shooting after he started 16 for 27 from the field, or even dissect his missed 26-foot three-pointer as time expired in regulation. Jackson put most of the blame on Kwame Brown, who had three turnovers in the third overtime.

"We're going to feed [Brown] Butterfingers on the flight home just so he can feel the effects of it," Jackson told reporters. "There was certainly some disappointment in the ability, or non-ability, of Kwame to complete plays that we thought were big plays for us. His teammates are disappointed. He just has to accept the fact that the next time he gets that chance, he doesn't [fumble]."

Here were the plays that made the Lakers and Jackson so upset: Brown dropped a pass in the post from Bryant that could have led to an easy basket. He was later called for an offensive foul. And then he fumbled a pass down low from Luke Walton. Instead of taking responsibility, however, Brown blamed the Lakers' pick-and-roll defense.

"It's sad that you've got to say we won or lost that game over a fumble," said Brown, who sustained a slightly sprained right wrist when he fell to the court in the first quarter. "The second pass wasn't even catchable."

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Jan. 29, 1980: Lakers' 154-153 quadruple-overtime loss to Cleveland Cavaliers

The Lakers' team motto was written on the locker room chalkboard: "Never surrender, no matter the odds." It took three hours 17 minutes for the Lakers to realize that motto doesn't always work. It also wasn't exactly how the Lakers had envisioned they would open a five-game trip, having to use all of their energy in one game. Things turned out all right, with the Lakers finishing the trip 4-2, but the immediate feelings afterward focused on the team's energy level.

"It was exhausting," interim Coach Paul Westhead told reporters. "We're just totally spent, and to come up with a loss. ... The guys played very hard and lost, so there's no consolation."

The Lakers' inconsistency only prolonged the game. The first half of regulation consisted of what The Times' Scott Ostler argued to be "absolutely their worst half of the season," thanks to 23 turnovers that led to 23 Cleveland points. The second half proved a much different story. The Lakers overcame an 11-point deficit and had a three-point advantage after three quarters, a lead that ballooned to 14 with 6:51 left in regulation. The Lakers could have held on for the win had Norm Nixon's jumper gone in with 16 seconds remaining.

He made up for the miss in the first overtime, however. Nixon's drive with 16 seconds remaining and Michael Cooper's steal that led to a jumper with seven seconds remaining forced an extra session. The second overtime featured Kareem Abdul-Jabbar making two of three free throws to tie the score, though he couldn't convert on a layin off an inbounds pass with one second left. He opened the third overtime with a shot that bounced off the backboard, but his basket in the paint on the Lakers' last possession extended the game to a fourth overtime.

The Lakers appeared close to a win, nursing a five-point lead with 1:47 left in the fourth session, but the Cavaliers scored six unanswered points. Nixon's layup that was ruled goaltending with five seconds remaining could have clinched the victory, but Jim Chones committed a foul with two seconds remaining on Mike Mitchell, who made both free throws to secure the win.

"I'm spent, I'm just hollow-eyed," Cleveland Coach and former Lakers assistant Stan Albeck told reporters. "That's the best basketball game I've ever been involved with from an entertainment standpoint."

Feb. 1, 1969: Lakers' 122-117 triple-overtime loss to San Francisco Warriors

A sign of how times have changed: The Times' Mal Florence reported that an unidentified person reported that a bomb had been planted inside the Forum, but members of the L.A. fire and police departments did not begin searching the premises until after the game. The news itself was buried in the game story several paragraphs into a page inside the sports section, though at least the headline made mention of the scare. No bomb was found.

Bomb scare or not, it proved hard enough for both the Lakers and Warriors to focus, and the teams had played each other the night before. The Lakers were also playing their third game in three nights. The fatigue surely kicked in for the Lakers, who wasted an 84-77 lead with two minutes left in regulation. After the Lakers led for most of the first two overtimes, they squandered numerous opportunities.

John Eagan traveled twice, including one that led to San Francisco forcing overtime on the next possession. With the Lakers holding a 99-97 lead with 40 seconds left in the first overtime, Elgin Baylor was called for a carry. That set up ex-Laker Rudy LaRusso's hook shot that forced a second overtime. With the Lakers nursing a 108-105 lead with 1:10 left in the second overtime, Eagan failed to get the ball past halfcourt before 10 seconds elapsed. Though Baylor's two free throws moments later gave the Lakers a 110-108 lead, the Warriors' Bobby Lewis drove the baseline uncontested to tie the score with 18 seconds remaining. On the next possession, Baylor couldn't get a good look over LaRusso, leading to a third overtime.

Florence wrote that the Warriors clinched the game with 45 seconds left in the third overtime when LaRusso drove around Baylor and scored on a short jumper. Even though the Lakers still had a chance to win, facing a 120-117 deficit with 21 seconds remaining, Keith Erickson was called for traveling. The loss snapped the Lakers' five-game winning streak and trimmed their Western Division lead to 3 1/2 games over Atlanta

Lakers' 151-147 win Dec. 8, 1961 to the Philadelphia Warriors.

Somehow, someway the Lakers managed to absorb Wilt Chamberlain's 78 points, a precursor to his 100-point performance nearly three months later.

Chamberlain's performance, which was later broken by Bryant when he scored 81 points Jan. 22, 2006 against Toronto, came on 31 of 62 shooting and 16 free throws, showing that very little could stop The Stilt. That season, Chamberlain averaged 50.4 points in 45 minutes, becoming the only player to crack the 4,000 point mark. Chamberlain's performance also broke Elgin Baylor's 71-point performance that was an NBA record just a month earlier. 

-- Mark Medina

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Top photo: Lakers forward Ron Artest, right, and guard Kobe Bryant celebrate following Artest's slam dunk during the closing seconds of the Lakers' 139-137 triple-overtime victory Tuesday over the Phoenix Suns at Staples Center. Credit: Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times

Middle photo: The Lakers couldn't handle the Charlotte Bobcats in triple overtime nearly 4 1/2 years ago. Credit: Chuck Burton / AP

Bottom photo: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Magic Johnson celebrated after winning the 1980 NBA championship. That season featured the Lakers losing 154-153 Jan. 29, 1980 in quadruple overtime against the Cleveland Cavaliers. Credit: Associated Press / June 20, 1980

 
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Kobe Da Man!

He made 3 out of five threes and V. Carter only made 2 out of 13.

Kobe on his way to catching Carter for Career three pointers.

At this pace he will catch and or surpass Carter in 12-14 games!

Oh Yeah!!!!!!

Los Soles Suck!

They just wouldn't go down like the punks they are!

I was so amped last night, that I didn't get to bed till 12:00 and had to get up at 4 a.m. to get ready for work!

Man, I am so tired!
But it was all so worth it to see Kobiashi, Doin' Work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Answers to the question posted at: 3:10 pm:

In ascending order of "ballhog-iness":

3. Dwyane Wade/Kobe Bryant - tied. 0.73 shot attempts/minute
2. LeBron James - 0.74 shot attempts/minute
1. Michael Jordan - 0.82 shot attempts/minute

My definition of shot attempts/minute - (Field Goals Attempted + Free Throws Attempted)/(Minutes played)

Isn't that interesting? Our resident "ballhog" actually is less trigger-happy than LBJ or the GOAT (MJ)*

* For me, the GOAT is KAJ. As many rings as MJ, but better stats/longevity.

Posted by: any_one_mouse | March 23, 2011 at 03:32 PM

Answers to the question posted at: 3:10 pm:

In ascending order of "ballhog-iness":

3. Dwyane Wade/Kobe Bryant - tied. 0.73 shot attempts/minute
2. LeBron James - 0.74 shot attempts/minute
1. Michael Jordan - 0.82 shot attempts/minute

My definition of shot attempts/minute - (Field Goals Attempted + Free Throws Attempted)/(Minutes played)

Isn't that interesting? Our resident "ballhog" actually is less trigger-happy than LBJ or the GOAT (MJ)*

* For me, the GOAT is KAJ. As many rings as MJ, but better stats/longevity.

Posted by: any_one_mouse | March 23, 2011 at 03:32 PM

"I like to see everybody involved in the game," Jackson said. "I've tried to preach as a basketball coach, even though we have a guy that dominates the ball in Kobe, basketball is not a one on one game — it's a team game."

This is a universal message, applies to any TEAM sport, and applies to anyone regardless of 0.73, 0.73 or 0.90 period or if you are playing a pick game at Venice beach. Although, at Venice beach the team mates would walk out on the ballhog. Please tell me Phil Jackson is wrong and Kobe is perfect?

This was written:

"I like to see everybody involved in the game," Jackson said. "I've tried to preach as a basketball coach, even though we have a guy that dominates the ball in Kobe, basketball is not a one on one game — it's a team game."

This is a universal message, applies to any TEAM sport, and applies to anyone regardless of 0.73, 0.73 or 0.90 period or if you are playing a pick game at Venice beach. Although, at Venice beach the team mates would walk out on the ballhog. Please tell me Phil Jackson is wrong and Kobe is perfect?

Posted by: downNout in BH | March 23, 2011 at 04:13 PM


Isn't this where we talk about ... Who's watching Kobe and who's cutting/
moving without the ball?

However, let's cut to the chase!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199806140UTA.html

MJ shot the ball 35 times vs. Luc Longley shooting the ball 1 time. That's
ONE STINKIN' TIME! Less we think bad thoughts ... on a team with
Scottie Pippen, Steve Kerr & Ron Harper ... MJ had 1 assist. That's ONE
STINKIN' ASSIST!

fwiw,

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kerrst01.html

Kerr had been in the league ~ 9 years, was shooting 45% and 43% from the 3.


Could some one please tell MJ, during his next motivational speech, that
basketball is a team game? He seems to have forgotten it on his way to 6
championships, the mantel of G.O.A.T. & his entrance into the HOF.

MJ shot the ball 35 times vs. Luc Longley shooting the ball 1 time. That's
ONE STINKIN' TIME! Less we think bad thoughts ... on a team with
Scottie Pippen, Steve Kerr & Ron Harper ... MJ had 1 assist. That's ONE
STINKIN' ASSIST!...Could some one please tell MJ, during his next motivational speech, that basketball is a team game? He seems to have forgotten it on his way to 6 championships, the mantel of G.O.A.T. & his entrance into the HOF. Posted by: hobbitmage | March 23, 2011 at 04:30 PM
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Folks you are witnessing greatness! HobbitMage is on a Roll, you better recognize the man while he's here, before he goes back into hibernation again. In all sincerity I have to say this...HobbitMage you do damn good work sir...Carry On!

"Fisher did not hit a shot all night. Played terrible defense. Had 2 assists in 46 minutes. But his steal at the end won the game."

Posted by: S Perkins | March 23, 2011 at 03:06 PM

Hahahaha. That's the way I often see people spin it. He is graded on a very large curve.

Posted by: Bay to LA | March 23, 2011 at 03:43 PM

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People who understand the concept of "team" and who understand the NBA know how to "grade" Derek Fisher. So what if he didn't have an overall great game last night. His defense WAS instrumental to the Lakers win in OT. People who don't have a clue, like this troll S Perkins, couldn't grade a First Grade math test.

I defy you to name one tougher, more physical defender at his position in the NBA right now. I defy you to name one lead guard not named Magic Johnson or Ron Harper who has as many rings. I defy you to name a lead guard with more character and the ability to inspire his teammates in the NBA right now. I take that back. Another one played against the Lakers last night, but he IS the Phoenix Suns, not their fifth option. The third one is a young man in Chicago who will win the MVP award this season, not a role player who plays a position that is the least important position on his team's offense.

Derek Fisher is one of the greatest role players this game has ever seen. He defines the word "champion." For what he is asked to do and for what he has brought to the Lakers in his career, he gets an "A" .. curve or no curve.

Man, I am so tired! But it was all so worth it to see Kobiashi, Doin' Work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: Mr. Laker | March 23, 2011 at 03:59 PM
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Of course you are tired sir. Kobe works so hard that in just watching him "Doin work" we get tired. Well imagine how tired Kobe feels. But does he give in? Does he acknowledge his tiredness? Nooooooo! And why not? Because of his Love for Laker Nation and his desire to let you and I walk around every day with the Swagger, proud to be a part - if only a tiny part - of such an organization that can produce Kobe Bryants, big Game james, Kareem Abul Jabbars, Jerry Wests and yes even Pat Rileys!!!

Derek Fisher is one of the greatest role players this game has ever seen. He defines the word "champion." For what he is asked to do and for what he has brought to the Lakers in his career, he gets an "A" .. curve or no curve. Posted by: KobeMVP888 | March 23, 2011 at 04:41 PM
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WOW!!! WOW!!! That is Freakin Beautiful!!!!!!!!! Kudos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Derek was instrumental to last night's win. he came through when he was needed the most, forcing turnovers when stops were mandatory.

Kobe is nothing if not a team basketball player, even though he might overshoot from time to time. nobody's perfect. Kobe does, however lead his team, and has lead his team for years, in assists. Kobe is paid to score and to be a never ending threat to score. go Kobe, score some more, be aggressive. that's how the Lakers win and have won since PJ became head coach the first time.

sock puppets are lame, especially when they repeat another of the poster's persona's key lines. the only reason for sock puppets is to make it look like there are several people who all agree. when the persona's get mixed up, it just looks desperate.

Hey everyone. We're going to have a chat at 6:30 p.m. If some of you are watching the Magic-Knicks game, it'll be a perfect stop for halftime. It'll last until about 7:30 - 8

KobeMVP888,

You are correct, sir!

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

OK, I think I dotted all the i's and crossed all the t's...Now comes the hard part.

"People who understand the concept of "team" and who understand the NBA know how to "grade" Derek Fisher. So what if he didn't have an overall great game last night. His defense WAS instrumental to the Lakers win in OT. People who don't have a clue, like this troll S Perkins, couldn't grade a First Grade math test.

I defy you to name one tougher, more physical defender at his position in the NBA right now. I defy you to name one lead guard not named Magic Johnson or Ron Harper who has as many rings. I defy you to name a lead guard with more character and the ability to inspire his teammates in the NBA right now. I take that back. Another one played against the Lakers last night, but he IS the Phoenix Suns, not their fifth option. The third one is a young man in Chicago who will win the MVP award this season, not a role player who plays a position that is the least important position on his team's offense.

Derek Fisher is one of the greatest role players this game has ever seen. He defines the word "champion." For what he is asked to do and for what he has brought to the Lakers in his career, he gets an "A" .. curve or no curve.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | March 23, 2011 at 04:41 PM "

Every Laker was instrumental to winning last night's game. Even Luke was instrumental in his own way. Saying someone is instrumental doesn't necessarily mean they are better than the next guy or that they did something someone else couldn't have done. Anyone that logs time and is giving effort will have at least something they did on the court where you can look closely at it and see that it helped the team.

Toughness and physicality aren't traditional point guard traits. Otherwise we'd see more bruising point guards around the league. Ballhandling, playmaking, quickness, and outside shooting are the most important traits for a lead guard. Name some lead guards that don't have him beat in at least 3 of those 4 areas. I would choose Steve Blake in all 4.

No lead guard has more rings than Fisher does, I'll give you that, but if zero-ring players like Rose, Westbrook, Nash, Williams, or Paul are offered in exchange for Fisher, are you going to say no? Do you think the Lakers would be unable to win with guys like that? You need to be on strong teams to win rings, no lead guard has done it alone. No lead guard has been consistently blessed with the teammates that Fisher has had around him most of his career.

Why does D-Fish play 46 minutes and get 2 whole points, 3 rebounds , 2 assists, and 4 steals. It took him 7 quaters to put up those lousy #s while getting smoked by Steve Nash and getting posted up by everyone on the defensive switch.

Bay to LA,

Why do you think Riles & Lebron tried to convince DFish to join the Heat?

Is it a coincidence that the year Utah advanced the further in the post Stockton-Malone era was the year DFish was on the roster?

Matt Barnes should get a lot more playing time. He should be out there playing alongside Kobe and Artest. This will allow Kobe to cover guys like Nash, Rondo, & Westbrook, without D-Fish getting destroyed by guys like V Carter, R Allen, & T Sefolosha on the defensive switch.

1) Every Laker was instrumental to winning last night's game.

2) Toughness and physicality aren't traditional point guard traits.

3) No lead guard has more rings than Fisher does, I'll give you that, but if zero-ring players like Rose, Westbrook, Nash, Williams, or Paul are offered in exchange for Fisher, are you going to say no? Do you think the Lakers would be unable to win with guys like that? You need to be on strong teams to win rings, no lead guard has done it alone. No lead guard has been consistently blessed with the teammates that Fisher has had around him most of his career.

Posted by: Bay to LA | March 23, 2011 at 05:33 PM
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1) Duh. I said it's a team sport. Yet you choose to mock Derek Fisher, demean him and minimize his contributions.

2) Duh again. That's what makes him special in his role as the Lakers' lead guard. He handles the ball as well as any point guard in the league, but he's not a typical point guard. Phil Jackson even says that, not that the naked eye can't see it.

3) Derek Fisher is a role player. Robert Horry was a role player and he has 7 rings. Why must you demean Derek Fisher? Because he isn't as All-Star? If there was a place in the Basketball Hall of Fame reserved for the greatest role players to ever play the game, Fisher and Horry would be first ballot Hall of Famers for that section.

Yet you choose to jump on the bandwagon of a troll like S Perkins. Go figya.

MM

Great stuff. I love NBA history!

Why does D-Fish play 46 minutes and get 2 whole points, 3 rebounds , 2 assists, and 4 steals. It took him 7 quaters to put up those lousy #s while getting smoked by Steve Nash and getting posted up by everyone on the defensive switch.

Posted by: Page1 | March 23, 2011 at 05:37 PM

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Steve Nash IS the Phoenix Suns. He's a 2 time former MVP who still puts up the same numbers as his MVP seasons. Derek Fisher is a role player and the fifth option in the Lakers' offense.

HAVING SAID THAT, in 46 minutes of play, Derek Fisher had ZERO turnovers last night and 4 steals, both of which contributed to the Lakers' VICTORY. Meanwhile, Steve Nash, in 49 minutes of play, had SIX turnovers and ZERO steals and got stripped by Ron Artest with 1:55 left to play in the third overtime period in the Suns' LOSS.

Steve Nash played a remarkable, off the hook game last night. Make no mistake about that. He's a future First Ballot Hall of Famer and played like one. Derek Fisher did what he was supposed to do which was to take care of the ball and play tough, physical defense. He did NOT have a great game, but his team WON partially as a result of his effort.

Man, I am so tired! But it was all so worth it to see Kobiashi, Doin' Work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: Mr. Laker | March 23, 2011 at 03:59 PM

Not a sign of an intelligent person, as a leader Kobe should distribute the workload to ensure optimum production from his TEAM. His team mates are no slouches , get paid in millions, hand picked by experts, star in their own rights, and like Kobe are proven winners. The irony of it is that Kobe is so consumed with MJ's legacy that it has a negative effect on his output at times, this is when he pushes his team mates aside and seizes the center stage and goes into solo tap dancing act, like 81 points, while he huffs and puffs and battles his way through not one, not two, not three, not four but five players. We want to see a team game and not one on one, mano-a-mano, yawn! Kobe is a an enigma, he alone can disrupt the flow of the game by "dominating the ball" as noted by coaching great Phil. Please NO STATS!!!! If stats were the ultimate measurement of player's greatness then a player like Dfish would have not intrinsic value, simply cease to exist.


"Derek Fisher is one of the greatest role players this game has ever seen. He defines the word "champion." For what he is asked to do and for what he has brought to the Lakers in his career, he gets an "A" .. curve or no curve.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | March 23, 2011 at 04:41 PM"


I totally agree...people who get on him at this stage in his career...where have you been since 1996???? I remember him as the pudgy rookie, who obviously was not a skywalker, he could not shoot, he could not defend....he spent most of his first years trying to draw charges, often ending up being called for blocking, or no call and the opponent had open lane to the basket. Look, he wasn't blessed back then with the speed or skills of say D. Rose, or Rondo, but he hung in there, and I can remember rolling my eyes and thinking he needed to go. I remember he would always do the postgame interviews, and I thought he was just trying to earn points that way. It surely wasn't, he was a guy that cared about the game. he worked his way up to be president of the NBA player's association. He wasn't playing video games or partying from city to city. When he left the Laker's it wasn't for fame or glory, it was for family, the offer he received was too much to turn down. Commitment to his family. I hope Fisher will be a Laker for life, either in coaching, or in broadcasting, or in some role. The day that Kobe has his jersey(s) hung on the walls of the Staple's Center, you know who will be there speaking for him. Fisher himself may have his jersey on the wall as well. Think of the other great Lakers that are not up there...Cooper, AC, Rambis, B. Scott, Wilkes,....Fisher is the definition of a man who carries himself with class. 16 years of criticism and not once has he ever lashed out. If Fisher were not there with Kobe, then Kobe may have headed off into the wrong direction, as we have seen his flaws at times.

downNout in BH,

I'm not sure if you got my point. I wasn't trying to say Kobe was perfect. I was just trying to show that in comparison to his peers and the alleged GOAT, he actually shoots less. So if you want to label him selfish, you must think Wade, James and Jordan are worse:)

Also, I may be wrong here, but I think Phil's message was to the rest of the team. As in, just because 24 dominates the ball, it doesn't mean the rest of you should stand around and watch him. Run the offense to see if the ball finds you.

"Why does D-Fish play 46 minutes and get 2 whole points, 3 rebounds , 2 assists, and 4 steals. It took him 7 quaters to put up those lousy #s while getting smoked by Steve Nash and getting posted up by everyone on the defensive switch.

Posted by: Page1 | March 23, 2011 at 05:37 PM

It looked like Nash was struggling last night, so much he didn't even have time to sweat...his hair was still dry late in the game....
...about D-Fish....I don't think he did 7 "quater"s last night...

quater- A special event window licking mongs enjoy. No-one with an IQ above 6 is ever invited to enjoy a 'quater'. (Urban dictionary).

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Bay to LA,

Steve Blake does indeed trump Fish in all four of those traditional point guard traits, that is true. But, NO ONE in the NBA would choose Steve Blake over Fish in those late game situations.

Maybe they are all wrong and you are right? No one chose Steve Blake to lead the Players' Union did they?

How many rings does Blake have?

How many rings does any of these traditionally gifted point guards have? There are only two in the history of the game with more than Fish.

Derick Rose may NEVER win a championship with all his traditional talent.

Fish is about to win his sixth.

Nash? Zero.

Williams? Zilch.

Stockton? Nada.

CP3? Nil.

Dominant point guards are not the way to build championship teams. Or more of them would have championships. You seem to have conveniently forgotten that Magic Johnson was the exception. Actually, you can throw Isiah Thomas in there two, except he was more like Fisher than Magic, anyway.

The only other point guard to win a championship in the last four years also falls behind Steve Blake in raw point guard skills ratings. But, he is undeniably the best point guard for his team. That would be Rajon Rondo, who also can't sink a layup to save his life.

But, he has a ring and two Finals appearances, doesn't he?

You are absolutely correct in everything you say. But nothing you have said has anything to do with Championships. Here at the Lakers, we talk about Championships.

--FEARless

KobeMVP888, I said nothing demeaning about Derek Fisher in my post.

"Bay to LA,

Steve Blake does indeed trump Fish in all four of those traditional point guard traits, that is true. But, NO ONE in the NBA would choose Steve Blake over Fish in those late game situations.

Posted by: FEARless | March 23, 2011 at 09:59 PM
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Steve made some big shots when he got the chance this year. I can understand Fisher being put in for the end but I still think Blake would be better for the beginning.

As for the championships, I realize Derek Fisher is winning more rings than any other point guard but if you switch Chris Paul and Fisher, do the Hornets win a championship? How about if you put Fisher on the Nets instead of Deron Williams?

Based on the strengths and advantages the Lakers have over the other teams, they didn't need a dominant point guard to win. It doesn't mean they couldn't have been even better with someone else at that position.

the game on tuesday was a great game, it had me jumping out of my seat every body played well. looking forward to the game on friday vs clippers. lakers are gona take it.

I know, I know, dont feed the trolls. But, I have got quite a mouthful for bay to La, Sam Perkins, and the island priest.

Bay 2 LA, (great handle, BTW)...two words...salary cap. There isn't anyone as good all-around for his level of pay. And I don't mean just stats. There just aren't any other leaders of men to be had at his pay scale. There aren't that many leaders of men period, in the whole NBA, at any pay scale.

Both Golden State and Utah learned that Fish might not be able to replace their athletically gifted lead guards, but he sure could augment them to a degree they never could comprehend before he arrived. Fish is a role player who always plays his role with aplomb.

Utah HATES that he left. You don't develop feelings that strong for someone who's a scrub. I can't remember the movement of ANY other role player ever causing the kind of stir Fish did.

We don't crucify Trevor Ariza do we? If Shannon Brown just up and walked, we'd barely care. And this dude has amazing upside.

Having Fisher on your team makes your team better. He's one of those guys. Every team needs one, the Lakers have been blessed to continually find people like that.

Plus, every single guy you mentioned would HATE playing on this team. They might like the idea on paper, but this team already has two point men, LO and Kobe. Every one else just pitches in. Point guards do not like pitching in. They typically need the ball for 60% of every possession of every game to feel appreciated.

Like THAT's going to happen.

Sheesh!

--FEARless


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