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Lamar Odom making a case for sixth man of the year award

The concept still becomes difficult for Lakers forward Lamar Odom to grasp.

He remains in serious contention for winning the NBA's Sixth Man award, yet he acknowledged he'd never envision being in the running for such an honor in the first place after the Clippers selected him as the No. 4 pick in the 1999 NBA Draft. Even when the Lakers acquired him in 2004 from Miami as part of the Shaquille O'Neal trade, Odom didn't see this scenario happening. He was considered the Scottie Pippen type player to Kobe Bryant, but a failed playoff appearance that season and two first-round exits in 2006 and 2007 eventually spurred the Lakers to acquire Pau Gasol on Feb. 2008. That sent Odom to the bench, a permanent spot Coach Phil Jackson wanted him to embrace as the 2008-09 season opened.

"At first, it was hard for me," Odom said. "From a business standpoint, the year Phil wanted me to come off the bench was my free agent year. You know how that goes. When you're a free agent, you want to start and play as many minutes as you can. But it was the right decision."

It's hard to argue after two consecutive championships. That's why Odom waxed nostalgia about the support Kobe Bryant, Derek Fisher Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol have given him in accepting the bench spot. It's also why he if he receives the honor-- voted by 125 media members and announced at the beginning of the NBA playoffs - he plans to leave the award at the scorers table as a tribute to the fans at Staples Center who greet him with a loud reception when he enters the lineup.

Winning the sixth man award would represent the same reason why Jackson lobbied the Lakers' front office during uncertain contract negotiations with Odom during the 2009-offseason, why many consider Odom to be snubbed from this year's All-Star game and why he proved instrumental in the U.S. winning the 2010 FIBA World Championship for the first time in 16 years. The value he brings to the Lakers goes beyond the consistent numbers he's posted this season, including a third team-best 14.4 points and 8.8 rebounds per-game and a career-high 53.7% mark from the field assuming he maintains that pace for the final nine regular-season games. It's the way he changes the course of the games off momentum plays, adjusts to various positions on the floor and, more importantly, embraces a role he had once staunchly rejected.

"He's a guy willing to sacrifice for the team," Lakers forward Pau Gasol said. "He could put up bigger numbers if he was more selfish that way. But that's not what the team needs from him."

It's uncertain whether Odom will win the sixth man of the year award. There are others up for consideration after all. When the Lakers and Mavericks meet Thursday, a perhaps unfair barometer will be used on how Odom and Jason Terry go up against each other, two completely different players both Jackson and Odom say considering Terry is a guard expected to score and Odom is a forward expected to rebound. But it's still an intriguing storyline nonetheless, considering Terry averages a second team-best 6.4 points, 4.2 assists and 1.1 steals. And in an interesting twist, some Lakers wondered if his 34 starts during would penalize him, even though the only the criteria remains that he has to play more games off the bench.

In those 39 games as a reserve and 34 games as a starter, Odom seamlessly filled the same role. He plugged in the void the Lakers needed. He can focus on providing coast-to-coast dunks and layups and outlet passes, sparking the momentum plays he wants to provide off the bench. Or when Bynum missed the first 24 games when he rehabbed from his surgically repaired knee, transition back into the lineup as a reserve the following () games and served a two-game suspension for picking up a flagrant foul type 2, Odom immediately filled that starter's spot, by replacing the  post presence and widening the floor for the backcourt. Frankly, Odom's role has remained mostly the same as a starter and reserve, but he initially saw it as a blow to his ego.

"As a sportsman, you're used to starting," he explained. "I used to be one of the guys and go to guys on the team. I'd be lying if I told you it didn't. I'll be honest with you, a little bit. I've always started for every team I was on and was one of the first three options."

A 2008-09 season that Odom characterized as "up-and-down" and a 2009-10 season where he said he "mentally accepted" the role soon paved the way to where Odom currently sits. He's being considered for an award Jackson argues should measure the "impact a player has on a team." Even with being demoted to a bench position, in no way has Odom's impact been diminished. 

--Mark Medina

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Yeah - I forgot a line on my previous post:

LO getting snubbed for the ASG was also a TRAVESTY. If he doesn't win 6th Man then I'll believe in conspiracies.

Thank You, Mark Medina.

In honor of Lamar Odom: RE-POST

Lamar Odom: The Point-Forward

Talented. Versatile. Match-up nightmare. Mr. Swiss Army Knife.

To borrow a baseball term, he is a complete, "Five-Tool Player."

Lamar Odom can do it all: Dribble. Pass. Shoot. Rebound. Defend.

Several seasons ago, Lamar noted that the best teams were not the ones with young rosters. Championships were claimed by teams led by older players. The dunkers and high-fly acts thrilled the crowds, but the methodically efficient and disciplined squads (usually guided by experienced veterans), were the ones playing deep into June.

Back then a boy, Odom has now become the full-measure of a man, both on the court and off. Lamar has stepped into those shoes, and they fit him well. What was once uncertainty and confusion in 'his world' now just...makes sense. He is happy, fulfilled, and at peace.

LO has found his center, and his grounding, in the embrace of the Kardashian/Jenner family that has become his through marriage. They have given Lamar the sense of belonging and purpose, that all of us would also yearn for, and thrive upon receiving. Just as he has.

Lamar won the 'genetic lottery' at birth, and was graced with remarkable physical gifts, but the tragedies and challenges he had to overcome along the way could have killed him at any time. LO had strong role-models in his midst, and people who genuinely cared for him, who would NOT let him give up...or fail.

This is the enduring lesson from Lamar Odom's life. No man is an island. Be there for someone who needs you, and search for guidance and mentoring, if you are the one who is in need.

Sometimes we need a shoulder to cry on, sometimes we provide that shoulder for others. We are our Brother's Keeper.

P & G R

@JAMF - Welcome back!

Part of the Sixth Man's role is to fill in for injured starters. LO should not be penalized for doing a great job of that for his team. LO has been the most consistent contributor to the Lakers season. I would give him the award without a question. Then steal it off the scorer's table when he leaves it there.

Justa! Woot-woot!


Glad to see Caracter go down to play in D-League. I'm sure that was the plan for him this season, but Bynum and Ratleff going down forced the Lakers to keep him around. He clearly needs to play, and 58th pick on a championship team just isn't get minutes unless it's a blowout or an emergency.

It also must mean that Joe Smith is getting comfortable and looking OK in practice to where Phil feels comfortable playing him a couple of minutes in case of foul trouble or whatever.

Tom Daniels, Great point about LO fulfilling his role. Thank you.

If Lamar doesn't win the Sixth Man of the Year Award Laker Nation will personally storm Darth Stern's lair and set fire to the joint.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


LO should win the 6th Man. We know the team accomplishments trump individual awards and nothing beats the 3peat, but it would be nice to see LO get what he has earned.

@Justa - welcome back. Forget HC advantage. We've got the Justa advantage.

I've been massively critical of Odom over the years, but this year I've had little to say except "he deserves all-star status" "this is his best year ever" and "I'm really pleased with Odom this year"

It's amazing what a little practice in the summer will do :-)

And in the other thread someone posted about J. Farmar... looks like he's not "starter" material in NJ. I'm not surprised by that. I think on the Lakers he may have had enough talent around him to make it work... but either way, it still looks like AT BEST it was a push between Blake & Farmar. I like Blake's attitude better, but I like how Farmar led the team in 3pt%

A good article by Ding on Bynum's "mental" breakthrough.

Posted by: LRob | March 30, 2011 at 08:03 AM
Great Kevin Ding article on Bynum. A must read. It's referenced above by MM, but for convenience, here's the link anyway.
Posted by: KobeMVP888 | March 30, 2011 at 10:26 AM
Blog sync!

Justa! Welcome Back!


Seems to me, the Award states "SIXTH MAN OF THE YEAR", NOT "BENCH PLAYER OF THE YEAR"!!!!!!

A Sixth Man is like Utility Player in Baseball. He fills in when needed, including starting when there are injuries.


In his honor, here's some Coltrane:




By Kevin Ding for the OC Register
I have often said that it was close to a miraculous change in attitude that Phil Jackson was able to get Andrew Bynum to forget about worrying about his knees or lack of touches and focus his play on defense and rebounding. Pure Zen magic. Here is the definitive explanation of how Phil did it:
Leave it to Tex Winter, who while on the Lakers' staff was one of Andrew Bynum's harshest critics, to have the explanation for why Bynum has turned his career and this entire Lakers season around.
Winter espoused a theory that has always stuck with Phil Jackson's longtime mental-health consultant, George Mumford, during their years together building up all those Bulls' and Lakers' brains to win all those NBA championships.
According to "The Readiness Principle," as Mumford calls Winter's idea: When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.
The patient wisdom in that statement did not keep the passionate Winter from ranting and raving about what young Bynum wouldn't learn early in his Lakers career, but ask either Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant, and they'll tell you how much they appreciated Winter's ranting and raving in a world of gushing and groveling around them.
For all of Bynum's massive potential, not even Jim Buss would dare to compare Bynum to Jordan and Bryant. When it comes down to it, though, there is only going to be one fully accredited graduate from the Phil Jackson School of Zen Thought moving forward for a full NBA career to come, bridging this era of dynastic basketball with whatever might be next.
The 23-year-old Bynum has throughout his six seasons been the baby of this family.
That also makes him the one and only rising son.
So it's downright fascinating – and impressive for them both – that Bynum has reached this point here before Jackson retires. It has not happened as much through medical miracle with Bynum's much-scrutinized physical health as because Bynum has made a mental breakthrough ... and that happens to be the sort of personal power Jackson harnesses infinitely better than your average coach.
In this case, it wasn't actually Jackson's coaching voice that triggered Bynum's leap from being talented to playing like a man.
Asked when things began to take off for Bynum, Jackson didn't cite the apparent answer of the All-Star break, at which time Jackson and Bynum had a meaningful talk about what changes Bynum planned to refocus his game on defense and rebounding. Jackson's answer as to the root of Bynum's revolution was one word: "Boston."
It was in Boston on Feb. 10 that Jackson sat the entire Lakers team like schoolchildren in the courtside seats of TD Garden before shoot-around – turning the floor over to Mumford to motivate. Bynum went head-to-head with Mumford, and a seed was planted in Bynum's head.
The Lakers beat the Celtics that night with Bynum playing well, though it wasn't until more than a week later that the beanstalk really began to grow ... after Bynum disappointed himself and the team in three consecutive Lakers losses.
The dire part of the motivation equation is what Mumford calls "A.O.F." – the last two acronym words being "on" and "fire," the first word citing the body part that must get in gear for any of us to be productive.
Bynum has always had an analytical mind and a curious nature, but his A. was O. F., and the advisory words from Mumford he'd found interesting and sensible suddenly crystallized into pure fuel for his 290-pound body to run like never before.
"The mind and body are not separate; they are connected," Mumford said. "Sometimes working on the body directly is not going to get it. And sometimes working on the mind directly is not going to get it. But if you can get the two to talk to each other, you're probably into some good stuff."
The specific advice from Mumford that got Bynum's mind to tell his body to break through the limiting beliefs and easy excuses was not groundbreaking or even new to anyone who has followed Jackson's career even from afar.
"To me, what it comes down to is being in the moment," Mumford said. "You've heard a lot of people say it. You've heard Kobe say it. You've heard M.J. say it. That's what it's about. It's about being here now and focusing on what you're doing – and not worrying about how you're doing."
Bynum said it was Mumford's way of connecting with him – it's not hard to see some similarities in their easygoing, easy-smiling demeanors – that made the message ultimately resonate. Even though Mumford doesn't stay with the Lakers for three entire months, as he did during their 2000-02 championship run, he said he and Jackson remain "kindred spirits" and Mumford annually meets the Lakers in Boston, where he is headquartered. Bynum said he has had "a bunch of good conversations" with Mumford over the years.
"It's just the way he goes about his explanation, because a lot of people can offer advice or try to put you down or do whatever," Bynum said. "But his particular style just fits with me.
"His big thing is he creates a space for you to be you. That's all he really does. He kind of takes away what everybody else is doing and just focuses on how to get you prepared mentally for a game, for a task, for anything it is that you want to do."
What Bynum wanted to do was surrender the predisposition that great players score lots of points and then help the Lakers dominate in the way Jackson has long preached to him: defense and rebounding.
Just like that, Bynum has done it.
Since the All-Star break, Bynum has averaged 12.4 rebounds and 2.5 blocks. He has added 11.8 points per game on 62.6 percent field-goal shooting. The Lakers are 15-1.
Even after the last game, in which Bynum was limited to five rebounds in 22 minutes because of fouls he definitely did not agree with, Bynum happily detailed how he's playing a whole different ballgame.
"It's how to focus, how always to reset," Bynum said. "If I got bad calls before, maybe I would've blown up or gotten a technical or done something crazy. I mean, I was mad; I was hot. But I just walked off the court, sat down and waited for an opportunity for the game to present something for me to do."
Sure enough, Bynum scored seven points in seven minutes right after he was called for his fifth foul and New Orleans had cut the Lakers' lead to six points early in the fourth quarter Sunday night. He stayed patient with his post moves in stark contrast to the way he has rushed through them and shot too quickly when feeling pressure in the past.
"All things will work out," Bynum said. "Just don't react so much. Just bring yourself back to focus, and you'll be all right."
Those who dismiss Jackson's mind games as mumbo jumbo can feel free to believe it's all about the cartilage in Bynum's right knee being more firmly reattached, his conditioning having improved or maybe even his nutritionist's lean protein and brown rice.
But only Bynum knows how much easier it is for him to sense which way a ball is going to bounce if he's really looking at it. He describes the high-speed, loud-arena NBA action now as "quiet" until the whistle blows to stop play.
"It's really quiet," he said.
He is simply locked in mentally, which also means no longer fretting over every twinge he feels.
Even early this season, Bynum's extreme caution in coming back to relieve some of Pau Gasol's and Lamar Odom's overburdens left many in the Lakers' inner circle losing faith that Bynum's grit last postseason was any sort of coming of age.
Now? Jackson could not put it any more broadly that this statement: "He's thrown out any concern he has on health issues."
The one bad thing that has happened to Bynum – his flagrant foul on an airborne Michael Beasley after just before on offense feeling frustration of missing a dunk and not getting a foul call, resulting in a two-game NBA suspension – was a reminder about staying in the moment, too.
"He carried a play from one end of the court to the other," Jackson said. "Basketball is really a game where you have to let things go."
And there you see Jackson's handle on the switch Bynum flipped.
Jackson is the most successful coach in NBA history, the guy whom Bryant credited even back when they didn't get along so well for teaching him that long-term goals were best achieved by letting go of them.
"It's him and Vince Lombardi," Bryant said in a quiet moment earlier this season: "As far as coaches, him and Vince Lombardi. That's it."
And what a beautiful thing it is to see a coach touch a player's career and life so meaningfully, even if in Bynum's case it was Mumford as the medium. Jackson is still making magic.
This is certainly not, however, just a credit to the teacher.
Winter, who stopped consulting for the Lakers in 2009, used to wonder if Bynum, the youngest player ever drafted into the NBA, was really motivated from within. We now have the answer.
Instead of resting on the laurels of titles and money, Bynum got his A.O.F. – and not because he was being called irresponsible for delaying surgery 41 days after last season, not because he was idly dreaming of being an All-Star, not because he was hearing the Carmelo Anthony trade rumors, not because he had let the team down and Lakers' streak of championships had already ended.
It says a lot about Bynum that he acted at this time and on his own.
"I just do what I do, man: I talk," Mumford said. "And people who can hear what I'm saying will hear it. People who don't, won't. It's really that simple."

LO deserves the 6th man of the year award. He has finally lived up to his potential and he should be recognized for that.

Correction: Should've Read--LO is the Sixth Man of the Year NO MATTER WHAT THE SO-CALLED PUNDITS SAY!




- Lamar is a lock for 6th man.

- I think Laker fans are giving the Thunder too much credit. The main reason the Lakers struggled against them in last year's playoffs is because of Kobe's knee issues. Once he had his knee drained, the Lakers became a different team, and the Thunder had no chance. Bynum matches up well with Perkins, and although Perkins makes them tougher, he is another player (along with Thabo) who is an offensive liability. In other words, as long as Artest continues to bother Durant, and without Kristic spreading the floor, the Thunder will be easier to guard this season. They killed the Lakers in transition, and with no Jeff Green, their transition game has gotten weaker. Westbrook will still be a nightmare, and Ibaka has improved, but as long as the officiating is fair, the Lakers should have no problem disposing of the Thunder.

- The Lakers should send Luke to the D-League, but I'm not sure he would even see minutes unless Phil decides to coach a D-League team.

- Even if the Lakers end up with the best record, there is NO way the Kobe-hating media will give Kobe the MVP. It ain't gonna happen. The only reason he even has one MVP is because the media completely ran out of excuses not to give it to him that year. As long as the media votes for the award, the award will continue to be a sham.

Popeye, Put down the pipe!

Poor Elgin Baylor just can't get a break.

We need to get that guy's statue up pronto.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


Popeye is smoking that Humboldt Spinach again.


This isn't related but I wasn't sure where to bring this up. Mark-- are the Heat going to be addressed as a potential problem? Everyone is feeling very optimistic about the Lakers this year, but they haven't beat this heat team once.. is everyone expecting the heat to get knocked out in the eastern conference?

"Justa..." today and "Mamba24" tomorrow?
Back to "work" for The Lakers... The final push is on for HCA in The Finals! Lamar IS the Sixth Man, period and Jason will concede that fact after tomorrow night's contest.

"We're worried about our execution. That's all we did then and that's all we'll do now." #24 K. Bryant

"Everything about the Lakers is geared toward winning playoff games. It's what they do." J.A. Adande

"Even when we didn’t make the playoffs, I thought we'd win the championship." Dr. Buss

Go Lakers & In Buss We Trust!!


"is everyone expecting the heat to get knocked out in the eastern conference?"


They're mentally weak.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


This isn't related but I wasn't sure where to bring this up. Mark-- are the Heat going to be addressed as a potential problem? Everyone is feeling very optimistic about the Lakers this year, but they haven't beat this heat team once.. is everyone expecting the heat to get knocked out in the eastern conference?

Posted by: matt | March 30, 2011 at 12:09 PM

I think the Heat can still come out of the East. The fact that the Lakers haven't beaten the Heat isn't bothersome to me though, as long as we're healthy.

Yes, in 2008 the Celtics had our number, but that was a different match up and we had not been championship tested or proven at that point. The mismatch we witnessed during that regular season did (somewhat) reflect what happened in the Finals, but remember that while we got blown out twice during that regular season, we were still IN 5 of the 6 NBA Finals games without Bynum or Ariza.

In 2009, we lost twice to the Magic in close games, but that didn't keep us from beating them in 5 games in the NBA Finals. True, Game 2 and Game 4 could have easily gone to the Magic, but they didn't because we were championship tested the year before and learned from that experience.

With respect to the Heat, we still have an enormous advantage over them in the paint with our 48 mpg trio at the 4-5 positions. We also have the "toughest" perimeter defenders in the NBA. You can toss the Christmas Day farce out the window and with respect to the loss in Miami, an 8 game winning streak collided with a 5 game losing streak between two elite teams and the Lakers were in the middle of a 4 game road trip with their most important game still in front of them. Is that any kind of excuse for the loss? No. Is it any kind of indication of what will happen in a 7 game series? Also no. If the Lakers finish the season 7-2, we are guaranteed HCA vs. the Heat should we both be fortunate enough to meet in the NBA Finals. I like our chances.

In 2008-09 season, the Lakers lost both 2 games to the Magic during the regular season. The Lakers beat them 4 -1 in the Finals. The regular season games do not matter much.....

Where is MAMBA24? Is he not coming back? Anything happened?


There's no way the Heat get past Chicago.

They're only good at beating up weak teams.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


Larmar Odom is the MVP of the Sixth Man.


"In 2008-09 season, the Lakers lost both 2 games to the Magic during the regular season. The Lakers beat them 4 -1 in the Finals. The regular season games do not matter much....."

The Magic beat the Lakers in the regular season with Jameer Nelson absolutely destroying the Lakers. He was injured, and almost a liability in the playoffs.

KobeMVP888 - The Lakers won't say it, but I sense they believe what everyone else believes. That team isn't playoff tested yet and they think they'll be fine.

As long as one of the O'Neal's is healthy for the playoffs, Boston should come out of the East.

i read that the celtic is pondering retiring shaq's #36 after next season. if that happens then that means that every team he played for will do the same. he clearly will get the celtics banner #18 in june. his injury was more of a ploy to get him the rest so he can knock out tim duncant in the finals.

you are right on the money. celtic will come out of the east and then beat the spurs.

welcome back, justanothermambafan!

Hello all!

JAMF - woo hoo - missed my blog sister.

Didn't we have an LO for 6th man bus somewhere along the line? Where did it stop - I know I was on it!!!

The Sheet spectacle continues. I think those three fools have a chance to come out of the East, but we also know LBJ can't take the heat when the fire's too hot - it will definitely ring true in MIA just as it did in CLE.

Also, I think PJ held back some of his magic tricks when we played the Sheet. They were both highly anticipated, highly watched and analyzed ad nauseum. Do you really think PJ would play out his strategy for beating the Sheet in a regular season game??? I think not. The Zen Master and his psychological games!

I agree with Laker Truth on the greenies - if one O'Neal shows up healthy, they should come out of the East. They will be beat up, whining and complaining but...

Cheers all - PLG


"In 2008-09 season, the Lakers lost both 2 games to the Magic during the regular season. The Lakers beat them 4 -1 in the Finals. The regular season games do not matter much....."

The Magic beat the Lakers in the regular season with Jameer Nelson absolutely destroying the Lakers. He was injured, and almost a liability in the playoffs.

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | March 30, 2011 at 12:39 PM "

That's what I've been saying, the Lakers win both of those regular season games if Jameer is just an injured reserve. Even with incredible play from Jameer in the two regular season games, the Lakers still had a chance to have taken either game.

Dude...Please LO 6th man, Give me a KICK n the @zz. NOOOO way, the JET 6th man HANDS DOWN. The Jet coming off the SHOW bench, un-stoppable.

@fever – Farmar was benched for who? You’re right; it’s not good to get on Avery’s bad side. Thanks for the info.

P & G R – I like the baseball analogy with LO being a five tool player. Nice.

@Truth – don’t kid yourself. OKC is now much better suited for playoff bball. I’m not worried about them I’m just saying they’re better.
Good point on Jameer’s injury in 2009. It gets overlooked a lot.

@Jon K – If the Heat are only good at beating inferior teams that does not say a lot about our Lakers.

KobeMVP888 - The Lakers won't say it, but I sense they believe what everyone else believes. That team isn't playoff tested yet and they think they'll be fine.

Posted by: Mark Medina | March 30, 2011 at 12:39 PM

I think one of the "cards" that PJ held back just in case was not having Bynum guard Bosh last game. In the past when those two have been matched up, Bynum has made his life very difficult. The Three Am-Egos have yet to figure out how to co-exist on a consistent basis, too. I get the feeling from Bosh that he's internalizing a lot of things this season. At times he's been their most important player; at other times, LeBron and D-Wade have treated him as an afterthought.

HAVING SAID THAT, as Larry Merchant has famously said on many occasions: "Talent tells." I am far from convinced that the Heat are out of the picture despite their regular season woes against Boston and Chicago. Teams that reach the NBA Finals typically have superstars and teams that win it typically have multiple superstars. Rotations are shortened and it becomes a battle of attrition. Wade, LeBron and the rest of the rotation players have plenty of playoff experience. While I do believe that both Chicago and Boston match up well against them, no way do I write them off and I don't think that PJ has written them off either.

Jameer Nelson stinks.

S. Perkins - the fat little kid whining to his mom that he wants more hot pockets while bashing DFish and looking at his love shrine for Jon K. This is our resident troll everyone! What a buffoon!!!

Justa - Welcome back Oh Queen of the Blog! All we need is the Blogfather and the blog shall be complete!!!

Justa, I'm glad you're back!

Hope everything remains cool.

Did Utah GM Kevin O'Connor really list Devin Harris, Gordon Hayward, Derrick Favors and Raja Bell as the future of the Jazz franchise? No mention of Jefferson or Millsap? Wow!

Wade, LeBron and the rest of the rotation players have plenty of playoff experience. While I do believe that both Chicago and Boston match up well against them, no way do I write them off and I don't think that PJ has written them off either.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | March 30, 2011 at 01:31 PM

Dude...You're SMARTER then most LAKERHOLICS.

The Lakers would have won the championship in 2009 with or without a healthy Jameer Nelson in Orlando's lineup. I'm not sold on Jameer Nelson being all that important to Orlando's success. They made it to the Finals in 09 with Anthony Johnson playing the point for goodness sakes.

If the point is that Jameer Nelson would have eaten up Derek Fisher in the 09 Finals if he were healthy, I say it is off base. The Lakers team defense would have neutralized Nelson's penetration. The Magic needed much more than a healthy Jameer Nelson in 09.

Go Lakers!


"@Truth – don’t kid yourself. OKC is now much better suited for playoff bball. I’m not worried about them I’m just saying they’re better. "

OKC might be better this season, and better suited for playoff ball.... but with a healthy Kobe and Bynum, I believe the Lakers will have an easier time beating OKC this year. OKC faced the Lakers at the ideal time, with Kobe hobbling and Bynum dealing with his achilles. The only thing that might keep the series close is the one sided officiating that the Lakers overcame last year.

Sorry re-post.. Oops.. Posted on wrong thread


I respectfully disagree with ur thoughts on the thunder and O'neal... I assume ur referring to shraq not jermaine... Any rate we've had this exchange before so won't rehash but healthy o'neal?? Already an oxymoron.. And after over 8 weeks of no action on the court wouldn't count on him at age 38 to make any sort of impact... And I heard he fired his personal chef afterhe took a paycut of 24MIL so you never know!!

At least he wants to leave it as a tribute to the fans at Staples.. pretty classy thing to do.. sometimes I think these types of awards aren't really front and center in the players minds.. really just a product of playing well and doing their stuff day in, day out. Makes for a cool benchmark, though when you look back on their careers

@MVP - Good stuff on the Heat. I wouldn't discount them either. If the Lakers do meet them in the finals it would be interesting to see how the Ron-Lebron matchup plays out. He seems to be the one guy that Ron hasn't really slowed down yet. Lebron is avg 27pts/7reb/9asst on 4 regular season games vs. the Lakers with Ron.

Where is MAMBA24?


We've had debates on Shaq for the past three years, and Shaq has proven his doubters wrong every year. A couple years ago, when people thought he was washed up, he made the all-star team. Last season, he was fairly healthy for the playoffs with the Cavs. All reports indicate that he will be healthy come playoff time this year...and by the way, Jermaine O'Neal is already practicing with the Celtics. Shaq may be old and slow, but he is still an unmovable presence in the paint. A healthy Bynum has dominated Perkins on several occasions, but Bynum has NEVER dominated Shaq, even when Shaq became a shell of his former self. I would much rather see Bynum facing Perkins than Shaq.

@Rocky - I think you meant Rafer Alston.

@fever - Shaq is now 39, which makes your point even stronger.

@Truth - I'd say a 4-2 Lakers win about the same as last year.

The big problem with the Miami Cheat was lacking HCA vs them in the finals.

That's been taken care of (if things continue on their current path) - so less of a worry there.

This should size up to be one of the most interesting playoffs in the last 10 yrs.


Not to nitpick.. But I believe u said troy murphy would also be an impact.. Impossible with so much time off the court and a bad work ethic.. He obviously wasn't game ready n conditioned much what I would expect from shraquille O'neal... Can u dig it!!!

Dude...Drew don't want NO parts of Shaq, he owns him.

I wouldn't go so far to say that Shaq proved everyone wrong.

Sure, he went from sitting games out in a last place Miami team, to miraculous shot of youth on Phoenix.


Phoenix traded for Shaq as the top team in the West record-wise, and finished barely making the playoffs. The Funs imploded. Shaq then went to Cleveland, and that team imploded.

His time in Boston, thus far, has been remarkable actually... so perhaps he bucks the trend and makes them tougher to beat. OR, maybe sitting out so long will equal rustiness "when it counts"

G money sez:Dude...You're SMARTER then most LAKERHOLICS.

But G Money, Doood, you're not.

G money sez:the JET 6th man HANDS DOWN


Thanks everyone for the warm welcome back. I'm hoping it continues to stay safe in here....

Jon K - sorry, but cats rule. How many times to I have to tell you that? You have been misled, my friend.

888 - I agree that the Show can't afford to discount the Cheat. IF they make it to the Finals. And that's a great big fat IF. Really, they can't take anything for granted at any level of the PO's. Gotta go in with a chip on our shoulder and beat the tar out of all competition. Put the fear into them. NO SYMPATHY.

It ain't rocket surgery.

Truth (with apologies to hobbit)

U said: "couple years ago he made the allstar team"

My response: really in phoenix you mean when he took that franchise from #1 seed in west to missing the playoffs next year?? He was obviously a FLOP everything he went from phoenix to cleveland.. He didn't even deserve the title in miami n they couldn't wait to unload him

U said: "last year he was fairly healthy for playoffs"

My response: oh u mean when he was on the cavs last year n he lost to boston in the playoffs n got outplayed by no other than perkins

U said: "jermaine o'neal is practicing with the celtics"

My response: jermaine?? Do u really think he can last more than a 7 game series?

U said: "shaq is still an unmovable object in the paint.. Bynum never dominated shaq"

My response: agree unmovable like the last 3 years.. This year he's older n dealt with more injuries and has had even more time off the court... Bynum is also healthier now than he's been last 2 playoffs. We'll have to cordially agree to disagree.

yello, timshow, lrob,

Good points guys. I'm hoping Shaq is rusty for the playoffs as well, but if he's close to last year's playoff form, the Celtics should come out of the East. Unlike many big men, Shaq never took a long time to get his timing and rythm back after returning from injuries. I read somewhere that Shaq lost 20 pounds during his rehab, and after the last couple years, I don't plan on underestimating his ability to contribute, even at age 39.

hobbit - I forgot to mention my kudos to you for an outstanding defense of Kobe in your magnificent beatdown of the anti-Kobe faction on here. MOST EXCELLENT.


Agreed, Shaq no doubt disrupted the Suns run and gun, and Mike Brown's insistence to play inside out basketball with Shaq was a strategic mistake.... BUT, that does not take away from the fact that Shaq was healthy enough to contribute and play solid basketball, and do everything that was asked of him. The Celtics are smart enough to realize that inside out basketball with Shaq will NOT work at this stage of his career, and I believe Doc Rivers made it clear that Shaq will be a role player, who's focus will be on rebounding and defense. I still believe if Shaq is anywhere close to last year's playoff form, he will be an asset to the Celtics, especially against Orlando and the Lakers. I don't think it will be enough to beat the Lakers, but I don't plan on underestimating Shaq after proving that he still has some juice left in the tank the past couple years. Can you dig it?

where is MAMBA24 blogs most popular poster?

When people talk about Phil Jackson and his Zen-like coaching mentality, they’re usually talking about his affection for passing out individually selected inspirational books to each of his players each year or his love of the principles of Zen Buddhism and the teachings of the Lakota Sioux. What his detractors and doubters fail to realize or recognize is that these philosophies are at the heart of why Phil Jackson is the most successful coach in the history of the NBA.
Phil bringing in meditation consultant George Mumford to talk about how to “be in the moment” as an athlete was a perfect example of how Phil Jackson’s unique approach to coaching gets results that other coaches only dream about accomplishing. It was the singular act that has transformed Andrew Bynum’s approach to the game of basketball and launched the two-time NBA champions into what may be an unprecedented post all-star break record of 24 wins against just 1 lone loss.
It turns out that George Mumford is a fascinating person. He teaches athletes how to get into the moment or the zone or, if you will, how to get their Ass on Fire (AOF). Much of his approach to motivation came from his earlier addiction to heroin. When you’re in the zone as a player, you are totally focused on what you are doing and not worrying about how you’re doing. It reminds me a lot of my main goal coaching young kids, which was to learn to go all out and not be afraid to fail.
Here’s a link to a great interview with George about meditation and his consulting practice:
In researching more about George Mumford, I came across an article by author David Friedman (Phil Jackson: Zen and the Art of Winning - that had another great example of why Phil is such a great basketball coach. Here is an excerpt from David’s article:
“Perhaps the signature moment of the 1991 Finals--and the final hurdle that Jordan needed to clear to emerge as a great team player--happened in game five. The Bulls needed just one win to take the championship and Jordan was determined to carry the team there singlehandedly if necessary. Of course, that approach was a good recipe for defeat.
During a fourth quarter timeout when the Bulls trailed the Lakers 91-90, Jackson looked right at Jordan and barked, "Who's open?" When Jordan did not answer, Jackson repeated the question and Jordan finally relented, "Paxson." Jackson said simply, "Let's find him." John Paxson scored 10 of his 20 points in the last four minutes of the game and Chicago wrapped up the championship.
Jackson knew when--and how--to challenge Jordan in ways that led to a constructive response. Jackson did not berate Jordan and did not deliver an expletive filled diatribe. All he said was, "Who's open?" Jackson knew that Jordan had the court sense to understand how the defense was checking him; Jordan just needed a little reminder. Real coaching has nothing to do with ranting and raving during timeouts; real coaching is done in practice, in private moments on the plane or on the bus, so that a simple "Who's open?" leads to the desired result during a pressure-packed Finals game.”

Can we have MAMBA24 come back bandwagon. Our resident ladies man!!

The Lakers should hire Mumford as a permanent consultant.

"The Lakers would have won the championship in 2009 with or without a healthy Jameer Nelson in Orlando's lineup. I'm not sold on Jameer Nelson being all that important to Orlando's success. They made it to the Finals in 09 with Anthony Johnson playing the point for goodness sakes.

If the point is that Jameer Nelson would have eaten up Derek Fisher in the 09 Finals if he were healthy, I say it is off base. The Lakers team defense would have neutralized Nelson's penetration. The Magic needed much more than a healthy Jameer Nelson in 09.

Go Lakers!

Posted by: Rocky | March 30, 2011 at 01:42 PM "

Who really knows what would have happened if Jameer was healthy, bottom line is that it doesn't matter. When I say the regular season matters, I'm not talking about having a 2-0 advantage over them in the regular season means the finals would be a sweep too. It's a measure of the competition level between the two teams in regards to how they match up.

Winning those two games did not mean that Orlando was better than the Lakers, it just meant they had the ability to win games against them. The 2-0 record in the regular season was closer than it looked just like the 4-1 advantage in the finals was closer than it looks. There were a lot of games in there that were up for grabs for either team, including all 3 that Orlando won.

Lakers beating Orlando in 2009 was not an example of David rising up to beat Goliath. The regular season matters.

Kobe on PTI right now
you got 4 minutes left

@JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN... Welcome back, Marina. It’s ironic because I was just about at the point of starting to seriously worry about you. I was having horrible images of a disgruntled banned blogger somehow getting a hold of your email or actual address and harassing you. Glad all is well and I hope whatever happened won’t reoccur. If there is anything that your hordes of friends on this blog can ever do for you, all you have to do is ask. We all know you are not JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN. You are special. You’re the complete opposite of Justa. By the way, “cats rule and dogs drool” was the perfect response to Jon K’s kill-the-cat-&-kiss-the-dog spiel.
@TOM DANIELS... Excellent observation as to why Luke was in the game. I am very interested in seeing how the bench plays tomorrow night. I think the results from feeding the beast probably will finally register after Drew dominated the post on offense and scored 7 points in 7 minutes. He may have his ego in the right place with his focus on defense and rebounding but there will for sure be moments in the upcoming playoffs where his great offensive repertoire will be called upon.
@LAKERPEACE... Congrats for the Friedman. You made a very valid point. The Laker might be better off finishing 2nd to the Spurs. At any rate, in the end, it won’t matter because there is no team in the West – or for that matter, the East - that can hang with us. 24-1 post all-star record.


Nice to have you back. All is at it should be.


You cat does not love you, JAMF. It can't. It's a cat.

You've been infected by the parasites so you THINK it loves you, but that's just the parasites talking so that they can keep you as a reliable food source for their feline overlords.

Sorry, girl. You're infected.

Time to get rid of that fricken cat.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


Message from Phil that transcends time, sport and the players involved..lets play TEAM ball!!

All he said was, "Who's open?" quote from Phil Jackson which again equates to same message as:

"I like to see everybody involved in the game," Jackson said. "I've tried to preach as a basketball coach, even though we have a guy that dominates the ball in Kobe, basketball is not a one on one game — it's a team game."

I wouldn't underestimate Shaq just yet. We only have to go back to last year's playoffs to see how instrumental a big body in the middle can be even if he is playing hurt and not 100%. Even in his old age and well past his prime, he's the biggest center in the game today and takes up a ton of space in the middle.

shaq has been good but not enough to warrant retiring his number in celtic. if he brings us banners 18 and 19 then count me in. phoenix will retire his number but he was worth the trade.


Give Kobe the ball.
Have Bynum come over and set a screen.
Have Kobe come around the screen - if Ray Ray follows, take it to the hole as Bynum slides. if Ray Ray stays back, you know Shaq won't come out, just unload. If they switch, let Bynum roll to the rack. If a third player slides to stop Bynum, it will leave Lamar or Gasol wide open under the hoop.

Easy game.

Snaq food = terrible at pick n roll defense even in his prime

Then, repeat as needed until opponent adjusts. When they adjust, attack them in the new hole they leave.

don't know why you're talking strategies against celtic, we'll face the spurs in the finals.

jon K,

You make quite a convincing case against cats, and I for one, will avoid cats from here on out. I read somewhere that cats were so revered in ancient Egypt, that they were actually mummified. Their control over mankind has lasted thousands of years.

Lady Justa, welcome back! What happened Lady? Did you make a short visit to Canada? Well, your blog friends were worried about your whereabouts while the playoffs is just around the corner. Well, you are the equivalent of Helen of Troy of this blog, we need your demure, ur charming insights to confuse the enemy from within. We got Justa, now what do you got? Give them hell! haha!

LRob, roll the song for Justa's comeback, a little dance and kick in the air:

BLUEPRINT FOR 3Peat according the man with no 5 but 11 rings Zen Master:

1. Play team defense
2. "Who's open?"

I really don't know much about the situation, but it sure sounds like the person who crossed the line originated from this site. If that is true ,WOW!! That is absolutely insane!!! Anyone who would go out of their way to harass a blogger (especially a female blogger) should be castrated!!

I'm glad to hear that you are safe and alright. I hope that we can find this creep one day and give him a serious beatdown!!!!!!!!!!!


The regular season matters.

Posted by: Bay to LA | March 30, 2011 at 02:42 PM

To the extent that it prepares us for the PLAYOFFS, it matters. To the extent that it provides fans with entertainment, it matters. For BS popularity contest awards, it matters. For judging players, coaches, GMs and ownership as a PART of their overall career body of work, it matters. For seeding purposes and HCA it matters, but HCA doesn't always matter.

For this two-time defending champion, it's the practice season, and every single concept that I have explained about what exactly that means has proven to be true this season. When the "rubber met the road" before the All-Star break, did it matter? Only as a part of the process for preparation for the PLAYOFFS. Does our record against a team "matter" during the regular season? Nope. We start out 0-0 against them whether or not we won or lost the season series.

When the Lakers tip off against whomever in Round 1, it will be 0-0 for both teams. At that point, the regular season will become meaningless. All that will matter is the 16 game countdown.

Yes, the regular season matters ... to you. Phil Jackson and his players will have long forgotten about it by Round 1, Game 1 of the Real Season.

This is dedicated to justanothermambafan...

Good choice LRob?

This is dedicated to justanothermambafan...

Good choice LRob?


This is the cut I wanted...

Do you guys have a job? I know you guys can't all be a big time executive like the Priest but there are other opportunities. Like the guys who come and try clean my windshield. Or or the guys who sell those plastic flowers on the street. Here is a good one especially for hobbit and mud, dishwashers at the local chinese restaurant. Or packing groceries just do something for pete sake. Justanothermamba fan if you think hobbit gave the priest a beatdown you are as delusional like you sounded a few weeks ago about someone stalking you. LO should be the 6th man of the year. He is the 3rd most important laker player. It's Gasol, Bynum and then LO. The bricklayer is number 4. Think about it if kobe shoots 10 for 25 then someone has to pick up those bricks.


What I find so curious is that roughly 1/2 of humanity (according to sources like ABC News and Discover Magazine--reputable sources) is infected with the parasite, which can bring about schitzophrenia, but for most people seems to make them more neurotic, reactive to fear and shame, and a bit self-loathing.

(Sound a little like Borderline Personality Disorder to me, which they're not sure of the root cause.)

Anyhow, it seems the parasite does better in warmer climates because the eggs don't handle freezing and thawing very well.

Anthropologists have often categorized cultures as either "shame-based culture" or an "honor-based culture."

Shame based cultures are basically about avoiding shame.

Honor based cultures are basically about achieving honor.

Shame based cultures tend to be more reactionary as a result; honor based cultures more proactive.

I'm wondering if all this is simply due to the fact that 50% of humanity has this fricken parasite in their nervous system making them sensitive to shame.

And I've noticed our society has become A LOT more sensitive to shame over the last four decades or so.

And during that period of time the number of cats as pets has dramatically increased.

You want to look at the reason so many people seem so emotionally reactionary these days? And why the media has become a bunch of screaming talking heads who can't discuss issues in a reasonable objective fashion?

Methinks it's because an increasing percentage of our population is infected with these parasites... from fricken cats.

Who just so happen to be evil and incapable of love.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


ip man - me? Delusional? I think you mistake me for someone who cares about what you think..... Hobbit broke it down for you. Then broke it open upside your head. Sorry dude - he's right. You're wrong. End of story.

And where were cats first domesticated?

In the ancient Middle East.

Where all their cultures were shame-based.


I doubt it.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


Jon K..... c'mon man. Give it a rest. Cats are the bomb! You don't have to worry about them...walk with them....get them a sitter when you leave for a few days....They just hang around the house, entertain you with their antics, and cuddle up to you now and then. It's all good!


Sorry, I don't want to get near a cat because, as you'll see from the links I've listed, they carry parasites that negatively affect the human nervous system.

And liter boxes turn a house into a septic tank.

And they shed everywhere.

And they are incapable of love.

And they're demanding, vain, skulking little monsters that enjoy torturing small animals to death.

With reptilians eyes.

Who will contentedly begin eating your face once you've had a stroke.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


Welcome back Justa

Where is my man Mamba24?

Dogs are man's best friend!
Cats are twisted!

How can LO not be 6th man of the year? The numbers he puts up and the role he plays filling in for either Bynum or Gasol transiting seamlessly between the bench and a starter. It was a shame he didn't get the all-star nod, it will be a crime if he doesn't win the 6th man of the year.

Don't think the Heat get out of the east, but I think they can be dangerous if luck falls on them.

@Truth – I don’t underestimate the Diesel. Let me check him out a few games and I’ll render an opinion on his effectiveness. I still would’ve preferred him over Theo.

@Edwin – Love Harry…good stuff.

@Lew – Em is the Man. Great choice…I never heard that Mega Mix before.


In his honor, here's some Coltrane:

Posted by: The Triangulator | March 30, 2011 at 11:37 AM
Triangulator – You’re pulling out the heavy artillery. Don’t peak too early :-) . Very fitting for a Laker tribute since Capt. named his autobiography after Coltrane’s historic album.


"Dogs are man's best friend!
Cats are twisted!"

I'll take it further...

Length of canine domestication: 250,000 years

Length of feline domestication: 10,000 years

During canine domestication: Humans generally living simply in harmony with nature.

During feline domestication: Humans start building pyramids, sacrificing humans to gods with jackal heads and war


Cats are evil.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


island priest - Your comment at 3:30 directed to JAMF was inappropriate and was removed. This is a warning.

The septics will retire anyone's number.

Lets see...

In 36 games: 4.9 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 9.3 points and 3.3 FOULS per game

No wonder they have the most retired numbers in the NBA.

Snaq will do nothing in the playoffs.
But you cant do much in only 12 games.

They wont make the finals

:island priest - Your comment at 3:30

But wait, I thought he was the leader of the blog?



Medina you are biased. People attacked the priest all day everyday and you don't warn them. Justa attacked me with no provocation. People use expletives against the priest and you don't even delete them. You may agree with your friends but the world is about difference of opinion and that is what the priest is all about. Try develop fairness for pete sake.

IP-Dude you are FUNNY, what are you SMOKING?

This is a DRAMA day I guess.

O.K. Mamba24 time to make your GRAND return.

She said that hobbit break something in my head. Someone can invoke violent conotations against the priest with impunity. Good grief it is no wonder that you just write blogs. KMFA Medina!

IP man - I didn't take it that way. I think MM's trying to make my life a little easier considering the crap I've had to deal with... no worries.

I just think hobbit squared up and dealt your opinions on Kobe a knock out blow. We can leave it at that :)

:She said that hobbit break something in my head

Maybe the best thing to do is take a reading comprehension course.
Obviously, this is not your native language.
Just run the comments by someone who reads and writes English and it will all make sense.

Just trying to help.

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