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Lakers Chat: Talking about the Lakers' triple-overtime win over Phoenix

Photo: Lakers center Pau Gasol, right, tries to put up a shot past Phoenix center Robin Lopez during the first quarter of Tuesday's game at Staples Center. Credit: Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times

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Photo: Lakers center Pau Gasol, right, tries to put up a shot past Phoenix center Robin Lopez during the first quarter of Tuesday's game at Staples Center. Credit: Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times

 
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@BAY TO LA … I confess that I am puzzled why you persist in trying to rain on everybody’s parade. Nobody’s saying that Derek Fisher is a better player than Derrick Rose, Michael Westbrook, or Deron Williams. The Lakers obviously have too much money invested in the other four positions to afford any of those players as point guard nor is the position as important when you run the Triangle.

What we are saying is for this team, this superstar, this coach, Derek Fisher is the right fit right now. This team does not need another superstar. There aren’t enough basketballs. And all of the guys you keep bringing up not only are not obtainable by this team but would be poor fits considering the current personnel. Like Mitch Kupchak reminded everybody in his recent interview, it’s about the fit. It’s about finding the right guys to play in this offense and with these players. It’s about chemistry.

Would we like it if Fish were quicker and better? Sure, just like we’d love Kobe to have better shot selection, Lamar to play smarter, and Pau to play tougher. Your posts basically ignore what Fish does provide this team, which while intangible, have a major impact and are appreciated by his teammates and coaches. We’re talking about his great leadership, toughness, veteran savvy, knack for drawing charges, and ability to make big plays in the clutch, like his steal and two free throws last night.

Anyway, like I said at the start, what’s your point? That Fish should be replaced by Blake? If so, then talk about what you like about Blake. That Fish should be traded? Ain’t gonna happen. His value is not as great to other teams as it is to the Lakers. That he should be cut? We’d still have to pay him. So why not cheer for him since he isn’t going anywhere and Phil’s going to continue to play him? Why spend your time groaning and complaining about him. All it does is rain on your and our parade. Criticize him. No problem. But you’ve allowed yourself to become the Grinch who’ll miss the 3-peat.
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TOM

Man, I am so tired! But it was all so worth it to see Kobiashi, Doin' Work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: Mr. Laker | March 23, 2011 at 03:59 PM

Not a sign of an intelligent person, as a leader Kobe should distribute the workload to ensure optimum production from his TEAM. His team mates are no slouches , get paid in millions, hand picked by experts, star in their own rights, and like Kobe are proven winners. The irony of it is that Kobe is so consumed with MJ's legacy that it has a negative effect on his output at times, this is when he pushes his team mates aside and seizes the center stage and goes into solo tap dancing act, like 81 points, while he huffs and puffs and battles his way through not one, not two, not three, not four but five players. We want to see a team game and not one on one, mano-a-mano, yawn! Kobe is a an enigma, he alone can disrupt the flow of the game by "dominating the ball" as noted by coaching great Phil. Please NO STATS!!!! If stats were the ultimate measurement of player's greatness then a player like Dfish would have not intrinsic value, simply cease to exist.

Chowds lose.

Here's a cool website for NBA addicts. I know LRob will love this!

http://hoopism.com/

Holy Smokes, the Phoenix Suns are playing tonight. Can you imagine how tired they must be? Hahaha.

I think that Fish and Blake are probably 2 of the smartest but not greatest and most athletic highlight reel pg's in the league. The combo gives us 2 guards who are smart guards, that know how to run the offense (give Blake some more time...he will shine)... When the Lakers got Blake (and Barnes) I was screaming....Caracter and Ebanks look like they can play as well...Theo, and Joe Smith are veterans and Phil will play them in spots.

Let's not be arrogant at 51-20 and still complaining. These guys aren't perfect. They all make mistakes. This was a good win. Good and bad things happened but we fought and pulled out the win. I don't think the Lakers have arrived, but I'm sure they don't feel that way either. Can we just enjoy this great game and instant classic without picking OUR favorite team apart. I live in Texas and I am not a Spurs fan, but their fans are loyal and supportive of their team. Sure you have some that harp on their mistakes, but the majority of them are diehard fans of the team. You don't hear a lot of "it was a good game but..." here.

any_one_mouse,

re: your conversation w/ downNout in BH.

He doesn't get your point. He's not interested in getting your point.

Think about this. MJ won 6 championships. Does anybody remember
that he took 35 shots to score 42 pts? Nope. Does anyone remember
that he had 1 assist. Nope. Do they remember the 6 championships?
yep.

So ... You have two consolation prizes.

1. Kobe should end up with more championships than MJ.
[ No. I'm not saying that he's better than MJ. ]

2. When the Haters call him a ballhog, you can respond w/ 7 rings.

Other than that you're better off talking to the wall about Kobe. You'll get
a more intelligent response.

Do you really think Kobe is thinking about MJ when he is playing and in the heat of the moment? Do you think he's bouncing the ball and thinking I have to be better than MJ on this play? He took some bad shots. There were a couple of plays where he should have passed or dribble too much. However the majority of the time he took good shots whether they went in or not. I would say 70% of his game last night was good. Regardless the team fought hard and overcame mistakes and won the game. I am happy for the team.

I do have to say one thing though.

re: Not a sign of an intelligent person, as a leader Kobe should distribute the workload to ensure optimum production from his TEAM

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310322013

3 Lakers had a double-double. Kobe almost had a triple-double.
LO had a career night. Kobe led the team in assists && somebody isn't
satisfied.

Things that make you go hmmm .....

Good points hobbitimage

As Bugs Bunny would say, whats up doc, stats vats!!

If MJ's 6 tiles is the barometer for greatest player then what about Bill Russell with, cough cough 11 titles. Kobe blowhards keep suggesting more title than MJ would qualify Kobe as the greatest. Stats, stats and stats a simpleton view of greatness or simply one dimensional view. Is there intelligent life outside of planet earth or are we just stuck in a one dimensional life, black and white?

I'm not even going to lookitup....when Russell played there were probably only about 12-16 teams in the league....the game was different...different better or different worse???? I don't judge or know, and I don't care, I just enjoy watching the Lakers win or lose... I can't jump to the parallel universe and come back and report...here's the facts....Kobe has 5 championships, and has a pretty good career so far.

Nothing against Bill Russell, he should be in the conversation as GOAT, but he was surrounded by Hall of Famers.

If MJ's 6 tiles is the barometer for greatest player then what about Bill Russell with, cough cough 11 titles. Kobe blowhards keep suggesting more title than MJ would qualify Kobe as the greatest. Stats, stats and stats a simpleton view of greatness or simply one dimensional view. Is there intelligent life outside of planet earth or are we just stuck in a one dimensional life, black and white?

Posted by: downNout in BH | March 23, 2011 at 07:40 PM


You know, it's funny you've failed to mention that Kobe's created his own legacy.


A long time ago, there was a young inventor who kept a running compendium of Leonardo DaVinci, who the men aspired to not only match his inventions, but surpass his greatness. That man's name was Thomas Edison. He compared himself to the great DaVinci as a means of spirited competition.

Kobe has done a similar exercise with Jordan. You're trying to compare Kobe to Jordan. You've failed to mention or maybe even think, that Kobe's created and molded his own legacy. Like Davinci to Edison, soon the debates will end and will be seen that Kobe has his own legacy, is in his own class of greatness, that only few athletes have ever reached or could dream about.

Bugs Bunny was the ultimate smartass, you're not the penultimate smartass. You're in a long line of the dumb gluteal muscle class. Talk that trash, just be prepared to eat the crow that's served up afterwards.

Some one help me with all the Hall of Famers Kobe has played with? Shaq and.........??

Hey guys. Just a reminder: I will be talking to Ron Artest soon and I will forward him 10 of your best questions. Tell me your questions in the comments threat, at The Times' Lakers Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/latimeslakers

Here are the Hall of Famers that Bill Russell played with: Tom Heinsohn, Sam Jones, KC Jones, Bob Cousy, Frank Ramsey, Clyde Lovellette, Bailey Howell and John Havlicek. JUST SAYIN'!

As Bugs Bunny would say, whats up doc, legacy fallacy all just a mumbo jumbo and a past time for couch potatoes.



@DEREK JETER… So here’s a good question for you. Would any of these guys be HOF players if they played today. After all, as you pointed out, there were very few teams and a African Americans were the minority then, not the majority like they are today. Basically, you might as well compare salaries because today’s game is a completely different animal with free agency, twice as many teams, the Internet, twitter. Or alternatively, what you had then was the cream of the crop whereas what we have now is a watered down league. Probably some of both in the real answer. Anyway, my take is that some of these guys would be superstars today and some of them wouldn’t. Russell and Wilt today would totally dominate. Cousy lives today in Steve Nash. But some of these legends would only be great players today – not Hall of Famers. At least that’s my take, which nobody can prove wrong.
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TOM

@GDUB – I enjoyed Muhsinah, especially on Construction. She’s good. I saw that she also was on one of the Foreign Exchange songs you had posted before. So on your recommendation I listened to some more of her stuff and really like “Billyclub”, one she did with your other homey Wayna. (Sorry for the delayed response but you can blame last night triple overtime classic...lol)


@MVP – Thanks for the link to Hoopism. You’re right, I love it. The greatest shots in NBA history was pretty cool (despite them omitting Kareem’s game winning sky hook in the 74 finals). I’ll definitely spend some time there.


@kbsince99 – Since you’re down in Spur country can you tell me why Pop hasn’t played Spitter more this year? To me it seems obvious that the Spurs don’t have enough size to seriously challenge for the title without some kind of contribution from him. Maybe Pop thinks they can win playing small ball, but I can’t think of a team that’s won the title with that formula yet. I know Pop will be forced to play him now, but I’m just wondering why he’s been reluctant.

You're in a long line of the dumb gluteal muscle class.
Posted by: Sean | March 23, 2011 at 08:08 PM

I suppose it is easy to resort to name calling when the intellect can't compute or is beyond its capacity. Carry on!!

Looks like last night game has taken a toll on the Suns "gray beards". Five minutes left in the 4th and G. Hill and Nash are still on the bench. Raptors up by two. Nash has only played 16 minutes and Hill 6 minutes. Of course, it doesn't hurt to have Brooks as the backup. He's leading the Suns with 20pts. Smart coaching by Gentry.

Tho' I didn't get to see the 2nd half of last night's game, as always, I'm glad to get a hard-earned W. It'll be good to get Drew back on the court tomorrow against that other LA NBA franchise. :-)

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@LRob: For today's musical contribution, I think I'll go with an old favorite of mine...enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhOfC4FOaeE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kAOZfyqHSs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44-ShN1i5SM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b28Y5AJqOas&feature=related

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Let's go Ls...all the way to a 3-peat!!!!!

Dfish fans will go to any extreme to defend him its ridiculous....

if dfish goes without a single FG in regulation + 3 OT periods they will say he had 0 Turnovers
if dfish gets 2 assts in 48 minutes they will say he had 4 INSTRUMENTAL steals
if dfish is a consistent LIABILITY defensively to faster PG they will say hes a great get this "help" defender
if dfish gives up SEASON HIGHS with regularity to faster PG they will say well theres guards just cant guard other guards in the league today
if dfish consistently makes POOR decisions and forces bad shots they will say hes a clutch shooter
if dfish has pathetic FG percentages last 3 years averaging 38% shooting WIDE OPEN shots they will say he will make them in the playoffs
if dfish consistently gets more PT then his backup PG because phil loves him they will say TRUST PHIL he always makes the right decisions
if dfish is absolutely WORTHLESS to every other team in the NBA they will say hes a great fit for the triangle...

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.. GIVE ME A BREAK!!

@LRob:No aplogies necessary, glad you liked 'Muhsinah', she's very,very talented and I expect nothing but great things from her in the future...and 'Wayna's' pretty good, too.:-)

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@bronxlakerfan: I forgot to acknowledge you from the other day,glad you're enjoying my musical selections and hope I can continue to bring you a small bit of pleasure.:-)

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Let's go Ls...all the way to 3-peat!!!!!

Well, 8 of Russell's rings came when you could win it all by only winning two series..... 8 wins is all it took. Actually, one took only 7 wins

Now you need 16 wins

Just saying....


LA Lakers 2009-2010 Back-to-Back NBA Champions

It turns out GHill didn't play after the 1st Qtr because he was under the weather "flu like" symptons. Nash plays the final 5 minutes and Suns close out the Raptors with a 17-3 run. Capt Canada credited Brooks and the rest of the bench. Steve Nash is a class act.


@MVP - Gentry took your advice and closed the game with Nash and Brooks today. Hard to judge it since Toronto would probably also have a tough time stopping me and you.

Dfish fans will go to any extreme to defend him its ridiculous....

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.. GIVE ME A BREAK!!

Posted by: yellofever | March 23, 2011 at 09:06 PM
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And Haters like you simply will never get it. It is off the charts UNBELIEVABLE that you call yourself a Lakers fan and chastise those REAL Lakers fans who hold Derek Fisher in high esteem.

.04
2009 NBA Finals Game 4
2010 NBA Finals Game 3
2010 NBA Finals Game 7

,,, just to name a few.

Is there something about those moments that you either blocked out or simply don't grasp? Oh I get it, he sucked before the afrementioned big moments in those games and put the Lakers in a position to lose. Let me guess. You STILL wish that Kwame Brown had ripped Derek's arm out of its socket. What a peach.

888,

Not all people who say they are Laker fans on this blog really are. That is one way a troll can invade a blog and spout all kinds of things under the guise of being a "fan".

Lots of "fan trolls" here... frolls?

I wondered how much the other blogs were infested with trolls.

I went to the septics, bulls, funs, queens.

Well first of all, those blogs suck. There is no soul or intelligence in any of them. But there are almost no trolls. Maybe they moderate them more, I don't know.


LA Lakers 2009-2010 Back-to-Back NBA Champions

HBMatt

Yep. And from my experience on here, that cat is The Mother of All Posers!

@MVP - Gentry took your advice and closed the game with Nash and Brooks today. Hard to judge it since Toronto would probably also have a tough time stopping me and you.

Posted by: LRob | March 23, 2011 at 09:31 PM
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Too little, too late Alvin!

LRob, thanks for acknowledging that observation of mine, by the way. Sometimes it's hard to gauge whether or not posts even get read in here. You are one of the considerate people who goes out of his way to acknowledge your fellow bloggers' efforts and I am much appreciative of that.

I've been to a few of the Lakers Blogs on the net and I must say, they are moderated with an iron fist. Take for example SS&R, from what I have read, the moderator demands that you back up your BS if you're a troll. If it doesn't happen, the troll gets banned.

@HBMatt: I absolutely agree with you on the "Frolls". Constructive criticism is fine and dandy as far as I'm concerned, but some of these so called fans (which they are not) just want to turn a good thing sour for their own sick pleasure. It kind of reminds me of that guy that poisoned those two oaks at Auburn. He may have killed the trees, but he only brought the school and the community together. The trolls and Frolls are just lucky there is a certain amount of freedom on this blog, because if not, I'm pretty sure there would be Alot of angry little twelve year olds or fat balding nose picking uber fans from other teams masquerading as Lakers fans trying and failing to get into our beloved blog.

All I know is this: the team is ahead of Dallas, Orlando, Miami and Boston. Right now, Chicago is holding the 2nd best record which is holding us back from HCA in The Finals. The next few weeks of the regular season are going to be fantastic. All of these games will count and then it's on to the playoffs!


"Everything about the Lakers is geared toward winning playoff games. It's what they do." J.A. Adande


"Even when we didn’t make the playoffs, I thought we'd win the championship." Dr. Buss


Go Lakers & In Buss We Trust!!

Battle of the rooks going down to the wire....Wall has 31pts/10asst vs. Blake 31pts/15 reb. Wall hit the bucket that forced OT. Buckle up. If Lawler's law is in effect then the Clips should win since they were the first to 100.

LakerTom....

You beat me to the comeback of the "greats" that Russell played with....Some obviously were pretty good, some may have just been better than the others in the league in those days....dang, I cut my finger and it's heavily bandaged...I think, I may need stitches....about Celtic greats....how GREAT were they really...Don Nelson keeps popping into my mind....Havlicek was pretty good, but in reality was he earth shattering great??? I'm not saying he wasn't....I'm just saying......think!

h.

Now this brings some things into perspective:

"Well, 8 of Russell's rings came when you could win it all by only winning two series..... 8 wins is all it took. Actually, one took only 7 wins

"Now you need 16 wins

Just saying....


LA Lakers 2009-2010 Back-to-Back NBA Champions

Posted by: HBMatt | March 23, 2011 at 09:15 PM"

Great point HBMatt...so maybe we should "asterisk" those, I'm being sarcastic...

yellofever.....I think you should check for a fever, you are somewhat worked up.....take a "chill pill"....

about the troll talk, there have been trolls here, and they've been filtered out eventually...you can't screen a person out cuz they had a bad day, or something....a real troll will show their worthlessness, and sometimes it's ok to let them have the podium for a moment....1st amendment...

"Anyway, like I said at the start, what’s your point? That Fish should be replaced by Blake? If so, then talk about what you like about Blake. That Fish should be traded? Ain’t gonna happen. His value is not as great to other teams as it is to the Lakers. That he should be cut? We’d still have to pay him. So why not cheer for him since he isn’t going anywhere and Phil’s going to continue to play him? Why spend your time groaning and complaining about him. All it does is rain on your and our parade. Criticize him. No problem. But you’ve allowed yourself to become the Grinch who’ll miss the 3-peat.
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TOM

Posted by: LakerTom | March 23, 2011 at 07:04 PM"

I think Blake should at least be tested out as a starter. Everyone is always calling him a dud and a disappointment and I don't think he has really been given an opportunity to increase his role. He's quicker, he's a better shooter, and he sets up his teammates well.

I didn't even say anything bad about Fisher but it seems that if I even suggest a role switch between the two, I'm accused of bashing Fisher.

Whew!!! I've Finally Decompressed from Watching Triple Overtime Last Night! GREAT GAME!!!!!!

I don't know what the broadcasters on TNT were talking about Kobe's not having an efficient night. Almost a triple-double and 15 of 31 (just under 5o%) from the field... Talking Heads Need Better Earwigs!

Fisher may not have shot well, but he had some clutch D...

Lamar had a few guffaws, but overall is the BEST SIXTH MAN OF THIS SEASON!

And Ron Ron did Great! In honor of Ron Ron's Great D and increased offensive production since the All-Star Break:

Here's Some Max Bennett, affectionately titled "Taking a Chance on Me"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ldX9RZhKw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

KOBE BEAN BRYANT IS "THE LOGO OF PROFESSIONALISM!"

@MVP - Thanks. I do read the majority of the post and insightful comments like your suggestion of the Nash/Brooks combo usually stick with me. BTW, what a great opportunity for Brooks to learn from one of the best.


@humanomaly - Yes, absolutely, positively, unequivocally Havlicek was one of the great ones. The 60's were before my time but I understand he was the go to man on the C's last couple chips from that era. From watching him in the 70's two things I remember vividly that testify of his greatness...1) The 74 Finals game 6 where Hondo matched Kareem with clutch shot after clutch shot. He was finals MVP that year in what was his last really great season. 2) Him playing in the Eastern Conference finals in 73 vs. the Knicks with a severe shoulder injury. He had trouble lifting his arm, but still competed admirably.


He was a great two way player 11 times All-NBA 1st or 2nd team and 8 times Defensive 1st or 2nd team.

@GDub – St. Germain was another good selection. I going have to add him to my collection.


@Triangular – Enjoyed the Max Bennett. You’re expanding my traditional jazz knowledge :-)

I think Blake should at least be tested out as a starter. Everyone is always calling him a dud and a disappointment and I don't think he has really been given an opportunity to increase his role. He's quicker, he's a better shooter, and he sets up his teammates well.

I didn't even say anything bad about Fisher but it seems that if I even suggest a role switch between the two, I'm accused of bashing Fisher.

Posted by: Bay to LA | March 23, 2011 at 11:34 PM
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Bay to LA,

I don't agree with people calling Blake a dud or a disappointment. I've come to his defense here a few times. He's had his ups and downs just like nearly everyone of his teammates this season (except maybe LO). He's settling into his role well. In fact his defense has been better than I expected recently. I would like him to shoot a few more floaters and shots in the lane, but other than that I have no complaints.

As far as Blake starting...its hard to argue with 51-20. His opportunity for increased minutes are more likely to come in the 4th quarter of games that he's playing well and Fish is struggling. IIRC, PJ played him in one of the recent games in that capacity and he did well.

Down and out you make some excellent points about kobe the enigma. But you will be attacked for your intelligent and sound observations because what I have discovered that intelligence is not wanted nor appreciated on this blog. All that is required is for you to type is kobe perfect and can do no wrong. If you do then Medina will give you the comment of the day title and mamba24 will let you ride shotgun on the kobe bandwagon. Be that as it may, Kobe is a part of one of the most talented laker team ever assembled. Jerry buss was correct in his assessment about this team. Jordan never played with such talent. Look at the bench, barnes was a starter on the magic team. UPS would be a starter or at least the 6th man on any other team. LO is a superstar and will be the 6th man of the year. No doubt he would be a starter on any other team. Blake a solid pg. Ron ron a lock down defender who can score. Gasoft the most talented big man in the nba today. Bynum a natural beast with talent and can hit his free throws. Kobe the closest thing to jordan. Fisher ummm did I talk about Ron Ron? Ohh yeah. The point is that this team should be challenging mj's 72 game winning record and not struggling to put the suns away. The lakers are inefficient cause kobe plays selfish and dumb basketball. If Kobe plays the right way consistently then the lakers would be awesome. In the boston series last year there was no reason why la couldn't have beaten them in about 5 to 6 games. In game 2 pau was dominating and kobe decided he must increase his points so that he would be named mvp and la lost the game. The Showtime lakers were awesome because they didn't have any selfish players like kobe. If kareem had the advantage magic would pass that ball to him every trip down the floor until the other team made adjustments. Ditto for Worthy or himself. On this team kobe always have to be the hero and that is the problem. But then again kobe never went to university so maybe that is why he doesn't play as smart as magic. Kobe is so selfish that if la repeats and pau gets the mvp award,kobe would be depressed and start feuding with Gasoft next season.

3rd!

2nd coming soon! 1st out of reach, but that's okay.

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Island Priest-
Just come out and say you don't like KB24.

Island Priest
Intelligent and sound observations are always welcomed in this blog and appreciated. But can you muster intelligent and sound observations about the Lakers without mentioning MJ is the best, and Kobe sucks?
You do not come on this blog to support the Lakers. If you did, your argument shouldn't be MJ was better, or Kobe didn't do this.

Stuckey laid a full turtle on bridesmaidzillas head... Bosh got turtled on badly....

looking through the live chat,and also some past comments I saw some talk about how long Kobe has left. I keep thinking on that gq article about laker fans, cause it's amazing that so many people dis the teams leader and superstar yet act like he isn't the main reason for winning. the guys 32 now and people talking about how he doesn't look as good as mj did at that age yada yada.How much time he has left after 2014..etc wtf..I f nash and kid are still going,if big z,juwan howard,heck even grant hill,shaq,kg....Name 1 of those that are better than kobe now or in his prime.... Lakerfans/Kobe haters...Kobe haters/lakerfans.. I wouldn't have liked if they wern't the two time champs...........

Hey PSP

Given that you refuse to define "practice season: for us (because you can't), why don't you analyze the comments made by Robert Horry in the phone interview below. I'd love to read your thoughts:

"They're rolling," former Lakers forward Robert Horry said in a phone interview. "It's impressive that they've only lost one game since the All-Star break, especially since it's an old team like that jelling down the stretch. People don't realize it's hard to get motivated, it's hard to find the energy to get up for those [early-season] games, especially when you go so long the previous season."

Horry was part of three Lakers championships in the early 2000s. He understood what Jackson was doing with the starters.

"Him and his mind games," he said, chuckling. "He likes to see mentally strong teams. He's got to get them sharp. I think that was a good test for him to say, 'Hey, let's see what kind of stamina they've got.' "

Hobbitmage- KUDOS!

Mamba24- KUDOS!

LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

I think Blake should at least be tested out as a starter. Everyone is always calling him a dud and a disappointment and I don't think he has really been given an opportunity to increase his role. He's quicker, he's a better shooter, and he sets up his teammates well.

I didn't even say anything bad about Fisher but it seems that if I even suggest a role switch between the two, I'm accused of bashing Fisher.

Posted by: Bay to LA | March 23, 2011 at 11:34 PM
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Please cut the crap. The fact that you quote S Perkins and agree with him on ANYTHING regarding Derek Fisher is conclusive evidence that you bash Fish.

As for this comment: "I think Blake should at least be tested out as a starter," I have a much better idea. Why don't you defer to Phil Jackson, who gets paid to make these decisions. He knows his team better than anyone on the planet, dons 11 rings, and has them in a position to three-peat the way they are playing.

Here's what Chris Webber had to say about it after the 139-137 triple overtime win against the Suns on Tuesday:

"My takeaway from all of that is the rest of the NBA needs to get ready," TNT analyst Chris Webber said. "We always talk about Kobe [Bryant] is old, we talk about everything else. You can talk about the roller coaster this year, but these guys are for real and the NBA needs to take note."

Your comments about disturbing the Lakers' rotations after they have embarked on a 13-1 run down the stretch of the regular season are disturbing in and of themselves if you're REALLY a Lakers fan. Then again ....

Here's what Chris Webber had to say about it after the 139-137 triple overtime win against the Suns on Tuesday:

"My takeaway from all of that is the rest of the NBA needs to get ready," TNT analyst Chris Webber said. "We always talk about Kobe [Bryant] is old, we talk about everything else. You can talk about the roller coaster this year, but these guys are for real and the NBA needs to take note."

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | March 24, 2011 at 06:24 AM

did he call for a TIME OUT before or after?

I hope it's too late for other teams to prepare for this team that emerged after the all-star break.

Island Priest,

you wrote: Down and out you make some excellent points about kobe the enigma. But you will be attacked for your intelligent and sound observations because what I have discovered that intelligence is not wanted nor appreciated on this blog. All that is required is for you to type is kobe perfect and can do no wrong. If you do then Medina will give you the comment of the day title and mamba24 will let you ride shotgun on the kobe bandwagon.

my response: Actually you have this wrong. If you write something
supportive about Andrew Bynum you immediately get the Rick Friedman
award. [ No, I'm not picking on Bynum. ]

However if you & DownNoutin BH want to make some intelligent
observations .... do so.

Let me help by asking you some questions:

Q1. What is your criteria for GOAT?

Q2. What is your criteria for dismissing someone as the GOAT?

here's a list to help you get started:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Greatest_Players_in_NBA_History

I can't wait to find out how intelligent your comments actually are.

Good Luck!

KobeMVP888

Hello; your worst nightmare here :-) . So you have been picking up some battle strategy from the PSP eh? Not a bad idea son, learning from authorized personnel.

So after getting straight mollywhopped in blog war III you are back for some more? No worries, the PSP will be happy to oblige.

Anyway the PSP think you don't listen very well or maybe you just CHOOSE not to listen. Did you or did you not hear the PSP tell you not to be a sooty,black pot. Before you went on your self imposed sulk fest, you made certain accusations that the PSP asked you to back up and instead of doing that you hurled more insults at yours truly. Now you wanta the PSP to answer your questions?

Here is the deal like the PSP already mentioned; you go back and answer the questions that the PSP asked and you get your answers straightup. If you want, the PSP can 'refresh your memory'; are the archives great or what?

Thanks
PSP Solutions Architect

Hey mr blog squadron leader 888,

'm glad to bring out that fiery spirit in you but who died and made you KING again? Okay I'm gonna try and play nice with you today eventhough you just called me a troll and "mother of all posers" and even peach last night?? (But peach? I've been called a lot of names before but never that) Lol

Today is a hazy but beautful bright morning and I do not wish to start our day on a sour note xchanging insults with cretins... I see you're back passionately posting again and hope you will keep it up but I'm gonna have to ask you to please work on improving your blog manners

Now I really want you to stick around this time and don't want you to quit on all ur loyal blog supporters again...I think its important for your own blog health you strongly work on following simple blog etiquette rules this time around... I know it was really embarrassing to watch you get run out of here before with your tail between your legs so I sincerely hope it doesn't happen again.. Just a forewarning but next time no more mr nice guy.

Island Priest,

you wrote: The point is that this team should be challenging mj's 72 game winning record and not struggling to put the suns away. The lakers are inefficient cause kobe plays selfish and dumb basketball. If Kobe plays the right way consistently then the lakers would be awesome.

my response: We had this conversation at the beginning of the season. If
you listen to Bynum, Odom & Gasol ... in no way shape or form have they
laid this at Kobe's feet. Yes, of course, you argue that they wouldn't. Ummm
Neither did Phil. Actually, he said that part of the problem is being on the
west coast and travel issues, but I digress.

Going back to what the players actually said: We have a lack of attention
based upon outside circumstances: ring raffle, reality tv, fragrances,
health issues, complacency, high minutes ... etc. etc. etc.

Here's a question for you: If LO goes 2-9 ... should Kobe pass him the ball
more?

Here's another question for you: If D-Fish is 1-6 & Blake is 0-4 ... who
should Phil play more?

If you had been doing anything constructive, besides worshiping at the
altar of MJ, you probably would have noticed these things ... However,
I digress.

Ok. Here's a chance for your to give me instruction. Are you ready?

Q1. If the Lakers are inefficient because Kobe plays selfish & dumb
basketball, please explain how Kobe is the assist leader on the Lakers?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2011.html

Sorry to bring up the stats. I know. They're worthless. However, the
stats say that Kobe is playing less minutes than Pau and ~ 2 mins. more
than LO. So ... How do we get that Kobe has 93 more assists than Pau
with less playing time?

Q2. If the Lakers are inefficient because Kobe plays selfish & dumb
basketball, please explain how the Lakers are lined up for a 3-peat?

Q3. If your answer to Q2 involves the fabulous play of the other Lakers
please explain why the Miami Heat don't have the best record in the NBA.
You have 3 all-stars on that team which is more than the Lakers have.
Less than the Celtics have, but that's a different thread.

Q3A. Given that neither LBJ nor D-Wade nor C-Bosh are ball hogs ...
how come they haven't elevated the talent around them to crush the
rest of the league?

No, I don't have answers for these questions. You're the one with the great
observations and intelligent comments, which don't involve statistics, so
I'm waiting for you to educate me.

MM
Thanks! I hope I can contribute something meaningful this time around.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | March 22, 2011 at 05:25 PM

Are you implying that you had NO CONTRIBUTION in the previous months?

I will defer to … MVP888

Basketball is a team game that isn't necessarily measured by statistics. It's a team game. Players like Derek Fisher effect games in a positive way without putting up numbers.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | March 22, 2011 at 10:57 PM

Indeed, 0-7 does not count. Just statistics.

I'm wondering: when you are comparing this Lakers team record vs. other PJ's teams records who attempted a 3-peat, is that "statistic" or "archive"?

Island Priest,

you wrote:

In game 2 pau was dominating and kobe decided he must increase his points so that he would be named mvp and la lost the game.

my response: Would you explain this to me?

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300606013

says that Kobe shot the ball 20 times [ 8-20 ].

You're going to argue that he should have passed the ball more?

that same link says that Artest shot 1-10 & D-Fish shot 2-8.

that same link says that LO only shot 3 times.

that same link says that Kobe played less minutes than any of the other
starters, so ... why does Kobe have more assists than any other starter?

re: Pau dominating.

ummm .... Are you going to smoke some of that with me?

that same link says that Ray Allen was 8-11 from the 3 and Kobe had 5
fouls. FYI, Artest had 6, Bynum had 5 and LO had 5 as well.

Please, enlighten me. I think everyone on this blog is looking for some
sort of intelligent observation from you about this.

yellofever

I hope you will like this:

Luke back on the court: Lakers almost jinxed

KobeMVP888 back on the blog: Fisher 0-7

KobeMVP888 back on the blog: the TOXICITY level on the blog higher than the radiation level at the Fukushima Plant

KobeMVP888 jinxes the Lakers.

Boston lost! There are now only two teams that have a better record than us and Chicago is on our sights. They have to play Orlando and Boston before the season ends, but they have a fairly easy schedule until then. They have six away games left to our four. We still have to play the Spurs, OK, Dallas and Denver… This makes the other ones “must wins”. The Clippers are going down!

I am not ready to use the work "Killer" yet, but the B's are showing signs of life. Matt was outstanding! Blake took four shots! Shannon has had a real up and down season. He had an off night last night. I hope he gets it going by mid April!

I love Fish. He is clutch. He is a great leader. He is as strong as a bull and will step in and take a charge. He does whatever it takes – dives on the floor, etc. He hits really, really big shots. But… Fish is always going to frustrate me against smaller, quicker guards. Brooks has always had his number. If we had a point guard who could defend Brooks (or if we had Brooks… ;-), that would have been a much shorter game. I agree with another poster who said that he is glad they didn’t put him in for Vince (or Nash for that matter) in OT. Brooks shot 6 of 9 and we didn’t have an answer for him.

Ron has truly arrived. He feels comfortable. He is a Laker. He knows that he will have to win a few more rings to enter the pantheon of Laker greats. I am ready to see it.

Pau was off on his shot, but has been pretty consistent lately and has carried the team scoring wise in quite a few of our wins. Without Drew, it is a long night for Pau.

Kobe is playing himself back to health. I am glad he is getting more time off. Hopefully he will be 100% by the playoffs.

Lamar really, really stepped up with Drew out. We would have two more losses without him. He is shooting 54% - best on the team and 9th in the league. This has been his best year. He is going to be a big part of why we win another one.

I was just going through the posts and Mamba24 said he quit - something about feeling responsible for Justa leaving. Please, please, please, say it isn't so! No roll call? No poems? No "OUTSTANDING, CARRY ON!!!!"? I am going to pretend that I didn't read it and expect roll call on Friday. This season is more important than any differences we have with each other. It is getting down to it. It's winning time baby! All hands on deck!!! I need the roll call because...

I am a Lakerholic.

Humanomaly

Thanks I did take that chill pill..last night I came pretty damn close to launching my WMD ballistic 888 heat seeking missiles but took ur advice n refrained... Dfish is not immune to criticism and no other malcreant blogger has a right to call bloggers names without expecting some retribution.

Dfish is not the second coming of christ or mother teresa or ghandi... He is full of flaws as an nba player and there's plenty to prove his liabilities outweigh his assets. . And while his off the court activities is admirable it does not earn him extra minutes on the court

@MM - Thanks for posting all the previous Laker triple overtime games yesterday. I enjoyed reading about them.


@Mamba - I'm taking after Lakerholic and am ignoring that post you made about leaving.


@Lakerholic - good post!


@Thirty2 - That was indeed a nasty poster that Stuckey put Bosh in last night!

"Please cut the crap. The fact that you quote S Perkins and agree with him on ANYTHING regarding Derek Fisher is conclusive evidence that you bash Fish.

As for this comment: "I think Blake should at least be tested out as a starter," I have a much better idea. Why don't you defer to Phil Jackson, who gets paid to make these decisions. He knows his team better than anyone on the planet, dons 11 rings, and has them in a position to three-peat the way they are playing.

Here's what Chris Webber had to say about it after the 139-137 triple overtime win against the Suns on Tuesday:

"My takeaway from all of that is the rest of the NBA needs to get ready," TNT analyst Chris Webber said. "We always talk about Kobe [Bryant] is old, we talk about everything else. You can talk about the roller coaster this year, but these guys are for real and the NBA needs to take note."

Your comments about disturbing the Lakers' rotations after they have embarked on a 13-1 run down the stretch of the regular season are disturbing in and of themselves if you're REALLY a Lakers fan. Then again ....


Posted by: KobeMVP888 | March 24, 2011 at 06:24 AM "

I quoted S Perkins on his comment that some people will go to any length to praise Fisher and say he had a good game when he really didn't. Your accusations of me bashing Fisher are still unfounded.

I'm not stopping Phil Jackson from doing anything so I'm not sure what you mean that I'm not deferring to him. I'm posting my thoughts in a forum he'll never see. Relax man, it's really not that serious. If you don't agree with me, that's fine. You're free to disagree or ignore it entirely. There's really no need to take a dictatorial stance with it.

I know you've been gone for a while but I really haven't said much about the Blake/Fisher debate lately while they have been winning and playing well. I just agreed with S Perkins that people tend to look at Fisher with blinders on.

hobbitimage,

:) You know, I wasn't even trying to make a point about Kobe for GOAT. I honestly don't understand why there is so much angst about GOAT. We don't have a unanimous GOAT for baseball, football, soccer etc. Why try to establish one for basketball?

I'm with you on this one.

against phoenix suns triple overtime kobe made a big shot i think it was also a big mistake he should waste some tome or wait for the suns to foul him. It was a great shot but if that one never goes in they are in danger of loosing. Im a big LA fan but sometimes we should admit that our idol also commit mistake.

against phoenix suns triple overtime kobe made a big shot i think it was also a big mistake he should waste some tome or wait for the suns to foul him. It was a great shot but if that one never goes in they are in danger of loosing. Im a big LA fan but sometimes we should admit that our idol also commit mistake.


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