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L.A. Times' Mark Medina on Lakers' 102-84 victory over New Orleans Hornets

--Mark Medina

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MM always beats us in posting, the fastest blog moderator alive today. haha! He already got four threads, one chat under one heading, Lakers victory over NO. What a change, I used to read it only in three sentences during my teens about Laker stories, now it's a tsunami in different angles plus salami from the posters. lol!

@ Tom: Thanks for the kind words :) I get that a lot about sports ahah. It's a shame no one in Canada likes basketball otherwise I could impress more people ;)

What is with Magic Johnson going on about "us" all the sudden? Is that even him on twitter? Because he doesn't even sound like a Laker supporter or anything and then all the sudden acts like he is a huge team supporter. Bandwagon or what?

Personally, I am begging for us to meet portland at some point in the play offs so I can hop a bus and see a play off game. Even better if it's in the second round!

I missed the game tonight as it's getting down to the wire with school. Shame about Andrew being in foul trouble but really excited to see Gasol step up to the plate!!!!!! We have a few days off before the mavs. Perfect for everyone to be well rested and ready to go out and hand the mavs another loss.

Too bad Gasol logged 37 minutes. I really wish that PJ would use Joe Smith more, especially in games like these (in the end we won by 18 pts come on!) I mean we got a big for a reason. Okay, a salay dump was a huge reason, but another reason was to help for injury and stuff. So when we have at least a 10-12 point lead, put in Joe smith with LO and let Bynum and Gasol rest! Lets give them big men some rest right before play offs. That being said, I have 0 rings and have only ever coached 4th grade girls basketball so what do I know.

I will try and keep roll call going but early mornings are NOT my forte LOL and I am usually so busy as well that I don't get a chance to come on even if I am up early. If anyone wants to come in and take over please feel free.

I just got home from work, and that sucked...I hate my frickin job....anyway, I went to the boxscore to check up on my Bench mob, and another stat popped off the page...the +/- for Derek Fisher....ok Fisher haters....he had the highest of any Laker, and there wasn't any Hornet, I believe with a minus that was greater....his plus/minus was PLUS TWENTY-SIX.....did I say work sucked today???? Anyway it did, I'm gonna have to get out...before I go and do something out of protocol.....

Working on Sundays sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can someone explain to me how plus and minus stats work? It's like the one thing of basketball I truly do not understand.

I believe at this point in his coaching career, PJ will not change his sub rotation, and do what most of us would, do, see what those guys 9-12 on the active roster are capable of with the 1st team, those 46 second bursts at the end of a game, absolutely accomplish nothing. .... I had noticed as I think that we all had that Magic doesn't seem to have any real enthusiasm towards the Lakers, didn't he sell his 5% back, I was thinking he was going to go after a franchise himself, so think about that, he wants to be known as the greatest Laker of all Time, and instead, I believe he wants to be the owner of another franchise....isn't Detroit kinda available, give him Detroit, and when Fisher gets his 6th Ring, we can debate on who the greater Laker point guard was, I'm just kidding,...Magic was a special player, it's a shame they couldn't limit him passing "some "thing" back and forth...otherwise, he may have been able to pick up another ring or two, highly unlikely, as Kareem was gone, and Worthy was wearing out...Worst backcourt, Magic and Teagle, or Kobe and Smush???? I liked Smush, he had some skills that were just never harnessed, as Bob Hill hated him, and always said he did.

It measures the score when you're in the game. Plus 26 means that the Lakers outscored New Orleans by 26 points when Derek was playing.

And there's not a whole lot of Derek haters out there BTW. I think there's only one on this board that goes by the name Sleazy-E (Sam the Man)

Diandra- The plus/minus stat is just total point differential during the minutes each player was on the court. Since Fish had a plus 26 tonight, that means the Lakers outscored the Hornets by a total of 26 points while Fish was in the game. Since they won by 18, it also means that the Hornets outscored the Lakers by a total of 8 while Fish was on the bench.

+/- is a pretty good tool for determining a player's effectiveness, but it's not perfect. For example, let's say that the Lakers played so well that the starters have low total minutes, that means the bench was in playing against the other teams starters. +/- doesn't take into account who is on the court with you, for your team or the opponents. So, if Kobe is killing a team, those players who play a majority of their minutes might have a high +/- without having that much real impact on a game. Individual game +/- can be a bit misleading, but taken over a large sample size it is a fair indicator of a players impact for his team. Not perfect, but a pretty good tool if used accordingly.

thanks guys!! this makes a lot more sense now. I am definitely going to read into these plus or minus stats on box scores now. Usually I just look over them and assume its some bias thing LOL

+/- is a pretty good tool for determining a player's effectiveness, but it's not perfect. For example, let's say that the Lakers played so well that the starters have low total minutes, that means the bench was in playing against the other teams starters. +/- doesn't take into account who is on the court with you, for your team or the opponents. So, if Kobe is killing a team, those players who play a majority of their minutes might have a high +/- without having that much real impact on a game. Individual game +/- can be a bit misleading, but taken over a large sample size it is a fair indicator of a players impact for his team. Not perfect, but a pretty good tool if used accordingly.

Oops, that was supposed to say those players who play a majority of their with Kobe.

minutes with Kobe, man I need to go to bed

Derek Fisher was 1/8 tonight, which isn't a big deal anyway. It's not play offs yet ;)

On ther other hand Steve Blake was -8. I wonder if it was who he was playing with or if he is really struggling lately as badly as everyone is saying?

Here's the thing...

Mark Medina is a fine, prolific writer who tells it like it is and manages to primarily rise above the modern sports "journalist" plague of saying things just to stir controversy and promote reaction, indepdentent of whether or not this form of "stirring the pot" is based in any form of intelligence, reason, experience and wisdom.

In that regards, kudos to you, Mark!

However, bro, not only do your post-game wrap-ups download painfully slow, they are often a little awkward and stumbling. They also often lack the necessary perspectives of humor, outrage, confusion, and amazement. (You get the amazement part down better than the others.)

It's cool. I get it. I can type practically faster than I'm able to talk and infuse my words constantly with sarcasm and self-effacing humor--qualities that are often difficult for me to do in real time conversation. Some of us are better writers than talkers.

Here's the thing... I've noticed you are pretty good in a roundtable fielding questions and posing questions (which of course is less enerving that standing alone in front of a camera armed only with an L.A. Times-quality mic courtesy of Radio Shack).

Dude, you need a sidekick. If only the equivalent of that 13 year old kid grabbing missed shots at shooting practice to feed them back to Sasha Vujacic (notice I didn't say "Kobe?" Because the kid who feeds the ball back to Kobe is on a different pay grade than Sasha's ballboy.)

I suggest an intern from the Times or even possibly a rotating series of sidekicks, "Team Medina" if you will, consisting of Times interns, Laker girls, people who work at Stables Center (everyday people! Janitors! Nachos guys! The people who break down the court!), superfans (aka Jack Nicolson), and maybe an occasional blogger who won some irregular blog contest of your choosing to watch the game and awkwardly field you a series of pre-set questions of your choosing.

The thing is... sidekicks give your tremendous breadth of tone. No two people ask the same question the same way, even when the words are the same. A SIDEKICK gives you rapport--which people love--particularly when someone knows another well enough to call them one their crap/weaknesses/biases.

Mark, you're obviously a team guy, as opposed to a Tiger Woodsesque golf player. You're more Lamar Odom or Derek Fisher than that sprinter from Jamaica who has shattered all records and OBVIOUSLY is on some kind of steroids mixed with the blood of Voodoo created zombies.

Play to your strengths. Interact with people. It's what you do best.

In addition, for those of us outside the bubble (meaning 99.23617% of Laker Nation), it's really about the experience of "team," of experiencing that sense of community and the joint effectiveness of mutually supportive competitiveness, as well as DEFINING which personalities and behaviors truly contribute to "team" (the REAL source of most infighting on the blog.)

It's not that we disagree on the key principle, it's that we disagree on what best contributes to the benefit of that key principle.

Anyhow, Mark, you're doing a great job, but you aren't getting enough responses to your post-game reports and it's because: 1) They take too long to download. 2) You need a sidekick/team of sidekicks.

The Kamenetzky Brothers are more about themselves (does doubles in tennis count?) than "team" but they are intelligent, witty and entertaining. Are they as insightful, non-manipulative and "he's got it right" than you? HELL NO!!! But they get the Chick Rule, the Howard Cossell Rule, the Jim Murphy Rule: Keep it entertaining.

Here's the thing... these guys ALSO actually cared. They were about TEAM. They were about what mattered, but they were able to enhance the joy of that painful striving towards victory with wit and playfulness.

There are PLENTY of sports journalists who adhere to the Chick/Cossell/Murphy Rule... but they lack character, heart, passion, ethics, and TEAM. Entertainment without a deep committed passionate moral center (TEAM!!!) is the Devil's pablum. It is poison. And it is empty.

People will disagree on what truly benefits TEAM. People will disagree on what is entertaining. But TEAM builds victory, entertainment playfully offsets the bitter (and terrifying) human instinct to claw out our fellow spiritual brothers' (humanity) eyes as we viciously debate one another over the TRUE definition of that which benefits the Greater Good.

For you, Mark, I will now recommend a phrase from manifold (I'm probably misusing this term) Hong Kong Kung-Fu movies to contemplate: "True passion for TEAM when combined entertainingly creative presentation and whimsicalness: NONE CAN DEFEAT!!!!"

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Diandra- probably a combination of both. Like I said, taken in just one game it might be just a coincidence, but the whole bench seems to be struggling lately. It would be more fair to look at their +/- over the last 10 games or so.

If we figure that the majority of their time is with the other bench players, but also against the other teams bench, it would give a fair example of how they're doing.

Benjamin

OK, I'll admit it. I watched religiously for Erin Grey's tight outfits. Great Bod!

Here's a link for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9roJqWOHYS0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Too bad the Hornets Don't Actually Have Her at Center. With a body like that, she'd get every call. Even the female refs! LOL

Also, excellent post about your uncle. I never met him in person (that I know of), but I always could count on his solid perspective on the game.

KOBE BEAN BRYANT IS "THE LOGO OF PROFESSIONALISM!"

"AND THE BEAST GOES ON..."

An observation with my favorite Laker Derek Fisher...

He's too psychologically attached to doing all the dirty work that doesn't produce stats that people who think that Fantasy Basketball is real Basketball think are solely meanigfully important.

Thank you, Derek.

Now, please, re-embrace your true Alpha in your personality.

Those shots need to be willed in.

You are better than 1-8 and that's on you, brother.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

New Orleans Hornets at Lakers: 102-84....
LAKERS WIN........Kobe Bryant get 30 points...

Oh. I am Sorry....
New Orleans Hornets at Lakers: 84--102....

acb statistics

Ptos acb= Ptos+ rebounds+ ast+ st+ bs+ pf received
- shooter failed- pf- to -ba

LOS ANGELES LAKERS
Ron Artest 12
Pau Gasol 35
Andrew Bynum 9
Kobe Bryant 23
Derek Fisher -1
Joe Smith 0
Lamar Odom 10
Matt Barnes 1
Steve Blake 7
Luke Walton 2
Shannon Brown 6
Team 104

NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
Trevor Ariza 2
Carl Landry 24
Emeka Okafor 21
Chris Paul 15
Marco Belinelli -5
Willie Green 2
Jarrett Jack 5
Aaron Gray 8
Jason Smith -1
Quincy Pondexter -1
Team 70

comfortable win, although there are still things to fix. Lakers size cousin, but again failed to close when the rebound. 17 offensive rebounds for the Hornets are too. I do not get as brown in the first part was 2 / 7 in fgm-a and Bynum + Odom 4 / 6 when the center of the hornets are low.
Nice to see Joe Smith

acb statistics

Ptos acb= Ptos+ rebounds+ ast+ st+ bs+ pf received
- shooter failed- pf- to -ba

MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
Zach Randolph 27
Sam Young -3
Marc Gasol 19
Tony Allen 29
Mike Conley 8
Shane Battier 11
Leon Powe -4
Darrell Arthur 8
Greivis Vasquez 0
Ishmael Smith -4
O.J. Mayo 10
Hamed Haddadi 4
Team 109

SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Richard Jefferson 10
Tiago Splitter 7
Antonio McDyess 6
Tony Parker 8
Manu Ginobili 0
Matt Bonner -1
Steve Novak 0
George Hill 26
Gary Neal 7
DeJuan Blair 14
James Anderson 1
Team 78

JON K --- Haha you had me on the floor laughing! I love your suggestion. I definitely agree that I need a sidekicks for my videos. I have great chemistry with Mike Bresnahan and Brad Turner but they have lots of deadline worries postgame with filing game stories and sidebars. Hopefully I'll get a sidekick soon....

Thanks, Mark.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

By the way, my apologies for typing Jim Murray as "Jim Murphy."

It was late.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!


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