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Derek Fisher's clutch performance against Portland a reminder of how experience helps in postseason

Kobe Bryant only had to look at the supporting cast around him to remind him he wished Derek Fisher stayed with the Lakers during his entire 15-year career.

"You mean when I was throwing to Smush?" Bryant said, referring to Smush Parker, who played with the Lakers from 2005 to 2007 and provided a whole lot of headaches. "I shot with three mother **** on me. "That's the difference. Now I only shoot with one, maybe two."

Of course, shot selection still remains a debate regarding Bryant, considering he's played through a sprained left ankle injury entering the Lakers' game Sunday against Portland shooting only 36.1%. Lakers Coach Phil Jackson also went so far to argue that his shot selection lately has disrupted the offense. But Bryant's dig at Parker said it all in what he values from Fisher, who proved instrumental in the Lakers' 84-80 victory Sunday over Portland by making two critical field goals and two steals. Bryant likes Fisher by his side, a teammate that overcomes his difference in talent level with his similarity in late-game composure, experience and work ethic.

"I've been seeing it since '96," Bryant said of Fisher. "He's been doing it since day one."

At that point, both Bryant and Fisher were rookies vying for playing time any way they could. Fisher, who admitted being envious of Bryant because of his talented skillset in his biography, "Character Driven: Life, Lessons and Basketball," relayed a tale on how the two quickly forged a bond. One particular one-on-one session became rather chippy after Fisher thought Bryant was playing him too tight, an incident that soon led to an altercation. No one came to blows because neither were willing to strike first, but neither of them backed down.

"Fortunately, it didn't come to our punching each other," Fisher wrote. "We let it drop and I think we both looked at each other a little bit differently after that. We had tested each other and we'd both passed and earn each other's respect."

Since then, the Lakers compiled five championships and the two have been instrumental through clutch performances in securing each of them. That respect was on full display Sunday against Portland where the two drew up plays in the final quarter and proved largely instrumental in securing the win. In addition to Fisher's two field goals and two steals, he "made sense out of chaos," as Jackson put it, referencing to the Lakers' stagnant offense. Meanwhile, Bryant scored 10 of his 22 points in the fourth quarter.

"He likes structure and guys doing certain things and doing them the right way," Bryant said of Fisher, whom signed a three-year deal this offseason with the Lakers mainly because of Bryant's insistence that he stay. "He's a firm believe in making sure things are organized and guys are doing what they're supposed to do."

Bryant isn't just referring to the frequent speeches Fisher provides to the team, a reason why Bryant calls him "basketball Barack." He isn't just referring to the clutch shots Fisher has made in his career, such as his buzzer beater with -4 seconds left in the 2004 conference semifinals in San Antonio, his game winner in Game 4 of the 2009 NBA Finals against Orlando or his 11-point fourth-quarter performance in Game 3 of the 2010 NBA Finals against Boston. And it isn't just referring to both of their willingness to play through injuries, such as Bryant's sprained left ankle and surgically repaired right knee and Fisher not allowing a significantly sprained left elbow two weeks ago against Charlotte from ending his consecutive game streak (483). 

It also points to Bryant having another player who can finish off games in similar fashion as him, something that Laker fans should be ready to see come playoff time. 

"Is Derek a true point guard?" Jackson raised, a criticism that's often mentioned because of Fisher's inconsistent regular-season shooting percentage and struggle with defending quick guards. "Perhaps not. A lot of people would argue that. But he knows how to get a lot of things done on the floor."

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Hey just wanted to pass this along in case you missed it in Caught in the Web today. "Note: NBA TV will air a True NBA at 8 p.m, which will feature a segment on Lakers assistant coach Brian Shaw. NBA.TV and TNT's David Aldridge said the piece will center on the likelihood Shaw will succeed Phil Jackson as Lakers head coach. Aldridge said the piece will also highlight the emotional story involving his mother, father, and sister, all whom were killed in an automobile accident in July 1993. "

MM - Great, great piece on Fish - so completely overdue, I might add. Kobe said it best when he reasoned, "I've been seeing it since '96...he's been doing it since day one."
So true.
I also loved the account of their near fist-to-cuffs during their rookie season together that ultimately helped forge their unique, powerful, and enduring bond.
Fish haters just don't seem to get it.

I checked 82games.com too see their "clutch time" statistics and they're surprising. It shows Odom as being the best Lakers shooter in clutch time at 72.7% FG. Gasol is at 46.2%, Kobe 41.2%, Artest 21.4%, and Fisher at 20.0%.

As much as we notice when Fisher makes a clutch shot, no one seems to notice when he misses.

@Bay 2 LA

What did the stats say about Playoffs?

KOBE BEAN BRYANT IS "THE LOGO OF PROFESSIONALISM!"

A reminder that the FISHERking is still angling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCEJmngMeX8

Fisher's post season heroics are far and few between but when they do happen, it's at the most critical time. They become real "game changers." Whether it's taking a charge, making that last minute pass or hitting the "0.4," it always happens at the right time. It's been said time and time again: this is a playoff team and as such, Fish is a critical component.

Fish haters are lame!! There is no help or any hope for those who don't recognize greatness.

What the fans and media aren't focusing on is the most important issue of all.
cough, cough, how many losses do the Celtics have again? cough, cough

Oh, they'd have home court advantage if the season ended today?
Nobody's talking about that.

That's why you'll see Kobe play in every game no matter how bad he feels. We have no room for error here.


Assuming Brian Shaw takes over PJ next season, I am curious if Shaw will keep all of the current assistant coaches. Fisher could join his staff in near future??

Go go Lakers.Kobe and Dfish clutsness are unreal at times but they do it consistently that its not surprising me anymore...

Derek Fisher has been my favourite Laker for the past 10 years, I can't see that changing anytime soon. It's true, the offence always runs better with him on the court because he's been at it for so long he just knows what to do.

I'd much rather have Fisher in my back court in the last few minutes of a game as opposed to Lebron James

just sayin.

MIA might have their "Big Egos" and BOS might have their own "Big Trio" but nothing beats LAL's very own triumvirate of Kobe Bryant, Derek Fisher and Phil Jackson. Together they've brought LA 5 championships and continue to bring to the table winning championship experience.

SAS might have Parker or Ginobili hitting shots at 1.+ seconds. But LA's got someone who can make something come out in .4 seconds. Oh and of course, that guy they call Black Mamba who at one point last year, hit more buzzer beaters than the rest of the league combined.

PLUS there's no beating the Zen Master.

Apart from talent, skills, NBA as a game needs also to be played with brains.
With LA, it's an all in one.

I checked 82games.com too see their "clutch time" statistics and they're surprising. It shows Odom as being the best Lakers shooter in clutch time at 72.7% FG. Gasol is at 46.2%, Kobe 41.2%, Artest 21.4%, and Fisher at 20.0%.

As much as we notice when Fisher makes a clutch shot, no one seems to notice when he misses.

Posted by: Bay to LA | March 21, 2011 at 06:10 PM
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You're damn right (at least as far as it applies to LOYAL Lakers fans)!!!

0.4
Game 4 of the 2009 NBA Finals
Game 3 of the 2010 NBA Finals
Game 7 of the 2010 NBA Finals

.. just to name a few.

I have no NEED to focus on the shots he missed or misses. Derek Fisher remains one of the most valuable role players in the NBA. As last night proved down the stretch, he's as tough defensively as any player at his position, he still hits clutch shots, he's as great a leader as there is in the NBA and he has a synergy with the best player in the game that no other player can claim.

So while someone like me, a LOYAL and DEDICATED Lakers fan, understands what is important, people like you can say "well he sucked before he hit that shot and we wouldn't have been put in that position if he wasn't so horrible."

GHE vs. GHF.

If ever there was a comment that typifies the GHE mentality, which is entirely based on some of the most BS statistics available to mankind, you just pulled it off.

P.S.- I have Jon K and htj to credit for my ambivalence to post here again. I met these great guys last night at the game and Jon K encouraged me to reclaim my ground in here while htj pointed out how blind some fans are and how they don't even know what they are watching. I'm not implying you, Bay to LA, however, posting ridiculous "clutch" statistics was a perfect re-entry topic for me to chime in. I

I ask you this, Bay to LA, do people remember the number of times Babe Ruth, Reggie Jackson or Mickey Mantle went down on strikes in the clutch or do they remember the game winning home runs? I know what I remember.

All I gotta say is, 'DFish is M.O.N.E.Y.':-)

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Missed yesterday's game but, as always, glad for the W. Now let's keep the streak goin' tomorrow agaist the Suns.

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@LRob:Glad you enjoyed 'Sun', I knew you'd be familiar with the band. They're one of the more underrated 'funk' bands from that era, IMHO.

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For today's musical contribution, I think I'll go with an old classic tune...enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZo4HitDVwQ&feature=related

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Let's go Ls...all the way to a 3-peat!!!!!


@MVP… Welcome back, Kenny. Good to see that absence hasn’t made you gun shy, LOL.

The problem with trying to use stats to support the premise that Kobe Bryant or Derek Fisher are not clutch shooters is that all clutch plays aren‘t equal and all last-second wins don’t have the same value. That’s why polls of NBA players and coaches are a much better measure of a players ability to perform in clutch situations and in big games than a player’s shooting percentage in the last 2 or 4 minutes.
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Stats measuring player performance in the last 2 or 4 minutes can’t tell you how clutch a shot was or how big a win was. Kobe and Derek have proven their ability to make game and series deciding plays in the toughest situations and on the biggest stages. That’s something that pure shooting percentages or rebounds or blocks or steals cannot tell you because they are too intangible to be easily measured. You need a computer like the human brain – like the players and coaches against whom Kobe plays.
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TOM

LT

I had a great conversation with Jon K in person which sealed the deal. I have to be myself and bring my passion. If you mess with Bynum, you're a dead man. Fisher .. dead! PJ .. dead! Niedermeyer ......

"Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic... but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!"

Tom, we're just the guys to do it. Let's DO IT!!!!

Did you get MM's john hancock?

Posted by: onlyafan | March 21, 2011 at 05:45 PM

NAH!!! He was TOO BUSY watching the Laker Girls...lol!!!

888 - Welcome back to LAT blog!!!

so, is everybody talking on the blog now?

I can't keep track.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

@iheart - thanks! I forgot to give you credit. It was great meeting you yesterday!

Good article MM...my favorite part is...

Fisher, whom signed a three-year deal this offseason with the Lakers mainly because of Bryant's insistence that he stay.
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Every time someone once to trash Fish I just smile and point to Kobe. Because if it wasn't for Kobe...DFish wouldn't be here. So you can't love Kobe and hate DFish...that just doesn't make sense. Of course, he wouldn't be here if Phil didn't want him either...but many here dislike PJ so they would have no problem tossing them both out together. But the Kobe-Fish dynamic is a silencer!

last seconds of a league match in Spain (ACB)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zijh7EAAH6g&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: Israel | March 21, 2011 at 04:21 PM
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Israel – That was an incredible finish. A Jorge Garbajosa sighting. I recommend everyone watch this. The shots are unbelievable, but you got to hear the announcer…fabulous.

@Triangular – That’s pretty cool that two friends of yours played on that album with Menza.

@Mark G – Dexter served up a very tasty desert on that one.

@LT – That was vintage Willie.

@frmkt – I never heard that Joe Cuba Bang Bang before. I love it. Thanks for sharing some latin flavor.

@MVP - I'm glad to see you're officially back. You were here fighting during the dog days of December & January...so its only fitting that you're here doing the good times.


@Jon K/iheart and crew – well done!

@LRob... bringin' the latin heat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diTqKrH0p9s

Really? More GHF and GHE'ers?

There are no sides. There is only the love.

IF YOU AIN'T GOT LOVE YOU GOT NOTHIN'

(I Corinthians 13:2) (SORRY FOR GOING BIBLICAL ON YOUR OCIATION)

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

Jordan Farmar had 17 assists yesterday.. where was that play in los angeles?

Posted by: Diandra | March 21, 2011 at 05:35 PM

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It would not have been possible since in the Triangle offense, majority of the assists comes from the so-called 'Trigger' within the Triangle. The PG has a much reduced role in the Triangle.

@888 . . . welcome back! I appreciated your invitation to me during the down time...

@LakerTom. . . belated congrats on the grandsons championship ~ PRICELESS!

@LROB . . . I concur with you regarding the fastbreak style of the 60's Celtics,,, but they were not part of my personal formation of B-ball love

By the way, posting a comment at this ungodly hour as I sit in hospital waiting room with Mrs. LakerMike, awaiting the soon to be birth of our very first grandchild!

LakerMike

CONGRATS LAKERMIKE!!!! I hope you have a healthy and happy grandchild!!

Thanks Diandra!

I could use some MAMBA24 pick-me-up spirit right about now! 14 long hours waiting at hospital... nearing the finish line... daughter-in-law close to delivery now!


LakerMike

WHAT??? LakerMike a GRAND PARENT????? …AW heck, I pity the Suns tonight. To celebrate I feel a Blowout of the Suns coming on!!! Come on Laker Show, you can do it…And I know you can do it for LakerMike!!! Congrats my brother and need I say it ??? OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!! Carry On – No pun intended!!! LOL!!
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CONGRATS LAKER MIKE & MRS. LAKER MIKE ON THE BIRTH OF YOUR FIRST GRANDCHILD BANDWAGON
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By the way, posting a comment at this ungodly hour as I sit in hospital waiting room with Mrs.
LakerMike, awaiting the soon to be birth of our very first grandchild! LakerMike Posted by: LakerMike | March 22, 2011 at 02:56 AM Thanks Diandra! I could use some MAMBA24 pick-me-up spirit right about now! 14 long hours waiting at hospital... nearing the finish line... daughter-in-law close to delivery now!
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(01) DIANDRA – OWNER - CONGRATS LAKERMIKE!!!! I hope you have a healthy and happy grandchild!!
(02) MAMBA24 – DRIVER – Now that’s what I’m talking about. Congrats to you & the family my brother!!

Derek Fish - grand father time, time to retire and let the young guns run the show, geeez about time he went off fishing..

I love Derek Fisher. He's a limited player. Short and strong in a position where quickness or length are better assets. PJ was not a big Fish fan early on, bringing in Ron Harper to give him the long PG he prefers. But over time, all the things Fish does on the floor won him over and he won the job.


What Fisher does is often derided as "intangibles," as though all he does is give speeches and clean up the locker room or something.


No, Fish is not a great shooter and he doesn't stop penetration from the super-quick PGs. Yes he is a limited player. But he does bring toughness. He is a great team defender, even giving strong help on bigs because of his mental and physical toughness. He gets his hands on the ball a lot on D. No one defends a 2-1 or 3-1 break any better. He takes charges. He organizes the offense. He leads on the floor to get other guys in position. Because of his big shot rep, other teams have to defend him honestly. The bigger the game the better he is. And, let's face it, Rondo couldn't contain Rondo. Those quick guards are a team defense thing.


The Lakers want to run the offense through Kobe and Pau. That has nothing to do with triangles or rhombuses. They want the ball in those guys' hands. The PG does not run this offense, so Fish will never put up huge assist or scoring numbers. But he does his job in this system, at both ends, pretty consistently, night after night, and steps it up in bigger games.


He is no all-star, but he is one of the reasons the Lakers are successful. Just because it doesn't show up in a box score doesn't make a contribution less valuable. Stopping a fast break is as good as an assist. Taking a charge is as good as a steal. Good help defense is as valuable as a made basket. He is getting older, but I still feel confident that Fish will be a significant factor in a deep playoff run this year.

@LakerMike- Mazel Tov on your grandchild! Also, I STILL would love it if you to take me up on the invite anyway. Thanks for the welcome back, too.

@LRob- Thanks for the welcome back. We're 12 games from the starting line and I loved the fourth quarter come from behind practice the team got the other night with Kobe warming up his "closing" game. Awhile ago, when we were about 50 games into the season, you made the comment that you the thought "this is where the rubber meets the road" as it applied to PJ's previous three-peat teams. Well, the rubber met the road and the Lakers appear to have driven this puppy quite competently, turning this practice season into one of the most interesting and exciting in years! Here's where we stand going into tonight's game vs. Phoenix:

PJ THREE-PEAT WATCH

1992-93 Bulls: 49-21 (57-25)
1997-98 Bulls: 53-17 (62-20)
2001-02 Lakers: 50-20 (58-24)
2010-11 Lakers: 50-20 (??-??)

1-2-3 RING! #17 coming up STRONG!!

Laker Tom, 63.

Willie and Kris knew what was up.. so did Waylon and Johnny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ03ngpdU80

To all the Fisher-haters out there, I have one question for you. How does it feel to be so WRONG about something, and for SO LONG?? I'm just curious.

I always was a supporter of Fish, even when a lot of folks here wanted to give Blake a starting role just because he is younger. As you know when we hit a postseason game going to be played at much slower pace, majority of wins going to be grind out games with advantage less than 10 pts for the winner. Fish knows how to deliver during this time; he is been there and done this.

On the different subject matter, if someone still missing Jordan and Sasha just take a look what % they are shooting now playing supposedly in less confined than triangle system. Both of them shooting less than 40% FG or from 3pt line. They got what they wish for, especially Farmar, who craved for running team as a traditional PG “floor general”. Not exactly a screaming performance, so my conclusion, triangle was not exactly a “guilty” party as a system for not being able to showcased some talents. In fact both of them shot much better when they both played in triangle.

re: dfish, if kobe wants him, i want him. we are on the out side, on the inside, i have NEVER heard negative things about dfish. he is a real mensch. his minutes may go down a bit, depending on the situation, but he may be one of the great locker room guys.sorry fantasy league players, but that is why it is a fantasy and not a reality. there are other intangibles that cannot be quantrified and this is a perfect example of that


Posted by: Tom B. | March 22, 2011 at 07:53 AM

Dfish is nearing grand father time, a great orator but lacks physical attributes to hang with the younger guards, ok so once in a blue moon he makes a shot, yawn!!

Congratulations Laker Mike on your first grandchild, after a while you wanted another granddaughter. They are blessings and joys of retirement, sometimes I wish they were born first before my children. One remarkable change, you are a grandfather first and when the child goes on tantrum for milk or can't sleep, you hand those responsibilities to their own parents and back to being a grandpa. lol!

Welcome back 888....just want to ask hope you don't mind me asking: why are you always angry? Angry at critics of your favorite players, well that's hard to remove in a blog. It is like getting angry at rains, snow and death. You might accuse me again of being too preachy but just want to relate that I used to be a belligerent fellow too, distrustful of any establishment. I think that is common for people who grew in the sixties. Well as years go by, I learned to enjoy and humor everything and I felt the joy in transforming a perceived enemy turning him into a faithful friend.

Welcome back 888....just want to ask hope you don't mind me asking: why are you always angry? Angry at critics of your favorite players, well that's hard to remove in a blog. It is like getting angry at rains, snow and death. You might accuse me again of being too preachy but just want to relate that I used to be a belligerent fellow too, distrustful of any establishment. I think that is common for people who grew in the sixties. Well as years go by, I learned to enjoy and humor everything and I felt the joy in transforming a perceived enemy turning him into a faithful friend.

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | March 22, 2011 at 08:09 AM

Some common reasons for anger:

High Blood pressure!! Resentment, lousy job, red meat, insecurities, kids out of control, economy, demanding wife, keeping up with the Joneses, arrogance, pretense and the list goes on..

Mr Edwin Gueco:

Enjoy reading yours posts, they are always very colorful and entertaining!!

there are other intangibles that cannot be quantrified and this is a perfect example of that


Posted by: lance from da' bronx | March 22, 2011 at 08:01 AM

very deep!!!

Roll call? I don't have the patience or I would give it a go.........

One more win at a time today!

@Laker Mike - congrats on the grand daughter you're expecting. That's truly a blessing!


@MVP - Thanks for the tracking update. Even an optimist like myself didn't expect this current team to keep pace with PJ's other 3pt teams. Amazing considering all the additional games they played in going to the finals the season preceding their repeat and considering international games for Kobe, Pau and LO.

@Tom Daniels - DFish didn't get enough credit for his tough defense on Ray Allen in 2010 finals. Ray was hot coming into the finals shooting 46% from the field including 42% from 3pt. DFish helped hold him to 37% from the field and 29% from 3pt. That's championship defense.

Fisher is still the dean of PG's in NBA. He knows how to pace himself tho' you can't expect him to be at pace with D'Rose, D'Williams, CP3, Rondo. He can't beat them in a 100 meter dash but when playoffs comes especially on close game, that is where u will find Fisher shines. Fisher as an experienced bravado is more sturdy and a fighter as a player. In the first place, here is something to ponder he will not be the President of the NBA Players League if he's not that tough. Although I do agree, he should be rested more than being used frequently, it only hastens aging leading to further depreciation. It is like those masterpiece at Getty Museum, they are protected them from light, from nosy & touchy art connoisseurs, from the marching of time.

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CONGRATS LAKER MIKE & MRS. LAKER MIKE ON THE BIRTH OF YOUR FIRST GRANDCHILD – BANDWAGON
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By the way, posting a comment at this ungodly hour as I sit in hospital waiting room with Mrs.
LakerMike, awaiting the soon to be birth of our very first grandchild! LakerMike Posted by: LakerMike | March 22, 2011 at 02:56 AM Thanks Diandra! I could use some MAMBA24 pick-me-up spirit right about now! 14 long hours waiting at hospital... nearing the finish line... daughter-in-law close to delivery now!
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(01) DIANDRA – OWNER - CONGRATS LAKERMIKE!!!! I hope you have a healthy and happy grandchild!!
(02) MAMBA24 – DRIVER – Now that’s what I’m talking about. Congrats to you & the family my brother!!
(03) KOBEMVP888 – RIDING SHOTGUN - @LakerMike- Mazel Tov on your grandchild! Also, I STILL would love it if you to take me up on the invite anyway. Thanks for the welcome back, too.
(04) EDWIN GUECO – SGT AT ARMS - Congratulations Laker Mike on your first grandchild, after a while you wanted another granddaughter. They are blessings and joys of retirement, sometimes I wish they were born first before my children. One remarkable change, you are a grandfather first and when the child goes on tantrum for milk or can't sleep, you hand those responsibilities to their own parents and back to being a grandpa. lol!
(05)LROB - DJ - Laker Mike - congrats on the grand daughter you're expecting. That's truly a blessing!

@Tom Daniels - DFish didn't get enough credit for his tough defense on Ray Allen in 2010 finals. Ray was hot coming into the finals shooting 46% from the field including 42% from 3pt. DFish helped hold him to 37% from the field and 29% from 3pt. That's championship defense.

Posted by: LRob | March 22, 2011 at 08:24 AM

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agreed. except in game 2 when rayray pillaged us. that game made me so emo

Congrats. LakerMike, make sure you get the Laker onesie.

Welcome back KOBEMVP888. I hope you and the rest of the Lakerholics had a blast at the game.

heh8meN1, I love your Youtube channel.. I subscribed!

Is that you Charles? Welcome back Sir. You been missed.

No way we would have won back-to-back titles without Fish. Game 5 against Orlando. Game 3 against Boston. Clutch 3 game 7 against Boston. Even if he never makes a shot again, we all have to thank Derek Fisher and give him the respect he so deserves. When the game is on the line, if Kobe can't shoot, I don't mind if Fish takes the shot.

@GDUB – Always enjoy Terry Callier. As you can see from some of the comments posted on that link he has a nice Detroit following.

@ChicNstu – rocking a true supergroup. Well done.

@LT – That’s another good one. You can always feel Elvis emotions jumping off the disc.

@Mamba – LakerNation is one indeed.

@LakerPeace – Beatles always a perfect selection.

Loved Kobe's dig on Smush.

Loved it.

Derek Fisher is the glue that holds this team together. Never forget that.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

I *LOVE* Derek Fisher. Hands down, after Magic Johnson, Derek is my favorite Laker of all time.

Now, with the REAL season fast approaching, Derek will again show why he has that collection of 5 championship rings. Let's go, Fisher!

Derek Fisher is the glue that holds this team together. Never forget that.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | March 22, 2011 at 10:42 AM


DISAGREE!

One other thing about Derek Fisher that people overlook is that he shows up to work every night...close to 500 consecutive games. That is remarkable. In an age where players sit out for any little injury, Fish's professionalism and preparation stand out.

Welcome back 888!

Congrats, Laker Mike!

GDub and LRob...thanks for the great selections.

Is it me or is Kobe starting to get grumpy? If he is, the rest of the league is in trouble!

KobeMVP888,

I was just showing the stats shown on 82games.com. If you feel they are in error or they are distorting the truth, you can probably take that up with them. I'm not exactly sure how they're calculated or how reliable they are.

I just found it interesting because even Fisher's biggest detractors on here don't question his clutch shooting but somehow the numbers don't show what we all think we see.

"The problem with trying to use stats to support the premise that Kobe Bryant or Derek Fisher are not clutch shooters is that all clutch plays aren‘t equal and all last-second wins don’t have the same value. That’s why polls of NBA players and coaches are a much better measure of a players ability to perform in clutch situations and in big games than a player’s shooting percentage in the last 2 or 4 minutes.
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Stats measuring player performance in the last 2 or 4 minutes can’t tell you how clutch a shot was or how big a win was. Kobe and Derek have proven their ability to make game and series deciding plays in the toughest situations and on the biggest stages. That’s something that pure shooting percentages or rebounds or blocks or steals cannot tell you because they are too intangible to be easily measured. You need a computer like the human brain – like the players and coaches against whom Kobe plays.
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TOM


Posted by: LakerTom | March 21, 2011 at 09:12 PM "

Certainly, any way you decide to measure can yield a different answer. Purely statistical studies may be flawed because they rely too much on stats but human opinion can be flawed because of personal bias, small sample size, or too little reliance on actual stats.

For example, from all the games I've seen, Ray Allen seems to never miss free throws and I can't think of anyone I trust more at the free throw line than him. I'm sure a lot of people would agree with me that he is the best in the league. However, he's not even in the top 10 in percentage. Am I still correct in my assessment that he is the best free throw shooter even if stats say otherwise?


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