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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 90-79 victory over Minnesota Timberwolves

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Game stories

-- The Los Angeles Times' Broderick Turner credits the Lakers' defense in their 90-79 victory Tuesday over the Minnesota Timberwolves.

-- The Daily News' Elliott Teaford believes the Lakers put forth minimum effort against the T-Wolves.

-- The Star Tribune's Jerry Zgoda argues the Wolves don't have the length or strength to match with the Lakers.

Notebooks

-- The Times' Turner highlights Kurt Rambis' belief that the Lakers are in good shape.

-- The Daily News' Teaford also focuses on Rambis' comments on the Lakers.

-- The Star Tribune's Zgoda looks at how the Lakers limit Kevin Love.

Sidebars

--Hoops World's Eric Pincus reports that the Lakers don't plan to pursue a swingman the waiver wire because Barnes is expected to return soon.

-- Fox Sports' Billy Witz focuses on the match-up between Lamar Odom and Love.

--Fanhouse's Elie Seckbach talks to Ron Artest in the video below about boxing.

Columns

-- ESPN.com's J.A. Adande predicts the Lakers will be ready come playoff time.

-- The Star Tribune's Patrick Reusse highlights what former Minneapolis Lakers Coach John Kundla brought to the organization.

Blogs

-- The Orange County Register's Janis Carr wonders if Ron Artest has figured out the triangle.

-- Pro Basketball Talks' Kurt Helin expresses amusement over Phil Jackson's suggestion that Artest runs the triangle offense more than Kobe Bryant does.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky breaks down the Lakers' victory over Minnesota.

-- Lakers.com's Mike Trudell analyzes the game with a running diary.

-- The Star Tribune's Zgoda highlights the speech Sid Hartman planned to give.

--Silver Screen and Roll's Actuarially Sound faults the Lakers' offense.

--A Wolf Among Wolves highlights the differences between the Lakers and T-Wolves.

Tweet of the Day: "Wat up yall good rd trip, we seem 2b bak on track. Teams got the day off heading n 2 get some extra work. Hoping to b bak on the court soon" -- Matt_Barnes22 (Lakers forward Matt Barnes).

Reader Comment of the Day: "The rivalry with the Queens was great when they were good. Vlade's flops, obnoxious cowbells, Bibby draining big shot after big shot, Webber in his prime ... Sacramento provided some great playoff memories. Even if they became competitive again, I don't see the same environment for the Queens in Anaheim. Not sure if that same attitude (ok, hate) could exist against the Lakers so close to home. Combine Sacramento and New Orleans and then maybe it would work. Otherwise, they are better off in Tomato Town." -- Wilbur Post

-- Mark Medina
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Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant dunks during the second half of the Lakers' 90-79 road victory over the Minnesota Timberwolves on Tuesday. Credit: Jim Mone / Associated Press

 
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Being back on track might be true - but I'd rather not know that the players THINK all is well in their tweets.... considering how lazy and apathetic they had gotten this season.

Tim 4 Show - You make a really good point. The Lakers have played in waves all season. That doesn't mean it's realistic for them to go undefeated the rest of the way, but they need to play with consistent effort

Alter-ID,

I am giving you a warning to appease the 27 who feel that alternating handles is a gross misdemeanor. This infraction requires no response on your part Just a friendly reminder that you could come under ridiculous scrutiny if you continue such behavior.

I will reveal shortly a partial list of "The 27 NO No's of Laker Blogging"


I meant to point this out. You may notice that we've added an additional banner on the right hand side of the page where we run excerpts of the recent comments. I hope that helps with the conversation flow everyone has here

I LOVE THE LAKERS, BUT:


Does anyone care how many close games versus inferior opponents occurred during the Bulls record 72-10 season in '95-'96? Nope - just the clarity of that all-time won-loss record.


Does anyone really care about the "shoulda-coulda-woulda" OT loss to the Sixers in Game 1 during the Lakers epic 15-1 romp through the playoffs in '01? Nope.


Does anyone place an asterisk next to those handful of Celtics championships that came in the closing moments (even OT) of game 7? Nope.


Does anyone have a legitimate claim to strip the '83 Sixers of their championship v. the Lakers (no Worthy, no MacAdoo, no Nixon) or the '89 Pistons v. the Lakers (no Byron, no Magic)? Nope.


Whether it be regular season or playoffs. Full strength or healthy. The bottom line is WINNING. PERIOD. History only reflects the glory of the actual winners. Not those who pace for winning. Plan for winning. Talk about winning. Are favored to win. JUST THE WINNERS.


More to come, from
ALTER-ID

RCOTD = WILBUR POST = OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!
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MM The comments thing is real nice. I noticed it a couple of days ago. The only slight problem is if someone puts the comments of another blogger in with their comment for reference puposes it can appear as if that person is making the comments rather than commenting on a prior bloggers comments. But still and all it is a very nice idea and I say kudos to all concerned in it's creation!

Being back on track might be true - but I'd rather not know that the players THINK all is well in their tweets.... considering how lazy and apathetic they had gotten this season.

Posted by: Tim-4-Show | March 02, 2011 at 10:46 AM
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You ain't lyin. I actually want the team to lose one of there games coming up. Just to keep their feet on the ground, somewhat.

THE 27 COMMANDMENTS

1. Thou shall not post under multiple handles

2. Thou shall not criticize any member of the 27.

3. Thou shall not take the name of Phil Jackson, Luke Walton, or Derek Fisher in vain.

4. Thou Shall not mention Paula Gasoft

5. Thou shall not mention Lamar Odumb

6. Thou shall not mention Andrew Bynumb

7. Thou shall call any bloggers Trolls if not a member of the 27.

8. Thou shall constantly alert the moderator of any Troll comment that hurts your feelings.

9. Thou shall avoid confrontations with Trolls whenever possible.

10. Thou shall not covet any Troll comment

Wilbur with the win!

Wilbur Post - with the RCOTD. Why of course...of course!

Why I think we need a shooter - Many times, we have three guys on the floor that draw double teams. This leaves other guys without anyone guarding them. What does Blake do with this? Last night, it was 2 attempts. Brown has been inconsistent. There are guys who can park themselves out at the three point line and hit a high percentage with nobody in their face. We brought in Glenn Rice for this reason and it worked. We won our first post Kobe championship the next season. Sasha, when he was healthy, used to do this all night long. It turned the game around. We became unbeatable. He was a master it hitting open threes as was Wilkes, Scott, Horry, Shaw... the list goes on. We have always had high caliber players who draw multiple guys and shooters who take advantage of this - this year, not so much. If we had a shooter, they would eventually have to send someone out to guard him and leave Kobe, Pau, Lamar or Drew a chance to score easily. It would help if this shooter could play great D, but it isn't required. If he was a good facilitator, this would make up for any defensive lacking. We are already a very good defensive team (sorry logo).

Bibby?

I'll bet he would prefer to come back to CA.

Posted by: Lakerholic | March 02, 2011 at 08:27 AM
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Lakerholic,

Here are the career stats of those "knock down" 3pt shooters you mentioned compared to Blake/Fish.

Career 3pt shooting
Bibby 38%
Sasha 37%
BScott 37%
Horry 34%
BShaw 30%
Wilkes 14%

Blake 39%
Fisher 37%


So as you can see they weren't exactly as deadly as your memory fondly remembers. Also below is the Lakers 3pt fg% since 2008

2008 38%
2009 36%
2010 34%
2011 36%

Now what do you think?

Posted by: Regular Season Police | March 02, 2011 at 11:21 AM

#11. Thou shall can threaten anyone with the word "BANISHMENT" if thou exchange personal emails with LA sports typist MM.

Alter-ID,

I am giving you a warning to appease the 27 who feel that alternating handles is a gross misdemeanor. This infraction requires no response on your part just a friendly reminder that you could come under ridiculous scrutiny if you continue such behavior.

I will reveal shortly a partial list of "The 27 NO No's of Laker Blogging"

Posted by: Regular Season Police | March 02, 2011 at 10:45 AM


FURTHER MORE.. it is deemed as an act of cowardice by the gang of 27 and some self proclaimed "FOUNDING" fathers of this LA Times blog to hide behind an alternate handle.


Norcal

thank you for your participation,
though worthy, I cannot include your commandment for fear of "BANISHMENT"

Until the Lakers beat the Bobcats (on Friday) I won't be convinced they are on track yet!

I agree with PJs humorous comment on Kobe vs. Artest and the triangle.


I love Kobe, and feel lucky to have been able to watch him here in LA his whole career. But, especially at the end of games, he tends to his abuse his privilige of working outside the offense.


The Thunder game was a real bad example. OKC was playing Kobe tough. The refs were letting contact go, making it easier for Seff-a-losha to defend. The Thunder, with no Perkins, did not have an inside presence to match the Lakers front line. So why, in that situation, does Kobe go into isolation mode, forcing difficult shots for 5 minutes? It makes no sense.


Contrast that with Kobe's hoop late in OT vs Portland. Fisher comes up and calls a play. He gives the ball to LO at the pinch post. Kobe curls into the lane, takes the pass from LO, and gets an easy, one dribble 10 footer in the lane.


Kobe can still score, but if they run the offense, and Kobe moves without the ball, he can get easier looks on passes from the bigs. Or the bigs can score themselves. It is much tougher to defend than Kobe pounding the ball for 15 seconds and forcing a defended shot.

Posted by: Regular Season Police | March 02, 2011 at 12:09 PM

COMPLETELY understand as I too live in fear of the word BANISHMENT. The beating shall continue until the moral improves!!!

Until the Lakers beat the Bobcats (on Friday) I won't be convinced they are on track yet! Posted by: LakerPeace | March 02, 2011 at 12:11 PM
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Norcal

not only the fear of banishment

the fear of moderation

lol

Posted by: Regular Season Police | March 02, 2011 at 12:32 PM

AND fear of humiliation that comes from the act of BANISHMENT....

Norcal

I've seen some real questionable banishments

But my take is that the humiliation is on the banisher not the banishee

DID anyone notice when Kobe was sent to the bench, the lakers took a 10 point lead against the MN team? And Phil's comment below sheds more light to how Kobe's one on one antics can be disrupt the flow of the game, take his team mates out of rhythm Kobe is a BALLHOG..

A ball hog is a derisive term in basketball for a player who tends to handle the ball so exclusively that his or her behavior is damaging to their team. For this reason, "ball-hogging" is generally considered unacceptable playing behavior at all levels of basketball competition, especially by the player's teammates and coach. However, ball-hogging is not a violation of the rules of basketball.

The main behavior associated with being a ball hog is excessive shooting, including frequent attempts at difficult shots (especially when passing to an open player would've made the chances of a successful shot to the basket much greater). Ball hogs attempt to monopolize their play of the ball, frequently dribbling excessively and infrequently passing the ball to a teammate. The ball hog does this because of any combination of poor court vision, over-confidence in his own ability relative to that of his teammates, lack of confidence in his/her teammates' abilities, or sheer selfishness. Ball hogging tends to manifest itself statistically as an abnormally high percentage of team shot attempts by the ball hog and often low percentages of shot accuracy and assists. They also tend to have a very poor assist-to-turnover ratio (used as the main statistical indicator of how well a player "shares" the ball).

"Ball-hogging" can be detrimental to a team both immediately and in the long term. For instance, a player with ball-hogging tendencies may overlook or neglect a teammate who is open for a relatively easy shot, choosing instead to take a more difficult shot himself, often at the team's expense. Additionally, repeated ball-hogging by a player can damage a team's cohesiveness and alienate him or her from his teammates, coaches, and fans. Another example of a ball-hog, is a player that tries to look good statistically. This could be done even through assists. A player that tries to be the best at everything, holds the ball, executes all the plays, from scoring to assisting, can also be known as a ball hog.

The common offensive strategy for a basketball team is to have the better offensive player(s) attempting more shots. But when a player seems to be taking this strategy to excess, that player is often said to be a "ball hog" regardless of how good a shooter he might be. Therefore the term is highly subjective, and any individual player might be considered a ball hog by some observers but not by others. As explained earlier, players with the poorest assist-to-turnover ratios (lots of turnovers and very few assists) are the most likely to be in danger of gaining a ball hog reputation. Ironically, players usually must be quite talented to be considered a ball hog, especially at collegiate and professional levels; incompetent ball hogs simply do not go far in team basketball.

Norcal

because the banished can always come back with a different handle IP address, but the banisher remains the same and knows he been played succumbing to pressure from the self righteous.

PHIL's COMMENTS on BALLHOG:

Perhaps, but Artest said Jackson was right that it takes about two years to learn how to fit into the triangle.

"He's pretty good with it," Jackson said. "He's probably a little better than Kobe [Bryant] is at it because Kobe ignores the offense."

LRob - The stats you provided show Bibby as the best career shooter besides Blake. I was psyched when they signed Blake because it looked like he could hit the three, but he can't hit them if he doesn't shoot them.

Wilkes at 14%... Say it isn't so! Oh, he hit 49% of his other shots.

Also, Sasha is pretty high up that list - and can play D. He has been struggling since entering the starting line-up for the Nets, but I expect that to change. Sasha is a winner.

Our 3 point percentage has been creeping up since the all star break. I hope Blake steps up and establishes himself as an outside threat. I have been unimpressed with him so far. His defense is suspect. He doesn't get assists. He doesn't shoot. When he does, his shooting percentage is at a career low. Most of the time, it is an open shot. Maybe he shoots better with someone guarding him?

@Tom Daniels - excellent observations. Kobe is stubborn. He will not be defeated by the opponents or refs. Thus, when the refs let the opposition get away with mugging him he becomes even more determination to score on his man. Thus, in the OKC game he hit that last beautiful baseline j despite Thabo hacking him yet again.


@Mamba - what you got today?

When I heard the Heat were going to sign Bibby, I got a sinking feeling. I can remember yelling "No Bibby! No Bibby!" more times than I care to remember and then him hitting an impossible three. I was hoping to never have to yell it again. If I do, it will be in the finals and that will suck. If we sign him, the Heat wouldn't get him. If nothing else, it would light a fire under our under-performing guards not named Kobe.

Until the Lakers beat the Bobcats (on Friday) I won't be convinced they are on track yet! Posted by: LakerPeace | March 02, 2011 at 12:11 PM

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I agree and I argue that they have to sweep the remaining games right through 14 March with their game against Orlando.

"Everything about the Lakers is geared toward winning playoff games. It's what they do." J.A. Adande

"Even when we didn't make the playoffs, I thought we'd win the championship." Dr. Buss

Lakerholic,

The Bibby you're remembering was from 2002. That was 9 yrs ago. He's not that guy anymore. Otherwise, why would a team that desperately need outside shooting like Atlanta let him go?


I'm not worried about Blake shooting %...I just want him to look for his shot more. I'm not ready to give up on him yet.

Silk wasn't a 3pt shooter. Very good shooter from 20ft...but rarely shot the long ball. Remember there was no 3pt shot for his first 5-6 yrs in the NBA so why shoot from 23ft when it was only worth the same as a 18ft shot!

WINNING!!!!

We are ALL Charlie Sheen!!! Stay Strong!!!

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

This was written:

And Phil's comment below sheds more light to how Kobe's one on one antics can be disrupt the flow of the game, take his team mates out of rhythm Kobe is a BALLHOG..

A ball hog is a derisive term in basketball for a player who tends to handle the ball so exclusively that his or her behavior is damaging to their team. For this reason, "ball-hogging" is generally considered unacceptable playing behavior at all levels of basketball competition, especially by the player's teammates and coach.

my response:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

Career NBA 1083 935 36.4 8.8 19.3 .455 1.3 3.8 .339 6.4 7.6 .838 1.2 4.1 5.3 4.7 1.5 0.5 2.9 2.6 25.2

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html

Career NBA 1072 1039 41010 10.7 21.5 .497 0.5 1.6 .327 6.4 7.7 .835 1.5 4.4 5.9 4.9 2.2 0.8 2.6 2.4 28.3


So, if Kobe is a ball hog, shouldn't MJ be a ball hog as well?

Isn't it interesting that two of the greatest SG's have similar numbers?

ball hogs!

Posted by: Jon K. | March 02, 2011 at 01:37


With due respect please do not lump me into this Charlie Sheen bandwagon and best if you speak for your self and not make a general statement inclusive of all.

Do no take drugs , do not watch porn nor ingest alcohol!!

Posted by: hobbitmage | March 02, 2011 at 01:42 PM

Here is Phil's comment:

Perhaps, but Artest said Jackson was right that it takes about two years to learn how to fit into the triangle.

"He's pretty good with it," Jackson said. "He's probably a little better than Kobe [Bryant] is at it because Kobe ignores the offense."


Meaning he is disruptive!

"DID anyone notice when Kobe was sent to the bench, the lakers took a 10 point lead against the MN team?
Posted by: Norcal | March 02, 2011 at 12:46 PM"

That was a very good sign for the second unit. They moved the ball around well and took the best shot available. Something that doesn't happen enough with the first unit.

It was coupled with some of the worst offensive performances I've ever seen in the NBA by the Timberwolves. Almost every single possession was a shot from 18 feet or more with 15+ seconds on the shot clock and very few of the shots were open looks or set plays. I don't know if LA's defense was that smothering or if the Wolves just self destructed.

MJ was a ball hog in the beginning of his career. That is why he didn't get a ring until he was 26. Once he started sharing the ball and trusting his team mates, the championships started rolling in. He would still take over games when needed, as does Kobe. Kobe was a ball hog when he played with Smush and Kwame. He had nobody to pass the ball to. Now that he does, he has been great at knowing when to pass and when to take over. He screws this up every once in a while, but for the most part has been a facilitator. It must be hard to know when to go into Mamba mode. It is incredible to watch. I have said many times that it is more entertaining watching Kobe miss than watching most players make a shot - poetry in motion. I can remember many games where he has missed like 9 in a row, gets the ball with seconds left, I am yelling PASS!!! (yes, I yell during games – check out my handle) and he shoots, it goes in, and they win. PJ likes to throw in his little digs. Luckily, Kobe lets it roll off his back and continues to do what he does best – win basketball games.

It is nice going back to discussing if Kobe shoots too much - rather than why the Lakers are getting beat up by crappy teams.

Posted by: Bay to LA | March 02, 2011 at 02:05 PM

My point is if Kobe had more of a facilitator DNA on him (like Magic Jonson) as oppose to always attack mode then this Lakers team would win not only more games but with ease. For Kobe it would equate to self preservation and longer playing career and maybe more MVPs. Oh well....!!

"My point is if Kobe had more of a facilitator DNA on him (like Magic Jonson) as oppose to always attack mode then this Lakers team would win not only more games but with ease. For Kobe it would equate to self preservation and longer playing career and maybe more MVPs. Oh well....!!

Posted by: Norcal | March 02, 2011 at 02:21 PM "

I agree, and because he doesn't have that in his DNA, that will never come natural to him. Sometimes he functions like a Magic Johnson and is great at it but he can't sustain it forever. Deep down, he wants to be the Jordan. He wants to be the hero. He doesn't want people to be able to say someone else got him to where he is.

Kobe isn't Magic. Kobe isn't Jordan. He's Kobe Bryant, the best player in basketball, and if he wants to shoot the damn ball, then SHOOT IT.

Why don't you guys get back to arguing about Derek Fisher's clutchness or Artest's medication?

Go Lake Show!

A very tough schedule of games coming up, starting with the Bobcats. We will know after the next five or six games if the Lakers are back on track...I'm hoping so!

Posted by: The Outlaw | March 02, 2011 at 03:04 PM

Understand your sensitivity towards your favorite player but I hope you also accept out of box perceptions about Kobe. Granted Kobe is the best player but BB is a team sports. Do you recall game 7 from last year? Even the greatest have flaws and in Kobe's case he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to intellect.

"he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to intellect."

In absolute terms I'd agree. (absolute meaning if you compared him to the general population)... in relative terms and in basketball, he's top of the mountain (comparing him to other NBA players). There's not going to be a smarter NBA player right now than the bean.

Now, perhaps you meant that he lets his emotions over-rule his brain sometimes?

Mitch Kupchak..if you happen to scan this Laker's comment section then remember this name...Leon Powe. Here is your chance to improve the Laker's defense and rebounding off the bench. If Powe is fully recovered from his knee surgery then this will be a great opportunity for the Lakers. During his Boston days, Powe was a beast. Do your magic Mitch and make the Lakers even scarier come playoff time.

During his Boston days, Powe was a beast. Do your magic Mitch and make the Lakers even scarier come playoff time.
Posted by: PHN | March 02, 2011 at 04:18 PM
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IS THAT YOU LEON????

Even the greatest have flaws and in Kobe's case he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to intellect.
Posted by: Norcal | March 02, 2011 at 03:55 PM
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I guess it takes one to know one huh?

AND fear of humiliation that comes from the act of BANISHMENT....Posted by: Norcal | March 02, 2011 at 12:35 PM
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If thy eye offends thee...pluck it out!! If thy fear banishment then banish thy self!!! Carry on!


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