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--The Times' Broderick Turner explains how Lakers center Andrew Bynum has become a game-changer.

--The Orange County Register's Janis Carr explains why the Lakers maintain cautious optimism about Bynum.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky expresses indifference over Kendrick Perkins' critical comments about Pau Gasol and Phil Jackson.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin explains the Lakers' recent stretch of good play.

--Sports Illustrated's Britt Robson puts the Lakers at No. 1 in his weekly rankings.

--The Daily News' Elliott Teaford provides a medical update on Kobe Bryant.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell details what makes Jackson a good coach.

--Fox Sports' Billy Witz explains why Steve Blake is expected to have an increased role in the postseason.

Tweet of the Day: "Everyone wants what the Lakers HAVE....that would be the best fans in the world! Thank you!! #LakersLove" -- JeanieBuss (Lakers Executive Vice President Jeanie Buss)

Rick Friedman Reader Comment of the Day: "My favorite part is that time when Pau softly gathered 18 rebounds in the unimportant Game 7 of the Finals while Garnett beasted and snarled his way to pulling down 3 rebounds, destroying the entire Laker front line and leading his team to almost victory and an almost championship while Perkins dominated from the bench. BEAST" -- The Dude Abides

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Photo: Andrew Bynum has played a big role in the Lakers' 10-1 record since the All-Star break thanks to his rebounding and defensive skills. Credit: Larry W. Smith / EPA / Jan. 19, 2011

 
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The Dude: That, sir, is a perfect Friedman-worthy RCOTD. Fantastic.

Go Lake Show!


@THE DUDE… Congrats. Nice job. Sometimes stats do tell a pretty good story.
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TOM

The Dude Abides - TRULY Friedman-worthy! LMAO!!

@The Dude with the Friedman. Nice.

@LROB… If the Lakers can win out this home stand, they will finish March 12-1. If they do, I think Drew has an excellent chance to win West NBA Player of the Month award. That would be a great honor for Drew to win heading into his first healthy championship playoff run.

Posted by: LakerTom | March 17, 2011 at 09:13 AM
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LT – If Drew keeps the current pace of 13pts/15reb/3blks and shooting 65%...and the Lakers keep rolling…I think he would deserving.

Mark G,

you wrote: Look MJ wasn't GOAT because he won 6 rings, numerous MVPs and DPOYs, he was GOAT because he didn't have any holes in his game and he was dominant on both sides of the court. He's still going to be GOAT even if Kobe passes him with 7 or 8 rings. This isn't a knock on Kobe, Kobe is one of the greatest players of all time, he just ain't Mike, but neither was Magic, Jerry, Larry, or a myriad of other great players.

my response: Actually, MJ wasn't the greatest of all time.

Did he ever average 50 pts per game for a season?
Did he ever score 100 pts in a game?
Did he win over 7 championships?
Did he make it to the NBA finals more than 6 times?
Has he scored more pts than any other player?
Did he play in the league the longest?


Is there an easy site where you can sort player stats by month? I looked up some of the obvious candidates and guys whose teams are doing well and looked up the split stats and the candidates I have found are:
Westbrook 22.7 pts, 9.0 assists
Bynum 12.6 pts, 14.6 rebs, 2.7 blks
Dirk 26.1 pts, 7.6 rebs
Nene 17.3 pts, 9.7 rebs (best candidate I could find for Denver)
Love 18.3 pts, 16.4 rebs
Al Jefferson 26.8 pts, 11.5 rebs, 2.6 blks

There could be others I'm missing.

"First of all let me acknowledge this is a stupid argument, but having an excess of time on my hands today, I'll wade into the stupidity pool.

Look MJ wasn't GOAT because he won 6 rings, numerous MVPs and DPOYs, he was GOAT because he didn't have any holes in his game and he was dominant on both sides of the court. He's still going to be GOAT even if Kobe passes him with 7 or 8 rings. This isn't a knock on Kobe, Kobe is one of the greatest players of all time, he just ain't Mike, but neither was Magic, Jerry, Larry, or a myriad of other great players.

I couldn't stand MJ for most of his career just because he was that good and he played for the Bulls, but you have to give the guy his props, anything else is historical revisionism. Someday MJ may be surpassed, but that day hasn't happened yet.

Posted by: Mark G | March 17, 2011 at 10:48 AM "

Yeah. Phil says Kobe isn't Jordan, Kobe himself said he isn't Jordan, I don't know why people insist on making the comparison. Everyone should just let Kobe be Kobe, isn't that good enough?

Posted by: Bay to LA | March 17, 2011 at 11:26 AM

watch out for a response from Hobbitmage, as we speak, he is knee deep in search engine extracting raw data on Kobe versus MJ and expect a long *post* with *proof*.
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is there a true measurement of a greatest player in a team sports? In my opinion, MJ or Kobe were and are as good as sum total of their team mates, coaches and owners. What if MJ did not have Pippin, Dennis Rodman or what if there was no Shaq, Pau or Dfish?

"any other player"

all but 2 Hobbit... LOL, I'm just messing with you. I know you meant all other players

One thing we haven't talked about.... any chance Kobe gets MVP this season?

Think about it... if the Lakers were to run the table and secure 2nd best record in the NBA, would the writers (knowing that they gave 2 of his awards to other people earlier in his career) give him a somewhat token MVP?

"Rick Friedman Reader Comment of the Day: "My favorite part is that time when Pau softly gathered 18 rebounds in the unimportant Game 7 of the Finals while Garnett beasted and snarled his way to pulling down 3 rebounds, destroying the entire Laker front line and leading his team to almost victory and an almost championship while Perkins dominated from the bench. BEAST" -- The Dude Abides"

That. Simply. Rocked.

Posted by: Tim-4-Show | March 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Nevaha again, not an MVP type of player, scorer first and pass second, not a play maker, loves to show case his individual talents and is good at one on five attacks, attack, attack and attack.

Wilt dominated both ends of the court.

If you want to say MJ was greatest because of his skills, I'd argue that Kobe is at least AS skilled. Kobe lacks the athleticism and size that MJ had. This is where Kobe is weak vs. MJ. But neither one are Wilt or Kareem.

MJ had quite a good team also. People think MJ just put everyone on his back and rode off to 6 titles. Not so. During his hiatus, the Bulls were one bad call from the NBA finals. Try doing that with any other championship team in recent memory... these Lakers could NOT do it without Kobe. Spurs without Duncan. Boston without (take your pick)... like LA to Bay said, a lot of this is a product of era and a product of those playing around them.

Good article by Billy Witz on Phil's expectations from Blake....

excerpt...

"Steve can and will have more authority, more presence on the court as we go ahead," Jackson said. "Fish is a leader on the team, and [Blake] has stayed in the backdrop a lot and played a role. He's a very important part of what we have to get done, simply because he has a defensive capability to do things that we can't get done with anybody else. So, some of the guys who are prolific scorers that come off screens or do things based on just quickness and speed, he's got to be part of that. He knows that and he's stepping into it."
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As I mentioned a few times when people complain about DFish role. When/If necessary in the playoffs PJ will sub for Fish IF he's not getting the job done.

Well... the way I see it LA to Bay, LBJ is out - even though you can argue the "value to his team" seeing as the Cavs tanked and the Heat did okay. But, his talent gets watered down. Duncan? No. Dirk? No. Anyone on Boston? No. D Rose? Maybe.

Seemed to me that everyone wanted to give it Durant, but Rose is far more worthy.

But I'd say looking around, is there really a standout winner this season?

"PJ will sub for Fish IF he's not getting the job done"
I'm not worried about this. PJ proved the other night that he's willing to do it... and that's saying a lot because I haven't seen PJ give the other guy more minutes in the last 2 seasons. I think PJ is hip to the situation.

but I had to sort of laugh at this part:
" he has a defensive capability to do things that we can't get done with anybody else"

Wow. Blake is now our defensive stopper.

Hobbit,

I'm not sure the point of your post because it doesn't seem to refute anything I wrote, but I'll respond anyways.

If you want to say that Wilt is the greatest player, or Kareem, or it's Russell, I think that's a legit argument. I think it's problematic to compare wing players with Centers/Post players. Maybe there should be separate GOAT categories for the two types of players. And of course it's some point its difficult to compare from vastly different eras. I mean how do you compare Shaq with Russell? Most people would agree Russell couldn't guard Shaq if they were both in their prime.

If you're saying that GOAT is ultimately impossible to determine statistically, because clearly no one person holds all the records/achievements you listed above, I'd agree with that.

But if you're saying the fact that MJ doesn't hold any of those records proves that he wasn't GOAT, I'd say not so much.

One of the things that make's these arguments somewhat pointless, is that ultimately it's a subjective call. Stats are persuasive but not dispositive in these matters.

Hi Lakers family!

Can someone explain it means to be a soft player. What qualities must have a player to be called soft.

My English is not enough to understand the article ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky.

Thanks and sorry for my bad English

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If you have any trouble contacting Adam, you can let me know at 775-393-9261.

still no good news on kobe bryant

i think that bill russell is GOAT because i like his laugh. any one want to challenge me on that? didn't think so

The Dude,

Congratulations on winning The Friedman.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Posted by: lance from da' bronx | March 17, 2011 at 01:05 PM

Sure, The only GOAT is Muhammad Ali who could also put a can of whoop azz on Bill Russell..

i think that bill russell is GOAT because i like his laugh. any one want to challenge me on that? didn't think so

Posted by: lance from da' bronx | March 17, 2011 at 01:05 PM

you win!

Israel,

"Soft" means he lacks physical courage.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!


@ISRAEL… When players or analysts refer to a player as being “soft,” what they usually mean is that the player wilts or gets passive or intimidated when the play gets physical. The term also gets incorrectly used as a synonym for “finesse,” which refers to the players style of play.
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The opposite of “soft” is “tough” and the opposite of a “finesse” player is a “power” player. Pau Gasol is a “finesse” player who sometimes plays “soft” but has realized he needs to play “tough” in certain physical matchups. Dwight Howard is a “power” player whom I thought played “soft” when intimidated by Andrew Bynum during the last Lakers vs. Orlando game. In other words, “soft” or “tough” describe how a player played while “finesse” or “power” describe the players style of play.
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TOM

Hi Israel, welcome to the family. a soft player may
"show" his softness by being pushed away from where he wants to position himself on the floor. his size can make a difference on how other people deal with him on the floor. some people say pau is soft, i don't see it that way. i feel that his mental toughness more than makes up for his thin frame. what do you think?

Bynum will easily be GOAT when all said and done and not bill russell

i was reading rick's posts and was so sad when i remembered that time 2007,2008. we all have to be GRATEFUL that we are now talking about drew and not the hands of stone. give praises!!

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"One thing we haven't talked about.... any chance Kobe gets MVP this season?

Think about it... if the Lakers were to run the table and secure 2nd best record in the NBA, would the writers (knowing that they gave 2 of his awards to other people earlier in his career) give him a somewhat token MVP?

Posted by: Tim-4-Show | March 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM "

I would say no simply based on the fact that he hasn't even been the most impressive Laker during this run. If he was carrying them he'd definitely be at the top of that list right now.

It would be hard for them to group together and generate a token award. Team record means a lot in the voting. It hurt him in 06 and 07 but it helped him in 08.

Derrick Rose still looks like the favorite. He has impressive numbers and the Bulls have been one of the winningest teams in the league despite missing at least one key player in almost every game this year.

i think derrick wins it this year

@Dude... Some funny stuff. Congrats on The Friedman...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY6o5313UhQ

Jon K. and lakertom, thank you very much for the explanations. I can post more here but I care about my bad English

lance from da' bronx thank you very much for the explanations

Israel,

Actually, the opposite of "finesse" is "rough". Gasol is not a rough player, he would not box out and take advantage of the space in the post. He is tame and meek as a Center. His opposite C's are brutes and wild in dunking like grrrrr! that's American Basketball at its finest. When they were at the fountain of youth they maltreated the boards, broke fiber glass board, slammed opponents to submission similar professional to wrestling just to obtain 2 pts. When they reached age 35, they suffer all kinds of knee ailments, arthritis like the two O'Neil of Celtics. As the bible say, you will reap what you sowed part of natural discourse.

Israel, your english is fine. keep posting

Bynum will easily be GOAT when all said and done and not bill russell

Posted by: LA to Bay | March 17, 2011 at 01:12 PM

I think you may be counting your chickens before they are hatched...lol

I'm glad AB is starting to "get it" though...we will need him at his best to win the West, and hopefully beat whoever makes it out of the East...GO LAKERS!

lance from da' bronx @ I think all players are soft at times. Bynum made ​​Howard look like a cute kitten. Someone believes that Superman Howard is soft?
The battles must be won are those of the post season. Dwight
Howard and Kevin Garnett were his rivals in the last two finals. I think Gasol helped in the rings. Gasol is often soft, but in the big races will do their work.
Bryant is a winner. If kobe ​like gasol is something

Edwin Gecko understand your point of view

lance from da' bronx, I have a good dictionary

I wonder how Kobe takes this. It's not a slight on him because in my opinion he is the second best player I have ever seen play this game. He is the closest and most consistent to mj. People would say Russell with his 11 titles or Wilt who averaged 50 points a game. Or the big o who averaged a triple double. When I say the best I am talking about just simply skills level. Russell is the most sucessful basketball player with 11 rings. But he is not the best. Wilt was a giant amongst mortal men. But he is not the best and wilt played point blank at the rim. Jordan game was complete with no flaws. Even his peers says he is the best. I don't know the age of the persons on this blog but anyone over the age of 25 would concede that Jordan was the absolute best. I hated jordan but i must give him his due.

Island Priest24,

you wrote: I wonder how Kobe takes this. It's not a slight on him because in my opinion he is the second best player I have ever seen play this game.

my response: Considering that Kobe *STILL* has not looked at his 81 pt.
game ... I'm not sure that his opinion is worth any more or less than yours or
mine.

you wrote: When I say the best I am talking about just simply skills level.

my response: This is where you're wrong. He didn't have the best skills.
Rodman was a better rebounder. MJ & Stockton were better passers.
You can make the argument that Russell was a better defender.

Jordan's FT% is less than 85%. His 3-pt% sucked the last 2 years in Chicago.
In fact his 3-pt% is actually mediocre. His assist average is below Kobe's
for the last 3 years in Chicago.

Don't take my word. Look it up.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html


compare w/

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

@Bay to LA- While on the surface you may think Derrick Rose is the favorite to win the MVP award, the truth of the matter is this year is a total crapshoot. It's that Rose hasn't seperated himself from 98.9% of every other NBA player, because he has, it's that he hasn't seperated himself from the rest of the superstars in the MVP race.

KD could easily win the MVP award on merits identical to the one's you mentioned for Rose. He's in a small market, puts up monster numbers and has elevated his team's play again this year. Rose's numbers in the absence of key pieces is just as apt as KD's monster numbers in a small market and tougher conference.

Dirk Nowitzki, is a favorite as well. While not as spectacular moments as KD and Rose, it's no doubt who the most important player on a franchise is in the NBA. Take Nowitzki off the Mavs and they stink, downright terrible. Put him in the lineup and they're a formidable squad. He's the fuel for that team.

Those are the 3 horses that will be mentioned, through in Kobe, Wade/LBJ, and honorable mention to Stoudamire, who will get at least one vote from the NY media, whether it's a first, second or third is debatable, he will get a vote.

Hobbit you would agree that Zen is the best judge having coached both players from their prime to the tail end of their careers. Both are legendary players etc etc but mj was tops. Jordan was a global icon and as a young man as much as i hated jordan i couldn't wait to buy the latest pair of air jordans $120 a pop. There are no kobes that i would want to buy or shaqs. Phil said it was unfair to compare kobe to jordan because no one can compare to mj. Hobbit you are probably 21 so all you know is kobe. But I'm 40 and i have seen both play and mj is the mercedes and kobe is the top end lexus.

I guess you could argue that MJ was the best individual player, but to me he is not the best. He took the game from it's highest echelon in the 80's, and turned it into an individual sport that valued teamwork less. I love to watch MJ highlights, but I loved to watch the Lakers Celtics games in the 80's much more. And speaking of individual talent, did MJ ever come close to scoring 81 points? MJ can make excuses, but I don't think he had the perimeter game in addition to his acrobatics to make that happen.


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