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Bynum speaks! Oh, and he's back from a two-game suspension

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It's hard to miss Andrew Bynum, but he did a good job of avoiding reporters since committing a flagrant foul Friday on Minnesota forward Michael Beasley.

He's back with the Lakers for their game Friday against the Clippers. And he's ready to talk about his two-game suspension.

"I didn't think what I did was deserving of it," he said Thursday after Lakers practice. "I don't think I really did anything too wrong. It was unfortunate that the guy fell the way he did and got hurt. But at the end of the day, sometimes fouls happen."

Bynum was hit with the two-game penalty after his right forearm sent Beasley sprawling to the court. Beasley left the game after taking two free-throw attempts.

The Lakers beat Minnesota after Bynum was ejected and managed to win the following two games without him, though neither was simple: an 84-80 decision over Portland and a triple-overtime 139-137 victory over Phoenix.

"It was crazy to witness that game ... unbelievable," Bynum said.

He had experienced recent swelling in his right knee but stayed off it for two games.

"My knee's feeling all right," he said. "I'm ready to go."

The Lakers don't expect a problem in reassimilating him into the lineup. Neither do they foresee a stamina drop-off after his time away from the court.

"A couple days?" Kobe Bryant said. "Nah, he's still 12 years old. He's fine."

Bynum is averaging 13 points, 13.7 rebounds and 2.7 blocked shots in his last 10 games.

-- Mike Bresnahan

Photo: Andrew Bynum looks on after he was ejected from the game Friday against Minnesota. Credit: Associated Press

 
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Even if he doesn't actually mean it, it might not be a bad idea to say the foul was accidental and apologize for it. It was a very ugly foul and it might give him a bad reputation if he doesn't acknowledge anything was wrong with it and says the league was wrong for punishing him.

His response and reaction reminds me of what Warren Sapp said when he nearly paralyzed an opponent and his reputation was scarred by that.

Hey All,

11 Games Left in the Practice Season. What's interesting is the Lakers a gelling and getting along, but the bloggers are in Rumble Mode! What a difference from the Shaq years when Lakers' fans were more concerned about team dissension than in-fighting.

Today's Selections are from SuperSax Plays Bird:

Selecton One Goes Out to Keltic Fans re Kendrick Perkins--"If I Should Lose You"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJX17T6vx4k&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Selection Two Makes Your Mouth Water for Game Day--"Salt Peanuts"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azW4dLYBAhI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

KOBE BEAN BRYANT IS "THE LOGO FOR PROFESSIONALISM!"

"I don't think I really did anything too wrong. It was unfortunate that the guy fell the way he did and got hurt. But at the end of the day, sometimes fouls happen."-The Beast

Hey, it happens. Don't mess with the Beast. That's the bottom line.

Go Lakers!
Go Aztecs!

Cyber

Lets hope our bridge stays intact!! :-)

The PSP is in agreement; they probably regret making that trade but we can't tell 100% till the season is over. On the radio this morning they were saying that Boston was basically hoping the Lakers would be taken out by OKC, that way they wouldnt have to worry about them.

Personally, the PSP is more worried about the Blazers than OKC.

Thanks
PSP Intern

Go T'wolves tonight! We need standings buffering, just in case..........

One of the biggest guys in the NBA going up to meet another small... physics happened. If it were someone of Beasley's size, it wouldn't have been nearly the result. Bynum didn't do anything wrong, it was just a small car hitting a brick wall.

Kobe had quote of the night, I don't care what anyone says:
"A couple days?" Kobe Bryant said. "Nah, he's still 12 years old. He's fine."

I'm glad Drew's back and raring to go! I'm sure he'll continue on his tear...especially with the extra rest he got. However, I agree with Bay to LA if Drew doesn't think he did anything wrong he might be prone to repeat it and get a more severe penalty.


@BAY TO LA.... Did you realize that Drew sent Beasley a text message the next day apologizing for the hard foul? The Warren Sapp comparison was really hitting below the belt in my opinion. You obviously seem to have a problem with Drew. It seems every situation, you come out against him.
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Personally, I thought it was a flagrant 1 not 2 but I also thought it was exactly what the Lakers need from Drew – toughness and intimidation. Like Kobe said, he earned his stripes. Players will remember Beasley, Perkins, and Wallace and will not be eager to challenge Drew in the middle.
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TOM

@Art – Welcome back. Although the way the Lakers have been playing maybe you should stay away…j/k. I’m glad you’re back. In fact, I like it, I like it, I like it…we’re rocking now!

John Fogerty – Rocking All Over the World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNOK9wmPaxA


@hobbit – you’re on a roll and I got a feeling it’s not even halftime for you!

@Bay to LA – Memphis certainly would’ve been a handful with Battier and Allen to throw at Kobe. Plus, I think Gay as tough a matchup for Ron as anyone not named Lebron. But I don’t know if the Grizz would’ve traded for Shane if Gay wasn’t injured.

@MVP – Anyone that loves bball as much as Simmons is alright with me. Laker hating and all…he’s very entertaining.

@Cyber – good breakdown of C’s trade.

Lakers Nation welcomes back AB17

We all missed Andrew. Maybe even those arm-chair GMs (*cough* Plaschke) who seriously suggested trading Bynum for Melo.

Face it folks, Drew along with *possibly* Shannon are two of the younger guys on the squad, who could provide the energy and fresh legs that will help prolong Kobe's career.

In the not too distant future, the Lakers may be transitioning to a center-centric team, and Andrew could become Option #1 on both ends of the court.

Obviously, when that day arrives, egos may need to be managed and various adjustments will be required.

My guess is that THIS issue may become the most important one for The Next Head Coach to deal with.

P & G R

Love this quote from Drew: "But at the end of the day, sometimes fouls happen."

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PSP: Cool to talk hoops! Maybe we can be an example for everyone. It's funny how the biggest topic on the blog most days is the blog itself, reminds me of the Jungle (Jim Rome Show), biggest topic always is always the clones and jungle itself.

Funny how they are saying in Chowdtown that they are hoping the Lakers get taken out, that must be their way to deflect the fact they probably can't make it through the east. Right now the Bulls are playing better, the way they're playing they may not even be able to get by the meat/Magic.

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hobbit: Caught your message in between your schooling of downNoutin BH: "Oddly enough, [Bynum's] been playing like crap until after the all-star break which actually matches with him recovering from a knee surgery."

You starting to come around on Drew?

Love your evisceration of downNout, other stats you can research in the MJ/Kobe debate is how about 1/3 of all Finals games MJ played have been subpar, he's had 7 or 8 downright lousy ones. I'd look them up if I had some time.

which leads me to...

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888: read the Kobe piece from last thread. I really believe that between those of us here on the blog we could all contribute to write a *definitive* MJ vs Kobe piece, pointing out how the argument that MJ is head and shoulders above Kobe is flat out hogwash.

I would love to see that and could help to piece it all together. Kobe is going to end up beating MJ in all three ways: Skill, Championships, Career Achievements. If he beats him in all three ways, how the heck could he NOT be considered GOAT - or at least better than MJ (since Magic is the GOAT in my eyes...)


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!

OK, ending the procrastination of cleaning up the house with my mom coming to visit tomorrow (called myself out there... lol)

"Personally, the PSP is more worried about the Blazers than OKC.

Thanks
PSP Intern

Posted by: Practice Season Police | March 24, 2011 at 02:21 PM "

Yes. OKC got a lot of credit for making the series exciting last year but that was with an injured Bynum, Artest shooting around 10 percent, and Kobe literally limping through the series. OKC gets very little scoring from their bigs and their main scorer Durant does not play well against the Lakers. The only given is that Westbrook will go off but I don't know where they'll get the rest of their points.

If healthy, Portland would be tough.

Hello everyone! Game Day, well, maybe not, but always Laker Day!

It was double OT not triple.

So, is it any coincidence that #17 will be key to us earning our 17th Championship?

Coincidence? Or Destiny?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

888: read the Kobe piece from last thread. I really believe that between those of us here on the blog we could all contribute to write a *definitive* MJ vs Kobe piece, pointing out how the argument that MJ is head and shoulders above Kobe is flat out hogwash.

Posted by: CyberCosmiX | March 24, 2011 at 02:46 PM

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Actually, hobbitmage recently set forth a very compelling argument on that topic that can stand on its own.

On the radio this morning they were saying that Boston was basically hoping the Lakers would be taken out by OKC, that way they wouldnt have to worry about them.

Posted by: Practice Season Police | March 24, 2011 at 02:19 PM

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OK, here's my olive branch.

That's interesting considering that on the date the trade was made, the Spurs were 47-10, the Mavs were 41-16, the Lakers were 40-19 and the Thunder were 36-20 and in position to face the Spurs in Round 2. Were the Celtics gambling that with the addition of injured Perkins, the Thunder would improve to a #2 or #3 seed and play the Lakers in the second round? Maybe after seeing the Lakers difficult schedule, that was their thinking. Surprise, surprise!

Or were they thinking that with Perkins, they can beat the Spurs in Round 2 and then defeat the Lakers in the WCF? All I'm saying is that the chances of the Lakers playing the Thunder in Round 2 or the WCF was less likely at the time the trade was made than the Lakers meeting the Thunder at all in the playoffs, or so it seemed to me.

Meanwhile, Andrew Bynum dwarfs Kendrick Perkins anyway, Mr. Lifetime 7 and 7 doesn't concern me at all. Short of acquiring Dwight Howard, the Thunder could have made any trade they wanted for a big man and they would face the same problem as they did before the deal and that every NBA team has against us. No team can match the length, skill and energy that we bring at the 4-5 positions for 48 minutes a game in a 7 game series. Period.

Another re-post (sorry):

As long as Dirk Nowitzki is the Mavs' centerpiece, they are doomed in a seven game series against us. Six games max.

I'm in the middle of Bill Simmons'* "Book of Basketball" in his Hall of Fame section and I just read about Elvin Hayes, whose game was eerily similar to Nowitzki's. Why did The Big E's teams fail? He was a power forward scorer like Nowitzki who relied on a fade away jump shot, like Nowitzki, which took him a way from the basket for a rebound, like Nowitzki. Add in the fact that Nowitzki is a soft defender, and the Mavs' best player creates automatic deficits at both ends of the floor in a 7 game series, as has been proven time and time again. Also consider that Andrew Bynum made mince meat out of Tyson Chandler in their recent head to head match up and that Kobe is usually guarding Jason Kidd and making his life miserable. OK, Jason Terry goes off on us no matter whose guarding him, but so what. That's not going to be enough for them.

* OK, I deserve to be bashed for reading Bill Simmons' book, but the guy has me in stitches and if you take away his Celtics bias (which he owns in a VERY funny way) and his Lakers hatred, I must admit that I find myself agreeing with him about 75-80% of the time on everything else. The biggest crack up was his extensive write up on Bill Laimbeer and how he hates everything about him and what an a-hole he is, but after this long drawn out write up about Laimbeer, Simmons inserts one of his famous footnotes at the end and it said something like : "But if he was on the Celtics I would have loved him." I LMAO'd!

I watched MJ a ton (WGN), although always a Laker fan since Jer and Elg. Obviously I have watched Kobe a ton. Realistically they seem like clones to me. Not sure why one has to be better than the other? There may be minor differences, but if they were starting up teams, I wouldn't mind second pick, ha, ha. They were, are, both Great!

@LT - Thanks for sharing the info that AB apologized to Beas. I wasn't aware of that. That shows good character.

Drew deserved a ONE game suspension at most. That foul looked much worse than it actually was because of his follow through after contact. Crafty veterans get away with those type of elbows by restraining their follow through, which disguises the contact. (i.e. KG's elbows). Brian Shaw claimed the toughest players on the Lakers were the perimeter players, but Drew's recent dedication to rebounding and defense, coupled with the emergence of the Black Swan, is bringing toughness to this team at EVERY position.

As far as Drew, well, kinda on that fence, you know in the middle. I am always concerned that he has any issues at all now with knees. I have always said that I would probably swap for Howard given the chance, but not cause I dislike Drew. Personally, I hope Drew continues to play well and helps us to the 3-peat! As a couple of years go by, he could be our number one option, or at least be one of (Kobe). Kobe's extra rings may well be determined by Drew and not Kobe himself. Just a thought.

Way to bring it Drew.

We're not soft.

I watched MJ a ton (WGN), although always a Laker fan since Jer and Elg. Obviously I have watched Kobe a ton. Realistically they seem like clones to me. Not sure why one has to be better than the other? There may be minor differences, but if they were starting up teams, I wouldn't mind second pick, ha, ha. They were, are, both Great!

Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | March 24, 2011 at 02:57 PM
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Agreed. Because he was put on SUCH a high pedestal, Micahel Jordan will never be remembered for anything short of near perfection, while Kobe has had to scrape and claw his way through his entire career to earn his status in history. It was always Jordan's team, too, and he didn't have to deal with the biggest Alpha Dog on the planet every day for 8 seasons. So I am with you 100%.

As an example, even Jordan's famous 45 point outburst and the game winning push off shot against Bryon Russell in Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals is a bit blown out of proportion. He took 35 of his team's 67 shots, making 15 and he managed to shoot 15 free throws, making 12. Meanwhile his teammates shot 59.3% from the field (19-32) and were 3 for 4 from the line. Considering that MJ only had 1 assist and 1 rebound, that tells me that his teammates really stepped up for that win, too, just like Kobe's did in game 7 last year. The difference is that because MJ is so beloved, only his 45 points and last second (push off) shot will be remembered, while all that people will ever write about Kobe is the fact that he went 6-24, despite his 10 fourth quarter points and his 15 rebounds. Both players ahd an enormous impact on the outcomes of those deciding games, only that MJ's will be viewed historically as a great performance and Kobe's will be viewed as a choke job. it's all perception.

KM8,

You are very right about game 7 and Kobe's contributions down the stretch in that 4Q. Everyone should re-watch the Olympic Champ game against Spain and see who brought victory in that 4Q!

"@BAY TO LA.... Did you realize that Drew sent Beasley a text message the next day apologizing for the hard foul? The Warren Sapp comparison was really hitting below the belt in my opinion. You obviously seem to have a problem with Drew. It seems every situation, you come out against him.
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Personally, I thought it was a flagrant 1 not 2 but I also thought it was exactly what the Lakers need from Drew – toughness and intimidation. Like Kobe said, he earned his stripes. Players will remember Beasley, Perkins, and Wallace and will not be eager to challenge Drew in the middle.
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TOM

Posted by: LakerTom | March 24, 2011 at 02:40 PM "

Tom, to clarify I am not comparing him to Warren Sapp as a human being, only that his response was similar. When Warren Sapp hit that guy, his response was essentially that the guy landed poorly and he deflected the attention away from what caused him to land poorly. It was a very dangerous play. He led with his elbow and jumped into Beasley and made no play on the ball. I can't find any way to interpret that play to be anything other than a Flagrant 2. Don't you agree he was trying to send a message for Beasley's trash talking?

It's good that he apologized personally to Beasley, I didn't know he did that. However, his comments in the media are less apologetic. His reputation has gained toughness but I think the NBA may be quicker to rule against him in the future on any hard fouls based on his response. Personally, I think he would have looked a lot better to the league if he said was slow to rotate on the play and in reacting to it, he didn't have time to get his hands up to defend the shot.

Guess I'd better go take a few grounders and not back up on them, ha, ha. Hey Buck, I forgot how many Rings you have, yeah, that's what I thought!

I might be in the minority, but the Bynum foul on Beasley was THE biggest play of the year for the Lakers. It's the proverbial line in the sand, the signal from above.

Bay to LA

I'm glad that Drew's comments to the media were less apologetic and, frankly, I wonder what kind of apology he texted to Beasley. Was it: "I'm sorry for that hard foul" or was it "I hope you're okay" ?

Personally, I hope it was the latter. I'm sick and tired of people calling Bynum "soft." I would rather have him scare people.

I might be in the minority, but the Bynum foul on Beasley was THE biggest play of the year for the Lakers. It's the proverbial line in the sand, the signal from above.

Posted by: thesteve | March 24, 2011 at 03:27 PM
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To make analogy, when Derek Fisher crumpled Luis Scola in Round 2, Game 2 in 2009, that was the turning point of that series for the Lakers.

Agree bynums suspension was a bit harsh but only because there's been a lot worst intentional hits that got less time... But then again there's just no method to sterns madness.. No guidelines or no rules on suspensions.. Really just based on his feelings for that certain player or their reputation or even his mood that day.. But this does bring back memories of kobes one game suspension back in 2007 on that inadvertent kick on ginobli.. Now that was the worst BULLCRAP ever.

888: "But if he was on the Celtics I would have loved him." I LMAO'd!
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LOL at least Simmons is honest about his Celtic-centric views! Reminds me of the line 63 said earlier about Havilicek, about how it's unfortunate he was a Celtic LOL.

As for the Kobe/MJ debate, Kobe has had to battle through being cast as an anti-hero. MJ was always seen as the hero, a reputation he took great care in fostering. Kobe never catered to the press like MJ, Kobe is more singlemindedly obsessed with Charlie Sheen's new fave word: WINNING

That's blasphemy as MJ supposed was the face of win-at-all-costs, but Kobe has matched him every bit, if not done him better.

That game 6, '98 Finals vs the Jazz you cite is the perfect example. MJ skittered around that whole game, anyone that thinks Kobe forces shots should watch that game. But, he hits the last second shot, the apparent career-closer and the hero comes away riding into the sunset with the picture-perfect ending.

No wonder so many Space Jammers look at MJ as the perfect story, they want MJ to fulfill their hero tale. The 5-for-19 shooting nights are easily forgotten in weaving the tale of the mighty MJ.

Yeah, hobbit has been doing a nice job illustrating how Kobe is truly right there with MJ. A better job I might add than most Kobe vs MJ pieces I've read...

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Art, cool to see you back on the blog. You're a good guy, a decent human being and the blog is a better place when you're involved!

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Jon K: "So, is it any coincidence that #17 will be key to us earning our 17th Championship? Coincidence? Or Destiny?"
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How eerie is that, cool observation!

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LRob: With the Blazers/Hornets/Grizz within a game and a half of each other battling it out for 6,7,8 - I bet the Lakers are hoping for anyone but the Blazers at 7 (given the Lakers most likely ending up at the 2-spot). Incredibly though, the Grizz with Battier in for Gay have been scoring at a better clip, but there is no way they are a better team without him for sure!


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!

OK, I really gotta stop coming here, only doing it to get out of cleaning the house. Might have to turn off/unplug the PC to do it, but must do whatever it takes. Ugh, I hate procrastinating!

"Bay to LA

I'm glad that Drew's comments to the media were less apologetic and, frankly, I wonder what kind of apology he texted to Beasley. Was it: "I'm sorry for that hard foul" or was it "I hope you're okay" ?

Personally, I hope it was the latter. I'm sick and tired of people calling Bynum "soft." I would rather have him scare people.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | March 24, 2011 at 03:32 PM "

If his goal was to increase his toughness factor, he accomplished that. The only potential downside I see is that if he is involved in any kind of hard foul in the future, the league could remember his response here and treat him like he is a dirty player and hard fouls are what he's all about.

It's fortunate Minnesota didn't respond the way most teams would have. That kind of foul being committed on a teammate would have started a brawl with most teams. I think that would probably include the Lakers.

@ KobeMVP888-

Echoing what others have said, welcome back to the blog. I'm glad you're back. Your presence was genuinely missed.

@ Jon K.-

Cue the Twilight Zone theme music, you may be spot-on accurate about AB17 being the "key" to the Lakers earning their 17th NBA World Championship this June.

@ LakerTom -

Peering into my freshly-polished crystal ball, just as The Admiral moved over to make room for Duncan, the Lakers may one day be known as Andrew's team, and Kobe recognized as Bynum's sidekick. That is, if The Black Mamba's ego could allow such a thing.


P & G R

SIAP...but Henry Abbott had a good article on Jerry West, and the the competitiveness of JW, Kobe and other great athletes.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/26726/jerry-west-on-help

If his goal was to increase his toughness factor, he accomplished that. The only potential downside I see is that if he is involved in any kind of hard foul in the future, the league could remember his response here and treat him like he is a dirty player and hard fouls are what he's all about.

Posted by: Bay to LA | March 24, 2011 at 03:40 PM
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What's done is done. Bynum has now given Gerald Wallace a fractured rib and a pneumothorax and let Beasley know not to mess with him or his teammates. If this earns young Andrew, with his goofy little smile, a reputation as a thug with David Stern and his minions, I can only hope that Drew gets even nastier. If Kendrick Perkins and filthy Kevin Garnett can get away with it, why not Andrew? The reality is that the refs have never let Bynum play anyway, so what's going to be the difference now? None. Unlike Dwight Howard, Bynum has an All-Star caliber player (whether it's LO or Pau) coming in for him when he's in foul trouble. So Lamar plays more minutes from time to time. I can live with that. Can you?

LRob,

Funny funny, but believe it or not I actually thought about that myself. I thought to myself wow, I stop blogging and the Lakers are almost unbeatable, maybe I should just stay away while they are winning like this. It's funny the things we think up, the little superstitions we create in our head and then think they might actually have an effect on something like a Lakers games. I bet many of us have done it or still do.

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Cyber,

You talkin' to me?? ( in my best De Niro-Taxi Driver accent)...
That was very kind, but darn, now there's expectations to live up to.
Oh well, I'll try, but no promises...

@ KobeMVP888-

Echoing what others have said, welcome back to the blog. I'm glad you're back. Your presence was genuinely missed.

Posted by: Purple & Gold Reign | March 24, 2011 at 03:44 PM
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Thank you, my fellow Lakers fan! I will make every effort to keep it cool and informative from this point forward. Let's ride this express train to #17!!

"To make analogy, when Derek Fisher crumpled Luis Scola in Round 2, Game 2 in 2009, that was the turning point of that series for the Lakers.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | March 24, 2011 at 03:34 PM "

To make another analogy, do you think Raja Bell clotheslining Kobe was the turning point for the Suns in 2006? Or Robert Horry knocking Steve Nash into the scorers table being the turning point for the Spurs in 2007?

I guess maybe I'm deserving of the soft label but I don't like celebrating non-basketball plays like these.

CyberCosmiX,

Kobe is not going to beat MJ in a few ways that will make it hard for him to compete with Michael. Michael has 10, TEN, scoring titles, 6 Finals MVPs, a defensive player of the year award and 5 MVPs. Like Kobe, MJ got cheated out of a few MVPs. Jordan also had a superior work rate and is considered by most to have been a much better defender in work output (even if they are similarly skilled defensively). I'm aware Scottie was guarding the other team's best player, but Jordan probably still did more on defense.

Now, I do think Kobe has the skill advantage and does take more responsibility for running a team so some of Jordan's advantages have to be negated.

However, comparing the two carefully makes Jordan a pretty clear favorite in my opinion.

I'm a huge, huge Kobe fan.

I tell people all the time by not watching him they are missing out on an incredible treat and the best player of his generation.

And his career isn't over, but Kobe is not getting some of the same accolades that MJ did. I don't see him getting a DPOY, as many MVPs (4 behind) or as many Finals MVPs (4 behind).

Kobe is in the conversation and he certainly will be more in the conversation by the time his career is over. But, I think ultimately Kobe may end being a solid number two, even with 8 'ships and 5 Finals MVPs.

When considering if you wanted MJ on your team for one season vs. Kobe, I think MJ gets the nod. He does more because he's similarly driven and talented, but a much more freakish athletic specimen that just doesn't seem to ever run out of energy. Kobe is just a little more human. Jordan got better, easier shots due to his athleticism than Kobe did even though Kobe makes tough shots better than anyone in NBA history.

That's my take and I would love to be proven wrong.

Welcome back Bynum!

You took a break of the perfect length, forcing us to seriously man up and adjust our game. Great to have you back!

Oh, and talk to Phil about what to say to the media about your hard fouls. Don't be an idiot. Mention that you texted an apology to the player as the first thing when you talk about a flagrant foul.

Great impact player for us, but he could be a little brighter. He's continuing to do a lousy job of playing the media politics game.

Benjamin


@JON K... “So, is it any coincidence that #17 will be key to us earning our 17th Championship?
Coincidence? Or Destiny?” It’s destiny, Jon. I’ve actually had that exact same thought about #17 myself. Watching Drew play since the all-star break definitely makes that a real possibility. I think it is not entirely unlikely that Drew could end up sharing Finals MVP with Kobe if he continues to play at the level he has been. Lamar winning 6th man and Drew sharing Finals MVP. Wow!!!
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@KOBEMVP888... Great point about how MJ was put on a pedestal while Kobe had to claw his way back from the Colorado disaster. MJ also had the refs in his pocket while Kobe more often than not gets stiffed by the refs and rarely gets the same favorable treatment that LeBron gets.
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@BAY TO LA... Thanks for your response and clarification. I probably overreacted because I always hated Warren Sapp. I actually don’t think Drew was trying to hurt Beasley or trying to send a message to him for his trash talking. I think Drew just lost his cool after being hammered all game and took it out on the next guy who came into the paint. He just has to realize that that is how it is with big guys in the NBA. He is never going to get the calls that smaller guys do.
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Like Kobe, Drew has a little mean streak when he feels he has gotten the short end of the stick. I understand because I was the same way as a player. In the end, he does have to learn how to go for the ball when making a hard foul because the league will be watching closer as you pointed out. And he definitely does not want to end up causing a career ending injury to another player. In the end, though, I had no problem with his comments. His job is to intimidate the opposition.
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@PG&R... Hey, keep that crystal ball polished. I like what you are seeing in it. I’ll bet if you check it out say 6 years into the future, we will still see Kobe Bryant doing his thing as if time stood still. Only difference will be he will now be the Lakers point guard, Doberman defender, and closer.
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TOM

About Bynums foul. I like that the Lakers have developed a toughness about them.
I only wish Pau wasn't afraid to foul when needed.
In one of the OT's ( pretty sure), I think it was Gortat went to dunk and Fish gave him a nice hard foul across both arms preventing the score. I wish Pau would do that when needed.
Anyway, while I like toughness, I don't want to see it cross over the line and give them a rep as dirty, or see any of their players, including Bynum, develop a rep similar to KG or Perkins.
The Lakers aren't the Celtics and haven't had to stoop to their level of nastiness.
I hope they never do. One of the things I hate about the Celtics is that dirty type of play, I hope the Lakers never go there as I would definitely lose some respect for them.

KobeMVP888,

You don't have to apologize for liking Bill Simmons. They guy is a terrific writer. You miss out on a ton if you ever miss his annual least valuable player award. Simmons also makes up for his anti-Lakers bias (and who could respect a Celtics fan that didn't have it) by one incredible article about Elgin Baylor.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/081008

If you have 20 minutes, stop what you're doing and read that article if you haven't.

Simers and Paschke, in our paper no less, are a completely different matter.

CCX,

re: Bynum.

I think you have mis-understood my past posts. Allow me to clarify.

LakerTom's love of Bynum caused him to sell Bynum to the blog like a
used car dealer. The historical facts are that Bynum wasn't playing up to
the marketing pitch.

I have consistently stated that any player who's not giving his all needs to
have his butt kicked, so that he performs better OR be traded.

Some of the Bynum marketing indicated that we needed to make him the
focal point of the offense and this would lead to him playing defense and
thus all would be well in the purple & gold realm.

I vigorously denied that then. I vigorously deny that now.

I *clearly* stated that what was needed was a defensive minded center.
Therefore, if Bynum wasn't going to be defensive minded another reasonable
center, who was defensive minded, would do just as well.

Per Bynum's own words ... he has decided to become defensive minded and
focus on rebounding. I have always maintained that this is *EXACTLY*
what the Lakers needed.

re: inside-outside basketball. I have never said that it doesn't work. I actually
said that it works only if the bigs are doing there job. Referencing downNout
... the team is not involved if the bigs are just standing there sucking up
space and smiling for the posters as other team run layup drills and dunks.

So. With Bynum focused on playing defense and rebounding ... woo-hoo!
The Lakers have all they need and should repeat. If Bynum goes back to his:
"I'm not getting the ball, so I'm not going to rebound" I will once again call
for a butt-kicking or for his being traded.

re: trading Bynum. No one has ever shown that the Lakers could/would
not win with a PF/C rotation of Gasol/Odom/[Melo or Bosh]. *I* think
both of those players are *very* good and the Lakers could have certainly
won with either. Would it be different chemistry than with Bynum?
Certainly. Would it have worked? I see no reason why it wouldn't.

As I posted earlier. Bulls vs. Jazz .. The might Luc Longley had 1 pt in game
6. Obviously, it's possible to win with a less than great center.

Does that clarify things for you?

It was double OT not triple.

Posted by: James | March 24, 2011 at 02:53 PM


Dude, what game were you watching. I was up til 11:30. Triple Overtime.....

I guess maybe I'm deserving of the soft label but I don't like celebrating non-basketball plays like these.

Posted by: Bay to LA | March 24, 2011 at 04:04 PM

=====

I'm with you on that concept, but considering that it takes a Mixed Martial Arts mentality to win championships ever since Chuck Daly and the Bad Boy Pistons introduced this style of play almost a quarter century ago, unfortunately if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, and PJ knows this better than anyone. We are accustomed to watching basketball played the way it's supposed to be played; the aesthetic version where the ball is shared and there's a lot of spacing and movement without the ball that doesn't require multiple illegal screens to free someone up. Defensively, the Lakers are viewed as "soft" mainly because other teams play this rugged style against a team whose reputation is "finesse." When the playoffs arrive, all bets are off and we can and do play any style we are forced to play. But we are in absolute agreement here in principle. It just doesn't reflect reality.

Laker Tom,

"I actually don’t think Drew was trying to hurt Beasley or trying to send a message to him for his trash talking."

Was that the issue?

As soon as Beasley hit the floor, Bynum walked away with a pissed look on his face and Lamar stared down Beasley as he approach him crumpled on the floor while Barnes talked smack in the background. I assume Beasley did something to provoke The Beast, but I have no idea what it was.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

"@BAY TO LA... Thanks for your response and clarification. I probably overreacted because I always hated Warren Sapp. I actually don’t think Drew was trying to hurt Beasley or trying to send a message to him for his trash talking. I think Drew just lost his cool after being hammered all game and took it out on the next guy who came into the paint. He just has to realize that that is how it is with big guys in the NBA. He is never going to get the calls that smaller guys do.
...
Like Kobe, Drew has a little mean streak when he feels he has gotten the short end of the stick. I understand because I was the same way as a player. In the end, he does have to learn how to go for the ball when making a hard foul because the league will be watching closer as you pointed out. And he definitely does not want to end up causing a career ending injury to another player. In the end, though, I had no problem with his comments. His job is to intimidate the opposition.
................................
TOM

Posted by: LakerTom | March 24, 2011 at 04:11 PM "

That's the fine line. You can be a feared enforcer in the paint without being malicious or a dirty player. It doesn't take many hard fouls or frustration fouls to have yourself labeled as a disrespectful thug like Kevin Garnett. Kevin is the only player I can think of that has committed a foul similar to Andrew's on Michael Beasley. Kevin is known for throwing his shoulder and driving into players when setting picks but Andrew did it on a player driving to the basket which I actually don't recall seeing Kevin do (yet).

It was similar to the hit a linebacker would put on a receiver when he catches a ball in the openfield. Very very dangerous. I don't like it and I don't want to see it again so hopefully he learns from it. If he went straight up with both hands, he could have sent Beasley to the floor with nothing more than a personal foul.

By the way, I was proud of Andrew's throwdown on Sleepy Eye Beasley.

Every 7' center could use a healthy dose of mean.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

KobeMVP888,

You don't have to apologize for liking Bill Simmons. They guy is a terrific writer. You miss out on a ton if you ever miss his annual least valuable player award. Simmons also makes up for his anti-Lakers bias (and who could respect a Celtics fan that didn't have it) by one incredible article about Elgin Baylor.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/081008

If you have 20 minutes, stop what you're doing and read that article if you haven't.

Simers and Paschke, in our paper no less, are a completely different matter.

Posted by: Benjamin | March 24, 2011 at 04:14 PM
=====

In his book, Simmons makes the argument that Baylor should have won the 1962 MVP. He drools all over Baylor. Wilt averaged 50.4 - 25 that year and Oscar averaged a triple double, but Russell won the award. Remember that Simmons didn't see Baylor play, just clips, and he relies heavily on stats when he hasn't seen a player play.

A player who Simmons never saw, but who I saw play, was Hal Greer of the 76ers. Relying on stats and interviews, Simmons paints a different picture of Hal Greer than I remember. His discussion centered around the fact that Greer was not an exciting player, when I recall always looking forward to watching him play because he was so dynamic. Perhaps that's how my mind works and I should probably defer to such a student of basketball history like Bill Simmons rather than relying on my own deteriorating memory. Interestingly, Simmons though that the one fresh, exciting thing he brought up about Hal Greer was that he is the only player who ever shot a jump shot for his free throws. I knew that. In fact, they were from 18 feet, but he didn't bring that up!

I will read the Baylor article tonight during the NCAA games. Go 'Cats!

CyberCosmiX
Tom Daniels
Jon K

Gotta keep it real...at least when Mamba24 is NOT in the house!

Celtics are 4-5 over the past 2 weeks...they should be 2-7, but late rallies overcame big deficits to get them past NY and NO....Chicago/LA has past them for home court, and Miami will soon join them.

Many of the "fan-boys" on the Celtic blogs are in denial.
Truth is, this is our reality....it`s up to Shaq & Jermaine to save our season!

@BAY TO LA... From BK article about Drew:
...
Bynum said he texted Beasley following the game.
"Just seeing if he was all right," he said. "You don't want guys to get hurt."
...............................
TOM


RED`S LOVE CHILD,

How realistic do you think it is that the O'Neals will come back at full strength? Honestly?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

@BAY TO LA... From BK article about Drew:
...
Bynum said he texted Beasley following the game.
"Just seeing if he was all right," he said. "You don't want guys to get hurt."
...............................
TOM


Posted by: LakerTom | March 24, 2011 at 04:38 PM
====

Then I was right. He probably didn't type in the words "I'm sorry." It's more like, "Let's hug it out." A non-apology apology. Our young center is growing up.


@KOBEMVP888.... As a big Wilt fan, I was a 76ers fan during the days of Hal Greer, Billy Cunningham, Luke Jackson, Matt Goukas, Dave Gambee, and the incomparable Wali Jones. Hal Greer was one of the greatest shooters ever in my opinion. He was money in the clutch and had one of the smoothest jumpers ever. And man, you had to love his theory that free throws were just chances to practice his jumper. By the way, Hal was an 80% lifetime free throw shooter.
.......................
TOM

RED`S LOVE CHILD,

If Shaq "saves your season," all he'll do is inspire Kobe Bryant to play like a rabid wolverine in the Finals from his presence alone.

When is Shazam going to finally get on the court, anyhow?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

that is nothing compared to the showtime era during magic's and kareem's time. It is just that today's NBA doesn't allow enforcer type behavior just trash talk but no walk.

RED: Just heard that Shaq took a cortisone injection, expected back in a week or so.

- - -

hobbit: I get what you're saying better now. I give you credit too for always pointing out that defense wins rings, very true. When everything slows down in the playoffs and the halfcourt game takes over, the importance of defense is magnified.

Bynum definitely is showing a renewed commitment to defense that is a joy to watch. If he can retain some of the same power on offense while also maintaining the great defense he's been playing - wow.

Please step in and answer Benjamin if you wish.

- - -

Benjamin, I apologize for not being able to give you a complete answer at the moment as much as I'd like to. I promise to do so in a week or so. I ask hobbit/888 or anyone else to please answer you if they can.

Kobe will never be able to match MJ's individual awards. He just can't. Their careers were different, MJ never played with a dominant player/personality/presence like Shaq.

Jordan though, he couldn't beat the great teams of the '80s until they tailed off. He never led the Bulls past them when they were at their peak. I can make an argument that the Celtics of last year were better than any team MJ was able to beat in his Finals wins. Outside of Magic, the '91 Lakers were a shell of themselves and had already started transitioning to the Divac/Elden crew of the '90s.

I can also say how Kobe never had the perfect wingman at his side like Jordan had in Pippen. In fact, Kobe never had the basketball pedigree Michael had, from Dean Smith to Chicago darling to a team built around his talents. Kobe had to endure Del Harris benchings his first couple years, then Shaq quables, well we all know the rest.

Jordan was media darling, Kobe the dark, brooding antisocial guy. Shaq soaking up as much media attention he could, Kobe was always cast as the malcontent.

Will quickly add that MJ had freedom of offense very early on, similar to what Kobe now enjoys. MJ though had it much earlier in his career, and without a big-man he was free to post-up much more than Kobe has ever been able to. That explains some of the discrepancy between shooting percentages, scoring numbers especially. Still, I saw that Kobe is the #1 player in the NBA this year in iso's in the post. I tend to think had Kobe always had the freedom to post-up, he'd be right there numbers-wise, just look at the couple years after Shaq left to see Kobe's numbers. 35 and 32 ppg I believe.

Ugh, hate to give you an incomplete answer but if I don't clean this place my wife might kill me.


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!

"that is nothing compared to the showtime era during magic's and kareem's time. It is just that today's NBA doesn't allow enforcer type behavior just trash talk but no walk.

Posted by: nico | March 24, 2011 at 04:50 PM "

McHale only received a technical for his foul on Rambis. It's just too dangerous to allow players to cheap shot a guy that has a wide open path to the basket. It's not basketball.

I am glad they tightened their stance on these plays. As an NBA fan, I want to see a guy dunk the ball when he has a breakaway, not a cheapshot takedown.

I must be in the wrong blog....no one is putting down Fisher and his 16 years of NBA experience....

"It was double OT not triple.

Posted by: James | March 24, 2011 at 02:53 PM"

HUH????
http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/food/full_menu/sandwiches.html

In the double quarter pounder with cheese, I count 2 patties...Is this a trick question, cuz if you got us, congrats....

I like Drew's response. He admits some "doing wrong"...look, he knew he was gonna cross the line, but thought, maybe a flagrant and that's it....it's just the fact Beasley fell and was injured. I want the other teams to think twice before driving the lane. We all whine about Pau, Kobe almost had him cross over to the "Darkside", but he's back to softball, not hardball. Contacting Beaseley and probably apologizing shows class. What more do people want, a press conference to apologize to the entire league for an arm foul...he did not shoulder tackle him, yes I know beaz was in the air, bur drew turned and let beaz fly into his arm...I like Odom's role, he drew the line, saying, no twolves are going to get past me, and as I said, I think Barnes got fired up because Webster shoves his own teammate Ridnour(???) into Barnes, watch that, it shows up very early on the you tube clip @ 0:19......I say it was a hard flagrant foul, but not a "dirty" foul.........


I like Drew's quote, it's got a message in there...Look at all the times Shaq went off, and he's not known as a dirty player...it's similar, Drew is as big as Shaq almost, but you don't label them and ruin their careers...remember people used to say Stockton was dirty...check this out...
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/readers/dirtiest/players.html

c'mon Drew's good, move on.....

A lineup of Gasol/Odom/Melo....that would have been horrible, Odom, is having a great year, but for how long til the honeymoon's over, Gasol soft and fumbles the ball, when he's bumped, Melo...the 2nd coming of Glen Rice...an outside player that can play inside....the floor would be so spread....the other team will get whiplash looking around for our inside players, it would have been a blessing that Kobe got those footwork lessons from Hakeem....

Shaq`s return date keeps getting pushed back....April 1st is new target date...he last played on Feb. 1st...scary thing is he`s still not running, just uses stationary bike...he`s dieted away about 20 pounds

Ainge says Jermaine might play next week, which won`t happen.....up until the eve of the 2009 playoffs, Ainge and Rivers told us KG would be ready.

Nobody expects either to be 100%...the goal is to get them to 80-85%...the feeling is KG, Baby, Murphy, Krstic need at least 30 minutes out of the O`Neals.

I am a HUGE fan of Andrew Bynum, but his comment was both ignorant and stupid. The foul against Beasley was a complete cheap shot in that he made absolutely no play on the ball and delivered a hard forearm to the body of an airborne player.

The two game suspension was TOTALLY justified, and if you disagree with that idea then go on the record and state that if Kendrick Perkins or KG did the same thing to Kobe you would not call for the same punishment.

LakerTom,

Speaking of Hal Grrreeeerrr.....Were you a Dave Zinkoff fan?

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@Triangular – Super saxes…cool. Even the Dizzy salute on Salt Peanuts.

@Art – Regarding superstition…that’s reminiscent of one Ray Ramano’s character on Men of A Certain Age. I checked out a few episodes on your recommendation. A little slow…and man they can be annoying, but it was worth checking out.

@Cyber – I don’t think the Blazers would only get one game in a playoff series with the Lakers. Playoffs are just a different beast. Lakers win first two at home and put big time pressure on the Blazers. It would be a tough 5 games. The Hornets would be a cakewalk.

@MVP/Benjamin – All this talk of Simmons will make me go out and get the book. Actually I’ve been meaning to get it anyway.

In response to your post: Posted by: hobbitmage | March 24, 2011 at 02:00 PM

1. I am not the coach and what Kobe should do is Phil's job and to which he clearly stated below:

"I like to see everybody involved in the game," Jackson said. "I've tried to preach as a basketball coach, even though we have a guy that dominates the ball in Kobe, basketball is not a one on one game — it's a team game."


2. Am I having problem comprehending Phil’s statement or is it you? You are the one who is painstakingly doing all the research to prove Phil wrong by defending Kobe. I understand Phil loud and clear, but the person who really needs to understand the ZEN master is apparently unable to compute, sigh!!

3. Why would I suggest that Kobe to pass or shoot, BUT, I agree with Phil because based on his statement and what I see during the game are in congruence. Read in between the lines :)

4. Did Phil mention MJ, DFish or anyone else in his statement? His message is direct to your hero!!

5. How come you steer away from the main course, please stay on course young man!!

hey guys, thanks for reminding me of DFish taking out scola from a few years ago in then playoffs. scola running into derek, was like running into brian urlacher. dfish has one of the best bodies in the nba. is it any wonder why he's never had a serious injury? he's in amazing shape and is built like, well.....a linebacker!

@LT – Don’t forget about the man of a thousand pump fakes…Mr. Smooth…Chet Walker.


@Bay to LA/MVP – Put me solidly in the hard, but “not dirty foul” camp. Drew’s foul crossed the line. He could’ve accomplished the same message by just coming down hard on Beas with his arms. There’s plenty of big men that were known to give hard fouls without crossing the line. Guys like Unseld, Buck Williams, Silas, Otis Thorpe, Bob Lanier, etc. They were physical but never dirty…and you knew better than to mess with them.

I went to a few games at the Spectrum. There has never been a more entertaining and beloved NBA PA announcer than Dave Zinkoff. He would be the NBA's equivalent of Bob Sheppard for the Yankees. Zink's Hal Greeeeeeer!! was the best of them all!! And here I was a Knicks fan those years. Zink was to Philadelphia what Chick Hearn is to LA, except that he was only a PA Announcer.

Posted by: God | March 24, 2011 at 05:18 PM

Yes, I agree with you, it was a an intentional foul and well deserved fine. Drew has the fire in his belly, a catalyst for his success. I drove down to Long Beach to see hm play in the summer league.

If Shaq "saves your season," all he'll do is inspire Kobe Bryant to play like a rabid wolverine in the Finals from his presence alone.

Posted by: Jon K. | March 24, 2011 at 04:47 PM

Wrong answer, we want him to play within the team concept and not take it personal. Did he not try in title game 7 last year in the first half? Did you not see the fear and frustration in his face, the fear title slipping away?

chet "the jet from bradley", use to love chick say that over the airwaves. he was a great player. he gave elgin all he could handle. BACK to the bynum foul. I guarantee you, next time the t-wolves play L.A., you won't hear beasley "woofing" it up against the Lakers. from what i heard and read, he was really "trash-talking" it up the whole game......i'm guessing bynum and company had it up to hear, hence the "take-out". my question is.....why would he, BEASLEY, trash-talk to the world champion Lakers? his effing team has won only 17 effing games the whole year! talk is cheap, wins are expensive!

LRob

I felt that either a 1 or 2 game suspension was justified and really had no qulams about the decision.

HAVING SAID THAT, Beasley is a trash talking jerk who baited Artest into a T earlier in the game and continued his trash talking until Drew leveled him. I don't support the foul, but I also was not happy about Drew apologizing, unless it was a "I hope you're OK" type of non-apology apology he sent. Bynum paid plenty for this incident, so the least he can get out of it is a little respect and a little fear from the rest of the NBA.

"I am a HUGE fan of Andrew Bynum, but his comment was both ignorant and stupid. The foul against Beasley was a complete cheap shot in that he made absolutely no play on the ball and delivered a hard forearm to the body of an airborne player.

The two game suspension was TOTALLY justified, and if you disagree with that idea then go on the record and state that if Kendrick Perkins or KG did the same thing to Kobe you would not call for the same punishment.

Posted by: God | March 24, 2011 at 05:18 PM"

go to youtube and look at NBA fights, there are plenty of current players, none are walking around with scarlet letters of "A" (for "Andrew-like")....it was not a hard forearm, it was Beasley airborne, and a forearm while turning away by Bynum, ... what if Bynum decided to meet him body to body in the air, that would have been a collision....c'mon, Kobe gets smacked around plenty, but the refs never call it, something turned the league against Kobe, some kinda "Stern Ultimatum".....career average of 7.6 free throws per game.....for as much as he goes freelancing, and he shoots the technicals, he should be averaging 9-11 per game over his career.....

Sure glad some trades did not go through, like when Lakers were going for Jermaine O'Neil (sic?) or KG,

Kobe and Smush.....Smush was just not a hard enough worker, he had some skills, and because he never developed them Kobe disses him, plus Smush said something about Kobe in an interview....what a fool, they let him start for what 82 plus 80 games, and he doesn't capitalize on it....like Sasha is trying to do now in New Jersey, and Farmar too, I glance at their stats, they have good nights but they have bad nights, that will be their downfall, consistency....Lakers gave both of those players many years to develop, couldn't cut it here, and probably won't be able to cut it there, you never know, maybe when NJ settles down and Sasha has a training camp with them, he'll be better.

Back to God....your comment was ignorant. IMHO. (I'll call you and apologize tomorrow, ok?)

hey guys, thanks for reminding me of DFish taking out scola from a few years ago in then playoffs. scola running into derek, was like running into brian urlacher. dfish has one of the best bodies in the nba. is it any wonder why he's never had a serious injury? he's in amazing shape and is built like, well.....a linebacker!

Posted by: Lakeshowinphx | March 24, 2011 at 05:37 PM

Actually I think he did have a serious injury once, I think it was his foot, during the time off he developed that beautiful jumper...he did not have it before the injury, I remember that for sure....he worked on a weakness in his game when others would have been playing Sony PSP, just as Kobe developed his left hand game when his right hand/arm had issues on season....

downNout in BH,

you wrote: 4. Did Phil mention MJ, DFish or anyone else in his statement? His message is direct to your hero!!

my response: Actually you got that wrong. His message is *NOT* to Kobe.
allow me to educate you.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/12/kobes-teammates-at-fault-for-him-over-shooting/

snippet:
‘Kobe’s going to come out there and attack if no one else is aggressive enough,’ Jackson said. ‘I always say, ‘If you feed him the ball, then you’re responsible for a lot of what’s going on.’

[ note: I don't know what you do for a living, but you seem unclear on the
concept. That sentence above contains an if/then clause. it's a basic
programming concept that's part and parcel of rational/logical thought.
The way you read it is: If A is true then B is true or conversely if A is *NOT*
true then B is not true. The following site might help with your education -
http://logic.philosophy.ox.ac.uk/ ]


snippet:
But as Jackson tried to explain to reporters after the game, the onus is and always has been on Bryant’s teammates to do something productive to prevent him from lighting his own fire for energy to ride to victory.

you can find supporting information here:

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jan/24/sports/sp-lakerep24

snippet:

"The ball has to move, the players have to move," he said. "And when they don't, they start standing and watching Kobe. Kobe might get 50, but we still ain't going to win, or we'll have a tough time of it.

"It's a team concept. It's based on ball and player movement with a purpose. It's predicated on that, and if we don't have that, then we're not a very good team."

As the Lakers try to find an identity without injured center Andrew Bynum, Winter went right to the heart of a possible solution.

"Lamar [Odom] and Luke [Walton] really might be the key to this," he said. "They're going to have to hit the open shots. They're going to have to hit a good percentage of their shots, which they're not doing right now. They'll get better and more open shots if we play a team concept and move the basketball and go through with our cuts."

In case you're wondering why I brought Tex Winters into the conversation ..

http://www.hoopskills.com/coaching/texwinters.html

you might be able to find the VHS on ebay or at a flea market.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tex_Winter

snippet:
He was hired to the position by General Manager Jerry Krause, an old friend he had met while at Kansas State. As an assistant to Phil Jackson, who took over as the Bulls' head coach in 1989, Winter and his triangle offense were an integral part of the Bulls' NBA championships in 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, and 1998. Winter followed Phil Jackson to the Los Angeles Lakers, where he collected three additional championship rings, in 2000, 2001, and 2002. Winter was also a consultant for the NBA-champion 2008–09 Los Angeles Lakers team.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_offense
snippet:
The offense also has a variety of options if there's heavy pressure from the defense. If the initial wing-pass by the guard isn't available, the triangle can be created on the other side by passing to the other guard, who then passes to the weak-side forward (who then becomes the strong-side wing). The guard, who initially had the ball, then cuts to the other corner. The center or the pressured wing can flash to the opposite post. If the guard-to-guard pass is not available, the weak-side forward can make a similar flash cut that was mentioned earlier. That also creates many cutting opportunities. If there is heavy pressure on everybody, the center can release the pressure by cutting to the high post for a pass by the ballhandling guard. That would also create space for possible cuts.

you seem to think that dominate == ballhog or some variation thereof.

It doesn't per the the dictionary definition.

However, we seem to have different beliefs about this.

I tell you what. You keep calling Kobe a ballhog and I'll keep counting
championships.


@KOBEMVP888 & RLC… Those 76er – Celtic Eastern Conference Finals were really the NBA Finals in those days. Great epic battles. My heart is still broken from the Celtics comeback when down 3-1.

That 76er team that broke through was eerily built on the same mold as this Lakers team:
…………………………………………
Wilt at the point in his career was the quintessential multi-tool old school center focused like Drew on rebounds and defense but with a power low post game that could dominate a game.

Hal Greer like Kobe was the scorer supreme who could rain jumpers down on the opposition.

Wali Jones like Fisher was the cagy veteran who could stab you in the heart with a killer 3.

Luke Jackson was the defensive tough guy like Ron Artest who’s offense could come alive.

Chet (how could I forget you) Walker was the man of a 1,000 moves and a deadly head fake face up shooter like Pau.

Kangaroo Billy Cunningham and cagy Matty Goukas off the bench like the goods Lamar Odom and court smart Steve Blake.

And finally, the ultimate similarity, Dave “the Duck” Gambee, the 76ers own version of Luke Walton, the guy who must have the goods on the coach to be given ANY playing time but is.
…………………………………………….
Eerie similarities but not a coincidence. Just two GMs that knew how to build a championship team. That 76ers team has to be in the conversation for the greatest NBA team ever..
……………………………………………
TOM


While doing research to respond to downNoutinBH,

I thought about him/her & Island Priest & Staples24.

then I found this:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kobe%20Envy

The feeling that anyone who rags on Kobe feels when talking any form of shit about Kobe Bryant.
Kobe Envist: Kobe is a ball hog.
Saoud: Are you f*&^%g stupid?
Kobe Envist: Well did you know he raped a girl?
Saoud: No he didnt he was proved innocent.
Kobe Envist: Jordan/Lebron is way better then Kobe.
Saoud: Holy Crap! you have one of the worst cases of Kobe Envy I have ever seen.

I also found this:

http://www.ehow.com/how_5289148_stop-being-hater.html

snippet:
Don't spread hate by listening to it. If someone is completely undeserving of the harshness someone is trying to push on them, either don't reply or pretend you never heard it.

Posted by: hobbitmage | March 24, 2011 at 06:34 PM

Please don't twist things around, I never have brought Kobe's past from Denver incident and now out of frustration you are resorting to cheap shots.
Lets keep this clean.

LakerTom,

Boston vs. Philly {1965-1968} was simply the greatest thing ever seen in NBA history.

The final minute of Game 7 {`68} was Russell at his greatest : Celtics up 97-96...Russell hits a free throw...Russell blocks a shot by Walker as he drove the lane...ball goes to Greer, he shoots from 20 ft....Russell grabs the rebound....Russell quickly fires outlet pass to Sam Jones for a layup...Celts win, 100-96!


and finally,

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kobe%20through%20it

Kobe through it

buy kobe through it mugs, tshirts and magnets
1. Taking on injuries like a warrior, possibly hitting multiple game winners and giving out 40 point performances to remind the haters that half of you is still better than two of them.

2. Sucking up pain and still going hard despite the pain.
1. Despite a index finger, back spasms, minor ankle problems, and a pinky finger that wasn't allowed surgery to heal correctly, Kobe Bryant Kobe'd through his injuries, supporting his team until finally receiving another, more serious, ankle injury. Realizing that Kobe'ing through it was no longer rational, he finally allowed himself rest.

2. "Shit, son, I might have sprained my wrist."

"Man up and Kobe through it!"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kobe%20Watching

1.) When Kobe is doing work and his teammates are watching history being made instead of helping him out.

Announcer: "kobe pulls up for three, misses grabs his rebound looks for an open teammate but there all staring at him like zombies, pulls up for another three and drains it!!"


segway into:

Look at downNoutinBH

now back to me.

now back to him.

NOW BACK TO ME.

Sadly he's not nearly as articulate as me,
but if he'd stop drinking the Kobe-Haterade he could reason like me.

Look up.
Look down.

On my hand are cheap knock offs of the championship rings that
Kobe has won.

[ whistle the Old Spice tune ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGykVbfgUE


THE LAKERS EDGE !!!
…………………………………
When you think about it, the Lakers edge over other teams is without a doubt the edge of their key players. It all starts with Kobe, who has been known to throw an errant elbow or fist when he gets frustrated over the zebras swallowing their whistles as he gets hammered. Then comes co-captain and president of the players association Derek Fisher, who didn’t hesitate to lay Scola on his back to make a point. Throw in Ron Artest, who is just crazy enough to scare of most players. Add a little Matt Barnes, edgy enough to fake throwing the ball into Kobe’s face. And top it off with the NBA’s newest and greatest defensive enforcer Andrew Bynum. There’s really no need to worry about Pau being a little soft. We’ve got enough guys with an edge who will have his back. Count on it! LOL!
………………………………….
TOM

The "youngster" is well rested and has less than 12 games to win in order to give his team a genuine chance for HCA in The Finals. We're definitely a confident lot, aren’t' we? No one is worried about the playoffs; we just want to be sure we have the HCA for June's Contest!


"Everything about the Lakers is geared toward winning playoff games. It's what they do." J.A. Adande


"Even when we didn’t make the playoffs, I thought we'd win the championship." Dr. Buss


Go Lakers & In Buss We Trust!!

"Peanut Butter" Rapper Ron A

bynum's iq is lower than his age!

Hey sorry for the lack of updates. I had an extended interview with Ron on his Mix tape and a 10 question from fans segment that should be up in the next few days. I should have some stuff up soon. For now, I put up a Laker girl profile


@RLC… Actually, I prefer the 1967 East Finals. I’m sure you remember, that’s the one the 76ers won blowing out the Celtics 4-1 on their way to the NBA championship. An at-that-time historical best 68-13 regular season record. But while I mourned the 76ers blowing that 3-1 lead the next year in the Conference Finals, you do realize it was the catalyst to for them trading Wilt Chamberlain to the Lakers and for me finally becoming a Lakers fan? How ironic. Well thank you, Boston.
………………………………….
TOM


Here's a picture of me interviewing Ron in case you're interested

http://on.fb.me/guHxsb

There’s really no need to worry about Pau being a little soft. We’ve got enough guys with an edge who will have his back. Count on it! LOL!
………………………………….
TOM

Posted by: LakerTom | March 24, 2011 at 06:49 PM
=====

LT

I'm a bit surprised at you. Soft, schmoft! Who dominated Dwight Howard in Game 5 of the 2009 NBA Finals and played him tough the entire series when Bynum wasn't guarding him? Who snatched 18 rebounds to Kevin Garnett's 3 rebounds in Game 7 of the 2010 NBA Finals and otherwise outplayed Garnett with the possible exception of Game 5? Yes, KG might not have been 100% last year, but I still believe that Pau has surpassed him. KG is a year older. Pau is 30.

There is the Pau who has his ups and down during the 82-game mess and then there is Playoffs Champion Pau. Don't confuse the two. The first one paces himself more than any other player on the Lakers during the long and sometimes grueling 82 and the second one shows up way more often than not in the playoffs. Pau shed the "soft" label after the 2008 playoffs. Don't expect him to regress this time around.

I went to a few games at the Spectrum. There has never been a more entertaining and beloved NBA PA announcer than Dave Zinkoff. He would be the NBA's equivalent of Bob Sheppard for the Yankees. Zink's Hal Greeeeeeer!! was the best of them all!! And here I was a Knicks fan those years. Zink was to Philadelphia what Chick Hearn is to LA, except that he was only a PA Announcer.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | March 24, 2011 at 05:44 PM
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Here goes Zink for you….Julius ERVVVing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XToKCL-a7RE

MJ / Kobe have similar skill sets but their games are somewhat different

MJ is a a better overall post player/has better shot selection while Kobe shots the long ball better (MJ shot higher percentage shots, but Kobe still shots a respectable 46% while taking over 2,000 more threes than MJ) and Kobe has a better handle.....MJ was a better defender overall but Kobe's defensive accolades are incredible as well

MJ has more MVP's, Finals MVP's, DPOY, Scoring titles- Kobe may end up with more Championships, Career Pts, Playoff Points, All Star appearances.......MJ will have better avgs - Kobe will have greater totals (total dominance vs unprecedented longevity/consistency)

MJ will always be liked more but when Kobe is done he could end up with 37,000+ pts, 6,500+Playoff points( be the all time leading scorer in playoff history), all time leader in 3pts made in playoff history, be the first player in history with playoff totals of 6,000 pts, 1000 rebs, 1000 assists ,300 3ptrs made and he could win at least 7 titles..........statistically he would clearly be a strong contender for the best of all time - check the books if he plays solid for 5 more seasons he will be the standard bearer for consistency/longevity, winning, and career accolades

Right now MJ's accomplishments are better but if Kobe continues to play solid he will be in a league of his own in many respects

I have enjoyed watching both dominate their era's .....their Careers, opportunities, and era's are very different........To say that Kobe has to accomplish every thing MJ did to be in the GOAT conversation is silly.....Kobe's career like MJ's will uniquely stand alone in NBA history

"@BAY TO LA... From BK article about Drew:
...
Bynum said he texted Beasley following the game.
"Just seeing if he was all right," he said. "You don't want guys to get hurt."
...............................
TOM


Posted by: LakerTom | March 24, 2011 at 04:38 PM
====

Then I was right. He probably didn't type in the words "I'm sorry." It's more like, "Let's hug it out." A non-apology apology. Our young center is growing up.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | March 24, 2011 at 04:44 PM"

** * Yeah, that's in line with his interview answer where he is not admitting any guilt or fault, more like, it's all part of the game, and stuff happens ........"I didn't think....", "I don't think......" (not about playing, but about the incident)......he did not admit guilt or remorse. The NBA is now invited to Andrew Bynum's "Block Party"!!!!!!!!!!!

Gasol is a humanitarian he is donating $1,000 for every point he scores on friday to japan relief. Why doesn't kobe donate $2,000 for every point he scores since he likes to shoot alot? Hobbit i see you were looking for answers from the priest but i was a bit busy today. But suffice to say phil who coached both mj and kobe knows that jordan is the goat. I will expand on this later. I read that mamba24 was calling it quits? He was a very enthusiastic laker fan and seemed to be cool. Even though he was a bit annoying with that cheering sheet. But I'm the priest, a mud slinging, hobbit bashing, sean beating and pie eating lakers champ. Peace out!

About Shaq going in for a cortisone injection, that is not a cure all. Especially for a man of his mass. It will take days to have any effect, if it does at all, and the amount of benefit is questionable. Duration of beneficial effects is questionable. I know, I'm getting one tomorrow. My HMO gives them out a bit too freely. However I have found my shoulder pain to be unbearable. Oral medications have no effect, the anti-inflammatories, the vicodin/Norco, the muscle relaxants, no relief....it affects my sleep, that's why I'm up til sunrise each morning....it's ok jobwise, because I work a swing shift...but I took this week off....Just when I think I've experienced the worst pain ever, whammo, a new one shows up...the toll of too much sports when younger and physical requirements for my job, which is a joke, because with my education, position and title, I should not have to do what I do, but it's a job, and I have to bear through it. A cortisone injection for Shaq will not cure his issues, he has issues from his physical development, and the fact that he chose to live his life in the 330 plus lb range. I have weighed 185 and when I lost 20 lbs, my body felt much better. Shaq just enjoys the life too much, he should be like Bynum is now....and that is why I said in a post about a few weeks ago that Bynum could afford to lose 10-20 lbs...Bynum would still dominate, he is a true "Beast" on the court, he's not "Jabba the Hut" that Shaq is...
...I seriously don't care who is the G.O.A.T. between MJ and KB....although, when KB is that close, I can understand why he will keep pushing...it would be nice to be known as the Greatest of All Time...I think if Kobe can get 1-2 more rings, and pass MJ in scoring, he would...if he were to pass Kareem, I don't think he would need the 1-2 additional rings....People will always argue, and we all know, that there are people that you can not reason with.


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