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What trading Andrew Bynum would do for the Lakers

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In a video that instantly went viral, Lakers guard Kobe Bryant didn't mince words when asked whether the Lakers should trade Andrew Bynum.

"Ship his .... out!:

It was just one of many grievances Bryant had with the Lakers front office in the 2007 off-season, as he pushed the Lakers to trade Bynum to New Jersey for Jason Kidd. The Lakers' contention that a young Bynum would become the future of the franchise was not worth the wait in Bryant's eyes. He wanted to win a championship instantly.

Bryant soon reached that point, but that didn't involve the Lakers trading him or Bynum. Instead, Derek Fisher's return and the acquisition of Pau Gasol helped spur the Lakers to three consecutive NBA Finals appearances, including back-to-back championships. Yet, with the Lakers' recently going through too much inconsistency to the Lakers' liking, Mitch Kupchak's consideration to make a trade, as reported by ESPN.com's Chris Broussard, could involve sending Bynum to the Denver Nuggets as part of a deal for Carmelo Anthony.

Keep in mind the report indicates that this is only in preliminary discussions, and if anything involving the Melo-Drama has taught us anything, it's that the sausage-making process could take a while or frankly lead to nothing. The Times' Mike Bresnahan and Broderick Turner also report the Lakers immediately refuted the story, with a team source telling them they're unwilling to deal Bynum. The New York Daily News' Frank Isola adds that the Lakers recently turned down a deal because Jim Buss, the owner's son and Lakers VP of Player Personnel, doesn't want to trade him. Also, keep in mind Bynum's name has been floated in plenty of trade offers before, what with the possibility the Lakers would send him last season to Toronto for Chris Bosh and when possibly to Minnesota when Kevin Garnett was still around.

But for the sake of figuring out what trading Bynum in general terms would do for the Lakers, there's definitely a few pros and cons.

The Lakers' identity would change. Obviously, the degree of concern depends on who the Lakers would get in return. But even acquiring someone as talented as Anthony would yield to some changes that would change the team for the worse, especially in the short term. Time and time again, Lakers Coach Phil Jackson, opposing coaches and the players themselves all agree that one of the Lakers' distinguishable skillsets involves the fact that they have two seven-footers in Bynum and Pau Gasol. That's not to take anything away from Bryant. He's a major element why the Lakers' frontline flourishes and why opposing defenses are mostly at a lose-lose situation when it comes to what priority they should place on defense. But one only has to look at the 2010 NBA playoffs to know how Bynum's presence alone completely altered the landscape of the game. Even while playing limited minutes with a meniscus tear in his right knee, Bynum' presence alone disrupted passing lanes, sharpened the defensive rotations, intimidated opposing players from driving the lane and gave the Lakers dependability on close rebounds and putbacks. Outside of acquiring Dwight Howard, it would be impossible in finding someone who can duplicate what Bynum brings.

Trading Bynum now would hurt the Lakers' chances of three-peating, but he's not a dependable long-term investment. Here's the most challenging part of this scenario. Even if the Lakers pulled off a blockbuster trade, they would go through even more chemistry issues this season that are frankly too risky during a championship run. The Lakers may not be playing their best basketball, but from a big-picture perspective, the state of that franchise is in pretty good shape. I wouldn't invest much money on Bynum staying healthy even if he's shown improvement the past two seasons in learning how to manage and play through injuries, but getting rid of him now would mean the Lakers are putting more priority on long-term planning than trying to squeeze out as many championships as this current roster will offer. Even if the Lakers acquire an impact player, it wouldn't be the same situation as when the Lakers acquired Gasol. They simply plugged him into a position the Lakers sorely needed. Trading Bynum would leave both a position of need and require the rest of the team to reshape its identity. Sure, the Lakers would still have Gasol and Lamar Odom as dependable post options, but that wouldn't change the fact that the Lakers would be thinner in their frontline. With the Lakers showing inconsistency in their outside shooting, particularly from three-point range, that would require an adjustment that's frankly too risky to work with during an already up-and-down season.

--Mark Medina

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Photo: Lakers center Andrew Bynum tries to power his way to the basket against Celtics center Shaquille O'Neal in the teams' meeting last month at Staples Center. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times

 
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CARMELO ANTHONY-FOR-ANDREW BYNUM TRADE PROPOSAL
TURNED DOWN BY LAKERS' JIM BUSS, SON OF OWNER
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By Frank Isola for the NY Daily News
http://tinyurl.com/4ee5wr8
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“The Lakers recently turned down a deal for Carmelo Anthony because Jim Buss, the son of team owner Jerry Buss, does not want to part with Andrew Bynum.
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The News has learned that Jim Buss, who holds the title of Lakers VP of Player Personnel, rejected a deal for Anthony, who would gladly sign an extension with the two-time defending champs.
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Buss has strong ties to Bynum, the New Jersey native who Buss drafted right out of high school. It was Buss who refused to trade Bynum to the Nets in a deal for Jason Kidd despite Kobe Bryant pushing for the trade.
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In fact, both Kobe and head coach Phil Jackson are in favor of a deal for Anthony.
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"If that's the case why don't they just go straight to Jerry Buss and tell him to make the deal," said one league executive.
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It's unlikely that Denver would trade Anthony to Los Angeles unless a potential deal included the 7-foot Bynum.
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TOM

Now that Jim Buss has said NO to trading Drew for Melo, time to talk about Pau for Melo...
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TOM

The trade the Lakers should focus on is Andrew Bynum ($13.4M, 11.3ppg, 7.4 rpg, 1.8 bpg & 1,1 apg) for Marc Gasol ($3.5M, 11.7ppg, 7.1rpg, 1.7bpg & 2.7apg). The Lakers could take back extra pieces are necessary to make salaries match w/o a negative hit to the payroll. And M Gasol’s career numbers are a bit better than Bynum’s (Gasol is +2 in ppg, +1.2 in rpg, +1 in assists) and importantly Gasol is healthier.

My thinking is that when you have a chance to get a great player like Carmelo Anthony, you do it. Worry about how the pieces fit later. If we have to make another trade to make the pieces fit right, then we should do it. But to say we don't want a player like Carmelo because he doesn't fit in is pretty ridiculous to me. Carmelo would be the perfect Laker. The guy has mass appeal and he's a great, great basketball player who will win championships on the right team. To me, that team is the Lakers.

Go Lakers!

CARMELO ANTHONY-FOR-ANDREW BYNUM TRADE PROPOSAL
TURNED DOWN BY LAKERS' JIM BUSS, SON OF OWNERPosted by:

LakerTom | February 08, 2011 at 10:35 AM

This post was cool and helps kill all the talk.

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Now that Jim Buss has said NO to trading Drew for Melo, time to talk about Pau for Melo...
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TOM

Posted by: LakerTom | February 08, 2011 at 10:37 AM

This post kills it and makes you sound like a Pau basher.

I like LJP's trade, Bynum for Marc Gasol.


@LJP... If we wouldn’t trade Drew for Melo, why would we even consider trading for Marc Gasol? Marc is a solid NBA starting center but does not provide any of the intimidation and shot blocking on defense that Drew provides. I understand where you’re coming from though as I do like Marc.
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In my personal fantasy basketball dreams, I sometimes wish that Mitch had told Memphis that we would not include Marc in the trade for his brother, sort of like him telling Riley that if he wanted Shaq, he would have to include Wade. Being able to keep Marc as Drew’s backup would have been a perfect solution and would have made the Lakers front court invincible. What sweet fantasies.
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@MVP... We’ll have to agree to disagree on whether trading Drew or Pau makes any sense. In the end, I don’t think either deal will happen. Too much to lose and screw up for Phil’s last stand. Now if we had gotten Wade in the Shaq trade and kept Marc in the Pau trade, our lineup might now be Kobe, Wade, Artest, Pau, and Drew starting with Lamar, Marc, and the Killer B’s off the bench.
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TOM

LT,

After next season the Lakers have a Team Option on Drew and at that same time, Dwight has the Player Option, salaries similar. Not a trade, just a drop and sign. Seems pretty simple? As far as Dwight NOT wanting to come to LA, seriously?

Thanks Magia32,

I've tried to get folks thinking about Bynum for M Gasol w/several posts to no apparent avail. A possible Melo trade gets a lot of attention, but Marc has better career numbers than Andrew. And this deal would give the Lakers a few extra pieces from Memphis to consider at no negative payroll hit.

I see some "Pau for Melo" stuff around here...


Are you kidding me? Bynum for Melo, which I'm not for at all, still holds some fun in a conversation, but Pau for Melo is simply ridiculous. No way! Never!


You guys are funny today.

Song for today....Heard it through the Grapevine

People say believe half of what you see
Son, and none of what you hear

Marvin Gaye
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hajBdDM2qdg

CCR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZe9OtFNt_8

Gladys Knight & the Pips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWvwP72FuVg

MELO for Bynum... BEST DEAL, I've heard in a long time for Denver out there!


Gasol/Bynum
Odom/Nene
Anthony/Kmart
Kobe/Affalo
Fisher/Billups


Nuggets will dominate the Lakers inside with Bynum and Nene, and still have Affalo, JR Smith, Ty Lawson and Billups shooting 3's.


Nuggets will be an instant contender with Bynum.
Lakers might loose to Nuggets. In the playoffs, Nuggets will be hard to beat, especially WHEN BYNUM STARTS GETTING MORE TOUCHES and BECOMES FOCAL POINT OF THE OFFENSE.


Odom can't stop Nene down low, Gasol can't stop Bynum for sure!


This will be a very good deal for the Nuggets. Nuggets should take it.


But hey, Lakers will have TWO SUPERSTARS and still have GASOL/MELO/KOBE sounds like the Miami Heat!


Do we want to be like Miami Heat, or stay focus on beating the Celtics?



@MAGIA32... “I like LJP's trade, Bynum for Marc Gasol.” Hey, I love Marc Gasol and often wish that Mitch had stuck to his guns and refused to include him in the deal to get Pau but the hard reality is that Marc is not the defensive or offensive force that Drew is. Don’t get me wrong, he is an outstanding center who is the power to his brother’s finesse. But he is not Andrew Bynum.
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If the Lakers are not willing to trade Andrew Bynum for Carmelo Anthony, why in the world would they consider trading him for Marc Gasol? Not saying that your post makes you a Bynum basher but you do sound like a fan who does not value Andrew Bynum as much as the Lakers brain trust. As I said many times, the ONLY available player for whom I would be willing to trade Pau Gasol for would be Carmelo Anthony. The term to put next to Andrew Bynum’s name is “unavailable.”
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TOM


No.

DBDH!

LakerTom,

Kobe & Melo are similar in dominating the ball. I wouldn't want to risk the rest of the season trying to see if they can fit on the same team. Besides, from most indications, Melo wants to go to NY. Drew for Marc + extras to make the deal work salary wise leaves the Lakers in a better position and healthier.

@LT: The only part that scares me, from your article, is this one:

"In fact, both Kobe and head coach Phil Jackson are in favor of a deal for Anthony."


Hm, if the Zen Master and The Black Mamba are in for this trade....Then I don't know what can happen...


To be continued...


@MAGIC PHIL... “"In fact, both Kobe and head coach Phil Jackson are in favor of a deal for Anthony."
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What that quote does NOT say is what would Kobe and Phil be willing to give up to get Melo. It does not say that the Lakers would be willing to give up either Drew or Pau or even LO. It is likely a case of the reporter taking comments by Kobe and Phil out of context and inserting them to imply that Kobe and Phil are in favor of trading Drew for Melo, which I seriously doubt.
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TOM

LakerTom:
RE: your comment "...Marc is not the defensive or offensive force that Drew is", Marc has better current season & career numbers.
Andrew Bynum (11.3ppg, 7.4 rpg, 1.8 bpg & 1,1 apg)
Marc Gasol (11.7ppg, 7.1rpg, 1.7bpg & 2.7apg). M Gasol’s career numbers are a bit better than Bynum’s (Gasol is +2 in ppg, +1.2 in rpg, +1 in assists) and importantly Gasol is healthier!

It sounds by the reports from Brez and BT and from the NY Daily News that this Bynum-Melo deal won't happen. Not surprising. Usually when anything gets out involving the Lakers' front office dealings, it never happens

Melo DOminate Player Now!!!

Bumin, never been dominate his future is as uncertain as Ming's and Oden's!!!


Make the Trade, Now!!!!!!!,

Melo DOminate Player Now!!!

Bumin, never been dominate his future is as uncertain as Ming's and Oden's!!!


Make the Trade, Now!!!!!!!,

"LT,

After next season the Lakers have a Team Option on Drew and at that same time, Dwight has the Player Option, salaries similar. Not a trade, just a drop and sign. Seems pretty simple? As far as Dwight NOT wanting to come to LA, seriously?

Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | February 08, 2011 at 10:54 AM "

The Lakers would still have to get below the cap first and Bynum alone coming off the books doesn't get them there. That's why it'd have to be a sign and trade unless they have some crazy plan to trade Pau or Kobe for expiring contracts.

A deal can only die if it had legs to begin with.

The Lakers never saw this proposed deal walk through the front door, but they can sure see it leaving.

Never trade size for anything... unless it's Elden Campbell you're trading away. I'm okay with that.

Besides, while 'Melo is in full beast mode down low, the lack of a true running/transition game within the confines of the structured triangle would be detrimental to his overall game. On paper, a 20 PPG 3-headed monster of Kobe, Pau, and 'Melo looks good. On the hardwood, I just don't see it working. Miami is feasting on the East with its killer combo, but come playoff time... things will change. We cannot try to emulate that model for its short-lived success and unproven track record.

Remember, the Lakers make changes that other teams react to. That is their role. I feel like a 'Melo trade is reactionary and not standard bearing, as the Gasol Heist, er, trade was of 2008.

DBDH!

It sounds by the reports from Brez and BT and from the NY Daily News that this Bynum-Melo deal won't happen. Not surprising. Usually when anything gets out involving the Lakers' front office dealings, it never happens

Posted by: Mark Medina

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Hey-oooooo!

DBDH!

@MVP... We’ll have to agree to disagree on whether trading Drew or Pau makes any sense.

Posted by: LakerTom | February 08, 2011 at 10:47 AM

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Way to kill the discussion, Tom! :)

Actually, it's a discussion that we shouldn't even have. Let's focus on three-peating with our IMPROVED defending championship roster!!

Hey guys lots to talk about obviously and since the Lakers have an off day, we're going to have a chat at 12:30 until about 1:30, at least for me. I will then head out to an event, but I'll leave the chat on

Bay to LA:
M Gasol is a restricted free agent next season. A Trade of Bynum for Marc Gasol plus, say, Mayo & Thabeet makes the deal work salary wise. According to reports, Memphis wants to rid themselves of Mayo and they are unhappy with Thabeet, so including both addresses Memphis’ concerns and is the price the Lakers must pay to get back M Gasol. Thabeet could become Kareem’s next project. If working w/Kareem doesn't improve his skills, the Lakers can let him go after one more year as there is a team option on him for 2012/13.

Rocky,

>>>My thinking is that when you have a chance to get a great player like Carmelo
>>>Anthony, you do it. Worry about how the pieces fit later.

Well, yes and no. If you're a middle of the pack team or a bottom feeder, then that rule definitely applies.

But if you're a team that has won the past two championships in a row, and still has a fighters chance of winning a third, then you don't break up that squad so easily.

Kobe & Melo on the same team? When did the nba add a second ball?

I'm both relieved and nervous to hear that Buss vetoed the potential trade.

Relieved because I think Bynum gives them a better chance at a title this season... assuming he stays healthy.

Nervous because... will he stay healthy?

Lakers struggling on the court with KOBE and GASOL.


NOW, off the court JIM BUSS vs PHIL JACKSON/KOBE are struggling and and on the court BYNUM and KOBE/PHIL will now struggle wanting to SHip his a$$$ again.


We're back to the Laker circus. WITH a team of best ever supposedly with BYNUM/GASOL/ODOM/ARETST/BRYANT and 3 straight trips to the Finals. The funny thing is Shaq is not even here to dismantle the team's chemistry, the team's play! Questions is, was it really Shaq or was it Kobe?


Who's fault is this? If the Lakers are dominating this won't be happen.

>>>Now that Jim Buss has said NO to trading Drew for Melo, time to talk about
>>>Pau for Melo

If they're unwilling to trade Bynum, then they're DEFINITELY unwilling to trade Pau. Pau has more value than Bynum. To the Lakers or any other team. He has shown a propensity for staying healthy, which Socks has yet to display.

OTOH, Pau makes more, so it would be easier to make a deal...

Gasol+Ebanks+Ratliff+Blake for Carmelo+Nene+Anthony Carter works.

Then you're looking at this:

C: Bynum, Nene, Smith
PF: Odom, Nene, Caracter
SF: Carmelo, Artest, Walton
SG: Kobe, Shannon Brown
PG: Fisher, Anthony Carter

But it ain't going to happen. Bynum has something Gasol doesn't that Denver is looking for... he's young.

lmao yall not even lakers fans.... Lmao sad yall probally heat fans and knicks fans ... Yall dont want this to happen cuz yall know lakers will be unstoppable.... MITCH MAKE THAT MOVE..

More RE: Trading Bynum for M Gasol. The Lakers could grab Mayo in a trade for M Gasol for no extra payroll hit. Mayo is underestimated with lots of potential with some obvious problem areas. I’d risk that Kobe's in his twilight years could show Mayo the ropes. Mayo can hit shots from anywhere. If Kobe and the Lakers can add some motivation (immediate ring potential) and drive and teach Mayo some D, it’s a very inexpensive accusation. And if OJ can’t fit after another year, the Lakers might trade him or withdraw the qualifying offer for 2012/13 and let him go.

Time and time again, Lakers Coach Phil Jackson, opposing coaches and the players themselves all agree that one of the Lakers' distinguishable skillsets involves the fact that they have two seven-footers in Bynum and Pau Gasol. "That's not to take anything away from Bryant. He's a major element why the Lakers' frontline flourishes and why opposing defenses are mostly at a lose-lose situation when it comes to what priority they should place on defense. But one only has to look at the 2010 NBA playoffs to know how Bynum's presence alone completely altered the landscape of the game. Even while playing limited minutes with a meniscus tear in his right knee, Bynum' presence alone disrupted passing lanes, sharpened the defensive rotations, intimidated opposing players from driving the lane and gave the Lakers dependability on close rebounds and putbacks. Outside of acquiring Dwight Howard, it would be impossible in finding someone who can duplicate what Bynum brings."
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Fact.

Great post. Dealing Drew severely weakens the lakers biggest strength. Their size. The only teams that have a shot at beating LA has to match its overall size. Pau at the PF makes the Lakers formidable. At Center, and well guys like Perkins, Howard, and Chandler will push him around.

He struggled with Zman recently and he's old!

Bynum stays until the time comes when Howard forces a deal or wants to come to LA. Jim is a smart guy. He learned that you dominate with bigmen. It's a big man's game and LA has the two best bigmen in basketball (one in their prime, and the other developing).

Keep in mind Drew did have a 42 point game last year... When he's got his legs under him, he will be a beast. Especially defensively.

Melo only brings offensive punch. Rebounding and defense wins titles.

Kobe & Melo on the same team? When did the nba add a second ball?

Posted by: Jeffrey Story

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Lance Armstrong just called.

DBDH!

>>>Never trade size for anything.

So you're saying we should have kept Kwame Brown? Mike T, is that you?

KobeMVP888,

A two legged 7' Marc Gasol as a replacement for A Bynum is not too shabby and would be in keeping with your "distinguishable skillsets" criteria.

Then it's true, the Lakers have absolutely no tradable pieces.

For anyone worried about Kobe and Melo fitting...you need to look no further than the Olympics. Those two played outstanding together. I would go as far as to say they were the best combo when paired together. I'm SURE Mitch K. knows that.

A Stupid Stupid idea, I'm out.

I love AB, but he is injury prone. I know the last two injuries were accidents, but most players don't have that many accidents. Any basketball player and coach knows that you never give up talent for a piece that fits. In other words, if you can get Melo without gutting the team, you get him.

LTLF & Greg Oden:

"Never trade size for anything."

Of course that means size that is healthy, duh! And old Hands of Stone netted us the Spaniard.

You guys are hilarious! I can't believe Greg Oden actually reads this blog!

DBDH! (Mike T.)

If you guys wanna talk trade (seriously, that is) we should find a way to land Stephen Curry someway, somehow. The kid is not gonna stay in GS, that's for sure. PG is where we have some problems. 3pt shots, another problem we have. The kid would solve both problems and, even better, this is a "doable" deal, not those fantasy ones.

"Bay to LA:
M Gasol is a restricted free agent next season. A Trade of Bynum for Marc Gasol plus, say, Mayo & Thabeet makes the deal work salary wise. According to reports, Memphis wants to rid themselves of Mayo and they are unhappy with Thabeet, so including both addresses Memphis’ concerns and is the price the Lakers must pay to get back M Gasol. Thabeet could become Kareem’s next project. If working w/Kareem doesn't improve his skills, the Lakers can let him go after one more year as there is a team option on him for 2012/13.

Posted by: LJP | February 08, 2011 at 11:20 AM "

If they could get all of that for Bynum, it's an intriguing idea, but it's only a consideration because I don't trust Bynum's ability to stay healthy. Marc is due for a huge pay increase and I'm not sure if the Lakers could swing that long term since keeping all three players could increase the payroll significantly.

I had just been commenting on Derek Jeter's idea to basically let Bynum walk and sign Dwight in his place. They're over the cap with who they already have locked in for 2012 so they can't sign Howard as a free agent. They would have to make a trade for him.


@LTLF... “If they're unwilling to trade Bynum, then they're DEFINITELY unwilling to trade Pau. Pau has more value than Bynum. To the Lakers or any other team. He has shown a propensity for staying healthy, which Socks has yet to display.”
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Not necessarily. The key to a trade is not necessarily what you give up but often the team you have left after the trade. Kobe, Fish, Melo, LO, and Drew would be a stronger lineup than Kobe, Fish, Melo, LO, and Pau when it comes to dealing with Boston’s front court in the NBA Finals. Drew is also 6 years younger than Pau, which potentially extends the Lakers championship window. If Pau plays well and handles KG this Thursday, then it will be unlikely that the Lakers will make a trade.
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TOM

Melo takes away too much from Kobe? Please MM. Just look at how well Miami's playing with Wade and Lebron. Bynum has NEVER came through in a big game. Bynum has NEVER outplayed Brook Lopez, Dwight Howard in his entire career, especially watching Lopez lit him up for 34 points, that along told me dude has no fire when he faces superior competition.

Melo will also give the Lakers another go-to guy in the clutch, he will be the perfect matchup againt Pierce or Lebron should the Lakers make it to the Finals.

Bynum already having knee issues again right now, if the Lakers can get rid of a guy that can't run for Melo, are you kidding me???

KobeMVP888,

A two legged 7' Marc Gasol as a replacement for A Bynum is not too shabby and would be in keeping with your "distinguishable skillsets" criteria.

Posted by: LJP | February 08, 2011 at 11:40 AM
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MY "distinguishable skill sets" criteria? I don't believe I ever phrased it quite that way, but okay. MG's all right. If we had 'Melo, he'd fit nicely with the Black Swan, but that ain't happening.

LJP

I see what you're talking about. I meant to put that paragraph in quotes. That came from MM's article.

Look, I don't know if this trade WILL happen, but Melo and Kobe have already proven they can play great together. ANYONE REMEMBER THE OLYMPICS?

Man, you guys are bored.

No sense for any kind of trade right now. No team in the league is dominating us. With the exception of the Spurs, six games ahead, the Lakers are right at the top with the rest of the league. Playoffs start in two and half months.

Relax...people... They'll turn it up when it counts. It's their formula with Phil in case you haven't followed the team the last decade. In fact Time's writers should stop writing about the Lakers and just post game scores until the end of the season. But they won't cuz the of the belief that the only reason people read the Times is when the words Killed, Lakers and Illegal are in headlines.

Have you guys even thought about how Melo would play in the triangle? Melo isn't a "high IQ" type basketball player. He is very very good scorer, but that is about it. Not sure if you noticed, but we don't need a really good scorer. Also, if you bring in Melo, you can pretty much kiss the $5 mil/year you pay for Artest goodbye. Artest might not function for the Lakers until the trade deadline has passed this year, because he will be worried about somebody coming and taking his spot.

I wouldn't make any trades, but if I did have to trade somebody, Bynum would be the one to go. But only for another center or a really good point guard.

Thursday's game is huge for, perhaps, a couple reasons?!

hectorartm, perhaps we should look farther. Karl Malone, Shaquille O'Neal & Gary Payton won Gold on the 1996 US Olympic team but could not win an NBA Championship together, so past Olympic Team accomplishments might not be the best measure of if players can work together successfully in the NBA.

http://tinyurl.com/4z2o63f

Watch and learn...this is why Mitch wants Melo.

Nuff trade talk

I didn't watch the last two Lakers games. I hear Gasol has been aggressive is this true? If he has, cool. But what are the chances of him going back to WNBA style on Thursday? The game is a *big* game, it is on national tv, it is against a physical player/team.
These are all things that history has shown, makes Gasol have pucker factor

Another LA Times blog has an idea floated of Pau Gasol for Carmelo Anthony. This deal makes a lot of sense:

Bryant/Anthony/Odom vs. James/Wade/Bosh Big Three War
Bynum is the pet of the Buss Family
Although Gasol has helped the Lakers win two titles, he's worn out his welcome
The NBA marketing machine would love it

Trade Andrew?

If we'd lost last night that would be a 400 post thread if left up long enough.

There won't be a major trade, the offense is starting to click with Pau on the move and Andrew with more space to operate.

Andrew's health will be an issue until it isn't. The Laker org has bet a ton on those knees. Hope they hold up.

LJP - Understand, but you do remember that Karl got hurt right?

"LMAO! Sonny, you're a funny guy. You never miss an opportunity to lay out your shtick. Kobe's adultery is long forgiven by his wife and the media..."

Posted by: JohnnyV | February 08, 2011 at 06:49 AM

If the media has given its blessing, then that’s righteous.
They are the moral compass for sure.
As for his wife...I’m sure she’s not only totally forgiven him,
but has forgotten about it altogether.
All is forgiven and it never happened.
Right girls?

"He's trying to win a championship, not Prom King. Popularity comes and goes, but greatness is forever"

Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | February 08, 2011 at 07:15 AM

Admittedly, how a person achieves ‘forever’ ‘greatness’ on this planet
bouncing a rubber ball around and throwing it through a hoop
is a real stumper to me, but that’s another story
(oh, you must mean a forever great 'basketball player',
but not necessarily a decent human being. I got it)...

(There’s entirely too much red meat thrown out here
for the amount of time I have to devour and spit it out.
I’m off to Burma for a few days again later this morning (2am Wed here)...

But, suffice to say,
there may be thousands of 13 and 14 year-old boys and girls
wearing #24 Jerseys out there,
who don’t have a clue about their Prom King’s past...
and it’s possible, just possible,
that a few of them might appreciate the enlightenment.
They are certainly entitled to it.

It’s also possible that some of their views on the whole matter
won’t be as cavalier, dismissive, or even downright shameless
as the views held by so many of their parents and grandparents.
They are also entitled to their own views, by the way.

Yes, the Saint is a basketball player
and not your daughters future boyfriend, you hope, I hope.
And please, don't try to lecture me on forgiveness.
You don’t have a clue...trust me.
Contrary to apparent popular belief here, ignorance is not bliss,
and can never be a source for forgiveness.

In any event,
Do you realize that you probably could have won championships without Kobe? Had you unloaded the Saint, a vacuum would have immediately emerged,
and another star would surely have filled it up.
I mean...what’s this stuff I keep hearing?
You are the Lakers aren’t you?

It’s clear to me that you have no idea how many fans you lost
because you made the Saint your saint.
Hey...I think L.A. fans are great fans!
I’m truly sorry that you ended up with such a chump,
but even more sorry that so many of you embraced him as your God.

Now, let the worship service begin...sorry though,
I’ll have to take a rain-check.

Go Kings!
Go SF Giants!
Go Niners!
Go ______ (You must have been referring to the L.A. NFL football team)

Come to think of it...keep Andrew...and ship Kobe instead!
Seriously, think about it.

Sonnybelfast

Another factor in any potential trade situation is the fact that any newcomers to the Lakers would have to quickly acclimate to Phil's Triangle. Thee are only thirty games left and very little practice time in between those games. A major move would almost mean that the Laker front office is conceding this season and building for the future. I can't see that happening.

Phil has never been known to trust players that haven't had a full training camp with him. Pau was the rare exception who fit in seamlessly upon his arrival.

If.....Theo Ratliff had been healthy all year and shown himself to be a capable backup with something left in the tank, Drew for Melo would make more sense to me. Carmelo is a rare talent, to be sure. The chance to acquire him has to be looked at long and hard. If he takes his talents to another Western Conference team, that would create a headache down the road for The Show. Decisions, decisions!!

I say if it is possible to trade bynum for carmelo they should do it without hesitation. Sure if they don't three peat everyone will be upset but what is this team gonna look like when kobe finally retires and bynum is the focal point, assuming he's HEALTHY. Then think about carmelo in kobe spot with gasol and odom. They can find some length anywhere that can block shots and shoot hook shots but a carmelo anthony. I dont see anything close to him in the college ranks hitting the nba soon.

http://tinyurl.com/4z2o63f

Again, reason why Mitch wants Carmelo. The Celtics have had trouble stopping him. Can you imagine him and Kobe at the same time? Celtics would have no chance.

http://tinyurl.com/4z2o63f

Again, reason why Mitch wants Carmelo. The Celtics have had trouble stopping him. Can you imagine him and Kobe at the same time? Celtics would have no chance.

I say if it is possible to trade bynum for carmelo they should do it without hesitation. Sure if they don't three peat everyone will be upset but what is this team gonna look like when kobe finally retires and bynum is the focal point, assuming he's HEALTHY. Then think about carmelo in kobe spot with gasol and odom. They can find some length anywhere that can block shots and shoot hook shots but a carmelo anthony. I dont see anything close to him in the college ranks hitting the nba soon.

Thursday's game is huge for, perhaps, a couple reasons?!

Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | February 08, 2011 at 11:57 AM
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I disagree. These 2 teams know each other as well as any two teams in the NBA. It's not like it's 2008 all over again where the Chowds have certain advantages over us. They will be without both O'Neals and Erden, too (I think) and even Pierce's back up, Marquis Daniels is out. If they beat us in their house because they play harder or shoot better, so be it. They will be fired up because Ray Allen is going to pass Reggie Miller as the greatest three point shooter ever on Thursday.

Personally, I saw enough in the second quarter of our loss to them to tell me that we can beat them in the playoffs. What's important is that the Lakers have a successful road trip. Where the wins and losses come from isn't as important as maintaining a good record IMO.

KobeMVP888 -- I don't disagree.

But how much has Bynum done that in the playoffs?

What indications if any has he given he'll be a full-time contributor in the 2011 playoffs?

I've been one to defend Socks for all the reasons you quoted. But you simply don't find a player of Melo's caliber every day. They will have a chance to acquire a bona fide superstar in exchange for a highly skilled and valuable but oft-injured player who's yet to have a productive playoff season. The upside of that trade I think makes up for what LA would lose.

You simply don't say no to this trade. If you could get Nene to replace Socks' size, even better.

Peace - I agree.

http://tinyurl.com/4z2o63f

Mayo is underestimated with lots of potential with some obvious problem areas. I’d risk that Kobe's in his twilight years could show Mayo the ropes. Mayo can hit shots from anywhere.

Posted by: LJP | February 08, 2011 at 11:33 AM

@LJP- I admire your enthusiasm and your out of the box thinking.

Unfortunately I do not see anything particularly special in OJ Mayo, than I've seen in any other young 2 guard. Rudy Gay has and will be the better player of the two barring unforeseen injuries/circumstances


That suspension, his altercation w/Tony Allen, raises red flags for me as far his character is concerned.

He has the talent no question. Been 3 years and he's coming off the bench, now maybe, due to Z-Bo and Gay get the lions share of touches, I'll concede, maybe hindering his confidence.

Just like in Football, Hockey, Basketball, you really see true development, usually in the third year after experiencing mistakes in the first year and learning new tricks in the 2nd year, the 3rd year gives an indication where a player is at fundamentally and I haven't seen anything but flashes from OJ.

The more I think about this, the more of a no-brainer it becomes. We could find a guy like a Brendan Haywood/Kurt Thomas type that would fill in just fine as our back up and as a spot defensive player.

We can't pass up a chance to get a player as great as Carmelo Anthony. The Bulls wons rings with guys like Bill Wennington and Will Perdue. We lock up Pierce and Ray Allen, and the Celtics have nothing. While the Lakers have Kobe, Pau, Carmelo, and Lamar.

Plus, the C's have no answer for Carmelo. They would have to double team him, leaving open opportunities for the likes of Kobe and Gasol. I mean c'mon. Pau, Lamar, and Carmelo crashing the boards isn't exactly all that weak either. I'm not convinced that Shaq and Jermaine O'neal have the ability to play championship minutes at this point in their careers either.

If this can happen, I believe that this is something the Lakers have to do. It will improve the team.

Go Lakers!

Rocky - right, that's the point. The C's don't have anyone to match up with Melo and I think they're going to be the Eastern champions. This also matches them better with the Heat.

http://tinyurl.com/4z2o63f
WATCH THE ABOVE AND SEE WHAT I MEAN.

Here we go again! Of course the Lakers are going to deny they are interested in trading the oft injured Bynum for Melo, but that swap on his face would be a tremendous upgrade for now and the future. The miles on Kobe extending with this comment is of obvious concern beyond this season and melo would address that and provide the Lakers with a lethal foursome of Kobe, Melo, LO, and Pau Gasoft. Because I hate the Lakers so darn much I'm not for it, I rather them stay pat, not even reach the final and cry all the way into the post Phil error!!

Didn't Malone & Kobe have issues too -- something about Karl making a pass at Kobe's wife -- that had nothing to do w/Karl's injury but probably affected their team play? An Olympic Gold does not necessarily mean guys can form a successful NBA team.

MM.. Maybe u should rephrase the thread..

What trading andrew bynum would do to lakertom??

LJP - I understand what you're saying, but Malon was injured. I don't think the Lakers loose that championship if he wasn't.

Nene & Anthony

for

Bynum & Artest

and probably a few additional pieces to even things out, like that Al Harrington contract.

I'd probably prefer Bynum to stay, as he can play defense, but that would be a pretty exciting move for LA.

When you have a chance to get a top-5 talent in this league you do it, especially when you could get him without giving up Odom. A starting 5 of Fish, Kobe, Melo, Odom, and Pau wouldn't be as good defensively but would be downright scary on the offensive end. Jerry needs to get off the poker tables and put his son in his place. Bynum showed alot of heart by playing hurt last year but the fact of the matter is hes been nothing but a complimentary player in the playoffs the last couple years. I'd love to get Birdman as a backup in the trade also, maybe give them Luke and a couple young players like Ebanks/Caracter and a draft pick.

Nene & Anthony

for

Bynum & Artest

and probably a few additional pieces to even things out, like that Al Harrington contract.

I'd probably prefer Bynum to stay, as he can play defense, but that would be a pretty exciting move for LA.

@ Sonny,

"He's trying to win a championship, not Prom King. Popularity comes and goes, but greatness is forever"

Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | February 08, 2011 at 07:15 AM

Admittedly, how a person achieves ‘forever’ ‘greatness’ on this planet
bouncing a rubber ball around and throwing it through a hoop
is a real stumper to me, but that’s another story
(oh, you must mean a forever great 'basketball player',
but not necessarily a decent human being. I got it)...

***

We are on a basketball blog, are we not? I'm glad it took you all of 5 hours to understand my point. Never did I opine the greatness of "The Saint" as a man, a husband, a father, or a human being.

Forgiveness? Let's not trade stories, Sonny. We all have had to deal with something, SOMETHING, that shakes the foundation of our beliefs or faith. That's part of the journey, bro. The real test is not so much about enduring that rite, but surviving it intact, and building on what we have been given.

Lastly, you're right. Ignorance is not bliss. Apparently arrogance is.

Go Lakers!
Go Dodgers!
Go ________!
Go away!


DBDH!

Yet again, we have another Hollywood drama brewing in advance of another nationally televised game - even better a back-to-back nationally televised Laker extravaganza with the top three NBA frnachises.

This must be a slow NBA week because both TNT and ESPN need stories to drive their conversations, analysis and chat fest to get us tid bit starved fans crazy.

Seriously everyone - look at when all this crazy talk usually hits the wires - Christmas game, greenie game, SAS game and now breenie game #2 and NYK game the next day. Enough already - if we were playing Detroit and Minny - we wouldn't be hearing these stories - the focus would be on how hot it is in Miami (double pun intended).

Let's not succumb to the media hype - this is all a TNT and BSPN media spin doctors delight!!!

Cheers - PLG

hectorartm,

I hear you man. This would be Paul Pierce's worst nightmare, having to deal with both Carmelo and Artest.

Another thing is Kobe. Kobe can't get his own shot like he used to, especially against Ray Allen and the C's. Having Carmelo would give us that guy to give the ball to for an easy bucket. The C's would have no choice but to double team him, and who will they leave open? Kobe, Pau, Lamar, and Fisher. It would be unstoppable, even for the Celtics.

Defensively, the C's don't rely on Perkins for scoring. Pau can handle that. And Lamar will accept the challenge against KG. Big Baby will be a problem. But that's what Caracter is for. Our challenge will be rebounding, stopping Rondo's penetrate and kick game, keeping a man stuck to Ray Allen, and stopping Pierce. A Laker team without Bynum and with Carmelo can accomplish that.

Go Lakers!

Just to address M. Gasol for Bynum. You can't really compare their numbers without considering the needs their individual team have.

Marc averages 33 minutes and 8.5 shot attempts and he does not play with Kobe and Pau. Bynum averages 27 minutes and 7.5 shots. His defensive presence is more important.

If you're a Laker fan, it's awfully disappointing that people are so easy to give up on Bynum. I think his effort is there and his injuries is not his fault. I'm optimistic.

Thanks LT.

Yes, my big shot Rob story was so much fun. Then my friend started chatting him up a little later and he doesn't even remember the conversation (too drunk) - UGH - if only I knew more about college bball to have participated in that one. Kicking myself now. Oh well.

all of you saying not to trade andrew for melo will be crying when his knee starts acting up again or worse he blows it out again. You're trading someone who may never reach his potential for a perennial all-star. Just think about all those outside shots that will be available when teams double up kobe or pau. Melo will kill from distance and also take people to the rack. It's a no-brainer. Mitch can find someone tough to fill the back-up center role in another deal.

Wow, this rumor is getting a lot of play. Is it possible that the GM's are reading the blog and getting their inspiration from it? From what I recall, LakerTom was the first to propose trading for 'Melo (and I floated the idea of Ron Ron for either Captain Jack or Gerald Wallace last week... yikes!)

Anyways, I always try looking at rumored trades from both GM's point of views. The fact is, there are three things the Nuggs are looking for in return for 'Melo: young talent, draft picks and expiring contracts. Unfortunately, that probably removes the players that the Lakers would most want to give up, starting with Ron Ron (who has 3-yrs/$22-mill left on his deal and happens to be the wrong-side of 30).

It makes sense - if the rumor is true - that they'd target 'Drew. He's young. He's talented. He's also a big-man they could build around, fit pieces around. He has an attractive contract with a team-option on the second remaining year.

GM's are not stupid. Uijiri (& owner Kroenke) know they have a huge asset, as long as 'Melo green-lights L.A. as a destination. They know they hold the ace-card in the deal, and although the clock is clicking they can still dictate the terms.

I could envision 'Melo forming the new core after our aging vets start transitioning into their last years. 'Melo at 26 alongside 'Drew at 23, that would be the core-group in the latter half of the decade - but of course, they will produce all along. Trading for 'Melo would in my mind next-to clinch the next two titles - he is that good. He cold compliment Kobe that much.

But, 'Melo for Drew? Ugh... This would be as hard a trade to make as any proposed Laker trade I can remember. I can understand the reluctance of the Nuggs to take back either Ron Ron or 30-yr old Pau with a few remaining years. I just don't know what I'd do.

THIS is why GM's make the big-bucks they do! Barring injuries, Drew is poised to become the dominant force in the middle for this decade. There is no talent *not even close* to his mix of size, skills & touch in the low-post. 'Melo though is the most lethal scorer in the association not named Kobe.

Dammmnnnn..... Mitch has got a tough call there!


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!

KobeMVP888 -- I don't disagree.

But how much has Bynum done that in the playoffs?

What indications if any has he given he'll be a full-time contributor in the 2011 playoffs?

I've been one to defend Socks for all the reasons you quoted. But you simply don't find a player of Melo's caliber every day. They will have a chance to acquire a bona fide superstar in exchange for a highly skilled and valuable but oft-injured player who's yet to have a productive playoff season. The upside of that trade I think makes up for what LA would lose.

You simply don't say no to this trade. If you could get Nene to replace Socks' size, even better.

Posted by: Peace | February 08, 2011 at 12:09 PM
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Peace

I forgot to put quotes around that paragraph because I just cut and pasted it from MM's article.

1) Bynum has done enough in the playoffs, more than the eye can see. His presence in the lane cannot be appreciated by us because we're not down there among those trees. Without Bynum, we don't win the last two championships. Period.

2) He appears to be getting stronger and healthier. There are no guarantees that anyone will be a "full time contributor" in the playoffs, but if he is we will be VERY difficult to beat in a 7 game series. I don't think you can state to any probability that just because he wasn't 100% the last 2 playoffs, that he won't be 100% this time around.

3) I don't think that this trade rumor is true. If it is, then are you willing to trade the present for the future? We would have ZERO shot at a three-peat with a straight up deal. There are too many chemistry issues and the entire make up of the team WOULD change. We're very spoiled, so our perspective of championships is different than fans who root for other teams. In truth, championships are very tough to win and they should be treasured. Right now, we have a team that is championship tested and championship proven and that isn't too old yet. My feeling is that you compete for the championship when you can because there is no telling what lies in the future. With the likelihood of a Heat dynasty lying ahead, and with OKC looming in the West, I think you stand pat and take a shot at the three-peat.

HAVING SAID THAT, I completely understand your thinking or anyone who thinks that this is a deal the Lakers can't pass up if it's offered.

Dammmnnnn..... Mitch has got a tough call there!

Posted by: CyberCosmiX | February 08, 2011 at 12:52 PM

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CCX

Seriously. Do you really think Kupchak will seriously get this offer? I just think this rumor is out there so the Knicks up the ante.

Well, Jim, you just blew it IF this is all true!

Bynum is a slug - didn't like the drafting of him, & hate them not mioving him or Melo!

The guy is a baby; big yes, but a big baby! he's missed, what 120 games or so in 3 years ?! & he stands flat footed & gets burned for boards more often than not! & he blows so many hoops becaue rather than be aggressive & slam it, he is trying to finesse it in !

And when he put soccer before the team last off season, that was the final straw, or should have been!

And as I have also said, this team is aging & Kbe is on the bnackside of his briilinat career - still great, but not what he once was & this team needs a guy that can fill it up from the outside!

Pau is still one of the better Centers in the NBA & he ends his career here & we make a hard push for Dwight when his contract is up, if not in a trade before then.

Medina is a hack!

888: "Bynum has done enough in the playoffs, more than the eye can see. His presence in the lane cannot be appreciated by us because we're not down there among those trees. Without Bynum, we don't win the last two championships. Period."

LakerTom: "I sometimes wish that Mitch had told Memphis that we would not include Marc in the trade for his brother, sort of like him telling Riley that if he wanted Shaq, he would have to include Wade. Being able to keep Marc as Drew’s backup would have been a perfect solution and would have made the Lakers front court invincible."

- - -

Great comments like this reminds me what I love about this blog!

I always find myself looking back and thinking how Mitch blundered the Shaq trade. L.O. is great and he managed to make Caron become Kwame become Pau, but still... D-Wade in purple and gold? We'd be winning our 20th title this season!


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Hacksaw is reporting on 1090 that the trade "talks" opened at noon - I dunno, we'll see, but again, in a nano-second i would move Sluggo for Melo!

I'm both relieved and nervous to hear that Buss vetoed the potential trade.
Relieved because I think Bynum gives them a better chance at a title this season... assuming he stays healthy.
Nervous because... will he stay healthy?

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | February 08, 2011 at 11:24 AM
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My feelings exactly!

If Pau plays well and handles KG this Thursday, then it will be unlikely that the Lakers will make a trade.
.........................................................
TOM
Posted by: LakerTom | February 08, 2011 at 11:50 AM
----------------------------
LT,

I've heard of D-Leaguers being signed to 10 day contracts, but now you're giving Pau a 1 game contract. Wow....pretty extreme.

LJP,

What skill set does Marc Gasol have that excites you?

Potential Hall of Famer

vs

Potential Sam Bowie!


Tough Call there.


I think I choose Hall of Famer!

Mitch give them everything they want,
don't be a Moron, do the trade Now,

BandWagon!!!

888: "Do you really think Kupchak will seriously get this offer? I just think this rumor is out there so the Knicks up the ante."
-
Yeah, you are probably right. Mitch has evolved into about as tight-lipped a GM as there is and I seriously doubt that rumor came out of Denver - unless, like you say, it was thrown out there in order to get the Knicks antennas up. If it was serious then I think they wouldn't have released it.

They just finished going down this route before with the Nets, losing the leverage that having them in the mix would give them. I'm sure they wouldn't be floating out another rumor that could end up getting squelched in public unless it was just that - a rumor.

So yeah, I agree.

I just don't see the Lakers breaking up their core for someone else though, maybe Ron Ron but no one else if it's not for 'Melo.

What do you think, Ron Ron for either Stephen Jackson or Gerald Wallace? Love me some Ron Ron, but I think I might bite on either one...


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!

ESPN:

The Lakers and the Denver Nuggets have had preliminary discussions about a blockbuster trade that would send Carmelo Anthony to Los Angeles, according to league sources. The Lakers' package would be built around Andrew Bynum.

Talks are in the preliminary stages, but it appears that another option besides the New York Knicks has materialized for the Nuggets.

"There have been discussions between the two teams," one of the sources said. "The Lakers are definitely an option."

Of course, Anthony, who can opt out of his contract after this season, would likely have to agree to sign a three-year, $65 million extension with the Lakers for them to part with Bynum. But Los Angeles is believed to be a city Anthony would be amenable to playing in, as he and his wife, La La Vasquez, bought a home there last summer. Two people close to Anthony said the Nuggets superstar would sign off on a deal that would make him a Laker.

The Nuggets have no interest in Lakers forward Ron Artest and sources said they may not insist on getting Lamar Odom either. A straight-up trade of Anthony for Bynum meets the financial requirements of the collective bargaining agreement, but more players could be involved since Denver would look to shed as much salary as possible.

The Lakers first contacted the Charlotte Bobcats last week, looking to deal Artest for either Stephen Jackson or Gerald Wallace, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher. The Bobcats were initially intrigued because owner Michael Jordan has long appreciated Artest's toughness, but talks ended during the weekend after the Bobcats learned Artest was not excited about playing in Charlotte.


The Nuggets are also engaged in talks with New York about a three-way trade involving the Minnesota Timberwolves. Initial discussions centered around Denver getting Wilson Chandler, with Minnesota sending Corey Brewer and a first-round pick to Denver as well. But Denver wants more than that and has its eye on young Knicks assets Danilo Gallinari and Landry Fields, along with Chandler.

Minnesota, which would receive Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry in the trade, also wants more in return if it is to send a first-round pick to Denver.

In a sign that the Denver-New York talks have heated up, Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan has had direct negotiations with Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke, according to the New York Daily News.


One stumbling block to a Nuggets-Knicks deal, however, is the health of Chandler. The Daily News reported Tuesday that he is experiencing discomfort in his surgically repaired left ankle.

With the Feb. 24 trade deadline approaching, the Nuggets are weighing every possible option, including holding on to Anthony for the remainder of the season while hoping the owners can negotiate the right to put a franchise tag on players in the new collective bargaining agreement. Under that scenario, the Nuggets would be able to "franchise" Anthony and keep him in Denver.

The likeliest outcome, however, remains that Denver will trade Anthony before Feb. 24.


It is believed that the Lakers have not yet made an offer for Anthony but that the two clubs have merely had discussions.

Los Angeles has long viewed Bynum as a building block and potential star, but a series of knee injuries throughout his six-year career has frustrated the Lakers to the point that one source said the club would consider moving him. Bynum missed the first 24 games of this season while recovering from offseason knee surgery and also missed a game last week with a bruised knee.

Pau Gasol starts at center in Bynum's absence, with Odom moving to power forward, and the Lakers' record of 18-7 without Bynum this season is better than their record with him (18-9).

The Lakers' front office is not in full agreement on dealing Bynum, sources told Bucher. Jim Buss, son of owner Jerry, was in charge of the franchise when Bynum was drafted with the 10th pick in 2005 and has consistently resisted any attempts to move him, including a deal for free-agent-to-be Chris Bosh last season.

Lakers coach Phil Jackson, another source said, would like to see how his team performs in a rematch against the Celtics Thursday and in the remaining five games on its current seven-game road trip before deciding to make such a dramatic move.

The Lakers' motivation to upgrade their roster largely stems from the struggles of Artest this season. He was considered an important component last season in defending premier small forwards such as Kevin Durant and Paul Pierce, and the Lakers may see either the Celtics' Pierce or the Heat's LeBron James in the Finals if they were to get that far.

But Jackson has not played Artest down the stretch in a number of games this season because he has been ineffective both offensively and defensively.

The Nuggets like Bynum's immense upside and believe that, at 23 years old, he can overcome his health issues. But they understand it would be a risk, and are not entirely certain they would trade for him, one source said.

Acquiring Bynum is not a huge financial risk for Denver, though, considering his great potential. Bynum has two years and $31 million left on his contract, but the final year is a team option for $16.5 million. If Bynum experiences another injury next season, the Nuggets could decide not to pick up the option and thus be on the hook for just the $15.1 million he's due next season.

Bynum is averaging 11.3 points and 7.4 rebounds per game in 27 games this season. In five full seasons with Los Angeles, Bynum has averaged only 56 games per season because of injuries.

Anthony is coming off a 50-point, 11-rebound outing Monday, but the Nuggets lost to the Rockets.

Chris Broussard covers the NBA for ESPN The Magazine.

ESPN:

The Lakers and the Denver Nuggets have had preliminary discussions about a blockbuster trade that would send Carmelo Anthony to Los Angeles, according to league sources. The Lakers' package would be built around Andrew Bynum.

Talks are in the preliminary stages, but it appears that another option besides the New York Knicks has materialized for the Nuggets.

"There have been discussions between the two teams," one of the sources said. "The Lakers are definitely an option."

Of course, Anthony, who can opt out of his contract after this season, would likely have to agree to sign a three-year, $65 million extension with the Lakers for them to part with Bynum. But Los Angeles is believed to be a city Anthony would be amenable to playing in, as he and his wife, La La Vasquez, bought a home there last summer. Two people close to Anthony said the Nuggets superstar would sign off on a deal that would make him a Laker.

The Nuggets have no interest in Lakers forward Ron Artest and sources said they may not insist on getting Lamar Odom either. A straight-up trade of Anthony for Bynum meets the financial requirements of the collective bargaining agreement, but more players could be involved since Denver would look to shed as much salary as possible.

The Lakers first contacted the Charlotte Bobcats last week, looking to deal Artest for either Stephen Jackson or Gerald Wallace, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher. The Bobcats were initially intrigued because owner Michael Jordan has long appreciated Artest's toughness, but talks ended during the weekend after the Bobcats learned Artest was not excited about playing in Charlotte.


The Nuggets are also engaged in talks with New York about a three-way trade involving the Minnesota Timberwolves. Initial discussions centered around Denver getting Wilson Chandler, with Minnesota sending Corey Brewer and a first-round pick to Denver as well. But Denver wants more than that and has its eye on young Knicks assets Danilo Gallinari and Landry Fields, along with Chandler.

Minnesota, which would receive Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry in the trade, also wants more in return if it is to send a first-round pick to Denver.

In a sign that the Denver-New York talks have heated up, Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan has had direct negotiations with Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke, according to the New York Daily News.


One stumbling block to a Nuggets-Knicks deal, however, is the health of Chandler. The Daily News reported Tuesday that he is experiencing discomfort in his surgically repaired left ankle.

With the Feb. 24 trade deadline approaching, the Nuggets are weighing every possible option, including holding on to Anthony for the remainder of the season while hoping the owners can negotiate the right to put a franchise tag on players in the new collective bargaining agreement. Under that scenario, the Nuggets would be able to "franchise" Anthony and keep him in Denver.

The likeliest outcome, however, remains that Denver will trade Anthony before Feb. 24.


It is believed that the Lakers have not yet made an offer for Anthony but that the two clubs have merely had discussions.

Los Angeles has long viewed Bynum as a building block and potential star, but a series of knee injuries throughout his six-year career has frustrated the Lakers to the point that one source said the club would consider moving him. Bynum missed the first 24 games of this season while recovering from offseason knee surgery and also missed a game last week with a bruised knee.

Pau Gasol starts at center in Bynum's absence, with Odom moving to power forward, and the Lakers' record of 18-7 without Bynum this season is better than their record with him (18-9).

The Lakers' front office is not in full agreement on dealing Bynum, sources told Bucher. Jim Buss, son of owner Jerry, was in charge of the franchise when Bynum was drafted with the 10th pick in 2005 and has consistently resisted any attempts to move him, including a deal for free-agent-to-be Chris Bosh last season.

Lakers coach Phil Jackson, another source said, would like to see how his team performs in a rematch against the Celtics Thursday and in the remaining five games on its current seven-game road trip before deciding to make such a dramatic move.

The Lakers' motivation to upgrade their roster largely stems from the struggles of Artest this season. He was considered an important component last season in defending premier small forwards such as Kevin Durant and Paul Pierce, and the Lakers may see either the Celtics' Pierce or the Heat's LeBron James in the Finals if they were to get that far.

But Jackson has not played Artest down the stretch in a number of games this season because he has been ineffective both offensively and defensively.

The Nuggets like Bynum's immense upside and believe that, at 23 years old, he can overcome his health issues. But they understand it would be a risk, and are not entirely certain they would trade for him, one source said.

Acquiring Bynum is not a huge financial risk for Denver, though, considering his great potential. Bynum has two years and $31 million left on his contract, but the final year is a team option for $16.5 million. If Bynum experiences another injury next season, the Nuggets could decide not to pick up the option and thus be on the hook for just the $15.1 million he's due next season.

Bynum is averaging 11.3 points and 7.4 rebounds per game in 27 games this season. In five full seasons with Los Angeles, Bynum has averaged only 56 games per season because of injuries.

Anthony is coming off a 50-point, 11-rebound outing Monday, but the Nuggets lost to the Rockets.

Chris Broussard covers the NBA for ESPN The Magazine.

The more I think about this, the more of a no-brainer it becomes. We could find a guy like a Brendan Haywood/Kurt Thomas type that would fill in just fine as our back up and as a spot defensive player.


We can't pass up a chance to get a player as great as Carmelo Anthony. The Bulls wons rings with guys like Bill Wennington and Will Perdue. We lock up Pierce and Ray Allen, and the Celtics have nothing. While the Lakers have Kobe, Pau, Carmelo, and Lamar.


Plus, the C's have no answer for Carmelo. They would have to double team him, leaving open opportunities for the likes of Kobe and Gasol. I mean c'mon. Pau, Lamar, and Carmelo crashing the boards isn't exactly all that weak either. I'm not convinced that Shaq and Jermaine O'neal have the ability to play championship minutes at this point in their careers either.
If this can happen, I believe that this is something the Lakers have to do. It will improve the team.

Posted by: Rocky | February 08, 2011 at 12:13 PM
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R0cky,

How did the Lakers do on signing a backup center over the summer? Obviously its not that easy.

The Bulls won because they had superior defensive teams especially when they had MJ, Pip, Harp, Rodman...the Lakers don't have that type of defensive team.

The offense sounds great with Melo, but what about defense?

 
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