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Sizing up what Celtics-Thunder trade means for the Lakers

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Even through all the injury uncertainty, the Lakers have maintained a long and steadfast view that they shouldn't trade center Andrew Bynum for one reason.

Size. It's an advantage few teams have in the NBA and it's a huge reason why the Lakers have been through three consecutive Finals appearances. Heck, even when Bynum played a limited role during the Finals against Boston last season because of torn cartilage in his right knee, he altered and blocked shots, intimidated players from driving into the lane, provided close shots and rebounds, and gave an occasional breather to Pau Gasol.

It's debatable in these parts whether that perspective is correct. Size has played an instrumental part of the Lakers' consecutive championships. But there's the continuing uncertainty whether they'll truly get the investment in return. The latter mind-set is something the Celtics showed when they traded center Kendrick Perkins and backup guard Nate Robinson to the Oklahoma City Thunder for forward Jeff Green and center Nenad Krstic. The reasons for the Celtics' breaking up their 2008 championship roster mostly points to the fact that Perkins recently turned down a long-term contract and would become a free agent after this season. Still the Celtics are barely a season removed from Coach Doc Rivers' downplaying the Lakers' 2010 title because Perkins tore the medial collateral and posterior cruciate ligaments in his right knee, causing him to miss the final three quarters of Game 6 and all of Game 7. "They still have not beaten our starting five," Rivers said of Boston, which in ironic fashion secured the 2008 NBA Finals while the Lakers featured an absent Andrew Bynum and a limited Trevor Ariza.

So how does this change Boston moving forward?

"I can't speculate about that," Lakers Coach Phil Jackson said. "They know what they want." But he did throw in a tongue-in-cheek dig: "They go down as never having lost a playoff series."

This at least becomes clear: Rivers can't lament Perkins' absence should the Lakers beat the Celtics in the Finals. The Lakers have their own issues, though they've softened since putting together a two-game winning streak. But this remains clear: The Lakers would match up much better against the Celtics in the NBA Finals without Perkins in the lineup. He may have been limited in the Lakers' 109-96 loss Jan. 31 to the Celtics, posting two points, six rebounds, four fouls and three turnovers in 27 minutes. Perkins also couldn't match Bynum in the Lakers' 92-86 victory Feb. 10 in points, scoring 12 to Bynum's 16. And Boston still stayed the top team in the Eastern Conference despite his absence until the first Lakers-Celtics matchup.

But as the Lakers and Celtics very well know, the playoffs area different story. Perkins provided a valuable presence for Boston because he is a capable defender. Of course, the Celtics still have size with Krstic, Shaquille O'Neal and Jermaine O'Neal, while Kevin Garnett and Glen Davis will continue their usual role at power forward. Lakers Hall of Famer Magic Johnson tweeted, "Look out for Shaq-he'll be big in the play-offs for the C's." And The Sporting News and Pro Basketball Talk's Kurt Helin explain in  detail the big-picture implications the Celtics considered when making this move.

But Boston is surely taking a huge risk. Shaq has been frequently limited with an inflamed Achilles' tendon that the Boston Globe's Julian Benbow reports is "showing no signs of improving." Jermaine O'Neal remains sidelined from right knee surgery. And who knows how well Krstic will fit in? With the 2010 NBA Finals presenting a competitive series that hinged on two evenly matched teams looking for any edge possible, the Lakers just gained an advantage without Perkins there should they meet again. This time, however, Rivers can't lament his absence.

"That's right," Jackson said, smiling.

But the Lakers shouldn't be smiling too much because Oklahoma City instantly becomes a tougher opponent for them should they meet in the playoffs. Kobe Bryant expressed uncertainty on what Perkins' role will entail with the Thunder. But should Perkinsprovide the same role with the Thunder as he did with the Celtics, the Lakers are in for one tough series. They already had their hands full dealing with the youth and athleticism that the likes of Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook and Serge Ibakabring in the open court. If the Thunder are able to strike a balance between using that athleticism and finding production from Perkins when other teams slow down the pace, the Lakers should be in for one tough test.

It's good the Lakers stood pat and made no moves before the trading deadline. They already have the distinguishable skills they need in Bryant's scoring and the size Gasol and Bynum bring. But as the Lakers learned today, one playoff opponent just became stronger at the expense of another.

--Mark Medina

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Photo: Lakers center Andrew Bynum and Boston center Kendrick Perkins battle for possession during the first quarter Thursday night. Credit: Charles Krupa / Associated Press

 
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Who would be first on the list of guards?

Ranking: One -Five

1. Magic Johnson
2. Kobe
3. West
4. Goodrich
5. Byron Scott

Honorable mention
Norm Nixon
Michael Cooper

I don't see how anyone could better this list!!!

Posted by: Mr. Laker | February 24, 2011 at 05:50 PM

Not really worried about OKC,

Only worried about wily veterans from San Antonio,

but I think they will show their age and break down,

The Celtics will probably lose to the Heatless.

It will come down to Lakers and Heatless in a tight one!

That's what David Stern wants for ratings.

The only thing he won't get right is Lebrony won't win it this year!

Kobe Three-peat champion and MVP!!!

Mark Medina,

I am still confused as to what the Celtics were thinking.

It's almost as if they're approach is, "Okay! We'll help the Thunder beat the Lakers in the Western Conference and then WE'LL beat the Thunder in the Finals!!! Brilliant! What could go wrong?"

Umm... yeah. About that.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Pretty much right up there with Machine for broken parts

MAJOR mistake by the Cs. Who cares about long term thinking? This team is built to win NOW, their window is closing (and unlike the Lakers, it's not 'cause of effort).

Major WIN by the Thunder. That team is stacked. I hope they go up against the Spurs before the Lakeshow has to face them.

The other winner is, ironically, the Heat because the Cs got weaker in their biggest advantage against them.

This assumes Perkins passes his physical, not a given.

Also, the Blazers got a big win today with G Wallace, I think.

As for Baron Davis, LOL.

Laker fan-

You are a riot. When we had Perk ... you said he was a stiff! Now he is gone ... you act like he's Bill Russell!

Obviously, this is a financial move. They stand to lose Perkins to free agency for nothing.

People tend to forget that the NBA is first and foremost a business.

Huge mistake by the Celtics -- Perkins was the piece made their defense implacable. Unless Krstic turns out to be secretly ferocious, their championship hopes are severely diminished...

I think I heard somewhere Perkins turned down a contract extension. Maybe that's why Boston decided to trade him.

Ainge has got some sack making this trade. Let's be honest, though: they didn't just trade Bill Russell. As we're probably aware, Ainge was a player for Boston in the late 80's when the Celtics refused to part w/ their tradeable vets, mostly named McHale, who still had premium value at the time. They figured "keep the gang together" and give it one more try. As we know, that didn't work out.
It also would've been nice if the blogger had at least mentioned what a young forward like Green brings to the Celtics. I think the guy's a quality player and w/ Garnett & Pierce gives Boston 3 forwards that will significantly contribute. The Clips first round pick they received may be around #18 but one things for certain: someone's gonna overpay for an 8 pt. 6 reb. free agent named Perkins this upcoming offseason. This trade is not near as bad as its being played out to be.

What's especially satisfying is now Boston fans are downplaying Perkins importance.

Wasn't it just yesterday they were saying if Perkins played in game 7 Boston would have won the championship?

Jon K, the Ainge thinking process are: 1) to load the Celtics with young players; 2) get rid of the salary load of Perkins; 3) maybe they could not agree on $$$ on contract extension; or 4) Based on medical evaluatio KP will be handicapped by the knee surgery. On the other hand, the Celtic Centers are still good on any given day: Baby Shaq, Shaq, J'Oneil and Kristic, if all are healthy those 4 could still be a threat. Of course, the great power forward, KG will still be there. As such KP really become an excess to the Celtics while Green just added punching speed on their line-up which would blend with Allen, Rondo and Paula. Secondly, Ainge planted their former great Center with Thunder to get rid of SA or the Lakers in the 2nd or WCF.

What's the answer of Lakers? I don't know they're great in flipping the switch by banking on history that it "always" repeat itself w/ the Lakers. Mitch and Jimbo are comfortable with their showing in the recent wins, perhaps they also believe in the switch and/or preserving their energy for playoffs only while playing serious basketball at the last five minutes of every (season) game.

IMO, I believe the need a speedy PG who will do facilitating in setting up Kobe or going on the inside for our bigs, right now we are playing w/ roulette if we let Kobe do the shooting on every close game. We need a Rondo-type as a Distribution Manager. Mitch should still consider getting a good PG before the season ends on players unloaded by non-playoff team to clear cap space. Laker should fill the 14th as replacement of Theo and 15th slot a PG. Joe Smith should play regularly because he could help in defense and also known to be a good shooter. If he rots on the bench, there is no way he can help this team by playoff time, he would appear like Josh Powell last year.

We missed the Sweepstakes frpm Houston, what kind of trade was that in opting for thabeet for Battier and Aaron Brooks fro Dragic. Those are the two players Lakers need, of course we could only offer Luke, two rookies. I don't think they will release Blake and Fish in any midseason trade. We don't know the inside talks, Aaron Brooks is a blue chip that opens up the Laker offense.

$ move.

they'll free up some cash and roster spots... can't imagine their vets are thrilled with it.

Now that Wallace is traded by Bobcats to Portland, I consider Portland as a threat to the Lakers and not SA or OKC....this team is very dangerous...Lakers 3 peat and beyond...

Wow...Celtics fans are ridiculous. I got into a discussion with one a week ago and he was crying about how we never beat their five. Today he tells me Perk wasn't that important. BS. The Celtics ARE DONE.

The Thunder really be really good, Portland stepped up their game getting Gerald Wallace. I was hoping the Lakers would have gotten him. Dallas is on fire and San Antonio is still rolling.

The Lakers Billion $$ payroll and the fact they win so much, keeps them from getting good trades. Teams do not want to give them anything. Teams won't to take from there to keep them from contending. Lakers just need to step it up and use what they got. They will be O.K. I still feel they will 3-peat.

Didn't we just beat their five in Boston?? Yes, we did.

Stop this lie. Tell Celtic fan that's why Ainge got rid of Perkins. Cuz we beat their damn five.

I don't think this trade makes much of a difference in the big picture. As important as Boston fans think Perkins is, we're essentially talking about a role player here. Yeah, he's an asset on defense, but he's also a liability on offense. With him and Rondo on the court at the same time, they were basically playing 3 on 5. Boston's better off playing KG and Big Baby together in crunch time.

As for OKC, they still don't have a big who can create his own shot. I'm not that worried at all. The only thing that would worry me is if Westbrook developed a consistent jump shot like Derrick Rose has. If he did, he may become even better than Rose. As it stands now, Fish doesn't have a chance of slowing him down, so it'll have to be up to Kobe again to do the honors.

The only thing he won't get right is Lebrony won't win it this year!

Kobe Three-peat champion and MVP!!!

Posted by: Mr. Laker | February 24, 2011 at 06:02 PM
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Wait, they have the refs on their side. Just watch them play. Playing D, on a penetration, just put your body in front of the opponent: If you're wearing a Cheat jersey, is offense foul; if not, it's your foul, hahaha...Just happened against Chicago...

Let's see... Boston was a bit concerned about meeting us in the Finals so they send their "big" out west to OKC to do the job for them! Ok, not really but I think it's obvious that Boston didn't want to deal with his knee problem and they were able to ship out trigger happy Nate.

Apparently, Bos isn't worried about the Lakers "bigs" if in fact they do meet up in the finals. Green is a statistical upgrade over Perkins for Bos so we'll have to see how he works out in their system.

Meanwhile, back here in the west, OKC has addressed their weakness with L.A. in mind so we'll be able to see how effective they are against the Lakers on Sunday, assuming Kendrick is healthy enough to play! This is certain: the west just got more interesting. I know Mitch was quoted as saying that this team deserves a chance to defend their championship but I think the bigger truth is that he had no choice. This is the team we roll with - absent any late pick-ups via waivers - so it is on!

The Lakers need to reel off some wins against the following teams beginning Thurs and ending on March 14: Clips, Thunder, TWolves, Bobcats, Spurs, Hawks, Heat, Mavericks and the Magic. "Kiddy" season is over and all of these games count especially when you're 6th in the league and 3rd in the conference. Dallas is playing very well and now we'll see if OKC has become a legitimate threat.

The "season" is upon us with only 23 games left before the playoffs. Now it's time for the Lakers to begin winning a lot of games with some quality victories against the legitimate contenders, "by any means necessary!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DlfEQ7cyk

Reduce those dreaded Turnovers, better shot selection and for goodness sake, run, don't jog back on D. Their transitional Defense is pathetic. Pau and Andrew are allergic to running and of course, Pau wastes all kinds of time whining about calls before he realizes the game is taking place at the opposite end of the court! "JUST DO IT!"

"Even when we didn't make the playoffs, I thought we'd win the championship." Dr. Buss

GO LAKERS & IN BUSS WE TRUST!!

Posted by: frmkt | February 24, 2011 at 05:18 PM

Keep eyes on Troy Murphy. If he goes to Boston - who made room with salary dumps - he will help them.

Would love to see Murphy on Lakers

dkwsfo

I hope the Thunder and Spurs meet in the playoffs.

That would be good. Let them kill each other.

The biggest winner in this trade may be the Bulls who could win the East this year. Rose is a superstar and he is surrounded by 3 quality players, a decent bench and possibly the coach of the year. Who deserves allot of credit for beating Jackson and the Lakers in the Finals. Pretty good win over the Heat tonight. Deng with the dagger off an assist from Rose.

If the Celtics lose to the Bulls, the team that took them to game 7, 2 years ago then the Lakers could have home court advantage in the Finals. Something they do not deserve but now could end up with. Even if they don't, traveling to Chicago will be easier on the old men than Boston. But you can bet that Chicago fans will be rocking out of their minds.

Even Stern won't be too disappointed.

Danny is going insane. Or maybe he talk to Bill Bellichek who told him to trade Perk like how he traded Randy and they became the best team in the league. But perk was one mean looking and tough player and gasol was petrified of him. Now boston loses that. Now if shaq is healthy he is a tough matchup for bynum based on history but why would you bank your titlr hopes on a 39 year old man?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Shawn-Kemp-rips-Blake-Griffin-s-dunk-as-Kia-tak?urn=nba-325517

Did I mention that Shawn Kemp is a crack-addicted scumbag who fathered half a dozen children out of wedlock without remorse?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

GDUB,

Enjoyed the J. Rawls. His beats are always on point whether jazz flavored or hip hop. I hadn’t heard from Jonell in a while so that was cool and it was a good intro to a few of the other vocalists.

The Lakers turned on a switch, why then are they winning games that they should have lost by double digits last week such as the lowly Cavaliers, Bobcats. There is obviously one and they did so beginning the Hawks game.

GO LAKERS!!

PS I still do not get the Perkins trade.. it's mind boggling, I get that they didn't feel Perkins was committed to staying there for another year and the money wasn't right, and the knees were an issue but are you serious? Your window is 4 months and yeah I know everybody else is fast and all that, and Jeff Green isn't half as bad a scorer and he is an upgrade on paper statistically, but he's not beefy in the paint and if you watched the Nuggets-Celtics game today you know how Nene had a field day out there big timing Big Baby and Kevin Garnett. I know so because a team without it's leading scorer had a fairly easy time hanging in with Garnet.

Jon K,

Thanks for posting the article on Shawn Kemp article. He said he's a big fan of Blake, but the last dunk was the weakest of the contest. Actually that's the same thing nearly all the serious hoop fans I talked to said.

Say what you will about Kemp's personal life, but the Reign Man knows dunks.

phred’s post deadline ponderings;

I think the best trade this season aside from the Nets and the Knicks picking up long term superstars is Gerald Wallace to Portland. Przybilla’s expiring contract was a great asset that wasn’t getting much notice, but they turned it into probably the best player available under the circumstances. Of course, if Camby doesn’t make it back they will be relatively hopeless in the playoffs this year and I don’t envy the about to be seriously beat up LaMarcus Aldridge, but they just kept themselves competitive over the next few years, always depending of course on whether they can turn Miller into anybody and whether Roy is done or not.

Re Boston’s seemingly inexplicably stupid move and the final grades on trade day; rumors are that Murphy, Przybilla and a few others like maybe Delembert may be be bought out and available- any of those guys could be a factor to a team like Portland (can Portland re-sign 'zBilla? I don't think they can) or Boston that seemingly gave away all their size- Or maybe give the Heat a shot at an interior game. Not sure the details on those specifically, but I want to see how those guys shake out before judging anything- also I would be very mistrustful of how healthy Perkins really is this year. OKC definitely got better, but it’s hard to say how much. I respect Perkins, but he was playing with four All Stars, so who knows.

abn- thanks for giving me a laugh- yup, if Dwight Howard goes to OKC they will be scary. Of course, if Hilary Swank and Angelina Jolie move in with me I probably won’t care about how the Lakers do anymore, and I think that might be about equally likely.

LTLF- Trade machine always crashes my browser if it works at all- can you just summarize the trade?

Something else to remember about the Celtics- they don’t run on talent at C, they run on depth- I think maybe they recognized that if Perkins was healthy but the ONeal bros weren’t, they were going to be in trouble anyway- Then again, maybe they saw the Bulls and the Heat coming and decided they should stop worrying about beating LA so much and more about getting to play LA at all. Is Jeff Green any use? Well, the Big Three and A Half can make anybody better.

I would not have complained if we had gotten Aaron Brooks, but I definitely can understand not bothering too much about him at this point in the season. Goran Dragic joins the interminable lists of guys who were supposedly going to replace Steve Nash.

It will be interesting to see what Rick Adelman can do with Hasheem Thabeet.

I notice that the Nuggets didn’t trade anybody, either any of the guys they got for Melo or Harrington, Nene or JR Smith.

THE LOVE IS VERY HAPPY FOR TROY MURPHY THIS WEEK- HE JUST BECAME ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR GUYS IN THE NBA

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

If Murphy's contract is bought out the Lakers should get him yesterday, Andrew Bynum has no backup, and given his propensity to get injured, I would be surprised if Mitch isn't looking or hasn't been looking for a replacement. I understand this cat Derrick Caracter has some abilities - but we haven't seen them and neither is Phil willing to him enough of a run during the regular season and he won't want to rely on him come crunch time- he might be forced to though. You just can't roll the dice.

As far as the Thunder is concerned I think it's the same dynamic that the Celtics had only Durant isn't Kevin backing people down, and as some of you said if Westbrook had a more consistent shot even if they missed those they have cats that can bang down low. That being said if Perkins gets injured then all of this is null, he is more of a liability in crunch time because he has a propensity to get injured due to the constant movement in the paint. It does make them tougher and this gives them an edge in matchups. I can't wait to see how these guys mesh together.

@phred abn- thanks for giving me a laugh- yup, if Dwight Howard goes to OKC they will be scary. Of course, if Hilary Swank and Angelina Jolie move in with me I probably won’t care about how the Lakers do anymore, and I think that might be about equally likely.


If Dwight Howard goes to the Bulls they are scary. I don't know what they will have to give up, but will it matter, during free agency the Derrick Rose - Dwight Howard is as deadly as anyone's in history and these guys aren't getting any worse. So the idea that Dwight Howard to the Lakers is a given is a bit far-off given we have another championship to take, then odds are even more in our favor. This being said a lot will depend on the salary Jerry Buss (likely) will be willing to give Dwight, the situation in the East after this summer and the Lakers situation. Cause I think Derrick Rose and that Chicago Bulls team is in a revival and it might be an interesting destination going forward. This being said, I still think even with a Bulls and the bright lights of Chicago there is a lot to be said about a guy that sees himself as having a lot to gain going to L.A. and so it will be tough to resist, he will be the building block going forward.


@POINTFORWARD… “I can't wait to see how these guys mesh together.” I agree 100%, PF.

After the All-Star break is when the good NBA teams begin to elevate their performance with a goal of peaking going into the playoffs. It’s the stretch run of the regular season when the elite teams look to hone their game, fine tune their chemistry and teamwork, and get a favorable seeding for the playoffs. In many way, it’s the worst time to bring in new players and risk disrupting delicate team chemistry.

Yet, that is exactly what almost every major contender and pretender opted to do before the NBA trade deadline arrived yesterday. While there definitely were teams looking to better themselves right now, there were also teams looking to get better in the long run, dump payroll, and clear cap space. And looming in the background is the real possibility of a lock out and a struggle to get a new CBA.

We’re watching the end of an era in many ways. Phil Jackson’s last season. A changing of the guard. A new CBA and a new box set of contenders and pretenders. A new coach for the Lakers. Maybe a new offensive system. Maybe a new center. Hopefully, a new point guard. I happen to believe in karma and am looking for another happy ending to this season. Then the real turmoil will begin.
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TOM


@POINTFORWARD… “I can't wait to see how these guys mesh together.” I agree 100%, PF.

After the All-Star break is when the good NBA teams begin to elevate their performance with a goal of peaking going into the playoffs. It’s the stretch run of the regular season when the elite teams look to hone their game, fine tune their chemistry and teamwork, and get a favorable seeding for the playoffs. In many way, it’s the worst time to bring in new players and risk disrupting delicate team chemistry.

Yet, that is exactly what almost every major contender and pretender opted to do before the NBA trade deadline arrived yesterday. While there definitely were teams looking to better themselves right now, there were also teams looking to get better in the long run, dump payroll, and clear cap space. And looming in the background is the real possibility of a lock out and a struggle to get a new CBA.

We’re watching the end of an era in many ways. Phil Jackson’s last season. A changing of the guard. A new CBA and a new box set of contenders and pretenders. A new coach for the Lakers. Maybe a new offensive system. Maybe a new center. Hopefully, a new point guard. I happen to believe in karma and am looking for another happy ending to this season. Then the real turmoil will begin.
……………………………..
TOM

smart move by Celtic, they hope by trading the big center to Thunder, then Thunder can knock out Lakers and Celtic will have easier time in the NBA Finals!!!

smart move by Celtic, they hope by trading the big center to Thunder, then Thunder can knock out Lakers and Celtic will have easier time in the NBA Finals!!!

I liked the comment by Phil:

"They go down as never having lost a playoff series."


Like Brian Shaw said the other day to reporters: "We only look at ourselves. If we play our best no team can beat us ". And then Kobe agreed with it after the game.

We can be here speculate about other teams, but in the end it's all about our team. If they can bring their A game.

The Lakers sitting at the playoff poker table at the trading deadline, teams tried to improve their hand. We sat pat. We were not bluffing. All in baby. Game over!

Celtics Fans,

Good luck.


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

I was wondering how Perkins will fit the Thunder play.


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

I am beginning to BELIEVE in those baby BULLS. I smell upset in East playoffs.


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

Celtics have no legit Center. Shaq and Jermaine's health are always questionable.

The Heat are salivating. The Baby Bulls are slowly rising. The Celtics are still capable. The Magic has Dwight.

This years East Playoffs is gonna be EPIC.

LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

Cavs just waived Powe.

Is he healthy? Is he coming back to the Celtics? Can we get him to replace Ratliff?


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

Celts trade of Perk does make some sense.

- If he left this summer they would get nothing in return, this way they got, something.
From a business standpoint, better to get something for him.

- How good is that knee?

- They stayed in first place with the best record in the East without him.

- They beat Heat/Bulls without him.

But then, Bulls/Heat are tougher now and will be tough in the playoffs.
Playoffs this year should be fun, both east and west.

To Sean-
I can bad mouth any player in the league if I want to. This is an open place where anyone can vent.
I diss LBJ only because people compare him to Kobe.
duh!!! Do I need to explain myself to you when I POST?
I am 100% Lakers

Actually, I don' t think it's a bad move by the Celtics.

They're understanding that the way to beat the Lakers is by running on
them.

If a team decides to run, Bynum will be sent to the bench.

Athletic/Quick PF's & C's have been giving Pau trouble all season.

Battier to Grizzlies ....

We've already had some problems with them. They just got tougher.

No, I'm not saying that the sky is falling.

OKC is no threat to the Lakers. Even if they added Perkins to their line up. Only cause OKC has Durant and Westbrook, doesn't mean that they are in the same level with the Lakers.
Did the Thunder win at Staples Center last year in the Playoffs?

Joe_Corad,

Kobe Bean Bryant has been dissed ever since he started in the NBA. Dissed everywhere, anytime of the day and twice on Sundays.

So, if you diss LBJ, no problem with me.


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

Hobbitmage,

How about Nazr Mohammed and Perkins tag team in OKC? Plus, Ibaka? That's a tough one.

And yes, I'm also not saying the sky is falling. =)


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

LRob,

Ohio players Funky Worm. I heard some stuff NWA, AMG and I think Dr Dre used, right?
The Funky Worm, haha that really was funky.

Random Thoughts….

Boston lost coach Thibs, Tony Allen and now Perk. Thus a huge chunk of their defensive identity is gone. Can they compensate for that lost on the offensive end? I’m skeptical.

Baron Davis is the latest example of why players can rarely win by feuding with management. Basketball aside, this is not a good strategy in any business.

Rip Hamilton declined to give up 36% of the 25mil he’s due in the next two years in a buyout - I don’t blame him. Like the Russian gangster said in "Rounders", "Payz me my money"

For all those so high on Aaron Brooks.. you do realize that Kyle Lowry beat him out for the PG position right?

LRob,

Ohio players Funky Worm. I heard some stuff NWA, AMG and I think Dr Dre used, right? The Funky Worm, haha that really was funky.

Posted by: Maia32 | February 25, 2011 at 06:48 AM
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Magia32 (what happened to your g....G?)

Yeah, its been sampled a lot. I think all those you mentioned plus Short Dog and I think even Kris Kross.

Nice summary FCM. However, I am in the camp of don't really think Perkins is all that great. I think the Greenies 4 other starters made Perkins look way better than he really is.

Moving Perkins to OKC does nothing for their team and it will be super hard to integrate him into the amazing Westbrook/Durant tandem for this year's playoffs. Perkins is not really a run up and down the court guy and they rely on the transition game to excite their crowd. Now suddenly, OKC is going to become a "defensive-minded" team with the addition of Perkins??? I have a hard time believing that one.

As for the Greenies, I think this hurts their chemistry more than it hurts their actual game plan. But I am in the camp that they have something else up their sleeve and maybe even a full-court press to bring back Rasheed for his "last stand". In the meantime, I think the Greenies move was to counter the perimeter strength of the other EC teams. They still have to get out of the East. The Greenies have Miami's number right now and I think they are more worried about the likes of Chicago and a rejuevenated Knicks team having playoff surprises or pushing them to the limits. Shaq will be there come playoffs but he doesn't command a double so I think they are trying to make sure they can defend the perimeter.

Lastly, this was most likely all about the benjamins. Perk would have been looking for the big payday given he is a starter amongst hall of famers. The Celtics wouldn't have been able to pay him and are pretty limited heading into the unknown CBA black hole. So, they maxed out their credit limit with Perk. Since this is a business, I'd probably do the same. There are enough players out there who may be waived and would bet on the Greenies in the finals.

Cheers - PLG

You MAYBE could beat the Lakers running small-ball in the regular season, but in the playoffs the game slows down considerably. Whoever wins the board battle (especially offensive) and plays better D, wins the title. That's always the way it is. Ainge is yet again a day late and a dollar short: if he really wanted to rebuild, he would have been smart and broken up the Geriatric Three in '09, but instead he re-upped and went all in. He made it worse by picking up injury-prone has-beens Shaq and Jermaine to counteract the Lakers' and Magic's size, and now all of a sudden he changes direction by going smaller, trading away his defensive bulldog, and preparing for the future? Bone-headed move.

Magia32 (what happened to your g....G?)

Posted by: LRob | February 25, 2011 at 07:10 AM
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Oh, I didn't even notice. Good lookin out.

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What it means is...THE CELTICS KNEW THE LAKERS WOULD DESTROY THEM IN THE PLAYOFFS SO THEY GAVE UP!!!! WHAT'S UP LAKER NATION?????? JovBatz44, DJ LRob, Psyched, Joe, Hobbit, Art, Tidal Wave, Point Forward, Magia32 ????
Sorry I'm Late, was doing a little celebrating of my hometown Bulls last night!!!

@Joe Corad- Did I say you have to explain yourself? No, I didn't.

Look, dude, diss anybody you want. Dissing Lebron is like shooting fish in a barrel at this point. I was making a suggestion you can easily do that in the South Florida Beacon Journal or the Miami Herald. This is a Laker blog. Primary, secondary, tertiary Laker Blog.

Helpful suggestions should never be dismissed.

And the Lebron-Kobe comparison is really labored. Their games are nothing alike, their attitudes are nothing alike, their personalities are nothing alike.
That's all you have to say to someone and you wouldn't have to go into much detail, either.

Sean my brother, Joe is a good guy really! He's part of the late night/early morning crew. Not trying to get in your business, but just afraid you may be operating under an erroneous assumption about brother Joe.

@JOVBATZ44. HELL YEAH...LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

all about the benjamins

Posted by: PsychedLakerGirl | February 25, 2011 at 07:21 AM

man, that song is good... ALL ABOUT THE BENJAMINS BABY

The unmentioned player in all of this is even bigger than Perkins IMO. Trading away Nate was a mistake. Do you not remember why the series even went 7?

Simple, game 4... Big Baby's Slobber and Nate Robinson. If the Celts lose that game, Pierce's prediction of not coming back to Los Angeles comes true.

Perkins is highly over rated because his production comes so much from the big 3 - but now, relying on the O'Neals and losing Nate, they're weaker, IMO.

@mamba24- good to know. I'll keep on the straightened arrow.

Dissing LBJ is like shooting fish in a barrel, though, mamba, like a Clinton sex joke or a Tiger Woods joke, it gets labored after a while. I'm not trying to diss. Much respect Joe.

Now, mamba24, let's show the Clips, exactly what happens when you try to front on us. They wanted it this way, let's give them an indecent burial, Mo Williams first audition is a trip to the woodshed.

@Sean, thank you my brother. Like I said, I don't mean to interfere in your business, but me and Joe go back a long ways and I know he's good people!! Thanks and...Carry On!

Simple, game 4... Big Baby's Slobber and Nate Robinson. If the Celts lose that game, Pierce's prediction of not coming back to Los Angeles comes true.Posted by: Tim-4-Show | February 25, 2011 at 08:11 AM
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I think you got something there sir. At any rate Perkins is one excuse they will not be able to use. Now they can say forever we never would beat them with their starting 5. LOL!

@mamba24- I'm still new, if you think I need a head's up or should check myself. Let me know please, that's what real friends do for each other. Thanks mamba.

Good morning, Blog Family,

I am seriously TEEMING with excitement right now. Just got the word that I'll be sitting court side (court side!) for the game tonight. Words cannot express my happiness. It's going to be hard to focus at work for the next couple of hours.

Go Lake Show!

An apple to a peach, and a cherry to a plumb
We won't stop rocking till you all get some
The seed to the apple and the apple to the core
We are the city with the rings galore
The ball to the bounce, the bounce to the ball
This is the crew, we're gonna rock you all
L.A Lakers coming to your town
And if you get in our way, we gonna chop you down


People are so reactionary these days! Does anyone have the ability to calm down their emotional response, actually examine the situation, and make a logical decision rather than make a knee-jerk reaction?

Maybe there is more to the situation than we know. Are any of you certain that there aren't factors that we are missing in all of this? Maybe Ainge knows something we don't? Maybe there is more to the plan than just what happened yesterday. Perhaps we should all wait this out a bit before we come to any strong conclusions.

Also, instead of smirking and being sarcastic, maybe Phil Jackson ought to be preparing to deal with the stronger Thunder since they are now a very legitimate threat to the Lakers title defense.

I think you got something there sir. At any rate Perkins is one excuse they will not be able to use. Now they can say forever we never would beat them with their starting 5. LOL!


Posted by: mamba24 | February 25, 2011 at 08:20 AM

Did I mention that you never beat our starting 5?

@The OUTLAW, FOCUS OUTLAW, FOCUS!!!! LOL! That's great my brother I couldn't be happier for you. Of course I'm sure they wouldn't be mad at ya at work if you left a little early today! lol! Now Represent tonight my brother!!!!!!!

@131-92

Did I mention you didn't beat our starting 5, twice.

Did I mention that you never beat our starting 5? Posted by: 131-92 | February 25, 2011 at 08:30 AM
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WTH? You still got THE SWAGGER 131??? Well go head on with your Bad self. But I'm sorry you are not going to try to convince me that you are happy with this crazy trade are you?

History repeats.

Seeing LBJ and Wade reminds me of West and Baylor. One ring between them. West won with Chamberlain, Wade with Shaq, Elgin retired without one, will LBJ do the same?

Seeing LBJ and Wade reminds me of West and Baylor. One ring between them. West won with Chamberlain, Wade with Shaq, Elgin retired without one, will LBJ do the same? Posted by: p ang | February 25, 2011 at 08:34 AM
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PREACH P ANG, PREACH!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did I mention you didn't beat our starting 5, twice. Posted by: sean | February 25, 2011 at 08:33 AM
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


@PLG… Outstanding post, Shannon. I do disagree a little bit on the value of Perkins because I think he really added a lot of toughness to the Celtics character and chemistry. I do agree that disrupting chemistry at this point in the year is the real issue. Rather than fine tuning their team to prepare for the playoffs, the Celtics now have to incorporate 2 new players. Bottom line, I agree with your take that this is all about money and the Celtics not wanting to lose Perk for nothing.
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TOM

@PSYCHEDLAKERGIRL, Where the hell are my manners...OUT FREAKING STANDING MA'AM!!!!!!!!! Carry On!!!

WTH? You still got THE SWAGGER 131??? Well go head on with your Bad self. But I'm sorry you are not going to try to convince me that you are happy with this crazy trade are you?

Posted by: mamba24 | February 25, 2011 at 08:34 AM

LOL!! At first I wasnt happy but after a nites sleep ... Im kinda warming up to it. I definitely think he will be missed in the locker room and after rooting for someone for so long you hate to see him go. Its not like losing Nate Robinson.

I dont know that it will make a huge difference other than against the Lakers. But it also depends on who will be available in the coming week. The only other team with a talented big is Orlando but I dont think Howard shooting every time is gonna beat us. Im not to scared of them.

I do think we needed another scorer off the bench and someone who could help out on Lebron. With Daniels out for the season we had nobody and I doubt anyone worth a cra[ is gonna be bought out at the 3 spot.

@131-92, If you're good with it then I'm good with it...Just make sure your team holds up it's end of the bargain in June. The Lakers will be waiting for them. LOL! Carry On Sir!

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131-92 . . .

"As for Game 7 of last year's NBA Finals, it has somehow become an accepted fact that the Celtics would have defeated the Lakers had Perkins been healthy. Of course, this is both highly speculative and completely unfounded. Perkins certainly would have helped negate the Celtics' rebounding issues against the Lakers, but he also would have been a complete liability in what was, at times, a grossly stagnant half-court offense. To suggest that the Celtics lost that series on the boards in an overly simplistic attempt to justify defeat. Far more worrisome in that series was Boston's ineptitude in the half-court.

Go back and look. The Lakers beat the Celtics at their own game, by digging in and playing ferocious defense when it mattered. The Lakers averaged 90.6 points per game in the series. The Celtics averaged 87.1, including a whopping 73 in the final two games. When the Celtics broke 90 in the series, they won. When they didn't, they lost. Defense and rebounding weren't the real problems. Offense was.

Which is why, as we all know, Ainge went out and picked up Shaquille O'Neal during the offseason. The idea was to give the Celtics an offensive presence in the low post, someone to create better floor spacing and open looks for Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and others. The plan worked beautifully through the early part of the season. But then Shaq went down and Perkins came back, and everyone started buying into a refrain that Doc Rivers continued to sell right up through the Game 7 loss to the Lakers.

You know, we still haven't lost a playoff series when our starting five has been intact.

To his credit, Phil Jackson threw those words in the Celtics' faces yesterday ¬- "They go down as never having lost a playoff series," said the typically insufferable Jackson - because that assertion is now what it was then: an excuse. Nobody in Boston lamented the absence of Andrew Bynum when the Celtics cleaned up on the Lakers in June 2008. The Lakers were the better team last year, just as the Celtics were in 2008, and there is no point in crying or rationalizing. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. Deal with it."

That's not from me, but I've basically said the same thing to you C's interlopers for the last 8 months. It comes from Mazz.

http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/massarotti/2011/02/in_case_of_perkins_some_are_ac.html

I will give the C's this: they probably got more athletic. Bob Ryan is right, Jeff Green is the most talented guy involved in the trade. And who's to say Perk doesn't re-up with BOS after the season?

In any event, this comes down, fittingly, to the O'Neals for BOS. Will they be ready? If not, they could get "run" in the EC playoffs. As of right now only 2 games separate them from MIA and CHI for No. 1 seed in the East. If they slip to 3, they may see the Knicks 1st, and then have to play MIA or CHI in the second round, then catch whoever is left in the EC finals. And if they drop enough games, and make it to the Finals, they may lose HCA to San An, DAL or LA. They need Shaq and Jermaine ready to go by April.

Let's be clear: LA has significant obstacles of its own. If the playoffs started today, they'd have to go through a new-look Nuggets team, then on the road (likely) to Dallas, then based on seeding, on the road to SA. The West will be no joke.

@131-92, If you're good with it then I'm good with it...Just make sure your team holds up it's end of the bargain in June. The Lakers will be waiting for them. LOL! Carry On Sir!

Posted by: mamba24 | February 25, 2011 at 08:57 AM

It is what it is. I trust that Ainge knows what he is doing. You have to give up something to get something.

Peace-

If you say so ... it must be fact. Why are you still talking about Game 7? What I said about not having lost a series with our starting 5 was a JOKE!!! Play along!!

Understand this ... you can write whatever you want until you are blue in the fingers and its not gonna change how I feel. You won! Be happy! Let it go! I dont give a rats behind what Phil said! I dont listen to Phil! You wanna listen to Phils bs? Great ... continue!!

you know, I tried to buy in to what the Celtics were saying after the trade but seeing them last night... I'm not buying in...

WHAT??? was Ainge and the rest of the Celtic braintrust thinking? They were afraid they were going to lose Perk after the season was over? Their timeframe is... RIGHT NOW, they've got 2, 35 year olds and a 34 year old with massive miles on the legs, this was probably their last shot at a title before one of those big 3 declines severely and... they pull the rug out from under them with less than 1/2 the season to go?

I didn't know Perk was such a big influence in the locker room but... now we know... a little too late... This TOTALLY SUCKS! Didn't everyone want to see Lakers/Celtics in the finals one last time? Kristic and Jeff Green don't put them in the finals this year - sorry... Jermaine ONeal could be done for the year and Shaq is good for what? 20 minutes in one game out of every 3?

as Barkley would say, Turrible, turrible move...

Aaron Brooks would have been very nice or even McGrady. But we still have a great team, players just need to play come playoff time. And in the playoffs it is a team. Only 5 players on a basketball court. Unlike almost any other sport a role player can carry you sometimes has to carry you a game here or there in each series. Do that 4 series in a row...bingo 3 time World Champs. So we need step-up performances from the role players...each and every series.

THUNDER and LAKERS : WINNERS IN THE TRADE DEADLINE!


AS defensively tougher Thunder has become with Perkins and Ibaka, what is equally problematic for the Lakers is WESTBROOK AND NATE ROBINSON (SPEED), something the LAKERS are always in a disadvantage and more so nowadays, that Artest, Kobe and Fisher have lost their steps a long time ago.


Thunder is now as complete as the Lakers with SIZE, REBOUNDING, SCORING! Plus they have something the Lakers do not have SPEED and ATHLETICISM.


Celtics on the other hand has a need for a tweener with talent and they got that in Jeff Green and a solid back up Center in Kristic. Celtics bench now has a frontline of Kristic-Big Baby-Jeff Green. While Shaq-KG-Pierce rest. Not bad at all.

It was good trade for both Thunder and Celtics.


But Lakers is the actual winner of the trade. Because by not trading Bynum for Melo, Lakers has a bigger plan WIN A THREE PEAT THIS YEAR, then next DWIGHT HOWARD WANTS TO BE A LAKER, Magic's best option is to get Andrew Bynum in return. A WIN-WIN FOR THE LAKERS!


Thanks LakerTom and Larry!!!

LT - Perk definitely added toughness from the standpoint of rebounds, big body in the post, ability to alter or scare if you will, etc. So we agree. Bottom line, I am unimpressed with him and his abilities given 7ppg, 8rpg stats. I'd say that's average and they found a willing buyer to pay for something higher than average. Buy low, sell high - Greenies got that trade done.

PLG

"They still have not beaten our starting five," Rivers said of Boston, which in ironic fashion secured the 2008 NBA Finals while the Lakers featured an absent Andrew Bynum"

When lakers fans bring this "bynum was absent in 2008" argument are they aware? that: bynum was out that season a lot so "lakers knew how to play without their starting five". Perkins went out the beginning of "game 6" for gods sake, and you expect a team to figure it out in 2 games without a center against the sized lakers?

Keep this in mind: 2008 celtics beat lakers (with lakers already made it to finals without much help from bynum or they had a lot of time to make adjustments)

2009: Lakers were lucky because celtics lost to orlando without kevin garnett (and it still went on to game 7" and unexperienced orlando is almost sweeped in finals

2010: Lakers beat celtics at their HOME COURT without PERKINS (again he was out unexpectedly) and only by 4 points?

Whatever happens this season as much as I respect lakers as a great team, celtics go in the history with this team. This starting five never ever lost a playoff series. I wish they won 3 or 4 championships but luck is always part of basketball..

131-92, I would think your moniker, taken from a game played nearly 3 years ago, precludes any complaining from you about discussions the (recent) past.

I've aimed my comments at you, but notice I've also mentioned your fellow C's interlopers. This whole Game 7 business hasn't gone away because C's fans -- including you -- have kept it alive lo these last 8 and a half months. bil turner being the latest C's interloper to rewrite history.

I didn't bring up Phil. But Phil took a shot at what Rivers said in the wake of getting beat in the Finals and has reiterated at several points since.

bil turner: to quote phife, "you get an e for effort and t for nice try."

analyzing history doesn't give you a pass to rewrite it. but while we're at it . . . in the C's playoff history, they haven't blown a 3-2 playoff lead often. The Big Three-era C's pulled that off in consecutive years.

KG's loss was undeniably a game-changer in 2009, but the fact of the matter is that the C's were the defending champs with a Game 7 on their floor and lost by 19 points.

Last year, they went into the last 7 quarters of their season with a healthy Big Four. They folded. Mazz's column linked above provides the reality check.

For the most part, when the C's dusted off LA in 2008, LA fans didn't trot out the injury excuses C's fans have trotted out the last 2 years. As a matter of fact, LA fans were harder on the Lakers than the C's and their fans were. LA's walked away with the last 2 O'Briens and all the C's do is trot out excuses.

It may make you feel better to believe your version of history, but it's no use.

Doc Rivers is DELUSIONAL!!!

The C's starting five lost TWO playoff series...Orlando in 09 and Lakers in 10.

Just because their old and injury prone bodies can't hack a seven game series is no excuse...they started those series...and they LOST those series because they were not athletic or skillful enough to keep up.

The better players don't get injured during a game.

Perkins got injured because he put his limited body in the wrong place at the wrong time...just as Bynum does sometimes...ok alot...

My point is the risk of injury is dependent on the ability of the player...both physically and mentally...its a risk they take in ALL sports...and better athletes surrmount injuries.

I am quite sure I would get injured trying to bang up against some dude in the NBA....and if I did...Does it make me undefeated???? Hell no!! It means I'm NOT GOOD ENOUGH...just like Perkins and Garnet are not good enough to finish a series.

Sure "accidents" happen...but better/smarter players get in less accidents...because they know their bodies limitations and take less risks...

The bottom line is, as much as I don't like to see athletes get injured...injuries are part of the game...they separate the weak from the strong...

People who make excuses for their team's loss because a player got injured during the game are DELUSIONAL...the REALITY is their team lost because their players are not good enough to avoid injury...period.

>>>LTLF- Trade machine always crashes my browser if it works at all- can you
>>>just summarize the trade?


Sure... the essence of the deal (THE ONLY DEAL that would get Boston a ring this season) was this:

Boston sends Garnett, Pierce, Rondo, Allen, Shaq, Fat-Baby, Delonte West, Von Wafer, and Jermaine O'Neal to the Lakers.

The Lakers send Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Odom, Artest, Luke, Blake, Fish, Shannon Brown, Matt Barnes, and Joe Smith to the Celtics.

That would get the Celtics a ring.

haha...some celdick fan named himself after an old score 3 yrs ago. i guess you gotta hold on to what you can, huh? get a life and keep your worthless comments in the new england periodicals, kid! and take your sob stories with you. the most relevant numbers here are 83-79, LA beats Boston in a 7 game series, 4-3. i'm sure that's still very, very clear in that little brain of yours.

bil turner...you have GOT to be kidding yourself, dude. can you just come out with some facts, and not opinions and excuses? the better team won in 2008, and the best team the last 2 yrs has been the Lakers. there's a reason why it's a best out of 7, and not just one game like the superbowl. why didn't you win game 3 in the 2010 finals? why didn't you win game 6 in the 2010 finals? there would be no denying that the celtics are the better team had y'all not AWKKKKKKKCCCCCC....excuse me....CHOKED!

Perkin's agent was demanding to much money, why? Because Perkins wants to sign on with his long time friend LeBum James and the Cheat next year. They have played together in the past with Powe on the same team. The Celdicks would get nothing for him if he becomes a free agent next year, and they have always been high on Green since they drafted him originally. I can understand the move business wise but think it will severely weaken that team to 4th best in the East this second half behind the Heat, Bulls, and Magic.
On a second note, I can only hope OKC has to play SA in the playoffs before we have to play either one of those teams...LOL Lets play Dallas and then play the winner of that series!

PsychedLakerGirl – excellent comment, Perkins will be at half-court when Durant needs a pick set for him. Perkins can’t keep up and I bet his rebounding numbers will diminish.

LakerTom – excellent comment on the end of an era. We should all record every minute of the playoffs this year, and enjoy them next year when the offense struggles with 12-15 assists per game (if no triangle offense)

Island Priest – I think you are right, Pau was scared of Perkins. That hatchet face dude is fugly. What I read he cried when he found out he was traded? Out of character!

If the Lakers ever meet the Celtics, would you please feature lobs and dribble-drive dishes to Bynum and Pau? Not just from Kobe. I mean if we now have an advantage at the 5, why not exploit it!

Also I want to see Ebanks defend Westbrook. We have no other answer for him. Do we? How can it hurt to play Ebanks? We don’t need his scoring or rebounds (and he will still average 6,6 just on hustle), and I bet he could slow down Westbrook

I don't know how your logic works

the sentence "celtics starting 5 never lost a playing series" means, when "Perkins, Garnett, Pierce, Allen, Rondo" were healthy to play together they never lost a playoff series.

that doesn't mean celtics are better than lakers (doesn't mean the opposite either) or that doesn't mean any other thing at all.

the sentence is 100 percent correct you like it or not. And any argument doesn't make this sentence false....

 
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