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Pau Gasol receives blunt criticism on Seriously Funny Kids

Kobe Bryant would like everyone to believe his pep talk last week with Pau Gasol about being more aggressive provided a spark. Phil Jackson would like everyone to believe that his season-wide prodding of El Spaniard has finally paid off, resulting in a 21.5 points per game average on 37 of 58 shooting (63.7%) in the past four games. But no, what's really gotten Gasol this past week points back to an appearance on Seriously Funny Kids that aired Tuesday night (go to around the 16-minute mark).

In that episode, seven-year-old Tobey told Gasol point-blank how he needs to sharpen his game.

"You need to try to get fouled more," Tobey said.

A tad defensive, Gasol responded, "The referees have to call it more too, right?"

"Sometimes"

"Sometimes, but I'll try to get fouled more."

This leads me to wonder what other blunt things Tobey would say to the other high-profile Laker starters: Here's some ideas. On Bryant: "Why do your teammates always stand around and watch you shoot." On Andrew Bynum: "Why are you always injured?" On Lamar Odom: "Your fragrance stinks." On Ron Artest: "Stop shooting." On Derek Fisher: "You're much different in the playoffs."

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Tobey for the win.


DBDH!

The Elephant in that room is:

Kobe and Phil each have their versions of what it would take to get the Lakers on track and they both hand the metaphorical ball to Pau.


We're the only team that can 3 peat. We're the bulls eye on everyone's target.

They've hit us a few times this season but we're the champs.
Stay focused, stay healthy, stay the course.

GO Lakers!

Lebron says he wants to win 7-8 championships. If we get Carmelo, Lebron will be eating those words.

Go Lakers!


@LROB... We’re fine as far as I am concerned. I respect your basketball knowledge and appreciate your balanced posts. What I found demeaning in your comments was the implication that I was a Pau Gasol basher and that my criticism of Pau was solely to make Drew appear better, which is a position that I will vehemently attack regardless of source because it is patently unfair and wrong. For you to claim that you do not believe me is your right, as it is mine to be offended. This is the first time that I have ever advocated trading Pau Gasol and it has nothing to do with Drew. It had to do with his subpar play and attitude for the first half of this season and the opportunity to obtain a player who could extend the team’s and Kobe’s championship window by several years, a rallying cry now ironically embraced by most of the blog now that it is Drew and not Pau on the block.
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Since you’re such a fan of the archives, you should go back and see how valiantly I defended Pau against the slurs and defamations from ouchhhhhhhhhhhh and his band of real Pau Gasol bashers. While I have been hard on Pau when he played soft and point blank dislilke his tendency to not challenge penetrating guards because of fear of getting into foul trouble, I have clearly said that at his best he is the top power forward in the league and I would not trade him for any player other than Carmelo Anthony. I also said that if Pau starts to play harder and defend tougher, then I would not make the trade. In the last 3 games, we have seen great improvement in Pau’s attitude. The test in my mind will come Thursday against the Celtics in Boston. It will be a critical game for both Pau and Drew as the basketball world will be focused on the Lakers and Carmelo Anthony. Trust me, I will be rooting for both Pau and Drew to have great games. I seriously wonder if all Lakers fans can say the same thing, especially those who always have Drew in their sights.
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TOM

LakerTom

What ever happened to the fight we were supposed to have? :) Actually, I remain surprised that you would sacrifice Gasol for a player like Carmelo, but there's no need to continue to rehash it. To me, the Black Swan is still the best all around 7 footer on the planet and he knows what it takes to win championships. I guess what surprises me the most is that you don't have confidence in his know how to ratchet it up come playoff time. For a veteran fan like you, I would think that you would throw away what is unfolding before your eyes in this regard and understand that Pau realizes the difference between intensity during the regular season and the playoffs. He does. He's a champion.

HAVING SAID THAT, the late great TrueFan1947 would probably be right there with you, although he happened to be one of Andrew Bynum's biggest critics. It wasn't so much for the injuries, but the lack of intensity. Then again, he was hard on Lamar and the entire bench, too. To him there were no excuses for playing less than 100% all the time, but then he tempered that with the "practice season" philosophy because as emotional as he was, he was even more rational. So while I understand your disappointment with Pau's overall effort this season, I must balance this with a big picture approach based on very recent history.


@THE TRIANGULATOR... Your post about how many times Lamar has been on the trading block was great and I love your call out on how “defend” is part of being a two-time defending champ. How ironic is it that T.J. Simers is supporting keeping Bynum while Plasche is trumpeting the Lakers to trade him. Almost as weird as a long time Pau supporter like me wanting to trade him.
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@STAPLES24... Your point about how Bynum would transform the Nuggets into a serious contender was spot on. We always tend to just look at how a trade would impact the Lakers but your point should get equal billing because the last thing the Lakers want to do is resurrect a franchise that is in trouble that has always been a tough matchup for the Lakers. With a motivated Andrew Bynum getting up for every game against the Lakers, the Nuggets would be dangerous.
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Magia32... I think that Denver obviously raised the issue of trading Melo for Pau so as to gain some leverage to make the Knicks sweeten their proposals. I earlier stated that whether or not the Lakers would really trade Pau Gasol for Melo, I was sure that they would have the conversation, which it appears they did. Of course, the same would obviously apply to Drew. In both cases, it appears that the Lakers have opted to stay with their talented big men, hoping that Pau is able to overcome and deal with the increased physicality teams are throwing against him and that Drew will be able to stay healthy and develop into the dominant center they hope he will become.
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TOM

Pau does not have necessity to demonstrate nothing against Celtics, he is a safe factor playing play offs and during the regular season it only must dose itself.

Nuggets pidieron información sobre Gasol en su necesidad de traspasar a Melo, los Lakers contestaron que por ahí no iban a negociar nada.

Whatever TJ Simers says, you can bet your bottom dollar that he's flat wrong.

So, I was sort of ambivalent but not anymore.

PULL THE TRIGGER AND SIGN THE DEAL

Tom,

Drew, motivated? Really? Ever? I'm sorry I couldn't resist. I'm not a hater, but if had any true desire and was healthy, he'd be what we all would like him to be. No mo potential kid, show us what you got!

Melo for Bynum is CRAZY talk. We'd being giving up post presence, field goal percentage, size, intimidation, DEFENSE and a host of intangibles for a prolific scorer who plays NO DEFENSE! This is crazy talk. HARD WORK, MUSCLE, and HEART wins CHAMPIONSHIPS. Not Melo! A deal for Melo only makes sense if GASOL is the one being traded and we retain a BIG man in the deal.

Our only problem this year is the BABY-SOFT play of GASOL, the wandering soul of ARTEST, and the abuse opposing point guards inflict on FISHER. These are the Lakers most glaring LIABILITY'S.

GASOL and ARTEST/FISHER for:

Melo and NENE
Deng and NOAH
ALDRIDGE and Mathews
SMITH, HORFORD, Crawford
LOPEZ, Favors, and HARRIS
GRANGER and Foster/Collison
WEST and Ariza
BOGUT, MOUTE, Maggette

Thursday, Friday and Sunday games should show us what we got. Should be very interesting.


@KOBEMVP888... “What ever happened to the fight we were supposed to have? :)” LOL. Most of the bloggers who know both of us know realize that the last thing I would want to do is get into a battle with my counselor. Far better to agree to disagree than to trading punches with a big hitter like you who along with CCX are probably the two bloggers with whom I agree almost always.
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Frankly, after how Pau has played the last 3 games, I have become ambivalent about the trade. At the same time, I can easily see how the masses as CCX calls them would rally around trading Drew for Melo. After all, they are all now trumpeting the same reasons I first posted about how the trade could extend the Lakers and Kobe’s championship window and make the Lakers a tougher team.
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Bottom line, like you and CCX, I put my faith in Mitch and the Lakers brain trust. They know far better than anybody on this blog what each player brings to the table and, more importantly, what they can expect from them going forward. If they vote to stand pat or make a trade, I will support them as always. In Buss, we trust. In the end, what this will do is wake up the Lakers team and give Pau AND Drew and all of the Lakers a good kick in the rear to pick it up and start playing championship level basketball to get properly ready for the real season when the playoffs start.
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TOM

People tend to forget recent history. Befofore Drew came back it was a layup line for opponents to the rack. Getting Melo will add some points but you give that up in layups. Might as well hand the chip to the Septics. They will have the size advantage in the post. Think about that.
We need to dump deadweight and add servicable players.

"Even though he's not good looking..." ouch. Tobey's right though. How many times have we seen Pau get the ball down low and then try to finger roll it home rather than going for the dunk? You go for the dunk and they call the foul. You go for the finger roll (even if you scream like Kobe) and no foul is called. Listen to Tobey Pau!

This trade is an absolute must...

I also say no trade.

Although Melo on the Lakers would be intriguing, losing Bynum would cost us dearly in the post season. Especially a motivated Bynum. The last time anyone with clout in the Lakers organization proposed to "ship his ** out", Andrew re-motivated himself and became a beast. I expect Bynum will step it up again.

dan

MM
Appreciate the response but I still don't know how you can back those bspn league sources when the fact of the matter remains they are still "unnamed".. Does that not mean neither I nor I can legitimacy of those sources and since they'll never be revealed neither one of us can factually say they are true? Unless of course u know something we don't

But at least u acknowledge they may have an agenda just like the media has its own agenda of blowing a story to extreme levels which would be an understatement in this case.... Take for example articles among many others that's stated kobe and phil would support a melo trade as if they've actually said it so???!! So yes this is not the first or last time espn who initially launched the story and the nba being under contract have had similar agendas... But as a reporter urself of course I don't expect you to go renegade and throw ur fellow reporters under the bus.. Working for the espn evil empire is probably a dream job for most all reporters anyways right? LoL.. But sorry if I'm rambling again.

LakerTom wants to trade Pau - holy smokes, Tom - you're a really nice guy and it's hard to come down on you, so I'll let others do it.

If Denver would take Drew and Melo would sign an X with the Lakes, you do this trade yesterday. Now I know that we'd lose seven feet . . . . . so what? He's really not working out, is he?

Oh - hello everyone. All my best (hic).

I love the trade to go down because of this only reason, anything else [expletive] it!

BLACK & MELO! BLACK & MELO! BLACK & MELO!
You know what it is!! LMAO!!

Brylle

@LBROB
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“There have been talks between the Lakers and Nuggets. In fact, the Lakers declined to continue an informal discussion of Anthony for Pau Gasol, opting to keep the All-Star that helped them win consecutive championships instead of potentially bringing aboard a different one, though there was never anything officially on the table.”
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Would you also characterize the Lakers as being unappreciative and disrespectful of Pau Gasol’s value and contribution to the team to discuss trading him for Melo after a “bad stretch” of games this season? Here’s the point I want to make. Yes, I did heavily criticize Pau for how he was playing and blamed a good deal of the Lakers struggles on his play, which is what triggered my proposal to trade him for Melo, a proposal that most bloggers immediately railed against.
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The very next day, however, Mitch Kupchak came out and that because the team was playing so poorly, he would be open to considering a trade. Now it comes out that among the trades he had considered (and rejected) was a trade of Pau Gasol for Melo. You have characterized my proposal to trade Pau for Melo as being unappreciative and disrespectful of Pau Gasol. It seems like Mitch Kupchak was then also being unappreciative and disrespectful of Pau to talk about trading him.
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TOM
Posted by: LakerTom | February 09, 2011 at 10:15 AM
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No I wouldn't say Mitch was being disrespectful. He was approached about an opportunity and turned it down.

Bottom line, like you and CCX, I put my faith in Mitch and the Lakers brain trust. They know far better than anybody on this blog what each player brings to the table and, more importantly, what they can expect from them going forward. If they vote to stand pat or make a trade, I will support them as always. In Buss, we trust.

Posted by: LakerTom | February 09, 2011 at 11:40 AM
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Exactly. They are the professionals; we are the amateurs. Under the guiding hand of Jerry Buss, the Lakers have been to the NBA Finals 16 times in 31 years and have 10 championships. Dr. Buss is arguably the greatest North American professional sports owner in history. I have an even higher admiration for him after reading his daughter's book. The fact that he is in the Hall of Fame truly says it all. His ability to delegate and trust his GM and head coach is a tribute to his successful style as an owner. It is why Phil Jackson has been a perfect match for this team because he has the same trust with his players, a rarity. While Dr. Buss can be loyal to a fault (e.g, Luke, Sasha, Brian Cook), he is a man of principle as he demonstrated with Trevor Ariza's agent and with the Lamar Odom negotiations. My only concern at this point is that he has become so hands off that we are now pretty much at Jim Buss's mercy for basketball decisions. 63 Footer gave us some troubling insight into Jim, but his sister his quite praiseworthy of him in her book. I'm sure Dr. Buss will be there for the big decisions though. Let's hope so.

All this trade talk is ridiculous...you don't change horses in the middle of a river...

This was written:

People tend to forget recent history. Befofore Drew came back it was a layup line for opponents to the rack. Getting Melo will add some points but you give that up in layups. Might as well hand the chip to the Septics. They will have the size advantage in the post. Think about that.
We need to dump deadweight and add servicable players.

my response: Before Drew came back, coach Pearson had not modified the
defensive scheme. Can we please talk about both of these things?

re: Celtics & size.

http://www.nba.com/celtics/roster/2010-2011-roster.html

Celtics Front Line is: KG, Perkins & Davis. [ not including the O'neals. ]
6'11 253, 6'10 280 & 6'9 290

If you played Artest at PF, the frontline would be Pau, Odom & Artest
7'0 250, 6'10 230, 6'7 260

I think I'm going to take this year's Odom over Perkins in that matchup.
Remember, Odom played C for team USA.

This was written:

All this trade talk is ridiculous...you don't change horses in the middle of a river...

my response: you mean like picking up Pau Gasol after Bynum got hurt?

This was written:

Bottom line, like you and CCX, I put my faith in Mitch and the Lakers brain trust. They know far better than anybody on this blog what each player brings to the table and, more importantly, what they can expect from them going forward. If they vote to stand pat or make a trade, I will support them as always. In Buss, we trust.

my response: You mean like the acquisitions of Vladmir Radmonavic, Smush
Parker & Kwame Brown?

Can we be honest? The Lakers front office have made some great choices
and some bone-headed ones also.

If we win this year, it will look like a push. If we win this year and next year
it will look like a wise decision. If we lose this year, we will all curse the FO
for being foolish in not making the trade.

The long & short is: Bynum's fans say don't trade him because of his potential.
You may also refer to them as the GHFers. They will tell you *anything*
because they believe & they only pay attention to things that support that
belief.

Bynum's non-fans say we've been waiting to kick him to the curb and this is
a fantastic opportunity. Yes, Virginia. The Glass is Half Empty.

Basketball fans say: There are pros & cons. Depending on which you think is
greater you make the appropriate decision.

*I* choose to believe that athleticism & talent out weigh size. ref. Bulls vs.
Lakers with the smaller MJ picking the pocket of the larger Magic.

If he doesn't get traded, we will all bitch & moan. The GHFers will continue
to talk about his potential. They will drown out the screams of anguish from
the rest of the fans, by saying that we need to give him a chance & he's still
developing. They have the loudest voices. Everyone else will be silently
furious at the STUPID BONE-HEADED SCREWED-UP lack of thought
process that caused us not to pick up one of the best players in the NBA because
of a seemingly dis-interested young man with bad knees.

Dr. Jerry Buss will *still* be taking our $$ !

@LROB... We’re fine as far as I am concerned. I respect your basketball knowledge and appreciate your balanced posts. What I found demeaning in your comments was the implication that I was a Pau Gasol basher and that my criticism of Pau was solely to make Drew appear better, which is a position that I will vehemently attack regardless of source because it is patently unfair and wrong. For you to claim that you do not believe me is your right, as it is mine to be offended. This is the first time that I have ever advocated trading Pau Gasol and it has nothing to do with Drew. It had to do with his subpar play and attitude for the first half of this season and the opportunity to obtain a player who could extend the team’s and Kobe’s championship window by several years, a rallying cry now ironically embraced by most of the blog now that it is Drew and not Pau on the block.
...
Since you’re such a fan of the archives, you should go back and see how valiantly I defended Pau against the slurs and defamations from ouchhhhhhhhhhhh and his band of real Pau Gasol bashers. While I have been hard on Pau when he played soft and point blank dislilke his tendency to not challenge penetrating guards because of fear of getting into foul trouble, I have clearly said that at his best he is the top power forward in the league and I would not trade him for any player other than Carmelo Anthony. I also said that if Pau starts to play harder and defend tougher, then I would not make the trade. In the last 3 games, we have seen great improvement in Pau’s attitude. The test in my mind will come Thursday against the Celtics in Boston. It will be a critical game for both Pau and Drew as the basketball world will be focused on the Lakers and Carmelo Anthony. Trust me, I will be rooting for both Pau and Drew to have great games. I seriously wonder if all Lakers fans can say the same thing, especially those who always have Drew in their sights.

Posted by: LakerTom | February 09, 2011 at 11:07 AM
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LT,

I know you've supported Pau and that's why I was shocked when YOU initiated trade conversations. You were so frustrated that you made some very harsh comments. When others challenged those comments you said it was okay for them to call you a Pau basher. (I'm paraphrasing).

MVP, Corner J, PLG, Truth and others were also SHOCKED. They mentioned it to you but you would not be deterred. You said you had no more confidence in Pau.

If you say you weren't putting Pau down to elevate Drew's status then I'll have to accept your word. But yes that was my perception.

Perhaps my perception was heavily influenced by your Drew for All-Star campaign (which immediately preceded the trade talks). You attacked anyone that felt Drew was not deserving of an all-star position. When many here said Blake Griffin was more deserving you went off. You started talking about weaknesses in Blake's game. You even told me that maybe I should start a Blake Griffin bandwagon.

Anyway as you mentioned, its all good with us. I know you love the Lakers first and foremost. And we both agree that whatever decisions the FO will make we'll still be behind the team 100% .

somewhere hobbit is cracking up reading this :-)

This was written:
All this trade talk is ridiculous...you don't change horses in the middle of a river...
my response: you mean like picking up Pau Gasol after Bynum got hurt?
Posted by: hobbitmage |
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hobbitmage,

To take that a step further, how about these trades that were done mid season and propelled those teams to a championship.

All of these were done in Mid Feb.

1. Rasheed Wallace, 2003-04 Pistons: The Pistons acquired Wallace from the Atlanta Hawks and Mike James from the Boston Celtics on Feb. 19, 2004. At the time, Detroit was 34-22. After the trade, the Pistons went 20-6, including two eight-game winning streaks. The Pistons were heavy underdogs in the NBA Finals against the Lakers, but won 4-1.

2. Clyde Drexler, 1994-95 Rockets: The Rockets acquired Clyde Drexler (and forward Tracy Murray) from the Portland Trail Blazers for veteran forward Otis Thorpe, a 1995 first round draft choice and the draft rights to forward Marcelo Nicola on Feb. 14, 1995. Houston, the defending champion, was 30-17 at the time of the trade, but were under .500 after the trade (17-18). Houston was the No. 6 seed in the West, overcoming a 2-1 deficit to Utah in the first round and a 3-1 deficit to the Suns in the Western Conference semifinals. Houston survived five elimination games and eventually swept the Orlando Magic in the NBA Finals to become the lowest seeded team to win the NBA title (seeding began in 1984).

3. Mark Aguirre, 1988-89 Pistons: The Pistons traded Adrian Dantley and a 1991 first-round pick to the Mavericks for Mark Aguirre on Feb. 15, 1989. Aguirre played a key role for the 1988-89 Pistons, who were 32-13 before the trade, and 31-6 after. Detroit went 15-2 in the postseason, sweeping the Lakers in the 1989 NBA Finals.

4. Mychael Thompson, 1986-87 Lakers: Thompson was traded by the Spurs to the Lakers for Frank Brickowski, Petur Gudmundsson, a 1987 first-round draft pick and a 1990 second-round draft pick on Feb. 13, 1987. The Lakers were 37-12 before the trade and went 28-5 the rest of the regular season on their way to the title.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bulls/post/_/id/3178/four-trades-that-helped-win-nba-titles

This was written:
All this trade talk is ridiculous...you don't change horses in the middle of a river...
my response: you mean like picking up Pau Gasol after Bynum got hurt?
Posted by: hobbitmage |
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Once again I'm disappointed in your post hobbit...How can you compare those 2 scenarios...

Our center was Kwame after AB went down...Do you really think our present situation is close to that in 2008? Seriously...and that is my response.

Of course I kind of understand, for this present squad will never please you...the only line up that would...15 Kobes on our team...lol

EVERYBODY LET'S BREAK UP THIS TEAM...

They stink...they are only the 3rd best record in the West, and 4th over all...

They have no change of winning the championship...never mind this is the same core that has been to 3 Finals and winning back to back championships...

What a joke!!! What a bunch of spoiled and demanding fans...I bet fans of Dallas, Portland, Suns, and probably the rest of the league and lo0k at us Laker fans and laugh...you guys are just as bad as Chowder fans last year wanting to trade and break up the team after KG went down...but what happened...they almost beat us in a game 7...I wish the Chowder front office listened to their fans and broke up that team...then we wouldn't have gotten the scare we did last year...

hobbit - there you go again giving Persons the credit for the better defense...and not giving the kid Andrew no credit...

If you want a disclaimer anytime anyone posts about AB being a presence in the middle, with Persons making an adjustment in the defense...

Then you do the same when you talk about Persons making the adjustment...make sure to include how the defense has gotten better since AB came back...

I won't hold my breath though...we all know how much you dislike the kid...reiterated with your post 1:18...and don't try to spin it as anything else...there is a multitude of topics to chose, and of course you picked AB again, and taking credit away to give it to Persons...so you can say different, but it's obvious your dislike for the kid with the history of posts you have done on the topic...

This was written:

People tend to forget recent history. Befofore Drew came back it was a layup line for opponents to the rack. Getting Melo will add some points but you give that up in layups. Might as well hand the chip to the Septics. They will have the size advantage in the post. Think about that.
We need to dump deadweight and add servicable players.

my response: Before Drew came back, coach Pearson had not modified the
defensive scheme. Can we please talk about both of these things?

re: Celtics & size.

http://www.nba.com/celtics/roster/2010-2011-roster.html

Celtics Front Line is: KG, Perkins & Davis. [ not including the O'neals. ]
6'11 253, 6'10 280 & 6'9 290

If you played Artest at PF, the frontline would be Pau, Odom & Artest
7'0 250, 6'10 230, 6'7 260

I think I'm going to take this year's Odom over Perkins in that matchup.
Remember, Odom played C for team USA.

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My response is Odom played Euro ball when playing center and Perkins will body LO out of the post in NBA ball. Then you discount both O'Neils. Pulease..... need to get serious.

This was written:
All this trade talk is ridiculous...you don't change horses in the middle of a river...
my response: you mean like picking up Pau Gasol after Bynum got hurt?
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My response is...we did not change horses but added another horse. By the way who won the Chip that year, with Bynum injured?


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