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Lakers Q&A: Brian Shaw interested in succeeding Phil Jackson as Lakers coach

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This is the fourth post in an occasional series of Q&As with a member of the Lakers organization. Below is a recent conversation with Lakers Assistant Coach Brian Shaw, who's in charge of game preparations for contests against the Golden State Warriors, Memphis Grizzlies, Phoenix Suns, Minnesota Timberwolves, Orlando Magic, Atlanta Hawks and Chicago Bulls.

You told [the L.A. Times' Mike Bresnahan] that this isn't something you're thinking about now, but obviously there's a strong possibility you'll be considered to take over as Lakers head coach. What kind of qualities do you think you'd bring as a head coach if that opportunity came up?

Like you prefaced it, I don't really think about it at this point because there're so many unknown things and factors. There could be a lockout and not be a season. Phil may decide to come back again. I'm sure every coach that's out there, big-name coaches and otherwise, would come running for the job. Who wouldn't want to be the head coach of the Lakers? I don't really consume my thoughts with that.

I would like to think that, if it did happen, [one of] the qualities I would bring is patience. From being around Phil and watching how he deals with the players. ... He has tenure and he has championships and experience that players respect because they know he's been there and done it more than anybody has. He's dealt with personalities, very strong personalities both in Chicago and here and been able to make it work.

I sit back and watch how he deals with [players and] how his relationships are with his players. The game I think has evolved. It's less X's and O's. I've played basketball and have been coaching basketball long enough now to understand everything that goes on on the court. What it's evolved more into now is managing different personalities and egos and all the other stuff that goes with it. When Phil played and,  early on, when I played, you didn't have guys doing reality shows, guys with cellphones, pagers and tweeting and guys with their whole bodies tattooed and crazy hairstyles that are part of the game now. You didn't have so many young guys that came out of high school or one year removed from college. Now, a lot of coaching goes into being able to deal with all of those types of issues, and a lot of the spotlight is taken off the X's and O's and who can make this mix of guys work and control these personalities.

I presume it's fair to say, though, that if they approached you about the job, you'd be interested?

No question (laughs). No question about it. It would be a dream for anybody. I consider this one of the top three jobs in all of professional sports. If you're the head coach of the Lakers, it's probably the best job in basketball. If you're the manager of the New York Yankees -- or in football, arguably [it's] the coach of the Cowboys, they say that's America's team. Those three jobs are probably the most prestigious and sought-after jobs in all of sports.

When you were interviewing with Cleveland this summer, what did you get out of that process?

It was just the experience of going through the interview process, for one. I had mixed emotions about even going for the interview. ... To be an assistant coach here in L.A. with a team that's built like this team is built and the kind of success this team has -- as opposed to being a head coach for the first time in a situation like that in Cleveland. Since I went out there for the interview, I sensed LeBron wasn't coming back. I'm a California guy, born and raised in California. You go from California weather to Cleveland weather, all the stuff that's going on here and what's not going on there, and with him not coming back. ...

For the experience of it, that was one thing you take away from the interview. Also, getting an idea of what other management around the league think of you as a person, as a coach and what your reputation is as a coach. To be in the process that long to the very end, the more situations you go through like that, the more comfortable you get with it, and you know what to expect and what not to expect.

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It's been reported that the possibility of LeBron James leaving Cleveland didn't trickle into their minds. Did that play a variable in any way in terms of them seeming to lack a contingency plan?

It did. They asked me a bunch of questions. It was three of the owners, the general manager and assistant GM. For the first day, my interview went from 3:30 p.m. to midnight. We took a break at 8 p.m. or 8:30 p.m. to have dinner, but we still kept talking. The interview was still going on, but we didn't finish until midnight. Then my agent flew in the next day, and we interviewed again the second day from about 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. They were grilling me, question after question and situation after situation: "What would you do in this situation if you called a play and LeBron waved you off" and all these kind of things. What I tried to explain to them was everything they were asking me and described to me, I've been through it with Kobe here in L.A. When he came up on being a free agent, when Phil's called plays and he's waved it off, I've had experience dealing with a high-level player like that. I've had experience dealing with that.

After they asked me all the questions they asked me, they finally said, "Is there anything you'd to ask us?" That's when I took the opportunity to say, "In the two days I've been here and all the questions you've been asking me, we haven't brought up the fact there's a very good possibility that LeBron will not be back. So all the discussion has been with LeBron being here. What are you all ready to do as a contingency plan if he does not return to the team?" It just got silent. I don't want to say nobody had any idea, but they didn't want to address that issue. That was a concern for me because I already had the sense he wasn't coming back.

Once they said he was doing his press conference on ESPN in Connecticut, I thought to myself, 'If he was doing it in Cleveland, and he was going to say in Cleveland that he was going to another team to play, it wouldn't go too well. If he does it in Cleveland, it means he's coming back to Cleveland. If he doesn't do it in Cleveland, it means he's going elsewhere, and he doesn't want to be there for when everything comes down.' It was a concern for me once they didn't really address what direction the team was going to go in and how the team was going to be constructed and built going forward if he didn't return.

Going back to what you described coaching the Lakers as a top-three position, what have you gotten from ... working with high-level talent like Kobe, working under Phil and being part of the championship teams that come with it ?

[It's] value that's added that some other coaches who are in different programs don't have on their résumé. You come in here every day and see all the banners. You're working with Kareem, and you see James Worthy, Magic, Kurt was here, and Jerry West and Gail Goodrich still come around. Then you have our coaching staff, Phil Jackson, Jim Cleamons and Frank Hamblen, who have multiple championships. Even our trainers, Gary Vitti and Chip Schaefer. On every level, you have guys who've won from the past,  players who are still around and have a presence here, our announcers, our coaches, the players. Being in a big market in a high-profile place like Los Angeles, if you can survive here and get through all that, you can survive anywhere. If you're coming from Milwaukee and you are applying for the job here in L.A., you can coach and what have you, but you're still not accustomed to all the extracurricular stuff that's available here and goes on here. Some players come to L.A. from other teams and they get turned out by L.A. because there's so much going on, it can be overwhelming.

It's sink or swim. If you throw somebody in a river, they sink or swim. If you can swim in L.A. or somewhere like New York, you can make it anywhere. That's something that I have on my side, and being exposed to all this and being around it, I'll be able to take advantage of it.

Do you think that can offset not having had head-coaching experience?

Exactly.

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You were the head coach for two preseason games against Golden State when Phil had the flu. What did you learn from that?

Just organization. The biggest thing is during timeouts, being efficient with the directions you want to give the guys before you go out on the floor and just being organized in telling the rest of the staff how you want things done. Our system and the way things are structured is already set in place. It wasn't that big of an adjustment for me to have to coach those two games in the preseason.

Did Phil give you any feedback?

I called him after the second game, and he said it was a game I shouldn't have put the starters back at the end ... because our bench got us into back in the game. The Warriors were beating us by about 20 and we came back. He always puts the guys who start in the game in to finish the game, so I said the same thing. It's preseason, and he said the way those starters were playing, they didn't deserve to come back in the game. I was like, "Well you can afford to lose games in the preseason because you have a million wins. This is my first opportunity. I want to win." That was it.

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When you're scouting the teams, does the preparation entail following them throughout the whole season, or do you devote certain stretches to each team?

The club gets us all the DirecTV basketball package. Even on nights when we have games at home, we still have to watch one of those seven teams play to keep up with what they're doing. As the season progresses, coaches start to put in more offense. Sometimes they change their defense. Sometimes they change their personnel. You just have to stay up with all the things they're doing. That's the main thing, just staying on top of it. What you really home in and focus on is really about five games before. Phil likes us to watch the team's last five games leading into when we play them. Our reports are based on what we've done in the last five games. What makes it tough is if you have three or four in a row, you're watching this five, and you have to write the report up for this team. Then it's a back to back, and the next night you're watching another one of your games. You sometimes have so much going on, it's like you mix up the play calls. After you've been doing it for a while, and especially if the team has the same coach, you start to understand the little intricacies of their offense and tendencies and things like that and the actions the coach likes to run.

You decided to help out with scouting after you retired from playing. How did that opportunity come up?

My last two years of playing, Frank Hamblen used to always tell me, "You're going to be a coach." He used to always tell me, "You need to come in and start watching film with the coaching staff and see how we put together these scouting reports." I started to do that, and he would give me reports the coaches would have and explain to me how they were doing things. When I finished playing in 2003, I talked to Phil about staying on and coaching. He said I needed to take some time away from the guys so that they would respect me as a coach. I had just finished playing with all of them so they would just know me as a teammate with the guys on that particular team. We talked to Mitch and there was an opening in scouting in the West region, so I was doing mostly college evaluations, going to a lot of college games, tournaments and sending in evaluations on the players and who I thought was draftable and what have you.

Then as the college season ended, I would do advance scouting where I would go out and whoever we were playing in the playoffs, I would stay one playoff series ahead of who we were. So in the first round, I was scouting who we could possibly play in the second round and so on. After doing that for a year and a half, Phil came back. He said, "OK, you have enough time and distance away from the guys and the only guy on the team still was Kobe, basically. Devean George was still on the team. It was all new guys so they could respect me as a coach.

You're removed further from that with each season, but how has that dynamic evolved?

With [Fisher and Bryant], it's different because I played with them, and I think Phil understands that. When there're times where there's stuff going on with the team internally and what have you, I may still go out and have dinner or something with them. We talk as teammates, but they still respect me as a coach. The other part of it is, your mind says, "You can still play, and you still feel young." There's part of you sometimes that still wants to hang out and do some of the things they do, but then the flip side of that is, once you do that, you can't discipline them or be hard on them when you need to be hard on them. If you're hanging out with them, then they're like, "You were with me last night and you're trying to boss me around and tell me what to do." There's a line, and you have to be careful not to cross it.

Do you participate in practices, or are you removed from that as well?

I did all the way up until last year. ... We'd have a few injuries, and I'd fill in and scrimmage for them a little bit. For the next week, my knee would be swollen, and I'd be all sore. I hurt something. Jim Cleamons, [special assistant] Craig Hodges would say you have to go on and let it go. You're not a player anymore. This year, I've given it up. I actually went and saw Dr. Lombardo after the season was over and got an MRI. I never had surgery at all the whole time I played and he said I had some tears from all the wear and tear from all the years in playing and that you're going to get both of your knees scoped, especially if you want to stay active and keep playing. I just decided, I don't want to start getting surgery since I played 14-15 years and never got surgery. I'll just stop playing. So I've given it up.

Now when Frank said he saw you as someone who'd be a good coach, did he give any indication of what he saw in you?

We never really talked about it. When people ask me how did I get into coaching, I always give him credit for saying that. Every level, when I was in college and high school, my coach always said I'd be a coach one day. I never thought much about it. But Frank insisted on it when I was here and it was something he saw in me. I'd just leave it at that.

The way Mitch and Phil have described you, it's reflects how people describe Phil in having a calming presence, managing people well and not being afraid to criticize the players. What's been your approach with that?

What you see is what you get. I'm very honest. I think people respect that about me. In all the years I played, I had a relationship with [players, from] the star of the team to the 12th man on the team. When I was playing here, Mark Madsen or Slava Medvedenko, we could go out to dinner, hang out and have a good time. Mark didn't drink and didn't dance or party. No caffeine, didn't cuss or anything like that. But he still would say, "Hey do you want to see a movie?" I could go out and see a movie or I could go to the other extreme and go to a party or rap concert with Shaq and hang out. I just always was the voice of the underdog because I felt that was always me. With Shaq, there was a time we were playing San Antonio in the playoffs, and there was a game they beat us in San Antonio. After the game, Shaq was [angry] and was yelling at Devean George for a mistake he made in the game. Devean wasn't playing a whole lot then. He was a young player. And I thought the way Shaq was getting on him was unfair to Devean.

When I looked at the stat sheet and saw Malik Rose was having eight or 10 offensive rebounds and that was Shaq's man, I went over and defended Devean. Shaq and I were tight, but I went over and said, "Hey, instead of putting the blame on Devean, who only played five minutes in the game, if you would've blocked out Malik Rose, he wouldn't have gotten all those offensive rebounds. Maybe we would've won the game then." ... When I jumped in and stood up for Devean, Shaq charged me. We were wrestling around in the locker room. He skinned my knees all up, and he dragged me around, but I defended Devean because I felt that was the right thing to do.

I've never been afraid to, whether it's Kobe or Phil for that matter, if I see something that I don't think is right, I'm going to say it. You can reprimand me or what have you. But in the end, Shaq came back a couple days later. He didn't talk to me for a couple days, but he came back and was like, "My bad. You're right. I shouldn't have done that." Devean was happy I stood up for him, so I think the guys I've worked for and played with respect that about me.

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This is much different team compared with the three-peat years [in 1999-2002]. But the last season of that three-peat, is there anything this current team can take away from that?

There's a natural complacency that comes in and takes place because you've been there a couple of times in a row and you naturally say, "We know what it takes, and when it's time, we'll flip the switch." As a coach, you don't want your team to do that. You want them to play at their highest level all the time. There was a similarity with that in terms of our group compared to this group. One of the areas you could contrast though was when our group lost a game, you knew we were [angry because] the next game that we played, we came out and took care of business. This team this year [has] had two different four-game losing streaks. That raises a flag with me in terms of, you'd expect for them to come out and be mad. You don't always see that with this team.

This team is a lot nicer than our team was. Pau [Gasol], as skilled as he is as a basketball player and as one of the best big men in the world, he's a nice guy. That's not to knock him. He's a nice guy. So is Andrew [Bynum]. Andrew is a nice guy. On the court, you want your biggest guys to be your nastiest guys. So that's a little bit different for us too when your toughest guys on the team play the smallest positions with Fisher, Kobe and Ron [Artest], they're guards and at small forward. They're the toughest guys on the team. Usually, your enforcers are your big guys.

So how do they go about adding more meanness to their game?

They're not going to change. Fortunately for us, they're skilled and talented enough. The other guys around them are skilled and talented enough to overcome that. The 2008 series against Boston, they just punked us. They just knocked us around, and they punked us. I think we took that experience and we grew from it. That summer, Pau went in the weight room. You can get stronger, but that's not going to change his personality. He's not going to come back and be a big nasty UFC fighter. That's not who he is. But you have to understand when you're out there between those lines on the basketball court, nobody is going to pull out a knife and stab you, and nobody is going to pull out a gun and shoot you. The worst thing that's going to happen is you may catch an elbow or you may get pushed down on the ground. If somebody goes overboard, you may get punched. But it's going to be something you can recover from, and that's part of the game. In terms of all that, trying to be a thug on the basketball court and punk people and physically manhandle them and push them around, the game of basketball if you have skills and talent, you can overcome that and get around that. That's what they're able to do.

-- Mark Medina

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E-mail the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com

Photo: Lakers assistant coach Brian Shaw acknowledged interest in succeeding Phil Jackson as Lakers Coach. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times.

Photo: Shaw said he expected LeBron James to leave Cleveland. Credit: Hans Dery / Reuters

Photo: Lakers point guard Derek Fisher and assistant coach Brian Shaw, who took over head coaching duties with Phil Jackson ill, discuss strategy during Friday night's exhibition game against the Warriors. Credit: Mark J. Terrill / Associated Press / October 23, 2010

Photo: Brian Shaw believes the Lakers need to be more upset after losses. Credit: Barbara Davidson / Los Angeles Times

Photo: Brian Shaw played for the Lakers from 1999 - 2003, including the 2001-2002 championship team.

 
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History repeats to the same patterns, but evolving from them to a more perfected reality, round after
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we take within the future. It's a great life to be a Lakers Fan. Sorry others: you just can't compete. Still
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gear. Knows he's got several more gears, but sees no need to even try them now. Hasn't even floored
it yet when the NBA cops aren't looking, but knows he can lay a patch of smoke & rubber a block
long if he ever needs it. But yeah, Sonny Belfast, Phil knows (and YOU know) he may not even need
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They are looking squarely in the others direction while they simultaneously brush aside any with the
misguided notion that they are also contenders. It is the same as how Bruce Lee will casually vanquish all of
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forged in the 4th QUARTER. Franchises are defined in the 4th QUARTER. Dynasties are cemented
in the 4th QUARTER. Sit back & watch PJ, Kobe & Fish orchestrate this symphony we call Lakers
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We’re the World Champion LA Lakers , we’ve won (16) Rings
(10) of the 50 Greatest players played under our wings
We’re on Lakers Dynastiy Number (4) and counting by the way
We have more Dynasties than others have Titles in the NBA
Best Winning Percentage in History is part of Laker Lore
You want Hall of Fame Coaches, Check it we’ve had (Four)
Weve appeared in Half of all the Finals there have ever Been
We’re the Freakin LA Lakers and all we do is Win baby WIN!
We got the (2) Time Finals MVP, Black Mamba Kobe Bryant
He scored more points than an entire team without even trying
He scored 81 points in a game & could have scored More
But Rings not number of points is what Mamba plays for.
With Pau Gasol lending The Mamba a helping hand
The Lakers will continue going to that Finals promised land
We got a man giving up his Championship Ring for Charity
Ron Artest, Great basketball Player & Human Being is He
We got The Logo Jerry West & 1st Great center George Mikan
The Legendary Elgin Baylor & Magic Johnson the Icon.
We’ve had all the great centers like Shaq, Wilt & Kareem
Super Stars Worthy, Goodrich & Silk played on the Laker Team
Karl Malone & Gary Payton, A glove & Mailman we just Leased
(11) time Title Winning HOF Coach, who mastered Zen in the East
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Now he’s Broadcasting from Heaven & is in the Hall of Fame
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We play for Rings & Rings only , which is why teams FEAR US
That’s just a summary of our Resume, we don’t talk we Do.
We’re The Freakin Champion LA Lakers, Who the Hell are You

OUTSTANDING POST MM!!!!

MM,

Nice post!

JohnnyV,

you wrote: Yes I think Kobe and Melo would do some MAJOR damage if they played together. The fear I have with those two is that I'm not convinced that Melo has a high level commitment to defense and THAT is a difference maker in the finals.

I find it interesting that with Kobe and Melo, it would be very near what the Heat have in LeBron and Wade. An extremely high level 2 and 3. While I like the array, we are gearing up to play the Celts, not the Heat.

I haven't given up on Pau (I am convinced his problems are Girlfriend related). I am also pretty confident that Artest will turn it up two notches in the playoffs. He had the same problems last year and we chalked it up to learning the triangle and his feet.

my response in reverse order:

1st. I haven't said trade *anyone*. :)

2nd. re: a commitment to defense.

Do either Pau or Bynum look like they're committed to defense right now?
Defense is about hustle & position and I don't see either of those when
I look at Bynum or Pau. Can they play defense? Yep. Have they played
defense? Yep. Do they want to play defense?

I can't really tell, because I keep seeing the Lakers play 4 on 5 while waiting
for our bigs to make it back from the offensive end.

Wouldn't it be nice to see Bynum with a 30-30 game? I'd take a 20-20
game.

Hey, how about seeing them put their head down and actually run/sprint
back to get in position?

MM-Dude....this was a GREAT POST.

RE: KOBE WAVING PLAYERS AND COACHES OFF…
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Here is a very revealing and interesting quote from Brian Shaw regarding the Cavaliers brain trust asking him what he would do if he called a play and LeBron waved him off:

“They were grilling me, question after question and situation after situation: ‘What would you do in this situation if you called a play and LeBron waved you off’ and all these kind of things. What I tried to explain to them was everything they were asking me and described to me, I've been through it with Kobe here in L.A. When he came up on being a free agent, when Phil's called plays and he's waved it off, I've had experience dealing with a high-level player like that. I've had experience dealing with that.”

It’s pretty naïve to say that the players on the floor should not defer to Kobe and even ignore it when he obviously wants them to get out of his way so he run an isolation off the pinch post. I mean this is Kobe Bryant we’re talking about and other than Derek Fisher, nobody tells him what to do, not even Phil Jackson. And like Jordan, out of fear and respect, no teammate wants to end up in Kobe’s crosshairs

The reality is that Kobe now and MJ before both operate under a completely different set of rules. They get a level of freedom from Phil that lets them do what they think best in return for a trust that they will do the right things for the team to win. It is that quid pro quo that is at the heart of Phil’s great success in managing the egos and talents of superstars. That’s why I think he was hesitant to criticize Kobe for not getting his teammates more involved. He trusts Kobe to realize that this was not the way to win.
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TOM

Hello Mamba24, you made my day with your roll call. It was exactly three years ago when Pau Gasol joined the Lakers. Well, not bad for three consecutive visit to the Finals and two Championships. For that alone, we should be forever to the contributions of the Catalan. Whatever happens this year, so be it. Lakers can't win all every year, they need to re-set also re-Phil. Meanwhile, I celebrate quietly with .....

http://www.beatlestube.net/video.php?title=When+I'm+Sixty-Four

@Laker Nation,

This team is a lot nicer than our team was. Pau [Gasol], as skilled as he is as a basketball player and as one of the best big men in the world, he's a nice guy. That's not to knock him. He's a nice guy. So is Andrew [Bynum]. ... Andrew is a nice guy. On the court, you want your biggest guys to be your nastiest guys.

So that's a little bit different for us too when your toughest guys on the team play the smallest positions with Fisher, Kobe and Ron [Artest], they're guards and at small forward. They're the toughest guys on the team.

I was almost on board the Kraken Bandwagon, unleash the Beast and that kind of Crap!
But now a coach on the team is calling them out and calling them 'nice' AKA Pussies!

I know Kobe, Ron, and Fish are Bad-Ass enforcers, but when the Bigs, are Girlie Girls, what can we do!!!!

Let these two Wussies live a week on the streets Of South Central, Watts, and Compton. If they survive, they can be Lakers for life, if not trade them for any Thug on the Nuggets,


BandWagon!!!

I love the pairing of Kobe and Carmelo, but trading one of the Lakers core players (Kobe, Pau, Lamar) should not be an option. You don't trade Magic/Kareem/Worthy or Manu/Duncan/Parker or Lebron/Wade/Bosh or Kobe/Pau/Lamar in the middle of a title run, let alone in the midst of a potential threepeat. Although Pau is struggling at the moment, he and Kobe have built some beautiful chemistry in the last few years. I wish Gasol was a bit tougher myself, but his basketball IQ and playmaking skills make him the perfect big man for the triangle. He is our PG in the post, and makes everyone around him better. It was only a couple months ago that he was playing at an MVP level, so I find it hilarious that fans would want to trade the second most important component of a team that made it to three straight finals. If (a big if) Kupchack is serious about making a trade, than there is only one possible option - trade Andrew Bynum. By my estimation, Bynum was the SIXTH most important Laker for the past couple championships, behind Kobe, Pau, Lamar, Artest/Ariza, and Fish, yet he makes more money than Lamar and Artest combined. If anyone is traded for Carmelo, it has to be Bynum.

The Nuggets want youth and draft picks, so trading Artest, Fish, Luke, Lamar, or Pau is out of the question. They were very high on Derrick Character, and actually had agreed to trade for him before the Lakers backed out. The Lakers can package Character (and possibly Ebanks), along with Bynum and several draft picks for Carmelo. If the Nuggets are interested in the potential of Anthony Randoph of the Knicks, than they should be salivating at Bynum's potential.

A trade for Carmelo would leave the Lakers thin up front, but they would still have their trade exception to sign a legit backup big man. Artest would also become expendable with Carmelo (and Barnes) on board.

Phil stated that Bynum will be a "career situational player" if he gets injured again. At $15 million salary, that is a frightening thought. Everything about Bynum's history and his body structure suggests he is injury prone. Even Bynum himself admitted so. If anyone gets traded, it should be Bynum, NOT Gasol. I would take the big three of Carmelo/Kobe/Gasol over Lebron/Wade/Bosh any day of the week. Oh, and add Lamar to our big three, and get ready for takeoff.

This was written:

It’s pretty naïve to say that the players on the floor should not defer to Kobe and even ignore it when he obviously wants them to get out of his way so he run an isolation off the pinch post. I mean this is Kobe Bryant we’re talking about and other than Derek Fisher, nobody tells him what to do, not even Phil Jackson. And like Jordan, out of fear and respect, no teammate wants to end up in Kobe’s crosshairs

my response: it's not that I super disagree with this post. There was an
article down ~ 1 year ago. A former bulls player who maybe a scout/coach
with the Lakers. I forget his name.

The reason why I bring this up, is because during the article he was critiquing
the Lakers game and the subject came up about what happened on the Bulls.
He stated that he had "refuted" [ for lack of a better word ] MJ, in terms of
basketball, for how he was playing at certain times.

I have seen Pau actually push back at Kobe during games. Although it's been
awhile.

It seems to me, and everyone should take this with an ocean of salt, that Kobe
wants teammates who want to win. You need to be competitive. You need
to play like you need to dominate. If you're not playing like that you're
wasting his time and valuable space.

Like I said, an ocean of salt. Be careful if you have high blood pressure.

@Mr. Laker..

You beat me to it, but that quote right there about the bigs says a lot...A whole lot............

@Art – Defer to Mitch…lol

@JovBatz44/Corner J – Be careful or soon they’ll package you guys up in a trade scenario also…lol.

@Mamba - Holding down the morning as usual. Carry on and brace yourself for some nice weather today :-)

@hobbit – good stuff. But if Pau is gone that means no more Ricky to tell us how Pau is better than Kareem.

@MVP – you’re right, that covered the gambit.

@Magia32 - Pau and Bump/Grind...now that's funny...but you know I'm feeling R.

Edwin Gueco

Right on at 8:50 AM!

MM

Great interview! Love B-Shaw!

MELO VS PIERCE & LEBRON
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Here is a great site where you can get game logs of head-to-head matchups between two NBA players.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi
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Melo and Paul Pierce seem to matchup pretty good. Pierce gets the edge with a higher shooting percentage but the stats are pretty even. Here is link to Melo vs. Paul Pierce:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=anthoca01&p2=piercpa01
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The stats for Melo vs. LeBron are also surprisingly even with a slight edge in ppg to LeBron. Here is the link to Melo vs. LeBron James:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=anthoca01&p2=jamesle01
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How about Artest vs. LeBron? Surprisingly, LeBron has a big edge in their head-to-head matchups.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=artesro01&p2=jamesle01
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How about Artest vs. Paul Pierce? Again, a surprising edge to Paul Pierce.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=artesro01&p2=piercpa01
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TOM

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THE END OF THE NBA TRADE DEADLINE (Feb 24th)

Before ridiculing, chastising, laugh at, rebuke, and/or reproach
Please take into consideration the extreme nature of this annual affliction
No cure has ever been found and scientists believe one never will.

It's starts at different times for different people but always crescendos into a volcanic eruption in the month of February

So please, please, I implore you to have mercy on us poor bloggers afflicted with this annual disease.

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Laker Truth, I agree with you. It is not easy to get rid of Gasol and Artest with the Nuggets or any team. It has to be painstakingly planned based on the new Coach. Let it put in the record, I'm not in favor of Brian Shaw. If I were the GM, all coaches have to be replaced with new coaching philosophy. I would go for a defensive-minded coach who will play the youth, so for speed from defense to easy offense. Let PJ bring with him his triangle, it did some great Championship runs for the Lakers and time to go for something new and exciting. Except for Kobe, I will go with sixty mantra, don't trust anybody above 30. You are just wasting money on luxury taxes.

Mamba24 Roll Call .. checking in!!!

This is a great game for the Lakers to begin their season with tonight. Coincidentally, it's the same team we played on Ring Night and we all remember how the team played after that for about 7 games. The Rockets play hard for 48 minutes, they are physical and we will also have to defend the perimeter. This is what the Lakers need to put the recent past behind them moving forward to Thursday night's meeting with San Antonio. So let's see if the Lakers can take the hard lessons they have learned leading to tonight's game and build on it.

1-2-3 RING! #17 coming up STRONG!!

All this sensible Carmelo Anthony talk of what he could bring the team. All this non-sensical talk about it ever happening. I guess it's fun to talk about.

@LAKER TRUTH - I enjoyed your post at 09:02 AM.

Yea...but when you get a player who is big, can equal their skills,
and.....
has a tude,

guys like Pau and Bynum are in trouble...

as the Cuz so demonstrated.

Go Kings!

Sonnybelfast

Great post MM!

Roll Call .. checking in!!! 1-2-3 RING! #17 coming up STRONG!! Posted by: KobeMVP888 | February 01, 2011 at 09:23 AM

Thank you sir...Carry On!

Thanks for the love on this post. Regarding the trade talk, getting Melo is both unrealistic salary cap wise and for the team dynamic. The Lakers already have a premier scorer in Kobe (and also someone who sags on defense). There's no reasons to another player who does that, which would just create inevitable conflicts on how the pie would be distributed

I hope that if ever Bryan Shaw suceeds Phil Jackson he will abandon the triangle offense so we can get a quality point guard to replace the ancient Fisher. It's about time that Kupchak think about a trade. This present team cannot compete with Spurs, Celtics, Mavericks, Heat, Magic or even the Bulls anymore. For those fans that compare the records of the previous champion teams to our team's record right now and says we should not panic at all WAKE UP! You've seen with your own eyes that they cannot beat any elite team at all period. Do you have to wait till the play-off to find out if they can beat a quality team? Why not make a change now before it's too late and just waste this season. Just like what the great Jerry West stated this team will not be in the championship mix anymore in the very near future.

@MAMBA24… Hope the personal 3-peat is still sizzling. What a pleasure to see you post roll call. You’re the heart and soul of this blog, Larry. Welcome back.
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@MM…. Great article on Brian Shaw. I loved the stories about BShaw standing up to Shaq. He has my vote to succeed Phil Jackson as the Lakers next head coach.
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TOM

The Lakers already have a premier scorer in Kobe (and also someone who sags on defense). There's no reasons to another player who does that, which would just create inevitable conflicts on how the pie would be distributed Posted by: Mark Medina | February 01, 2011 at 09:34 AM
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Yes Melo would be good, but this also makes sense so...what's a brother to do? Whatcha gonna do Mitch? Whatcha gonna do?

Captain Paul Pierce :

"We`re not coming back to LA...because the Spurs will be in the Finals".

Posted by: Magia32 | February 01, 2011 at 07:47 AM

Seriously tho, at what point does *coach* Phil Jackson start getting pressured to perform? You don't trade a Pau, but what you can do is sit him for 1 or 2 straight quarters, to send Pau a message.
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All those championships give PJ a pass.

Repost:

MY 2 CENTS FROM THE FOLLOWING POST

Quote from Ron's bro, Rey Rey:

"But from my point of view, Laker "fans" are really Kobe fans. It makes me sick. Yes. Laker fans make me sick. Sometimes, I wish Ron was on another team..."

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Well guess what Rey Rey, sometimes so do we.

Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | January 31, 2011 at 10:05 AM
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Hey Rey Rey

Us Laker/Kobe fans have been together for the last 14+ years
This type of jealousy is undermining, just like when other Laker players speak before they think about what they say about Kobe.
He is an icon right there with Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and Magic Johnson

ANY QUESTIONS?

I think MM is probably right, no Melo to the Lakers.

However, packaging any combo of Artest, Blake, Brown, Ebanks, Caracter for a perimeter player who can create his own shot and hit from outside would do a lot for this team.
It doesn't need to be a superstar, but I'll leave it to someone else to come up with a potential prospect. Come on fantasy BB junkies, you guys know every player in the league.

Captain Paul Pierce : "We`re not coming back to LA...because the Spurs will be in the Finals". Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | February 01, 2011 at 09:42 AM
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Swagger, The Swagger!!! But seriously Red, I never did think the Captain was wrapped to tight. He's been hanging around the Lunatic too long. But then...ANYTHING POSSIBLES...except the Lakers not 3-Peating!!!! lol!!!

@MM - Excellent insight. Keep up the good work.


@Edwin – Good to hear from. Yep…I’ll celebrate with you.


@hobbit - I don't know if Craig Hodges is the player you were thinking of, but I do recall him "challenging" MJ about playing a certain way.

Inquiring Minds...

{WARNING}

Good post, funny and yet true.

@MAMBA24… Hope the personal 3-peat is still sizzling. Posted by: LakerTom | February 01, 2011 at 09:38 AM
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SAY WHAT????? Yes, Yes, Yes!! The Love of my life most certainly Relit my Fire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhXQAAPALPA

Mamba24,

Pau for Melo?

Celtic Nation is all for it!

Do it, Mitch! Do it! PLEASE DO IT!!!!

Prediction:

K-Mart has a career night and scores 55 points.

Scola tears em' up underneath.

Kobe gets T'd up...twice...out of the game.
Dx: Battier under the skin.

Lakers get swamped by 14 points.

No less than 100 trades are suggested, or demanded on Wednesday.

Can read about it all tomorrow.

Almost 1am here. Gotta get some sleep,
and be fresh in the morning when Cuz debrides
the Package Checker's Paula wound.

Sonnybelfast

@hobbit - I don't know if Craig Hodges is the player you were thinking of, but I do recall him "challenging" MJ about playing a certain way. Posted by: LRob | February 01, 2011 at 09:49 AM
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Well being from Chicago and having a Dad who was a huge Bulls fan and snubbed by the Bald headed Freak MJ. I can attest that it was indeed Craig Hodges which is one of the Major reasons besides wearing a Daishiki to the White house that he was Black balled by the NBA, which is also another reason I hate MJ's guts. And may I also say That Hodges is a terrific brother who does all kinds of things for the community and doesn't publicize it.

I hope and expect Brian Shaw to be the next coach of the Lakers. A couple of things I took away from the interview…

Standing up to the superstar when you’re a role player takes strength and character. BShaw has it!

Cleveland mgmt lack of preparation about the possible departure of Lebron partially explains why Gilbert went off. He was totally caught off guard…which violates Management 101 of always having a contingency plan.

Pau is what he is. All of us would like him to play tougher, but his skill set is good enough to get the job done. You don’t have to physically manhandle people or push them around to get the job done. Basketball is still first and foremost a game of skill. Pau has skills that aren’t easily duplicated.

Medina,

Salary cap wise, Carmelo and Bynum's salaries are only $4 million apart for this season. If Carmelo signs a max extension, the difference would increase to about $7 million, which is close to Artest's salary. I agree that a Carmelo trade is unrealistic, but if the Lakers wanted Carmelo bad enough, they could easily make it work. I would also not be surprised if Carmelo took a paycut to join Kobe and the Lakers.

I think Carmelo would be rejuvenated playing in LA. He has good lateral movement, and can become a good defensive player with the right focus and leadership, which Kobe will undoubtedly provide. Carmelo has had enough time to pile up his stats, and I think Carmelo's main priority now is to win titles. As far as shot distribution, similar to Wade and Lebron, they will find a way to make it work. We all saw Kobe change his game in the Olympics, focusing more on defense and distributing, and less on shooting. Carmelo considers Kobe an older brother, and I have no doubt that these two would be lethal as a combo.

Like usual, you underestimate Kobe's willingness to do whatever it takes to win. Once you get past the media created bullshit, I mean notion that all Kobe cares about is shot attempts, than you will hopefully understand that Kobe will change his game with Carmelo on board, as will Carmelo.

@MM… Thanks for chiming in on the Melo trade fantasies. I respectfully disagree with you about how Melo would fit in with the Lakers and I think this is the type of bold move that could infuse the franchise with more youth, toughness, and firepower and extend Kobe’s window for championships by years. Do you seriously think that Kobe would prefer to have Pau as his second fiddle over Carmelo Anthony?

A younger Melo would be a far better second option than an unmotivated weak and soft Pau Gasol, whose lack of hunger and passion is at the core of the team’s currently problem. It seems pretty obvious to me right now that the Celtics would have won last year had Kevin Garnett been fully healthy. And the best 5/4 combination so far this year has been Drew/Lamar, not Drew/Pau or Pau/Lamar.
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I won’t deny that the trade I am proposing is way outside the box but a straight up trade of Pau for Melo would be something that Denver could not resist considering they might end up getting nothing for a Top 5 player in the league. If it can be expanded to include Chauncey, that would also help solve the point guard dilemma at least for the short term. To me, this is move has Jerry Buss’ name all over it. An out-of-the-box bold move that just might be exactly what Jerry and Mitch are thinking.
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TOM

Mamba24, Pau for Melo? Celtic Nation is all for it! Do it, Mitch! Do it! PLEASE DO IT!!!! Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | February 01, 2011 at 09:56 AM
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What is this? Are you trying to use some of that reverse psychology of the Bald headed lunatic? Lol!

Another 4 games losing streak in the offing. Kings and Celtics the last two games, now the Rockets tonight and the Spurs on Thursday. Mitch do it ......THE TRADE.

Game 49 for the Lakers and its time for them to show some consistency and come out of their funk.


James Gang - Funk #49
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_qHU_6Ofc0

At Edwin Gueco, good morning my mentor! How are you sir? Yes, Yes, you can never go wrong with the Beatles. Reset and re- Phil...LOL!!! I wish I had said that!!! Go on Edwin with your bad self!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Mamba - Holding down the morning as usual. Carry on and brace yourself for some nice weather today :-) Posted by: LRob | February 01, 2011 at 09:17 AM
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LMAO!!!!!!! LRob you got a touch of the mean streak this morning. Yeah we are expecting 2 Feet + of snow with 50 mph wind gusts which will produce snow drifts of 6 and 7 feet. Oh yes, just mamba24's kind of fun. But luckily... my 3-peat is still going strong!!!!!!! So I think I can figure out a lil something, something to do to passs the time. LOL!!!!! Carry on my brother

Laker Tom,

"Do you seriously think that Kobe would prefer to have Pau as his second fiddle over Carmelo Anthony?"

That's a tough question, and I don't know how Kobe would respond to it. I DO know the answer to this question:

- Do you really think Kobe would want an injury prone center, who has NEVER been healthy for the playoffs, over Gasol, who has been arguably a top 3 big man for the past three years, and one of the main reasons the team has gone to three straight finals?"

- Answer - HECK NO.

Some day I would like to have the exact salary cap stuff explained to me. Is there a point to where your finances are strictly limited? Can you exceed the cap, which cap, and pay the penalty. Help!

surprised there's not a thread on the Kupchak article where he's considering trades

That's a big bold action

@LakerTruth, Nice post at 10:02!!!

LRob,

Geesh, I haven't heard that funk in ages but one of my old time favorites.
While the Eagles have always been one of the best, I think Joe W raised them up another notch.

Hey Hobbit.....

I have only some questions (maybe you know the answers). From Barcelona is not easy to know.

Girlfriend problems???????

What happend with Pau??????????

Could Pau be traded to Chicago for Noah and other?????

Congratulations from BCN.

This is a great game for the Lakers to begin their season with tonight.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | February 01, 2011 at 09:23 AM

Finally ... The season begins!!

Unless the Lakers lose and then its just another practice game!

Finally ... The season begins!! Unless the Lakers lose and then its just another practice game! Posted by: 131-92 | February 01, 2011 at 10:27 AM
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By God I Think He's Got It!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To LRob:

Obviously, Pau is better than Kareem. May be he could be traded (I think that is the real life) but the reality is than Pau Gasol will be in LAKERS HISTORY ALL TIME with others greatest superstars (Kareem, Magic, Jerry, Kobe, Big Game, Wilt.......)

Pau Gasol deserves this great honor.

And finally, yes, I think is the Pau´s end in L.A. 3 Finals in a row, 2 rings... heyyyyy, not bad my friend.

By God I Think He's Got It!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mamba24 | February 01, 2011 at 10:30 AM

LOL .. Its taken longer than I thought but I think Im finally starting to get it!

Pau is better than Kareem? PAU IS BETTER THAN KAREEM? What manner of lunacy is this? Pau is better than Kareem, Shaq, Wilt and Mikan put together!!!!! Pau is a Basketball God I say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey guys we got a new post up. The problem is Melo is a scorer and Kobe is a scorer. Melo may be willing to take a backseat at the beginning but there would be inevitable friction on doing that even if they are good friends

There is a lot of trade talk going on. All because what? We lost to the Celtics in a regular season game? C'mon...

This team has proven that it can win a championship. Let's ride this out and let the Lakers work their magic.

Winning a championship never has and never will be easy. There will be bumps along the road.

Go Lakers!

This team has proven that it can win a championship. Let's ride this out and let the Lakers work their magic. Winning a championship never has and never will be easy. There will be bumps along the road. Posted by: Rocky | February 01, 2011 at 10:41 AM
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NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!
LET'S RIDE AMIGOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mamba24 - Phenomenal Roll Call...Checking in baybee...

MM - Great thread...

I am so busy at work...just slipped away to check in for roll call...Not sure I can make game chat tonight...

Go Lakers!!!

Lewstrs-

Still think 131-92 was wrong? LOL!!

@Lewstrs, just so you know, No one does Roll Call like you sir!!! Thanks for checking in...Carry On!!

@DJ… Basically, simple stated teams that are over the salary cap (like the Lakers and Denver) can only trade with each other if the current salaries of the players exchanged are close to equal. Thus, Pau can be traded straight up for Melo since both make around the same ($17-18M). If the Lakers wanted to include Chauncey, who makes $14M, they would have to give the Nuggets that much or close to it in salaries. There are different rules for trades if you are under the salary cap.
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TOM

The old man has missed yet another posting - too late. Gotta get a better walker for me!

Go Lakers!!!!

Screw LeBron James

Shaq Is gay

Just kidding Shaq is my friend and LeBron is awsome

PAU is the PROBLEM!!! He's passive, weak, lacks passion and heart, and plays like a small-forward. Last year we were able to cover-up his passive play with a strong and determined Kobe and inspiring play by Bynum, and tough play by Artest. Those guys have taken a step back for reasons we can understand (Kobe and Bynums surgeries, Artest fragile mental state) and Pau is scared to step up. He has taken two steps back this year and needs to be traded.

Pau and Artest for:
LaMARCUS ALDRIDGE
Deng and Noah
David West and Ariza
Carmello and Nene
Dwight Howard
Favvors, Vujacic, Lopez
Bogut, Maggette


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