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REMEMBER, you have to go back to 1966 before you find a team with as many consecutive Finals' appearances as these Lakers.

For the average NBA fan, we are dealing with uncharted territory here. Add the fact that(with free agency) the League is nothing like it was 45 years ago, and you will come to the realization that this has really never been done before.

These Lakers have 3 consecutive Finals appearances.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves and start lying to each other.

The Showtime Lakers did it. The Bulls did it. These Lakers have done nothing extra-ordinary if you look at it from that perspective.

>>>What did you think when the Lakers started off slowly in the 2002-2003
>>>season and then lost all 4 regular season games against the Spurs?

Okay. That's one season out of the last 10.

The Lakers knocked off the Spurs in 2001, despite having a worse regular season record.

The Lakers knocked off the Spurs in 2002, and also knocked off the Kings... who they had a worse regular season record than.

The Lakers knocked off the Spurs and Timberwolves in 2004, despite having a worse regular season record than both teams.

(are you seeing a trend here?)

The Lakers were talent deprived from 2005 to 2007, so they didn't get a shot at the Spurs.

The Lakers knocked off the Spurs in 2008, despite losing 2 of 4 games to them during the regular season.

In 2009, the Spurs got knocked off by Dallas... a team that had a worse record than them.

In summary...

a. The Lakers haven't been swept by the Spurs this season. They've lost 1 game to them.

b. The Spurs frequently lose in the playoffs to a team with a worse regular season record than them.

c. The Lakers are 4-1 vs the Spurs in the playoffs during the 21st century. Phil manages to beat Pop pretty consistently, regardless of their regular season records.

MM, I can't join the chat room for a week now. Any advice? I wrote something during the chat but they weren't posted.

Thanks,

>>>REMEMBER, you have to go back to 1966 before you find a team with as
>>>many consecutive Finals' appearances as these Lakers.

Not true.

The Lakers went to the finals in 1982 (beat the 76ers), 1983 (lost to the 76ers), 1984 (lost to the Celtics), and 1985 (beat the Celtics)

OK 6 hours of posting and not one Post from Justanothermambafan! I shall now consider the day a complete abject failure and go and find solace in Vodka and percoset. Yes, Yes, Mamba24 said it , Vodka and percoset. I’d rather have the flu for 6 more months than face one day without a post from Justanothermambafan!! THE HORROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They're doing very well. Are you predicting them to win the title?
Step right up and say it boldly now if you think that most regular season wins guarantees a title.
Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan |
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I'm not predicting anything.
Hobbitmage already answered to you some things I would have said.

Most regular season wins obviously do not guarantee a title. However, when you look at HCA in the Finals, it's very unusual, in basketball, for the team with HCA to lose the series. That's not an opinion, that's how it is.

Yes, it has happened 6 times in the last 25 years.
Not very good odds for the team without HCA.

As for the Spurs, they have beaten the Lakers twice this year, not once as you stated above. One at home, one in LA.

Of course the Lakers can still make it to the Finals. I am more concerned that they have HCA over any eastern team they may play. Currently they are trailing all 3 east conference leaders.

I understand there is still a ways to go this year and anything can happen.
But they have some issues and I think last years Laker team could beat this years Laker team.

I trust in the team to be ready when it matters.

But it is a waste of time until the playoffs.

After the 1st quarter I was certain that it would be a L.
Just by watching the players expressions, that's what is disappointing.

But let's keep the faith in the team!

After the 1st quarter I was certain that it would be a L.
Just by watching the players expressions, that's what is disappointing. let's keep the faith in the team! Posted by: TidalWave | February 15, 2011 at 12:24 PM
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Absolutely!!!! I'm with you my brother!!!

Tidal Wave & mamba24:

Agreed.


DBDH!

>>>As for the Spurs, they have beaten the Lakers twice this year, not once as you
>>>stated above. One at home, one in LA.

Ooops. Yep, I stand corrected.

I haven't read all the comments since the game...

Did Mike T show up to boast that Kwame Brown outrebounded Drew?

The more I think about the Sasha trade the less I like it. We gave up this year's #1 draft pick and Sasha for Joe Smith and a 2nd round pick just to save some money. I'm sure Sasha would come in handy right about now, when the Lakers are trying to move Artest or could acquire Carmelo. Nothing against Smith, but he certainly isn't helping the team.
I still think we pull the trigger on Melo and take our chances of threepeating, but set ourselves to win more championships in the near furure. I believe this trade gives us a very good chance to win this year and for years to come.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4o47lvt

Note: Wizards would be more inclined to do this trade for Sasha and our #1 pick instead of Walton.
Pacers actually get better, and if you were to tell the Nuggets that losing Carmelo, Nene, and JR Smith would still make them a contender, I'm sure they would take it.

I believe that with this trade we will attract D Howard to join the Lakers next year. We can then trade McGee and Gasol for Howard and Ryan Anderson.

This year Lakers:

Hinrich - D. Fish
Kobe - S. Brown
Carmelo - Artest
Gasol - Odom - Caracter
McGee - Gasol - Ratliff

I can hear it now, "too many new players on the team"

Next year Lakers: (pending free agent signings and draft picks)

Hinrich - Fisher
Kobe - Brown (FA)
Melo - Artest
Odom - Anderson - Caracter
Howard - (FA)

Anyway, just tinkering with the trade machine. That's what I'd do if I was MK.

Every Laker fan needs to stop throwing flack at Ron Artest.

For those detractors of Artest, out there, I just have one question:

What do you want from Ron Artest?

You want 20 and 5 playing hardcored D. Won't happen, not enough touches in the world for Ron to get 20 a night.

If Kobe Bryant is ineffective or a volume shooter and/or if the Bigs don't play well i.e. Drew/Pau/LO, or don't show up, Ron Artest can't perform miracles. Given that scenario, it wouldn't matter how well the Artest played, the Lakers would still still lose.

Ron isn't the problem, Phil's basically spelled that out. His whipping boys are Pau and LO. Pau needs to demand the ball, get into position and communicate, it wouldn't hurt LO if he said more than 5 words on the court.

Ron Artest is not the problem, far from the problem.

Appreciate the effort and the soul:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww_xWQsw_WM

Please continue to drink Ron Ron koolaid.......clap clap clap

Posted by: Worlds Richest Man | February 15, 2011 at 01:27 PM

I'm not Jim Jones, man. I guess you don't have any actual thoughts about what I just said, so, you decided to post the first thoughts that came into your head.

I don't care if Artest plays SF
I don't care if Ariza plays SF
I don't care if Stay Puff Marshmellow man plays SF.

It doesn't matter who's at SF. If the bigs aren't getting their touches and if Kobe is ineffective/volume shooting, it doesn't matter who plays the 3, because the production will negligible juxtaposed against the strength of our team.

LongTimeLakerFan,

you asked: (are you seeing a trend here?)

my response: nope. The reason why? You're talking about almost completely
different personnel and you're not taking into account "aging".

We do not have the dominant C like we used to. [ apologies to LakerTom ]
We don't have a young Kobe who can jump out of the gym.
We don't have a Rick Fox or a Robert Horry.

We have a husband of a reality TV program with aspiration of being a TV
personality and and clothing designer. We've a spindly PF with an amazing
skill set who chose not to lift weights because he was tired. We have an
ancient PG who's technically old enough to be the starting C's father.
We have a C who has not made *any* all star team. We have a broken Kobe.

Radically different personnel.

PUNKED BY KWAME BROWN!

Talking about the ultimate insult...

If I hear another "excuse" about the Lakers being lazy, unmotivated and complacent due to having playing so many games the last couple of years I am going to PUKE.

Like someone already said. That wasn't the problem with Showtime Lakers who under Pat Riley played hard with blood, sweat and tear every single game -even in practices. That also wasn't the problem with the Bulls which even in the year Jordan temporarily retired still went to the Final meaning what, seven (7) straight Finals?

Excuse... excuse... excuse...

The problem actually started at the beginning of the season when instead of holding a high standard for the team and expected them to break the Bulls' win record in a season, some people including the coach whined and cried that the goal was too much!

Being offered low expectation and excuses every steps of the way, no wonder the team feels no motivation to do its best.

sean, what i want from ron ron is to KNOCK DOWN SOME SHOTS! he gets so many good looks throughout the game, JUST MAKE A FEW OF THEM. is that too much to ask? artest should be shooting nothing but 3 balls in practice, because that's what he's going to get, come playoff time. every time he drives the lane, he turns the ball over. i'm tired of seeing him have 3 - 10, 4 - 11, 2 - 8 games! just bring it!

@Worlds Richest Man- Cool, no worries Rich. In the heat of the moment my sarcasm detector doesn't work.

I just wish all these callers, bloggers, ripping on Ron and Fish, would realize that the strength of our team is Kobe and the Bigs. When we win, usually it's a collective. When we lose, our Bigs are ignored/underused/or on slight occasions overwhelmed and our perimeter shooting is under par.

It would make no difference if you moved Artest or Fish, this is real life, it's not a video game, 'trade this guy, trade that guy.' It's all fodder. These guys are not why we're inconsistent, they're a part of the team that's been inconsistent. I guess we can also give Pau another nickname, how about cliche. That's what he keeps feeding the media. The same cliches over and over again.

World's Richest Man

Mark Zuckerberg, is that you?

Thanks
PSP Intern

Laker J,

The trade doesn't fly.

No way Indy gives up Hibbert (a quality center who still plays for peanuts) and Granger (their best player) for Nene (a quality center who makes 10 million +) and JR Smith.

sean, what i want from ron ron is to KNOCK DOWN SOME SHOTS! he gets so many good looks throughout the game, JUST MAKE A FEW OF THEM. is that too much to ask? artest should be shooting nothing but 3 balls in practice, because that's what he's going to get, come playoff time. every time he drives the lane, he turns the ball over. i'm tired of seeing him have 3 - 10, 4 - 11, 2 - 8 games! just bring it!

Posted by: Lakeshowinphx | February 15, 2011 at 01:42 PM

Yeah, that's not asking a lot, but you need to remember that Artest wasn't asked to be a knockdown shooter until he came to the Lakers.


To be a consistent knockdown shooter, takes years of practice. Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Anthony Morrow, Matt Bonner.

Ron's offensive skill set should have enamored Phil Jackson and the Triangle. Another guy you can throw into the post, let him float around the perimeter and mid-range situations.

Instead, he's thrown onto the perimeter, and some nights it seems his mind and body are in quicksand because of the Triangle and it's positioning.

Asking him to be a knockdown shooter is fine. Just remember that's never been his MO and that takes a lot of work to make sure you're in rhythm and if he's not, it's not for a lack of practice. Ron works out well into the early Morning. His work ethic isn't the issue.

"... We have a husband of a reality TV program with aspiration of being a TV
personality and and clothing designer. We've a spindly PF with an amazing
skill set who chose not to lift weights because he was tired. We have an
ancient PG who's technically old enough to be the starting C's father.
We have a C who has not made *any* all star team. We have a broken Kobe."

True enough. We also have had other problems such as lack of motivation, lack of a solid defensive system, a forever problem of how to defend the pick n roll etc...

We Lakers fans can discuss til the cows come home but ULTIMATELY the buck really stopped at only one place.

Everything points to the high chair. That's where the real problem is. Clearly Phil Jackson is way passe as a coach. He's no longer effective -not that he was all that effective in the past. Jackson is now either unable or unwilling to resolve all the above problems.

I can't wait for Jeff Van Gundy, the REAL basketball genius to take over next season!

Pyscorp, you're right about the hard practices under Riles, BUT, ultimately that's what got him out of there. the Lakers were a veteran team in the mid to late 80's. players were complaining that it's a long season, were an older, veteran team, you need to take it easy on us. but riley was a taskmaster and didn't heed the warning from his players. as you know he resigned as the Laker's coach after the 1990 season when they lost to phoenix in the playoffs. coincidentally, he won nba coach of the year, despite the rumors of mistreating players and anger issues on his part!

As far as Artest is concerned I agree with the poster who said that he's not supposed to be a knock-down shooter. Ron's best offensive attribute is when he is allowed to roam between the basket and mid-range. With his strength he can muscle his way to offensive rebounds. He's also much better used as a post-up player than just stationed at the 3-pt line.

Why? because as a post-up player he has the chance to PUNISH the player he was given to defend, usually the opponents' best player. Why not make the Paul Pierces, the LeBron James... of the league work hard on defense so they will be less effective on offense?

I cringed everytime I saw Ron worked hard to establish an inside position and his teammates not passing the ball to him.

Sean,

About Ron.

This is the guy who averaged 18/5 the same year he was named defensive player of the year. The next year he averaged 24/6. He used to be an offensive threat as well as a top defender, so he can do both. At least, he used to be able to.

I understand he won't get enough shots to get those kind of numbers now but in virtually every statistical category Ron is having the worst season of his career. He plays like he is 31 going on 36. He has trouble making a lay up.

Do you really think it would make no difference no matter who in the NBA played SF for the Lakers?
You don't think someone who the other team actually had to guard because they could hit with some consistency wouldn't help?

I agree with you about parking himself on the 3 pt line.
Barnes has outplayed him this year, no doubt they miss him.

Ron's best offensive attribute is when he is allowed to roam between the basket and mid-range. With his strength he can muscle his way to offensive rebounds. He's also much better used as a post-up player than just stationed at the 3-pt line.

Why? because as a post-up player he has the chance to PUNISH the player he was given to defend, usually the opponents' best player. Why not make the Paul Pierces, the LeBron James... of the league work hard on defense so they will be less effective on offense?
Posted by: Psycorp |
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Good points, why do you suppose this isn't happening?

Pyscorp, while ron ron has never been known as a knock down 3 point shooter, that's basically the cards he's been dealt in the triangle offense. yes, it would be nice to see him throw his body around the basket, but it's kind of hard for him when he's out on the perimeter. offensively he hasn't made the adjustment to becoming a shooter. BUT, thank god he hit that big 3 against boston last year in game 7! all i'm saying is, since those are the shots he's going to get during the course of the game....that's what he needs to be working on in practice! we know what we're getting from artest defensively. i know it must be tough for him to adjust his offensively game for the betterment of the team, BUT, that's what he has to continue to do!

Tidal Wave & mamba24: Agreed. DBDH! Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | February 15, 2011 at 01:04 PM
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Then that must mean that we are...THE THREE AMIGOS!!! LET'S RIDE!!!!

If y'all are looking for a little supplemental reading material, there is an editorial on where this Carmelo thing is going at The Daily Hat Trick http://bit.ly/tdhTrick. Kind of funny, but kind of good insight.

Excellent site, keep it up the good work.

I am getting to the point where there are lots of other teams that are more fun and less aggravating to watch than the Lakers. Are you listening Mitch? You swapped out a young exciting player who could shoot for a slow old guy who can't shoot. You keep sticking with a center who is more fragile than fine china and when he is playing, looks like a deer caught in the headlights. Fisher is a wonderful human being, but is far from being a Ray Allen and is at least two steps behind every guard he faces on defense. I always thought that the idea of basketball was to hire guys who could actually shoot. It's great to have an "inside out" offense, provided that the guys on the outside can actually shoot. Last of all , you need a team that actually looks like they actually care about winning. I am tired of hearing Laker players and coaches trying to explain why they just lost to the another less than 500 team and how they will focus and miraculously change the habits they have exhibited all year when they get to the playoffs. So I think the Lakers either need a trade or a reality check or both. Otherwise, (and I can't believe I am saying this), the Clippers are more exciting to watch than the Lakers.


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