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Lakers Chat: Another day of trade talk

--Mark Medina

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@MM... Just finished listening to Kobe. He was asked if the Lakers will repeat and his response was that he believes in this team and they will do it. His last word on the subject: Trust me.
Good enough for me, Kobe. Let’s sweep this trip and put all the trade talk to its final rest.
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TOM


@MM... Just finished listening to Kobe. He was asked if the Lakers will repeat and his response was that he believes in this team and they will do it. His last word on the subject: Trust me.
Good enough for me, Kobe. Let’s sweep this trip and put all the trade talk to its final rest.
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TOM


Mellow Yellow
~ Donovan

I'm just mad about Saffron
Saffron's mad about me
I'm just mad about Saffron
She's just mad about me

They call me mellow yellow
(Quite rightly)
They call me mellow yellow
(Quite rightly)
They call me mellow yellow

I'm just mad about Fourteen
Fourteen's mad about me
I'm just mad about Fourteen
She's just mad about me

They call me mellow yellow
(Quite rightly)
They call me mellow yellow
(Quite rightly)
They call me mellow yellow

Born high forever to fly
Wind velocity nil
Wanna high forever to fly
If you want your cup our fill

They call me mellow yellow
(Quite rightly)
They call me mellow yellow
(Quite rightly)
They call me mellow yellow

(So mellow, he's so yellow)

Electrical banana
Is gonna be a sudden craze
Electrical banana
Is bound to be the very next phase

They call it mellow yellow
(Quite rightly)
They call me mellow yellow
(Quite rightly)
They call me mellow yellow
Saffron -- yeah
I'm just mad about her
I'm just mad about Saffron
She's just mad about me

They call me mellow yellow
(Quite rightly)
They call me mellow yellow
(Quite rightly)
They call me mellow yellow

(Oh so yellow, oh so mellow)

Royal Purple and Mellow-Yellow go together like ...!

It just makes so much sense!!!

"Let’s sweep this trip and put all the trade talk to its final rest."
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TOM

Posted by: LakerTom | February 09, 2011 at 03:57 PM

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In my opinion, that's exactly what it's going to take in order to put this to "rest."


"Even when we didn't make the playoffs, I thought we'd win the championship." Dr. Buss

GO LAKERS & IN BUSS WE TRUST!!

"Let’s sweep this trip and put all the trade talk to its final rest."
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TOM

Posted by: LakerTom | February 09, 2011 at 03:57 PM

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In my opinion, that's exactly what it's going to take in order to put this to "rest."


"Even when we didn't make the playoffs, I thought we'd win the championship." Dr. Buss

GO LAKERS & IN BUSS WE TRUST!!

MM.. Another chat?? Way to keep fire burning! U sure know what's good for LAtimes blog business.. They owe u a raise!

J/K u know I'm teasin.. I'd prob do the same in ur shoes. Knock urself out!

Come on.

What's Kobe supposed to say?

He can do nothing but believe and fight for that belief. That's like Jerry Buss who believed we'd win the title with the likes of Smush, Cook, Kwame, and Walton as starters.

It's the front office's job to be a bit more objective. It's the player's job to have unshakable faith. So, consider the source.

I too see the BIG significance in tomorrows celtics game being a statement game for both gasol n bynum amidst all this trade fervor but if you are one of those "practice season" disciples remember this is just another meaningless regular season game and nothing more so don't advocate otherwise or u will be CONTRADICTING urselves.. Unfortunately you do not have the right to conveniently change ur views for one single game...good so I'm glad we're in agreement... So just putting it out there for what its worth!

Where's the PSP when u need him?

Excellent research! The question is: Do we have the goods to win it with our current back-to-back championship team with its improved roster or are the chances slim and none with slim leaving the building. If so, can a deal be made of the impact of the three above-mentioned trades? Can any player adjust to PJ's schemes that quickly, including 'Melo? Interesting.
Posted by: KobeMVP888 |
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Well, first question has to be of course yes, the team could win it all as is if no injuries occur. We have no way to know what will happen.

Can a deal be made? Sure it can. Will it be made, I doubt it. Should it be made? That's the big question of the last few hundred posts. We all have our own preferences and reasons for thinking a trade is good or bad.

I don't think it has anything to do with fan loyalty. It just has to do with peoples opinion of what they think is best for the team. Most of those who post for or against these trade ideas are loyal fans who care about what happens and just have different opinions about it.

Can a player adjust quickly enough?
That's a good question. It comes down to looking at things longer term. Perhaps a trade for Melo would disrupt the team so much they would get bounced out this year. Perhaps they will get bounced out with no trade.
I know many are hung up on Phils 3-peat, but set that aside and just for fun let's say that the Gods have ordained the Lakers will not make it this year.
I wonder if that changes some peoples opinion of the trade. From a longer term perspective does one want to go forward with the Lakers as they are or shake things up now?

One could argue there is always time to make a trade after the season. Maybe they can, but maybe they can't.
Melo is available now and won't be this summer.
He is one of the top players in the league.
He is available.
Now.
A line up of Kobe, LO, and either Pau or Drew plus Melo is very exciting and looking past this year this is a very good line up for all the previously mentioned reasons.
My first choice would be to trade Drew before Pau because the Lakers as is, without Melo, have already proven they can win without Drew and with a hobbled Drew. So far this season they have lost more games with Drew than without him.
Looking past this year I would like to have Melo over Drew.
As someone posted a few threads back, this argument about needing big players to win is faulty to a point.
How many titles did a monster-in-his-prime Shaq win in Orlando - none.
How many did Shaq with with Kobe when he first came to the Lakers - none.
How many times DIDN'T Kareem and Wilt win titles?
And poor Drew, IMO, another injury has got his name on it and is seeking him out as we speak.

I think Melo is a major impact trade and he would fit in pretty quickly.
Just think of the options, when Kobe is taking a breather Melo could be on the floor and vice versa. They could also be on the floor together. The mix and match scenarios are excellent.

But alas, these past few hundred posts are probably all for naught.
But still, it did provide a lot of entertainment and it got the Blog a bunch of hits it wouldn't have gotten otherwise, so in that respect it was/is a very successful promotion. MM will have a hard time topping this one.

And besides, I would prefer to trade Ron anyway. That 5 year deal is going to haunt the Lakers sooner rather than later.

GHE?
GHF?
Who cares.
I will criticize any Lakers player/coach to my hearts content because I am a fan and that's my right.
But no matter what happens, I just want them to be successful and win.

Mr lakerfan

Yellofever is a fan of anything mellow yellow

But how bout a cheer for all the GHF club? Everybody pull out ur pom poms and cheer along:

(Clap clap stomp stomp)
(Clap clap stomp stomp)
2 4 6 8 who do we appreciate?
Is it bynum who only plays 40 games because of injury?
Or the bynum who went to europe n postponed surgery for the knee?
Or the bynum who likes to play call of duty?
No no no only the lakers ur basketball team!!
Go lakers go!
Cheer cheer hurray!!!

Melo in Yellow

Make it so.

Bynum For Melo Pro's and Con's from Laker fans

PRO'S
1. Been waiting for 6 years for Bynum to develop into an NBA player. He is a long ways away
2. Bynum is a total loss and waiting another 3 years for his to develop is nonsense.
3.

OOPS


Bynum For Melo Pro's and Con's from Laker fans

PRO'S

1. Been waiting for 6 years for Bynum to develop into an NBA player. He is a long ways away
2. Bynum is a total loss and waiting another 3 years for his to develop is nonsense.
3. Melo is a much better player than Bynum, and that is not debatable on any level.
4. Bynum isn't a defensive specialist. He's never made a defensive first or second team, to my knowledge. He gets in foul trouble more than anything else.
5. His scoring is subpar, he's not an assist man, and he's injury prone.
6. Still searching for a defining moment in the Lakers career of Andrew Bynum? That moment is now.
7. vs Miami - Lakers scored 80 points on 40% shooting
vs San Antonio in Dec - Lakers scored 82 points on 35% shooting
vs Boston - Lakers scored 96 points on 44% shooting
vs San Antonio recently - Lakers scored 88 points on 42% shooting.
8. rarely have I seen him have a dominate game, much less against a good Center.
9. Carmelo is on Lebron's level, LeBron and Carmelo have been going at it since high school, with Carmelo usually having the upper hand with his great post game. If we miss this opportunity to get Carmelo, we could be feeling the sting of this for a very long time as the Miami Heat take over the NBA.
10. I don't believe Andrew Bynum can play 35-40 minutes a game for a season, let alone a career.
11. Bynum is gonna get hurt AGAIN and miss the rest of the season, and we're gonna be kicking ourselves in the a** that we had a chance to get a TOP TEN PLAYER in the league and passed on it for a player as fragile as a piece of glass!!!!!!
12. If the Lakers don't make this Bynum for Melo trade, it will prove to be the biggest mistake in franchise history.
13. We have not seen the explosive Bynum for a couple years now, and it's certainly possible that we will never see that Bynum again.
14. Ask Cleveland how holding on to J.J. Hixson instead of giving him up to acquire Amar'e for a playoff run last year worked out.


Bynum For Melo Pro's and Con's from Laker fans

PRO'S

1. Been waiting for 6 years for Bynum to develop into an NBA player. He is a long ways away
2. Bynum is a total loss and waiting another 3 years for his to develop is nonsense.
3. Melo is a much better player than Bynum, and that is not debatable on any level.
4. Bynum isn't a defensive specialist. He's never made a defensive first or second team, to my knowledge. He gets in foul trouble more than anything else.
5. His scoring is subpar, he's not an assist man, and he's injury prone.
6. Still searching for a defining moment in the Lakers career of Andrew Bynum? That moment is now.
7. vs Miami - Lakers scored 80 points on 40% shooting
vs San Antonio in Dec - Lakers scored 82 points on 35% shooting
vs Boston - Lakers scored 96 points on 44% shooting
vs San Antonio recently - Lakers scored 88 points on 42% shooting.
8. rarely have I seen him have a dominate game, much less against a good Center.
9. Carmelo is on Lebron's level, LeBron and Carmelo have been going at it since high school, with Carmelo usually having the upper hand with his great post game. If we miss this opportunity to get Carmelo, we could be feeling the sting of this for a very long time as the Miami Heat take over the NBA.
10. I don't believe Andrew Bynum can play 35-40 minutes a game for a season, let alone a career.
11. Bynum is gonna get hurt AGAIN and miss the rest of the season, and we're gonna be kicking ourselves in the a** that we had a chance to get a TOP TEN PLAYER in the league and passed on it for a player as fragile as a piece of glass!!!!!!
12. If the Lakers don't make this Bynum for Melo trade, it will prove to be the biggest mistake in franchise history.
13. We have not seen the explosive Bynum for a couple years now, and it's certainly possible that we will never see that Bynum again.
14. Ask Cleveland how holding on to J.J. Hixson instead of giving him up to acquire Amar'e for a playoff run last year worked out.


Posted by: Troll Man

1. Bynum came in as a project. It took 3 years just to get him NBA ready and 3 more years have just been experience. He's been robbed of time due to injuries and you could actually condense his playing time to about 3-4 years anyway.
2. Waiting 3 years to develop isn't going to happen. The problem Bynum has (and everyone fails to realize because they're morons) is that Bynum isn't the 1st, 2nd or sometimes even 3rd option on the team. He's not going to get the points we're going to want him to get so long as Kobe, Gasol and Co aren't giving him the ball. When he's being forced to play 28 a game he's not going to usually get a double double either.
3. That is debatable. Bynum when he's on, and we've seen him on including last season can dominate games and be a game changer. Lakers started the season 8-0, went 10-7 after that run and Bynum came back. They've gone what, 18-9 since? Why? Their defense improved and it gave Gasol and Odom rest.
4. Bynum hasn't been able to play a full season yet in order to make that team. Melo will NEVER be accused of playing defense either. Bynum can cause players to alter shots, he can block shots, he's forced teams to penetrate less and usually when he gets into foul trouble it's because he's been hobbled a bit or rusty coming back from injury. When Bynum has been at full health and going, then his rotations are better and he plays better, smarter and is more effective.
5. He doesn't get touches. How do you expect him to be on par or better? When Gasol has been down, Bynum has been a 20/10 type player, when Gasol comes back and he's not a 2nd option, his numbers take a dive. Do you not see the logic here? Bynum is a good passer, but in order to rack up assists, that means a player has to make a shot off the pass. Guess who doesn't get the ball enough to make those passes and get those assists? You sure you want to make this argument? As far as his injuries go, maybe you should look at the nature of his injuries. Bynum has been injury marred but I wouldn't go as far as prone. The knee injuries were traumatic circumstances that he's been able to heal from and still play well. He landed on Odom's foot awkardly and his leg bent in a direction it wasn't suppose to, Kobe crashed into his other leg and bent his leg in a direction it wasn't suppose to... what do you expect to happen!? He's not the comic book Superman. I'm sorry but if you had any sense of logic you'd look at the nature and realize that maybe Bynum is just a victim of bad luck?
6. So long as Gasol and Bryant are dominating things, Bynum won't have many moments. His moment will come when he becomes more the focal point as Gasol and Kobe wind down. Some defining moments were the 2 weeks before his 2 knee injuries when he'd get on a roll and dominate, last year when Gasol was down and he was a big time producer and during the Finals when he played through a meniscus tear. Those are defining moments.
7. Lack of effort
Lack of effort
Lack of effort
Lack of effort
The Lakers executed poorly in all these games. They didn't utilize their size advantage, they didn't hustle, in 3 of those they didn't defend well, they just didn't execute. This isn't a reason to say we need Melo, this is a reason to say the Lakers need to stop standing around, go through their offense like they should, dump the ball into Bynum and Gasol and get back on defense.
8. I've seen him dominate many games including against Tim Duncan 2 years ago. Maybe you should watch more games and pay more attention and put down the hateraid.
9. Melo is NOT on LeBron's, or even Kobe's level for that matter. Melo is a great scorer, end of story. That's it. That's all he can do. He can't defend, he can't make good decisions with the ball, he can't lead a team. All he knows how to do is make buckets. LeBron like Kobe is a 2 way player, though could use more work defensively. Melo is not a 2 way player. Melo is on the same tier as Bosh, Stoudamire, Boozer and others. Great offensive minded players, their defense is like wet paper bag.
10. He can, he just needs to get his conditioning back. He also needs the opportunity and with Gasol and Odom there, he's never going to get it unless one of them gets hurt.
11. How is he going to get hurt? I go back again to the nature and the history behind his injuries. When he got hurt, did you ever pay attention to how he got hurt or just that he got hurt? Ignorance is bliss.
12. Making the trade is also a mistake. Bynum is younger the Melo and if Kobe is any indication, Melo only has about 6 good years or so left in him anyway. With no defense, only his offense will really suffer and once that goes, Melo is a role player.
13. We haven't seen it this year. He's still getting back into shape. Remember, Bynum didn't have a training camp because the surgery he had was more complex then expected and it's taking time for him to get back into shape. He's got some of his leaping ability back and his ability to double jump. The explosiveness can come at any time. Just needs to work on getting his muscles going again.
14. Bynum is far better then J.J. Hixon and Bynum has shown he's better then Amare and Bosh when he gets going.

Bynum For Melo Pro's and Con's from Laker fans


CON’S

1. putting all your money on Pau Gasol to be your starting center would be a bigger risk that betting on Andrew Bynum’s health.
2. That boy changed so many shots I couldn't keep track of them all.
3. The only record that matters is 2-0. That's Bynum's record as the starting center for the 2 NBA Finals he has participated in.
4. melo has never played defense in his life. last time i checked, if you wanted to win a title, you win it with defense.
5. if we do trade bynum where giving up one of our bigs which leaves a huge void in the middle.
6. Give up Bynum!!!!!!!!!!!! Who would be the defensive guy who alters all those easy layups? Melo is good offensively but can he ALTER easy layups???? His defense is VERY QUESTIONABLE. DEFENSE WINS!!!!!! BYNUM'S DEFENSE IS TOO CRUCIAL FOR THE LAKERS DURING THE PLAYOFFS WHEN SIZE COUNTS!!!!!! IT'S NOT A HORRIBLE TRADE JUST A DUMB ONE.
7. Melo for Bynum is CRAZY talk. We'd being giving up post presence, field goal percentage, size, intimidation, DEFENSE and a host of intangibles for a prolific scorer who plays NO DEFENSE! This is crazy talk. HARD WORK, MUSCLE, and HEART wins CHAMPIONSHIPS. Not Melo!
8. This team is custom designed for the playoffs...half court game, rebounds, ball control, interior stops/alters/intimidation...and Bynum is the centerpiece for the Assault on the Celts Interior. Without him, we're the Miami Heat West.
10. The modern day Laker's dynasty began when Andrew Bynum started dominating. It will end when we get rid of him.
11. I can't stand the thought of Melo for Drew. Don't do it, Mitch.
12. If LA give up Bynum they will regret it.. The reason why the lakers are so hard to beat, SIZE
13. if you think that Bynum is only a 'very good role player' - well just the fact that the Nuggets would entertain essentially a Bynum for 'Melo swap shows just how much value he has.
14. No trade. This is our team and they're pretty good. We threepeat, give Phil a proper send off and worry about this in the off season.
15. If Bynum goes to Nuggets, instantly they become an elite team in the playoffs, ready to contend, they are not now with Carmelo.
16. Lakers lose defense and may gain marginal offense. One ball and 1 Kobe and 1 Melo needing it to play. Bad trade keep Drew.
17. Although Melo on the Lakers would be intriguing, losing Bynum would cost us dearly in the post season. Especially a motivated Bynum.
18. The dead horse just called. He was asking us to stop beating him.


J-Dizzle

Drew's surgery on his knee is still considered minor

K Perkins was major knee surgery

funny how some people heal faster than others isn't it?

Hope he doesn't get another owie, who knows how long it will take to heal.


@J-DIZZLE… A great response to the Troll Man’s list of reader reasons for trading Drew for Melo. What was impressive was how you took apart each of the arguments listed by showing how shallow they were. My big worry with Drew is that we may not see his above the rim athleticism until next season but even playing like he has been, he makes the Lakers a better defensive team.
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@TROLL MAN… Nice job on the pros and cons list. Appreciate the effort putting it together.

What I find really ironic about the pro and con arguments being made Is that they mirror the pro and con arguments we had regarding whether the Miami Heat were going or not going to be champions. What’s more important – multiple super star wing players or dominant interior size and defense? Logically, bloggers who thought the Heat would win multiple championships probably want to trade Drew for Melo. Similarly, bloggers who thought the Heat would fail because of their lack of interior size and defense, most likely do not want to trade Drew. Obviously, Jim Buss is not going to trade Drew and recent reports indicate that Mitch Kupchak and Jerry Buss agree with that decision.
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TOM

J-DIZZLE,

I'm not sure if all you said is right, but since it's likely no trade like that will happen, I hope you are right.

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Laker Tom,

I think you have a point about the Heat and pro/con traders, that was an interesting take on it.
If the Heat and Celts meet up in the playoffs, and I hope they do, it will be a fun one to watch. Probably the best one to watch of them all (besides the Lakers).

All of this being said by me and others regarding the wisdom of trading Bynum for Melo . . .

If Andrew Bynum is playing well, the Lakers simply cannot be beaten four of seven. As KMVP888 said in another thread, he contributes a lot that can't be measured in the box score. His presence keeps defenses honest. And he is as skilled a "traditional 5" as there is in the league.

Health is a factor. If Ratliff gets back or another big can be found, LA will have 4 bigs to throw against anyone, and collectively, their skill set is hard to match. In 2011, the KG-Perk-Shaq-Davis crew isn't as skilled as Pau-Socks-LO-Ratliff. An effective Barnes gives LA potentially 24 fouls to use on Pierce, Ginobili or James (Artest-Barnes-Kobe-Walton in that order).

The fact that I think LA would have to pull the trigger on Socks to get Melo does not change any of this. LA needs only to stay healthy and get out of its own way to win the title.

This year the Celtics will have HCA and Perkins, add to that the Oneal's and a better overall bench the Lakers look to be in trouble unless Bynum turns into the second coming of a latter day Wilt.

Tomorrow game will be an intriguing game on many levels

A Laker loss adds another game to the "Practice Season" excuse makers. Realistic fans might find this a troubling trend.

A win with an agressive Bynum and Artest raises deeper questions about motivation and work ethic.

by the way, did anyone find it curious that Ray Allen took only two 3 point attempts last game. Anyone think he was stalling to break the record at home against the Lakers (and especially Kobe)?


RON ARTEST FOR TREVOR ARIZA 2.0 ???
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Ira Winderman just released an article for NBCSports.com titled “Lakers shouldn’t trade Bynum now because they’ll need to later” that asserts the best reason for not trading Drew now is that the Lakers can trade him for Dwight Howard when he becomes a free agent and demands a sign-and-trade to LA, an event to which even the staunchest Bynum boosters would be forced to grab at straws to object.
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Even though I think the prospect of this actually happening, the situation bears a haunting similarity to the Lakers decision not to sign the younger, talented, high upside Trevor Ariza in favor of the older, defensive-oriented, offensively challenged, proven veteran Ron Artest. Bottom line, Dwight Howard demanding a sign-and-trade to the Lakers is probably the only way the Lakers would give up Drew.
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TOM


For all the trade hype that goes on, especially this time of year, the Lakers hold all the aces after next year when it comes to "The Decision II" Bynum or Howard. The Lakers also hold the joker card because it's a team option on Drew after next year.

Contingencies:
No trades made prior; are the Lakers willing to wait another year, especially if they fail to win a Championship this year.
Injuries.

Who is this Theo Ratliff you speak of? Isn't he like 40 years old and out of the league because he can't jump, rebound, block shots, or score anymore?

someone please refresh my memory, we are talking about Theo Ratliff?

Well, now that all the drama of the trade scenario(that was never gonna materialize in the first place) is over with, I guess we can refocus on what's REALLY important...a W in da gahden over the hated Cs tomorrow.

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@LRob: For today's musical contribution, I'm gonna go with the english version of a nice little mellow tune by a french artist I'd almost forgotten about. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_r6JorRw2c&feature=related

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Let's go Ls...all the way to a 3-peat!!!!!

Hey guys. There should be a new post up soon. It should definitely keep the conversation rolling for sure. Anyway, I know there's been talk about why are we wasting a lot of time talking about a story that was immediately refuted. If nothing else, I think it really sparked a lot of good discussion and debate on what the Lakers' priorities should be in assembling a roster, what Bynum's presence means to the team and whether that's more needed or less than what Melo brings, etc.

My bad,
Just checked the Laker roster and found that Theo Ratliff is a Laker player.

That Mitch is one sneaky GM, how'd he get that past Jim Buss?

Got to ask, did anyone on this blog actually applaud that daring move, when Shaq could been gotten for the same type money?

Laker Tom - You make a good point about Kobe's confidence. But there's been multiple times so far this season where he doesn't have that confidence. I'm not questioning the sincerity of that, but a lot of his comments today seemed to be more of a message than his actual thinking

Sasha had 25 today in a victory over CP3 and Co. (Farmar with 11 assists). Like Joni said: "don't it always seem to go, that you never knew what you've got, til it's gone..."

Well, in any case, good for you Sasha! Even if you are living out in the marshland now.

LakerTom,

I think that is worth waiting for Dwight Howard while we see how your fave will develop furthermore in the next two years.

If you are still listening to me, I hope you tone down a little bit your heated discussion with LRob. Remember before it used to be EX, AZ, then comes KL & Mike T, afterwards it was Hobbit & Kblitz who are no longer posting. I read that you have been defamed by Ouchhhh too. If you tone down a little bit your extraordinary fascination on your favorite players, perhaps they will not tease you. We're now in our sixties supposed to be cool and collected, let's transfer those excess kinetic energies to the young and avoid getting too uptight and frequently upset in your posts. Just sayin' choose your own battle for good old time sake.

Seeing Farmar successful is more than I can bear. Can you please not mention it?

Put me on the lets sweep the road trip band wagon.Why not their in the road with not as much distraction as it would have been if they was home.This is the best time to band together and just win baby,continuing with them stinkingg celtics tonight.

Go Lakers!

Make the trade.

TM: Who is this Kendrick Perkins you speak of? His pts and rebounds in the 2010 Finals prior to his Game 6 exit:

Game 1: 8, 3
Game 2: 12, 6
Game 3: 5, 11
Game 4: 6, 7
Game 5: 4, 7

His best games were 2 and 3. In the former, BOS won largely because of Allen's exploits from downtown. In the latter, BOS lost.

Let us all put this "Perkins Was The Difference Maker" to rest. I've never heard so much ado over a role player. It is a myth, and a copout. At best.

As for BOS' HCA, well, maybe. But MIA is streaking and they're only a game out for best record in the conference. They have younger legs. In the meantime, BOS is already enduring nagging injuries that will require players to miss time. And for all the talk of LA's demise, its record is only 3 games worse than BOS' and it hasn't even played its best ball yet. BOS having HCA in the Finals, or even the conference playoffs, is no guarantee. If they stay healthy, they're hard to beat. But that's only been the case once in the Big Three era.

As for the 2011 BOS bench v. the 2010 BOS bench, time will tell. Big Baby and Krypto-Nate notwithstanding, it's a bench that, like the starting five, has shown a susceptibility to age and injuries.

LA should only worry about BOS tomorrow, and in June. That is, if both teams make it to June and that's far from a sure bet.

And yes, I do think Jesus Shuttlesworth breaks the record on his floor against the Lakers tomorrow night. He will find a way, win or lose. The C's will be sky high tomorrow night.

Which LA team shows up, however, is anyone's guess.

J-Dizzle

Drew's surgery on his knee is still considered minor

K Perkins was major knee surgery

funny how some people heal faster than others isn't it?

Hope he doesn't get another owie, who knows how long it will take to heal.

Posted by: Troll Man

2 different surgeries 2 different recoveries. Bynum's may have been minor, but the type of surgery takes a while to heal from. Typical meniscus repairs usually mean having the torn portion clipped away and recovery is usually just the general rehab for restrengthening the knee. In Bynum's case the meniscus was sewn back together which takes a while to mend itself. There isn't a lot of blood that usually circulates to that area of the knee and it makes the healing process slow and methodical. Perkins was just a simple repair of a ligament and typical rehab. The meniscus is a different demon. I was facing the prospect of having work done to my knee after a knee injury and the meniscus was what was suspected. Fortunately I didn't need anything at all. But the prospect of it had me looking and researching the matter (especially since Bynum got hurt as well) I got pretty well knowledgeable on the topic.

Major or minor matters little. Different surgeries require different timelines and Bynum's meniscus was sewn together in hopes that keeping the meniscus in tact would keep his knee more stable then it would be if it was clipped away.

Seeing Farmar successful is more than I can bear. Can you please not mention it?

Posted by: Tim-4-Show

Have a look at the Nets record and tell me he's really successful. He's thriving a bit more because the system he's in allows for his more free-wheeling style then the Lakers system does. Remember Gary Payton? Enough said.

Peace... it's not always about points. Perkins is a strong guy who can push Gasol off the block. You can't look at last season and see a difference maker because Perkins was matched against Bynum, someone who he can't match up with. But against Gasol and Odom, he abuses them. He takes away rebounds they could otherwise beat other forwards and centers for and he takes Gasol off his favorite spots when Gasol is on offense. He's a capable offensive rebounder which means more second chance opportunities for the Celtics big 4. Remember, we're talking about matchups here, not games.

J-Dizzle

thanks for clarifying the surgery differences, wierd that one is considered minor but has a longer recovery time than a major.

think I was just recalling past injuries of AB that seemed to take forever to heal.

>>>ed, high upside Trevor Ariza in favor of the older, defensive-oriented,
>>>offensively challenged, proven veteran Ron Artest.

Yeah, Ron's 40% shooting is pretty weak, though he does hit 37% on 3-pointers, which is decent.

But Trevor Ariza is only hitting 39% overall and 29% on 3-pointers this season. And that's with Chris Paul dishing to him.

So calling Ron Artest "offensively challenged" compared to Trevor Ariza is ludicrous.

Ron is better both offensively and defensively than Trevor Ariza.

LakerTom

>>>the best reason for not trading Drew now is that the Lakers can trade him for
>>>Dwight Howard when he becomes a free agent and demands a sign-and-trade
>>>to LA, an event to which even the staunchest Bynum boosters would be
>>>forced to grab at straws to object.

And here's the flaw in that argument (I know it's not your argument, but you reposted it):

If the Lakers trade Bynum for Carmelo, then it would be just as easy to offer Carmelo in a s&t for Dwight Howard as it would be to offer Bynum. Carmelo is an All-Star level player and one of the 3 or 4 best scorers in the league. If Orlando is threatened with losing Howard for nothing, or getting some draft picks and a semi-promising young player (note that nobody's offering to trade John Wall... just Derrick Favors or Wilson Chandler), or getting Carmelo, they'd surely accept Carmelo.

And here's the real kicker to that discussion...

Carmelo is more likely to be healthy and to still be a valuable trade asset. So far, Bynum hasn't shown that his body is strong enough to hold up to a full season of all the bumps and bangs that the NBA delivers. If he suddenly goes on a run and stays healthy from now until 2012, great. But if he has even one more injury that takes him out for months, he'll be almost as untouchable as Greg Oden.


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