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Five things to take away from Lakers' 109-89 loss to Charlotte Bobcats

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1. The Lakers should feel embarrassed for their 109-89 loss Monday to the Charlotte Bobcats, but this games demonstrates the need for perspective

 In the words of The Simpsons' Comic Book Guy, this was the "worst Lakers loss.....ever." Or at least for the season. I'll get into the nuts and bolts in latter categories on why the Lakers' eighth loss in the last 10 games against Charlotte fits that description. But let's first establish a few things on what this game actually means.

It's not healthy to view this through a sky-is-falling prism, pointing out that the Lakers need to trade their lineup or that the defending champions' chances to three-peat are already doomed. The Lakers had just gone through a 4-0 start to their seven-game trip and are less than a week removed from defeating the Boston Celtics in what served as their most impressive win of the season. But that's exactly the same reason why the Lakers and their fans shouldn't be as equally dismissive either, citing the Lakers' boredom and fatigue, Kobe Bryant's illness or other factors to shrug off this loss. What's more egregious isn't necessarily that the Lakers didn't bring a full effort, it's that this game perfectly captures how the Lakers address their preparation, effort and games in a situational manner.

The Lakers began the season 8-0 because of their adrenaline rush of defending a second consecutive championship, newcomers wanting to fit in and the new season sparking renewed enthusiasm. As soon as adversity hit, however, the Lakers maintained an even-keel attitude but developed shortcuts in their development, ranging from cutting corners on defense, forgoing the proper way to run the triangle offense and taking little pride in mastering the nuances of the game. Last week, with anxiety over the Lakers' play at an all-time high because of their inconsistency at home and inability to beat elite teams, the Lakers stormed out to a 4-0 start to this trip only to stumble to two consecutive double-digit losses. It's only human to allow complacency and fatigue to cause adverse play, but those excuses shouldn't fly. Whether the Lakers respond with a severe beat-down Wednesday at Cleveland or allow the league's worst team to embarrass them, the Lakers should be well aware that any string of progress can quickly turn the other way if they don't continue fine-tuning their execution.

2. Bryant's illness severely affected his play

 Unless Bryant can't walk, he'll play. That's why it wasn't surprising that his missing the morning shootaround because of "aches" and "chills" did very little to convince Bryant to sit out. But there's no doubt the symptoms affected his play, ranging from his poor lift that contributed to a 20-point night on eight-of-20 shooting, little energy that led to his lazy defense on Gerald Wallace (20 points) and Gerald Henderson (18 points), and his poor concentration that contributed to his five turnovers. It's fair to say that Bryant should've sat out this one, but interestingly enough, he took pride in competing in a game nobody else had much interest in playing. Some examples: Bryant showed aggressiveness in weaving through traffic, but his missed drive resulted in Wallace converting an alley-oop on the other end. Bryant remained open on a wide-open three-pointer in the third quarter, but little lift resulted in the shot barely hitting off the front rim. A third-quarter pull-up jumper featured the same low lift that hit off the back rim.  And at the beginning of the third quarter, Henderson beat Bryant off one-dribble and drove to the rack.

Lakers11_510 3. The Lakers' poor effort appears most egregious in the hustle plays

 Their 13 turnovers contributed to 14 fast-break points for the Bobcats. Their absent interior defense allowed Charlotte to score 46 points in the paint, including 15 second-chance points. And they allowed the Bobcats to feature four players to crack double digits, including Wallace (20), Henderson (18), Boris Diaw (16) and Shaun Livingston (16). The root of this problem mostly points to the Lakers' fatigue level. That doesn't justify the situation. But it clearly showed that the Lakers aren't properly pacing themselves to make sure they have a mental edge.

Some examples: Livingston threw Derek Fisher off balance with a simplepivot before hitting a turnaround jump shot. Diaw hit a wide-open three-pointer with Lamar Odom nearwhere near to closing out. And Brown overreacted to Walace's pump fake and made little to recover, allowing Wallace to hit a buzzer-beating three-pointer to end the third quarter. It was a stretch where the Lakers were outscored, 27-19 

4. The Lakers didn't go inside enough

 Just when it appeared the Lakers finally learned the foundation of their offense rests on the frontline and Bryant's clutch play, they immediately changed course and relied on outside shooting. Bryant's sluggishness is excusable, but the team's failure to set up Pau Gasol (17 points on six-of-nine shooting) and Andrew Bynum (nine points on three-of-six shooting) is inexcusable. With Bryant's illness getting the best of them, Gasol and Bynum should be seen as the main line of attack, but instead their 15 shot attempts is a small minority of the team's 80 total shots. Firing three of 19 from three-point range and allowing Ron Artest and Shannon Brown to combine for six-of-20 shooting isn't a recipe for success. With their shots failing to drop, those two specifically should've worked more to play facilitator than scorer.

5. How does Kwame Brown do anything against the Lakers?

 He's the player who constantly frustrated the Lakers with his poor work ethic and sub-par set of skills, yet left the team giddy over managing to get rid of him in a deal that brought Gasol to the Lakers. The fact that he managed to score eight points on four-of-eight shooting says it all about the Lakers' effort.

--Mark Medina

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Photos: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant goes for a steal against Bobcats guard Gerald Wallace. Credit: Streeter Lecka / Getty Images. (Bottom) Lakers power forward Pau Gasol powers his way to a shot over Charlotte forward Boris Diaw. Credit: Chris Keane / Reuters.

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i can't wait for the end of the practice season. just like a doctor practices medicine or a lawyer practices law, the season's games are real and important and of consequence, but at the same time they are a warmup for the real life episode known as the payoff..errr..playoffs. i just hope they learn any needed lessons and stay healthy and ready.


too much selfishness on this team, but what can you expect when kid kobe is supposedly the team leader, Bynum and Gasol 3 shots in the 2nd half and height is this teams advantage over everyone else.

The seedings right now are kind of a prelude to the Playoffs.

San Antonio is the #1 seed and are going to pick the bones off Memphis, Houston, Denver or whoever they face.

Dallas or the Lakers or the Thunder as #2,3,4. Lakers have a slighty formidable schedule, than Dallas or Thunder, who's March opponents are significantly favorable. The Lakers are 1 full game behind Dallas (and have played 2 fewer games). At this point, Dallas also owns the tie-breaker (head to head [1-0]), we own the tie-breaker with OKC, we, play both squads after the All-Star break, we can do ourselves a bigger favor in the W-L column.


New Orleans or Portland #5, #6. Portland's been creepy thus far, getting Roy back (Effective or not?), and Marcus Camby boosts their depth a little bit. I could see the Lakers playing, either one of these squads, given the russian roulette of standings.

Denver, Utah, Memphis, Phoenix #7 or #8 as the eighth seed. 5 years ago, you had to have 50 wins to make the playoffs. Now that Kobe's older, Nash's older, Jerry Sloan has retired, possible/probable Melo re-location, etc. It's different now. It's not quite the Gold Star accomplishment it once was.

I do not include New Orleans in my top 3, too many losses. I don't count Houston, 30 losses. Uphill climb, for either of those two teams to make up ground.

Well, I guess this team has retained its Jekyll and Hyde persona from last season. Win a couple in a row, then lose a couple in a row...same old Lakers. The Cavs are probably lickin' their chops right about now.(LOL)

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@LRob: Here's a somewhat oldie but goodie, from my personal collection. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX8b_YvIAFE&feature=related

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Let's go Ls...all the way to a 3-peat!!!!!

Too bad we don't have a coach who stays awake during games. It would have been nice to see a time out bring back the team to play some real basketball. I can't tell you how glad I'll be to see Philip Jackson hang it up. How many times do we have to see the team NOT PLAY OUT OF IT>? Time to get rid of the whole disgusting bunch of underachievers.

What bothers me most about the Lakers is their lack of competitive fire. For the Lakers to play hard, it seems they have to be guilted into doing so. Part of the problem is that the Lakers, other than Kobe are not wired to be combative.
They don't get angry when they've been embarrassed and they never consider it an insult when other teams are outplaying them. The Lakers probably are last in the league in flagrant fouls because they simply avoid confrontation. When was the last time any of the Lakers got in someone's face or committed a hard foul or taunted anyone? It doesn't happen because this team is too cool for its own good(teams take on the personality of their coach). Yes, the title is not won in February but I would sure like to see the Lakers play with some fire instead of just sitting back letting inferior teams take them to the woodshed.

Exactly what I was thinking about Bynum and Gasol. They should have been the focal point of the offense. I mean Kwame and Diaw were defending them. Once again the Bobcats got up for this game and the Lakers took a whatever attitude into it, and that's what they got in return. Shannon is degressing and so is Blake. Artest had a decent game, but the expectations on him are low right now. It will be nice to get Barnes back. On this road trip, as the bench goes so does the team.
I don't think the Lakers have dismissed any trade possibilities, they may not involve Gasol and Bynum, but I'm sure they have their cell phones on alert mode.

Embarrassed? Fans - certainly. Phil - most likely. Buss/Kupchak - hopefully. The team - not a chance. They don't care. As in my last post, the Lackers say all the right things after one of these horrible games(???) and then go about proving that they have no heart and no interest in working hard. Kobe is done. Oh, he's still in the top scorers in the league, but his shot is gone, he can't (won't) guard anyone and is completely incapable of willing this team to victory as he has in the past. When 40% of your starting offense is a joke and the whole team refuses to pass the ball inside - even though Gasol may be the most estrogen soaked player in the league - and the bench is bi-polar then you'd better have a savior. Unless the Lackers all go to a revival soon there is no savior forthcoming. Go Cleveland - they deserve it.

That was about as bad as it gets. No sense in even analyzing it because everyone was bad. But I must find something positive to say……

silence……

more crickets….

Oh yeah, it was nice to see Ron go 2-2 from the free throw line to hopefully snap out of that 3-13 funk he was in from the line.

No comment.

@Cyber – I haven’t suggested any trades thus far. I said before and I still say no need to panic cause this team can 3peat. Someone else suggested getting Redick and Duhon. I said I didn’t want one Dukie and definitely not two of em…haha!


@GDub – smooth and funky. Nice AWB sample of “Stop the Rain”. I definitely enjoyed that one. A perfect pick me upper after watching the Lakers :-)

Latest NBA title count:

Phillip Jackson : 11

Fanner 50 : 0

We only lost by 20. No big deal, right?

I mean, they ARE the Charlotte Bobcats after all, RIGHT?

The animal alone is enough to terrify any grown man.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Okay Laker Nation….we all know that was terrible. FO knows it, Phil knows it, the players know it and of course we all know it. But check your calendar. It still says mid-February, the sun will come up in the morning and you are still fans of the greatest NBA franchise in the world…the one that’s going for a 3peat. So do not panic and don’t jump ship, the Lakers will bounce back.


@sean - enjoyed your post at 8:05.

lol LRob. I realize you really had to dig deep and search pretty hard to find that stat.

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sean: I throw out these trade scenario's because I'd like to see the Lakers get a shooter. Blake has been yet another of a long-line of shooters the Lakers acquire that have failed to live up to expectations when they get here. OK, he wasn't merely acquired for his shooting, but it was something that came along with his skillset.

Bigger names like George McCloud, Isiah Rider, Glen Rice, Mitch Richmond. Lesser ones like Mike Penberthy, VladRad. Draft picks like Brian Cook, Kareem Rush and even Sasha. All these guys were sporadic at best, a couple had some nice runs but none of those guys ever provided the dead-eye, consistent shooter they've needed.

I would like to see the Lakers make a move to shake things up, inject a little new blood onto the squad. If not for a big-name like 'Melo - then a smaller acquisition, similar to getting Mychael Thompson for example. Making the Finals this season would make 4-straight appearances, something that has happened only several times in NBA history. This is a talented bunch, but there have been far too many stretches over the past couple of months in which they look like they are playing in molasses, deep in malaise.

I'm torn because this is a veteran squad that has been through the wars. They deserve a chance to defend their titles. That is what runs through my mind. On the other hand, there is a certain reality that dawns when watching this team that there are some very apparent holes, some moves that could be made to give them a better shot. A mini-cavalry coming to help them through the playoff battles.

I'm fine if Mitch does nothing, but sometimes a veteran squad, like the Lakers are, prosper when they make some kind of a move, bring in a new body. This might be the case with the Lakers.

I might be wrong, but I think that this particular squad would benefit from seeing a new body come in and help them out.

I hope the Lakers can keep that #2 spot. Only team I am truly hoping they get home court vs is the C's. Spurs though, I think they pose a real threat here in the west. They have quite a few shooters and their big-3 have really clicked this season. They're also battle tested, although aging.


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!

NBA basketball is supposed to be Entertainment !!!Nothing entertaining about watching the Lakers play. And why is the "stubborn Master' sticking with Fisher. His is an embarassment to the Lakers, NBA, himself and his family. If he really was the " class act" people say he is he would retire.

LRob: "Someone else suggested getting Redick and Duhon. I said I didn’t want one Dukie and definitely not two of em…haha!"
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LOL what are the odds Mitch picking up a Blue Devil, let alone two? Remember seeing that somewhere on the blog, thought you had suggested it. These losses have me kinda batty, lol...


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!'

Early bed for me. Won't be hard to sleep, will just replay that game again in my mind...

MM , you refuse to acknowledge that the Lakers desperately need
a substantial trade, and further you refuse to say a discouraging word about
Fisher. You cannot continue to rely on that old bromide to wait until the
Playoffs.

A quote from the great Derek Fisher: "Everything we do is obviously going to be compared to what we've done the last two seasons," guard Derek Fisher said. "But this is an entirely different team. Half of our roster is new, so there are still things we're learning about ourselves."

Is he kdding!!!! It's 5 months into the season, it's the same starting lineup and sixth man. And he totally sucks !!! Retire old man!!!

LRob,

I don't think all fans are panicking, some will do for every loss. Many are just expressing their anger why in the world do we have such players with attitudes, without pride and without heart being the defending Champion. It is embarrassing to the winning tradition of purple and gold, to the City it represents and to its passionate fans. We know their capability to win but we just underestimated their slothfulness and underachieving attitude. Since they have been in the Finals for three consecutive years, they are assuming they could fast forward to June so meantime just play lazy-dozy basketball. Are these the role model players worthy of adulation?

@LRob- Thanks LRob, didn't start out wanting to write a fan's manifesto, it just happened like that when I got rolling.

4 games in 5 nights is tough, even more so, with this squad given the age group. Like I said in my piece, the focus, the concentration, it's there for all of them.

As a point of reference, the 01' and 02' squads had a record of 38-19 at this point. Our record is 39-18. Our record at this time last year was 43-14.

My bad, I was looking at the '02 schedule in descending order.

02' record was 40-17.

Against any team likely to be in the hunt at the end;
you've won one game all season,
and that was against a depleted and uninspired Boston squad.

You are barely above 500 in 2011.

What's to take away from the loss?

Well...as I've been telling you since last summer...

It makes absolutely no sense beating a dying horse!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ5DjJFCEXI

Go Kings!
Go SF Giants!
Go SF 49'ers!

Sonnybelfast

Let's keep point #1 in perspective. The Celtics only had an 8 man rotation in that game, yet Lakers only won by 6 points. Also, Kobe traveled with the ball but didn't get a call (watch the replay, it got caught up on his hip). I'm okay with the loss, just don't act like it was a dominating victory. You had kicked us while down. You lost to Orlando, whom we dominated. There's your perspective.

And for my money, the worst loss, the modern day lakers had was on November 30/2001 against the SuperSonics. We lost by 33 points, and Shaq missed all 107 of his free throws. That's the lowbar for me.

Well, I hate to dump on the Lakers because they are already getting it from a ton of sources,

But . . .

Did you see Ron Artest after the game joking with John Ireland? When I saw that, the first thing I thought was,

Why are you smiling after such a humiliating loss?

I think the Lakers front office will not appreciate his jovial demeanor after such a pathetic showing.

Do you remember the Dallas Cowboy player Hollywood Henderson? Right after a tough Cowboys loss, Henderson was seen on national TV mugging for the camera. Cowboys management saw that and promptly dismissed him from the team.

I don't suppose the Lakers would have the balls to reprimand Artest. Or would they?

Sports talk shows are clobbering the Lakers right now. They say that Artest needs to be traded by the deadline. They say that Fisher is a liability to the team and is only there for sentimental reasons. Everybody's head seems to be on the chopping/trading block right now.

Thank goodness we're playing the Cavs next. But if we lose that one . . . yikes, get ready for a thunderstorm of Lakers criticism.

To all non-believers here, the Lakers will be there when it counts. That has been their history in the last three years. Still, it does not support the way their manage their games during the season. Nobody will be angry if we saw EFFORTS to win out there but it is what it is. It is like in school, you can easily pinpoint the super student who has penchant for cramming and will only study during Finals, the rest of the year he will just bum around.

@BossinCeltics- Hmm, a trolling green jersey fan, posting at 20 to 2 in the morning on a Tuesday. You must be unemployed. Good luck with that.

@Sean Nope. I'm actually a self-employed graphic/web designer of 8 years. ;)

@TsupoL You should've won that game. I told my wife that if y'all lost with us having so few bodies, it would be a shame. Yet, you only won by 6.

@BossinCeltics- In these hard times, I'm glad you're not starving and have a roof over head, even if you wear the mark of the green jersey.

@Sean Thanks. NBA aside, I appreciate that and hope you are experiencing the same. Life is certainly more important than a basketball rivalry.

@BossinCeltics- It certainly is more important, brother. Going back to school for Paramedicine. I think we're being set up by our clubs. Seems like two teams on a collision course again. The way it should be.

@Sean I sure wouldn't mind the matchup! LOL! :) You can best believe we still have chips on our shoulders from last year! That loss hurt something terrible! LOL!

@Sean And all the best with school man!

Ron should not have sold his ring yet. He might have jinxed his own self because he is playing the worse basketball that I have ever seen him play. He should have sold the ring after he won another one this year. He is playing so bad. Trade him. I'd take a good college player over him right now. He is contagious and the whole team is suffering. We need another point guard that can make some baskets also. Beside that, we are good because I think Pau and Bynum will step up.
Bynum has a nerve though to be pissed off. He should have been pissed at the end of the season and went and had his surgery earlier and he would have had 50 plus games under his belt this season. He could go to an international country when he retires to see soccer. Someone should have reminded him that this is his lively hood. I never understood why he waited so late.
The lakers are frustrated because it wasn't suppose to be this hard. They are literally beating themselves at times unfortunately.

LRob,

I don't think all fans are panicking, some will do for every loss. Many are just expressing their anger why in the world do we have such players with attitudes, without pride and without heart being the defending Champion. It is embarrassing to the winning tradition of purple and gold, to the City it represents and to its passionate fans. We know their capability to win but we just underestimated their slothfulness and underachieving attitude. Since they have been in the Finals for three consecutive years, they are assuming they could fast forward to June so meantime just play lazy-dozy basketball. Are these the role model players worthy of adulation?

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | February 14, 2011 at 10:16 PM
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Edwin,

Some losses are lack of effort and laziness (today) and some they compete and the other team just beats them (yesterday)...either way fans are upset and I understand. I try to remember how difficult it is to accomplish what they're trying to do and that is what allows me to see the bigger picture. Everyone doesn't share that viewpoint and I understand that. I agree they shouldn't be applauded for lazy games like today.


I don't really look at bball players as role models. I do admire and appreciate the skills they've been blessed with and the hard work some put in to refine their craft...but role models nah because I have no idea what their values are.

As of now, for whatever reason, the "bigs" just aren't doing enough to establish a presence down low in order to demand the ball and the guards aren't doing enough to get them the ball. Just because you're open on the perimeter with 18 seconds left in the clock, it should not be taken as a “green light" to shoot the ball. For some reason, the ball isn't being moved around often enough during the shot clock to make defenders work.

You've got Ron spotting on the perimeter in just about every sequence and he's open for the "brick." Fisher - Brick. Brown - Brick. Blake - Brick. Kobe - Brick. There has to come a point in the game that the guards have to realize that the shot is not falling and that there are always 2 other guys on the floor that are at least 6'10" with a chance of a higher percentage shot. If you're unable to create your own shot to get closer to the basket, then pass the ball to someone who can and or will.

This is kind of reminding me when "Snaq" was with the team and for some reason, player(s) had to be constantly reminded to feed the ball inside in order to take advantage of the height and strength. It's time for our guards to suspend trying to shoot themselves out of slump during a game - yes, you too Ron and Lamar- and focus on working the offense.

Today - and that's the key word - the team has offensive, defensive and concentration issues that need to be resolved during the early part of the 2nd half all while trying to remain healthy for the playoffs. Number 3 is going to be earned the hard-way. NBA fans, like it or not, the Lakers are the reigning 2x champs which means the championship has to go through them first.

"Even when we didn't make the playoffs, I thought we'd win the championship." Dr. Buss

GO LAKERS & IN BUSS WE TRUST!!

frmkt,

Good post about the shaky outside shooting. Lakers only 3-19 from 3pt today (and two of those were late in the 4th) and 2-16 yesterday. That's a blazing 14% in the last 2 games. The team really needed a boost from the bench today and got zilch!

@LRob
"shaky" is being kind but what concerns me most is how the majority of those shots are so early in the clock and when they "clang," it leads to a long defensive rebound and our transition D is s-l-o-w, so it usually leads to an easy basket.

Their turnovers are another issue. Oy Vey! The team needs work so thank goodness it's still February but I have a feeling that Mitch is working the phone.

the thing about shooting is that it follows averages. the Lakers have had games where no one can miss. unfortunately, for the averages to be what they should be, there will be games where no one can hit a shot.

they may or may not threepeat, but nothing that is happening this month, except that whish i hope god forbids, a major injury, will affect that with any certainty. the fact is no matter what, HCA or not, the Lakers must defeat some strong opponents to reach the finals and win the championship. they just need to make the platoffs and then be ready. they've been to the finals 3 times in the last 3 years, so we know that the majority of the team knows what to do when it matters.

i hate the losses, but i've never seen such a collection of sanctimonious experts who will never work the big time, couch GMs, spoiled children and trolls. those of you who fit one of these descriptions know who you are. you're the one getting angry over the idea that i might be talking about you, or not...

as a fan, all you can do is hope, pray and send your best wishes and what happens, happens. waiting to see what happens is part of the fun. as a hater of the team and it's fans, all you can do is try to spoil the fans' good times, which is a sorry, sad sack sort of existance.

to the trolls and haters, congrats! your purile behavior has spoiled my enjoyment of people talking about my favorite team, regardless of good or bad news. to the few actual Lakers fans who post here, the victory is not to the strong, the swift of the sure. it is to he who can endure.

most of this talk is from those whose hopes of hoop glory and the enjoyment of other's misery have been dashed by the the Lakers over and over again. they have their day, but we have our memories and the knowledge that we actually have a shot, always.

naturally, i hate the way the team is playing at times this year(nights like tonight), and i do find it worrysome, i've even yelled at players through the tv, but i've never forgotten that it's just a basketball game, played for rings, not anything important like our lives or even more serious, our children's lives. i'm also not ready to give up on the team's ability to pull it together. they've already shown a pattern of doing that when it matters most.

Everyone doubts the lakers all season. Then when we win the championship..everyone is like..yeah i expected that....3 peat...wait till playoffs

not to the strong the swift OR the sure, but to he who can endure-

if i could actually type and not just hunt and peck like the idiot that i am, or if i'd proofread properly, i'd have gotten that a little more right...

I read most of the postings and learn more from the persons who critique the team than the eternal optimist or person who are saying the regular season is the practice season. As a Laker fan since 1981 there is something unholy about that in a basketball sense. Did the 2000 to 2002 team underachieve in the regular season at times? Yes. But you had the two most dominant players on the planet on the same team. Even last year the team was focused on having the best record and beat out boston for the seond best. Remember last year when LA had some tough playoff loses Phil response was that we are going home to right the ship. Role players play better at home. So why do la, fans included believe that we can simply just show up as the 4th or 5th team and win it all? If we do make it boston will wipe the floor with us.

they may or may not threepeat, but nothing that is happening this month except that WHICH i hope god forbids, a major injury, will affect that(3peat) with any certainty.

see what i mean? almost unintelligible when i type....

first off, there's nothing much to be learned from an LA Times blog comment critique that can't be seen with open eyes. there is little to no actual game breakdown and lots of opinions that get parroted back and forth.

second, the Lakers can win on the road. HCA is preferable, it doesn't take a lot of intelligence to understand that. it's tough to say just what, exactly will happen in the future. NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE because it just hasn't happended yet.

keep your opinion, but keep up your hopes, prayers and good vibes if you want to help make a championship for the Lakers possible. that doesn't mean you can't be angry with the team for poor performances. it does mean that shooting them won't help. there must be some really poor parents around, the kind that belittle their children at every opportunity. yes, discipline is required, maybe even a belt once or twice in a lifetime, but if you just keep hitting the kid, in deed or word, he just becomes immune, hateful and ornery.

of course, for the haters, they just wanna hate. they love trouble and misery when it applies to others, so they're doing great with this blog...

Lakers can win it all this year but some changes must be made. Phil must coach and bring fisher off the bench. Fisher is ready for the glue factory. No doubt about it. Kobe must reign in his ego and stop trying to compete with the lebrons, durants etc. He must realize that he is no longer the league's best but have the best chance to win. If he can become a distributor he can still dominate the game. Kobe is an excellent passer when he feels like but his dna is to shoot first and ask questions later. Imagine if he give bynum a confidence boost before a game by telling him to be more agressive. Or why don't he take UPS under his wings to make him a better player. If Kobe thinks that the solution is for him to shoot the lakers will falter. Book nit.

Lakers can win it all this year but some changes must be made. Phil must coach and bring fisher off the bench. Fisher is ready for the glue factory. No doubt about it. Kobe must reign in his ego and stop trying to compete with the lebrons, durants etc. He must realize that he is no longer the league's best but have the best chance to win. If he can become a distributor he can still dominate the game. Kobe is an excellent passer when he feels like but his dna is to shoot first and ask questions later. Imagine if he give bynum a confidence boost before a game by telling him to be more agressive. Or why don't he take UPS under his wings to make him a better player. If Kobe thinks that the solution is for him to shoot the lakers will falter. Book nit.

All I gotta say is that if I am taking a trip down to Portland just to see them play like they did today, I will seriously re consider my love for this organization.

(and I live in Canada so it's not like I am going from mid Oregon up to Portland)

who here has been in the training room and knows who is hobbled and who is not?

who here has been in practice and knows what, exactly the Lakers are trying to accomplish, BESIDES winning, in each game?

who here has had long conversations with Kobe, or any other Laker to know hwat they actually think?

who here has ever coached an NBA game?

who here has ACTUALLY been a staff member of an NBA team?

who here actually knows what tutoring has or has not been available to each player from each other player?

that's right. NONE of the opinions come from anyone who knows anything other than what they've been told, or the games that they've seen. as i said, nothing but opinions that anyone who watches the game(which is only the tip of the iceberg that is what is happening) or even doesn't watch the game can make. they are fun, but if they are correct, it's either though obviousness or luck. nothing else. there's no reason for chest puffing. there is precious little REAL knowledge in any of these posts, including those of the host, whom i do believe is man enough to admit it.

Well I dunno about you Mud, but I've had at least 5 texts from one Laker player so therefore I think my knowledge on how the team feels is pretty extensive

Well I dunno about you Mud, but I've had at least 5 texts from one Laker player so therefore I think my knowledge on how the team feels is pretty extensive

Did someone just say that Kobe "needs" to admit that he's not the best?

Even if true, this would not ever happen and if it did happen, it would not serve any useful purpose.

NONE of the opinions come from anyone who knows anything other than what they've been told, or the games that they've seen.
Posted by: mud
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Mud, we will never know who's who in this blog, at least not all. So we can never be so sure.


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

Now here's a weird thought...

I do not know if standing pat is the right thing or not. But if it's not the right thing for the team, the victories in Boston & NY may cause the front office to be more inclined to stand pat - and if it time shows that a move was the best thing, those victories would have actually hurt the team?

Sorry, just sort of in one of those "logic" moods and seeing paradoxes

Shout out to LRob Sir!

Tough loss, but as they say, we can't win them all.

As long as we stay healthy come playoff time, I like our chances- very much.


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

5 texts from one Laker player....

Posted by: Diandra
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DAMN! You are the lucky one. =)


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

ARE WE MOVING TOWARDS THE DOG DAYS OF 2004-2008?

Those of you who have been blogging since the time Old Man Kobe force Shaq, Karl Malone, and G Payton out of LA knows how both me and the blogger KL Beast tormented you for 4 years for the mess Kobe got the Lakers in which his "Me before the team attitude."

Contrary to what you believe about the Melo/Bynum trade, I think it's become more evident why the Lakers need to make this deal. Or in less than 2 years, those dog days will rear its ugly head again.

Old Man Kobe has a minimum of 2 more good years in his legs. How I think his ridiculous contract straps the Lakers into less choices they can make right now but that's another story. When it's all said and done and Kobe skills diminish in two years, Kobe will be sticking it to the Lakers again. Because Lakers don't have another "go-to" player but him.

This is why whatever Uncle Tom may feel, you don't hold on to a injured riddle center in Bynum just because his possible potential or because he clogs up the middle for the Lakers. You can find another player like that from another team. Just look at what Kurt Thomas is doing for the Bulls. It's easier to find a veteran post man to fill that role. Hell, the Lakers have Joe Smith who can the potential to be a veteran post player for us but PJ for some reason won't play him.

So ask yourself...........looking at the state of this team, if Old man Kobe skills diminish in 2 years, who will be our go-to player? Bynum? Gasol? Brown?

You make the deal. You see today, when Kobe is sick, the team gets destroyed because there's no other scorer who steps up in his place. This is why the Lakers need to take a serious look at the Melo deal. If they could package Artest with the deal, for a possible veteran post player as well, you secure the health of this team for years to come.

In doing this, you also open up the the possibility for D Howard to consider LA as a possible destination once he's a free agent after next season.

Is Bynum ever going to be what Howard is for the Magic? I can guarantee you this will never happen. So, what is Bynum worth to us?

1) Length on the inside
2) Rebounds and Block shots
3) Control the paint

This seems the same as what Kendrick Perkins is worth to the Celtics. But if the Big 3 were not in Boston, would Kendrick ever be a "Go-to" player? Definitely not. Which means he's just a super-duper role player.

Those players come a dime a dozen.

SO BUSS SECURE THE LAKERS FUTURE. TRADE FOR MELO!!!

OR GUNNER WILL BE HERE HUNTING THE BLOG ONCE AGAIN WHEN THIS TEAM FALLS TO MEDIOCRITY BECAUSE KOBE SKILLS DIMINISHED.

Do you remember the Sedale Threatt, Cedric Ceballos years? I know you don't want to see that again....

I don't think you and KL were here for 4 years... but it certainly felt like 4 years

You know what's funny... Gunner, who hates Kobe (an all-time top 10 player), but advocates acquiring Melo (at best an imitation Kobe)

I didn't see the game, so can anyone explain why Bynum only got 6 shot attempts, and Gasol only 9?
The two players with the highest shooting % get less than 20% of the teams total shot attempts.
Those two combined should get more shots than any one player, including Kobe.

I didn't see the game, so can anyone explain why Bynum only got 6 shot attempts, and Gasol only 9?
The two players with the highest shooting % get less than 20% of the teams total shot attempts.
Those two combined should get more shots than any one player, including Kobe.

Posted by: Art-Iamthewalrus | February 15, 2011 at 03:58 AM


They were both being controlled by Kwame Brown and Boris Diaw. This that sound like Bynum can be a Franchise Player?

>>>>>Posted by: Gunner | February 15, 2011 at 03:50 AM


YOU SPOKE TOO SOON, KID.

Please wait. The Lakers are currently planning for the 4peat. Come back when it's time. Too excited, huh?


Sincerely,

Michel de Nostredame

I don't think you and KL were here for 4 years... but it certainly felt like 4 years

Posted by: Tim-4-Show | February 15, 2011 at 03:52 AM


THOSE YEARS ARE COMING BACK AGAIN SOON....MY FRIEND.

BTW, KOBE 8-20 SHOOTING AND 5 TURNOVERS? SOUNDS LIKE THE OLD MAN HAS LOSS A FEW STEPS. I WOULD BE WORRIED RIGHT NOW, IF I WAS LAKERS FO.

They were both being controlled by Kwame Brown and Boris Diaw. This that sound like Bynum can be a Franchise Player?
Posted by: Gunner |
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Gasol and Bynum controlled by Kwame and Diaw?
They controlled the international super star and The Beast?
Lol.
No, really, cmon...

>>>>KOBE 8-20 SHOOTING AND 5 TURNOVERS? SOUNDS LIKE THE OLD MAN HAS LOSS A FEW STEPS. I WOULD BE WORRIED RIGHT NOW, IF I WAS LAKERS FO. Posted by: Gunner | February 15, 2011 at 04:19 AM


It's only ONE game. Again, you spoke too soon.


Sincerely,

Michel de Nostredame

The excuse of "it's just one regular season game" has reached a boiling point. One purpose of the regular season is developing winning habits that are adapted to the unique challenges of the present season. They can't assume what worked the past two championship years will work again this year. I believe there is such a thing as "quality losses" as long as they practice good habits in the losing effort. However, their losses, and even their wins, this season has not convinced me (yet) that they are serious championship contenders.

The excuse of "it's just one regular season game" has reached a boiling point. One purpose of the regular season is developing winning habits that are adapted to the unique challenges of the present season. They can't assume what worked the past two championship years will work again this year. I believe there is such a thing as "quality losses" as long as they practice good habits in the losing effort. However, their losses, and even their wins, this season has not convinced me (yet) that they are serious championship contenders.

Oh come on.

Sure the Lakers have had their fair share of struggles, but predicting they're going to completely fall off the cliff is a bit much.

45-37?

Now, that's funny.LOL!


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

I agree that they won't completely fall off the cliff, but they need to start developing those winning habits now before it is too late. Lakers will probably finish with a decent winning record that most teams would envy, but their standard is much higher - its championship or fail. Losing in the Conference Finals to the Spurs will be disappointing.

Posted by: boynamedsue | February 15, 2011 at 04:39 AM

Come on man! I know you are one of the faithfuls, we can do this!


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

Lakers really need to get meloWe need a shooter like him to help attack.bynums length is helpful but the 6 years hes been there hes missed way to many games.you dont turn down an oppurtunity to obtain a young allpro like melo besides he six eight and healthy.Bynums so called length has not been a factor simply because of his abseentism during the regular season or the playoffs.melos play and stats will make up for bynums lack of consistencyand abseentism.And melos play will help make up for artests lack of offense and . We need melo it shows now.You dont turn dont the oppurtunity to obtain such as melo it will only be a plus.and why not mitch signed a bunch of new bench players who are out.obtaining melo isnt a panic move its a power move obtaining melo will help kobe ask him hell tell you melos an olympian who can score and rebound a big plus for us

Hey, I still have faith in the Lakers! =) Like any dedicated Lakers fan, I am hoping they will turn the corner soon. At the same time, I do not want to be in denial of their current deficiencies and struggles.

Hello

Police here; whats up JovBatz!! Bad loss last night; the PSP didn't see the game but the only thing that shocked me about the box score was the margin of victory the bobcats had. We have a habit of losing to them but didn't think it would be that bad.

Gunner, is that really you? Are you back or just stopping in to throw a few jabs? :-)

The PSP do hope something clicks somewhere or the proverbial flip is switched because with the way we are playing, teams like OKC gotta be praying to get us in the first round of the playoffs.

Thanks
PSP Intern

Posted by: boynamedsue | February 15, 2011 at 05:17 AM


I feel you Sir. It's all good! We can & will do this!


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

Mud,

you wrote: who here has ACTUALLY been a staff member of an NBA team?

my response: NuggetsCountry claims to have been a professional basketball
player. a forward if memory servers.

Come on man! I know you are one of the faithfuls, we can do this! LAKERS ALL DAY!!! Posted by: JovBatz44 | February 15, 2011 at 05:08 AM
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Well I'm one of the faithful and...HELL YEAH JOVBATZ44...WE GOT THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good morning my brother!! I see you holding down the fort and fighting the good fight. I couldn't let you fight alone!! Was there a game last night? LOL!!!

We have a habit of losing to them but didn't think it would be that bad.

Posted by: Practice Season Police
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Good day PSP Sir,

Good thing the Bobcats are playing in the East & are never in the playoffs, or else, no 3peat! LOL.

Seriously, with fatigue catching up(which was evident in Kobe's situation) & our losing history to the Bobcats, I was actually expecting that loss(bad as it may sound).


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

I wonder what's gonna happen this upcoming game,if the Lakers will lose against Cavz. Posted by: TsupoL | February 15, 2011 at 05:40 AM
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Come on Tsupol, don't you know? If we lose to the Cavs we'll simply call it a "Practice Game!!!" LOL!! Carry on sir.

The PSP do hope something clicks somewhere or the proverbial flip is switched because with the way we are playing, teams like OKC gotta be praying to get us in the first round of the playoffs.

Posted by: Practice Season Police
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PSP Sir,

You know damn well that the SWITCH will be flipped! It will be flipped when the time comes. If not, then............... I'll cry! LOL


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

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You know damn well that the SWITCH will be flipped! It will be flipped when the time comes. If not, then............... I'll cry! LOLPosted by: JovBatz44 | February 15, 2011 at 05:43 AM
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PREACH JOVBATZ44, PREACH BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mamba24!

The PSP see you are in playoff form already! Perhaps we can get you to travel to El Segundo and give the team a pep talk?

Thanks
PSP Intern

I wonder what's gonna happen this upcoming game,if the Lakers will lose against Cavz. Posted by: TsupoL | February 15, 2011 at 05:40 AM
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Come on Tsupol, don't you know? If we lose to the Cavs we'll simply call it a "Practice Game!!!" LOL!! Carry on sir.

Posted by: Mamba24 | February 15, 2011 at 05:42 AM
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LARRY!!!

Good to see you brother! You 100% now? Hope you have fully recovered.

Yep, too bad tsupol don't know about the "Practice Games".... LOL! He has no clue that only the WINS count, that's why our Lakers are only given 55-65 games a year, depending on the WINS, not 82 games. LOL!


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

@JovBatz44, Good to see you too my brother. Yeah I was feeling like a truck ran over me yesterday...and that was before the game. Lol! But the BobCats for some crazy reason always have had our number so these two losses were to be expected. As a wise man said this team is built for the playoffs not the regular season. And as another wise man said...LAKERS ALL DAY!!!!!!!!!!!

Guys!! The PSP thought we weren't supposed to joke around with 'practice' games anymore! Lol, oh wait I guess that would be JUST since MM said he got his eye on me, siiiiiiiiiigh

JovBatz44

We shall all congregate here and cry together, hopefully that won't be the case!

Thanks
PSP Intern

Mamba24!
The PSP see you are in playoff form already! Perhaps we can get you to travel to El Segundo and give the team a pep talk? Posted by: Practice Season Police | February 15, 2011 at 05:48 AM
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Good Morning Practice Season Police! What's up my brother. Sure I'll travel there but only if accompanied by those two outstanding Lakerholics PSP and JovBatz44! LOL! Seriously, the team is good! They do this ISH every season. They don't need a Pep talk they just need this "Practice Season" to be over so the Real games can start!!!!

Was there a game last night? LOL!!!

Posted by: Mamba24 | February 15, 2011 at 05:32 AM
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NONE THAT I KNOW!!!!!LOL!!!

But the BobCats for some crazy reason always have had our number so these two losses were to be expected. As a wise man said this team is built for the playoffs not the regular season. And as another wise man said...LAKERS ALL DAY!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mamba24 | February 15, 2011 at 05:56 AM
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Even Coach Phil don't know the reason. I guess we will never know too...LOL.

Regarding the wise man that said, "LAKERS ALL DAY", Don't know, he might not be that wise, probably mediocre at best...LOL!


LAKERS ALL DAY!!! oppsssss...Did I just said that? Maybe, he was wise after all...LOL!

lakers rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

don't worry lakers fan we will get melo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hooray! Another stinker!

3 reasons why the Lakers play like this:
1. They don't give a flying F.
2. They are utterly stupid.
3. Both of the above.

A telling play was when Nazr Mohammed got two consecutive wide open looks under the basket. Nice D.

I could live with the loss to Orlando, because we all knew our loveable guys would let us down sooner or later. But this???

I don't know if Time Warner made such a good deal. Who'd wanna pay to see this kind of crap? Ha ha, suckers!

We shall all congregate here and cry together, hopefully that won't be the case!

Posted by: Practice Season Police | February 15, 2011 at 06:00 AM
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JB44: I firmly believe there will be no crying PSP Sir. No crying this year.


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Mamba24!
The PSP see you are in playoff form already! Perhaps we can get you to travel to El Segundo and give the team a pep talk? Posted by: Practice Season Police | February 15, 2011 at 05:48 AM

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JB44: If Mamba24 would give the pep talk to the Lakers, then I guess Fisher will have to retire!!! Larry will fire up our Lakers even on games against the dreaded BOBCATS!!


LAKERS ALL DAY!!!

CAN WE FLIP THE SWITCH
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If anybody is worried whether we can Flip the switch, Repeat after me WE GOT THIS
The Switch has been flipped every season to date, So believe in the Lakers and stop the Hate
After all these championships you’d think we’d believe, There is nothing The Lakers can’t achieve
Every season has its funny ups and downs, but more times than not Lakers end up with the crown
So if you think this 3-PEAT the Lakers will miss, Tell them about it Justa…WE GOT THIS
One season they went into the playoffs on a losing streak, They Flipped the switch and what a treat
They never lost a game for 3 series in a row. They just flipped the switch and off they did go.
In those playoffs they never should have lost, But AI was determined to win one no matter the cost.
They ended up wining 16 and losing one, After predictions in the playoffs they’d be one series & done
Still some of you are having doubts these playoffs we’ll miss, OK all together Nation “WE GOT THIS”
Let me tell yall what is on the line, maybe then some of you will fall back in line,
Kobe will get his 6th ring to tie him with MJ, Then he’ll eventually pass him and rule the day
Phil is already the greatest coach you see, But a 12th Ring will increase his legend in Lakers History
A quadruple 3-Peat for Phil and Double for Mamba and Fish, Tell them Justa WE GOT THIS!!!!
So savor this season like it’s made of gold, years from now tales of this season will be told
Appreciate what you got in Kobe Bryant, A once in a lifetime true Basketball Giant
Also appreciate the LakersBlog Family, Don’t know about you but it means a lot to me
Get ready Laker Nation soon They will Flip the Switch, I smile cause I know that WE GOT THIS

The Valentine's Day Massacre... Charlotte 109, Lakers 89.

If if weren't for Mrs. DBDH & I cooking a delicious (and romantic) dinner together, the whole night would've been a disaster. What a stinker.


DBDH!

Regarding the wise man that said, "LAKERS ALL DAY", Don't know, he might not be that wise, probably mediocre at best...LOL!! Posted by: JovBatz44 | February 15, 2011 at 06:08 AM
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Mediocre? JovBatz44?...AW HELL NAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why the guy is...OUT FREAKIN STANING SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alright listen up guys, after my short assessment on the recent games in the roadtrip and Magic Lakers game I gave the Lakers more credit than they deserved. I predicted the Lakers would have won by 4 give or take, I was dead wrong, I thought they would somehow muster up enough energy even with an sick Kobe to steal a win, boy was I wrong. That just put me out of the betting business. But betting is good, listen up, we need to come up with creative trade scenarios that can help .. ok Ill calm down, but if we lose against the Cavs throw me a list of NBA players, and teams that need a somewhat lock-down defender (Ron-Ron) and teams with somewhat bloated short-term contracts they don't want (since that is what we will likely have to take). vis-a-vis NYK Ron-ron and Melo trade-deadline and Lakers offering Blake +/or Brown with draft picks for somebody such as a K Hinrich or Stephen Jackson/Gerald Wallace. Ron is a tough sell to anyone unless they truly need a defensive stopper.. and taking into consideration change of scenery and style will somehow revitalize his career there, but then theres 4 yrs $6Mil, that's a lot. The only good thing is Ron stays healthy and is dependable just to fill that roster spot, for the time being. Let me go back to the Cavs for a sec, as long as Kobe is closer to normal we should be fine. Goooo Lakers!

Regarding the wise man that said, "LAKERS ALL DAY", Don't know, he might not be that wise, probably mediocre at best...LOL!Posted by: JovBatz44 | February 15, 2011 at 06:08 AM
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Mediocre? JovBatz44?...AW HELL NAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why the guy is...OUT FREAKIN STANING SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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