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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 109-89 loss to Charlotte Bobcats

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We will have a chat at 10:30 a.m. today so bring your questions!

Game stories

--The Times' Mike Bresnahan criticizes the Lakers' effort in their 109-89 loss Monday to the Charlotte Bobcats.

--The Charlotte Observer's Ron Green Jr. explains why the Bobcats have the Lakers' number.

--The Daily News' Elliott Teaford notes the Lakers' regression.

---The Orange County Register's Mark Whicker notices the Lakers' loss to Charlotte left them speechless.

Notebooks

--The Daily News' Teaford highlights Lamar Odom's complaints about the team's effort.

--The Orange County Register's Whicker notes Derek Fisher's belief that the grinding schedule has affected the Lakers' fatigue level.

--NBA.com's Derek S. Smith highlights a few nuggets from the Lakers-Bobcats game.

Sidebars

--The Times' Broderick Turner highlights Andrew Bynum's gripes about lacking of playing time and touches.

--The Times' Joe Flint details the 20-year-deal between the Lakers and Time Warner Cable.

--The Charlotte Observer's Scott Fowler highlights the Bobcats' dominance over the Lakers. Fowler also argues Phil Jackson and Kobe Bryant were "sore losers" for Jackson's Twitter-length comments to the media and Bryant avoiding reporters altogether.

--The Daily News' Tom Hoffarth also focuses on the Lakers' deal with Time Warner Cable.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin focuses on the message Jackson may have sent with his short post-game press conference. McMenamin also explains why Jackson has no desire to work for Michael Jordan with the Charlotte Bobcats.

--Fox Sports' Billy Witz details the Lakers' state of embarrassment.

--Sports Illustrated's Lee Jenkins assesses in the video below whether the Lakers are in trouble.

Blogs

--ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky breaks down the Lakers' loss to the Bobcats.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell details the Lakers' loss in a running diary.

--Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore argues the Lakers couldn't have put together any worse of an effort against Charlotte.

Tweet of the Day: "I think Lakers would trade always losing in Charlotte for the ring count - but in February, fans want blood" -- EricPincus (Hoops World's Eric Pincus)

Reader Comment of the Day: "To all non-believers here, the Lakers will be there when it counts. That has been their history in the last three years. Still, it does not support the way their manage their games during the season. Nobody will be angry if we saw EFFORTS to win out there but it is what it is. It is like in school, you can easily pinpoint the super student who has penchant for cramming and will only study during Finals, the rest of the year he will just bum around." -- Edwin Gueco

--Mark Medina

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Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant works in the post against Bobcats forward Stephen Jackson in the first half Monday night. Credit: Sam Sharpe / US Presswire

 
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Dude...It's amagzing how you Lakerholic still pull this "WE GOT THIS" out the crack of your BUTTS. You ain't GOT $hit, but another BEATDOWN.

"Lamar Odom's complaints about the team's effort"...
I've officially seen it all. You know it's one cold day when Lamar is the one complaining about the effort...

"Derek Fisher's belief that the grinding schedule has affected the Lakers' fatigue level."
Yeah, because everyone knows the Lakers have the worst schedule in the league. Seriously - instead of pep talks, he's now coming up with reasons why they can't perform.

And Pincus my man... there's a fallacy in your statement. There's no relation between losing in the regular season and winning in June. It's not like the basketball gods asked the team which one they wanted (since they can only have one)

And Pincus my man... there's a fallacy in your statement. There's no relation between losing in the regular season and winning in June. It's not like the basketball gods asked the team which one they wanted (since they can only have one)
Posted by: Tim-4-Show | February 15, 2011 at 08:11 AM
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NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!! Preach Tim-4-Show, Preach!!!

CAN WE FLIP THE SWITCH…HELL WE GOT THIS
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If anybody is worried whether we can Flip the switch, Repeat after me WE GOT THIS
The Switch has been flipped every season to date, So believe in the Lakers and stop the Hate
After all these championships you’d think we’d believe, There is nothing The Lakers can’t achieve
Every season has its funny ups and downs, but more times than not Lakers end up with the crown
So if you think this 3-PEAT the Lakers will miss, Tell them about it Justa…WE GOT THIS
One season they went into the playoffs on a losing streak, They Flipped the switch and what a treat
They never lost a game for 3 series in a row. They just flipped the switch and off they did go.
In those playoffs they never should have lost, But AI was determined to win one no matter the cost.
They ended up wining 16 and losing one, After predictions in the playoffs they’d be one series & done
Still some are having doubts these playoffs we’ll miss, All together Laker Nation “WE GOT THIS”
Let me tell yall what is on the line, maybe then you will believe everything will be just fine
Kobe will get his 6th ring to tie him with MJ, Then he’ll eventually pass him and rule the day
Phil is already the greatest coach you see, But a 12th Ring will increase his legend in Lakers History
A quadruple 3-Peat for Phil and Double for Mamba and Fish, Tell them Justa WE GOT THIS!!!!
So savor this season like it’s made of gold, years from now tales of this season will be told
Appreciate what you got in Kobe Bryant, A once in a lifetime true Basketball Giant
Also appreciate the LakersBlog Family, Don’t know about you but it means a lot to me
Get ready Laker Nation soon They will Flip the Switch, I smile cause I know that, WE GOT THIS

What is up with Fisher's quote in the OC register article?

""We know we're going to get compared to the other teams, but we're trying to find the team we have now," he said. "Half our guys are new."

Half the guys are new? Who is he talking about? Matt Barnes and Theo Ratliff are hurt. Ebanks and Caracter don't play meaningful minutes. So that leaves Steve Blake. Is he trying to say Steve Blake is throwing things off?

RCOTD = EDWIN GUECO = OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!! KUDOS!!!
THE SWAGGER!!! THE SWAGGER!!!! Go on Edwin with your Bad Self!!!
Yep, that's my mentor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Half the guys are new? Who is he talking about? Matt Barnes and Theo Ratliff are hurt. Ebanks and Caracter don't play meaningful minutes. So that leaves Steve Blake. Is he trying to say Steve Blake is throwing things off? Posted by: Bay to LA | February 15, 2011 at 08:29 AM
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Edwin - Congrats on your RCOTD.


@Bay to LA - I thought that was very strange also. Perhaps DFish should've took a cue from Phil and just said it was embarrassing...or did like Kobe and just said nothing.

OK We need some Density in here! Sing it Beyonce!!
http://tinyurl.com/4c8kw2z - - I’m A survivor – Destiny’s Child

We can only hope we don't see the Bobcats in the Finals!

We can only hope we don't see the Bobcats in the Finals!
Posted by: Mark G | February 15, 2011 at 08:55 AM
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THE HORROR!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK ALL YOU LAKERHOLICS, SHAKE IT OFF AND STAND UP AND SING!!!
HIT IT!!! http://tinyurl.com/ylp3qqc _ I Love LA

If I hear some version of “wait until the playoffs” again
I think I will gag. Past is only prologue when it is. Past
is past and nothing more. I guess if there is nothing
to cheer about presently, perhaps it is therapeutic
to rant about the switch being thrown during
playoffs, assuming the team ,makes it that far.

Wow, anoher horrible game agianst a below .500 opponent. Another loss... Another embarrassment... This team is like Jekyl and Hyde. You never know which one you will get. One team plays really great defense and has so many offensive weapons it makes your head spin. The other couldn't stop my grandmother from driving the lane and can't buy a basket (or a rebound). There is obvioulsy a switch. Who keeps messing with it? Leave the damn thing in the "on" position.

Fisher's comment is funny. Half the guys are new... In a way, it is true. There are five new guys. This definitely effects team cmemistry. They also lost two guys (who played real hard) in Jordon and Sasha. In a way, it isn't true of course as Bay to La points out - the only new guy to play real minutes against the Hornets was Blake.

The only guy to consistently give a crap is Kobe. With him sick, the rest of the crew looked lost. They were obviously really pissed about the Orlando game and it spilled over. Part of the problem is the whole "PJ's last season" deal. I wish he would shut up about it. If he is going to quit at the end of the season, then we will worry about that then. What does it have to do with this season? It is a huge distraction. Everytime he mentions it, the team starts playing like crap. They made a big thing about the last game in NY, and they lost the next two games. This happened earlier in the season as well. For some reason, it is creating disfunction.

It is easy to be a fan when things are going well. It has been challenging this year. I prefered the days when we tried real hard and lost because we didn't have that many good players (2 or 3). Watching spoiled millionaires play like they don't give a crap makes it hard to give a crap myself. I do because...

I am a Lakerholic.

MM,

Its time for a thread on our D. Fish problem. Phil and Mitch (to lesser degree) made a poor choice in Fisher over Farmer and Sasha. A much better decision that I advocated at the time was to NOT re-sign Fisher. Resign Farmar to start with Sasha and Brown rotating. Young energy from the guard spot would have sparked.

Lakers salary implications would have been about the same. As I said at the time, Farmar is better than Blake. Sasha is better than Blake too. Its ironic folks say "Lakers need a shooter" when the Lakers traded Sasha without giving him a chance this year.

Now what?

Javaris Crittendon - cheap, talented, young energy, hungry ...

Lakers need a quick high energy guard NOT another 30 something "vet"

Fisher should not be in the team.

Sick too - sick of the lack of effort.

I officially believe they will turn on the switch at playoffs and maybe this is how they have collectively decided to "manage the regular season".

I do agree about the "half the guys are new" statement. All of the new guys are the practice partners! And since Kobe, Fish and others are limited during practice, they have to be out there running the system.

PJ doesn't like rookies but this season he was given no choice because of the payroll. While they may not be used, the rooks may HAVE to be used given foul problems or (god forbid) injury. They still have to learn to mesh WITH the starters. And that takes time.

Unfortunately, Theo and Barnes are missing good chunks of real time. I think we all agree we are going to NEED Barnes and Blake in the playoffs. And they will have to be confident when stepping on the floor - all of them will.

We don't have patience as fans but it does take time to get the whole team to peak when they need to. Luckily, our team doesn't have to peak for another 2.5 months.


Cheers - PLG

OK, so I'm officially fed up beyond belief! If I have to hear how the difference maker in any given game is LO or Pau or AB or (??? - anybody but Kobe), I am gonna scream. THE DIFFERENCE IN EVERY LAKER GAME IS KOBE BEAN BRYANT! They win because Kobe is this team. Pau, AB, LO have no competitive fire; they are happy to collect their paycheck and have a full notebook of platitudes and excuses ready at a moment's notice when they predictably do not produce and lose. Kobe is first ballot (should be unanimous, except for the ESPN/NY idiot writers who have the tired Colorado bias going) Hall of Famer. He is the difference in every game! The rest is noise level. How he goes is how this team goes. Can you imagine how the Lakers without Kobe would look?!?

1. Defenders always packed in the paint, since nobody else can make any shot outside of 16 feet, apparently.

2. No drive, since PJ and his coaching company seem reluctant to fire up anybody on this team, either during opponent's runs or at practice.

3. Mediocre record, not even making the playoffs most likely.

KOBE IS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN ANY GAME, BECAUSE THE REST ARE SCRUBS COMPARED TO HIM!!!!

If the rest were true difference makers, then games like last night would never happen (when Kobe is ill and has no business being on the floor.)

Thanks for the props MM, Mamba24 and LRob, didn't expect my post with grammatical errors got to RCOTD, as usual treat those errors as my usual self no time to edit & preview posts.

Going back to the Lakers, we need to go back to the STICK theory i.e give them hell. After winning 4 games, we offered all kinds of CARROTS with different flavor, look what happened how they treated these spoils. You just can't give them all the praises and adoration like others would do, you have to evaluate the values they give back to their fans. They have to earn each praise. They're professionals and playing for the mecca of entertainment - LA. Look at the entertainers at the award winners at Grammy and Oscars, they're professionals too and got/will get the award because of their EFFORTS put in their work. It is not just money, contracts or All Star fame, you have to be HONEST to your chosen profession and fans. Right now they're piece of garbage about to be pick up by recyclers but tomorrow in Cleveland you will see another persona, they will play their best. Yeah, beating Cleveland is the proof of the pudding and would rationalize 5-2 as a successful trip. Sounds familiar of a child put on TIME OUT corner because of mischievousness, then will BS his parents for lofty accomplishments.

the only thing good about yesterdays loss for me, was....i didn't see it! thank god for small favors! the nbatv "gods" spared me the pain by showing the thrilling spurs/nets game, ha ha. speaking of the spurs, they do take care of business. i've got a great idea for p.j. and his staff. just show video games of the spurs victories, that way the Lakers can watch a team that gives a crap about showing up, night in and night out!

This team is very frustrating. Why should I even watch a regular season game that's not against a top team? Heck, why should I watch any regular season game this year? They seem pretty meaningless based on how the Lakers play them. It's like they pick and choose which games to play hard and with passion.

This season is a season where I haven't been really paying too much mind to the Lakers. It's like a waste of time. These guys just go through the motions way too much. If that's how they approach their games, that's how I will approach these games too.

It sucks because it seems that we'll have to wait until our backs are against the wall to see the Laker team that we're used to seeing. Well, as long as we win the championship....

Go Lakers!
Go Aztecs!

Sick too - sick of the lack of effort. We don't have patience as fans but it does take time to get the whole team to peak when they need to. Luckily, our team doesn't have to peak for another 2.5 months.
Cheers – PLG Posted by: PsychedLakerGirl | February 15, 2011 at 09:12 AM
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Yes, Yes, Yes!!! Now that Foklks is a “Real Lakers Girl” Preach Psyched, Preach!!!
Oh by the way…OUT FREAKIN STANDING MA’AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is easy to be a fan when things are going well. It has been challenging this year. I prefered the days when we tried real hard and lost because we didn't have that many good players (2 or 3). Watching spoiled millionaires play like they don't give a crap makes it hard to give a crap myself. I do because...
I am a Lakerholic. Posted by: Lakerholic | February 15, 2011 at 09:08 AM
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AW SWEET JESUS!!! I Feel like I’m at Church this morning with all this fine Preaching!!
Yes you are a Lakerholic . And yes you too are also….OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!

Wash, Rinse, Repeat
Wash, Rinse, Repeat
Wash, Rinse, Repeat

Same as it ever was...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-io-kZKl_BI

At least I still have the Clippers to watch- they bring it every night, even if they lose most of them. I'm not as attached to them, so when they do lose, it doesn't hurt like with the Lakers.

The only guy to consistently give a crap is Kobe. With him sick, the rest of the crew looked lost. They were obviously really pissed about the Orlando game and it spilled over. Part of the problem is the whole "PJ's last season" deal. I wish he would shut up about it. If he is going to quit at the end of the season, then we will worry about that then. What does it have to do with this season? It is a huge distraction.

Posted by: Lakerholic | February 15n, 2011 at 09:08 AM

What's up Lakerholic. Yeah, well it's Phil Jackson. No coach with a bigger ego than Jackson. The thing with coaches, is that when one of them has won 11 rings, the ego stretches through the roof. Phil, thinks, his way is better than everyone else's. All great coaches have that complex. No one put a gun to his head, and frankly, he's making 12 million a season

I'm not one to break stride. They shouldn't either. They keep saying, they shouldn't overlook their opponents. They'll be ready for the playoffs. It's on them now.

@LRob- What Odom said about control is similar to what Lee talked about. Lamar needs to get it straight. If they were in control they wouldn't have been down by 6 at halftime and wouldn't have lost by 20. Lakers lack that discipline, LRob, they win 4 in a row, get fat, then lay an egg.

OKC is breathing right down our necks, we have 3 games at hand on them and are only 1 game up in the loss column. I think March will make it harder to catch Dallas if we keep playing like this. Like I said, I'm not one to whine or cry, lose, or jump around after a win.

We can say we can wait till the playoffs for the glory. Well, I feel for people who pay $500.00 a ticket only to see the Lakers lose by 20. Unfortunately, they really don't care (aside from Bryant), some players are conscious of it, others aren't.

The Lakers to need to form their Voltron and blaze through these lesser opponents. I feel like watching them lose games with the pedestrian passion they showed in Charlotte is like having a Mustang Cobra with only 1st and 2nd gear. It's maddening, yet so tantalizing. Ah, what could've been...


DBDH!

THE DIFFERENCE IN EVERY LAKER GAME IS KOBE BEAN BRYANT! They win because Kobe is this team. Pau, AB, LO have no competitive fire; they are happy to collect their paycheck and have a full notebook of platitudes and excuses ready at a moment's notice when they predictably do not produce and lose. Kobe is first ballot (should be unanimous, except for the ESPN/NY idiot writers who have the tired Colorado bias going) Hall of Famer. He is the difference in every game! The rest is noise level. How he goes is how this team goes. . KOBE IS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN ANY GAME, BECAUSE THE REST ARE SCRUBS COMPARED TO HIM!!!!
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GOD!#$^%^$$$!!!!! PUT THIS MAN IN THE MAMBA CLAN AND PUT HIM IN IT NOW!!!!!!!!! PREACH MY BROTHER, PREACH!!!!!

Ok guys I think I've figured out a way to get through these pathetic lackluster laker games stress free..

All you need is Tivo or any other recording device.. Just record the game and DO NOT WATCH LIVE.. Wait for final score then visit the blog and read some comments... That is all you need to know.. After games like last night you can go straight to the clicker and DELETE RECORDING.

I tried it last night for the first time.. Thanks to tivo I've never missed a game last 5 years and now thanks to Tivo I can be more selective what game to watch.. Saved me a stress free night and spent quality time with family and even caught up on some chores around the house. If these lakers are gonna take games off then maybe us fans should too.


Frankly, I was too upset last night to post anything because I knew it would sound like a Linda-Blair-in-Omen moment (demonic voices spewing from head spinning round). So I slept it off and now have a few somewhat lucid reflections on what that mess was all about and where we find ourselves with this particular version of the Lakers.

1) The Good News AND the Bad News: this team was built solely for the playoffs and specifically to beat the Celtics. It's meant for half-court, slowed-down, highly focused, repetitive games against well-studied opponents. In the regular season however, you get amped-up wild card opponents who helter-skelter this team to death. Think Harlem Globetrotters running around, over, and through the plodding Washington Generals. The only thing the Bobcats didn't pull on us was the fake water bucket trick.

2) The Really Bad News: in putting together this type of veteran, half-court-oriented team, we've traded away what little foot speed (Arriza), youth (Farmar), and aggressiveness (Sasha) we had for a dubious return of veteran savvy (Artest, Blake, Smith). The ONLY remnant of foot speed and aggressiveness we got out of our trades was Barnes. (Ron Ron has regressed in both categories.) The end result is that if we start missing our perimeter shots (DUH!) the other teams are taking off in transition and just slaloming through our slow defenders. And when it rains missed shots, like last night, it really pours.

3) The Good News: yeah, I'm crazy and a Lakerholic, but we're STILL going to get it done in June. Laker Amigos...LET'S RIDE!!!

Ok guys I think I've figured out a way to get through these pathetic lackluster laker games stress free..All you need is Tivo or any other recording device.. Just record the game and DO NOT WATCH LIVE.. Wait for final score then visit the blog and read some comments... That is all you need to know.. After games like last night you can go straight to the clicker and DELETE RECORDING.Posted by: yellofever | February 15, 2011 at 09:33 AM
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GENIUS!!!! SHEER GENIUS I SAY!!!! Yes I shall try this technique from now on!!! May the Basketball Gods Bless you Yellow Fever!!!!!

Here's an interesting question:

When did it become passe to "do your best every time"?

Yes, it's a long season. When did it become "all right" to lose games?

3) The Good News: yeah, I'm crazy and a Lakerholic, but we're STILL going to get it done in June. Laker Amigos...LET'S RIDE!!! Posted by: CornerJ | February 15, 2011 at 09:34 AM
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(4) The Real Good News, Yes you are a Lakerholic but, you aren't crazy my Brother and HELL YEAH, We will get it done in June!!. Now...Laker Nation & Laker Amigos...LETS' RIDE!!!!
HIT IT: http://tinyurl.com/ylp3qqc _ I Love LA

PJ should have sat Kobe to rest. You know Kobe, if he can walk, he's gonna play. The only minor concern and I stress minor, is the fact that San Ant is walking over everyone, but this is NOT June! Would I like the Lakers to being playing as well, yes, but the 7 game, every other day, playoff system is totally different than the regular season. Come on Laker faithful, we seen this script the last three years and that's turned out pretty well.

Here's an interesting question:

When did it become passe to "do your best every time"?

Yes, it's a long season. When did it become "all right" to lose games?

Posted by: hobbitmage | February 15, 2011 at 09:39 AM

It's never become "all right" to lose games. I can feel for Kobe, he's old school, he doesn't use twitter or social networking, if you want to talk to him call him up or go see him. I see his teammates all getting wrapped up in it, selling their perfume, music, whatever. He's more frustrated and upset, than we could possibly be. I don't play for the Lakers, neither do you hobbitmage, we don't have to look ourselves in the mirror after a 20 pt loss, they do.

Mamba.. Haha thanks.. I would record every game and just automatically watch every single damn game like clockwork like i was naturally obligated to as loyal fan.. Then last night I don't know how it just hit me! I just somehow figured out I can just delete the damn game and not watch.. I know it aint rocket science but it works... Feels kinda liberating... I think I'll try it more often.. LOL

DAG!!! This LakersBlog is more potent than any TheraFlu or Antibiotic!!!! Thank you LakersBlog…Carry On!
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Here's an interesting question: When did it become passe to "do your best every time"? Yes, it's a long season. When did it become "all right" to lose games? Posted by: hobbitmage | February 15, 2011 at 09:39 AM
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NEVER, GOD!!@@@@!&& NEVER!!!! KUDOS HOBBITMAGE!!!!!

"Ok guys I think I've figured out a way to get through these pathetic lackluster laker games stress free..

All you need is Tivo or any other recording device.. Just record the game and DO NOT WATCH LIVE.. Wait for final score then visit the blog and read some comments... That is all you need to know.. After games like last night you can go straight to the clicker and DELETE RECORDING.

I tried it last night for the first time.. Thanks to tivo I've never missed a game last 5 years and now thanks to Tivo I can be more selective what game to watch.. Saved me a stress free night and spent quality time with family and even caught up on some chores around the house. If these lakers are gonna take games off then maybe us fans should too.

Posted by: yellofever | February 15, 2011 at 09:33 AM "


yellofever: I claimed this was how I was going to do it a month ago and unfortunately did not follow through on my instinct. I did, however, turn off the game for the first time ever after the 3rd quarter last night and spent quality time with Mrs. NuggetsCountry watching her TIVOed recordings. Better investment of time than wondering how (if this team was me) I could make $1 mil each day I showed up for work and didn't perform my job at even a 50% level and expect to not get fired!

As someone above stated, the Spurs show up for every game, win or lose. That is a coaching situation folks for those who have been there, done that. I do agree that this PJ last year's tour bit is distracting and egocentric - and it may be a better move for him to follow Jerry Slaon out the door before the All-Star game and maybe get some coach in with passion and who will kick butt like Kobe does in practice.


I know it aint rocket science but it works... Feels kinda liberating... I think I'll try it more often.. LOL Posted by: yellofever | February 15, 2011 at 09:50 AM
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It's usually the simple things that work the best! Thank you my brother!

I cannot believe that some of you people STILL want Derek Fisher gone. Kobe's Lakers haven't won a title without him. Derek Fisher was the catalyst for LA's only road win v. these C's in the 2008 and 2010 Finals and put away the Orlando Magic in the 2009 Finals with critical shots.

All of his liabilities are noted but if you don't choose to ride or die with D-Laker, after he's proven time and time again that his account is "to the good" end of the season, perhaps you haven't been paying close enough attention.

Moving on . . . teams of a certain age pace themselves, particularly in this situation. LA's played almost the equivalent of *five (5) seasons in the span of four (4) calendar years* when the playoff games are included.
That also doesn't include the particupation of key Lakers' personnel in international competitions *in the offseason*.

Games like last night's were inevitable from the moment the clock hit 0:00 in Staples over 8 months ago. LA is the Bobcats' Finals Moment every game. LA has real Finals Moments. That's the difference.

As a whole, Laker fans should be worried. But there's a lot of basketball to be played and the All-Star break looms.

yellofever,

I know a lot of fans who watch Laker games up to 3 quarters, they could not stand the humiliation of watching one more quarter of soft, raw and poor Lakers. I admit these fans were spoiled by Magic, Kareem, Shaq, Kobe during the strings of Championship and domination. They know their basketball, no need to tell the x's and y's or who is underachieving.

I also don't know on the part of coaches why they manage games in this manner. Take for example Kobe, if he is sick and could hardly move why not take him out and have some rest. Secondly, if the triangle does not work with inside and outside game, players standing around wasting time on lateral passing, why not shelve it out and go to plain basketball. Plain basketball means common sense like what u play at the park, using height as the advantage. If you have players who are messing plays, bricking shots then micro manage their game and tell them where to stand, when to run and when to shoot? Tell Artest how he learned basketball at St John, would u keep on shooting if you're a bad shooter. How many more offensive possessions will u waste with your bricks. Tell Odom what he needs to do, you have been in this league for the last 8 years and you still play crap basketball, when will u learn to lead this team out of the doldrums? Ask Fisher, why do you move so slow with your guard, are u old and can't play this game at this level? To Drew, you're the tallest Laker out there in the floor, why don't u dominate the post why are you making Kwame a superstar and stop acting like bellyaching like baby who played basketball just today? Tell them what it is? Hell, if they get angry with your sharp coaching, that's the role of the Coach.

Edwin,

Congrats comment winner.
Maybe your stick idea would help.

I think the trade talk needs to start up again. Remember right before this trip all the trade talk, supposedly even Mitch said we're open for business, but then went and squelched all the trade talk.

Mitch needs to get back out in the media and we're discussing various options with different teams.

But then, after 2/24 they are going to have to find a new mantra, or stick.

Oh well, maybe they'll feel better after beating the Cavs.

I hope Lakers fans like roller coaster rides. Personally, they are fun for a couple of times, but after several rides I begin to feel nauseaus and sick. Pretty much the way this season is making me feel. Eventually, you know the ride will end, you brace yourself, and just hang in there. Hopefully, this roller coaster ride of a season will end, and we can enjoy the rest of the carnival all the way to the threepeat.

Would it still be possible to swap Artest with Wallace? No Captain Jack please- his defense is non-existant.

@Edwin
Congrats on another Friedman!

@Mamba.. Thank you brother for all that you do!!!

@Nuggetscountry... I think you're on to something... i wonder if these overspoiled overpaid athletes realize what us fans do for *THEM*.... As fans we have sacrificed valuable time away from our family our job and our personal lives to root for them and this is our return on investment... I understand its a long season but lack of EFFORT is just inexcusable.

Edwin,

Yes, Laker fans are spoiled for sure.
We want to win 82 games.
Actually, I don't mind a loss when they obviously come to play but just can't quite pull it out.
Outside shooting this year is their achilles heel. If it doesn't fix itself it's going to be a short year.

Tell them what it is? Hell, if they get angry with your sharp coaching, that's the role of the Coach. Posted by: Edwin Gueco | February 15, 2011 at 09:54 AM
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Tell them what it is? Sounds like a plan to me Edwin! Carry on!
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@YellowFver, What I do is feed off you LakerHolics and pour it right back in. So in a sense I should be thanking all of You. Thanks!
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As a whole, Laker fans should be worried. But there's a lot of basketball to be played and the All-Star break looms.

Posted by: Peace | February 15, 2011 at 09:53 AM

You can count me as a fan that's not worried. Why should I be worried? I've seen this kind of history before and it ended with a parade down Figueroa. I'm not worried, Peace, as a fan, far from it. I'm Kool and the Gang.

In 2001, Seattle beat us prett bad, 121-88. Phoenix and Sac-Town beat us down pretty bad in consecutive games, 104-83 and 108-84. We were done by most fans and pundits, there's no way they can do it, too dysfunctional. Check the Record Books, Peace.

History tells me a different story, than you do, Peace, about the Lakers. I'll take History.

A country without a memory is a country of madmen.
-George Santayana

We're not mad Nation, we're together, we strong on this one. Go Lakers!!!

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Maybe we should just pay the team during the playoffs?

Then maybe they will actually show up during the regular season in order to get their paychecks.


Cheers - PLG

Thank you all for all the props, I don't deserve the carrots on a L game. You all deserve the praises as true fan, trying to find the formula of winning. We love our team but we can't stand to watch a team without a brain and lack of heart. This is not Laker basketball, unfortunately they are wearing the uniform so we react of that disrespect.

Now I'm really worried about the finals.

If the Lakers face the Bobcats in the finals, they're in deep doo doo.

Maybe we should just pay the team during the playoffs? Then maybe they will actually show up during the regular season in order to get their paychecks. Posted by: PsychedLakerGirl | February 15, 2011 at 10:13 AM
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Preach PsychedLakerGirl, Preach!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now I'm really worried about the finals. If the Lakers face the Bobcats in the finals, they're in deep doo doo. Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | February 15, 2011 at 10:17 AM
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Stop this!! Stop this I say!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace,

you wrote: teams of a certain age pace themselves, particularly in this situation. LA's played almost the equivalent of *five (5) seasons in the span of four (4) calendar years* when the playoff games are included.
That also doesn't include the particupation of key Lakers' personnel in international competitions *in the offseason*.

my response:

1. When you argue that teams of a certain age pace themselves ... are you
talking about championship teams or are you talking about washed-up
teams? Can you give some examples besides the Lakers?

2. re: pacing themselves. So, are you saying that it's OK for the Lakers to
not give it their best? To accept losing before the game has actually
started? To look at your schedule and pencil in losses for the sake of pace?

3. Does your comment on pacing, preclude playing the game properly?
i.e. Since I'm pacing myself I don't really need to work on boxing out
or cutting to the basket or making 500 jump shots per day?

Does history repeat itself?

If you think of history in absolute terms, then "no", it does not repeat. That's ludicrous since time only passes once and the exact circumstances at that exact moment in time can never be repeated exactly. - Stan Dyer


3 straight trips to the finals is A LOT of basketball. If the Lakers can get a rhythm the last 2 to 4 weeks before the playoffs they should be ok. I am worried about how Blake is going to do in the playoffs. Fish is awesome...but he is slow. Now he is crafty so he gets the most out of his slowness...but it is a problem come playoff time. Westbrook, Parker, big problem. So Blake has to step up. Most worried about that and Barnes hopefully being healthy come playoff time.

I oddly think Ron-Ron is going to have a good playoffs. In any case 3 straight finals trips is A LOT of basketball. Effort can be corrected in the playoffs. If they can work on ball movement, inside play, better defense, get those set going into the playoffs actual record almost becomes moot. They are not catching the Spurs so right now it comes down to having home court or not in the conference semis. I think not pounding the bezzesus out of themselves is a higher priority than finishing second in the conference. And I agree.

When you argue that teams of a certain age pace themselves ... are you
talking about championship teams or are you talking about washed-up
teams? Can you give some examples besides the Lakers?
Posted by: hobbitmage |
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hobbitmage,

Sure, I can give you one.
Look how the Spurs are pacing themselves this year.

>>> When did it become "all right" to lose games?

Let me put it this way...

San Antonio won 58 games in 2000-01
Sacramento won 61 games in 2001-02
Indiana won 61 games in 2003-04
Phoenix won 62 games in 2004-05
San Antonio won 63 games in 2005-06
Dallas won 67 games in 2006-07
Cleveland won 66 games in 2008-09, and 61 games in 2009-10

All of those teams led the league in games won. They were the teams that worked hardest to have the best record in the league. And none of them won a championship that year.

The only two teams with the best record in the league to win a championship in the last 10 years were the 2008 Celtics and the 2003 Spurs.

Phil has won 4 of those 10 titles, despite his insouciance about losing a few more during the regular season.

Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps there is a method to Phil's madness? If you push push push your players every game and go all ballistic because they lose some game in December or February, you're adding to the stress level of the players, and perhaps increasing the chance of injury if you're pushing your players to work like hell every minute of every game. Boston had the best record in the East, but it's possible that the extra pressure of that is one cause the risk of the injuries they're now experiencing.

So for those of you who are obsessed that the Lakers must win every game (or even every game against poor opponents like the Bobcats), I suggest you cheer for some other team this year. That's just not Phil's MO. Phil doesn't get all panicky and start randomizing his lineups if they lose a few games here and there. But he ALWAYS has them ready for the playoffs.

I'll take rings over regular season record every season.

Just when you thought the Lakers had flip the switch with their 4-0 start, they're back to their old wait until June attitude. For goodness sake, let it be June already so that this roller coaster ride finally ends!!!

As sickening as watching an opponent celebrate and whoop on the lakes is, I still believe our team will be hard to beat 4 out of 7. And that is ALL that matters. Not regular season games against pumped up opponents. The only worry is homecourt in the west semis. If the lakes make it to the west finals(which they should) they will be close enough to a three-peat to taste it, and will win on any court. The west semis is where they could be vulnerable without home court. When they lost their bid for 4 in a row back in 04' it was in the west semis against the spurs. Any team not named boston or miami, even the spurs I dont see winning 4 before we do.

"You can count me as a fan that's not worried. Why should I be worried? I've seen this kind of history before and it ended with a parade down Figueroa. I'm not worried, Peace, as a fan, far from it. I'm Kool and the Gang.

In 2001, Seattle beat us prett bad, 121-88. Phoenix and Sac-Town beat us down pretty bad in consecutive games, 104-83 and 108-84. We were done by most fans and pundits, there's no way they can do it, too dysfunctional. Check the Record Books, Peace.

History tells me a different story, than you do, Peace, about the Lakers. I'll take History.

A country without a memory is a country of madmen.
-George Santayana

We're not mad Nation, we're together, we strong on this one. Go Lakers!!!

Posted by: sean | February 15, 2011 at 10:09 AM "

What did you think when the Lakers started off slowly in the 2002-2003 season and then lost all 4 regular season games against the Spurs? No big deal right? The Lakers had been to the finals 3 straight years and had already beat the Spurs in the playoffs before so no need for worry, right?

I think a lot of people think the Lakers will still end up winning. Even a lot of the people vocally doubting them right now. However, there ARE reasons to worry. History may show that the Lakers have won in years like this but it also shows they have lost in years like this.

But the Spurs have only made it to the Conf. Finals one in the last 3 years. BIG differance.

once* in the last 3 years.

I think a lot of people think the Lakers will still end up winning. Even a lot of the people vocally doubting them right now. However, there ARE reasons to worry. History may show that the Lakers have won in years like this but it also shows they have lost in years like this. Posted by: Bay to LA | February 15, 2011 at 10:39 AM
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Good point!!!! But history has also shown that the Lakers have appeared in half of all the Finals that have ever been held, so what does all this mean? TO HELL WITH HISTORY!!! I trust my gut and my gut tells me that The Lakers 3-Peat!!! But...I say again GOOD POINT!! Carry On!

Drat double post! You screwed up Mamba24. Sorrrrrry!

This team is built for the playoffs! Older(not old) experienced team, focused on one team at a time over the span of a couple weeks(days off are good for rest and preperation) is what the playoffs are about. This team's goal is a championship, other teams, even teams like the spurs, boston and miami are playing for seeding and home court which they think will lead to a championship. The lakes could extend the extra energy to play for record and seeding, but that is not their goal. When the weather gets even nicer come spring, and if healthy, this team will be fully engaged.

Best sports headline not used yesterday :

Lakers Show No "Heart" on Valentine's Day.

For 5 of Phil's 11 titles, his team had the best record in the NBA. He coached the team that had the best regular season record of all time. Infact, of the top 8 regular season records of all time, Phil coached 4 of those teams.

It's not like he has never allowed a regular season team to shine.

For 5 of Phil's 11 titles, his team had the best record in the NBA. He coached the team that had the best regular season record of all time. Infact, of the top 8 regular season records of all time, Phil coached 4 of those teams. It's not like he has never allowed a regular season team to shine. Posted by: Bay to LA | February 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM
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Tru Dat my brother!!! Good Post!!!

Best sports headline not used yesterday : Lakers Show No "Heart" on Valentine's Day. Posted by: Rob in L.A. | February 15, 2011 at 10:54 AM
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LMAO!!!!

>>> To look at your schedule and pencil in losses for the sake of pace?

You're being ludicrous here. The Lakers didn't say, "hey, let's just lose this Christmas game - who cares?"

I don't think the Lakers go into any game planning to lose. But if they lose a few here and there, it's better to just let it go than to get all stressed about it.

bad performance by the lakers

What did you think when the Lakers started off slowly in the 2002-2003 season and then lost all 4 regular season games against the Spurs? No big deal right? The Lakers had been to the finals 3 straight years and had already beat the Spurs in the playoffs before so no need for worry, right?

I think a lot of people think the Lakers will still end up winning. Even a lot of the people vocally doubting them right now. However, there ARE reasons to worry. History may show that the Lakers have won in years like this but it also shows they have lost in years like this.

Posted by: Bay to LA | February 15, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Those are all fine points in theory. Worry? Yeah, I guess, but it's not anything more or less tangible than the usual freak outs and consernation. Phil's right to say they're embarrassed, they should be.

Let me ask you a question Bay: Why do the guys stop playing after they don't get a call? And to be fair, Kobe pulls this stuff all the time with the refs, LO has a really bad habit of doing it. Pau, whenever he doesn't get a call, stares the refs down. That's the stuff that I'm concerned with, these bad habits roll downhill and everyone suffers. Kobe's the catalyst for this stuff. They have stop sulking. That's my only criticism. They don't get a call, they sulk, half-ass on D and go about the whole cycle again.

>>>Look how the Spurs are pacing themselves this year.

They're doing very well. Are you predicting them to win the title?

Step right up and say it boldly now if you think that most regular season wins guarantees a title.

Art,

re: teams pacing themselves. you wrote: Look how the Spurs are pacing themselves this year.

my response: I'm assuming that this is said in jest since they are on fire!

http://www.nba.com/spurs/roster/

http://www.nba.com/lakers/roster/

some quick math: The Lakers starting 5 has ~ 50+ years of experience.
The Spurs starting 5 has ~40 & 45.

Translation. They are significantly younger. Of the Lakers starting 5, 3
have been in the league for 10+ years. #4 is at Pau at 9 years. I believe
he played international before then. For the Spurs, Only Tim Duncan
has played double-digit years.

LongTimeLakerFan,

you wrote: San Antonio won 58 games in 2000-01
Sacramento won 61 games in 2001-02
Indiana won 61 games in 2003-04
Phoenix won 62 games in 2004-05
San Antonio won 63 games in 2005-06
Dallas won 67 games in 2006-07
Cleveland won 66 games in 2008-09, and 61 games in 2009-10

All of those teams led the league in games won. They were the teams that worked hardest to have the best record in the league. And none of them won a championship that year.

The only two teams with the best record in the league to win a championship in the last 10 years were the 2008 Celtics and the 2003 Spurs.

Phil has won 4 of those 10 titles, despite his insouciance about losing a few more during the regular season.

my response: May I suggest that your sample size is too small and your
logic is not rigorous enough? Allow me to clarify: Phil Jackson has had
MJ & Kobe for *ALL* of his championships. You're telling me that in a data
set skewed by having two of the greatest basketball players of all time, you've
come up with a truism?

Furthermore, may I suggest that you haven't considered the two Finals that
PJ has lost? How did those happen?

4 of those 6 teams lost to Kobe & Phil. [ backhanded acknowledgment of
Shaq in there. ]

A better argument would be to show what happened in the years before
Phil. Specifically, quotes from players & coaches who acknowledged that
they were coasting, waiting for the playoffs to start.

Finally, if you could show some sort of quote from Phil were he advocated
losing ... you'd make your point. I don't believe you can. I believe that you
can find quotes from Phil that use losses to teach. I don't believe you'll ever
find Phil advocating losing. I don't think you'll ever find Phil advocating
playing basketball the wrong way. Otherwise he wouldn't use words like
"embarrassed" would he?

Art,

>>>Look how the Spurs are pacing themselves this year.

The Spurs haven't sniffed the finals the last 3 years.

The Spurs play hard every year, and were 1 and done all 4 times they won the ring.

The Spurs haven't sniffed the finals the last 3 years.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | February 15, 2011 at 11:08 AM

In one hand (left hand) you have natural ability (instinct, intel, size, speed, etc)
and in the other hand (right hand) you have control. When there's too much natural ability and no control, you're very unscientific. Too much control, not enough natural ability, you become mechanical. Think about this.

Art is right, the Spurs are 46-9. They are the best team in the NBA and there's no debate. They are using both natural ability and control in harmony and are a more prosperous squad because of that balance.

The Lakers are 38-18. They have shown themselves to show balance, that being said, they have bad habits, that are more telling than the Spurs. They coast with natural ability, and believe themselves to conjure up control when they feel they have to, and that's fine for them, it seems to work. It should be noted it's a dangerous game when you there's no harmony and the seams come apart faster. It's up to the players. The Spurs are better, right now, no question, no debates.

Long Time Lakers Fan,

you wrote this to art: Step right up and say it boldly now if you think that most regular season wins guarantees a title.

my response: From *my* perspective, and no it doesn't count for much, is
that there is *NO* guarantee for a championship. Therefore it behooves
every team to place themselves in the optimum position. That position
would constitute the best health heading into the playoffs with the best seed.

W/o home court advantage last year, I don't believe that we would have
beaten the Celtics. I think it is crucial to have game 7 on your home court.
Your role players *tend* to perform better at home.

The complacency shown has led to the Lakers potentially *NOT* having
game 7 at home. So. Are you guaranteeing that if the Lakers are in a
game 7, D-Fish, Artest, LO, Pau Gasol &&& Bynum are going to have
great games?

Pau, AB, LO have no competitive fire; they are happy to collect their paycheck and have a full notebook of platitudes and excuses ready at a moment's notice when they predictably do not produce and lose.
Posted by: NuggetsCountry | February 15, 2011 at 09:16 AM
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We all know Kobe is the man, but this ain’t golf or tennis so he didn’t win those last two chips by himself. So my question is if Pau and LO have no competitive fire and are just happy to collect paychecks...how do you explain both of them competing internationally and being key contributors on gold medal teams?

@Mamba – Survivors indeed!

@mclyne – Same as it ever was...same as it ever was.

@fever – don’t do it...that’s scarily close to the dark side of apathy. Watch partially if you must, but don't go to the dreaded postgame decision.

@hobbit – Never! But remember the Lakers are playing the Super Bowl every night. Teams like Charlotte only play it a handful of times a year.

We all know Kobe is the man, but this ain’t golf or tennis so he didn’t win those last two chips by himself. So my question is if Pau and LO have no competitive fire and are just happy to collect paychecks...how do you explain both of them competing internationally and being key contributors on gold medal teams? Posted by: LRob | February 15, 2011 at 11:28 AM
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Awww! I guess we won't be inviting you to the Mamba Clan! Lol! Just playing with you my brother. Very good points! Carry On!!

I guess it’s about time to give up this “underachieving” Laker team. There’s no way they can three-peat based on their performance this year. There’s no passion, pride, fire, intensity, name it that will characterized a ”true champion” and this team don’t have it. After going back to back champion they lost their “hunger” to win again. With the present line-up there’s no way they can win the championship without the HA (home court advantage). Instead of entertainment majority of the fans (except for those die-hard) gets stress-out watching their games. I, for one will not watch all their remaining games anymore, not unless I hear that there was a trade done by the Lakers management. There’s no way this present line-up will beat the Spurs or even the Mavericks in the play-offs.

W/o home court advantage last year, I don't believe that we would have
beaten the Celtics. I think it is crucial to have game 7 on your home court.
Your role players *tend* to perform better at home.

Posted by: hobbitmage | February 15, 2011 at 11:19 AM

Their are exceptions;

Spurs 2005
Boston Red Sox 2004
New York Islanders 1975
Pittsburgh Steelers 2009
Green Bay Packers 2011
Indiana Pacers over New York Knicks 1995
New York Yankees 1958
Detroit Tigers 1968
Miami Heat 2006
New York Giants 2007

ninoy,

Don't give up just yet. Were you not around when people were bailing out on the Lakers last season to become Cav fans?

Hang in there dude.

There’s no way this present line-up will beat the Spurs or even the Mavericks in the play-offs. Posted by: ninoy | February 15, 2011 at 11:36 AM
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Oh woe is me, woe is me! I guess I’ll just call it right now then. Faith…CALL IT!!!!!!!

Our 3 point shooting is really, really bad.

At home, we are #15 in the league with .361. The top 5 are Golden State, Denver, San Antonio, Miami, and Boston. Notice anything about the #3-5?

Away, we are #24 with .343 - out of 30 teams. #1 on the road? Cleveland. San Antonio is #5.

Out of qualified players, Derek Fisher is our best 3 point shooter. He is #43. There are 42 other players in the league shooting a higher percentage than our best guy.

Out of qualified players, Kobe is #114. There are only 13 qualified players who shoot a lower percentage than Kobe and 113 who shoot them better than that. He also shoots more 3's than anyone else on the team. I know he is forced to shoot at the end of the shot clock, etc. Maybe Fish should be shooting at the end of the clock?

Some will say this isn't an important stat. The #1 3-point shooter in the league? Matt Bonner of the San Antonio Spurs. #3 is Ray Allen of the Boston Celtics.

Team 3 point percentage against Hornets last night - .157 (3 of 19). The Hornets shot .381 from the three point line - (8 of 21).

Solution...? Practice? Trade? Anybody?

I'm just sayin'.

sean: I'm more amused than impressed, by your little history lesson, which seemed to have missed the point and taken the rest of the post out of context.

The point was actually that there are legitimate reasons why LA is seemingly lackluster at points in the regular season, much of it having to do with the fact they've played far more basketball since 2007 than any of the teams ahead of them in the standings at present. The C's, Spurs and Mavs have all suffered early playoff exits during that span; LA's played through June each of the 3 prior seasons.

If you haven't mastered context, you shouldn't be trying to teach history.

"Those are all fine points in theory. Worry? Yeah, I guess, but it's not anything more or less tangible than the usual freak outs and consernation. Phil's right to say they're embarrassed, they should be.

Let me ask you a question Bay: Why do the guys stop playing after they don't get a call? And to be fair, Kobe pulls this stuff all the time with the refs, LO has a really bad habit of doing it. Pau, whenever he doesn't get a call, stares the refs down. That's the stuff that I'm concerned with, these bad habits roll downhill and everyone suffers. Kobe's the catalyst for this stuff. They have stop sulking. That's my only criticism. They don't get a call, they sulk, half-ass on D and go about the whole cycle again.


Posted by: sean | February 15, 2011 at 11:02 AM "

I really have no reason why they do that. It doesn't really make any sense. I doubt many teams feel like they got the better end of the calls when they play a team like the Lakers yet the Lakers will posture like every call in the game went against them.

Mamba,

You know I got much love for Kobe's game, but its like Guitar Watson said, Nobody wants to be a Lone Ranger!

Fisher always makes excuses as to why the Lakers play bad. Why is it Fisher walks the ball down the court instead of running ?? Fisher is the weak link to the Lakers and he is the one who should be traded or let go. But I guess PJ likes veterans who cannot play ?? If Fisher had any respect for himself and the lakers team he would bench himself. He is too old, too slow, cannot shoot, cannot pass, and he certainly cannot play defense.

Out of qualified players, Kobe is #114. There are only 13 qualified players who shoot a lower percentage than Kobe and 113 who shoot them better than that. He also shoots more 3's than anyone else on the team. I know he is forced to shoot at the end of the shot clock, etc. Maybe Fish should be shooting at the end of the clock? Solution...? Practice? Trade? Anybody? I'm just sayin'.Posted by: Lakerholic | February 15, 2011 at 11:48 AM
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DAMN!!! You're scaring me with those stats Lakerholic!! Stop that, Stop that ISH now!!! LOl! Very sobering post. Thank you my brother!

You know I got much love for Kobe's game, but its like Guitar Watson said, Nobody wants to be a Lone Ranger! Posted by: LRob | February 15, 2011 at 11:49 AM
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And both he and you say it very well indeed sir!! By the way if memory serves me correctly I think you were already made an honorary member of the Mamba Clan! Carry On!

@Peace-

“Truth is one forever absolute, but opinion is truth filtered through the moods, the blood, the disposition of the spectator.”
-Wendell Phillips

@Peace- “Truth is one forever absolute, but opinion is truth filtered through the moods, the blood, the disposition of the spectator.”
-Wendell Phillips Posted by: sean | February 15, 2011 at 12:12 PM
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God@@##!!#$%%% Absolutely Beautiful!!!! Carry on!

mamba24 - sorry, 3-point shooting has been worrying me... sometimes you have to face reality... it is better to know.... the truth shall set you free... ;-)

mamba24 - sorry, 3-point shooting has been worrying me... sometimes you have to face reality... it is better to know.... the truth shall set you free... ;-) Posted by: Lakerholic | February 15, 2011 at 12:16 PM
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No, No, No I don't want to be FREE!!!! Truth Bad, Bad Truth!!! LOL!

as a former high school softball coach, who had the pleasure of coaching his daughter. the girls used to ask me if it was ok to lose. my answer was simple. if you PLAYED YOUR ABSOLUTE BEST AND IT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN, then that is ok with me. LAST NIGHT WAS NOT OK WITH ME and i know, it was not ok for you Laker manaiacs! we know the Lakers can't win every game, BUT at least make the EFFORT....is that too much to ask?????????????

I think the problem with the Lakers is:
Since this is Phil's last year they don't have to listen to him.
Since Kurt Rambis left the defensive schemes has not been effective
Shannon Brown and Steve Blake are not good consistent shooters.
The Lakers for all their basketball acumen are pretty stupid on the court not working the ball inside.
They really lack chemistry and hunger.
They won't get out of the first round.

"So my question is if Pau and LO have no competitive fire and are just happy to collect paychecks...how do you explain both of them competing internationally and being key contributors on gold medal teams?


Posted by: LRob | February 15, 2011 at 11:28 AM
"

Coaching and many determined peers on those teams, who would not put up with poor National representation showings. (And remember, international basketball is made for finesse type players...these days.) They were not paid for Olympics and World Championships like they are paid to show up EVERY day/night for their outrageous hourly salary! Defering to Kobe (and therefore not being proactive on offense), and not TAKING rebounds, and NOT blocking out, and NOT getting pushed around by bigs who are actually smaller is inexusable.

Kobe's strengths are his determination and will. These are not athleticism traits you are born with like Shannon's 48" vertical, but ones everyone in the world can bring.

extra strengths...........I meant. Obviously very athletically talented and great "basketball IQ", also.

This season and the team's effort has officially hit an all time low. Enough with this "we're still figuring each other out" or "they'll turn it up in the playoffs". Play PROFESSIONAL basketball as you're paid millions to do. Fans need to let the Lakers know these efforts (or lack thereof) cannot be tolerated. If I put up such as effort at work I would be out of a job instantly. These millionaires get what, 4-5 months to "figure it out" and "coast"? Ridiculous!!!

 
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