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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 104-99 loss to Cleveland Cavaliers

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Game stories

--The Times' Broderick Turner highlights the Lakers' frustration following their 104-99 loss Wednesday to the Cleveland Cavaliers.

--The Plain Dealer's Mary Schmitt Boyer details how the Cavaliers managed a Lakers upset.

--The Daily News' Elliott Teaford has the perfect headline in his game story: "Lakers turn out to be the punchline in Cleveland."

--The Orange County Register's Mark Whicker argues the Lakers hit rock bottom with their loss to Cleveland.

Sidebars

--The Times' Mike Bresnahan reports among other things that Lakers forward Ron Artest "irritated the upper reaches of the Lakers" by jokingly spraying a TV reporter with Lamar Odom "Unbreakable" cologne. Bresnahan also has some interesting nuggets on the 1964 NBA All-Star game where players threatened not to play.

--The Times' Chris Foster provides details on NBA Jam Session. Here is a map detailing the layout of Jam Session.

--The Times' graphics department provides a statistical breakdown comparing Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan.

--CBS Sports' Ken Berger reports Cleveland wants to see what kind of assets they can sign using their $14.6-million trade exception from LeBron James' departure and also plans to use cap space for draft picks and young talent.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Arash Markazi highlights Jerry Buss' optimism about the team.

--The Orange County Register's Dan Woike provides a tour of Jam Session. 

Notebooks

--NBA.com's Brian Dulik presents a few nuggets from the Lakers-Cavs game.

--The Daily News' Teaford features the Lakers' sympathy for Cleveland's struggles. That was shared during the game, so those feelings likely changed.

--The Orange County Register's Whicker highlights Andrew Bynum's belief that the Lakers need to hone in on fundamentals and reports that backup center Theo Ratliff experienced setbacks during his rehab.

Columns

--ESPN.com's J.A. Adande predicts tougher times ahead for the Lakers.

--The Daily News' Tom Hoffarth suggests a few things you can do at Jam Session.

--Fox Sports Ohio's Sam Amico thinks the Lakers have hit rock bottom.

--Fox Sports Ohio's Zac Johnson argues the Cavs gained respect by beating the Lakers.

--The Plain Dealer's Bill Livingston joked that Ramon Sessions was a miniaturized version of LeBron James.

Blogs

--ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky breaks down the Lakers' loss.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky wonders where the Lakers go from here.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell presents a running diary of the Lakers-Cavs game.

--Silver Screen and Roll's Dexter Fishmore argues the Lakers' loss to Cleveland ruined their All-Star weekend.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius Soriano isn't worried about the long-term implications the Lakers' loss to Cleveland will have. But he's no doubt angry and upset.

---Lakers Nation's Fern Rea argues a hard cap would yield negative consequences for the Lakers.

--Will KCAL-9's sideline reporter John Ireland really walk from Cleveland to L.A?

Tweet of the Day: "CHECK OUT THE MIXTAPE PROMO THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT SORRY FOR THE LOST http://noyseworks.com/download/ron_artest_promo.mp4 FIRE FIYAHH!!!" -- RONARTESTCOM (Lakers forward Ron Artest exhibited extremely poor timing by tweeting this a half hour after the Lakers' loss to Cleveland).

Reader Comment of the Day: "That was the one game that I knew would cause the heads to roll. Now we'll find out if my belief pans out. Not that the team needs to panic, but the message is heard loud and clear: shape up like right now or some other team gets to enjoy the parade festivities. If management is cool with that and trust that the last 4 months mean nothing, then they'll do nothing. If management believes the season is just practice and the team has been practicing how to lose, then they'll attempt to remedy the situation." -- Tim-4-Show

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Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant takes a seat on the bench next to guard Steve Blake after Bryant drew his second personal foul and was hit with a technical in the first quarter Wednesday night. Credit: Jason Miller / US Presswire

 
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MM

Do you really feel like you need to put up '50' threads everyday? Seriously, the last thread you had could have been made a part of this one. You could have dedicated a paragraph to Ron kinda like you did with Sidebars, Notebooks, Columns ( nice idea btw).

Thanks
PSP Solutions Architect

RCOTD = TIM-4-SHOW = OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!! KUDOS!!!!

Chick would not be happy.


DBDH!

Ron Artest, I think it's time you go back and see your psychologist. You're trippin right now.

GIT Lakers!
Go Aztecs!

Ron Artest needs to stop doing these promotions for mental health and get his head back in the game. [No pun intended.] I'm not trying to be a humanitarian spoiler but such promotions, including his music album, indicate a lack of desire to win. Ron will have plenty of time to pursue these endevours during the offseason and the way the Lakers are playing right now, he will have plenty of time allotted due to an early exit in the playoffs.

The comment Sean made about "they" riding Fisher to the bitter end had me thinking...

You know, if Fisher understood his limitations and had "big picture" type thoughts about this team, we would have known about it LAST season.

Truth is, like a punch drunk boxer - he will just keep going into the ring getting beat up night in and night out and not utter a word about it.

So there you have it.

That's the situation, now the Lakers need to find a way to solve their problems or go out like a joke. Do you remember the cries of the players sitting there in San Antonio watching the dynasty die before our eyes? History appears ready to repeat itself.

Oh, and thanks for the props.

They're so faithful that they seem to insist on losing a championship because of Fisher before they even think of lessening his role.

Posted by: Bay to LA | February 17, 2011 at 10:17 AM
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Exactly, Fisher is in there for so long he's bound to hit some. Those rare/few some he hits, the Fisher faithful call clutch shots.
Oof, if you fish out in the lake long enough, you're bound to catch a fish here n there.

Last night on the chat, after Fisher hit his second bucket, MM posted- Fisher is hot tonight.
Although I think MM is more of a follower than a faithful.

Tim-4-Show - Congrats on your RCOTD. And thanks for sharing your recommendations from last year on the previous thread.

Lakers actually turned down Melo for Bynum?
They`ll spend the next decade regretting that one!

Jerry Buss is making the exact same mistake Steinbrenner made, by putting his dumb kid in charge.

Get ready for a massive title drought!

IF Theo can't play then the Lakers definitely need to sign a 4th big man that Phil will play. They need someone to play 6-8 minutes a game. And Joe Smith ain't the answer. He wasn't brought here to play. That was purely a salary dump.

I was not a fan of this signing and caught a lot of grief here when I was critical. I still hope I'm wrong but...ovey!

--The Times' Mike Bresnahan reports among other things that Lakers forward Ron Artest "irritated the upper reaches of the Lakers" by jokingly spraying a TV reporter with Lamar Odom "Unbreakable" cologne. Bresnahan also has some interesting nuggets on the 1964 NBA All-Star game where players threatened not to play.
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WOW!
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Tweet of the Day: "{{{{CHECK OUT MY NEW COLOGNE [UNTRADEABLE]}}}}} THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT SORRY FOR THE LOST http://noyseworks.com/download/ron_artest_promo.mp4 FIRE FIYAHH!!!" -- RONARTESTCOM (Lakers forward Ron Artest exhibited extremely poor timing by tweeting this a half hour after the Lakers' loss to Cleveland).
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Untradeable, right?

Sort of rewrote Rons tweet there a lil bit.

Mclyne - Rock Bottom indeed. I’ll keep the B52’s flavor going with one of my favorite by them…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymmqisvThhk

Maybe before the Lakers talk....they should read a book!

Well, I don't think the sky is falling yet but it's getting pretty close with consecutive losses to the Bobcats and the lowly Cavaliers. I am in the minority of the fans here that this team is desperately needed a new blood in order to rescue this up and down season. Granted, all the starters could have a bad game or two or inflicted some injuries that is why we have 7-9 other nono-starters on the team that could step up and contribute. We thought our bench was bad last year with Farmar, Vujacic and DJ on the roster. Boys, am I wrong on that. Why do we have so many players on the team this year that cannot play the pro level basketball; Luke & Blake. Why did we sign or trade for players that ride the bench most of the times and didn't get a chance to play significant minutes or prove their worth on the team; Ebanks, Caracter, Joe Smith and Theo? Right now, I'm settle for trading for some players from the development league that are willing to bang their bodies in exchange for a far paycheck or can at least shoot or pass at the college level.

I'm not writing off this season as yet but I with the current trend we had, I think I spot the fat lady humming her tune. Just try to be realistic that's all. Based on the performance last night, I think the Cavaliers have a more superior bench that the Lakers. They played hard last night while our players were looking at each other for excuse when the Cavaliers scored against them.

Paging the "Black Mamba", where art thou? Old Kobe would not let the team like the Cavaliers beat them silly like they did last night. Perhaps the real "Kobe" was kidnapped by aliens 'cause the guy who wore "24" last night is not the same player who is revered by the fans and consider by many, including me,to be GOAT!!

In Kobe, I Trust!

Mclyne/LRob

Gotta love the B-52's. Here's another classic from 1990.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJzuqZEbFHQ

"In Kobe, I Trust!"

I agree. We have yet to see the scowl.. cant wait for the playoffs to start.

Are you serious? Ron tweeting that ISH after the loss is starting to show he was all about the hype to push his music career and less about getting another ring. Very disappointed in him. He needs to get his act together and START playing some D!!!!! I've always have given him props for trying to be a better person, but now it's like,well we won last year, if we don't this year it's not on his shoulders!!! Hopefully They ALL will be FOCUSED after the break. That loss last nite was embarrasing and hopefully it was for the team too.

First and foremost a trade needs to go down by the deadline or the Lakers are finished. I would trade Ron Artest to anyone who would take him. A. Bynum is terrible he has 6pts and 6 rebounds in over 20mins of action and he is 7 ft tall... I would make a trade for him if that is all that he can produce. If the Nugguts want a straight trade for Bynum then get it done.

The bench problem is Phil. He refuses to give any run to the bench players like Joe, Theo, DC, DE. Trading anybody for just another bench sitter is unwise and Mitch knows it - plus, unless Jerry orders his son to give up on AB he can't move him either. Unless the FO tells PJ to play these guys or else, he will not. He will drive the DF, RA, LW, SB, SBs into the ground on his exit out of LA.

AND - Remember, PJ worships Michael Jordan even more than anybody/anything(including Jeanie Buss) Lakers and will never do anything that will lessen Jordan's legacy..............think about it.......then maybe some things that are puzzling about his coaching may become clearer. IMO, it is time to fire PJ and get some interim coach in that takes no prisoners, and actually makes players accountable for their lack of actions (ie. benching them), whether that helps this season's run or not!

Some fans pass off the Lakers season long mediocre
play with the assertion that they are waiting for the playoffs. I doubt this and think it reflects wishful
Thinking or things hoped for. Even if true, the team
should be condemned. Not all of us but some people
Pay hard earned money to see the Lakers play. They
Owe it to theses paying fans to play their very best
every game. Their high salaries demand no less.

Perhaps in truth the Lakers are overrated. Game after game the likes of Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, and Christ Bosh score in excess of 20-25 points. Can the
Same be said of any two Lakers?

sean,

Thanks for clarifying your Magic comments. I do agree that this team is more inconsistent than the 89 team. But that was certainly a rough stretch for Magic's crew. They lost the last four games of that 8 game road losing streak by an average of 12pts.

Once this team realize they have to work harder and get a little healthier they'll be fine for the stretch run!

No comment.

That loss last nite was embarrasing and hopefully it was for the team too.

Posted by: NewMexicoLL | February 17, 2011 at 11:28 AM

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They're definitely embarrassed and frustrated, otherwise Kobe wouldn't blow off the media for the second straight game.

I used to TIVO and scout other teams to see their weaknesses and figure out where the Lakers could take advantage. Now my TIVO has no interest in anybody elses game. Don't care where we are in relation to them. Makes no difference. Lakers will end up in bottom half of playoff picture in WC and be done in round 1 or 2 at this rate/level of effort, so who really cares how anybody else in the league is doing.

CHANGE MUST COME! ATTITUDE FOR CERTAIN! Trade(s) - maybe. Play the damn bench some - absolutely - if nothing else for trade value at end of season. Coaching change - could be seen as a panic move, but so what !?!? PJ will not be 3peating, and worse, Kobe will not be getting his 6th ring either, without drastic changes over ASG weekend.

The only saving grace from last night was that my 1-10 TOREROS upset the #23 St. Mary's Gaels!!!

As for the Lakers, my bad mood is ended and I am glad they all get to enjoy the ASG from the comforts of their home court and home cooking. Hopefully the majority of them will take the time to think about their roles and the next 2.5 months getting their act together as a team.

Cheers - PLG

Paging the "Black Mamba", where art thou? Old Kobe would not let the team like the Cavaliers beat them silly like they did last night. Perhaps the real "Kobe" was kidnapped by aliens 'cause the guy who wore "24" last night is not the same player who is revered by the fans and consider by many, including me,to be GOAT!!
In Kobe, I Trust!
Posted by: Wallace | February 17, 2011 at 11:17 AM
In Kobe, I Trust!"
I agree. We have yet to see the scowl.. cant wait for the playoffs to start.
Posted by: ChicNstu | February 17, 2011 at 11:28 AM
In Kobe, I Trust!"
I agree!!

I lost $2800 on those bums last night they should think about losing to the worst team in the league. Never should the Lakers lose and get completely balled up by the post Lebron C-A-V-A-L-I-E-R-S.

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IN KOBE I TRUST - BANDWAGON
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01 WALLACE – OWNER - Paging the "Black Mamba", where art thou? Old Kobe would not let the team like the Cavaliers beat them silly like they did last night. Perhaps the real "Kobe" was kidnapped by aliens 'cause the guy who wore "24" last night is not the same player who is revered by the fans and consider by many, including me,to be GOAT!! In Kobe, I Trust!
(02) CHICNSTU – DRIVER - In Kobe, I Trust!" I agree. We have yet to see the scowl.. cant wait for the playoffs to start.
(03) MAMBA24 – RIDING SHOTGUN - In Kobe, I Trust!" I AGREE
(04) FAN OF THE MAMBA – RIDING SHOTGUN2 - In Kobe, I Trust!" I AGREE
(05) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – RIDING SHOTGUN3 - In Kobe, I Trust!" I AGREE

another song that sums up my feelings about last night's game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYdlqjiQPAc

I'm wondering if this team just doesn't care where they stand come playoff time...

oh yeah, that game was just a bit of a "downer":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDUG9-3hSgY

I hate to say it, but this team's going down like a flaming Aero Zeppelin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdWG2JfZYzE&feature=related

Some interesting takes and stats for Bill Simmons:

38. Andrew Bynum
A list of the most memorable centers and power forwards of the past 35 years organized by their first six regular seasons for "games played," "games missed" and "number of seasons in which they played 90 percent of the games."

Dwight Howard: 489 --- 3 --- 6
Karl Malone: 489 --- 3 --- 6
Tim Duncan: 451 --- 9 --- 5
David Robinson: 475 --- 17 --- 5
Kevin McHale: 475 --- 17 --- 5
Charles Barkley: 472 --- 20 --- 6
Dikembe Mutombo: 471 --21 -- 5
Robert Parish: 469 --- 23 --- 5
Hakeem Olajuwon: 468 --- 24 --- 5
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 467 --- 25 --- 5
Dirk Nowitzki: 444 --- 48 --- 5
Kevin Garnett: 442 --- 50 --- 5
Patrick Ewing: 438 --- 54 --- 4
Moses Malone: 428 --- 66 --- 4
Alonzo Mourning: 409 --- 83 --- 2
Shaquille O'Neal: 408 --- 84 --- 2
Yao Ming: 404 -- 88 --- 3
Ralph Sampson: 395 --- 97 --- 3
Chris Webber: 329 --- 131 --- 1
Andrew Bynum: 309 --- 169 --- 1
Bill Walton: 223 --- 269 --- 0
Sam Bowie: 207 --- 285 --- 1
Greg Oden: 82 --- 266 --- 0

What jumps out? First, the durable guys remained durable throughout their careers, with just one exception: McHale, who ruined the second half of his career by bravely (and some would say foolishly) playing on a broken foot in the 1987 playoffs. Second, anyone who missed more than 80 games and couldn't play in 90 percent of the games in at least four of their first six seasons went on to have injury-plagued careers. (That includes Shaq, who played more than 68 games in a season just six times and missed an average of 18 games per season.) And third, if you can't stay on the court at your youngest/healthiest/freshest/most energetic, it's a pretty safe bet that things won't change as you get older. It's straight DNA: Some dudes are structurally built for 82-game NBA seasons, others aren't. So if you make the argument "If Bynum can stay healthy, he's a franchise center," just make sure you also mention that we have 35 years of evidence that there's a tipping point when "If he can stay healthy …" becomes "… he's not going to stay healthy." We're there with Andrew Bynum. He's not going to stay healthy. If I were the Lakers, I would trade him right now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/110217

Mamba24,

Don't forget me on the "Kobe" list! As far as Kobe, the last two games has been sick, but he won't let you know that. If he can walk, he plays! Coach has to sit him down and rest him.

Laker Fans-

Even with the recent struggles, Pau Gasol is still giving you reasons to laugh. Check out the hilarions interview he did on Fox Sports show "Cubed".

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IN KOBE I TRUST - BANDWAGON
*_______________________________________________________________________*
01 WALLACE – OWNER - Paging the "Black Mamba", where art thou? Old Kobe would not let the team like the Cavaliers beat them silly like they did last night. Perhaps the real "Kobe" was kidnapped by aliens 'cause the guy who wore "24" last night is not the same player who is revered by the fans and consider by many, including me,to be GOAT!! In Kobe, I Trust!
(02) CHICNSTU – DRIVER - In Kobe, I Trust!" I agree. We have yet to see the scowl.. cant wait for the playoffs to start.
(03) MAMBA24 – RIDING SHOTGUN - In Kobe, I Trust!" I AGREE
(04) FAN OF THE MAMBA – RIDING SHOTGUN2 - In Kobe, I Trust!" I AGREE
(05) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – RIDING SHOTGUN3 - In Kobe, I Trust!" I AGREE
(06) D(EREK) J(ETER) - SGT. AT ARMS - As far as Kobe, the last two games has been sick, but he won't let you know that. If he can walk, he plays! Coach has to sit him down and rest him.

“Doubt is the beginning not the end of wisdom."

I hope, really hope the guys are doubting themselves, a little bit, they should.
It's no longer adversity, they've been through that, inconsistency, been steamlined for two years, now.

Doubt, doubt is the great equalizer, in this equation. Just a little bit, will register with them and they'll have to face the situation head on. If they don't want to accept that, they're doomed to an early grave.

Doubt can only be removed by action.”
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Fight or flight? Do the 2010-2011 Lakers fight for what they want. Do they respond to crisis, with an opportunity to beat sense into their opponents (09', 10')

Or will this squad fold like a cheap suit, due to their arrogance blinding them. What you want to see sometimes makes you blind. Do they fly away or do they have the guts to push through? Van Goethe was right, all doubt, misgivings, mistakes are forgiven through straight, proper action.

"The bad news is, that won't be enough this year to beat the elite teams. The competition has improved, and the scouting report is out on the Lakers. Pack in the paint and dare Artest and Fish to shoot or make plays. Against elite teams, if this team continues to struggle to hit WIDE OPEN outside shots, they have very little chance to threepeat, even with the big three of Kobe, Pau, and Lamar playing well.

And don't get me started on the matador defense, which is an even bigger concern.

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | February 17, 2011 at 11:52 AM

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Sterling analysis & fully agree. The opponents now know that they can pack in the paint and sit in the laps of AB and PG and even KB to deflect entry passes (thus many tiurnovers in the paint), while the Lakers play into that hand that says "AB/PG/LO need more inside touches", thus playing into the opponent's defensive scheme. As good as Kobe is, he has no driving lanes to the basket as there are 5 opponents in the lane every play (side result: low offensive rebound opportunities for Lakers), resulting in massive Kobe turnover rates. The only way to get around that is to hit mid range to 3pt shots with some regularity. Most of the time Lakers can get a wide open shot outside, unless it is Kobe who they are 'spying' 100% of the time. Those types of wide open shots are made by 90% of the players on other teams (even Rondo) and were by even our team at the early start of this season, but for some reason those shots are gone now. Shooting practice should maybe be the focus of the ASG break for EVERY LAKER.

Ditto the frustration with the 'usher-everyone-to-the-layup-line-Laker-basket' defensive scheme is maddening, and it is intentional, which makes me crazy!

ALL RIGHT LAKERS NATION, ENOUGH OF THIS ISH!!!!
ENOUGH I SAY!!!! GET UP ON YOUR FEET AND SING...
HIT IT: http://tinyurl.com/ylp3qqc _ I Love LA

Kobe not speaking to the media, twice in consecutive days, says something right there about him.

At least in defeat, Michael showed athletic graciousness, what I mean is, he knew himself and team wasn't good enough, they weren't ready yet. He admitted it and moved on, and shut everyone up.

Kobe's a whiner, as much as I love the Mamba, he whines, complains and is one of the worst sore losers I've ever seen.

Face the music, stand up and take it like a man. Don't sit back, admit you're struggling, the team's struggling and it needs fixing. Don't punk out, Kobe, you have a responsibility, you said it, now be responsible and face the music. Are you afraid of saying something to the media you wouldn't say to the other guys? You need it to get it together and have some respect for people just trying to do their jobs. You have none. Why am I not surprised, in this instance. It's still immaturity that rears it's ugly head.

"Mamba24,

Don't forget me on the "Kobe" list! As far as Kobe, the last two games has been sick, but he won't let you know that. If he can walk, he plays! Coach has to sit him down and rest him.

Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | February 17, 2011 at 11:58 AM "

If he won't let us know he was sick, then how do we know?

MM- Where is the thread on what Phil Jackson needs to do to right the ship?

CHANGE MUST COME! ATTITUDE FOR CERTAIN! Trade(s) - maybe. Play the damn bench some - absolutely - if nothing else for trade value at end of season. Coaching change - could be seen as a panic move, but so what !?!? PJ will not be 3peating, and worse, Kobe will not be getting his 6th ring either, without drastic changes over ASG weekend.

Posted by: NuggetsCountry | February 17, 2011 at 11:39 AM
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You just said something that bears repeating. Play the bench for value at end of season, if not a lot a little. Listen if these games were so meaningless and it's the middle of freaking February, 2 months before we form a feasible-playoff picture and we regroup and strategize, and Phil Jackson says is it April yet? then at least play the guys, I understand we laid pterodactyl-sized eggs and we already excused the losses on fatigue and what have you, why aren't we playing the rookies in garbage time. Specially against the Bobcats when we knew we weren't gonna show up.

Here's a little something, something for all you Kobe Haters.
http://tinyurl.com/24gl97s - HATE ME!!!!!!

it's not when things are going well, but when things are not going well that matters. with all the smack about how bad the lakers are, i have to ask how did they win by 55 points last time they played the cavs and what is different. as for kobe, i am seeing a LOT of players going for that ball when he has is. what i am noticing is that he typically does not keep the ball, so i have to ask myself, is this what the various scouts are telling their players to do,that it is known that his fingers are strong enough?

rather, NOT strong enough

sean,

The team is struggling badly in the midst of a historic threepeat run, and you're concern is whether Kobe talks to the media? Really?

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | February 17, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Hey, man, you don't have to like what I say, or even respect what I say. That doesn't make me wrong? What did I say that was out of character of Kobe?
He is a sore loser. That there's no question, he shows no graciousness whatsoever. It's not a big deal and I'm trying to make it one, it something I notice.

The general who advances without coveting fame and retreats without fearing disgrace, whose only thought is to protect his country and do good service for his sovereign, is the jewel of the kingdom.

-The Art of War by Sun Tzu

I think not speaking to the media, for 2 days straight, says he is retreating with disgrace. That's not how you roll to be a leader LAKER TRUTH, and you know it. I'm keeping it real. I'm a lifer Laker fan, I just don't wear rose colored glasses and I don't pretend as a fan to live in a glass house. I'm not built that way as a person either.

Not pulling off the Bynum for Melo trade will go down as the biggest management blunder in Laker history, bar none.

@NuggetCountry&Laker Truth.....Great points both...

Btw the stats about the centers are interesting,but don't post things like that(just like everyone who says drew can't play trade him)the nuggets might see those posts..lol Maybe those guys who are saying how great Bynum is are really trying to get the nugs to bite..lol.. Btw with a name like nuggetscountry maybe that's why you posted those stats after all..jus sayin..lol...

Team reported this "flu-like affects," right before the Bob's game, he won't ever complain. Can anyone really imagine playing with all the fingers issues he's had? That in itself is amazing!

Just read this quote off an BSPN board. I liked it enough to post it.


Lol. Lakers this, Lakers that, same thing every year. It's all star break for crying out loud, and the Lakers are what, within the top 5 teams in the NBA? It's kind of shocking to see some Laker fans panic the way they do. There's always a story line to the Lakers season...it's just the way it is. Sure, they loss to the worst team in the NBA, but to blow things out of proportion by magnifying this loss to the Cavs when it's not even playoffs yet is just plainly ridiculous. It's an 82 game season folks. The Lakers have gone to 3 consecutive final appearances. They loss a majority of the last 10 games of the regular season last year before heading into the playoffs, and might I add making it to the finals. Don't worry when it's not time to worry. I'd worry if Lakers were down 3-1 in the playoffs, but I just remembered it's all star break. So please, get a grip. It is what it is, and the Lakers are still playing ball for another 40 games.

LET'S GO LAKERS!!!!


Some snips from Silver Screen and Roll:

"There are a lot of big words being thrown out there to describe this loss, or at least, a lot of loud words. Embarrassment; Shame; Rock Bottom; Worst loss in the history of the franchise. Allow me to throw another one on the pile ... Perversion. Over the course of this season, the Lakers have perverted the game of basketball. They have created within it a state of moral corruption. They have passed judgment on the regular season, and deemed it lacking in both meaning and substance. This team isn't "playing poorly" or "working out issues" or "struggling with complacency". What they are doing is nothing short of threatening the integrity of the game."


A lot of you might be wondering what a result like this means to the Lakers' chances in the playoffs. Many of you are afraid that this game is an indication that the Lakers just don't have it this year. Whether because they are too old, or too unmotivated or too stupid, maybe this team really doesn't have what it takes to go the distance. Some of you remain confident; this team has won two straight championships for a reason, they remain supremely talented and supremely large, and that combination will be difficult to defeat come April, May, and maybe June. Me, I'm afraid of the same thing. I'm afraid that this game, this performance, this string of performances, will have no bearing on what will happen in the postseason.

At this point, I fear that the Lakers will end up with another championship trophy at the end of the season. I fear it, because as much as I'm supposed to root for them, as much as I'm supposed to be a fan of their exploits, I worry about the repercussions of such a victory. What kind of message will be sent about basketball if the Lakers put all this nonsense behind them to make another deep postseason run? Basketball is a sport, and the essence of sport is competition. If the Lakers can treat the regular season with this much disdain and still end up the victors at the end, it will serve notice that basketball's regular season is nothing more than an 82 game extension of the pre-season. It will be a proclamation that all of these games are not competitions, that they are simply exhibitions. If the Lakers can play like this, on a semi-regular basis, and still be "the best" this league has to offer, how does that make a regular season game any different, or any more important, than a professional wrestling match? Sure, the results remain unscripted, but the results are no more important. The Lakers aren't shaving points, or throwing games, but in a way, what they are doing is no less threatening to the game.

A competition requires that both (or all) parties in the competition must compete. The Lakers are violating that most basic tenet on a fairly regular basis. And if they go on this season to remain the champions of this league, it will confirm that the regular season has little competition to it. Such a revelation would do significant damage to the game itself. You shouldn't be able to win a marathon by running the last couple miles better than everybody else because you walked the first 20. It goes against the spirit of competition, and against the purpose of professional sports.

I am a fan of the Los Angeles Lakers. My desire is for them to win every game, to bring home every championship. But this season, I can't help but think the NBA as a whole might be better off if my team doesn't win in the end this time around."

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2011/2/17/1998738/the-depravity-of-the-los-angeles-lakers-knows-no-bounds#storyjump

Posted by: Art | February 17, 2011 at 10:24 AM

A thoughtful post, but you don't have to worry about it Art.
Your team is going nowhere near the Championship this year.
(Don't worry...Celts ain't gonna be there either)

Your boys are too old, too tired, too banged up, and too arrogant.
The Lakers are in serious trouble anytime any team
gets after them a full 48-minutes.
Cleveland knows it, the Kings know it, the Bobcats know it,
every team in the league knows it now, and so do the Lakers.

So, no need to fret about it Art.

The Lakers won't disgrace the NBA again...not this year anyway...
not, at least, until they've stolen a new team the league wishes to nurture.
(Gotta admit...mentioning the Lakers,
and something about 'the spirit of competition'
in the same breath made me ROTFLMAO!)

Of course, when the Lakers don't win,
Laker fans will always say the boys didn't give it their all,
or this or that, the list of excuses is ten miles long...you know.
(You can start with Cyber's 9:47 post above to get a real sense
of the abundant and creative excuses coming your way).
Most Laker fans will say anything, except what is actually so.

A real irony is that only recently have I started watching the games
(the last three Laker games, to be exact)
in a local pub owned by a friend of mine from Wales.
Watching the games there, I am able to share the American
experience with friends and acquaintances from around the planet,
most of whom know the Lakers are the current NBA Champions,
and that 'great players' named Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol are on the team...

After watching three games,
my friends could only scratch their heads.
I explained to them that the Lakers, really, are better than that.
I mean, with a 95 million U.S. dollar payroll,
and all the favoritism the NBA and media can muster,
they'd better be!

But, my friends here aren't Laker fans,
so they made no excuses.

They saw what they saw.

The Lakers getting spanked, over and over and over again.

"Rubbish team!"

Their words, not mine.

Go Kings!
Go SF Giants!
Go Forty Niners!

Sonnybelfast

Perversion. Over the course of this season, the Lakers have perverted the game of basketball. They have created within it a state of moral corruption. They have passed judgment on the regular season, and deemed it lacking in both meaning and substance. This team isn't "playing poorly" or "working out issues" or "struggling with complacency". What they are doing is nothing short of threatening the integrity of the game."

***

Really? That's just stupid. Sorry dude, but I couldn't disagree with you more. Moral corruption it's not.


Of course, when the Lakers don't win,
Laker fans will always say the boys didn't give it their all,
or this or that, the list of excuses is ten miles long...you know.
(You can start with Cyber's 9:47 post above to get a real sense
of the abundant and creative excuses coming your way).
Most Laker fans will say anything, except what is actually so.

Go Kings!
Go SF Giants!
Go Forty Niners!

Posted by: Sonnybelfast | February 17, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Cyber learned from the best, Kobemvp888.

we've never been here before with this team.is this just the emperor's new clothes?. there is something very wrong with this picture. we have seen them look quite good for short periods of time and i still go back to the celtics game. that DID happen right?so what is this imvasion of the body snatchers? so the mental/emotional warrantee on ron-ron done. more questions then answers

@LongTimeLakerLover, Kudos my Sister!!! Leave it to "The Real Laker Girls" to put it all in it's proper perspective. Keep that SWAGGER Ma'am, you are my Idol!!!!!!!! Carry On!!!

Lol. Lakers this, Lakers that, same thing every year. It's all star break for crying out loud, and the Lakers are what, within the top 5 teams in the NBA? It's kind of shocking to see some Laker fans panic the way they do. There's always a story line to the Lakers season...it's just the way it is. Sure, they loss to the worst team in the NBA, but to blow things out of proportion by magnifying this loss to the Cavs when it's not even playoffs yet is just plainly ridiculous. It's an 82 game season folks. The Lakers have gone to 3 consecutive final appearances. They loss a majority of the last 10 games of the regular season last year before heading into the playoffs, and might I add making it to the finals. Don't worry when it's not time to worry. I'd worry if Lakers were down 3-1 in the playoffs, but I just remembered it's all star break. So please, get a grip. It is what it is, and the Lakers are still playing ball for another 40 games.

LET'S GO LAKERS!!!!


Posted by: longtimelakerlover | February 17, 2011 at 12:36PM


@longtimelakerlover

“The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.”

-Albert Einstein


Rationalizations are great, they can get you through some bad nights, bad days at work, etc. What you're essentially doing is dehumanizing the Lakers problems. As if it's nothing to be concerned with. And that's fine, for you, helps you with your perspective, great. Doesn't change the fact it's clearly a dfense mechanism that you're using to illustrate the problems.

'Martin Luther King, Jr...."It seems to be a fact of life that human beings cannot continue to do wrong without eventually reaching out for some rationalization to clothe their act"

As exciting as it is to see kobe put in a shot,he is not a team player. He would rather take most of the shots and lose than pass it to his teammates and win. Eventhough he is still very young, he has played many years. Maybe he is just bored. Fisher will put the ball in if someone passes it to him. He scored against the Cav's. Kobe wants to be point guard, scoring guard and small forward while on the floor. I'd put him in timeout until he decides which position he wants to play.

here is my real concern for the lakers. if, as some are saying don't panic, that it only half a season, and to view what has already happened, i'm ok with that,these people are saying it's the PROCESS that matters, BUT there needs to be evidence that things will get better . the problem i feel is how this team begins and ends,and that is KOBE. kobe has not shown much character lately. if he is to be a leader, he needs to show that he is humble and demonstrate this instead of acting childishly.a good general knows when to retreat and this should be the time to take advantage of this . if he is not going to practice because of his body now , how does this get better in the second half of the season, to say nothing about the playoffs.

How can it be moral in nature? What moral laws or codes are they breaking? That's the problem I have with your wording.

In terms of being rational, I see the problems going on, believe me. They just don't fall under a moral code of conduct.

GO LAKERS!!!! I love you no matter what.

DID ANYONE READ HOW MANY POINTS THE CAVS HAD IN THE PAINT LAST NIGHT?

50 FREAKIN POINTS IN THE PAINT!

SO MUCH FOR UNCLE TOM'S THEORY OF BYNUM CONTROLLING THE PAINT. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Another irony:

My foreign friends have also watched a couple of Kings games with me.

"So, when do you play the Lakers, Sonny?"

Well, my friends, that will be the last game of the season.
You've been watching the Lakers play, so you know that by that time,
they may be scratching just to get into the playoffs.
We man handled this bunch of Hollywood girls the last time we played them...
so...if the game is any kind of determiner...we'll send them to Cancun!

"Ha Ha Ha...you're hilarious, Sonny!
The Lakers are rubbish!" Yep

Go Kings!
Go San Francisco Giants, Major League Champions!
Go San Francisco Forty Niners...soon to be NFL Champions!

Sonnybelfast

I want to go on a huge rant and all that, but I rather go all Phil Jackson on you and tell you "that was the worst freaking lost since the Celtics 30+ rout game 6 of the 2008 finals". Yep that's exactly what I feel. The good news is we don't have to wait 1 full year to prove we deserved to win, just a weekend. Hurry up and get the rings if you want them that much etc play with reckless abandon, don't get all cocky 1st gear and think the championship will fall on your lap and you are entitled to it or you will surely lose it Lakeshow.

"sean,

The team is struggling badly in the midst of a historic threepeat run, and you're concern is whether Kobe talks to the media? Really?

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | February 17, 2011 at 12:13 PM "

It's one of many concerns. They should be addressing the problems and looking for ways to fix them instead of running from them and assuming everything will work itself out natually.

I think there are some real chemistry issues with this team. I don't see any sign of it being a group of 12 guys really locked in and focused on a common goal. I know these guys get paid millions of dollars and are expected to look past these things but they're human. When you're in a workplace and accountability isn't spread around evenly, it causes morale to drop and it causes people to disengage from the plan.

There appear to be several different camps out there. Some people will always blame the top down (Kobe, Phil, Fisher), and some people will always protect the top and blame those with less seniority, and some people look to blame and give credit where it's due. Fisher and Kobe can have lapses during the season and it doesn't become a big concern because the belief is that they will be there to perform come playoff time. Other players aren't granted that same luxury. I really sense that some players like Pau, Artest, Bynum, and to a lesser extent, a few others, feel burned by this. When they play poorly, they are called out for it immediately, and when they play well, the reason for their inconsistency is questioned.

Looking at a team like the Spurs, they have a rotation of 10-11 guys they use every game and there are no outward signs of players being frustrated by minutes, lack of shots, etc. Players all accept their roles. They don't have one player getting an uneven amount of the praise and they don't have any players that have to serve as punching bags. They appear to think and act like one cohesive unit and I think that is a big reason why they are winning such a high percentage of their games. Whether they can maintain that for the playoffs remains to be seen but it is definitely a strong foundation to build from.

I can't see the Lakers going very far without willingness to change and adapt.

"If I showed up as a Paramedic to every other call half-assed, I'm doing a disservice to my casualty, my partner and my county."-Sean

Now that would be a violation of code of conduct.

No lives are at stake on the court. I cant say the same about the viewers health risks

GO LAKERS!!!! I love you no matter what.
Posted by: longtimelakerlover
=======

So does most everyone here. That's what gets people so frustrated/angry.
People generally don't get upset/frustrated/angry about things they don't care about.

Look at Sonny, he isn't upset at all. He doesn't care about the Lakers, just here to gloat and rub it in, but it's obvious he isn't upset/angry/frustrated about the Lakers. He is enjoying this. Laker fans aren't.

Kobe simply wills his way to win "by any means necessary" and if the team loses, he knows that he put forth his best effort at the time and will always admit if his best effort was simply not good enough.

@ChicNstu- I'm not trying to bring drama, c'mon man. Principles are same, they half-assing it, it's taking pride in your work, picking up your lunchbox and going after it, everyday, they're are some athletes who still do that, follow that axiom. You know what I meant. That Mike Tyson-Buster Douglas metaphor was apt. That's what's going down right now. They blow chunks right now, don't pile on, just keep reality in mind.

Still funny, though. LOL, Keep it comin'.

"Btw with a name like nuggetscountry maybe that's why you posted those stats after all..jus sayin..lol...

Posted by: VI Lakerfan | February 17, 2011 at 12:31 PM

"

NuggetsCountry is only where I live, not who I would EVER root for! ;-) Lakers fan since 1957 in Minneapolis (where Lakers tag makes more sense)!

Sonnybelfast,

At a whopping 13-40 I can see why you're such a Kings fan. They surely have the Lakers beat in every way. Why, I don't know what we're thinking, standing up for a team who is still in the top 10 despite recent bad losses.

Keep dreaming, Sonny. Maybe one day your Kings will be relevant again.

GO LAKERS!!

I don't know why there are still so many optimistic morons thinking the Lakers have a chance to 3-peat , no way. The Lakers are lucky if they can pass the 1st round. The Lakers' glory ends this season,they are stuck with this current rosters for 2 or 3 more years, that means 2 or 3 more years of dark days will come along until............

LTLL,

You forgot to tell me how many championships you've won...
You're slipping.

Go Kings!

Sonnybelfast

Sonny,

Why should I tell you? You seem to know EVERYTHING about us.

But just for you, sweet sixteen. :-)

LTLL,

Excellent! Right on time.

I even set my watch by it.

We'll be hearing that more and more often,
as your girls sink lower and lower. Won't we?

Sonnybelfast

I don't know.

Should I bait the hook?

Nah...I think not. Not now.

Have a nice day folks.

Go Kings!

Sonnybelfast

Better-late-than-never Dept: CONGRAT TO LAKERS FOR A NEW LOW!

It's hard to imagine that they can ever top themselves with their latest act. Losing to not just the worst team in the league, but also one of the worst team in the history of the NBA... wait make that one of the worst team in professional sport.

But then again on second thought they still have another half season to try -with the same cast and same coach. So maybe nothing is impossible with this team!

We fans can debate and harp on NUMEROUS problems with this team, both on an individual basis and on a team basis but really when it all comes down to it, it still boils down to one thing: WHERE THE BUCK STOPS.

Whether it's a team issue: stupid defensive scheme, perennial ineptitude in defending the pick n roll, motivational issue, fatigue to the core players because of lack of trust in the bench players, etc... to individual players' issues: Gasol being soft, Bynum being stupid, Kobe playing and shooting too much while being less than 100%, Fish being slow, Artest being lost, etc...

One and only one man holds the power to DO SOMETHING about all the Lakers problems: Phil Jackson.

Either Phil is UNABLE or he is UNWILLING, it doesn't matter anymore. The team with the #1 biggest payroll in the league and the BEST collection of talent is free-falling and disintegrating.

For those who prefers to bury their heads in the sand and kept trotting out last season's success they either are too ignorant or too dumb to realize one truth:

The Lakers were LUCKY, that is incredibly miraculously LUCKY to win last year's championship.

If Kendrick Perkins didn't suffer the injury that kept him from game 7 AND,

if Ron Artest did not have THE-GAME-OF-HIS-LIFE by miracle, the Celts would have been the champs instead.

PS: I hope NOBODY is stoopid enough to buy Phil Jackson's indignation act over the last three losses. It's all theatric. It's all put-on. It's all just to mollify the media and the fans. If Phil had really cared, he would have done something about the above problems LONG before the last three losses.

Dearest Sonny,

Have a great day. I hope your Kings win soon.

Love,

LTLL.

Only 25 games left folks to change these bad habits and stop the team's excuses already! That is not a half a season. Unfortunately my sad prediction 2 weeks ago about only 51 wins is looking way too possible.

"Whether it's a team issue: stupid defensive scheme, perennial ineptitude in defending the pick n roll, motivational issue, fatigue to the core players because of lack of trust in the bench players, etc... to individual players' issues: Gasol being soft, Bynum being stupid, Kobe playing and shooting too much while being less than 100%, Fish being slow, Artest being lost, etc..."

Psycorp,

I love passionate fans...even Laker fans.
But your comprehensive narrative
underscores what I've been trying to say about
the Laker fan base in general.

The reason the Lakers are losing, and will probably continue
to lose (all the way to Cancun) can be summed up in five words:

Just say it!

1. Old
2. Tired
3. Slow
4. Hurt
5. Arrogant

Or, to put it another way...

They can't keep up anymore.

Save yourself some time and effort down there...
talk about something else...like...maybe...the beaches.
Howz the clean-up goin'?

Go Kings!

Sonnybelfast


Dearest Sonny,

Have a great day. I hope your Kings win soon.

Love,

LTLL.

Posted by: longtimelakerlover | February 17, 2011 at 02:03 PM

O.K.

You win.

See you in a couple of days.

Go Kings!

Sonnybelfast

Unbelievable.. just unbelievable.. how people in here have every kind of dooms day scenario.. this is basketball and this is sports.. you win some , you lose some... I love my Lakers!!!!

Go Kobe!!! Go Lakers!!!

It's the same hulaballoo all over again these last three years...

Lakers are this.. lakers are that.. they can't do this.. they can't do that.. they will be this.. t hey will be that...

Guess what... you have all been wrong these 3 years...

Enjoy the ride people!

if melo and andrew are on the same draft now, and its the lakers turn to pick.. who do you think they should take?
That would answer the question to trade or not to trade..


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