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Caught in the Web: Mitch Kupchak open to trades

47516146--The Times' Broderick Turner reports that Lakers General Manager Mitch Kupchak expressed consideration for making a trade.

--The Times' T.J. Simers expresses amusement over concern regarding the Lakers' struggles.

--NBA.com's David Aldridge lists a few things to take away from the Lakers-Celtics game and has an extensive Q&A with Joe Smith.

--The Orange County Register's Janis Carr notes the Lakers' inconsistencies on defense.

--Ball Don't Lie's Kelly Dwyer blames the Lakers' stagnant offense both on Kobe Bryant and the team's front line.

--The Houston Chronicle's Jonathan Feigen believes concern regarding the Lakers' struggles is overstated.

Feigen also highlights the possibility that the Rockets will feature three guards against the Lakers.

--NBA.com's Scott Howard-Cooper also reports that Kupchak is considering a trade.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky previews the upcoming week.

--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's David Lassen compares and contrasts the media's negative questions regarding the state of the Lakers and the team's optimistic responses to them.

--Sports Illustrated's Lee Jenkins details the Lakers' struggles in the video below.

--Sports Illustrated's Zach Lowe doesn't believe Kupchak will make a trade.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin notes how the Lakers haven't done well on their home court.

--The Daily Breeze's Elliott Teaford also focuses on Kupchak's consideration that the Lakers might make a trade.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell breaks down Monday's practice.

--Silver Screen and Roll's C.A. Clark says the Celtics exposed the triangle's weaknesses.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius Soriano scrutinizes Pau Gasol's play.

--Fox Sports' Billy Witz focuses on the Lakers' optimism.

Tweet of the Day:

"Cuban tells @dpshow he would have no problem offering Phil Jackson a job if the @Lakers coach were available." -- Andrew Siciliano (DIRECTV Red Zone Channel's Andrew Siciliano)

Reader Comment of the Day:

"This trade talk is bordering on the ridiculous. I simply cannot imagine a scenario in which Phil in his final year would agree to such a drastic move with less than half a season to go. Ain't gonna happen! Fuggedaboutit. If anything, I can see Phil taking it as a personal challenge to show all the naysayers that he can and will take this personally handpicked team all the way to #17...or go down in flames trying. I still like our chances with this exact team. Stay the course. Damn the torpedoes. Full steam ahead." -- Corner J

--- Mark Medina

Twitter.com/latmedina

Photo: Lakers General Manager Mitch Kupchak told The Times' Broderick Turner that he'd consider making a trade because of the team's poor play. Credit: Richard Hartog / Los Angeles Times.

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IN BUSS WE TRUST!

MAKE THE PITCH MITCH!

Corner J for the win!

Woot-woot!


DBDH!

AW HELL YEAH!!!
RCOTD = CORNERJ = OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR...LET'S RIDE AMIGO!!!!

I am checking in on game day!
Hey Larry!

I like all the trade talk, but I am totally waffling. Wasn't it mitchy who made the Pau trade in mid-season with Phil Jackson and we went to the finals??? We weren't expected to go anywhere.

Now we are talking about a trade and folks are saying it will disrupt the team's bid for a three-peat?

I am so confused or I have had too much tequila this season and have very poor short term memory issues.....

Cheers - PLG

No trade should be made!

To boot is moot!

No Melo in yellow!

How now brown cow, wow, no Pau? No way!

[dbdh]

CORNERJ… Congrats on the Friedman. You’re probably right but then again, Jerry Buss and Mitch might just surprise you. If we’re going to trade anybody, it will be Pau Gasol because he has the most value and is the team’s most disappointing player in my opinion. That’s my ouchhhhhhhhh take. Lol.
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TOM

Hello Fellow Lakerholics

Police here; The PSP is happy that finally a lot of the rose colored glasses are coming off. We are all fans, but that does not mean that we let our players get a free pass.

Having said that, the PSP feel that we should not trade away one of our bigs to get Melo; like someone mentioned earlier, one of our Laker's greatest advantage is our interior size and length. We give that away, suddenly we won't look as scary to a lot of teams ( The PSP know, we dont look THAT scary right now).

Btw, 131-92 you are on fire son ... some witty commentary, the PSP do not have a problem with you, just with your Celtics!

Trade Pau Gasol can be a solution. Here in Spain the newspapers said Pau has issues with Kobe and PJ. We know Pau´s personality and I think the best solution is a trade. Chicago Bulls is Pau´s favorite NBA Team (b/c MJ). May be a probable trade could be Noah and other for Pau. Pau will be happy in Chicago. This should be a good L.A. exit for him right now (he is unhappy with the Lakers now)

CornerJ

Congrats on the RCOTD!! In a few words of wisdom, you've reduced all this blathering to some basic common sense.

MM,

As far as Kobe and Melo coexisting, D-Wade and LBJ seem to be doing okay.

I'd like to know what the big deal is with Mitch's comment? Any good GM/Owner/Coach has to be willing to pull the trigger at any time if it means keeping a team competitive. Do I think the Lakers need a change, not really...not yet anyway? But will this get into some of the player's heads who have been struggling/slacking? Absolutely, and that's a good thing. Some players need that extra motivation to step it up.

Btw, 131-92 you are on fire son ... some witty commentary, the PSP do not have a problem with you, just with your Celtics!

Posted by: Practice Season Police | February 01, 2011 at 11:06 AM

I hear you. Heck ... who am I to talk? Im still waiting for the 2010 Finals to start!!

Finally ... The season begins!!

Unless the Lakers lose and then its just another practice game!

Posted by: 131-92 | February 01, 2011 at 10:27 AM
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Actually, if they win tonight, it's another practice game, too. Did I say otherwise in my post? Being a Boston Celtics fan whose team went all the way to Game 7 with a 13 point lead in the second half only to cough it up after winning only 50 regular season games last season including getting demolished by the hapless Nets in Boston, I'm surprised that you don't grasp this simple concept. But then again, you're the one who said it's always Game 7 for you when the Celtics spank the Lakers on National TV. Different perspectives I suppose.

Have to look back a few postings to find my full explanation of this, but I say put LO back into 1st string and Pau off the bench, to keep him away from Kobe ball-hog excuses. If nothing better happens then, we need to look at putting him on a team where his softness is OK and get a big that will bang!

Trade Pau Gasol can be a solution. Here in Spain the newspapers said Pau has issues with Kobe and PJ. We know Pau´s personality and I think the best solution is a trade. Chicago Bulls is Pau´s favorite NBA Team (b/c MJ). May be a probable trade could be Noah and other for Pau. Pau will be happy in Chicago. This should be a good L.A. exit for him right now (he is unhappy with the Lakers now)

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Well. Is it possible Ricky may be on to something!?
Has Pau tired of trying to be turned into something he just isn't?
A physical player.

@RICKY… “Trade Pau Gasol can be a solution. Here in Spain the newspapers said Pau has issues with Kobe and PJ. We know Pau´s personality and I think the best solution is a trade. Chicago Bulls is Pau´s favorite NBA Team (b/c MJ). May be a probable trade could be Noah and other for Pau. Pau will be happy in Chicago. This should be a good L.A. exit for him right now (he is unhappy with the Lakers now)”
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To hear that the Spanish media is claiming Pau has issues with Kobe and PJ is very disappointing news for Lakers fans to hear. That could well be the key reason why the Lakers might seek a trade and why Pau would be the player to be traded. Could you elaborate on exactly what the Spanish media is saying are the reasons for Pau’s issues with Phil and Kobe? We would appreciate knowing more. Thanks.
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TOM

Pau = Poof?

Say it aint so!


DBDH!

repost:

"Something is definitely going wrong in Gasol's mind lately. And we all know Gasol's game is seriously affected if his mentality is not the appropiate.

Unless there is a major issue (beyond our knowledge) we should all be patient and the results will pay off.

Posted by: Ganapia | February 01, 2011 at 10:40 AM
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Ganapia: I also agree that Pau has something wrong either physically (I hope for this), or mentally (harder to fix). Either way he needs to get cured whether it be on the Lakers, hopefully soon, or somewhere else if that is truly his mental dilemma. LO in the starting lineup with Pau off the bench is something I would maintain would get him focused as the leader of the 2nd unit (& Kobe mostly on the bench to eliminate Pau's excuses) or it would truly show his inability to be strong in the post without excuses available. A 2nd unit with SB, SB, LW, PG, and pick-one (LO/AB/RA) could assist Pau in coming out again.......or a disaster, which many on this blog would predict. I remain hopeful, but sincerely frustrated with the Pau we see now. WE DO NOT HAVE UNTIL APRIL TO GET THIS WORKED OUT! As we teach our children.....habits are made from repetitive behavior. These habits will not go away with the throw of a magic 'It's Playoffs time' switch!

Posted by: NuggetsCountry | February 01, 2011 at 11:15 AM

why not just pau for boozer? seems decent enough...not sure bout money havent looked into that but a healthy boozer is pretty darn good pf in my opinion.

Noah would be perfect for what IMO the Lakers need!

@CornerJ - Congrats on the RCOTD....swish!


@Ricky – I don’t know what going to happen to Pau…but as a Lakers fan I’ll always be appreciative of the 3 straight finals. FYI…I’m in the he’ll bounce back camp.

@Art - I agree with the Walsh influence on the Eagles.

@Truth – I’m feeling all your post today. You’re on a roll.

@LakerTom – Trying to ship Pau out to save Drew…very interesting.

I'd like to know what the big deal is with Mitch's comment? Any good GM/Owner/Coach has to be willing to pull the trigger at any time if it means keeping a team competitive. Do I think the Lakers need a change, not really...not yet anyway? But will this get into some of the player's heads who have been struggling/slacking? Absolutely, and that's a good thing. Some players need that extra motivation to step it up. Posted by: EastCoastJessie | February 01, 2011 at 11:17 AM
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NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT...Preach ECJ, PREACH!!!!!
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WE RIDE WITH WHAT GOT US HERE AMIGOS – BANDWAGON
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(01) DON’T BLAME DEL HARRIS – OWNER - No trade should be made! To boot is moot! No Melo in yellow! How now brown cow, wow, no Pau? No way!
(02) CORNERJ – CO/OWNER - Bottom line...I say we stay the course and go with the team that got us two rings. We're the champs until someone knocks us off in the playoffs. Nobody's done that yet, and I'm betting nobody will.
(03) JOVBATZ44 – CO/OWNER - I personally have to disagree in trading Pau & Co. for Melo & Co. Pau has proven to be tough when being called for to be tough. It's just that, IMO, sometimes he reverts back to being finesse(which is actually his style of play). A style he grew up playing. I love this current Lakers line-up. No need to retool.
(04) PSYCHEDLAKERGIRL – DRIVER - I like all the trade talk, but I am totally waffling. Wasn't it mitchy who made the Pau trade in mid-season with Phil Jackson and we went to the finals??? We weren't expected to go anywhere. Now we are talking about a trade and folks are saying it will disrupt the team's bid for a three-peat? I am so confused or I have had too much tequila this season and have very poor short term memory issues.....
(05) ROCKY – CO/DRIVER - This team has proven that it can win a championship. Let's ride this out and let the Lakers work their magic. Winning a championship never has and never will be easy. There will be bumps along the road.
(06) LROB – RIDING SHOTGUN - Pau is what he is. All of us would like him to play tougher, but his skill set is good enough to get the job done. You don’t have to physically manhandle people or push them around to get the job done. Basketball is still first and foremost a game of skill. Pau has skills that aren’t easily duplicated.
(07) JUSTA(formerly JustaLakerFan) - I think the Lakers are better served by playing this hand out. Just need to inject some energy and they have that on the bench in EB and DC.
Next wait for unrestricted FA's to hit the market at end of season so you don't give up core players but add better players to team.
(08) MAMBA24 – let’s ride with what bought us here!!!
(09) MARCO64 - The Logic isn't so hard to understand, sometimes.. From Gasol's arrival, Lakers went three times to the Finals, and they won twice. We all know the situation before..This year, Gasol isn't playing as well as in the past, and the Lakers often struggle. Logic says: Gasol is fundamental for the Lakers. Logical result: try to recover Gasol to his level. Illogical result: trade Gasol. So easy..
(10) EASTCOASTJESSIE - I'd like to know what the big deal is with Mitch's comment? Any good GM/Owner/Coach has to be willing to pull the trigger at any time if it means keeping a team competitive. Do I think the Lakers need a change, not really...not yet anyway? But will this get into some of the player's heads who have been struggling/slacking? Absolutely, and that's a good thing. Some players need that extra motivation to step it up
(11) JOHNNYV - I haven't given up on Pau (I am convinced his problems are Girlfriend related). I am also pretty confident that Artest will turn it up two notches in the playoffs. He had the same problems last year and we chalked it up to learning the triangle and his feet.
(12) GANAPIA - Unless there is a major issue (beyond our knowledge) we should all be patient and the results will pay off.
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@Mamba – You’re absolutely right on Hodges. Him challenging MJ on his community obligations didn’t go over to well with your airness.

Nice from Mr. Hartman. I was listening to him on Free Ride from his Edgar Winter days a few days ago.

Oh yeah…snowy/cold Midwest nights has it benefits..even for those of us not working on a 3peat :-)

To LakerTom.

I don´t Know. The newspappers said only "issues" (problemas in spanish) with Kobe and PJ. The translation is "bad Chemistry" obviously. I read in this blog and others, Pau has issues with his "personal life". You Know somethink more about that????????

Pau to Bulls?
From a salary standpoint the Lakers could get Boozer AND Rose.
Sure, the Bulls would go for that!

Pau to Bulls? From a salary standpoint the Lakers could get Boozer AND Rose.
Sure, the Bulls would go for that! Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | February 01, 2011 at 11:41 AM
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LMAO!!! Art the Bulls would not trade Rose for Kobe.

FL Lakers Fan.

Pau loves Chicago Bulls b/c MJ (he is a huge MJ fan) He told many times at the spanish media earlier his trade to L.A., Chicago will be a nice place to play BB. May Be The Lakers could make this dream come true.

Obviously in Spain (is more a Celtic territory) Chicago will be a amazing Team for him. We love the Jordan´s Bulls, too. With 3 finals and 2 rings, I think Pau deserve a nice end in L.A.

Oh yeah…snowy/cold Midwest nights has it benefits..even for those of us not working on a 3peat :-) Posted by: LRob | February 01, 2011 at 11:39 AM
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LMAO!!!!! Come to think of it, I think your town is right in the middle of the storm zone also...In fact you may get more than Chicago!!! OH THE HUMMANITY!!!

I'm surprised that you don't grasp this simple concept. But then again, you're the one who said it's always Game 7 for you when the Celtics spank the Lakers on National TV. Different perspectives I suppose.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | February 01, 2011 at 11:23 AM

I do grasp this simple concept ... I just dont use it as an excuse. I want to win every game even though I know it is not possible. I know we can win the Title without HCA but I rather have it. Youve come up with this "pactice season" to make you feel better when you lose.

Let me clearify my statement about it always being game 7 when we spank the Lakers on National TV! I should have said its always game 7 for ME, I shouldnt speak for the rest of Celtic Nation. I live in LA, NOT Boston, so my phone blows up every time Kobe scores an uncontested layup vs Golden State with a 30 pt lead in the 4th quarter!!!

All my friends are Laker fans not Celtic fans!!! So YES, "Different perspectives I suppose."

Well...can't sleep, so let me take a stab at something here...

"Hey Rey Rey

Us Laker/Kobe fans have been together for the last 14+ years
This type of jealousy is undermining, just like when other Laker players speak before they think about what they say about Kobe.
He is an icon right there with Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and Magic Johnson

ANY QUESTIONS?"

Posted by: inquiring minds wanna know | February 01, 2011 at 09:46 AM

Hey Hey Perspiring Mind,

I know several former Laker fans who would take serious issue
with your presumptuous and challenging remarks.
Some had been Laker fans since they arrived in L.A.,
possibly before you were born.
Kobe, and the whole Kobe mentality singularly ran them off.
They were Laker fans. Some hard core.
Kobe was, and is the fly in the ointment.
Some people have their principles.

Also, don't think for a moment
that all current and solid Laker fans
feel the same that you do.
Far from it...and no, you won't find them
on this another-day-at-the-office-board.
Many fans here would support Pol Pot if he brought them a ring.

But I do wonder if Kobe would be the type of person
you'd want to befriend,
or take your daughter out on a date
(he's not above adultery, you know),
if he wasn't so gifted a game player?

Go Kings!
Go SF Giants!
Go Aaron Rogers, Nocal Chico boy!

Sonnybelfast

Many fans here would support Pol Pot if he brought them a ring.
Posted by: Sonnybelfast | February 01, 2011 at 11:54 AM
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Well he did have a mean hook shot!!!

You gotta love it when a Laker fan thinks he/she speaks for all Laker fans.

Run into the same problem with Kings fans.

Celtics up.

Go Kings!

Sonnybelfast

Who would Mitch consider trading? I keep hearing rumors about Artest for Tayshaun Prince....something to consider MAYBE???

The Lakers, where amazing me happens.

Fisher is no longer the #1 weakest link on our team, no longer the 2nd, but the 3rd weakest link.

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Have to look back a few postings to find my full explanation of this, but I say put LO back into 1st string and Pau off the bench, to keep him away from Kobe ball-hog excuses. If nothing better happens then, we need to look at putting him on a team where his softness is OK and get a big that will bang!

Posted by: NuggetsCountry | February 01, 2011 at 11:26 AM

I like this Idea. That's the only trade I would tho, LO for Pau in the starting line up.

"Who would Mitch consider trading? I keep hearing rumors about Artest for Tayshaun Prince....something to consider MAYBE???

Posted by: Laker Fan | February 01, 2011 at 11:59 AM "

Detroit is trying to go young, Artest has a lot of years left on his contract, and he's not exactly a fan favorite in that arena (cough). I don't think that one is happening.

Wow, after six years or whatever, the little 'comments' thing moves to the top of the thread. Maybe in another six we can have a 'ignore this guy' function next to people's names.

Mitch saying he will look for a trade is rather meaningless, yes?

'Hey, Sam, I'm looking at this 'um, Kenyon Durampt, is that how say it, oh, Kevin, sorry...this Kevin Durango guy you guys have? I don't know much about him, but I could see either getting you Luke Walton or Joe Smith. No, probably not both, I...well, let me talk to Jerry.'

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE!

GO LAKERS!

Hmmm. Bynum has been back for almost 30 games now and LakerTom wants to trade Pau Gasol. Hmmm.

Clickity Click, Clickity Clack


Listen to the sound of the keyboards humming
as Laker nation searches for a trade forth coming.
ESPN Trade machine is where it's at
their servers smokin' from the clickity clack
of Laker fans fingers jumping up and down
on the keyboard lookin' for who to bring to town.

Melo, Noah, Boozer too
we want 'em all, Gasol? Screw you.
Billips, sure, ok take a shot,
and a D Rose too
now we're gettin' hot.

Drew you're ok but it depends who you ask
and if you dont pick it up your ass is grass.
Nobody is safe unless your name is Bryant
so come on you guys ya better start tryin.
Give it all you got or there's gunna be some changes
according to Mitch he'll do some rearranges.

Ya think we're unrealistic or maybe just kiddin'
when we say we gunna get the better end of the deal,
if that's the case you ain't payin' attention
any trade we do is gunna be a steal.

All the other teams fans it don't matter
cuz we Laker fans we're just badder
and if you wanna know why we get the trades we want
it's cuz we are the Lakers, you're not.

"To hear that the Spanish media is claiming Pau has issues with Kobe and PJ is very disappointing news for Lakers fans to hear. That could well be the key reason why the Lakers might seek a trade and why Pau would be the player to be traded. Could you elaborate on exactly what the Spanish media is saying are the reasons for Pau’s issues with Phil and Kobe? We would appreciate knowing more. Thanks.
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TOM

Posted by: LakerTom | February 01, 2011 at 11:30 AM "

I'm guessing it's the same things we here from time to time but Spain just takes Gasol's side more. After the games that Kobe shoots 30 times and the Lakers lose, Gasol has always stressed ball movement and working the ball inside out.

Phil rarely takes Pau's side on those complaints and when he does, there's usually a bit of backhandedness going along with it.

My two cents regarding the Melo for Pau trade talk is this. While Pau is the one that is having more glaring struggles with his game this year the stats do not show him declining that much. However, his body language and lack of physicality are a different story altogether, and seem to be hurting the team.
Having said that I believe that the better trade would be Melo for Bynum and some of our young talent, along with a third team being involved to make it more luring for Denver and to possibly pick up another big man for the Lakers. Maybe Charlotte who has been rumored to be shopping Wallace could be that team.
The main reason for my proposal is to simply look at the possibility of acquiring D. Howard in the future. It already has been rumored that if the Magic don't win a championship he will opt out of his contract in 2012, and would want to join the Lakers, making him a trade possibility next year. I would then do the Gasol for Howard trade in a heartbeat. The Lakers could end up with Howard, Melo, and Kobe playing together by midseason next year. This can make the Lakers relevant and competitive for years to come. Food for thought


@LROB… “@LakerTom – Trying to ship Pau out to save Drew…very interesting.” LOL.
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Seriously, when you look at who might be on the trading block in line with Mitch’s comments and the realities of the market, it seems to me that Pau is the Lakers only real option. He has more trade appeal and has been playing poorer than Drew or Lamar. In Drew’s case, the injury issue limits what we can get for him. In Lamar’s case, he is having a career year. And in Artest’s, Luke’s, and Fisher’s cases, they don’t really have much trade value. The only way the Lakers make an impact trade is to deal Pau, who apparently is having some serious motivational and chemistry issues. And if you trade Pau, the only available player out there with comparable salary and talent IMO is Carmelo Anthony. The move would not be one that Phil would make but the Lakers may be looking beyond this year. Melo would make them a younger, tougher, more athletic and physical team and extend Kobe’s championship window by a few years as well as providing a true alpha player to be our #2 option. It really has nothing to do with Drew who, notwithstanding the last two games, has shown how important he is to the team’s defense. When the music stops, the guy without a seat will be Pau.
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TOM

"Wow, after six years or whatever, the little 'comments' thing moves to the top of the thread. Maybe in another six we can have a 'ignore this guy' function next to people's names"

Or, an 'ignore this girlie' function.

It's all about the love.

Go Kings!
Time to rip the Package Checker a new one.
Pierce is gonna love the new Casspi.

Sonnybelfast

Hey all, been away for a while but did mostly keep up with the daily readings on the blog. My goodness, some things never change... I'll leave it at that and open to interpretation.


MM: The B-Shaw piece was OUTSTANDING! Truly one of the best articles you have produced for the blog. Yes, the subject is a great, interesting guy however the questions were right-on. Nice work!

B-Shaw continues to be the #1 choice for next Laker had coach in my eyes, his comments in this article did nothing but reinforce that view for me.

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As for the C's game the other day, 3 out of their big-4 were at the top of their games. KG, Allen and Pierce all brought it. On the other hand we definitely didn't play our best - outside of that #24 guy.

Yet, we were still in it until the 4th. It was a two possession game midway through the 4th. Stellar game for the C's, subpar game for us and we're still right there? I'd say that the C's know deep-down they got away with the win when the Lakers intensity started curiously diminishing.

There were times in the first half that the C's frontcourt was totally getting manhandled, out-hustled, out-tipped on rebounds and looked totally overwhelmed by the Laker bigs - and then we looked either tired/soft and unwilling to match their intensity.

That is why:

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I don't think it will happen, I also agree that this team has earned the right to try and threepeat - however a change of chemistry might kickstart this team back into gear.

Phil and Kobe may have no worries, and I don't question their will-to-win or determination. However, it is the rest of the squad that worries me.

An acquisition something like McAdoo, Mychael Thompson, Cedric Ceballos, Rodman, Glen Rice, Payton/Malone and Pau. Something that will infuse them with energy and passion. Some of them worked great, others not so good and Rodman was an all-out failure however this team seems to need something. New blood, new bodies, new attitudes.

There seems to be a certain malaise which has settled in that is more than just the natural disinterest of a proven team during a long NBA regular season. I can't put my finger on it, but on some nights it is more than boredom - there is a lack of passion.

Kobe is untouchable, so is Drew. Those two are off the table. L.O.'s versatility is a very important asset, so I would be very reluctant to deal him too. If the Lakers could make a move to bring in a savvy veteran presence, why not do it?

LakerTom's proposed trade of 'Melo & Billups for Pau, Ron Ron and another body may not happen because of a few issues. The Nuggs are looking to get younger, and the Lakers throwing in a couple end-of-the-first-round draft picks and the guaranteed contracts that come with them are something that are probably unappealing for Denver to get back. Artest and the Nugg-thugs probably wouldn't be the best mix either, but the Lakers have no other young talent outside of Drew that would interest them. Also, as appealing a move to L.A. might sound to most people but Melo has already said he was looking to make a move to NYC with La La, both from the Big Apple - without the signed extension a trade is not possible.

'Melo and Kobe are close buds. Yes, as MM points out, Kobe and 'Melo will need to share the rock, each of them will need to accommodate the other. I am pretty confident that 'Melo would be more than happy to step back in order to play with Kobe, so I don't see as much of a problem as MM envisions. Caron Butler was not the player that 'Melo is, but he and Kobe integrated their games very well. The mamba has skills as a distributor, a drive-and-dish guy and would be a better fit than the 'bigger-2' in Miami.

I'm a huge D-Fish guy. But Billups or Fish? C'mon. I'm also a realist. This would a very tough swallow for all us long-time Laker fans that see and recognize the intangibles Fish brings. I can see Fish moving into the B-Shaw role, the Ron Harper role with this squad and bring veteran savvy off the bench.

I'm also of Spanish descent and Pau is a big-time fave of mine. But, as much as I love Pau, I love rings more. I'm a Pau fan but a Laker fan first. Purple and gold. The fact is Pau has not been himself this year, don't know if what Ricky says is true and he is telling the Spanish media he's unhappy with Phil and Kobe (I'm going to check that out) but whatever is goin on, something is amiss.

26-yr old Melo or 30-yr old Pau? Billups at the point or Fish? If such trade were to happen, despite the long-odds stacked against it, this would be the Lakers starting lineup:

Billups-Kobe-'Melo-L.O.-Drew

Are you kidding me? That is an all-star team right there!

I'm a Laker fan first, and if a trade improves the team bottom-line, as tough as it may be to stomach, I say DO IT!

Bring on 'Melo, bring on Billups - and the rings that would surely come!


AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!!

He should be open to trades. The Lakers are not playing up to their potential, he is right. This is a new NBA, and the arms race is at an all-time high with teams. The Lakers need to make a move, I am convinced whether big or small. I would like to see them bring in maybe a Kirk Hinrich, because Steve Blake has played horrible lets be honest. He was supposed to take Fisher's spot, but I think even Fish haters would agree; Fish has outplayed him! Barnes will pick up Artest's slack when he returns, but the point guard position has been one that the Lakers have tried to address for some years now.

Before Pau arrived, not even making the playoffs
was a possibility.

Ricky is right.

Pau made the Lakers a champion again,
overnight.

You can't be that pathetic, can you?

Go Kings!
It's time to remove some sutures.

Sonnybelfast

I think all of the Lakers weaknesses are currently compounding each other. They're slower at guarding the perimeter, Ron Artest is slower at guarding the opposing team's scorer, Kobe has to be used more conservatively, and Pau and Bynum are both more finesse than physical.

When teams get rough with Pau, they can take him out of his game but that doesn't have to make the team collapse if the other 4 guys are holding down their ends. They won 2 championships without him being an enforcer underneath. It's that now, when Gasol is getting beat inside, Artest is also getting beat by his man, and Fisher and Kobe can't stop penetration on the perimeter.

As a whole, the Lakers are a veteran team and do a very adequate job of doing the little things and being in the right places and their defensive statistics support that. However, the elite teams are having no trouble finding and exposing all of the weaknesses that exist.

It's hard to deflect the criticisms about old age and slow defense when the entire starting lineup (including Derek Fisher) is penciled in to be a starter for 2 more years after this one.

As I said a couple days ago, Ohio State has to beat Michigan, vice versa, and if not changes happen.

Ditto, Lakers vs Celtics. If SA is a repeat performance, the phones may heat up.

Pau hasn't played up to Pau par, but there are reasons for that among which are teams know, stop Pau, stop LA.

If Fish and Ron were having even decent years this wouldn't be a discussion.

A Pau trade could be disastrous. Do you trade 1 of the 2 guys that hung the last 2 banners? Only if he wants out and we won't know that till it happens.

As I said a couple days ago, Ohio State has to beat Michigan, vice versa, and if not changes happen.

Ditto, Lakers vs Celtics. If SA is a repeat performance, the phones may heat up.

Pau hasn't played up to Pau par, but there are reasons for that among which are teams know, stop Pau, stop LA.

If Fish and Ron were having even decent years this wouldn't be a discussion.

A Pau trade could be disastrous. Do you trade 1 of the 2 guys that hung the last 2 banners? Only if he wants out and we won't know that till it happens.

Los Angeles Lakers without Pau will be the same team before 2008.

¿Bynum is injured again?

PHREDS in the House...HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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In other news:

Both Airports in Chicago - yes that includes Ohare The Worlds busiest - have been closed because of the impending 2 foot plus Snow Storm!!! There are now 6 inches and counting!!!
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Mamba24 has yet to be congratulated on his 3-peat by his BFF Justanothermambafan. In fact he has been ignored, yes IGNORED I say!

That is all for now Nation...Carry On!!


@BAY TO LA...
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“I think all of the Lakers weaknesses are currently compounding each other. They're slower at guarding the perimeter, Ron Artest is slower at guarding the opposing team's scorer, Kobe has to be used more conservatively, and Pau and Bynum are both more finesse than physical.”
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Excellent post with great points, Bay to LA. You hit the nail on the head with the comment that the Lakers weaknesses are compounding each other. It’s one thing to have make up for Fish’s 1 of every game but when you throw in Ron’s consistent disappearing act, Pau’s uninspiring weak and soft performances, and subpar play from Steve Blake, who was supposed to give us a better option at point guard, it’s not surprising that the Lakers are struggling. While I do disagree on Bynum being more finesse, I definitely now see clearly what you have been ranting about for months.
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“It's hard to deflect the criticisms about old age and slow defense when the entire starting lineup (including Derek Fisher) is penciled in to be a starter for 2 more years after this one.”
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The above point about our starting lineup for this and the next two years is what has triggered me to support trading Pau Gasol for Carmelo Anthony. If Denver gets desperate, we may be able to get Melo and even Chauncey. We might have to give up our two prized rookies and some draft picks as well as maybe UPS and Blake if Denver would not accept Artest and Fisher but the smart move at this point in time is to make a move to save this season as well as extending Kobe’s championship window by a couple of years. A starting lineup of Kobe, Chauncey, Melo, Lamar, and Drew would give us a much younger, tougher, and more athletic and physical lineup that could win a couple of more titles before Kobe retired. And Melo would be insurance in the event that Drew did not become the dominate center for which the Lakers are hoping and praying. Time for a bold move.
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TOM

NuggetsCountry,

At the end we all get over excited and start imagine the weirdest scenarios...but something is wrong. It is not normal that he went from the best start of his carreer being considered MVP (with a perfect 10/10 night) to these days where Pau Gasol is having his worst time as a Laker and that is affecting the team dramatically. He is one of the best international to ever play in the NBA but I'm starting to think that he has not maximized his G*d given talent. He is not mentally strong and he needs favorable situations to play his game. When he is out of a game its like a depressed man that can't get out of the hole, then he suddently make a a couple of and 1 plays and he is back in business and confident again but these ups and downs at the age of 30 are worrying.

Still I am very confident that he will improve and will be key again for the threepeat.

Please remember the Celtics sucked last year during regular season and they were very close to win it all...

>>>I like all the trade talk, but I am totally waffling. Wasn't it mitchy who made
>>>the Pau trade in mid-season with Phil Jackson and we went to the finals???

Totally different situation. That season, the Lakers struggled and scratched and clawed their way up to 1st place in the Western Conference... then Bynum got injured. So Mitch went fishing and caught a whopper.

>>>We weren't expected to go anywhere.

Yes, we were. Maybe not 3 straight finals, but like I said, before Bynum went down, the Lakers were in 1st place and were already relevant, even without Pau.


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