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Ron Artest and Blake Griffin technical fouls and ejections rescinded

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According to a team spokesman, the Clippers have been notified by the NBA that Sunday's technical fouls and accompanying $4,000 fines have been rescinded for Lakers forward Ron Artest and Clippers forward Blake Griffin during a late-game scuffle in the Lakers' 99-92 loss to the Clippers.

Meanwhile, Lakers forward Lamar Odom and Clippers guard Baron Davis will each still receive one technical foul along with the $4,000 ejection fee.

The situations started with 5.7 seconds left in the game when Griffin positioned himself rather physically in front of Odom to get the rebound after Randy Foye's free throw. Explaining afterward that he took offense to Griffin playing with that kind of intensity with the result all but official, Odom tugged on Griffin's jersey and continued to do so after Foye made the free throw. After Odom jawed at Griffin, the Clippers forward put his hands up to indicate that he didn't want the altercation to escalate.

That prompted Davis to run cross-court and enter the fray to separate Odom from Griffin, pushing Odom slightly away from his teammates. Odom then put his hands on Davis' arm, prompting Artest to pull Odom away.

The sequence resulted in the ejections of Odom, Artest, Griffin and Davis, rulings by the referees that Lakers Coach Phil Jackson strongly questioned after the game.

"I don't know how they make their decisions -- whimsically, I think," Jackson said. "I can see Lamar and Griffin or whatever. But Ron -- that was ridiculous."

-- Lisa Dillman and Mark Medina

E-mail the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com.

Photo: Lakers and Clippers players scuffle in the final minutes of Sunday's game. Credit: Barbara Davidson / Los Angeles Times.

 
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Repost and I don't even care.

KobeMVP888,

If you stay out in a lake fishing long enough you're bound to catch something. Fisher plays 30 plus minutes a game, hes bound to hit a shot sooner or later (what you call clutch). Fisher should thank Kobe and Phil, not us.
And as for the least important position on the team PG, if it's not that important
why not have Blake in there with starters more time? Whats the difference?
Blake was playing well early in the season when his minutes were about the same as Fishers.

LRob,

For the past 2 to 3 games I haven't bashed on Fisher on the live chat, but enough is enough. Somethings gotta give. Like Rick F. said, changes got to happen. Practice/regular season or not, doesn't matter. Change is good
Split the time between Fisher and Blake more evenly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SnEVhJtl6Q


Well PJ was right..

LEWSTRS present and accounted for...checking in for Roll Call...

Happy Manny Pacquiao Day everyone...

Well MVP888 was right...He called a loss against the Clippers and a win tonight against the Thunder...I hope the Lakers will take out their frustrations on Durant and company...

WHAT...The wifey just informed me that today is Martin Luther King Day, and not Manny Pacquiao Day...

In the words of the immortal coach Vince Lombardi...

"What the hell is going on out there!!!"

Good. Those objections should be rescinded.

What's up with the refs this year?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

So I was right all along and stu jackson finally got it right.. Baron deserved his T and ejection.

@Art-FL.. While I do agree blake deserves some flak for his current struggles let's also not judge him yet on half a seasons work. Perhaps he's just slumping as all good shooters do or maybe some injury issues but I do have faith he will suck it up and bounce back and not be stuck with jordan farmaritis... This guy is a warrior and a proven winner all the way back when he led maryland to the ncaa title

@Lrob... I'd have to say comparing dfish and blakes stats apples to apples is a little unfair.. All of dfish minutes comes next to kobe and starters while blake comes w second unit... I am confident blake would fill in just fine as a starter.. He can do everything dfish can and a whole lot more.. He even hit some clutch 3s early this season when given the chance... All he needs is a CHANCE which he clearly is not getting.

Repost and I don't even care.

KobeMVP888,

If you stay out in a lake fishing long enough you're bound to catch something.
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Then why did you re-post if you don't even care?

Instead of dwelling on your hatred for Derek Fisher's game, why don't you list the positive things that he has contributed to this team, and I am not talking about his scoring average, shooting percentage or how many assists per game he gets, or even your disgust with his play this season. Just state them without trying to belittle them as intangibles and then compare his leadership qualities to the other players on the team.

He's not the co-captain of the Lakers for nothing.

CLIPPERS, BABY!

New life in this team. Exciting stuff.

Laker Kev,

Interesting comments to MM about the blog.

I think you have a good point. While I do think the blog had more posts in years past, it's somewhat cyclical and also somewhat depends on how the Lakers are playing.

Notice how when the Lakers lose there are usually more posts than when they win. Prior to the Lakers 2008-2010, they weren't winning as much and there was more to complain, oops, scratch that, let's say there was more to discuss/debate, thus a higher number of posts.

Also, over time, people come and go. I think about a week or so ago someone posted that the trolls have driven off a lot of old bloggers and then last night someone posted that the "favored 27" are driving people away. While that may apply to a few, I don't think either is correct for the most part.

Old bloggers leave for a variety of reasons, things change in their lives or maybe they just kinda get tired of it after some period of time. On the other hand, new people find the blog or begin to post after reading for some period of time.

The contents of a particular thread also plays a role in number of posts.
But there will always be some that stop posting and new people that start.

From SSR:

"OK, I get it, Fish will be awesome in the playoffs, but does he have to be suck so bad until than?".

Repost and I don't even care...Aw shoot!! I don't have anything to repost!!!

The contents of a particular thread also plays a role in number of posts.
But there will always be some that stop posting and new people that start. Posted by: Art - FL Laker Fan | January 17, 2011 at 10:52 AM
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Excellent Post my brother!!!! Carry On!

@Art-FL.. While I do agree blake deserves some flak for his current struggles let's also not judge him yet on half a seasons work.
Posted by: yellofever |
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yello,

Isn't there a bit of contradiction in that statement?
Where is the line drawn between giving him some flak and judging him?

As for your other comments about him, I hope you're right. I acknowledge that I may be a little impatient.

@Art/mclyne - I agree Drew needs to stop with the complaining and throwing his hands up in disgust. But Phil needs to hold a separate press conference and just say enough already to draw attention to Drew's case. Overall, I'd like the Lakers to cut back on their complaining also.


@mclyne - excellent selection. Thank you.


@Lew...lol.


@fever - Good point. I think that also what Bay to LA was saying. But remember there's a two sides of the ball. That means Blake would be guarding starting PG's also...and defense isn't his strong suit.

@SSR
LOL!
I, and many others, feel your pain.

I would be in favor of starting Blake over Fish for the betterment of the TEAM.

Fish is a big boy and would be able to handle it.

Only one big person getting in the way of this happening: Phil.

On his day, let me quote MLK ... "Can't we all just get along?"

Art,

Thanks for the good additions to my comments. I'm a FL Laker fan too, exiled in Orlando.

I guess Artest can now breathe a sigh of relief...and afford to take those sorry refs out for sushi.

888,

A list of these infamous intangibles please.

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and defense isn't his strong suit.

Posted by: LRob | January 17, 2011 at 10:57 AM

And Fishers is?

@LRob

I agree, Bynum isn't getting any love from the refs. I just feel that he needs to keep his mouth shut and arms to his sides, no matter what direction the refs choose to go.

I do agree that Phil might have to step in sooner than later. Maybe Phil won't have to do this if Bynum took the next few weeks to change his reactions.

On his day, let me quote MLK ... "Can't we all just get along?" Posted by: Mike Tyson | January 17, 2011 at 11:02 AM
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Sorry my brother you got the wrong King. That was Rodney...Carry On!!!

Magia32,

Don't worry change will happen if the Lakers aren't playing better heading down the stretch. For now, its still too early. Drew has only been in the starting lineup for 10 games or so.


Nice selection on 2pac-Changes. Of course, you know he sampled Bruce Hornsby's 1986 #1 hit "The Way It is"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1NAGhiVqdg


Hornsby -
Well they passed a law in '64
To give those who ain't got a little more
But it only goes so far
Because the law won't change another's mind
When all it sees at the hiring time
Is the line on the color bar


Pac -
And still I see no changes can't a brother get a little peace
It's war on the streets & the war in the Middle East
Instead of war on poverty they got a war on drugs
so the police can bother me

Btw, I am dreaming of a frontline of Bynum and Griffin in three years. Hopefully, this will become a reality.

This kid, Blake, is going to be one of the most dominant low post players in the game once he learns a few more post moves. He is already posting amazing numbers as a rook- just think of what his game will be like a few years from now, when he matures into a good decision making beast on every single posession.

On his day, let me quote MLK ... "Can't we all just get along?" Posted by: Mike Tyson | January 17, 2011 at 11:02 AM
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Sorry my brother you got the wrong King. That was Rodney...Carry On!!!

Posted by: Mamba24 | January 17, 2011 at 11:04 AM

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LOL@ Mamba

LRob,

I would love it if Phil did that, would be great to see him stick up for his players against the refs. He can well afford any fines he gets.
Then behind closed doors he needs to tell them to focus on the game and forget the calls.

Also, interesting comment about if Blake had to play with the starters as well as against the others teams starters. That's a point that's probably overlooked.
But just for fun, I'd like to see how it worked out.

Laker fan-

I was thinking Griffin might look really good in GREEN!

We should have some salary cap space by then and probably gonna be in need of a PF!

He kinda reminds me of our current PF and seems to not like the Lakers, which is always a plus!!!

Hey Laker Kev,

Guess were almost kinda neighbors (relatively speaking) as I'm in the Tampa area.

Art FL Laker can,

Good point. Personally, I think the blog has just lost steam for me (I'm sure others enjoy it).

I think the Lakers are playing horribly, and the blog should reflect a sense of desperation and frustration. This is Phil's last season, Kobe is slowing down, Miami is poised to run things for a few years. This is our 3 peat season, and it's our best, if not only chance, of 3peating for years to come, and we're getting some losses that shouldn't be happening. We will NOT ever see a chance for another Laker 3 peat any time soon, as the Kobe Era will be coming to an end, and other teams are getting stronger. So I would think we fans would reflect that desperation in this blog.

But it's not there, and it hasn't been since day one. This blog has no passion, no focus, no desire. Maybe it's reflected of the Laker team itself. I don't know.

I've been posting here since the days of Smush Parker, and I remember having to defend him almost on a nightly basis. The Denver crisis and Kobe's wanting to be traded were also fun times. Many of the people back then I don't see anymore. Maybe they've burned out. I don't know. But the bottom line is that I don't feel inspired to post on this blog anymore.

I've enjoyed this blog for years, and I miss certain things. And for that reason, I won't be posting anymore for at least the rest of the season, and then I'll see what's up after that. I'll stop by to read the rantings of some of you guys from time to time, but for me, I'm done.

Laker Fan Forever, guys.

-troy

Those who know me, know that I am a huge Derek Fisher supporter. I support his clutch shots, his ability to make big 3s when it matters, how he is constantly taking a charge compared to so many other Laker players. (Sometimes I think Fish does a better job at preventing charges to the basket than Gasol)

He is my man, my favourite player on the Lakers. His speeches, charisma, and overall stuff to do anything around the league has impressed me since I was about 10 years old.

All of that being said, I am severely disappointed in him as of late. He is sensing the critics and is throwing up shots in desperation to prove why he should still be on this Laker squad. Derek, we all know why you should be here. You calm Kobe down, the offense runs better when you are on the floor (like it or not, it does.) You don't need to prove to be here.

I look at Steve Nash who is 37 years old, and he is still playing miles ahead of Derek Fisher, granted he has been very injury prone as of late so who knows. I think that for the regular season Derek should go down to playing 5-7 mins a quarter max, and letting Steve Blake learn the position more. Although, I haven't seen anything great about Steve Blake either. Perhaps if his role was increased, we would? I don't doubt his ankle is bugging him at the moment, hence why Fish is getting more minutes.

I don't know what the answer is to the haters. I know that Derek is playing like complete and utter shit at the moment though. And I know, that he will come up big come play off season, always does, always will. But in the mean time, I think it's time he steps down with his roll a little bit to allow other Laker players to grow.

I was thinking Griffin might look really good in GREEN! We should have some salary cap space by then and probably gonna be in need of a PF! He kinda reminds me of our current PF and seems to not like the Lakers, which is always a plus!!! Posted by: 131-92 | January 17, 2011 at 11:13 AM


131, where the heck you been sir? Naw, I think Blake would look kind of tacky in that green. Now Gold & Purple...Excellent!!! Lol!! So it seems even thru adversity your team is hanging on to 1st place in the East and 2nd place overall with a death grip. You should be proud of them. Also Happy New Year to you and yours, I hope all is well my brother.

131 - 92,

I think every fan in the nba wants to see that kid in their team's uniform. Clipper fans better enjoy him while they can.

I don't know what the answer is to the haters. I know that Derek is playing like complete and utter shit at the moment though. And I know, that he will come up big come play off season, always does, always will. But in the mean time, I think it's time he steps down with his roll a little bit to allow other Laker players to grow. Posted by: Diandra | January 17, 2011 at 11:22 AM
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ROTFLMAO!!! PREACH DIANDRA, PREACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've enjoyed this blog for years, and I miss certain things. And for that reason, I won't be posting anymore for at least the rest of the season, and then I'll see what's up after that. I'll stop by to read the rantings of some of you guys from time to time, but for me, I'm done. Laker Fan Forever, guys. Posted by: troy | January 17, 2011 at 11:21 AM
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AW HELL NAW!!! Now let's be reasonable here. Slow down my brother. One Drama Punk on this Blog is enough!! LOL! You have a very valuable voice on this Blog and to those that don't agree with you...To hell with them!! I mean most times I don't agree with you so to hell with me too...WTH? OK let's try that again. How is the Blog going to have a variety of opinions if folks like you leave. Now Troy I want you to think long and hard on this. I would hate for you to leave and come back and get a horrible reputation like that Freakin Cheerleader Mamba24 of being a...Drama Punk!!! LOL! In all seriousness I hope you reconsider my brother. I truly enjoy your Post even when you are wrong. LOL! All the best whatever your decision. LAKERS FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Diandra,

Couldn't love and appreciate Fish more for who he is as a person and everything he's done for this franchise and Laker fans.

Mamba-

Thank You! Same to you and yours. I was in South Florida for the Holidays. I got a chance to watch the Heat v Laker game with Heat fan. Due to the fact that my 2nd favorite team is whoever is playing the Lakers, I felt right at home rooting against the Lakers.

Hopefully we can KG back tonite and it seems Perk should be back rather soon. Get Delonte back and we will be ready to roll!

As Shaq says ... We are on mission 1825!

18 ... (You know what that is)
2 .... 2nd title for the real Big 3
5 .... Shaq's 5th

OK LRob here is my next selection
http://tinyurl.com/4p5k622 _ I'm so into you - Leona Lewis

Nevertheless...

We have a serious point guard problem.

Derek's physical decline is, of course, inevitable and on display nearly every game (excepting the occasional throw-back game). No matter how hard he works out and how dedicated a player is, Father Time is undefeated. I'm less optimistic than you that Fisher can once again turn it on in the playoffs.

And unless the light bulb turns on for Blake, we have no solution to our point guard on our current roster.

And that's not the only reason we have a serious point guard problem.

The disadvantage of a complex offense like the triangle is that you can't just throw in another player, even a very talented one (e.g., Gary Payton) and expect great results.

This means that there probably is not a realistic solution outside of our current roster either.

We have a serious point guard problem.

Dude...One thing I've learned from posting on this blog, It's TRUE you're all Laker CHEERLEADERS. But you're the BEST squad on the NET, HANDS DOWN.

GO HEAT

As Shaq says ... We are on mission 1825!
18 ... (You know what that is)
2 .... 2nd title for the real Big 3
5 .... Shaq's 5th Posted by: 131-92 | January 17, 2011 at 11:37 AM
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The Swagger the Swagger go on with your bad self 131!! But the Lakers are also on a mission 1736
17...(You know what that is)
3..... The Lakers 3-Peat naturally
6..... Kobe and Fishers 6th title

131 - 92,

I think every fan in the nba wants to see that kid in their team's uniform. Clipper fans better enjoy him while they can.

Posted by: Laker Kev | January 17, 2011 at 11:24 AM

I agree. But who's gonna have the money and cap space to get him? Not the Lakers. Not the Heat. Not the Knicks. Not the Nets. Not the Magic.

I doubt he would go to a bad team, which eliminates 3/4 of the NBA. He would just stay with the Clips.

Plus Im sure he wouldnt mind playing with an unselfish PG like Rondo!

Dude...One thing I've learned from posting on this blog, It's TRUE you're all Laker CHEERLEADERS. But you're the BEST squad on the NET, HANDS DOWN. Posted by: G.money | January 17, 2011 at 11:46 AM
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LMAO!!! Preach G.Money, PREACH!!!!!

I want to see Nash in the Purple and Gold. I know he's old and it sounds crazy, but, the Suns are done and need to rebuild.

I think Nash is still one of the top 8 PGs in the League.

We're not going to get a young and up and coming PG this season to replace Fish, so why not roll the dice with a proven floor leader?

Yes, he is a liability on defense, but he can make a wide open jumper, which is sorely needed right now.

Troy,

You make some interesting points. I hadn't really looked at in the way that you described and I see what you mean.

It's too bad you want to move on as I enjoy posts such as one's you describe.
I like seeing both sides of the coin, I like the debates when they happen. I like seeing a little bit of an edge from both sides, not just from a pro-Laker everything is hunky-dory POV.

Too bad you won't be around to speak out for what you think, but maybe after a break you'll get reinvigorated.

i thnk griffin is another future bill LAMEbeer in the future.....too physical. LOL
forgot the lost, move on...clippers arent going to be close to playoffs...since when anyways?...hahhaa.....lakers have to be prepared for the upcoming schedule. pretty tough one with denver and utah and boston at end of month. YIKES!!!...we will see how our LAKERS can deal with these teams with .500

Plus Im sure he wouldnt mind playing with an unselfish PG like Rondo! Posted by: 131-92 | January 17, 2011 at 11:46 AM
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Oh yeah, sorry to hear that DRose pushed Rondo out of the starting lineup for the ASG. So I would suggest you watch out for those Baby Bulls>

"Repost and I don't even care.

KobeMVP888,

If you stay out in a lake fishing long enough you're bound to catch something. Fisher plays 30 plus minutes a game, hes bound to hit a shot sooner or later (what you call clutch).

Posted by: Magia32 | January 17, 2011 at 10:21 AM "

WOW. Brilliant analogy. There's probably no better way to describe what is going on here. When people are having to dig so deep to find morsels of quality play in Derek Fisher's games, there is an obvious problem.

I don't think anyone here has much of an issue with him being on the court late in the game to spot up for an open shot but he's not doing anything in those other 25-30 minutes. If Blake is capable of playing 35-40 minutes, there's no reason for him not to be out there. He was signed for 4 years, they do plan on having him take over the PG position EVENTUALLY right? Isn't now the best time to learn?

I want to see Nash in the Purple and Gold. I know he's old and it sounds crazy, but, the Suns are done and need to rebuild.


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NO COMPLAINTS HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nash always brings the Suns to Vancouver for a pre season game to give the city a little bit of basketball. I look forward to it every year.

MAN IF HE WAS A LAKER ID BE SO STOKED.

D Rose is another guy I would love to see on the Lakers one day. SO talented.

just wanna say that once kobe retires the Lakers will have a lot of salary free'd up ;)

Mclyne,

No Nash for the Lakers, he makes $10 mill this year, almost 12 mil next.

Mamba24- Dude...How in the HELL you think Fish going to turn it on in the PLAYOFFS? This guy is so DEEP in the TOILET he can't be extracted with an SNAKE. Just one BIG LOG, STINKING UP THE PLACE.

Oh yeah, sorry to hear that DRose pushed Rondo out of the starting lineup for the ASG. So I would suggest you watch out for those Baby Bulls>

Posted by: Mamba24 | January 17, 2011 at 11:51 AM

Rondo has bigger "fish" to fry! He wants to be in the starting lineup in June not for the ASG!

I suggest they worry about getting Boozer and Noah back. Boozer had a big game vs us last time but that aint happening with the big green baldheaded lunatic guarding him!

@Art
Yeah, I knew that was going to be a problem- probably why I didn't check out his salary numbers.

...How in the HELL you think Fish going to turn it on in the PLAYOFFS? This guy is so DEEP in the TOILET he can't be extracted with an SNAKE. Just one BIG LOG, STINKING UP THE PLACE. Posted by: G.money | January 17, 2011 at 11:59 AM
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Now see, now see, now you go and ruin it. You obviously are not one of us elite 27 Bloggers...ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!

@Mamba24....That was funny, you got the wrong King!!:-} A little humor never hurt anyone. I thought we were in the game until the end and then let up. This is their Championship......and they play WAY harder than we do to achieve the win. I honestly thought we held the next best thing to LaBron in check until the 4th quarter when we let up........Have to agree that Bynum gets No respect!!! Go Bears, Sack the Pack.

@131, Yeah the Bulls are a bit banged up at the moment, but I still contend when they get well they are the team - not Miami - that the the Celts better look out for. But I know your team can do it and make it to the Finals. And though the Lakers are struggling a little right now, they will be there waiting for the Celtics when the smoke clears. You know it may be my imagination but the lunatic seems a little more well behaved these days. Could it be Ron Ron gave him his Psychiatrists number? Lmao!!!!!

for all strong fisher supporter wake up and smell the coffee
fisher is wash up.

Hey NewMexicoLL, how are you? Yep we let another game slip away and yep Blake Griffin is the real deal. But tonight we face another real deal in Durant and I hope we learned from last night. As for the Pack...The Bears will totally destroy them. Urlacher, Briggs, Peppers!! That is one heck of a defense. Aaron Rogers only got a taste of what they can do 2 weeks ago. I think Superbowl here they come!!!

Mamba-

I like the Bulls. Hopefully we will be the 1 seed and play them in the 2nd round while Miami and Orlando beat each other up.

I just dont think the Bulls matchup well against us. I think they need another scorer. Where are they gonna get points when (not if) Boozer gets shut down by KG? Rose is great but he aint gonna beat us by himself. Couple of hard fouls each game by Shaq will take its toll!!

Point made 131, but the Bulls team is still much more balanced than Miami. Either way I've said this for 2 straight years, my money is on the Celtics coming out of the East.

Point made 131, but the Bulls team is still much more balanced than Miami. Either way I've said this for 2 straight years, my money is on the Celtics coming out of the East.

Posted by: Mamba24 | January 17, 2011 at 12:31 PM

I know it has. Ive given you props for it. Unlike the rest of Laker nation who still thinks we are too old and gives us no respect. But we are still here and aint going away!

Where's all the JCrit lovers, begging for him to come back and take Fish's spot?
I'd take our cast off draft pick Toney Douglas. The real answer for our other guard (not really a PG needed) would be Jamal Crawford.

Dear Fellow Lakerholics!
It is time for the truth to be shouted off of every roof top and village tower, Fisher is killing the team. 1. can't shoot (Brick city) 2. Has the speed of snail mail. 3. Looks for the screener at the elbow of the key to grab. 4. Breaks down entire defense and tries to hide! He's averaging 2.0 pts a game in the last 10, 11, ....games. If Phil doesn't do something about this disaster forget about 3PEAT!!!!!!!!!!!

@Mamba and 132-92

I too feel that the Celts will be back in the Finals this year. They looked too old last year and almost won it. Also, they have more big bodies down low this year.

I like the bulls, but Boozer is too small and doesn't come up big in the playoffs(see Utah).

Miami might make it to the ECF, but no further.

Orlando is looking pretty good, but they rely on too much outside shooting. Plus, they don't have decent big not named Howard.

131, did shaq think of 1825 all by himself? ha ha

so it seems like a lot of you Laker's fans are totally into the "what-have-you-done-for-me-lately", in your feelings for DFish. how soon you forget his "buzzer-beater" last month sent the clippers home crying. yes, he's not playing great lately, BUT what other guard on the Lakers is, BESIDES kobe. if brown and blake were tearing it up, they'd be in there at crunch time. DFish is an easy target 'cuz he went 1 - 8 yesterday. BUT, he wasn't alone. Ga-soft was 4 - 9, ron ron 3 - 10 and shannon was 3 - 9. also, the Lakers were outrebounded 50 - 45, with blake and jordan getting 15 apiece. where the Lakers lost the game because 1. they were outhustled and 2. they haven't been defending the 3! teams love to shoot the 3 against us. why don't we improve on that? remember, the Lakers had a 12 point lead in the 3rd quarter. again, DFish didn't have a great game, but there's no reason to keep banging on the guy. he didn't lose the game by himself......it was a concerted effort on all of the Lakers! 'nuf said.....now let's hope the Lakers show up tonight to get that horrible taste out of their mouth!!!!

Count me in as yet another one of Fisher detractor!

Fish is KILLING the team period! on both offense and defense. I saw the game against the Suns and could confirm how PATHETICALLY BAD a defender Fish has became.

Steve Blake is just an average defender and the High Pick n Roll successfully rub him out about 60% of the play. OTH the High Pick n Roll was 100% successful in taking Fish completely out of the play, leaving the Lakers to fend for themselves 4 - on - 5, EVERY single time.

UTTER STUPIDITY is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. That is Derek Fisher against the Pick n Roll!

At least Steve Blaker knows that he has to vary his approach, sometimes trying to fight through the pick, sometimes going over it and sometimes going under it. For sheer stupidity Fish ALWAYS predictably just tried to fight through the pick which was always ended in failure since he's always smaller than the pick.

It has been said before that no one PG can stop another NBA PG and that's true. It takes teamwork. However it DOES MATTER how much and how often and how hard (or easy) for the rest of the team to help out its PG. A PG that is so utterly and ridiculously easily broken down like Fish can put a toll on his team.

Last but not least SLOWNESS does count. Fish's slowness to recover from a Pick n Roll always leave his team short-handed against the opponents 4 against 5. That's what I'm talking about.

Somebody mentioned Fish's intangibles such as leadership beside stats? OK, he can do his intangibles from the BENCH. The bench is where Fish belongs nowaday so he does not KILL his own team every single game.


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