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Kevin Garnett's injury: Don't let the picture deceive you

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Despite the impression this photo may give, the Lakers did not beat up on the Celtics. The Lakers lost, 109-96, Sunday to Boston in every way imaginable, including undisciplined defense, a disappearing front line and little help to complement Kobe Bryant's 41 points.

Pau Gasol's inadvertent elbow to Kevin Garnett's head resulted in some streaming blood, five stitches and a conspicuous patch, but it didn't mean Gasol beat up on him. In fact, Gasol's passiveness and five-of-13 shooting harked back to his underwhelming performance and surrender to physical contact in the 2008 NBA Finals.

The Celtics (36-11) aren't the ones who look worn down. They look like serious championship contenders. Meanwhile, the Lakers (33-15) have plenty of areas they need to sharpen should they be fortunate enough to meet Boston in the NBA Finals, though they'd have to survive San Antonio (40-7) first.

-- Mark Medina

Photo: Celtics power forward Kevin Garnett walks to the bench after taking an inadvertent elbow from Lakers power forward Pau Gasol in the second quarter, Jan. 30, 2011. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times

 
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To quote, Le Debacle, "karma's a b*@%h." Shouldn't have cheap shoted Channing Frye... Should've signed the ball....

I am completely perplexed by this team... Artest, Gasol, and Luke. for Lawson 'Melo, and Nene. we need to get younger hungrier. and Meaner. I am tired of this team making KB24 the reason why they dont perform. he hit 41 on 50% shooting. folks need to step up and quit that whining. Lamar completely nutted up after his bad play. and our bench has regressed. this is the most frustrating championship team ever is Laker history... I love my team. but I am beginning to think that maybe, just maybe this team has peaked as constructed...

How do you win against a good team...when Artest and Fisher are a combined 2 for 14 ?

yea

what disturbs me the most is kobe has really been the only one to show up for the past two games. i don't get it? maybe instead of two hours practices stessing defense, they should watch game film of last years nba finals against the celtics, specifically games 1,3,6,7, of course all wins. maybe gasol, artest, odom, fisher etc, can say, gosh, "that was us last year nutting it up in to win the title". "i guess we can play defense and show a little heart too"! not that we lakers fans forget, BUT maybe the players need to realize they're the VERY SAME PLAYERS who won two titles in a row. the days of teams rolling over for L.A. are OVER! they need to come out each night with a PURPOSE, not steve martin's "special purpose" from the movie, "the jerk", BUT the L.A. Lakers purpose to be the best team in the nba!

Actually that was 2 of 16 for Fisher and Artest. And these 2 are definitely even worse that that on DEFENSE !!! And the Lakers as a TEAM had 10 assists !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To 34 for Boston. Is Phil ok with that ? Is he doing any coaching ? Are the players listening to him ? This team this season is an embarassment to Los Angeles...and an embarassment to the LAKER tradition.

It's effin La La Land, can't we give this team a brain job!? Transplant some monkey brains into it and see if we can't raise the intelligence a couple of notches. "Boohoo we're two time champs. It's so hard to find the motivation..." Jerry West was wrong, it ain't about age it's all about brains. These knuckledraggers haven't figured out s**t about what needs to be done to be a respectable team in three seasons. And is the verdict out on Ron Ron yet? No? Well let me tell you then: bust! (Loveable bust...) Ariza lose your agent and come home!

... they should watch game film of last years nba finals against the celtics...
Posted by: Lakeshowinphx
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Actually, they did.
In the 2+ hour practice before the Celts game they watched last years game 7.
Evidently they focused on the Celts folding instead of watching how they (the Lakers) took the game away from them.
They obviously didn't pay attention to the focus, positioning, rebounding and defense they played last year.

Sky is not falling.

PJ and Doc are two of the best at keeping their game plans close to the vest. I am happy letting the greenies take this one.

It's the first team the Lakers have faced this year with a stockpile of bigs. It's the first time AB has really had to do something in a very crowded post. Same with Pau. They will learn from this.

Let's look at this like a boxing match:

Round 1 goes to stupid greenies.
Round 2 is Feb. 10 in beantown.

But rounds 3-10 are what really count and that's what this Laker team is training for.

My money is still on the Lakers and just like boxing, the first two rounds are all about positioning, jostling, etc. Round 3 you land a good punch.

PJ doesn't need to give away any good punches in the first two rounds, he makes his statements in round 3: His record: 48-0.

Who else is with me on this?

Cheers - PLG

My money is still on the Lakers and just like boxing, the first two rounds are all about positioning, jostling, etc. Round 3 you land a good punch.

Posted by: PsychedLakerGirl | January 31, 2011 at 12:48 PM

Unless you run into Mike Tyson (2008 Celtics) and get your ass beat down like a government mule.

The team has lost it's identity and has played with absolutely no fluidity all season. Our first team is soooo slow and old, and our bench is just as old

Our bench currently is Lamar 31 Blake 30 Luke 30 Shannon 25 or whatever
I believe Barnes is 30 too.

We're older than the Celtics!

The team is flat-lining right now and there is no desire

To me, this team seems more dysfunctional, confused, lazy, whatever
than it's been since Gasol arrived.
If they don't win a ring this year i wouldn't be surprised because i realize now how hard it really is for a team to repeat let alone win three straight.

In other news the apocalypse is near

Don't let your man get by you.
Every loose ball should be yours.
Fight OVER the screen, not UNDER it.
Establish your post game, then work the perimeter.
Never allow back door cuts resulting in easy scores.
Stand your ground in the paint.
Everyone touches the ball before a basket is made.

D-E-F-E-N-S-E

Learn it. Love it. Live it.

Larry O'Brien, here we come.


DBDH!

Unless you run into Mike Tyson (2008 Celtics) and get your ass beat down like a government mule.

Posted by: sean | January 31, 2011 at 12:52 PM

...and this 2010-11 Celtics team is playing just as good if not BETTER than that 2007-08 team

Funny you should stay stupid greenie

Rounds 3-10 would be 8 games. But otherwise you do have a good point.

This is just a regular game, and the Lakers still have the 2nd best record in the West.

If both teams make it to the finals it should be a great series.

Guys just admit it that your run is over. We will get back what was "taken" away from us last June. It's ours to take and we getting it.

@MM...you wrote...

"In fact, Gasol's passiveness and five-of-13 shooting harked back to his underwhelming performance and surrender to physical contact in the 2008 NBA Finals."

I think you're being just a little hard on Gasol here. Surrender? He was victimized by some extremely poor refereeing in that 2008 series. The Celtic bigs got away with murder in that Finals.

DBDH: Thanks for the timely reminders of what our Lake Show needs to focus on in order to win.

PLG: I'm with you 100%.

Art: Actually, the Lakers watched Game 6 film. That was the game in which they absolutely DOMINATED the Celtics on both ends of the floor. It was the most lopsided game of the series, and it came with the Lakers' collective backs against the wall. What they need to do now is watch film of yesterday's loss, get back to the drawing board, work out the defensive adjustments in practice, and focus on playing team defense.

J West: Bro. Do you remember what Artest and Fish did in that series last year? Every team -- and its team players -- goes through a slump at some point in the season. When the playoffs roll around, Artest will be SCARY on defense. Fisher will hit big shots like he's been doing his whole career. The half-court set allows for this, and that's what the playoffs are all about.

We don't need trades. We don't need drastic changes. We just need to keep getting better, to keep revisiting the defensive scheme and making the proper adjustments. Oh, and a win against San Antonio would be nice, too.

Go Lake Show!

@PLG...

Agreed that PJ has some more tricks up his sleeve. Phil knows how to prepare his teams for a playoff series. He's been known to win a series or two!

Guys just admit it that your run is over. We will get back what was "taken" away from us last June. It's ours to take and we getting it.

Posted by: 131-92 | January 31, 2011 at 01:01 PM

2011 ECF Boston Celtics v. Chicago Bulls

a younger Joakim Noah makes the difference

Chicago in 7.

you know..., i really want the lakers to win this thing this year,BUT there is this thing called reality, and the reality i saw yesterday was indicating that the celtics are playing the way that kobe and the crew played after '08.So,there are still some things that may be done. a trade, but what GM in his right mind is going to willingly assist to make the lakers stronger!? remember, the celtics think this is THEIR title and they want it back!

i would LOVE to here that pau and drew got into a fight during practice,something! anything! to indicate that they care about this as much as we do!

We getting ours back, "You can take that to the bank."

The celtics are the best they've been since 08. They might even be playing better since Rondo has established himself as a superstar point guard in the past couple of years. With Perkins coming back and KG almost back to normal we will be unbeatable in the playoffs. The Lakers cant handle us neither can the Heat. Only tough team in the West is obviously the Spurs and we beat them in our first matchup. Lakers are dieing down and once Kobe retires The L.A Lakers will start there well deserved years of drought. Go Celtics Unbuntu

J West: Bro. Do you remember what Artest and Fish did in that series last year? Every team -- and its team players -- goes through a slump at some point in the season. When the playoffs roll around, Artest will be SCARY on defense. Fisher will hit big shots like he's been doing his whole career. The half-court set allows for this, and that's what the playoffs are all about.

Season long slump for the Lakers, Artest and Fisher. That is not the definition of a slump. Bro !!!

We getting ours back, "You can take that to the bank."

Posted by: 131-92 | January 31, 2011 at 01:11 PM

2011 ECF Boston Celtics v. Chicago Bulls

a younger Joakim Noah makes the difference

Chicago in 7.

This should be officially a Celtics blog since there are more Celtics fans here and even more Lakers haters. You bet believe we getting ours back.

You know what I really liked about this game? The fact that we only took 9 shots from 3pt land and connecting on over 44% of those attempts. That's a huge step in the right direction led by #24 who was relentless at attacking the rim. 5 of his 29 attempts were from 3pt land and he connected on 3 of those shots.

Meanwhile, back at the farm, Luke, Fish & Artest were a combined 2-17 so where were our "bigs" for those offensive rebounds? Yep, Defense was lacking big time for the team. C's shot over 60% and a hair below 53% from 3pt range. We got clobbered on the defensive end of rebounds by a whopping 34-20 edge and total for the game was a ridiculous 43-30, advantage Celtics.

The Lakers wanted this game and I believe this was their best effort which obviously wasn't good enough. But in a series, every team is likely to have a bad game and since we're just beginning the month of February, this team still has time to get its act together. It's been done before but of course, it's not a guarantee that they will do it again and if the team is thinking that way - KOBE excluded of course - then the coaching staff will have to pull those players' heads out of their collective "arses" in order to see daylight again.

We all saw what happened during the eternal ISO plays. It's not up to Kobe to get them the ball unless they DEMAND it via their play on the court and not vocally on the bench or in the media. I don't want to hear these guys talk about getting more touches or that they need more ball movement. We need more PLAYER movement on the court instead of them standing there and ALLOWING Kobe to do all the work. In fact, if you're going to go that route and you know the ball will eventually be going toward the basket, then at least collect those offensive rebounds for easy "put-backs!"

As fans, we have to trust the coaching staff and the FO because if we can see the faults from our "lowly" fan vantage point, imagine what the experts can see and they're in a position to do something about it. At this stage of the season, we're just a playoff caliber team but in no way a championship squad. Not yet, but we've got the best player, coach and owner in the NBA with time still on their side. Be angry, be concerned but don't throw in the towel just yet because it "ain't over until it's over" and that time doesn't begin until April.

I'm unhappy with the team thus far but I haven't counted them out just yet. Yesterday's game was a "gauger" and now the team completely understands where they stand at this stage of the season. There's work to be done and get done it will.

Reports are that Bynum was experiencing some pain/discomfort in his left knee - did you see Gary V on the sideline with him yesterday with Drew pointing at his left knee? Drew was aware of the fact that the cameras were on him and he didn't want to chat with Gary at that time about it. Now that worries me. If it's true, then that left knee has been compensating for his surgically repaired right knee. FO has to get working on trying to fortify the 5 and not rely on Pau because he's simply not up to the task.

Ahhh... the thrill of the "practice season!" That's what the regular season is all about: Prepping and positioning for the playoffs. Hats off to the Celtics who have made it clear that they are in a position today to win it all and if the Finals were tomorrow, it would be the Celts over the Spurs. But that's "IF" they were tomorrow. Hang on Lakers, you can do it!

GO LAKERS & IN BUSS WE TRUST!!

Still early, folks. The Packers lost 3 games to non-playoff teams in 2010, including back-to-back losses to the Redskins and Dolphins. Whover wrote them off at that point looks awfully foolish now.

Last year, the C's went through a horrible slump to end the season and were written off, for the most part. No one gave them a chance to roll CLE and ORL without HCA. They did it and nearly took another title in LA.

LA's slumping, they're not responding well to being the hunted, and they're shorter-handed than they anticipated with Ratliff and Barnes out. But it's not even Groundhog Day.

Laker fans should give BOS their propers for finishing the game strong yesterday and hitting big shots. Then, they should calm themselves.

LA's slumping, they're not responding well to being the hunted, and they're shorter-handed than they anticipated with Ratliff and Barnes out. But it's not even Groundhog Day.

Posted by: Peace | January 31, 2011 at 01:18 PM

Fair minded, succinct, to the heart of the matter points. Analogies are sound, there's a nice level of realism and patience.

Dude...please, don't mention Theo Ratliff, OMG, how painfully ironic is that Drew returned to form before the Minerals man, lol, it's been what... 8 weeks and he's still not back fully, thank the lord it was only the vet's min.

You know folks this ISH is getting way out of hand when phrases like be a good boy and remain tame are thrown around. Let's just take a step back and agree to disagree.
Pleasssssssssssse?

Posted by: mamba24 | January 31, 2011 at 12:32 PM
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Mamba

You know exactly what I meant. If my frankness offended you for some reason, I withdraw them in words only, but not in the context in which I mean them. Artest's head is clearly elsewhere this season, whereas last season he was a coachable player. He can regain that focus. The term "agree to disagree" is thrown around a lot more in here than any criticism of Ron Artest as a person. It's funny how world class acts like Pau Gasol and Derek Fisher .. who have done NOTHING but bring this ballclub success since the 2007-08 season .. get smacked around in here like a pinata, but Ron Artest is off limits because he claims to have some sort of mental illness. I'm sorry if I don't sympathize with him as much as I probably should. All I'm saying is that his job is to play basketball for the Lakers and to do what the coaching staff asks of him. This season, his head has been elsewhere and it was evident more so yesterday than at any time prior to yesterday's game. With Pau, it's more physical and mental fatigue from the accumulation of basketball he has played for 4 seasons with his slender 7 foot frame, so he gets a pass from me. Artest has no excuses.

Okay, THAT will be the last time I raise this issue, but I have such great respect for you that I felt I owed you a further explanation. It's okay for everyone to offer their opinions on Andrew Bynum's off the court work ethic and otherwise, so I figured this was fair game, too. I guess not.

@Peace...

I think another aspect of the Laker struggles can be attributed to the hesitancy of Brown and Blake. This is basically the first time for them as key components on a team with championship aspirations. They have a bit of "fear of failure" in their games right now. They both need to show more consistency and better play.

131-92, a few things,ah IT'S FEBRUARY dude!! you can predict events 4-5 months from now? great go to vegas and make a lot of money. the thing WAS your's, now it's ours and we are going to keep it!! what you are reading in these posts is a certain panic,which is understandable if not acceptable, myself included.but i think we are all going to THANK the celtics for lighting a fire under the lakers. i believe we will know more about the laker'learning curve in ten days hence

sean: many thanks.

I don't regard Ratliff like the C's seem to regard a role player like Perkins, as THE difference-maker for a title (and a ready-made excuse for losing last year).

But I do think he could give them some quality rebounding and shot blocking. I think getting him for the vet's min was a great acquisition. He's a backup C and whatever he can contribute will improve the team as it is today.

bronxlakerfan, hey what part of the bronx? i lived near burke ave, near the park

Last thing KG remembers before the bleeding started was hearing some Laker asking him, "Where you from?".

In 10 days, the Celts might "showcase" a different set of 7-footers {Jermaine O`Neal and Semih Erden} against LA. Delonte West will be coming back soon as well.

Jackson will go out just as Riley did in 1990...a second round elimination!

but i think we are all going to THANK the celtics for lighting a fire under the lakers. i believe we will know more about the laker'learning curve in ten days hence

Posted by: lance from da' bronx | January 31, 2011 at 01:28 PM

That's a good attitude to have as a fan, no doubt.

Life is thickly sown with thorns, and I know no other remedy than to pass quickly through them. The longer we dwell on our misfortunes, the greater is their power to harm us. ~Voltaire

I'm not a dude!! lance, I'm a dudette! Your denial is not my fault. How many great teams have the Lakers beat this year? I don't consider the Hornets to be good or even consistent and most likely the former Lakers on their team probably threw the games because their still Laker fans. Time to smell yourself and see that your ship has sailed.

@Mamba – I guess we’re musically in sync as usual. Just don’t start going for no 4peat…lol.

@PLG – I like you approach on rds 3-10.

@MVP – Everything is fair game. You stated your case and people responded that’s what we do here. People do that with Bynum, Fish, Kobe, etc. We don’t all have to agree.

@Art/Mclyne - Nice song selection for Kobe. I’ll stick with Petty and even bring a long a few friends and send this one out on Pau’s behalf. He’s struggling right now…but I wouldn’t give up on him. I think he’ll bounce back. You just don’t break up the core of a team that’s been to 3 straight finals mid-stream. The Lakers almost made that mistake in the mid-80’s by trading Worthy and B. Scott for Mark Aguirre and Ro Blackman. It could’ve cost them the back to back in 87-88.

Traveling Wilburys – Handle With Care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8s9dmuAKvU

How many great teams have the Lakers beat this year?

Posted by: 131-92 | January 31, 2011 at 01:37 PM


How many playoff series have the Lakers played in this season?

OOh, 888 will be proud of me for that one.

Laker fan-

Someone else is using my handle!! Just so you know!

Lance...
Right outside of Co-op city.

131-92, sorry my mistake. it's too bad that NONE of us KNOWS what is going to happen. so if i was a betting man,i would have to see the celtics as favorites. BUT since i am not i have seen great second half season turn arounds. this is after all a long season. so the best i can say is enjoy the celtics game,they are playing great ball!

131-92 time to SMELL YOURSELF???

@Mamba – I guess we’re musically in sync as usual. Just don’t start going for no 4peat…lol.Posted by: LRob | January 31, 2011 at 01:38 PM
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OH SWEET JESUS!!! NO, NO, NO!!!! Stop it LRob don't hurt me!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT...If I was to divorce again that would be a double 3-Peat!!! THE HORROR!! Just playing folks, Mamba24 plans to live happily ever after with his 3-peat!!! Lol!

@HOBBITMAGE... “my response: According to what you have written, no player is responsible
for their own lack of hustle. Kobe is responsible for them not hustling, not being in position to rebound, & not being in the right position to receive a pass.” That is a ridiculous interpretation of what I said. Come on, hobbit, I never said that and for you to make such a statement is unfair. This is the type of misrepresentation that led to all of the problems we had in the past. Think about it. You deliberately misinterpreted my comments and then recast them in your words. That is ingenuous.
...
“my response: interesting words. Does this make you a Pau-basher? Some people might compare the careers of Pau & Bynum and substitute Bynum in your proposed trade. Not me, but people I know.”
Did you watch the game, hobbit? Did you read the box score. Drew outscored the Celtics centers 11-2 on 3-6 shooting. His +/- for the game was -2 compared to -20 for Pau. I saw Andrew struggle to have a good game but he at least held his own, which you can’t say for Pau, Ron, Fish, or Blake. Or wait, I guess in your world you can say that. Drew did not have a good game but he didn’t stink it up like Pau. As for being a Pau basher, I would say at this point that is a fair description. As much as I hate to bash on a Lakers player, I have frankly lost all confidence in Pau Gasol to play tough.
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TOM

bronxlakerfan ,my parents lived in co-op city . then they retired and had to move to florida, some city rule.

Outlaw,

My bad, thanks for the correction.


LRob,

Good choice I guess, I almost went with Petty's Free Falling for him and the team but left it alone.

Life is thickly sown with thorns, and I know no other remedy than to pass quickly through them. The longer we dwell on our misfortunes, the greater is their power to harm us. ~Voltaire Posted by: sean | January 31, 2011 at 01:36 PM
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Cool!!!
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Jackson will go out just as Riley did in 1990...a second round elimination!
Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | January 31, 2011 at 01:35 PM
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He may well do that, but so long as he does not go out like a Punk I will salute him and the entire Laker team and organization for all the joy and thrills they have given me during my adult life Red. As I am sure you do for your team sir.


Lance...

I hear ya! It's a small world and Laker Nation covers all of it!

What's up with Ballhog Bryant jacking up 30 shots; 10 consecutive at one stretch?

Guys... Can any one any one give me the W/L record from last year vs. this year? Because i do believe last year we got destroy by cavs on christmas then lost to boston at home as well... Please remind me if i'm wrong... Last year at the same time people are still fuming over the bad losses with the cavs and stupid losses over inferior team but can any one provide me the record at this same time last year to this year? The only thing that is different to my opinion from last year to this year is that the SPURS are playing a hell of a lot better basketball than they were last year... but to me everything is fine the way that it is. If this were to happen in the playoffs then yeah fume over it but is not we're not even at the all star break yet guys... That's all i'm saying...

@KobeMVP888, my apologies sir. As I said you are indeed one of my favorites and this was not an attempt to "gang up on you" by me. I hesitated in even posting what I did and in hindsight i'm sorry I did. Once again my deepest apology to you my brother.

No more K-bros?

What I would like to do is sit back and let the Heat and Celts fan have it. Rules are only one team gonna be coming from the East. Is it gonna be you Heat or you Celts??

Guys... Can any one any one give me the W/L record from last year vs. this year? Because i do believe last year we got destroy by cavs on christmas then lost to boston at home as well... Please remind me if i'm wrong... Last year at the same time people are still fuming over the bad losses with the cavs and stupid losses over inferior team but can any one provide me the record at this same time last year to this year? The only thing that is different to my opinion from last year to this year is that the SPURS are playing a hell of a lot better basketball than they were last year... but to me everything is fine the way that it is. If this were to happen in the playoffs then yeah fume over it but is not we're not even at the all star break yet guys... That's all i'm saying...

Posted by: Mike N | January 31, 2011 at 02:05 PM

At this point last year, we were 37-11, 4 games better than this year's mark. Not bad, big picture wise.

The train the Kobe shoots too much has left the station already. He shot 52% yesterday, the rest of the team 38%. D-Wade had 22 shots, Durant 20 (low for him) and Westbrook 22. They shoot too much! Sometimes LeBron does too. These guys have to stop it, as Mamaba24 says, "stop it now!"

What I would like to do is sit back and let the Heat and Celts fan have it. Rules are only one team gonna be coming from the East. Is it gonna be you Heat or you Celts??

Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | January 31, 2011 at 02:10 PM

DJ, the Chicago Bulls aren't even a player, damn, man, disrespecting Thibs.

The Boston Celtics will miss Thibs in the playoffs, especially if they play the Bulls.

And Judging from how Kobe got to rim at a torrid pace, they might miss him if the Celtics and Lakers meet in the Finals.

Mamba24,

Congrats!
I wish you and your "serial spouse" the best of everything!

Mike N....

They were 37-11 last year with game # 48 coming at Boston... A Kobe game winner in the final seconds.

KL_Beast,

"What's up with Ballhog Bryant jacking up 30 shots; 10 consecutive at one stretch?"

That's because no one else wanted the ball. If it wasn't for Kobe we would have lost by 25.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

sean,

As Steve Martin says, "excuse me!" You are correct that if healthy, yes, Bulls could challenge as well as the Magic.

Jon K,

You have correctly sir!

Wow - a KL_Beast sighting.... good to see you posting again.

Yeah - K-Bros split awhile ago for greener (pun intended) pastures at BSPN.... Now we have Mark Medina - who does a pretty great job.

See you around!


sup everyone....

I'm understanding the anxiety of some posters, but not the vitriol between family members. Jeez. You'd think we just lost a playoff game or something.

On another note, do the Heat or the Celts have a Blog? I don't need to know where, don't have time to waste on them, but just wondered?

Mamba24, Congrats! I wish you and your "serial spouse" the best of everything! Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | January 31, 2011 at 02:15 PM
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Gee Red, *sniff* *sniff* Thannnnnks...I think! Lol! Thank you sir much appreciated it!

Justa,

Always popping up with THE reasonable comment!

LakerTom,

you wrote: That is a ridiculous interpretation of what I said. Come on, hobbit, I never said that and for you to make such a statement is unfair. This is the type of misrepresentation that led to all of the problems we had in the past. Think about it. You deliberately misinterpreted my comments and then recast them in your words. That is ingenuous.

my response: Actually, that is exactly what you said which is why I gave it
back to you. Here's an idea. Why don't you ask another blogger what their
interpretation of what you wrote actually is?

I want to be clear about this. Your speech pattern is easy for *me* to
misunderstand. You've said things in the past or chosen to respond to some
things and not other things in the past which make these misunderstandings
continual. For *that* reason, I'm re-quoting you and making sure that there
are no misunderstandings.

Let me give you an example:

I clearly wrote: Help me understand your point of view. Phil Jackson is saying that the rest of the Lakers were passive and didn't run the offense. You're blaming the passiveness of the rest of the Lakers on Kobe? Or are you disagreeing with Phil and saying that it wasn't the rest of the
Lakers being passive ... it was actually Kobe waving everybody off?”

you response to this was:
I don’t agree with Phil’s comments. I also don’t think that Phil really liked how Kobe played last night.

So my question to you is: If Phil thinks that everybody else was passive and
you disagree with Phil then how are you not blaming Kobe for everyone else's
lack of Hustle?

You & Phil can't both be right at the same time. Phil *clearly* blamed the
rest of Kobe's teammates. You *clearly* blamed Kobe for not getting the rest
of the team involved.

please see: http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2011/01/phil-jackson-kobe-bryant-ron-artest-pau-gasol-lamar-odom-and-derek-fisher-discuss-lakers-109-96-loss.html

to review your own words.


sean,

As Steve Martin says, "excuse me!" You are correct that if healthy, yes, Bulls could challenge as well as the Magic.

Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | January 31, 2011 at 02:20 PM

Glad you feel that the Bulls are valid contenders.

I like their length against Boston.

Plus, if KG wants to get dirty, Kurt Thomas and Noah will only be glad to oblige. I think Boston has met their match, and it's not the Heat, it's the BULLS!

The train the Kobe shoots too much has left the station already. He shot 52% yesterday, the rest of the team 38%. D-Wade had 22 shots, Durant 20 (low for him) and Westbrook 22. They shoot too much! Sometimes LeBron does too. These guys have to stop it, as Mamaba24 says, "stop it now!"

Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | January 31, 2011 at 02:14 PM

Well said, DJ!! I'm sure Kobe would rather have the WIN than a high scoring night. Yesterday, Kobe had to score...nobody else was. When it got within 4 points in the 4th Q., no other Laker stepped up.

Ok so we was 4 games better last year than this year. But do you guys know what i mean? Yes it was a bad loss but still we're not even at the break and people are jumping off the wagon. That's ridiculous, keep in mind artest and fisher are doing the exact thing they doing this year until the play off comes... Am i wrong again?

I'm understanding the anxiety of some posters, but not the vitriol between family members. Jeez. You'd think we just lost a playoff game or something.

Posted by: justanothermambafan | January 31, 2011 at 02:21 PM

It's something about those Green Jerseys, that make us go crazy Justa. I hate them, I don't hate anything, but, I hate those green Jerseys, and the crappy music those lame ass Mass listen to.

I am officially embarrassed,

I got called out by a L. Bird lover,

Oh, how the mighty have fallen!

I expect Kobe to jack up 30+ shots the next game and the next and the next!

Get it, do something to help the team or Kobe will have to dominate by himself, again!

Watch-out 81 points, your in trouble if Ron, Paul, and Fish keep this up!

Kobe
Now, Tomorrow, and, Forever,

BandWagon!!!

Mr. Laker, you are on a Roll today sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Guys... Can any one any one give me the W/L record from last year vs. this year? Because i do believe last year we got destroy by cavs on christmas then lost to boston at home as well... Please remind me if i'm wrong... Last year at the same time people are still fuming over the bad losses with the cavs and stupid losses over inferior team but can any one provide me the record at this same time last year to this year? The only thing that is different to my opinion from last year to this year is that the SPURS are playing a hell of a lot better basketball than they were last year... but to me everything is fine the way that it is. If this were to happen in the playoffs then yeah fume over it but is not we're not even at the all star break yet guys... That's all i'm saying...

Posted by: Mike N | January 31, 2011 at 02:05 PM "

A lot of the same things were happening last year but Kobe had his finger woes and some other assorted injuries and that was mostly what it was blamed on. Even so, the Lakers would have easily had 60 wins if they didn't coast the last several weeks of the season knowing they already had HCA for the west and wouldn't be able to catch the Cavs in the east. Turns out it didn't matter.

They are about to enter into a rough month of February where they'll have to play pretty well to win even 50% of the games. There are only a few gimmes this month, and I don't really know if it's safe to call any game a gimme at this point.

They are not where they were last year but if they get everything sorted out in the next few months it won't really matter. The Lakers have cost themselves a lot of ground in the HCA race with some of their head scratching losses this year and it'll be tough to make that up with the difficult schedule that lies ahead.

LOL sean - I hate 'em too. Everyone just needs to keep things in perspective. It's ok to lose a battle, because we've got a war to win. Ya know?

LakerTom,

you also wrote: Did you watch the game, hobbit? Did you read the box score. Drew outscored the Celtics centers 11-2 on 3-6 shooting. His +/- for the game was -2 compared to -20 for Pau. I saw Andrew struggle to have a good game but he at least held his own

my response: Yep, I watched the game. Yep, I recorded the game. Yep,
I'm going to watch the game again. You seem to be confused about something.
You seem to confuse having a *horrible* game [ Artest, Pau, D-Fish ] with
having a sub par game. Those two statements are actually not equal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310130013

The Celtics had 43 pts in the paint that were not off of the fastbreak. i.e. 48 - 5.
Per your early words ... Bynum is supposed to be a defensive presence in
the paint and alters shots. [ remember a multitude of discussions where I
would talk about blocked shots and you and KobeMVP888 would come back
with altered shots, which aren't recorded. ]

The Lakers had 23 pts in the paint. How is this *NOT* a sub par game for
Bynum regardless of Pau's play? Please address your answer in light of
Bynum's youth, weight, height & training under Kareem.

"If this were to happen in the playoffs then yeah fume over it but is not we're not even at the all star break yet guys... That's all i'm saying..."

Posted by: Mike N | January 31, 2011 at 02:05 PM
_______________________

$h!t... that's all that needs to be said and as far as Kobe shooting too much, I say the rest of the team just has to SHOOT BETTER!

We'll be there in April where "Amazing Happens!"

@RED's LOVE CHILD
"In 10 days, the Celts might "showcase" a different set of 7-footers {Jermaine O`Neal and Semih Erden} against LA. Delonte West will be coming back soon as well."

Oh no, how can we compete with a slower than molasses and washed up Jermaine O'Neal as well as the superstar Semih Erden?
As for the nutty West, he can still ball, if his mind is having a good day.

$h!t... that's all that needs to be said and as far as Kobe shooting too much, I say the rest of the team just has to SHOOT BETTER! We'll be there in April where "Amazing Happens!" Posted by: frmkt | January 31, 2011 at 02:36 PM
*
Yes, Yes, Hell Yes!!!! NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!Preah frmkt Preach!!!!!!!!

B2LA... i agreed that the west are so much more dangerous this season vs last. But the point of the matter is we are about the same this year vs last given that the west is tougher this year. And we already saw what this team is capable of doing i.e. the jazz game... we're not even at the break yet... i knew every media outlet out there is gonna ridicule the team especially right after JW's comment, but c'mon as fans don't we suppose to support the team through tough stretches as well? I personally think that the team is fine, maybe a few tweaks to their D and we will be back in the playoff and will destroy any1 that stand in our way of getting 17...

They are not where they were last year but if they get everything sorted out in the next few months it won't really matter. The Lakers have cost themselves a lot of ground in the HCA race with some of their head scratching losses this year and it'll be tough to make that up with the difficult schedule that lies ahead.


Posted by: Bay to LA | January 31, 2011 at 02:33 PM

On flip side, we're the #2 seed, with Dallas having 2 games on us. If we want the #2 or #3 seed, we have to sweep the last two games against Dallas. Every other team has more losses than we do, including OKC, who we've already beaten, NOLA twice, if we beat the teams that are chasing us, it helps create separation. I really hope the coaching staff is conscious, of these things.

repost as fast as I can find the latest blog entry!!!


LakerTom: Peace. & I agree that something is very wrong with Pau. Unless he is suffering from mono or similar then he is pouting/depressed and it is affecting the team drastically. Trade - who knows, but I have been blogging for a nasty banging big for months now, also, however we get it done. Kobe can score & assist enough if he has people breaking to an open spot who can put a shot in the basket. We need a Kevin Love type who can bang and get his own on putbacks/STRONG tipins and such. Pau has turned back into that weak sister we picked on as kids and the whole NBA knows it, which is worse!


"AW HELL YEAH!!!
RCOTD = JON K. = OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!!!!! KUDOS!!!

Posted by: mmaba24 | January 31, 2011 at 09:34 AM "


DITTO!

It's ok to lose a battle, because we've got a war to win. Ya know? Posted by: justanothermambafan | January 31, 2011 at 02:35 PM
*
And I know justa the person to lead the Army!! How are you justanothermambafan? Did I ever tell you that when you hurt The mamba Clan hurts? Lol! Good to see you back...Carry On!

It's ok to lose a battle, because we've got a war to win. Ya know? Posted by: justanothermambafan | January 31, 2011 at 02:35 PM
*
I know, it's a long way to the Mountain Top, lot's of work left.

The Lakers are the champions in name only these days, and it wasn't just the improved Celtics shoving them aside Sunday that tells us that.

The Miami Heat and San Antonio Spurs, and the Dallas Mavericks did the same thing last month, the Lakers unable or unwilling to keep up with either team in a pair of double-digit losses.

"We're not playing very well against these top teams," Bryant said. "So we need to elevate our level and we need to get better if we're to defend our throne."

That seems like a long shot at this point.

The champs can plead their case all they want, tell us they have plenty of time to get their act together and be ready to roll when the playoffs arrive more than two months from now.

But it's hard to take them at their word when they've failed every test thus far to prove they can defend their title. This Lakers team is just talk right now with nothing to prove base on their record against contending and elite teams. They're just a bunch of cocky players who thinks that they can push the switch to "on" come playoff time. I don't think they can even beat the Spurs without HCA much more beating the Celtics, Heat, Magic or even the Bulls in a 2-3-2 format without home court advantage.

To all my fellow Laker Lovers, and to all the “I have no life” need to post on the Laker blog Celtic aficionados, just take a deep breath and relax. Seems to me the Celtics got punked quite a bit during the regular season last year, but still rose to the occasion and made it to the finals. As for our current plight, I have no fear, if the Laker Bigz stay healthy we are right back in the finals to hand PJ his final NBA Championship trophy. No way he goes out without it. So Boston go buy so more fuel oil or coal to warm your homes, Laker fans will be at the beach chillin.

That seems like a long shot at this point.

Posted by: rudy a. | January 31, 2011 at 02:49 PM

What Empirical evidence have you found that proves your statement?

2009 when the Lakers beat Houston in 7 games
or Denver who we beat in 6 games
or Magic who we beat in 5 games.

2010 when Lakers beat OKC in 6 games
or PHX in 6 games
or Celtics in 7 games.

Look, the crap, you're spitting, maybe it would go over other blogs, you WALKED INTO THE JUNGLE. Now, go back, find some whack evidence to prove your flawed hypothesis.

You think you're the only one spitting nonsense about the Lakers and their track record.

Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.
-Marcus Aurelius

Peace out.

"B2LA... i agreed that the west are so much more dangerous this season vs last. But the point of the matter is we are about the same this year vs last given that the west is tougher this year. And we already saw what this team is capable of doing i.e. the jazz game... we're not even at the break yet... i knew every media outlet out there is gonna ridicule the team especially right after JW's comment, but c'mon as fans don't we suppose to support the team through tough stretches as well? I personally think that the team is fine, maybe a few tweaks to their D and we will be back in the playoff and will destroy any1 that stand in our way of getting 17...

Posted by: Mike N | January 31, 2011 at 02:42 PM"

I don't think anyone is giving up yet, but it's over half way through the season now and they're hitting the rough part of their schedule. It could very well start looking worse before it starts looking better. I don't think they can afford to wait until April to start making corrections.

@Rudy, I couldn't agree with you more. We haven't beaten a good team all year. The Celtics made it to the finals last year after a dissapointing regular season but the Celtics are much stronger both mentally and physically than we are. Without the Perkins injury and some questional 4th quarter calls, I dont think we would have even beaten them last year. We really need to get back on track or we won't even defend our Title.

PAU is the PROBLEM!!! He's passive, weak, lacks passion and heart, and plays like a small-forward. Last year we were able to cover-up his passive play with a strong and determined Kobe and inspiring play by Bynum, and tough play by Artest. Those guys have taken a step back for reasons we can understand (Kobe and Bynums surgeries, Artest fragile mental state) and Pau is scared to step up. He has taken two steps back this year and needs to be traded.

Pau and Artest for:

Deng and Noah
David West and Ariza
Carmello and Nene
Dwight Howard
Favvors, Vujacic, Lopez
Bogut, Maggette

Jon K, I was at the game "the guys" were taken out of the game by kobe hoggin it up. do you know how many assist kobe had yesterday? as many as me...LOL

Marcus Aurelius,
Yes I walked into the jungle (where you belong) and found you, with your animalistic and egoistic thought on people who just want to share their opinion on this blog.

This is the voice of reason

chill the fudge out


it was a crappy performance by the lakers but the whole game screamed of lack of mental preparation. I mean did anyone see the switch so pau gasol ended up marking rondo? that reminded me of game 7 where the looosing celtics ended up having rondo matched up with gasol going for a rebound hahahhah guess who got the ball

@TPeso29
there is no way the Nuggets would ever make that deal. Lawson is their point guard of the future and has already shown he can handle that responsibility and while the Nuggets do want to get something back instead of losing 'Melo and Nene they wouldn't give them up for Artest and Luke Walton. I'm surprised Walton is still in the league, he doesn't do anything particularly well and hasn't really had an effective career.

@TPeso29
there is no way the Nuggets would ever make that deal. Lawson is their point guard of the future and has already shown he can handle that responsibility and while the Nuggets do want to get something back instead of losing 'Melo and Nene they wouldn't give them up for Artest and Luke Walton. I'm surprised Walton is still in the league, he doesn't do anything particularly well and hasn't really had an effective career.

www.wildandrondoful.wordpress.com

As much as most of us are frustrating with this team, I'm willing to just sit back and wait until after the playoff to see how team performs. We all thought before the playoff last year that this team was gonna be eliminated in the playoff because they didn't play well the last month before the playoff. But somehow, they managed to put it together for back to back championship. So, let's just wait.

KG: Man, I just saw the trailer to Adam Sandler's new movie and it was so funny I cracked open my skull!

i just read andyL's comment which was pretty blatantly racist. not sure what championship series you watched last year but ariza is gone and ron is and will be a laker. turn the page.


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