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Lakers vs. Grizzlies: Fans lose patience with sleepwalking champs

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Grizzlies 104, Lakers 85 (final)

Sure, the Lakers have won the last two NBA titles. But for the sellout crowd at Staples Center on Sunday, it was strictly a case of "What have you done for us lately?"

And judging from the crowd's reaction, the answer was "not much."

Even a blistering third quarter by Kobe Bryant, who scored 17 points in 10 minutes, couldn't wake the sleepwalking Lakers in their first game of 2011. And the fans registered their disappointment with boos.

Loud boos. Long boos. And lots of boos. Thankfully, perhaps, for the Lakers, not many in the crowd stayed to the final whistle, though.

The loss was the fourth in six games for the Lakers -- and all four have been by at least 15 points.

Bryant finished with 28 points on 10-of-22 shooting. But he was the only Laker with more than 10 points. The Lakers also turned the ball over 19 times -- leading to 18 Memphis points -- and never led after the first period.

The white flag came out with 4 minutes 36 seconds to play when Coach Phil Jackson emptied his bench, sending in Joe Smith, Luke Walton and Derrick Caracter.

The Grizzlies, who have beaten the Lakers twice in three meetings this season, had five players score in double figures, led by Rudy Gay with 27 and Zach Randolph with 21. Andrew Bynum had a game-high 11 rebounds for the Lakers.

RELATED: Photos of Lakers vs. Grizzlies

Grizzlies 79, Lakers 62 (end of third quarter)

After a lethargic first half, Kobe Bryant came out with his jump shot blazing in the third quarter, scoring 17 of the Lakers' first 21 points in the period. That cut the once-large Memphis lead to just a bucket several times. Bryant also did a good job getting to the line, drawing three fouls.

Bryant and the Lakers ran low on fumes late in the quarter, though with Bryant going to the bench with 1:45 left after Memphis has rebuilt its advantage to 73-60, equaling its biggest lead of the game. It extended it further with Bryant watching.

Bryant, with 24 points, is the only Laker in double figures. Memphis, meanwhile, has gotten 17 points from Rudy Gay and 19 more from Zach Randolph. The period ended with scattered boos from the Lakers faithful.

Grizzlies 48, Lakers 39 (halftime)

This one could be setting up for Kobe Bryant.

He sat out the first five minutes of the quarter before coming on 6:48 before the intermission to hit a big three-pointer, helping the Lakers close to within a point. But eight points by Rudy Gay and Zach Randolph to close the half helped pushed Memphis comfortably back in front.

Aside from that one shot, Bryant has been a nonfactor, scoring seven points on two-of-six shooting. But you know he won't finish the night that way.

Here's how bad it's been for the Lakers: Pau Gasol had an airball from the paint. And Memphis has dominated on the boards, outrebounding the Lakers, 23-18. Memphis has been unselfish, too -- the Grizzlies' 15 assists are nearly twice as many as the Lakers' eight.

While Bryant has struggled, Andrew Bynum has played well, with seven points (on three-of-six shooting), a game-high seven rebounds and a big blocked shot.

Grizzlies 23, Lakers 18 (end of first quarter)

This was the best quarter the Lakers have played all year. Given that it was also the only quarter the Lakers have played so far in 2011, it was also their worst. So what do you prefer first, the good news or the bad news?

The good news is Pau Gasol hit his only three field-goal attempts to score a team-high six points while  Andrew Bynum grabbed four rebounds and had five points. That's about it for the good news, though.

As for the bad news, the Lakers committed five turnovers -- four turnovers in the opening minutes, Kobe Bryant did not hit a shot until there was just 4:41 left in the period and Laker killer Zach Randolph went off for nine points on four-of-six shooting.

Bryant finished the period one for three with two points while Memphis' Rudy Gay led all scorers with 10 points.

Pregame: Education, not revenge

The last time the Lakers saw Memphis, they wound up on the short end of a 98-96 result in Tennessee.

But the Lakers didn't have Andrew Bynum for that one, which left Coach Phil Jackson having to use Pau Gasol at times to guard his younger brother Marc. And the Grizzlies' 7-foot-1 center had a big night, falling a rebound short of a double-double.

The sibling rivalry won't be a factor in how Jackson defends Memphis on Sunday. But Bynum's return will give the Lakers a different look against forward Zach Randolph, the Grizzlies' leading scorer at 18.8 points a game

"We don't really consider that a pivotal factor. It's about who guards Zach," said Jackson, who is hoping to get some long minutes out of Bynum despite lingering soreness in the center's right knee. "Randolph's a factor in the ballgame and maybe length will help us on it and we can throw a few people at him during the course of the game, which changes it up."

Jackson said he reminded his team Sunday morning about what happened in their last meeting with Memphis, where the loss was part of a season-long four-game losing streak. But he didn't dwell on it.

"We know that was a pivotal part of our season at that point. And we don't have to go back and relive it," he said.

Which isn't to say the Lakers have completely moved on. Rematches against a team they lost to previously don't present an opportunity for revenge, Jackson said, as much as they present a chance for the Lakers to take their game to a higher level.

"We talk about it as a growth factor, not as revenge so much," Jackson said. "That's not the motivation I use. I use motivation about getting better and about improving our game."

-- Kevin Baxter

Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant goes to work in the post against Grizzlies guard Tony Allen on Sunday. Credit: Jeff Gross / Getty Images

 
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A little bit of revenge is a good thing!

GO LAKERS!!!

The Fakers STINK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This team is rough to watch.
All that talent and the product on the floor is a joke. Maybe it is time for Phil to move on and get a new coach.

There is no way the Lakers should be allowed to charge that much money for tickets to watch this nonsense on the court. I know you guys love to say they only get interested in the playoffs . Pay some money for tickets and lets see what you will say !!!

Anyone who thinks this team has any chance is probably also looking forward to getting a job with the NEXT Obama administration. This is way beyond a little burp, this team has collapsed. I am adjusting my season prediction to 48-44, 6th seed. Out in the first round without a doubt. And Phil, LAST season was apparently your last season of coaching.

is it time to press the panic button?

10 assists. Nobody with more than 2 (mid 4th)? It's officially every man for himself.

One thing the Lakers(not just the FO but the entire Laker Organization)made their biggest mistake this season, was trading Sasha. I think he was our lucky charm.

I think we should say Good bye to 3-peat and plan ahead for 2012 season

as long as fisher is in the starting line up the lakers is
going to continue to stugle.the sooner pj retires the better
he dont know how to get his team ready by adjusting his match up .

Since I'm sure some people might bring it up, Pau Gasol was 5-9 tonight. Kobe was 10-22.

I don't know what Blake was.

Really??? bench Fisher and start Blake for F's sakes....best trade for a point gaurd that can acutally do something!

This is BAD!

WTF!!!!

Shannon wake the F up partner, we need someone with fire....Kupchack best make some trades now bfo the deadline!!!

Just checked the score. Wow.

Wanted to see if there are any survivors here.

Or, is this another Jonestown situation?

That's IT!!! I've lost my patience with this team. Sorry Phil whatever your doing is not working. quite frankly this team looks like a first round loser. no passion, no competiveness, and just an embarrassment to watch...

I use the upcoming Chargers season to get through rooting for the Padres. The Lackers when the Chargers ( and you're welcome to them) collapse. I guess now I'll have to root for the WNBA? Wait - we all may already be doing that. Did I see where the Lackers ordered 12 gross petite sized athletic supporters?

It looks like our Laker is disinterested these days... can be a sign of tired legs or just plain bored... I am not happy at all... Except for Kobe.. nobody came to play...

Ok, how did a guy that was not suppose to play score Close to 30 points. Are you kiddin me. This team, there is something seriously wrong. What a night. My Lakers Loose by double digits to a sub 500 club and the Rams lost to seatle without putting up a fight. I use to always look forward to the Lakers playing because they use to win all the time. Now they have trouble beating anyone. With injuries to Boston, Mavs I thought it was our chance to make up some ground. We desperatley need another scorer. Artest is a joke. He did not get a single point. We're missing a scorer. Also the league has cought on to our boring monatinous offense.

CrzyFan

Not to mention that every team in the league is trying their best to beat the Champs... not a good recipe..

Dude what is up with this garbage? Huge Laker fan, don't get me wrong. This is freaking ridiculous. It's like some of the guys got there balls cut off and they don't know where to find them...so damn frustrating. Bench don't know how to pass or make a shot, etc etc etc!!!! No hope whatsoever...Damn it.

This team is a complete joke. They don't look like they are coached at all. Zero motivation, zero pride, zero passion, zero discipline. Jackson seems more interested on reminding the press that he's retiring than this current season.

That cheap attempt at stirring the pot and creating controversy in South Beach really is coming back to bite mr. Psychology's you know what. What a coincidence that every time he opens his mouth like the retirement thing, like the XMas game etc. HIS players lay an egg.

I believe you can officially put a fork in this team, they are done. They told us tonight their heart is not in it. The Lakers will not even be in the Western Conference finals. That's my prediction.

Why is everybody wanting a trade when these things happens... it's like filing for divorce every time you have disagreement with a wife... pathetic... have a little balls people... a true fan is committed to the team not only in good days.. but especially in the bad...I wonder how many of you here were here when our starting 5 included Kwame, Mihm, smush, and luke...

Emotion is an integral part of all sports. Success is not completely based on physical ability.

The Lakers have fallen into an emotional crevasse.

The likely culprit is the emotional and physical toll inherent in reaching three NBA finals in a row.

Iceberg:
"Anyone who thinks this team has any chance is probably also looking forward to getting a job with the NEXT Obama administration."

What is this? Don't ever again mixed up politics with sport. Obama is the best and he will be our president again for the next term. You must be one of those spoiled rich persons that want everything for yourself.

Go and get a life.

Lakers are losing games because they have lost their eagerness, and because of the management who deliberatley giving out our good players for some out of date new players.

@dice8up wake up man! this team is a freaking mess. your as delusional as this team is right now.

No Passion
No Coaching

yes - please mitch make some trades!!!! that will get some azzez in gear. they think they are bored - that will get their attention.

love what orlando did. it's not too late to get a fast pg who can defend. Or get MELO!!!!

@dice8up...

To add a lil humor, I was here then,and guess what I was one calling,asking pleading for a trade. I always said any of the 2 outta luke, kwame,lamar.. Well a few years later and a few chips to are still on the team,but this is getting ridiculous no matter how tou slice iy or in your case dice it..lol

It's Hollywood baby - they get divorced all the time. Make some trades!!!!

im starting to miss sasha

I wonder how many of you here were here when our starting 5 included Kwame, Mihm, smush, and luke...

Posted by: dice8up


Agreed. Heck, I was here when the starting lineup was Antonio Harvey,
Trevor Wilson, Vlade Divac, Tony Smith, and Nick Van Exel.

Well, I hate to say...I TOLD YOU SO. The wheel's came off the BANDWAGON...AGAIN. Spanked be the MIGHTY GRIZZLLIES again, dude the 2X champs look more like CHUMPS.

Let me sum up five things you Lakerholics can take from this @zz kicking.

1. Mentally Weak
2. Heartless/Gutless
3. Leaderless
4. No Passion/ No urgency
5. KY Jelly is their Krytoynite

But as 888 would say...it's only PRACTICE SEASON, circling the DRAIN at a slowly. Will somebody PLEASE flush the TOILET.

Can we say 8 seed, BEATDOWN in the first round by Dallas or San Antonio. Now let me get back, this blog is going HELTER SHELTER.

Go Heat

waus: I totally agree with you...

For a team to reach the championships entails an enormous amount of emotion not to mention the wherewithal to win it all physically... how much more 3 times in a row... that says a lot about mileage and strength.

I am sure the team, coaching staff, and FO is talking about it and is looking for a way to weather the storm.. that is maybe the reason why no one is pushing so hard at this stage... let's just hope that it will not be too late for the team to make a meaningful push late into the season.

Go Lakers!!!

Patrick tells Norm Nixon:"I am not gonna rip this team as it's just one game" ! Really Pat ? Where the hell YOU been the past 2 weeks Patrick ?!

For a team, who lost last night. traveled & the last game of a road trip, & the Lakers, at home, with a day off yesterday, they looked horrible; outworked, out played, played with no heart! Pau gets only 9 shots was it ? Fish IS a point guard, no ? Granted in this offense(or lack thereof), a PG is not the same as on other teams, but again, they need to replace Fish in the starting line up; since Kobe will take most of the shots, when Fish does get it, he HAS to get the ball inside!

That was but one of many breakdowns tonight & I hatred /O's answer to the reporter, when ask if concerned:"No, we're not concerned as there's a lot of time left" granted, there is, but to not be concerned is a piss-poor attitude. If it were 1,2 games, maybe, but in this funk for this long, they damn well better be concerned!

I also feel Phil has to shoulder some blame as he knows they are stagnant so he has to somehow motivate them, even tho'; they should need no motivation as they have been here before.

Very disappointed in their lack of energy, heart & smarts the past few weeks!

Bench:
Artest
Fisher

If they are not going to play, and when they do jack up these stupid shots. they have no reason to be in starting lineup of an NBA team....

Enough with the BS excuses.

"we got behind, and could never get back in the game" - Phil Jackson LOL

Just checked the score. Wow.

Wanted to see if there are any survivors here.

Or, is this another Jonestown situation?

Posted by: waus | January 02, 2011 at 08:58 PM

No SURVIVORS, all the Lakerholics drank the KOOL AID.

Trading Sasha was a big mistake. To me he would be the only one motivated and eager to play right now.

Hey I've been here since I went to my first Lakers parade in downtown in 1980 (when I was five) and never left. I suffered through the 90s with doug christie and Sedelle Threatt (or however you say his name). Then things got good again eventually on the tail end of the 90s (esp once we got rid of Del Harris...shoulda kept Nick instead). We've had an eventful decade winning 5 out of seven appearances (suffering thru Smush, Kwame, etc in doing so as you said) but my boys have always been watchable for the most part. This...

DAMN, whether we make the Finals or not, we'll see in April. But we shouldnt be THIS bad. I can accept losing when you're trying really hard, but they're just..not there.

If the majority of the bloggers here went to work and performed as half-heartedly as the lakers did tonight, we'd be fired.

@dice8up wake up man! this team is a freaking mess. your as delusional as this team is right now.

No Passion
No Coaching
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I agree with you.. the team has No Passion and will at the moment... but to say that I am delusional is not necessary... you know that things come back to you every time you throw them away...

No coaching is a bit ridiculous to say... we just won 2 rings with the style of coaching you said is no coaching.. I would take it any day.

Actually, it's one thing when you got a bunch of crap players with kobe and they play like crap. Another story to have so much talent and not even care. This team should be KILLING sub .500 teams....but no, they end up losing at HOME by 20 points!!! What is there to cheer?! Their lack of effort even though they are getting paid millions of dollars/year?

They are "entertainers" so entertain us fans with some freaking ball movement, scrappy defense, play like you want to be there. NO one here expects them to win every game - but you better at least TRY dammit!!!

Trades are in order and I hope that Mitch pulls off something big. Package Gasol with Walton...get us a freaking pg who can dribble, pass, and make a damn layup. Get Griffin. Get us something to freaking get excited about. Honestly, I 'd rather see a less talented team trying their heart out for a win than this bs.

"Kobe screwed it up"- Phil Jackson Kobe got the team within 2 points of tying the game. Sorry Phil; it's time you accept some responsibility.

@dice8up...

To add a lil humor, I was here then,and guess what I was one calling,asking pleading for a trade. I always said any of the 2 outta luke, kwame,lamar.. Well a few years later and a few chips to are still on the team,but this is getting ridiculous no matter how tou slice iy or in your case dice it..lol

Posted by: VI Lakerfan | January 02, 2011 at 09:19 PM
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Yes, that's right! And years later we have been to the finals 3 years in a row winning 2 consecutive years with those 2 still in the lineup.

I don't even think it's sleepwalking anymore, I just don't think they're as good as we thought. In New Orleans, all their shots were going in and everyone said all was fine, now they don't shoot as well and it's lethargy and complacency? I don't buy it.

alekesam:

I understand perfectly how you feel.. I also saw those years... and i also know that the team is not playing the right way and so disrespecting the game... I address the team as a whole...

Is it just me or does anyone else notice that gassy plays exttra soft everytime he plays the grizz. Is he such a nice guy that he wants to thank the grizz for the trade and two ring, and or does he want to try real hard to make lil bro look real good?? Now I remeber last years"lets get back to playing ball" by pau..we know how that turned out. This year however I'm not so sure

Btw what's with all these teen quarters a few in the wins but there just about in every loss. I thought everyone said our scorings fine??Wow I always talk about b-ball and a win is a win,but I'd hate to pay good money to see a team,any team put up 60,70,or 80 something points in a game(defense my @$%).. It even makes it harder when I saw a guy put up 81 a few years ago all by his lonesome(well almost)lol...Wish he was on the lakers..... hmmmmmmmmm........

Anybody on this blog saying anything NEGATIVE about the Lakers.....are HATERS and TROLLS. Just Sayin.

The only thing I'm really clinging to right now is the fact that during the Shaq/Kobe years, that third year we stunk it up and still took it all. So I can see us winning this last one and then having a drought starting next year as we start to put together another run. It all depends on how we're doing at the end of the season. If we get any kind of run/momentum heading into the playoffs, I like our chances.

They are "entertainers" so entertain us fans with some freaking ball movement, scrappy defense, play like you want to be there. NO one here expects them to win every game - but you better at least TRY dammit!!! -- JimA

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That's all we ask as fans... that the team give it an effort every time... I am with you on this...that's why I said, "I am not happy"

GO Lakers!!! Go Kobe!!!

Time for a reality check, been quite a while since I posted but this game and the Rams game has really got me in a bad mood.
Personally I am not giving up on the season like most in this blog. But if we are going to compete sometime this year then changes have to be made.
First, these results show why personel decisions have to be made with your brain not your heart. Fisher has nothing left. Sadly this was obvious at the end of last year but management made the decision to reward him at the cost of the team. With all due respects to Fish, if you think he is bad now just wait until next year. Yet we expect him to compete and 'defend' the premeir point guards in the league, get real!
Blake is a reasonable back up but that is all. We NEED a point guard who can defend his position. Now in our financial position we will have to be creative. One possibility is Kirk Hinrich in Washington. He is an unnecessary luxury there due to Wall. We could trade draft picks, Walton, Brown and cash. It seems like a steep price but Blake can 'play' either guard position.
Without a point guard, we are playing four on five every game. The dribble penetration is killing us. Just a thought, what say you?

I agree with you.. the team has No Passion and will at the moment... but to say that I am delusional is not necessary... you know that things come back to you every time you throw them away...

No coaching is a bit ridiculous to say... we just won 2 rings with the style of coaching you said is no coaching.. I would take it any day.

Posted by: dice8up | January 02, 2011 at 09:30 PM

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“delusional - A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence... “I’ll stand by my words. Coaching is not saying in a press conference “Kobe screwed it up”. What kind of nonsense is that??
What I saw is a team run circles around the Lakers, NO sign of coaching. Don’t care how many rings Jackson has won. He has lost this team, and alienating your biggest star is a rookie mistake.
Quite frankly I’m getting sick of cheerleaders on here. Acting as though nothing is wrong...

Nite People... on to the next game...

Happy and Prosperous New Year to my Laker Fam.

This team is disrespecting their Fans …

Actually, it's one thing when you got a bunch of crap players with kobe and they play like crap. Another story to have so much talent and not even care. This team should be KILLING sub .500 teams....but no, they end up losing at HOME by 20 points!!! What is there to cheer?! Their lack of effort even though they are getting paid millions of dollars/year?

They are "entertainers" so entertain us fans with some freaking ball movement, scrappy defense, play like you want to be there. NO one here expects them to win every game - but you better at least TRY dammit!!!

Trades are in order and I hope that Mitch pulls off something big. Package Gasol with Walton...get us a freaking pg who can dribble, pass, and make a damn layup. Get Griffin. Get us something to freaking get excited about. Honestly, I 'd rather see a less talented team trying their heart out for a win than this bs.

Posted by: JimA | January 02, 2011 at 09:30 PM

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I'm with you 100%. It's time for a change. this team needs a wakeup call.

One reason the Lakers are losing......Kobe Bryant. I say this as Phil said in his press conference "Kobe screwed up the game by going one on one" He gets his teammates out of rhythme and out of the offense they get frustrated and decide not to play defense. For those of you who have played basketball if you don't get touches and not take any shots theres nothing to be accountable for on the defensive end. Pau has six early points why not cotinue with what works. "but wait if it wasn't for Kobe they wouldn't of won against philly" thats right he shot the ball when he had to, but shooting the ball when he had to does not mean the whole game. Feed your teammates the ball and they'll work for you on the defensive end of the court. "1" assist in the third quarter, cause if you watched the game Kobe took plenty of shots. Yes he did bring them to within two points but there comes a point to where you start "sharing the ball" and get your teammates involved. When Kobe shoots less they win games, when he shoots too many they almost always LOSE!! The Lakers will not three peat until he starts sharing the ball again. He was the only one with double figure shot attempts. Lamar only had 8 attempts, TROUBLE.

Tony: you got 2 rings in the last 2 years as evidence.. unless you just cherry pick your way into your argument... you do not lose a championship with tonight's loss.

If you happen to play competitive sport.. you will know that things of these nature happens.. teams and individuals go through valleys and peaks...

Strength and fortitude to win is made in the valleys...

Go Lakers!!! Go Kobe!!!

Did PJ say that "Kobe screwed it up", Tony? Where did you hear that? Gotta link?

Reality Check Time....Agreed the Lakers could use a better PG defender, but Kirk Hinrich is not the answer....he has a terrible, expensive contract.

@ ethan lopez did you watch the game or just listen to Phil’s blame game press conference? Kobe had the team within 2 points of tying up. Is his fault his stupid teammates can’t pass a ball. Play defense, put up stupid shots, etc?

Look at these stats http://tinyurl.com/2w8mcq9 .

The Blame is on this TEAM!

@bronxlakerfan - they palyed it on ESPN, and NBA TV a few times now.. can't find the video yet..

Greetings Lakeshow Fans,

Wow! Memphis wasted no time in keeping the Lakers at bay and gave them something to think about...28 FAST break points to the Lakers 5 comes to mind and a slew of turnovers, 20 to count.

I'm sure that most Lakers fans are certainly shell shocked and having their faith in the team severely tested. NO QUESTION!

I really feel the success the Lakers have had the last few years hinged upon ball movement and defense, especially since 2008.

Two key things strike me as a basketball fan: the Lakers inability to control athletic teams for 48 minutes and their will to pound the interior.

It's no coincidence that teams like Miami, San Antonio, Milwaukee, and Memphis who laid beat downs on the Lakeshow were able to exploit the Lakers overall team speed in transition. When the Lakers miss shots in the perimeter, it opens up the floor for teams. Also, when you look at the Lakers team defense, stoppers like Artest and Barnes are having trouble being effective because of run outs by other teams. NBA teams already KNOW the DEAL to counter the Lakers size and aggressiveness in the halfcourt: just use athleticism to beat them to the punch full court. The Lakers so far have yet to consistently address that glaring problem.

My trust is that Phil will eventually crack the whip, but has been patient thus far with his team and has his reasons. Interestingly, most guys to this point have had down years, especially Fish, Artest, and Gasol. We all know Kobe is still Kobe and AB is still on the mend. The only guy in the team that has played great is LO.

I really suspect that the three year grind has robbed this team of its athleticism, or what's left of it. Basketball is alll about ENERGY and SPEED nowadays. Im curious to see how this team responds from tonight's loss here on out. It's too darn difficult to defend championships looking at what the Lakers have to face when other teams WANT what they have, which are championships...

Her's a remedy: Pounding the ball inside EARLY in the shot clock is what Gasol, Bynum and Odom need to collectively UNDERSTAND for the Lakers to counter speed that teams are implementing. It's no SECRET what teams want to do to our champion Lakers at this point in time, which is push the ISSUE!

WINNING is always a product of having a positive outlook despite adversity, making adjustments, developing good habits. and a humble understanding of what other teams admire, which are championships. The Lakers as a team have yet COLLECTIVELY unserstand what a THREE-PEAT is going to take...It's about HARD work and respecting your opponent, which are suspect in the lakers overall psyche. Leave Phil to monitor his team on this.

We have to keep in mind that the lakers have RARELY run serious practices this year and did not really have the opportunity during the preseason, with guys just gassed or still learning the system. Let's not kid ourselves, good practices and consitency in play mean EVERYTHING!

Like Magic said a couple of weeks ago, "The Lakers margin for error has closed." Believe me, teams for the first time feel good about dictating their style to our Lakers. Now, it's the Lakers turn to impose their style on opponents, which is POUNDING the ball in the interior as I said earlier. PERIOD! LO, Gasol, and a healthy Bynum are the studs that will be tasked to get it done. The team can't have Kobe being the only fiery fellow. Once they do that with a TENACITY every night, most teams, fast or not, have to acknowledge that style of play, which will actually slow them down a bit. Also, I would like to see Artest get on the block MORE often offensively as well to space out defenses. That would really help jumpstart his game defensively

Despite all the bumps, I'm still confident that the Lakers will improve down the stretch. Whether through attrition, trades, whatever, the Lakers organization has a great track record in figuring things out. However, like most things in life, time is still the enemy. BTW, do you hear PJ cracking the whip just about now? Its' all about ADVERSITY and how this year's team responds to it no just for today, but for tomorrow and down the road...

Laker pride through ALL and ANY ADVERSITY! Gotta STILL BELIEVE...

put pau,fish,artest on the back up team start brown,kobe,
bynum,lamar and barnes this way pau will play more agressive
you can replace fisher with blake.this will provide a better
match up

Here's to hoping that come June history repeats itself from last year...

Here's to hoping from this day forth as we begin a new year the lakers bring it w or l...

Here's to hoping that this is all part of the plan and the coach isn't grabbing at straws by calling out his star player.

Here's to hoping that these guys will shut up and show up and gives fans what they hope and pay for..

Finally here's to hoping that all of us as fans actually make it to June and are actually able to witness a 3peat cause thus far it's been a hell of a ride and I don't know how much more hearts can take this.......

One reason the Lakers are losing......Kobe Bryant. I say this as Phil said in his press conference "Kobe screwed up the game by going one on one" He gets his teammates out of rhythme and out of the offense they get frustrated and decide not to play defense. For those of you who have played basketball if you don't get touches and not take any shots theres nothing to be accountable for on the defensive end. Pau has six early points why not cotinue with what works. "but wait if it wasn't for Kobe they wouldn't of won against philly" thats right he shot the ball when he had to, but shooting the ball when he had to does not mean the whole game. Feed your teammates the ball and they'll work for you on the defensive end of the court. "1" assist in the third quarter, cause if you watched the game Kobe took plenty of shots. Yes he did bring them to within two points but there comes a point to where you start "sharing the ball" and get your teammates involved. When Kobe shoots less they win games, when he shoots too many they almost always LOSE!! The Lakers will not three peat until he starts sharing the ball again. He was the only one with double figure shot attempts. Lamar only had 8 attempts, TROUBLE.

Posted by: ethan lopez | January 02, 2011 at 09:51 PM

^^^Whatever. Phil Jackson's always quick to plant the blame at Kobe's door whenever they lose. The Lakers weren't playing defence period. That's why went into the second half down by 15 pts. That's why Kobe decided to go "One on One" in the first place. It was Kobe's run in the 3rd that got us within 5 points. The Kobe shooting to much argument is just a way to hide the fact Pau Gasol especially & the rest of the team are playing poorly.

@dice8up this team amongst other things; certainly lacks any “Strength and fortitude”. I play Basketball, and Tennis. I’ve never been accused of playing without passion. That’s why it pisses me off, to see this Laker team play like a bunch of CHUMPS instead of Champs.

Success is liking yourself, liking what you do, etc. I’m sorry but I don’t see that in this team right now; which has won two rings.
Quite frankly, I’m starting to doubt they can get their house back in order this season.

Something needs to change my friend!!!

Makes sense to BOO lack of effort.

Not sure that's the whole problem. These losses are convincing, double digit wake up calls that haven't gotten answered.

Still, the boys will be there in April, maybe minus swagger, but they'll be there.

@ Lakers for life -take it easy with that enter key. LOL :) your right btw, and I was saying the same thing. that was a rookie mistake by Phil to call Kobe out...

@truth

it's hard to disagree with you there. I'll be the first to say that most people will point to the last 2 years,which is all good.However history repeats itself and it can go both ways. How the team has played in the past or what they have accomplished only gives an idea,but it's no way set in stone. It's championship or bust and as much as a lot of fans think that switch can be flipped,it may come a point where that switch is broken...

BTW..
the first few sentences of your post had me lol-ing all over the place.I'm still on the floor..gotta find some humor somewhere...

Look in the mirror PJ, the answer is obviuos...you are the problem.

You said.....
The Lakers shot the ball very well from three-point range in November.

Not so well in December.

Why?
Lakers Coach Phil Jackson explained, saying there were two reasons.

"Defenses are getting better against us by teams around the league as they see us play," Jackson said. "They have the ability to make adjustments and secondly, legs. People get tired and they don't have the same amount of leg strength."

The Lakers shot 41.2% from three-point range in November, but that dipped to 31% in December.

They played 15 games both months.

"Shots are about, especially outside shooting, strength in legs," Jackson said.
..........................................
Gee Phil who monitors minutes and rotations so guys don't get tired legs? Ummm that be you!

Whose job is it to prepare Lakers with different looks so teams can't figure out tendancies so easily? Ummm that be you again Phil. Look in the mirror.

You shot yourself furher by stating this is you last year coaching (or not coaching as the shoe fits). Players are tuning you out sooner knowing you will be gone. You should have played your usual mind games and said you have not decided so you would not be tuned out.

You refused to use energy guys like Sasha and Ebanks and then trade Sasha for Joe Smith who only played tonight for the first time and send Ebanks down to D'League? You fool.

Those that bash Fish don't realize what he brings to the Lakers but not mentioned was his best quality, that being having the huevos to stand up to Kobe Bryant.

Now back to PJ, for PJ they should let him go immediately and put Shaw as interim coach. They should then divide PJ's salary 12 ways and each player that lifts his game up and exerts greater effort get that 1/12 pay. Those that don't let their 1/12 go to bank for salary for next years head coach.

Lets see who then steps up to the plate.

Its really too bad that the Lakers are not playing with any fire and tenacity that we have seen in previous years. When they get behind, they fall apart. There needs to be some sort of shake-up, maybe a tinker with the line-up. Before, I wouldwatch this team and think "How much longer until they turn it on?" , but lately it has been "Will they ever turn it on?" Absolutely dreadful play of late.

@Tony

Thanks for the info...I usually don't watch those programs after the Lakers lose...too much negativity.

Enough wasting my time talking about this team.

It’s time to turn the panic button on is the bottom-line. Some folks on here are not ready to deal with the reality; that this team is not really very good right now.
Goodnight Folks!

Wonder if The Piston’s will blow us out of our own house on Tuesday???

Fisher has nothing left. Sadly this was obvious at the end of last year but management made the decision to reward him at the cost of the team. With all due respects to Fish, if you think he is bad now just wait until next year. Yet we expect him to compete and 'defend' the premeir point guards in the league, get real!

I know most of you Loyal Laker fans think it is disloyal to say anything bad about Fisher because he has done so much for the organization. But if he had any real class he would not of asked for a 3 year deal when he has already stunk up the court for the last 2 years !! And this year he is totally pathetic. And I repeat...he is not a good TEAM defender...and all the elite guards don't blow by everybody...but everybody blows by Fisher !!!

Turnovers and lack of ball movement (assists) were the main culprits for this one loss. These two issues can be fixed. Lack of passion and desire to play your best are attitude problems that need to be addressed sooner rather than later.


Companies, political parties and countries as a whole suffer under the weight of their own successes as well. The reasons the Lakers are failing are not dissimilar from the way old blue chip companies get unseated by smaller more ambitious upstarts. We are slowing down, the others are catching up.

The reality is, we appear bored with the business at hand-- at least relative to the other teams around the league. We have been to the top of the mountain, twice, and now appear interested in returning only if it is the shortest way possible, if at all.

I think it best that after this season PJ retire and I think it best that after this year we go out and get some younger legs.

first let me thank gmoney, she has such admiration for the lakeshow that she waits patirntly for a chance to open her mouth and not have to put anything in it. secondly i would say we look horrible but i remember when we had ceballos as our leading scorer. so while it looks pretty desolate for us now, we have definately been worse. hang in there show fans, it wont end like this i promise, .......LONELAKERFANINTX.COM

now I am mad and sad...it is kobe's fault this time....Kobe if you want to win a two to three more rings, pass the ball..I thought you have anexcellent basketball IQ....other teams know how to attack you (I mean you kobe)...you are not young anymore--you need your big three.........please don't dissapoint us fans....we are spending a lot of money to see the team wins and not you being the leading scorer in the NBA--got that

The Lakers are bunch of Wussies period.

I've seen bad Laker teams before...But I've NEVER seen such a talented team bring such STINK to our home court!!

KOBE is still the best player around, thats obvious. people can argue all they want but statistically, factually, and championsipally(not a real word) he is the best. but, the only way we stand a chance is 1. gasol has got to remember where he put his balls, 2. odum has to start, has to,3. barnes has to be traded, his turnovers are unacceptable and he is not a nba player,4. bynum needs more rehab, he isnt healthy, and finally they need to go back to what they are, a big team, dominate the paint, claim the boards and EVERYONE touches the ball...

This is what happens when teams/fans say things like "we play in June" or " regular season games nothing". You really start playing like that. The Kobe led Lakers have won 2 rings, not 6. They barely won last season, it was not easy. I really think that Kobe did not help with this silly rant to the press about his team when he played like crap. I bet that is still bothering some players.

I guess you Lakers fans have to blame anyone and everyone but Kobe. You ever wonder why Kobe could not woo Raja Bell to come play with the Lakers, but later he said he may end up playing for the Heat in the future.

Intro:

"With all this talent how are we sucking so bad! This is crazy! Phil Jackson is the worst coach ever and needs to retire!"

Okay guys, we need to relax. We have alot of talent that can win the title. We know this. Geez, we've done it the last 2 years. I think Phil and Kobe will get this ship righted and we will be hitting our stride soon enough. The season isn't even at the midway point.

Dang Yaya,

How can you say something like "They barely won last season, it was not easy."

Newsflash, winning a championship is NEVER easy!

But I do agree with you on everything else you said.

Been saying it all year. Fisher is the weak link for the starting five Lakers. He is too slow, cannot shoot, plays no defense. I wonder if he ever watches the game films ?? He should see how bad he plays. Laker management should consider benching him to the second team or ensure he retires at end of this year. ALL of the other teams have PG's that are way too fast for Fisher and they shoot way better then him. If you want respect Fisher then retire or place ur self ont he second team now. Save ur reputation before it gets any worse.

30-something games into the season, it's pretty obvious this Lakers team has no chance of three-peating. Maybe they can turn it around in the last 50 games, but the longer the Lakers play the way, the harder it's going to be to change. Right now the Lakers are "lifeless," later on it will just be because they aren't very good. I've watched a lot of the games this season and it's led me to two conclusions: 1) they have really just fallen off the map; or 2) they don't care.

I'd like it to be #2 because that means they may potentially care and turn everything around. With each double-digit loss to sub-500 teams I'm growing more and more concerned that it's #1.

The core of the Lakers (other than Bynum) are all heading into the twilight of their careers (even Pau - what's happened to that guy?). Unless this season has been an aberration so far, the Lakers have no chance of winning, and have the league's highest payroll.

It may be time to seriously consider trading the guys while they still have value and rebuild. If not, the Lakers will have to try to pull a Miami and sign a couple of superstars in summer of 2013 (or 2014), when basically the whole team comes off the books.

Bynum + Odom for Dwight Howard maybe? Give OKC whoever they want for Durant?

First the good news...we're finally seeing Showtime again!
Now the bad news...it's the other team that's inflicting it on us.

Man, how does a team that just won two championships and which has four (4!!!!) legitimate AllStars get not just beaten but positively posterized by yet another bottom dweller? Is there any team left in the league that isn't licking its chops to come in to Staples and go medieval on our hinies? Do we still have any guys left in their 20s, or have we already traded them all for guys in their 40s? Is Phil making guys run laps after games if they get any closer than 10 feet to a 3-pt shooter? Is Kobe under strict orders to wander around aimlessly on defense? Is Dr. Buss planning on making some really serious money by having the Lakers replace the Washington Generals as the opponents making the Harlem Globetrotters look good? Have we entered Bizarro World?

Don't worry, Mamba24, my bro, I haven't gone rogue on our Lakers...I just had to get ALL of the loogeyness out in one giant hock, dude. I'm OK now. Really.

One screwed up team from coach all the way to the last guy in the team. I don't care how many times they've been champions. This is the most ridiculous team in the lakers' history. They have no respect for people and the fans. Some of us spends lots of money, outrageous money to see this bozo-the-clowns. If the owner doesn't start making some changes his lakers' legacy will be in big trouble.

And one more thing: stop blaming Cobe for everything. He has a patience too. If he is surrounded by sleepwalking idiots then nothing he can do.

Whoever said that whoever's here are nothing but haters and trolls is right. Because I hate the Lakers and no one here can deny that right now your team SUCKS. Cancel the Figueroa parade, the only parade that will happen anywhere around here this year took place yesterday. MAN I am glad that the Heat didn't pick up Fish, because it's obvious that the old man has nothing left in the tank. Losing to Miami and the Spurs is one thing, but to Memphis and Milwaukee at home by a combined 38 points??? No one can deny that a 3-peat by the FAKERS will require a miracle which even the most OVERRATED player of all-time, your beloved so-called "Black Mamba" won't be able to produce. Hahahaha enjoy the time off in May and June, you deserve it!!

I am gonna save my money and stop buying tickets for the home games for a while. This is the third time I have gone to a game, taken my family and spent hard earned cash on these lazy pro athletes. It's ridiculous to watch them dog it like they have been doing, getting paid insane amounts of money to play a game they don't seem to have interest in playing or putting out any effort.

fakers

I feel so sorry for those who paid big bucks at Staple Certer and watched this kind of game. Shame on Lakers

Yes i admit that the lakes have been doing real real bad so far but were barely takin off BABY!! Cmon guys if u kno the lakers then u shud kno that they're a fourth quarter team! Were barely at halftime (season wise).. but yea they need to take artest and fisher off the starting lineup and put in brown and someone else...ANYBODY ELSE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!

stop watching in staple center till lakers team win...so expensive ticket...let fisher step down and put him in second unit...

I am almost decided to TIVO every game and watch reruns of whatever until the game is over, then check the box score. If the box score is a win or Kobe goes off for more than 30 (with more than 40% FG%), then watch the TIVOed Laker game. Otherwise it will be more torture we have been enduring from these lifeless Lakers.


I am amazed that they are not practicing, since it is obvious to everyone, if not the delusional few on this blog, that they need to practice good habits and work the new players in. They never really had a training camp, folks..........remember?


It has become obvious that Pau is pouting or disillusioned - pathetic whimp (2" vertical and Kwame hands lately!). Kobe is NOT the problem. PJ is - as some have said, it is his job to motivate and to tweak things. He can take Kobe out of games if he truly believes that is the problem - but I know it is not. IF PJ is unwilling to do his job, then get rid of him! IT is that simple. He is already completely tuned out by the players if indeed he is saying anything in those huddles. I would love to get a candid feed outside of a few TNT public mic audios.


I find it interesting that the usual suspect delusional- they can-just-throw-the-switch folks are mostly absent from this post................ HMMMMMMMMMMMM......could it be they finally get it!


I finally got to go to a Chargers game yesterday, albeit in Mile High. Without anything really to gain the Chargers (Rivers) put in a good performance to win their last game of the season. 'Pau, et al, doesn't play defense if they don't get their shots on the offesnive end' (paraphrased) !!! Yikes, my coaches would have had anybody with that attitude riding pine forever until they showed they could play D no matter what!


I fear, like many on this post, that this season is lost to a mediocre regular season W/L record (maybe 50 wins at this rate, maybe not) that puts them way outside the normal HCA expectations and the fight is not in this particular team, even though it is mostly the same one we got a back-to-back CHIP out of.


If the FO won't make a move, and I believe they really have their hands tied to make one without completely giving up on this season (except to fire PJ), then I hope Kobe shoots 50 times a game and gets his 30-50 a game, because at least that is fun to watch. This half torture is not and I am glad to be one that only pays for the Leagus Pass and not a season ticket holder!


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