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Lakers' 16-game home winning streak over Utah Jazz shows trends in performance

The Lakers aren't making much of this, no matter how impressive it sounds.

But facts are facts and they say this: The Lakers have beaten the Utah Jazz 16 consecutive times at Staples Center, and No. 17 could come Tuesday night. Even though the Lakers have eliminated the Jazz in the last three postseasons, they still have plenty of respect for Utah. The Lakers have lost to them on the road, including a 102-98 loss in late November. And the Lakers are very cognizant of Utah's chances to end its four-game losing streak, much like when the Dallas Mavericks halted their six-game losing streak with an impressive victory last week against the Lakers.

The Jazz have had their fair share of success at EnergySolutions Arena against the Lakers, considering their 6-4 mark in the last 10 regular-season games. But it's not as deeply rooted as the Lakers home-winning streak, especially since the Lakers won two road games against Utah in the 2010 Western Conference semifinals. 

"Being that they have this losing streak and how many times they lost at Staples Center," Lakers guard Kobe Bryant said, I'm sure tomorrow they'll be ready."

But there's plenty of reasons why the Lakers have remained undefeated against Utah since a 98-94 loss Jan. 1, 2006, including Bryant's dominance, an impressive inside game and the Lakers' ability to hold off Utah's late-game comebacks. So even if the Lakers think very little of this streak, below the jump are a few details that explain what they can apply to avoid Utah snapping it tonight.

"Home court advantage might be a part of it," Lakers Coach Phil Jackson said.

Bryant had big nights

It's revealing that Derek Fisher's most vivid memories of this stretch doesn't entail the Lakers' dominance so much as being on the receiving end of it. Images of Bryant's 52-point performance in the Lakers' series record 132-102 victory Nov. 30, 2006 against Utah remain fresh in Fisher's mind when he played for the Jazz during the 2006-07 season. Chants of M-V-P reigned throughout Staples Center at the end of the third quarter where Bryant tied a franchise record for points in a quarter with 30. Bryant showcased his dominance in numerous ways, observed The Times' Mike Bresnahan, including an off-balance jumper, a thunderous dunk and hitting all nine of his third-quarter field-goal attempts.

So much for all the concern about his recovery from offseason arthroscopic surgery on his right knee.

"Those times Kobe was just really good," Fisher said. "Those were the pre-Pau Gasol days and when Andrew [Bynum] was dominant in the middle and that type of the thing."

Fisher has obviously been on the other end of Bryant's dominance from 1996-2004 and then when he returned before the 2008-09 season. That proved to be no exception against Utah, even when the Lakers eventually had a larger supporting cast. Bryant unleashed his best shooting night in five weeks after scoring 30 points on 12 of 19 shooting in the Lakers' 104-99 Game 1 victory of the 2010 Western Conference semifinals. Bryant proved instrumental in eliminating the Jazz from the 2009 postseason with a 31-point effort in the Lakers' 107-98 series-clinching win in the first round of the 2009 playoffs. Bryant's 40-point performance served as one of the lone bright spots in the Lakers' otherwise sluggish 113-100 win Jan. 1, 2009 over Utah. He proved with a 26-point output in the Lakers' 111-104 Game 5 victory over Utah in the 2008 Western Conference semifinals that his lower back wasn't issue. And after being handed the MVP trophy for the 2007-2008 regular season, Bryant unleashed 34 points in the Lakers' 120-110 Game 1 victory over Utah in the 2008 Western Conference semifinals.

Bryant's scoring dominance shouldn't come as a surprise to any basketball fan. But stars are still afforded a few off nights. That doesn't happen for Bryant, however, against the Jazz.

"It's who executes their game plan better," Bryant said. "I'm sure they know everything that we run and everything they run. We've played against each other so many years and so many times, including the preseason, I'm sure we could flip flop jerseys and execute just as well."

Lakers exploited their size advantage

The Lakers, as with mostly anyone in the league, enjoy a size advantage few other teams have. Two 7-footers in Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol as well as versatile 6-foot-10 Lamar Odom make it hard for opponents to manage the Lakers' front line. But that advantage usually hinges on whether the Lakers properly use their assets.

"Size-wise we are a team that is gifted and we have to make sure we use that against teams," Gasol said. "Utah is no different."

The Lakers have done so against Utah without much of a problem, even through the Jazz's physical and scrappy nature. The Lakers' 104-99 Game 1 victory of the 2010 Western Conference Semifinals featured the defending champions beating up on the Jazz's frontline that missed injured starters Mehmet Okur and Andrei Kirilenko, with Gasol (25 points, 12 rebounds, five blocked shots) and Odom (key blocked  shot on Carlos Boozer and put back with 49.9 seconds left) proving the difference. Even when the Lakers beat themselves, it made very little difference. The Lakers' 111-103 Game 2 victory over Utah in the 2010 Western Conference semifinals featured Bynum (17 points, 14 rebounds and double double in the first half) tolerating the slight cartilage tear in his right knee and Odom giving little thought to his slightly sprained right knee (11 points, 15 rebounds).

And when the Lakers and Jazz were healthy, the Lakers' frontline was still equally effective. There was Odom's season-high 26-point performance in the Lakers' 106-92 victory April 2, 2010 over Utah. There was Gasol notching his 10,000th career point after a 21-point effort in the Lakers' 113-100 victory Jan. 2, 2009. And there was Bynum's 22-point effort in only 30 minutes of play in the Lakers' 125-112 victory April 14, 2009 over Utah.

Both Odom (22 points, 11 rebounds) and Gasol (21 points, eight assists) proved critical in the late-game moments in the Lakers' 111-104 victory in the 2008 Western Conference semifinals. Gasol rebounded Sasha Vujacic's missed three-point attempt that resulted in Bryant finding Odom for an open dunk to give the Lakers a 103-100 lead. Gasol a possession later backed down Okur in the post and scored on a left-handed layup, giving the Lakers a 105-102 edge with 1:18 left. Gasol then followed that a putback dunk off Vujacic's missed three-pointer that gave the Lakers a 107-102 lead with 20.5 seconds remaining.

"We've seen them so much due to the playoffs and the regular season," Odom said. "They know what we're going to run. We know what they're going to run. Both teams won't be surprised by anything the other team does. Both teams will be prepared."/p>

Lakers staved off comebacks

It's not just the respect level the Lakers have for the Jazz that make them take very little from beating Utah 16 consecutive times at home. It's that many of them came close to losses, thanks to Utah's ability and willingness to come back from large deficits.

That's why the Lakers' 104-99 victory in Game 1 of the 2010 NBA Playoffs prompted few smiles  afterward. After taking a 14-point second-quarter lead to Utah, the Jazz cut it down enough to force the Laker starters back in the game to secure the victory. Poor play from the Lakers' reserves, Deron Williams dropping 24 points and eight assists, and Paul Millsap's late-game charge with 16 points and nine rebounds all contributed to Utah's 12-1 run that contributed to a 93-89 lead with four minutes remaining. Then the Lakers woke up, going on a 15-6 charge, including a signature block from Odom on Carlos Boozer following by a putback with 49.9 seconds remaining.

Interestingly enough, the Lakers' 111-103 Game 2 victory played out in pretty much the same fashion. A 2-0 deficit would be welcomed in most circles. But the Lakers again lamented failing to secure what would've been an easy win. Committing 11 of 20 turnovers in the second half, going four of 17 from three-point range and allowing Utah to trim a 15-point third-quarter deficit into a Lakers' 98-94 lead with 5:01 remaining does that. It's an attribute that speaks well to Utah's resiliency during a well-fought series, particularly with the Jazz having to absorb injuries to starters Mehmet Okur and Andrei Kirilenko.

The Lakers easily could've watched tape of the first round of the 2009 playoffs or the 2008 Western Conference semifinals to know they shouldn't believe any lead over the Jazz is safe. The Lakers' 107-96 Game 4 victory in the 2009 playoffs meant a semifinal matchup with the Houston Rockets, but it didn't come without headaches. They saw a 22-point third-quarter lead dwindle to six with 3:43 to play, prompting the starters once again to reenter the contest to secure the victory. If this sounds redundant, that's because it is. The Lakers' 113-100 Game 1 victory in the 2009 playoffs also featured a 22-point halftime lead getting slashed, thanks to Utah grabbing 20 offensive rebounds, attempting 28 free throws and featuring offensive balance in Williams (16 points, 17 assists), Boozer (27 points) and Millsap (15 points). And there was the Lakers' 109-98 Game 1 victory of the 2008 Western Conference semifinals that featured a blown 19-point lead thanks to 58-41 rebounding deficit and Utah showcasing its physical play with 33 fouls.

"There had been games where we had gotten out to a big lead and they were able to battle back and pull within two or four and we had to close the game out at the end," Fisher said. "It hasn't just been that we've beaten them by 20 or 30 points every time they've come here. Some differences could be that it's home and road. Utah over the last few years has had young plays play key minutes. On the road, there are times guys will struggle. But we expect it to be a tough game tomorrow regardless of what's happened in the past."

This pattern didn't always extend to the regular season. The Lakers' 106-92 victory April 3, 2010 and, 125-112 victory April 14, 2009 and 101-77 win Dec. 9, 2009 over Utah each featured strong second-half efforts, with the latter contest including a 20-0 run and holding Utah to the third fewest fourth quarter points (6) before the NBA's shot clock era. The outcome of the Lakers' 123-109 victory Dec. 28, 2007 was decided by halftime; the outcome of the Lakers' 132-102 victory Nov. 30, 2007 was decided by the end of the third quarter. But the Lakers' inconsistency and Utah's relentless play happened enough times to make the Lakers know they shouldn't believe any lead is safe against the Jazz. That inconsistency in the Lakers' 113-110 win Jan. 1, 2009 over Utah prompted Lakers fans at Staples Center to boo the team following because its inability to hold two double-digit leads resulted in a missed opportunity for free tacos. The Lakers could've fallen into ninth place in the Western Conference standings had they not secured a 94-88 victory Feb. 13, 2006 over Utah after evaporating a 26-points lead.

So even though the Lakers have prevailed in these games, they say the outcomes don't give them comfort. This pattern doesn't reveal so much their dominance over Utah as it does that their talent level and execution is required to put away a relentless and hard-working Jazz team.

--Mark Medina

Twitter.com/latmedina

E-mail the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com

 
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KobeMVP88,
The PSP wonders if you could answer the question you were asked by Rocky directly, instead of going into a 'spin zone'.
Thank You
PSP Secretary

@OCLEZY... Hey, good to hear from you. If I recall, you, Lewsters, and I share the same great birthday, Dec 7. I think we will kill the Jazz. The worry game to me will be the Kings on Friday. Too easy to look ahead to Sunday’s matchup.
.........................................
@HOBBIT... Was in a hurry and missed your own excellent comments on duct tape. It also works on overaggressive grandchildren provided their parents aren’t around. LOL.
..........................................
TOM

LakerTom,

I thought Vodka & Percocet was what you give to the parents thus allowing
duct tape for the grand kids.

*sigh* this familial relationships are sooooo confusing! :)

I really don't understand how can Lakers fans fear Boston with HCA???

In 2008 we lost the Finals in GM1 & GM4.
GM1 was a win but that theater of PP affected the Lakers players and they lost control.
GM4 was the best this team ever played (in 1st half) and maybe the worst they played (in 2nd half).

Last year, even though we had HCA I wasn't so confident, but after GM1 there was no doubt who would win. They should have won in 5 GAMES.

To conclude, the Lakers won't lose or win because of HCA.

He has clearly and repeatedly shown a disdain for facts & a preference for his
own opinion. I do wish to note that he is quick to point out facts that support
his opinion. He just ignores/disregards any facts which do not support his
opinion.

Just askin'

Posted by: hobbitmage | January 25, 2011 at 01:52 PM
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First of all, that is a flat out LIE. I meet the third grade "statistical analyses" that you lay out there, rebut them with things like team stats and intangibles that fly way over your simple mind, and then you whimper like a little beat up puppy. So get off your defensive high horses. KB Blitz was much better at that than you will ever be. Too bad he left you to fend for yourself. You were much more comfortable as a lap dog.

You are another BEAUT who ignores the real FACTS. What are the pertinent FACTS, oh King of All Negatories? An NBA third best 32-13 isn't a nice TANGIBLE fact that you can wrap your pessimistic mind around? How about the fact that the Lakers play 19 at home and 18 on the road the rest of the way in? Say if they go 15-4 at home and about 10-8 on the road, that's 57 wins, just like last season. Not good enough for you?

Rather than post links to BS that you don't even read and expect others to study feverishly, I actually post IMPORTANT statistics based on things that count like Lakers' TEAM defense stats or trends with Phil Jackson's three previous three-peat teams, which get completely ignored by you. What are these FACTS to which you refer? Really important stuff like Andrew Bynum and Derek Fisher's TANGIBLE season averages? Sir, your BS about me not laying out FACTS is just that. BS. Keep trying to insult me in an area that I run circles around you with. So while I focus on the things that matter, keep dwelling on the negative. Here's an example:

hobbitmage: the Lakers have not won the NBA Finals without HCA and would have lost game 7 in Boston.

KobeMVP888: Other then the 2008 NBA Finals (which the Lakers were in 5 out of 6 games WITHOUT Andrew Bynum's presence in the lane), the Lakers have won on the road in ALL 11 playoff series, including ALL THREE pivotal Game 3's after the series was tied 1-1 going on the road.

How about your refusal to acknowledge Andrew Bynum's mere presence in the paint and the way you pooh-pooh things like altered shots, team defense stats, deflected balls, hockey assists and other intangibles which lead to victories and which also contribute greatly to the individual stats that fans like you fall in love with?

your response: ok, so Bynum alters some shots!

Look at your facts, Mr. NEGATORY, and look at mine. You: glass empty. Me: glass filled to the brim. The problem is that you NEVER recognize the positives without a negative qualification preceding it or following it. I'm not blind. I see the Lakers malaise this season, just like all the three-peat seasons under Phil Jackson's wise, watchful eye. Nor am I overly concerned, nor should I be. Nor should ANY Lakers fan be. The only thing that would cause me concern would be a season ending injury to an important core player. Otherwise, what we have been seeing is par for the course. Unless, of course, you are one of the 43 Internal Trolls who try to ruin this blog and suck the joy out of the Lakers' success, like YOU, Bay to LA or one of these other jokes who you proudly relate to who are such embarrassments as Lakers fans that they have to change their handles every day. When I go to the games, I never meet people like you or yours. The fan who puts his money where their mouth is gives constructive criticism, but he ALWAYS has one thing that has completely alluded you for some God-forsaken reason: PERSPECTIVE.

Don't make these flat out BS lies about me not accepting "FACTS" that don't support my position. These are not the Rudy T days or even the Kwame-Smush days. These are the days of a back-to-back defending champion with a backbone and some pretty strong DNA. When do you, Bay to LA or the remaining 41 Internal Trolls ever talk about that? You don't because you are too wrapped up in the last three pointer the other team shot because the Lakers didn't rotate to the ball quick enough. Or maybe not. That FACT isn't tangible enough for you.

You can put me in the 27 list of people that like MM and Jon K.

Regarding the game, I too, smell a trap-game tonight...

Cheers.

KOBEMVP888,
The PSP asked you a question on the previous thread before blog God MM put up the 1 millionth thread of the day. Your boy LEW is fighting for you in your absence but the PSP think you can fight your own battles.

Oh wait, the PSP forgot you don't reference previous threads so the PSP guesses the point is moot.
Thanks
PSP Officer

LEWSTRS,
The Practice Season Police has no clue what you are rambling about. The PSP would like you to point out *1* instance where KOBEMVP888 has made the PSP look silly.

The PSP did not gang up on anybody; the PSP asked a simple question and you came running in to interfere!

And what's that about the PSP having a hard on? Mark Medina, if say ouchhh or yello made a comment like that they would be gone in a flash. The PSP demand that you issue a ticket to LEWSTRS to maintain fairness on the blog.

Thanks
PSP VP

hi all. thx for the roll call lew!

thoughts: stop fighting

prediction: if the lakers don't get completely obliterated by a struggling utah team, it'll be a down to the wire game since we don't know what senses of urgency are. pau or lamar will get the game winner!

Kobe's gonna come out and get our bigs involved, hopefully Pillow Pau is aggressive and not some meow with a scowl...

I expect a tight game cuz again w e refuse to impose our dominance on "Inferior" teams..

Hopefully we handle our B.I., real talk!!!

Mark Medina,

I'm confused by the title of this thread.

Pattern? Huh?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

888: Bravo. Again. That was a thing of pure beauty.

PSP: What are your other handles? Just curious about whether you're man (or woman) enough to own up to your other blog personalities. I doubt it, but it's worth asking.

27: You know how I know it's YOU, the poetry writer ex-prisoner? BECAUSE YOU NEVER ANSWER MY QUESTIONS. Just like the Little Lieutenant. Also, your lack of proper punctuation is a dead giveaway.

If this blog is SO bad (and I'm talking to you, 27, PSP, Eric Wright, et al.), why not go somewhere else? Can't handle a new thread? Good riddance.

Me? I expect our Lakers to do what they've done to the Jazz for a good long while now: DOMINATE THEM.

Go Lake Show!

Posted by: Practice Season Police | January 25, 2011 at 03:21 PM
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Only cowards hide behind their true identities. It's not my fault that you have a low reading comprehension either. Keep sucking up to all these like minded simpleton know-nothings. It's up to you.

The PSP wonders why KOBEMVP keeps calling the PSP names and accusing the PSP of MPD and Mark Medina allows it?

The PSP merely asked basketball related questions and then gets 'personally attacked' by KobeMVP888 and now Outlaw?

Mr. Outlaw please show the PSP one instance where the PSP insinuated that the blog was SO bad? Or the PSP predicting the downfall of the PSP's favorite team, the Lakers?

Again KobeMVP888, the PSP would like to let you know that the PSP ain't some other blogger like you keep assuming. With that out of the way, the PSP would still like your straightforward answer to the original question about game 7 and HCA.

Thanks
PSP Solutions Architect

888, i felt your VOICE!! that was really something!!

The PSP wonders why KOBEMVP keeps calling the PSP names and accusing the PSP of MPD and Mark Medina allows it?


Posted by: Practice Season Police | January 25, 2011 at 04:00 PM
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Waaaaaah! Little beaten up puppy dog who needs to mock out a simple, basic concept that I have floated that flies right over your simple mind. If you understood it at all, you would find NO PROBLEM with the truth that it is.

If MM bans me because of someone like YOU, it will be one of my proudest moments. No wonder people hate Lakers fans. It's because of the spoiled, rotten, entitled "fans" like YOU (and I mean "fans" in the MOST sarcastic way because you don't represent anyone who any REAL Lakers fan would have ANY reason whatsoever to be associated with). Go spew your crap somewhere else. Or get me banned. I'm good either way. You and your ilk have ruined this place.

KobeMVP888,

programming can wait. You can't. Let's go!

In response to my statement about facts you wrote: . I meet the third grade "statistical analyses" that you lay out there, rebut them with things like team stats and intangibles that fly way over your simple mind, and then you whimper like a little beat up puppy.

So ... a quick google search comes up with -

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/intangible

in·tan·gi·ble (n-tnj-bl)
adj.
1. Incapable of being perceived by the senses.
2. Incapable of being realized or defined.
3. Incorporeal.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fact

1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
2.
a. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
b. A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
c. Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
3. A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
4. Law The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.

*If* I recall correctly you are a lawyer?

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2010/09/lakers-blog-profile-kobemvp888.html

Screen name: KobeMVP888

Occupation: Attorney

So for the rest of the blog, please explain how something that, by definition,
can not be perceived by the senses, incapable of being realized & is
incorporeal can be a real occurrence and/or provable.

re: team stats. *You* are the won who says that stats don't count. Every one
here has read your statements. However, I'm willing to be wrong about this.
Is there anyone out there who would like to re-post 3 posts of Mr. KobeMVP888
which show links to stats or where he uses a stat page to validate his argument?

[ note: I asked for 3 posts, because I do recall 1 post over the last X months
where you posted some stats. LAL vs. NYK. 7 rebounds for Bynum. ]

Going forward ... As an attorney, aren't you supposed to pay attention to
details? I ask because you wrote:

hobbitmage: the Lakers have not won the NBA Finals without HCA and would have lost game 7 in Boston.

KobeMVP888: Other then the 2008 NBA Finals (which the Lakers were in 5 out of 6 games WITHOUT Andrew Bynum's presence in the lane), the Lakers have won on the road in ALL 11 playoff series, including ALL THREE pivotal Game 3's after the series was tied 1-1 going on the road.

my response: So ... *I* specified the "FINALS" which is the championship
series b/n the Eastern Conference Champions & the Western Conference
Champions. Your comment uses seeds 2-8 of the western conference to
support your opinion of what would hypothetically have happened. Those
teams 2-8 were statistically weaker than the LAL's as determined by their
lack of championship status & their record.

Going 1 step farther, Kevin Garrnet, in the Boston vs. Cleveland series
*specifically* stated that they needed to win the series in 6 games because
winning game 7 away is difficult/impossible against a team with a player of
LeBron's caliber. I'm going to go out on a limb and put Kobe in that same
realm. [ sarcasm ]

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=5184231

snippet:
"If we lose [Game 6] at home, we've got to go back to Cleveland, and even though we know we can win there, at the same time, that's their house, that's their environment," Celtics forward Glen Davis said at Wednesday's practice. "It's just a tough situation.

snippet:
Echoed center Kendrick Perkins: "It's Game 7 coming up. We don't want to go back to Cleveland. We've got to come out with the right focus, the right mindset. And play our game."

snippet:
"Anybody who gives two cents about this game and is very, very competitive, anything like me, then they're going to go home and watch this tape, probably not eat, probably not sleep much, and be ready for Game 6," Garnett said. "So we have to be ready for that. We can't put the onus on a Game 7 back here in this building [in Cleveland]."

[ note: The exact quote I recall was made on TV. However, these quotes should
support the statement I was making. ]

You also wrote: How about your refusal to acknowledge Andrew Bynum's mere presence in the paint

my response: You mean like two years ago, when I said that with Bynum at
the C and Ariza at the SF the Lakers would have beaten the Celtics in 2008?

you also wrote: Rather than post links to BS that you don't even read

my response: please post one link that I posted that I didn't read.

Say! Aren't you the guy who bragged about his son & brother being English
writer types and then refused to actually submit our posts to them and
post their response?

You also wrote: The fan who puts his money where their mouth is gives constructive criticism, but he ALWAYS has one thing that has completely alluded you for some God-forsaken reason: PERSPECTIVE.

my response: Hmmm ... So I show a lack of *perspective* when I quote
Phil Jackson & Kobe Bryant & Bynum? You, on the other hand are showing
perspective when you ignore these players statements? Please explain to me
how repeating what Phil Jackson, the head coach of the Lakers and an 11
time champion, shows a lack of perspective. While you're at it toss in Kobe
too.

you wrote: Don't make these flat out BS lies about me not accepting "FACTS" that don't support my position. These are not the Rudy T days or even the Kwame-Smush days. These are the days of a back-to-back defending champion with a backbone and some pretty strong DNA.

my response: Actually, I haven't told one lie about you. Do you *really* want
me to go back to the archives? I've done it before and you know can do it
again. However, let's examine your final sentence a little bit deeper.

re: "back-to-back defending champion with a backbone and some pretty strong
DNA."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Lakers

snippet:
The Lakers started the 2002–03 season 11–19.[161] They went 39–13 the rest of the way to finish 50–32.[162] They defeated the Minnesota Timberwolves in the first round of the 2003 NBA Playoffs, but were eliminated by San Antonio in six games in the second.

So ... Are you saying that the DNA of this Lakers team is stronger than the
Lakers team which consisted of the same head coach, the same SG & Shaq
the 3-time Finals MVP & #5 or so on the all time scoring list? [ sorry.
forgot to toss in D-Fish, that speed demon of a pg ]

finally, you wrote:
How about your refusal to acknowledge Andrew Bynum's mere presence in the paint and the way you pooh-pooh things like altered shots, team defense stats, deflected balls, hockey assists and other intangibles which lead to victories and which also contribute greatly to the individual stats that fans like you fall in love with?

my response:

1st. It's poo-poo. Pooh is the last name of a bear named Winnie.
2nd. Where have I dismissed altered shots, team defense stats, deflected
balls or hocky assists? Please repost my exact words please. I don't recall
doing this. What I *HAVE* done is state that if these things are going on
you should see other items in the stats page which are an indication of the
effort that those plays require.

Here's a question for you: How many shots did Bynum alter against the Nets?
You know, the guy that ACED his test against Bynum. I seem to recall that
I thought it would be a good test for Bynum, but *YOU* were extrememely
against this.

"YOU, Bay to LA or one of these other jokes who you proudly relate to who are such embarrassments as Lakers fans that they have to change their handles every day. When I go to the games, I never meet people like you or yours. The fan who puts his money where their mouth is gives constructive criticism, but he ALWAYS has one thing that has completely alluded you for some God-forsaken reason: PERSPECTIVE.

Don't make these flat out BS lies about me not accepting "FACTS" that don't support my position. These are not the Rudy T days or even the Kwame-Smush days. These are the days of a back-to-back defending champion with a backbone and some pretty strong DNA. When do you, Bay to LA or the remaining 41 Internal Trolls ever talk about that? You don't because you are too wrapped up in the last three pointer the other team shot because the Lakers didn't rotate to the ball quick enough. Or maybe not. That FACT isn't tangible enough for you.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | January 25, 2011 at 03:07 PM "

I'm not sure why you keep calling me out in this fashion. I'm not sure about the others but I've never posted under any handle other than this one and I'm never making any defamatory remarks in here. If I've engaged in anything other than regular conversation and polite discourse in here, that's news to me.

I may be skeptical at times but I've never flat out said "The Lakers can't win it this year", which is something you admitted you did last year. "Perspective" is nice but I can't say that I care what similar teams in the past have done. This year is this year. It's why I don't care about that stat that no 3 peat team ever lost 4 in a row during the regular season. It does nothing to affect the probability of what is going to happen this year. To compete for the title, the only teams the Lakers are going to be judged against are the 29 other teams in the association, not the previous 3peat teams. They just have to win 4 consecutive 7 game series starting in April. What similar teams did in the past against different competition? Irrelevant to this season.

hobbitmage

I'm through with you. I'm not as big hearted as LakerTom and not the least bit diplomatic when someone me repeatedly shows me (and my profession) disrespect the way you do and who insults my basketball knowledge from an historical, analytical and statistical standpoint. I've read books on this game you have never heard of. I've been to games that you have only read about. I've played and coached organized ball. I study the nuances of the game, both from an X's and O's standpoint and statistically. So don't give me any CRAP about me ignoring your basic "facts" which form just a part of this simple, yet complex game. It's you who spurns the "facts," not me.

As far as I'm concerned, your opinions deserve the same treatment my bowel movements get when I'm through with my morning elimination. When I first entered this forum, you had the nerve to play the race card on me (which has ZERO place in here) and then you have repeatedly disrespected my standing in the legal community (which has ZERO place in here). That should have been enough for me to dispose of you ages ago. But like an idiot, I went back to the well and TRIED to establish a reasonable line of communication with you. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. So shame on me.

I hope your adoring audience enjoyed your post at 04:27 PM because my tolerance for your intolerance reached a breaking point with your insults at 01:52 PM. We're done, so feel free to further defame me in any way you feel comfortable because I will never have the displeasure of reading it again.

Irrelevant to this season.

Posted by: Bay to LA | January 25, 2011 at 04:48 PM
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Not if you study history.

yup, same people, same opinions, different year. some days you just can't get rid of the whoevers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoUpF7rvfnk

but you can at least laugh.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

Hey guys. Sorry I've been AWOL for most of the days. I was out at morning shootaround compiling material for possible future posts. We need to stop all the arguing and bickering. This is just a warning. Hopefully I don't have to go any further

Bay to LA - yeah, I don't recall you being anything but polite and well-spoken. And as far as the past being predictive: statistics and trends ARE useful as tendency indicators (or what is quantum mechanics for, where everything is a probable and nothing is a "for sure"?), but are, as you've pointed out, NEVER absolute, either in the world of physics or the world of sports.

It's the unknowns that make it fun. Having one of the greatest scorers and bball players of all time go down and have to retire after the first run of the season would NEVER have predicted a 33 game win streak (slaughtering the old record), or the best season record at that time, or the Lakers' first Ring. But it happened. But the odds, statistics and history at the time did NOT predict it in any way shape or form. And the only "trend" or "indicator" in the way of 3peats is a solitary coach, who's done it THREE times and is trying for his fourth. (60's Celtics prior indicator and never matched since.)

Excuse me: first Ring for being in LA.

We'll get there someday, FCM.

"Irrelevant to this season.

Posted by: Bay to LA | January 25, 2011 at 04:48 PM
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Not if you study history.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | January 25, 2011 at 04:55 PM "

Nope. If the Lakers win this year, it won't be because they won in 2009 or 2010. It will be because they played better than the teams that faced them. Sure, the championship experience is a valuable asset to them but they still have to outplay the other teams and that is what it will come down to. The road to the championship is not a constant. What is needed to win a championship can vary greatly from year to year. Otherwise every team would always rest on their laurels and repeat the next season and sports would be a plot-less exercise.

In recent years, the Lakers, Spurs, and Celtics, among others, have lost to teams with much less clout and playoff experience than they had. History may say they should have won, but they did not. So forgive me for not thinking they are guaranteed a prize without hard work and execution this year.

"Bay to LA - yeah, I don't recall you being anything but polite and well-spoken. And as far as the past being predictive: statistics and trends ARE useful as tendency indicators (or what is quantum mechanics for, where everything is a probable and nothing is a "for sure"?), but are, as you've pointed out, NEVER absolute, either in the world of physics or the world of sports.

It's the unknowns that make it fun. Having one of the greatest scorers and bball players of all time go down and have to retire after the first run of the season would NEVER have predicted a 33 game win streak (slaughtering the old record), or the best season record at that time, or the Lakers' first Ring. But it happened. But the odds, statistics and history at the time did NOT predict it in any way shape or form. And the only "trend" or "indicator" in the way of 3peats is a solitary coach, who's done it THREE times and is trying for his fourth. (60's Celtics prior indicator and never matched since.)

Posted by: 63 Footer | January 25, 2011 at 05:13 PM "

Thank you. As for your comments about nothing being absolute, that's exactly what I am getting at. If it was so easy to predict sports outcomes based on history, I think we would all be professional gamblers :)

Bay to LA,

Whats the historical stat on teams going to the finals for the 4th straight time to win their 3rd ring in a row?

"Bay to LA,

Whats the historical stat on teams going to the finals for the 4th straight time to win their 3rd ring in a row?

Posted by: Magia32 | January 25, 2011 at 05:22 PM "

Haha. Good point.

Mark Medina,

I was joking about being confused. I actually thought your title was witty.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

The Outlaw,

We both know that cowards change their handles regularly.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

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Heavenly Father, we ask you to please to watch over our Lakers tonight...
Please keep our boys motivated and focused...
Please keep everyone free from injury...
Please make the referees call a fair and consistent game...
Bless our team, coaching staff, front office and owners, for they bring us much joy...
Bless Mark Medina for giving us a forum to unload our Lakerholism...
Bless the '27'...and our wonderful Laker Blog, and our Laker Family...

We ask this in your name, and thank you for our blessings...AMEN

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Due to my business being very busy lately, this will be my last post of Roll Call...I'm so happy the seeds I planted in last year's quarter, is now bearing fruit for harvest...at the same time, it saddens me that I won't be able to spend as much time on our wonderful blog...

Mamba24 should be back by the Celtics game this Sunday...

Till then...#17 Coming Up Baybee!!!

LEWSTRS,

Amen.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Kay, who has multiple handles? i don't. Jon K don't.

i think the reason people have multiple handles is that they have been thoroughly discredited/banned.

am i wrong? If you want us to work that hard at figuring out who you are, you apparently need validation. if you need validation that bad, you must want us to know who you are. I am wrong?

If I am, i apologize. at least, i will apologize once i figure out who I am supposed to apologize to.

Amen

"Please keep our boys motivated and focused...
Please keep everyone free from injury..."

Yes... key for the remainder of the entire season.


Not once did a PJ Three-Peat team own the overall #1 seed. The '93 Bulls were second in the East, 3rd overall. The '98 Bulls tied the Jazz with 62 wins, but did not have HCA in the NBA Finals. The '02 Lakers finished 3rd in the Western Conference, the only conference that mattered. So it's going to be tough no matter what, certainly less tough with HCA, but definitely quite doable. All I care about is good HEALTH and that we have PHIL JACKSON as our coach because Phil Jackson Knows Three-Peats! I don't care about last year's seeding or the competition this season. I stand by the proposition that only the LAKERS can beat the LAKERS! I believe in HEALTH an I believe that HISTORY repeats itself.

So for Bay to LA, Magia32, hobbitmage, multi-troll (PSP) and all the rest of you frightened little naysayers, please continue to rejoice in your little cesspool of negativity while REAL Lakers fans continue to rejoice in our back-to-back championships, continue to hold our heads high and remain DEFIANTLY confident ..... AS ALL LAKERS FANS SHOULD. Maybe if you continue transmitting your negative vibes, the team will give you what you want: the right to say "I told you so." That is what you want, isn't it?

MVP888- you ain't doing it for me, sorry.

you need to work on a bit of love

@LRob -

hahahaha...Sabulla...how fitting...nice one

here is my reply....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktdFm7xNJow

So many good old bloggers rarely posts these days. MVP888, seriously you are ruining this blog community. It used to be so much fun amidst all the trolls.

MVP888- you ain't doing it for me, sorry.

you need to work on a bit of love

Posted by: phred | January 25, 2011 at 06:18 PM
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I love the ones I'm with, phred. I've never done it for you. Remember? You either skim or skip me. You actually prefer reading yellofever's posts, which tells me everything I need to know about you. You remember that post, don't you?

Please NEVER suggest to me again what I need to work on because I have never read anything of substance from you that has enriched my life as a Lakers fan or taught me a damn thing. You choose your friends and I'll choose mine. I could care less about trying to spread love to a bunch of thankless, unsophisticated "fans." That may be YOUR Lakers blogosphere, pal. Not mine. Never has been. Never will be. So have fun with the 43 Internal Trolls. They seem to fit your definition of "love" a lot more than my rational thinking. Enjoy!

PSP

I could care less. If the majority of Lakers fans in this blog can't do anything but spew negativity toward a team that has taken us to 3 straight NBA Finals including back-to-back championships, then is it really ME who needs to look in the mirror? And I'M the one who is being asked to show some "love?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUqGL4yI-jk

MM,

Assuming you're thinking about banning me for the conversations with
KobeMVP888, ... Do whatever you need to do.

To Everybody else,

I was wondering if I'd seem some posts I'd missed that included stats....

OK. Here's hoping everyone, including Bynum, has a great game.

[ I specifically wanted to mention Bynum. Notice how I didn't mention
one of the the greatest shooting guards of all time .... Just trying to keep
in-line with the new blog laws as generated by our attorney. ]

Jim Goldstein goes to over 100 games a season.

I'm sooooo jealous.

FYI, he's the cook who sits next to Jack Nicholson.

43? 27? what the *((#? you guys are on the what?


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