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Five things to take away from Lakers' 99-92 loss to the Clippers

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1. The four ejections in the Lakers' 99-92 loss to the Clippers wasn't warranted. I already noted the details surrounding the ejections involving Ron Artest, Lamar Odom, Baron Davis and Blake Griffin. Here's the Cliffs Notes version: Odom took offense to Griffin remaining competitive and chippy with the result all but official. Davis tried to intervene, but the situation only escalated. Then Artest pulled Odom from the scrum itself.

No one should've gotten ejected, but there's a mixed bag on who's to blame. I can understand Odom's frustration level, but his argument that Griffin's chippiness when the game was pretty much over was inappropriate is misguided. The Lakers lost to the Clippers because they collectively lost that attitude. Griffin's not showboating so much as he's trying to set the tone on how to properly compete and frankly after getting pushed around for three quarters.

"It's just the right thing to do," Bryant told reporters in defense of Griffin. "You have to play all the way through. You play until the final buzzer sounds. That's the way I grew up playing. Blake just ran through us. We didn't have anybody that was going to put up a stand."

That being said, Odom has every right to stand up for himself, although his jersey tug was a little too much. Both made it clear this spat wasn't leading to anything verbal, considering Odom kept a comfortable distance while jabbing and Griffin simply raised his hands up.

That's why it was completely unnecessary for Davis to run cross-court and intervene. This might go a long way in the Clippers' locker room and Griffin may feel appreciated for Davis sticking up for him. But it looked from a neutral perspective that Davis wanted to be the hero over something that really wasn't a big deal. It became more serious once he stepped in because it involved Davis pushing Odom, who in turn put his hand on Davis' arm.

Because of the heightened tension, there was nothing wrong with Artest getting involved. He had zero contact with any of the Clippers and he only pulled Odom away from the scrum so things wouldn't get worse. Unfortunately for Artest, his reputation as a dirty player hurt his cause in this case.

All in all, it was an ugly end to an otherwise disappointing Lakers' finish.

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2. The Lakers folded in the fourth quarter.Off an inbounds pass, Clippers guard Eric Gordon hit a three-pointer just as the third quarter ended. Just like Shannon Brown's 60-foot heave to end the third quarter proved to be the spark that led the Lakers to an 87-86 victory Dec. 8 over the Clippers, so to did Gordon's third quarter carry a momentum swing into the final period.

For all the problems the Lakers demonstrated in their previous matchup against the Clippers, they at least showed how veteran experience prevails in late-game plays. Those included Bryant jumpers, Artest steals and of course, Derek Fisher's game-winner.

In this case, however, the Lakers simply folded. The Lakers shot 37.5% in the final quarter, allowed the Clippers to score 10 points in the paint and had no answer for Griffin and Gordon. Foye and Gordon hit consecutive three-pointers. Foye blocked Fisher's three-pointer. Griffin owned Gasol on a postup and then baited him into trying to draw a charge on consecutive possessions. Davis and Griffin ran a perfect screen-and-roll with Gasol and Fisher not switching properly. And Gordon appeared to seal the deal when his steal on Bryant led to a fast-break dunk that put the Clippers up 92-85 with 2:08 remaining. It all amounted to the Clippers outscoring the Lakers, 31-21, in the fourth quarter

3. The Clippers simply outworked the Lakers

With how much length and talent the Lakers have, Clippers Coach Vinny Del Negro argued his team could only remain competitive if scored what he called "easy baskets," ranging anywhere from second=chance points, transition buckets and close-range shots. Well, despite holding Griffin to a three of 12 clip through three quarters, the Clippers found themselves in the game because of scoring those easy baskets. DeAndre Jordan and Ike Diogu combined for 20 first-half rebounds because the Lakers simply failed to box out and thought they could afford to cut corners. Gordon dropped 30 points on 13 of 20 shooting because rarely was he denied baseline penetration, Artest couldn't keep up with his quickness and the Clippers often ran cross matches during runouts to make it hard for the Lakers to properly mark them. And the Clippers took advantage of their 50-45 rebounding advantage and the Lakers' 12 turnovers into 21 fast-break points. In a game that clearly showed a talented and experienced team struggling to keep up with a young, hungry and quick team, the Clippers dominated these variables simply because of desire.

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4.  Bryant played efficiently, while Derek Fisher forced shots

With exception to his one of seven mark from three-point range, Bryant played with remarkable efficiency, scoring 27 points on eight of 17 shooting. It's part of a four-game where Bryant has shot 36 of 67 (53.7%) and shown a perfect balance between controlling the offense and setting up others when appropriate. Usually matched up against Gordon, Bryant showed remarkable patience in finding a sliver of space to throw him off balance and nail an open jumper. But that doesn't mean he avoided playing aggressively. He drove to the rack and went 10 of 13 from the line. And his five assists came on a few effective feeds, including one where Gasol cut across the lane and a lob to Andrew Bynum.

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On the other hand, Fisher's one of eight mark continued a poor stretch where he's gone three of 18 in the past three games. I've staunchly defended Fisher even during bad performances, arguing how it's necessary to weigh his locker room clout and ability to turn it on come playoff time. But his game against the Clippers were too much. Too many of his shots were rushed, contested and otherwise out of the context of the offense, traits that surely don't set a good example for the rest of the team..

5. It's uncertain whether the Lakers are ready for their tougher schedule

The good thing about the Lakers' current loss to the Clippers: They immediately can forget about this loss and focus on Monday's game against Oklahoma City. The bad thing about the Lakers' loss to the Clippers: The Lakers begin the rougher portion of their schedule that features within the next two weeks games against the Thunder, Dallas Mavericks, Denver Nuggets, Utah Jazz and Boston Celtics. The Lakers haven't shown a definitive pattern on whether they truly measure up with the league's elite, with poor efforts against Miami, Utah, Chicago and Denver and impressive finishes against Portland, Chicago and New York. Gasol didn't exactly provide a ringing endorsement on how the Lakers will measure up against tougher competition.

"I'm not sure," Gasol said. We will find out as we go through those games how ready we really are. We thought we were ready for the Miami game and we got our butt kicked. It's a matter of stepping on the court and getting the job done."

--Mark Medina

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Photo: Referee James Capers holds back Lakers forwards Ron Artest (15) and Lamar Odom as Clippers guard Randy Foye (4) and forward Ryan Gomes hold back power forward Blake Griffin, left, after a scuffle in the final seconds of the game Sunday afternoon at Staples Center. Odom, Griffin, Artest and Baron Davis were ejected. Credit: Gus Ruelas / Associated Press

Photo: Lakers power forward Pau Gasol tries to stop Clippers power forward Blake Griffin from working his way into the lane in the second half Sunday afternoon at Staples Center. Credit: Barbara Davidson / Los Angeles Times

Photo: Lakers power forward Pau Gasol tries to stop Clippers power forward Blake Griffin from working his way into the lane in the second half Sunday afternoon at Staples Center. Credit: Barbara Davidson / Los Angeles Times

Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant drives for a layup against the Clippers in the first half Sunday afternoon at Staples Center. Credit: Barbara Davidson / Los Angeles Times

 
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Five things to take away, how about one. A POINT GUARD.

Comments that express hope that a player gets hurt won't be tolerated. Criticize the performance but don't express ill will on a person

Wow.

The boys simply were outworked and outhustled. There is no way that DeAndre Jordan should EVER get 2 easy put-back dunks in a game against us.

Ryan Gomes, Laker Killer? Dude looked like John Stockton out there.

Can somebody PLEASE cover Eric Gordon? Please!

Our seven footers should never be pushed around like that. NEVER!

Tomorrow better be a win, because OKC ain'y gonna pull any punches.


Peace out!

DBDH!

Yeap, Fish forced some shots out there...No good. For a guy as experienced as he is, I was surprised...

I've never deleted any person's comments unless they were personal attacks that stepped out of bounds within the realm of good taste. It's never been about favortism so much as just following the rules. The comments criticizing my work will remain up there because it's not personal. That being said, I'm sorry you guys feel this way about the blog. If you have any specific feedback on how to make things better, feel free to share your ideas

Looks like our "Mr. Diversity" is back again, posting under multiple clever (in his own mind) nom-de-blogs, having conversations with his own multiple personalities. Dude, who do you think you're fooling? Get professional help. Seriously.

Memephis Chalker - Contrary to my personal opinion on the live chat? I've always said Silver Screen and Roll is good. I link to them on a daily basis. I don't take it personal if you like their work more than mine.

Memephis - I deleted your posts about Gasol when they were personal attacks. Simple as that. This argument is really going nowhere...

27 bloggers - I have taken constructive criticism well. In fact I actually thrive on it. Since I started last year, I think the blog has improved tremendously. That doesn't mean I don't think there's still lots of room to grow but I have tried to do different items of interest based on the feedback all of you guys give me.

You've gone too far, MM. There's no reason to start deleting posts, and then chastise me like I was some damn child. You seem to bow down to your "favorites" here, especially Jon K. Whatever he says, you do. That's weak.

This blog isn't a real sports blog. It's a social club for Laker cheerleaders to come by and shake their pom poms and call anybody with a critical view a "troll".

MM caters only to his favorites here. It's as pathetic as that stupid Reader Comment of the Day BS, which again, only features one of MM's flock of favorites.

Whatever, dude. This blog sucks. But I won't let this "moderator" push me away. I was here before MM, so screw that. I'm letting MY ideas be known, too. I have that right.

By the way, I stand by 100% what I said about Fish. Period. End of story.

Derek Fisher sucks. The team is better off without him, however that may come to be.

Read MM's little message and you'll figure out what I mean.

Troy - I didn't chastise you. I didn't even call anyone out by name. But it's made very clear in the regulations that wishing injury upon a player or ill will goes beyond criticizing their performance. Criticize Fisher all you want for how he played tonight. He deserves it. But to say you wish for him to suffer a significant injury crosses the line

I didn’t watch the game live, but I followed along the play by play online. Seems like we fell apart late. I’m not going to base this assertion on one loss, though; I’m seeing some criticism of Kobe on here that I think is partially valid.

No, Kobe should not retire.

But in my mind and I think a lot of people’s mind on here that we knew going into this season that Kobe would need to make some adjustments in his game to accommodate his advancing age, especially on defense. He also needs to keep his focus on staying within the triangle offense and utilizing the Lakers frontcourt that has an advantage over every other frontcourt in the league when Bynum is healthy and a lot of the time when he isn’t. He has a reluctance to defer to big guys since he got rid of Shaq and a tendency to make some low percentage perimeter shots.

I don’t mean to pile on and I say this with the knowledge that Kobe has been there in the past when we needed his last minute heroics and is still the best offensive player on the team.

I don’t think we lost this game because of Kobe, although I base this not on my knowledge of the details of this game and more on my knowledge of how Lakers basketball works. Of course, I don’t know who was the primary defender on Eric Gordon, but if it was Kobe he has some work to do on defense.

Regarding perimeter defense- this has more to do with effort and focus. We can do it very well when we have to, for a while, as we showed in Game Seven in locking down the C’s for most of the second half. I don’t exactly blame the players on this either, as Phil and the coaching staff have been fairly open about the fact that they feel that the three point shot over the course of a playoff series is a low percentage shot and another team that depends on it will eventually pay the price. This has borne out in every playoff series over at least the last two years, and I think in 2008 also, because we lost to a Celtic team that definitely did not rely on 3 point shooting. Also, in the unlikely event that we play the Clippers in the playoffs, I can handle that the Clippers will win if Eric Gordon shoots 12-20 every game. I don’t think it’ll happen though. In that respect, I agree with Phil and the coaches.

I wish you guys would stop responding to S Perkins. The guy is an unrepentant troll whose mission on the blog is to endlessly bash Derek Fisher. He seem to have no end to his free time and no desire to contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. I didn’t see the comment that earned Jon K. a reprimand from FCM, either but since I’m pretty sure S Perkins is D Fish, who went way over the line in his attacks on Jon K. this summer, and he has never apologized or made any effort to get along with people on here, I have a hard time not taking sides in this one.


Re ejections; I don’t know what happened exactly. However, I think you make ejections in most games to put a handle on players when you think something is going to get out of control, I’m not sure what the value is when the game is basically over.

I don’t believe in blog hierarchies or seniority or anything like that. However, I think it is unlikely that I or justa have ruined this blog, as we have been around here way longer than FCM or ouchhh and his various personalities that keep getting banned for personal attacks.

Re number of comments after a game, as someone who has been here since 2007, the number of people posting comments has been much higher since FCM came here. If the number of comments was a goal of the Times, I’m sure that there are a couple of trolls on here who would be perfectly happy to post 40 or 50 personally after each game, but the number of people reading the comments or showing any loyalty at all to this blog would drop to a very negligible number, say maybe two or three.

I shudder to think of the attention to detail or expenditure of energy that would lead anybody to select precisely 27 people to blame for whatever flaws he finds in this blog.

Now that I think about it, if ruining the blog meant driving off everybody who felt that I or anybody had ruined the blog, I will happily ruin the blog.

I have to ask. If you don’t like Mark Medina, and you don’t like the majority of people who post here regularly, why exactly do you insist on having a stake in this blog to begin with? This blog is based on the writing of Mark Medina, and as a subset it features a community of contributors who by and large write for the interest and edification of their fellow members. Come to think of it, given the extremely small number of people (and their comments) who are dissatisfied with it, they are probably better off sticking to their guns and only talking to the people who think the way they do, namely just sitting at home yelling at their mirrors and nodding approvingly.

‘You talking to me? You talking to me? You must be talking to me, I’m the only one here. And yeah, I agree, Derek Fisher and Pau Gasol suck. They are wrecking this Laker team. The Laker team of the last two years, they made a significant contribution to winning the title, but this Laker team."

troy,

Mark Medina and I get along... that by no way means he "bows down" to me. He has chastised me plenty of times when he has thought that I've over-stepped my position.

What I don't understand so many trolls out there feel it is okay to attack a blogger, a player, anyone with vitriolic emotionality and then when challenged claim "victim." It's beyond idiotic.

Troy, if you don't like Derek Fisher's contribution to the Lakers, explain why in a coherent, logical way that supports rational argument. Screaming, "DEREK FISHER SUCKS!!!" is beyond stupid... and it's even worse if you are offended by people challenging you on such a statement.

You are not in this blog alone. It has become a community... and you should think how your communication is received by others.

It's not just about you.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Fisher is pretty consistent with his 1-6/2-7 kind of performance lol

Phred....I've been saying pretty much the same things as you said in your post above. "DFish and Pau are ruining the Lakers's season! " It's a giving that the loss to the teams that work harder than our Lakers are quite disturbing to all the fans. It's up to Mitch and PJ to buck these troubling trends that have been quite noticeable for a while now this season. With respect to comments on MM's so- called censorship of over the line comments/ Personally, everyone has the rights to post how they feel, me included, but I do agree that they must be a limited on a certain comments that over the line. Nevertheless, there should be a fair and impartial process to ensure that only repeated abusers got booted. We're all got emotionally depressed and upset sometimes when our team was playing poorly and might said something that they really didn't mean. I often disagree with MM and other bloggers on thorny issues such as calling Pau soft. But most of the time, I'd never take their negative response personally because I know that the main reasons they either agree or disagree with me because they care about the team.

One thing that I hope MM learn from today is never respond to trolls' comments. By doing so, it can only get worst. Let them (trolls) use this blog to trash the entire team or certain individual player(s) that are not doing what they're paid to do. I have no problem with these negative comments whatsoever!! Trolls are an important part of this blog community too!!! They have the right to post what they have in their mind. If anyone got offend by their remarks, just don't read them..

MM you said:
"But his game against the Clippers were too much. Too many of his shots were rushed, contested and otherwise out of the context of the offense, traits that surely don't set a good example for the rest of the team"

thank you! you finally saw what i've been seein all season long.. lets not forget lakers still had the game under control and were still up 79-78 at the 5:31 mark in the 4th (though trying to fight off a clipper barrage of 3s by eric gordon and foye) when low and behold DFISH checked in... lets just say for the rest of the game dfish barely made a dent in the action.

0 pts 0-1 FG (had his shot blocked) 0 assts 0 rbs..

again phil inexplicably turns to dfish with heavy minutes (dfish 30min shannon18min blake 16min)which makes no sense against a young running team w/ speedy guards like the clips.

oh and i dont blame blake nor lamar one bit for overreacting.. blakes was just playin his game givin reckless abandon on every possession which i admire and and for lamar it was ABOUT TIME somebody stood up and got chippy after our bigs were getting completely dominated in the paint.. and in one sequence in the 4th qtr blake bullied pau for 3 straight easy baskets downlow (layup foul AND ONE 2X then layup after unsuccessful pau flop which was completely embarrasing to watch as a lakerfan.. personally i dont know why phil assigned artest on gordon instead of blake

nba better review the tape and rescind the tech on artest who was doing nothing but pulling lamar away... the real instigator was baron davis who shouldve been the only one ejected.. these nba refs are makin a fool out of themselves night in and night out and dont even get a slap on the wrist.. you wanna see a joke just watch a heat game when sterns two favorites puppets lebron and dwade take turn driving the paint... TOUCHFOUL WHISTLE TOUCHFOUL WHISTLE TOUCHFOUL WHISTLE! until these refs are held accountable with some form of checks and balances system in place the NBA WILL ALWAYS BE A JOKE.. of course that will never happen with the corrupted dictator antichrist DAVID STERN as commish.. its always been all about the $$$$$$$$$$$ with stern.

THE NBA.. where CORRUPTION HAPPENS... all the time.

What the hell is going on in here?

Can't believe we blew a 13pt lead to lose by 7. Our big men need to step it up and we need to start guarding the perimeter and stop jacking up 3s

end of it.

@Jon K - I'm deleting your personal attacks. I've already told you before.

@Intangibles - You're banned. You're obviously just trying to agitate.

yello- Come on, don’t quote out of context. FCM was very fair about identifying which players did well and which didn’t. And he quite reasonably put Kobe in the middle with the good and the bad. However, he definitely didn’t single out Derek Fisher as you imply.

Fisher, Blake and Brown all had abysmal games for shooting from the field. About the only thing I can say to defend any of them is that we have done very well in the past with Fisher and Brown shooting dismally from the field, and I have a hunch that Blake might come along in a while. He has the right attitude about playing helpfully, and hasn’t really had enough practice with the triangle and the Lakers way of doing things. He will end up being more useful than Farmar or Sasha, I have no doubt.

We don’t ask for much from the PG, but what we do ask for, Fish has always done well. Five rings worth of well. We keep bringing in guys like Tyronn Lue, Gary Payton, Smush Parker, Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown and Steve Blake, and Fish keeps the starting spot and he keeps winning when it counts. He has his flaws, but he must be doing something right.

FCM- it doesn’t look good when the guy you banned has a comment right below the one where you banned him. Perhaps banning IP addresses isn’t quite enough. Perhaps some sort of electromagnetic pulse than hits that IP address and hits it hard enough to cause permanent damage to the personal regions of the person in question? What, the technology doesn’t exist? Well, I have to say I see a market there should somebody try to develop such a thing.


FCM- I don't understand BlackBerry, and I don't have AT&T. Has your email been seized by the dark side?

"What the hell is going on in here? Can't believe we blew a 13pt lead to lose by 7. Our big men need to step it up and we need to start guarding the perimeter and stop jacking up 3s end of it."

Posted by: Diandra | January 17, 2011 at 12:08 AM

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Yeah! What she said.

5 things I learned

1. Griffin is too strong for Odom and Gasol and the Lakers are lucky the kid is a rookie and they won't see the Clippers in the playoffs.
2. Point guard play is killing the Lakers. Fisher has no offense and is a liability on defense. So far Blake is not an upgrade on Farmer. At 36 Fisher just may be done and this playoffs will confirm it. I hope not but I have a sinking feeling that is so.
3. Gasol is so soft it hurts. After playing 10 years in the league he should know by now there are games that you have to put forth a little extra effort. He seems to think is normal game will get him by most nights and that just not the case anymore when people think you are soft.
4. Drew is coming along quite nicely but I am concerned about his long term future. He still seems to be dragging that leg around. He only 23 and he should heal quicker than that.
5. Kobe has the best footwork in the game period. I know that is nothing new but just watch Kobe's footwork if you are a basketball lover. Their is nobody better at creating angles and space on offense.

I HATE NBA REFS... (part deux)

stern knows where the $$$$ is... he has turned turned this league into an international multibillion dollar corporation. if he sees STAR POTENTIAL in a player then he will make sure his pathetic cronies of referres will back him 100% with plenty of whistles and most benefit of calls.

it all started with MJ who was *THE* most untouchable player in the paint in the history of the nba.. kobe was supposed to be the heir to the throne but unfortunately colorado happened.. since then it has been dwade (the most falsely manufactured superstar in recent history who was handed a ring) and now lebron (sterns mickey mouse) and most recently durant..

PLS NOTE ALL 3 are coincidentally leading the league in FT behind dwight (the only true center and have been for much of their careers.... STATS DONT LIE.. see for urself.

2010-11 season FT ATTEMPTED PER GAME LEADERS
1. dwight- 11.1
2. wade- 9.1
3. durant- 8.9
4. lebron- 8.7
dwight i understand makin his living in the paint.. durant is also his teams MAIN OPTION.. but it completely blows my mind how dwade and lebron can be league leaders this season when they are both on the same team.

2009-2011 season
1.durant- 10.2
2. lebron- 10.2
3. dwight -10
4 dwade- 9.1
** the year durant got on the map.

i could go on and on... even get into their playoffs stats where their career averages tend to go up even higher.

FCM- yeah, I think you get where I’m coming from. Bearing in mind that my ‘gasoline on the fire” didn’t even get posted

Troy- yup, I was here back then too.

“I don’t believe in blog hierarchies or seniority or anything like that. However, I think it is unlikely that I or justa have ruined this blog, as we have been around here way longer than FCM or ouchhh and his various personalities that keep getting banned for personal attacks.”

I know you are a reasonably person. You know that I don’t have a problem with honest criticism. There are too many posts here that hide under the shield of making honest criticism and settle for trying to push people around. I promise, I will always defend your right to say what you want as long as you don’t attack anybody. I think you know I mean that.

Diandra and frmrkt- I agree that better perimeter defense is a good idea. I don’t think it’s going to happen until the games matter though.

yello- thanks for posting something about a subject we can all take on. Yeah, while I don't think it is as simple as calling contact in the paint differently, there is something going on with the refs RE Kobe. It really looks like he gets no superstar treatment when you look at the FT numbers.

hi phred

didnt realize i was quoting MM out of context.. just got a little carried away i guess when i saw MM devote an entire 1 THING of his usual "5 things to take away" on dfish... just sayin overdue and much deserved!

yello- it's just that 'seven or so PGs have been less successful than Fish and his five rings thing.' I can't get behind attacks on Fish. We get Nash or Billups, I could see him coming off the bench. And I bet he would kick van gundy coming off the bench, rallying his teammates, being a locker room inspiration, and making clutch shots when he had to.

What does FCM mean?

Diandra- Funky Cold Medina. FCM puts up with it.

ugly, ugly night.

i thought i just saw an ouchhhhhh post... am i seeing things or did MM just delete it? i sure do miss havin that guy around...

Another loss to an underated team,the pressure is on,let us see how good this present laker team is.

yello- ouchhh threatened me personally and attacked me personally. Maybe you should get in contact with the guy to plead more forgiveness and try to be a decent blog member.

The trolls only come out when the Lakers lose. I hardly noticed any of them during our 7 game winning streak

Phred- point taken. If I could I would.. Not a fan of personal attacks on bloggers myslef and frankly wished he could keep them out of his repertoire but his personal attacks on the the players was pure entertainment and the part I miss most.

As far as MM I know its no easy task being a blog moderator and he's tryin his best which I respect but its also important to try and remain objective to all parties (including the so called half empty club) if u will no matter what the circumstance... Life aint always about sunshine rainbows n unicorns if you know what I mean. :-)

I have no problem with NoDFish. He;s a champion
and will show up, when it's time.
As for the Laker reserves, they are not championship
material.
Blake goes weeks, not just games, w/o scoring a point
and plays little D.
Brown is far too inconsistant for a guy who jacks up over
10 shots a game and he is the worst defender in the league.
The Lakers were pulling away in the 3rd Q, up by 12,
when Brown and Blake entered the game.
We cannot win the championship with these guys geting more
than a few mins per game.
Phil should know better.

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Jon K et al

First of all, I regret attacking MM as I did. My words came out from my frustration of not being able to trash my Lakers when they deserve it. I have always supported (and have written in that regard) about how well MM has been doing. He's a knowledgeable writer, more so than the previous moderators. However, he has a vision for this blog that I don't share.

This blog should be a lively outlet for Laker fans to voice frustration, even if the words are a bit poisonous. Take that away, and you have a blog that just sits on the table looking nice, PC, and pretty. There is no substance, no meat, no passion.

Basketball players trash talk all the time, in practice, in actual games, in pickup games. Same thing applies to patrons in sports bar, or just watching a game with family and friends. It's a part of the culture of sports, to get down and dirty and have fun with it. A basketball blog should at least allow for a small bit of that same juice to flow. Blogs should be passionate and lively, fiery at times. A visit to a sports blog should get your blood boiling. This blog fails in that regard. It has gotten to the point to where everything written is predicable. Everything offered is of the same flavor.

In my opinion, there's too much PC moderating going on. I don't care about blog cheerleaders, trolls, or pessimist fans (like myself) going at it. It's fun for JUSTA or PHRED to get on my case because I'm too negative. At the end of the day, we're all just fans cheering our Lakers, and I think we respect each other as fans.

I like the diversity and I like the polite flames we zing each other with sometimes. But LET those zings exist. Let fans get it off their chests. Let us have some fun instead of being so super sensitive about everything, especially towards NBA players who could honestly give a damn about what us fans have to say anyway.

Phred-

You know my style. I NEVER attack a fellow blogger. I only go after players. You also know how much I love our Lakers.

I'm not feeling this Lakers season and more importantly, neither is the team. I've written before here about the lack of Championship DNA exhibited to date and nothing has changed.

The Clippers wanted it more. How many times (fill in the blank name of the team) have we seen this? Too often. This is a joyless trudge to another Finals that seems to mean more to us fans than the Lakers players.

The excitement seems to be everywhere else. The value of a ring seems to be everywhere else. The quest to build the next Dynasty seems to be everywhere else, rather than on how to extend this one that the Lakers already own.

A change has gotta come.

A change has gotta come.

Posted by: Rick Friedman | January 17, 2011 at 06:58 AM

My votes in for a Fisher change. I don't wish or want him to get hurt, but dang, how bout a overslept to miss a game day flight or a stuck in traffic to miss a game thing. Or how about simply manning up, a la Luke and telling Phil to start Blake from now on.
In the beginning of the season when Blake was getting more minutes
he was playing very well, but now that his minutes have been down
his confidence has been crushed.
Happens to many good shooters that sign to play on the Lakers bench.

I can only imagine the doomsday posts that were in here last practice season when the Lakers played like crap. Actually, they did a lot of good things yesterday and it was a predictable loss anyway. And what's with the internal trolls whining because they feel slighted about not being able to wish serious injury on their favorite Laker to hate and bash? How would you like people to wish injury on you? MM is simply deferring to basic human decency. God forbid.

Utz, your thoughts.

1-2-3 RING! #17 coming up STRONG!!

Btw is there a different set of rules for fisher?
How come when Fisher gets beat by his man every game, it's swept under the rug like, eh Fisher is a great team defensive guys
but when Kobe, Artest, Bynum, Gasol and Odom get beat by their men, it's called
They're old,slow, soft or Odumb.

Good Morning Laker Fam,


A tough loss yesterday. It always stings a little more when you blow a double digit lead. Today officially starts the tough stretch of the Lakers schedule. I'm looking forward to it because either it'll bring out the best in the Lakers, or will highlight the weaknesses enough to force changes. BTW the Lakers are 7-1 in back to back games, however, most of those games were against non playoff teams.


The song I'm rolling with on this day celebrated as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday is...


King Dream Chorus - King Holiday.

I forgot how many incredible people song/rapped on this one. Whitney Houston, Run DMC, Whodini, Menudo, New Edition, Kurtis Blow, Melle Mel, JT Taylor, Stephanie Mills, Stacy Lattislaw, Fat Boys, Lisa Lisa, Full Force, El Debarge. Just like the MVP at the All-Star game, Whitney outshined the rest here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W60HOBE_49A&feature=related

@Friedman – Regarding other teams wanting it more. It’s hard to have the same hunger after winning back to back titles. I remember the Showtime Lakers once lost 7 or 8 straight road games. If a change is necessary Phil and the FO will certainly make it.


@troy – Kudos on manning up with an apology. Venting and ripping is all good within reason.


@Mamba – Thanks for the roll call. What’s your musical selection this morning?


I'm beginning to wonder if Steve Blake just signed up to come along for the ride. If this is the same guy that dumped a triple double on the Lakers last year he needs to reach inside and find himself.

At this point in the season I thought people would be screaming for Blake to be starting over Fish but what's the point, he just hasn't played any better than Fish, if anything he is slightly worse.

That's a big disappointment to a signing everyone thought was going to be a big upgrade.

What is it about this team and back up point guards; something in their heads emanating from team chemistry or maybe practice and the role they are expected to play???

I think it's time to really rag on Blake for a while.
When Ron started getting ragged on several weeks ago about his crappy play he suddenly started playing better.

"I like the diversity and I like the polite flames we zing each other with sometimes. But LET those zings exist. Let fans get it off their chests. Let us have some fun instead of being so super sensitive about everything, especially towards NBA players who could honestly give a damn about what us fans have to say anyway.

Posted by: troy | January 17, 2011 at 06:39 AM"

Troy, polite flames and legitimate criticisms of the team aren't what has been happening lately and what has caused MM to go postal. I've been posting here a long time and I don't recall, even in the Mike Teniente days that we've had the incessant maliciousness and non-stop blog-spamming that has been happening lately. There's an obsessiveness to some of these posters and their targetting of not just players but also specific posters that needs to be stopped. You just can't scroll past their venomous cuckoo posts fast enough and still make sense of the thread.

Furthermore, it's completely bogus to charge that the regulars are only "cheerleaders and pom-pom wavers". Every one of the regulars that I see from justa to Mamba24 to Laker Tom, etc. have posted critical comments or vented from time to time. The difference is that those kinds of posts aren't the ONLY posts they ever make.

Bottom line...it's not "27 bloggers who ruin this blog", it's the few nutcases who post nothing but negative posts 27 (or more) times on the same thread who ruin it.

OK, we get it...you don't like Fish/Pau/Phil/Kobe/Lamar/MM/the rest of us/or...the fact you're not considered one of the 27 and you're steaming, hot, crazy jealous, and ticked off that you're not...

DVR Dog days of the NBA.

R Friedman isn't feeling the season. Well put, as usual, I'm not either. Question is, is it us or them? THat depends on your definition of the word "is".

Somewhere in the dark recesses of the "fan" side of the brain, the question no fan wants to ask, lurks. Can these guys turn it on when they want to? There's considerable evidence to the negative side of that question.

Somebody here think they didn't want to beat Miami at home? How 'bout San Antonio and the now cross town rivals?

Time for them to wake up, step up, man up and prove to us and more importantly the league et al, that they can and WILL. Today would be a good day to begin.

GO Lakers.

Wow, Lakers losses sure do have a way of making for some interesting reading on the blog the next day! Here's to a win tonight against the Thunder to help restore harmony to the universe.
Phred, nice win in fantasy this past week - I thought I had that one!

Talking about Fisher's liabilities has become old hat.
Of course he can't guard the opposition's point guard, of course he can't make his shots consistently. But I'm sure there will come a game or two (he had one already against the Clippers) where he'll make a clutch shot. It's the rest of the season where he simply doesn't hold up. That's the way he has always been.
What to do?
He's not getting cut, traded, benched, or in his case, hurt, he probably has played more games than any other Laker in the squad. So what is there to do? Obviously, nothing. Just play the wait game, until the playoffs, and wait for that clutch moment. But, you can be sure that Fisher's liabilities will at least be responsible for half the team's losses.

"Btw is there a different set of rules for fisher?
How come when Fisher gets beat by his man every game, it's swept under the rug like, eh Fisher is a great team defensive guys
but when Kobe, Artest, Bynum, Gasol and Odom get beat by their men, it's called
They're old,slow, soft or Odumb.

Posted by: Magia32 | January 17, 2011 at 07:36 AM "

The thing I have noticed is that when a point guard has a 25-30 point night on Fisher, people say that Fisher is a team defender and the rest of the team was having rotation issues, yet when a point guard has a bad night, they credit Fisher 100% for it.

I think it's just really hard to find positives in Fisher's play anymore so people have to get creative.

"I'm beginning to wonder if Steve Blake just signed up to come along for the ride. If this is the same guy that dumped a triple double on the Lakers last year he needs to reach inside and find himself.

At this point in the season I thought people would be screaming for Blake to be starting over Fish but what's the point, he just hasn't played any better than Fish, if anything he is slightly worse.

That's a big disappointment to a signing everyone thought was going to be a big upgrade.

What is it about this team and back up point guards; something in their heads emanating from team chemistry or maybe practice and the role they are expected to play???

I think it's time to really rag on Blake for a while.
When Ron started getting ragged on several weeks ago about his crappy play he suddenly started playing better.

Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | January 17, 2011 at 08:27 AM "

The problem is they always have him playing with the 2nd unit. He doesn't aggressively look for his shot and saves it for wide open looks. In the 2nd unit, they are able to stay close to him much more often but with the 1st unit, he'd be wide open all day.

If he was playing with the first team, I think we'd see a lot more production out of him but Fisher would be a disaster with the second unit. I think that is why Phil hasn't made a switch.

At this point in the season I thought people would be screaming for Blake to be starting over Fish but what's the point, he just hasn't played any better than Fish, if anything he is slightly worse.

That's a big disappointment to a signing everyone thought was going to be a big upgrade.

Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | January 17, 2011 at 08:27 AM

Hey, Art, Good Morning. I can't really argue to any point you made about Blake's performance. It's true, the perception of him being a really good 'triangle' guy hasn't met the reality of his play. Please remember, that, perception is not always reality.

Steve has played effectively, outside of his shooting%, a lot of teams have been playing zone, as a consequence, you know this already, the ball has to move around, he's done a good job of reading what the defense gives him.

More to the point about his shot, half the time when you watch him shoot, it looks as if the balls going down, than it rims out. Triangle shooters (guards, wings), especially their % is a crapshoot. B.J. Armstrong, Craig Hodges and Steve Kerr had special regular seasons as far as %, than throughout the course of their respective careers % dipped come playoff time. Robert Horry, Rick Fox, Glen Rice (an exceptional three point specialist) all experienced a crapshoot in this offense from a shooting perspective, regular season and playoffs.

To be frank, there is nothing to be corrected about his shot within the offense, than say, guys like Artest or Barnes. His lift is straight proper, as his release, spacing is pretty good, he'll knock his shots down.

On a side note, I had a dream where he shot 3 three's last night against OKC, merely coincidental, I realize. I'm not ready to micro-criticize Steve yet, we're 30-12 and a couple of those wins were due to Steve's abilities as a point guard to run the offense correctly.

Its hard to figure this years Lakers team. They just seem like they are going through the motions. D Fish is really deteriorating, I don't question his desire or work ethic. PJ needs to make he call. Kobe is still a stud but with bone on bone in his knee he's not the same. Pau is looking so weak when it matters. Maybe its time for a head and facial shave and some tats. He really needs to toughen up. Ron is playing good D but his offensive game is MIA. Odom is having a great year, he is carrying the team. Bynum show flashes of brilliance but then he seems to regress. Until he gets a mean streak and stops being Mr Nice he'll never be a beast. I like Barnes, scrappy well rounded game, Brown & Blake need more consistency. Luke is Luke. Overall, this is a team that seems to be headed in the wrong direction and will have to play much better with a lot more grit and determination if they expect to get out of the 1st round let alone win another title. Hopefully they are saving it for the playoffs somehow but watching this act night after night is frustrating as a fan. Win lose or draw I just want to see the team play hard...not seeing that yet.

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(01) CORNER-J – OWNER - So here's the deal. We true Laker fans are sticking by this team and this coach...no matter what. Maybe their time is indeed over...but maybe it isn't. And you better pray that you're right. Because if our STILL WORLD CHAMPION LOS ANGELES LAKERS do get it together, there is going to be some serious payback happening...both in the playoffs, and on this blog. . I'm on board until the train comes off the tracks...and the only tracks that count are in the playoffs. Carry on, my friends.
(02) JOE CORAD – CO/OWNER - To all the Lakers fans and the Laker haters. until they lose 4 games in the playoffs in any series; The Lakers are the team to beat despite their record. Every other team just wants to catch up. So trolls do enjoy, because surely when the Lakers start winning you all disappear.
(03) PSYCHEDLAKERGIRL – DRIVER - This is not bad. It's a total bummer but as Justa says, we got this.Age is not playing into these defeats. Individuals make up a team but it's the team that falters together. Another month and things will be just fine. SAS has their big rodeo trip and things will change - in the NBA, they always do. Lakers are coming back with the New Year. Go away trolls, we are still integrating new players and one big guy.
(04) RICK FRIEDMAN – DIRECTOR - I'm betting that Phil has chosen to let his team fail enough times, so that they'll actually pay attention when he starts coaching. All these players who think they know it all because they have one or two rings, may finally be waking up this morning ready to listen. Good idea. As for the Kobe bashers, why wouldn't he think a game is on his shoulders when he looks at his team mates on the floor and sees a FAIL sign? No "players only" meeting is needed. No "by-the-book" inspirational speeches by Fish are welcome. Let's get to work, Lakers. If this edition of the team has Championship DNA, let's show it. The ASG will be here in a heartbeat. Which reminds me, a little "heart" would go a long way. Go Lakers!
(05) DICE8UP – CO/DRIVER - Why is fear all of a sudden becomes this blog? It is still December, and this things happens to a team.. especially a back to back champion team...Chillax people.. Go Lakers!!!!
(06) LANCE FROM DA’ BRONX – CO/OWNER - if everything,good or bad is an opportunity,i think that as lakerlovers, we need to act in good faith and give the boys the support and not abandon ship.this is not a matter of one or two players not doing what they have to, this is systemic.bad timing plays a role in this,but as i suggested yesterday, the team is at the bottom of the mountain like every other team
(07) LROB- RIDING SHOTGUN - Wow this is what its like in here when adversity hits. Yes, the Lakers were terrible AGAIN. Yes, if the playoffs started today they’d probably be looking at a first round exit. But there’s plenty of time to get back on track so excuse me if I don't abandon ship. All the Lakers fans that are throwing all the players and coach under the bus, I have a few questions...If you screaming at Kobe today, where you screaming last year when he hit all those game winners? or in the playoffs when he iced Phoenix in gm 6? Or when he scored his other 25,000+ points? If you’ve been dogging Pau lately, where were you when he outplayed KG in the finals last year? Or when he shot 61% and avg 3 blks in the Utah series? If you’ve been ripping on Ron, where were you when he played like a superstar in gm 7 last year? Or when he held Durant to sub 35% shooting. If you’ve been salty on Fish, where were you when he gave Orlando the knockout blow in 09 or owned the 4th quarter in gm3 vs. the C's last year. If you want Phil out, what about the 5 titles he brought? Yes, the team is floundering, but after 3 straight final appearances and back to back championships I would think the Lakers have earned enough goodwill for us to stick with them doing this rough patch.
(08) EDWIN GUECO RIDING SHOTGUN2 - after 40 years following the lakers, i'm not ready to say quits bu6 just hope that talent will come tomorrow or the next game. no need to say any further criticisms because the game speaks for itself. it is not worth to say anything when u witness that all chips are down. just watch and pray that the jinx will be soon be broken. that's my position myclyne as a grieving fan. i just believe what Henry Wadsworth Longfellow said: "The lowest ebb is the turn of the tide."
(09) HOBBIYMAGE – SECURITY - Maybe now, my words of caution make a bit more sense to you &
others. Maybe not. In any case, I'm still rollin' with the Lakers.
(10) PHRED – LOVE DISPENSER - A couple of things to cling to for anybody looking for a silver lining; This is good for us as a blog, I think. Like (not nearly as bad) the bad old days of 96 and 97, it separates the wheat from the chaff on the blog and we know who is really going to go to the wall in support of the team. Doesn't mean either glass half full, glass half empty, or glass totally empty and broken on the floor, just people who want the Lakers to win. I do know there are some very solid bloggers who have been part of the soul of this blog who aren't posting here much anymore, and some of them have been driven off by some of the relentless negative posting by some people that verges on the troll like. I do know that these people will not completely abandon the blog in its hour of need. The other good thing to remember is that I am convinced that we aren't really this bad. It's just not possible for the team that won the Finals two years in a row to be bad enough to lose like this. This means to me that we are better than our record lately, and I think based on my experience watching this team that we are a lot better than how we have been playing lately. And even if we completely lose it and go off the edge and never even make it near the finals this year, there will still be one consolation; people will hopefully stop complaining when we only win by less than ten points. IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE
(11) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - I hate losing. Hate it. That said, this team is a proven championship team and they WILL turn it around. And yes - before it's too late. It's only December for pete's sake. They have too much talent and pride in themselves to be satisfied with the way things are going and not do something about it. So - for all you bandwagonners and haters and trolls - enjoy your moment in the sun. Bask in it. Revel in delight at the problems MY team is currently facing. And yes - they're MY team - certainly not YOURS. Because if they were your team, you'd shut the hell up with the venom-spewing and negativity and get behind your team. But no - you choose to post drivel and call it honest criticism, or worse. Whatever. Like I said - have a good time now. Because soon enough MY team will meld, jell and otherwise come together in a steam-rolling, ass-kicking machine and prove you all the idiots WE, the true Laker fans on here, already know you to be.
(12) LAKERLASS
(13) MAMBA24
(14) TNTLAKERFAN – ARMORY SGT - There are problems, yes, but they are correctable. I would like to see us playing inside-out rather than outside-in. This could free up shooters, and increase the percentages from outside. As far as defensively, we really aren't that bad. It's our offense that needs improvement. I don't know what we are running, but it is not the triangle. do I think we can just improve with what we have? OF COURSE!
(15) JAY W. - I am confident that the Lakers can get back to the final despite all those lost. But only concern is that if the Lakers does not finish the season at the top three best record . It's going to be very tough for the Lakers to Win it all. Home course advantage make a huge different in the post season, and plus the Lakers is consider a veteran team which mean they are getting older everyday. For those of you Lakers hater , you can laugh all you want now, but the Lakers still make it to the final. Hahaha...Let's Go Lakers.
(16) DEAN GOLDY - The important thing to remeber with this slump is that the Lakers know how to win and once they get back in the groove that will begin to happen again, every night.
(17) Mitch – Trolls - I sympathize with you. It must be very difficult for you to go through life being not only ignorant, but obnoxious as well. Take solace in the fact that there are many therapies out there that you might benefit from including lobotomy. ( My guess is that lobotomy is probably your best chance for success ) Do everyone a favor, put down the crack pipe and seek help. Now would be a good time.
(18) PURPLE HEART - This adversity is only going to make the Lakers stronger. No worries, Lakes WILL turn this around and I guarantee by mid April they will be hitting Championship stride.
(19) LONGTIMELAKERLOVER - I love my team and I always will. I think they'll turn it around. I hope they will. I'm bleeding that purple and gold.
(20) LAKERTOM - All the calls from the once in a blue moon fair weather fans who would fire Phil, curse Kobe, trade Ron, cut Fish, and bench Pau need to chill and stand up and support their team rather than jumping off the bus like rats abandoning ship. Stated simply, the Lakers are still struggling with injuries and the competition has improved. The silver lining to last night’s loss in my opinion was the continually improving play of Drew, although I do admit to screaming at him after he missed those four free-throws. You could see an immediate improvement in our interior defense and post offense with Drew in the game. ...You also have to give credit to the Spurs defense on Kobe. I have never seen him stripped of the ball so many times and there were several times when he drove and was pushed out of bounds without any call from the zebras, who seem to be responding very negatively to Kobe’s rage. On the other hand, I hate it when Kobe refuses to take an easy open shot and instead prefers to dribble and back his defender down only to take a highly contested low percentage fade-away shot. Kobe needs to stay within the triangle and work without the ball to get open rather than just calling for the ball over and over in heavy traffic. We need to get back to efficiently running the Triangle Offense rather than playing isolation ball. And Kobe needs to rein in his rage. As you aptly pointed out, there is still a lot of time for the Lakers to right the ship. The season is a marathon and not a sprint. Drew’s continued progress and increased time on the court will enable us to return to playing Lakers high percentage inside-out basketball on offense and to sealing off the paint and putting an end to the easy layups and dunks that have been killing us.
(21) WALLACE - We're like Clint Eastwood's movie, "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly!" This team has all the components! We're good in the beginning, bad a few weeks after 8-0 run and it's now reach the "Ugly" stage. We will be good again, I hope! Just like in the movie where the good guys ended up with the bags of gold! With some changes in pesonel, we will turn it around before the playoff. I love DFish, but he's more of the liability nowadays on both ends. Hey, I'd rather had this bad run now than in the playoff!!! This team need a big jolt to get out of their doldrums!!! It's the worst I've seen before Gasol's trade. I don't buy Pau's argument that we need to throw the ball more inside (To him or Andrew). Pau is playing weak himself in the last few games. He's playing very little defense and wasted good passes Kobe fed him in the middle. I think Kobe is mad at Pau for not being a man in the middle and not defending the paint like he should. Too many uncontested layups yesterday. Bynum gave us more effort last night offensively and defensively!!! Kobe did his best but his shots were not falling yesterday and the refs were hard on him all night last night. In Kobe, I Trust!
(22) VMAN - Never gone on an opposing team's site and vented years of fan frustration and I'm assuming anyone that would needs to take a much needed break on a shrink's couch to suss out the sad life that brings him to such a ledge.Juvenile derision aside, yes, these Lakers will be competitive when it counts. Getting out of the West will be the hardest task yet on the road to 3 championships in a row. Good for the game, good for the fans. I'm certain of one thing, none of the opposing players or coaches are counting them out
(23) DKWSFO - This is a mental thing and a strategy thing, not a talent thing.
(24) NEWMEXICOLL - Really think we have to move the ball around more!! Too much dribbling around. Tonite we will get back on track, keep the faith!!!
(25) YELLOWFEVER – OK I i think i'm done venting for today... believe it or not i still think they eventually get it together.. I STILL BELIEVE!?!?
(26) THE TRIANGULATOR - I may believe that aliens have stolen our BB skills, but I do know it'll all be back before the playoffs. How many wins did the Lakers have on their road to the three-peat in 2002? It's not about the regular season and home court advantage, while nice, isn't a necessity. A healthy team is a necessity. With that said, I would shakeup the lineup a few games to spice things up. At the worst, it would make a few more losses bearable. At its best, it could energize the team. Trolls, we banish thee back under the 3rd Street Bridge whence yee came from!!!
(27) CARTER - Sean Elliot and all the NBA are getting their licks in after 3 years of dominance by the Lakers, But that's OK, that's their right, they better get them in now, because if they get this ship together, my lakers ain't gonna have no mercy on any of them.
(28) ZEN(THE ORIGINAL) - The Lakers always play bad this time of year..Im not worried...yet
(29) LAKERJ - I know the Lakers have received their wake up call. There is no way they are taking these losses in stride. Champions respond to adversity and show resiliency when it's needed most. Here come the World Champion Los Angeles Lakers. Watch out!
(30) BRONXLAKERFAN - I've heard some great rebuttal from Justa, Corner J and others. Many thanx to Mamba24 and others, who, while expressing their displeasure about the team's recent play, never lose sight of the big picture. I side with those folks. I'm a diehard Laker fan and I will be for the duration.
(31) CYBERCOSMIX - We have to keep in mind that it is the holidays, a time when the Lakers traditionally have taken off (well, they show up to games, playing well is another matter...). This is a team that has worked it out in the past. There is a precedence of them pulling themselves out of their tailspins, no matter that us Laker fans see three-game losing streaks as the end of the world. Well said on Kobe though, I know I can definitely take a few 'off' games to his usual brilliance he plays with on most nights...AS ALWAYS - AND FOREVER - GO LAKERS!!!!!
(32) ZACH FROM SAN DIEGO - first of all, GO LAKERS... ..but really is this not just a dramatic twist to spice up the season for Phil Jackson's last year. It would be boring if we won 65 games and cruised to another title, am I right or am I right? Or am i wrong? Hell this season started like a gem and progressively has made me lose more and more hair the past month. This isn't the end of the world no, but there are a lot of issues to be addressed. I don't know I just can't wait to after the All Star break. Something tells me things will FINALLY start to "matter" to this team come February-March. It's sad to say, but it's hard to be mentally prepared and in-gear for these games. Title defense motivation comes during the playoffs. The other contenders are showing us they are ready to take our crown. Bottom line it all comes down to April/May/June baby. GO LAKERS!!! HATERS ARE GONNA HATE
(33) I BLEED PURPLE AND GOLD - Really excited about the return of Bynum!! but really upset about the lost last night. Shannon Brown (mr. most improve player of the year) started off hot out the gates and now he cant find the bottom of the net. And Matt Barnes (mr. perfect game) cant find his shot either. Blake has been struggeling all year with his shot, despite a few games. It seems like the killer bees have lost their sting!!! Hopefoly we can borrow the Hornets sting tonight!!!
(34) ART-FL LAKERS FAN - Let's see, Miami, Dallas, Spurs, Celts all have run off nice win streaks to pad their record. All the Lakers need to do is get a hot streak going and reel off 10 in a row or go 13-2 or something like that and they will be right back in the thick of best record. While it always seems darkest before the dawn, they certainly have the potential to pull that off.
(35) JQ - Kobe needs to lead. Simple as that. Be the leader he has been. He needs to remember last year's Game 7. Someone replay that as well as his very humble press conference. Be patient Lakernation. It'll take time, but we'll get there.
(36) LEWSTRS - Yes, I have concerns...but still have faith in my team...We have 51 games left in the season...plenty of time to get back to Lakerball... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcnqzi1a0yo
(37) D(EREK) J(ETER) - I'm not giving up though! The thing being a Laker and Yankee fan is that we expect to win it all every year. It's actually difficult to win one, let alone several. Ask Stockton, Barkley, Ewing, and Malone. I'm not giving up though!
(38) LONGTIMELAKERFAN - I'll repeat. BOTH of the Jordan led Bulls 3peat teams had similar records to what the Lakers have at this point in the season (21-10 once, 22-9 the other time). And NEITHER of those teams had HCA for the finals.
(39) FRMKT - I'll repeat. BOTH of the Jordan led Bulls 3peat teams had similar records to what the Lakers have at this point in the season (21-10 once, 22-9 the other time). And NEITHER of those teams had HCA for the finals. Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | December 29, 2010 at 02:03 PM Yes and that's a wrap!
(40) MAGIC PHIL - Not saying HCA is NOT important, justa saying is NOT THAT important. If you deserve the ring, you must not rely on HCA.
(41) Kobeayashimarue - I had a feeling we would get stomped on last night...not really surpirsed as our team is just discombuberated right now. Lets see how things work out with AB & Pau in the starting lineup together & LO off the bench...we haven't seen that yet this year so I'm not panicing.........yet
(42) LAKESHOW310 - Food for thought.......Jackson's first threepeat in Chicago, the Bulls were 21-9. The next threepeat in Chicago the Bulls were????? Yep, you guessed it.....21-10. It's not how you start, it's how you finish. It's always tougher to threepeat. Keep the faith, and get away from the ledge. They will right the ship. Trust me.
(43) LAKERPEACE - A good news is Bynum is starting to catch up. Once he becomes the starter and Gasol playing at PF, and Odom coming out of the bench gelling with the Killer B's, the Lakers will be just fine. "Before success comes in any man's life he is sure to meet with much temporary defeat and, perhaps, some failures. When defeat overtakes a man, the easiest and most logical thing to do is to quit. That is exactly what the majority of men do." -Napoleon Hill-
(44) OCLEZY - all they have to do is win tonight which i believe they will. And looking at the schedule they their toughes challenge will come mid jan when okc comes to town. Which if we win that can keep us going giong into a few tough games coming up with dal,Deen, and utAh. So just win baby. Go lakers!
(45) JWILLIAM - A little early for everyone to go crazy over a few losses. Maybe the Lakers need to lose some to remember how nice it is to win. I would rather lose now than at the end of the season. Would be nice to have a 10+ game win streak going into the playoffs. Just sayin is all.
(46) ISSANG - sometimes we expect to win every game; but there is no fun in winning all games in the regular season. we tend to forget that almost half of the team are newbies.i have faith in the LAKERS. i will continue to believe until my last breath.
(47)

******* TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN I BELIEVE THAT IS A LITTLE MORE THAN
27 BLOGGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mamba,

Lol Mamba, touche.

Bay to LA--Sean,

Good points.

Sean, hope the dream proves prophetic.

how could u even think that man? what r u watchin? eh it doesnt matter anyway. also last week when u were out the bosser showed us this new thing http://sportscomplainer.com/nba its like a sports drudge. .. o and by the way, that trade ur imagining, it will never happen..

@Troy - By all means, debate, argue, mix it up a bit. But don't let the passion and frustration regarding the Lakers' plays on the court spill over into personal arguments with name calling, wishing ill will on players and making verbal threats. I think there's a clear difference between the two. I don't want a blog to be watered down or politically correct either. It's possible to maintain a unique personality without making personal attacks though.

Mark Medina,

My point of confusion here is that I don't recall any of my comments as being "personal attacks."

I've made fun of people, sure, but it's because I have a sense of humor and I like to respond to people who are being just plain abusive with humor. I don't see how that is a personal attack.

Me? I get personally attacked all the time and I don't cry about it, I just accept it as part of being on a blog that occasionally gets infested with trolls. It's the nature of the game.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

My point of confusion here is that I don't recall any of my comments as being "personal attacks." I've made fun of people, sure, but it's because I have a sense of humor and I like to respond to people who are being just plain abusive with humor. I don't see how that is a personal attack. Me? I get personally attacked all the time and I don't cry about it, I just accept it as part of being on a blog that occasionally gets infested with trolls. It's the nature of the game.Posted by: Jon K. | January 17, 2011 at 10:14 AM
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Preach My Brother, PREACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rarely voice my comment but I put this one on Gasol. What a effing cream puff!! Blake had 2 pts and 3 rebounds at half and still got his. Fisher better focus on his offense because he is a straight up defensive liability. Everybody always ragging on Kobe about taking so many shots but what to do when Gasol is backing away from contact and content to shoot jumpers? Why cant our rookies get any playing time? It's 5 on 4 when Luke is in the game! Why did they bring Ebanks up if they are not going to give this guy playing time? On any other team Luke would NOT be playing! Just PJ playing favorites to detriment of team! What a joke. Blake Griffin played hard until the end, with fouls - period! Overagressive or whatever you want to call it. Odom and Gasol got punked and backed down. Grow a backbone!! You cannot fault a guy for playing hard. Newsflash Lakers: NO TEAM IS GOING TO LAY DOWN FOR YOU!!

I'm not feeling this Lakers season and more importantly, neither is the team. I've written before here about the lack of Championship DNA exhibited to date and nothing has changed.

The Clippers wanted it more. How many times (fill in the blank name of the team) have we seen this? Too often. This is a joyless trudge to another Finals that seems to mean more to us fans than the Lakers players.

The excitement seems to be everywhere else. The value of a ring seems to be everywhere else. The quest to build the next Dynasty seems to be everywhere else, rather than on how to extend this one that the Lakers already own.

A change has gotta come.

Posted by: Rick Friedman | January 17, 2011 at 06:58 AM


Ditto and Kudos Rick! I hate the waste of the last years of Kobe greatness on soft and uninspired play by the rest of his team!!


"Rarely voice my comment but I put this one on Gasol. What a effing cream puff!! Blake had 2 pts and 3 rebounds at half and still got his. Fisher better focus on his offense because he is a straight up defensive liability. Everybody always ragging on Kobe about taking so many shots but what to do when Gasol is backing away from contact and content to shoot jumpers? Why cant our rookies get any playing time? It's 5 on 4 when Luke is in the game! Why did they bring Ebanks up if they are not going to give this guy playing time? On any other team Luke would NOT be playing! Just PJ playing favorites to detriment of team! What a joke. Blake Griffin played hard until the end, with fouls - period! Overagressive or whatever you want to call it. Odom and Gasol got punked and backed down. Grow a backbone!! You cannot fault a guy for playing hard. Newsflash Lakers: NO TEAM IS GOING TO LAY DOWN FOR YOU!!

Posted by: lew | January 17, 2011 at 11:30 AM "


Excellent post lew! I have the same things to say. && PG has turned into a pouting whimp! Griffin ran over both PG and LO - they need to BANG back! Bang back and maybe get run over and some sort of call will have to be made. PG just backs off when he gets any contact. I am almost turning to the camp that says trade PG to get theoretically best value for him now with someone who will bang out there - like a Kevin Love or such. Even DeAndre Jordon of the Clippers shows more banging and lift power than PG these days. We need strong inside rebounding and someone else who will push back besides AB and the not-tall-enough-for-the-opposing-bigs RA, DF, & KB. We have enough outside shooting, but not enough paint presence and strong big shooting/slam-dunks (if I see another PG whimpy push of a shot at the rim, I will scream! As if I am not already doing that. lol), especially when AB gets in foul trouble and/or a blow.


On another front, why has this blog become so personal!? Even some regulars I respect have been involved. We mostly have common ground (rooting for the Lakers), so ragging on the Lakers in bad games or complimenting them should be common ground enough to us all. Maybe I am just worn down enough with my senior age that these personal fights don't appeal to me even though I have extremely strong opinions about Laker issues. This is a Laker blog for Pete's sake, let's keep it to Laker issues folks! You don't know me and I don't know you, so don't make assumptions that are personal, please.


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