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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 99-92 loss to the Clippers

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Game stories

-- The Times' Lisa Dillman highlights the physical play in the Lakers' 99-92 loss Sunday to the Clippers.

-- The Daily Breeze's Frank Burlison details how the Clippers prevailed late in the game against the Lakers.

-- The Riverside Press Enterprise's David Lassen believes the Clippers stirred up a rivalry.

Notebooks

-- The Times' Dillman details Blake Griffin's recent shooting struggles and explains why Kobe Bryant believes he should be on the NBA All-Star team.

-- The Daily News' Burlison looks at the late-game altercation.

-- The Orange County Register's Janis Carr says the Lakers lost the game in the third quarter.

-- The Riverside Press Enterprise's Lassen explains why Phil Jackson believes Ron Artest was wrongfully ejected.

Below are a couple of trailers for a Nike promotional movie starring Bryant.

Sidebars

-- The Times' Mike Bresnahan highlights Kobe Bryant's contention that Clippers forward Blake Griffin "punked" the Lakers.

-- The Times' Broderick Turner previews the Lakers-Oklahoma City matchup.

-- AOL Fanhouse's Sam Amick believes the Clippers are forging an identity.

-- NBA.com Fran Blinebury notes how Bryant has questioned the competitiveness of Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom.

-- ESPN.com's John Hollinger and Marc Stein share their latest power rankings.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin focuses on the four ejections.

-- Sports Illustrated's Paul Forrester looks at Bryant's work with Hakeem Olajuwon.

Columns

-- The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding details Bryant's upcoming movie and explains why Bryant's isn't backing up Lamar Odom.

-- The Orange County Register's Jeff Miller faults the Lakers' effort in their loss to the Clippers.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Ramona Shelburne notices the Clippers are maturing.

-- The Orange County Register's Randy Youngman wonders if the Clippers could make the playoffs.

Blogs

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky analyzes the Lakers' loss to the Clippers.

-- Silver Screen and Roll's C.A. Clark questions the Lakers' effort.

-- Forum Blue and Gold's Jeff Skibiski believes the seeds of a rivalry have been planted.

-- Clips Nation's Steve Perrin credits the Clippers for winning the hard way.

-- Lakers.com's Mike Trudell breaks down the game in running-diary format.

Radio

I discuss the state of the Lakers with 1430 ESPN (Fresno, CA) in the audio file below

 

Mark Medina ESPN Radio Jan. 17

 

Tweet of the Day:

"MLK Day!! We have come a long way ! Couldn't imagine life without hope. It's up to us to keep hope alive. Life is beautiful!" -- RealLamarOdom (Lakers forward Lamar Odom)

Reader Comment of the Day:

"This is the problem our Lakers are having. We're facing opponents who are hungry and play every second of the game, no matter if they are winning or losing. And then we have Lamar's attitude, which is whining because an opponent is playing hard, That's crazy. Instead of doing something stupid like grab a guy's jersey and throwing him out of bounds, which just looks like he's upset at being dominated by the opponent and losing the game, Lamar should have gotten aggressive DURING the game. And I don't mean pulling some guy's jersey, I'm talking about aggressive play, taking the ball to the basket, playing hard defense, not letting the opponent score. Playing to win basically. That's what was missing from our Lakers today. We simply didn't have the fire that the Clippers did." -- lakerz4life24

-- Mark Medina
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Photo: Clippers forward Ryan Gomes looks for a steal as Lakers guard Kobe Bryant drives to the basket in the first half Sunday afternoon at Staples Center. Credit: Barbara Davidson / Los Angeles Times

 
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We have a serious point guard problem.

Derek's physical decline is, of course, inevitable and on display nearly every game (excepting the occasional throw-back game). No matter how hard he works out and how dedicated a player is, Father Time is undefeated. I'm less optimistic than you that Fisher can once again turn it on in the playoffs.

And unless the light bulb turns on for Blake, we have no solution to our point guard on our current roster.

And that's not the only reason we have a serious point guard problem.

The disadvantage of a complex offense like the triangle is that you can't just throw in another player, even a very talented one (e.g., Gary Payton) and expect great results.

This means that there probably is not a realistic solution outside of our current roster either.

We have a serious point guard problem.

It was interesting watching the look on Kobe's face at the end of the game. It was a look that said, "We just got beat." He didn't seem to have too much sympathy for Lamar's tantrum at the end.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Mmmmm... I saw this coming. I warned against it. I tried to write words of motivation….

I agree with Laker Kev - our guard situation is not good. At this point, I would take Jordon and Sasha over Fish and Blake. I love D-Fish, but it is not going well. As Mark pointed out, he is 3 of 18 over three games and opposing guards are running by him on a consistent basis. I am going to officially say that Blake has been a bust. It is forcing Kobe to be the point guard/play maker. Shannon has taken over the role from Lamar as Mr. Inconsistent. We need a guard not named Kobe that can make plays, run the offense and hit some threes...

All of our “bigs” looked soft. Kobe said it right. "Punked." It was like the Clippers pulled our pants down around our ankles and ran away laughing...

What the hell happened in the fourth? Did I miss something? Isn't that supposed to be winning time?

The next three weeks are going to tell the story for this team and this season and it is not starting well.

Fish, Brown and Blake - you guys need to step it up! You are freakin' Los Angeles Lakers! Magic, Jerry and Kareem are watching. Make them proud. Make us proud. Make yourselves proud!

We need more Luke. That is right. I said it. He led the team in +/- at +12 in his 10 minutes on the floor. It is not the first time he has led in this statistic because when he is on the floor guys get easy shots.

I hope they come out with some pride, passion, and D against the Thunder. Otherwise, I will have to read about the old, has been, Lakers in all of the papers.

Come on guys! It is all about the D! It is all about bringing it for four quarters.

Sorry, I get passionate about this crap because...

I am a Lakerholic.

Laker Kev,

I'm a bit confused by your focus on Derek Fisher after this game.

We got beat by the Clippers shooting guard Eric Gordon and their power forward Blake Griffin and arguably their center DeAndre Jordan, not Baron Davis their point guard.

Where's the reason for outrage?

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Posted by: Diandra | January 17, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Very nice post.
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LRob,

Wow, you're a music encyclopedia . Droppin knowledge, nice.

Man, I just watched a Robert Rodriguez film, "Once Upon A Time In Mexico", and that movie was TERRIBLE! Action for action's sake, no characters that you care about, unsatisfying story, etc. Even with all those great actors, that movie was a DOG!

A great movie should touch the heart, the mind and the eyes. This one only touched the eyes with all the explosions and gunfire.

Let's hope RR can come up with something better for Kobe.

Laker Kev

There is no such thing as a "serious point guard problem" when you run the triangle offense. First of all, it's not even a POINT guard; it's referred to as a LEAD guard in the triangle. It's by far the least important position on the court for the Lakers, who run their offense through Kobe and Gasol, not through the lead guard. Of the current Lakers payroll, the lead guard position occupies only 8.4% by design.

The role of the lead guard on ANY Phil Jackson coached team is as follows:

1) Handle the ball and, at time, initiate the offense.
2) Knock down open shots, often times threes.
3) Play solid help team defense.
4) Take care of the ball and limit turnovers.

Steve Blake was signed because he is a pass first lead guard who plays gritty defense and has one of the best assist to turnover ratios in the NBA. Lakers fans need to accept the fact that this team is unlike other NBA teams in its approach. You'd think with all the success, everyone would understand why we're different and why Derek Fisher has been the guy who stands next to Kobe with 5 rings. Yes, he's getting a little long in the tooth and his shot and foot speed aren't what they were, but in terms of putting him out to pasture, why don't we leave this to the brilliant professionals, Mitch and PJ, who have put us in a position to three-peat? So while you correctly point out that the triangle is a "disadvantage" to bring in a talented player at that position, the data (11 championships) suggests that a talented player isn't even needed at that position.

Steve Blake is not a bust. He just doesn't play enough minutes. Give Blake more burn and time with the starters and he'll start producing. I mean it'll only take2 assists and 5 points a game to out play Fisher.

Clippers won't even make the playoffs! Enjoy your run while it lasts, Clips!

lakerz4life24 - good one.

KobeMVP888,

Bravo, my friend. Excellent analysis of the point (lead) guard role in the triangle. Fisher is a strong, physical guard who does an excellent job initiating the offense, and that's why he's still starting for the Lakers. Anyone wanna guess how Baron would fare?

Go Lake Show!

Robert Rodriguez is a completely over-rated filmmakers.

He just knows the right people in Hollywood.

His films are mediocre at best.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

We got beat by the Clippers shooting guard Eric Gordon and their power forward Blake Griffin and arguably their center DeAndre Jordan, not Baron Davis their point guard.

Where's the reason for outrage?
Posted by: Jon K. | January 17, 2011 at 12:48 PM

Dude...So you're saying that Fish held his OWN against Baron?

A great movie should touch the heart, the mind and the eyes. This one only touched the eyes with all the explosions and gunfire. Let's hope RR can come up with something better for Kobe. Posted by: Rob in L.A. | January 17, 2011 at 12:52 PM
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DJ LRob takes off his DJ mike and puts on his Movie critics hat...Thumbs Up!!!

Dude...So you're saying that Fish held his OWN against Baron? Posted by: G.money | January 17, 2011 at 01:04 PM
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G. Money, Stop this ISH! Stop it now!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!

Blake against:
Clipper 0-1 in 18 minutes
NJ - 0-0 in 16 minutes
Golden State - 1-3 in 13 minutes (last time he hit a shot)
Cleveland - 1-5 in 23 minutes
NY - 0-2 in 19 minutes
Total over last 5 games - 2 for 11.

I think he is a bust. We spent a lot of money on him. He played well in the beginning of the season - since then, not so much.

Jon K. - without getting into my opinion of Rodriguez as a filmmaker, he actually makes most of his movies NOT because "he knows the right people in Hollywood."

In fact, quite a number of his films have been non-Hollywood financed, he's always been one to fight for smaller-budget movies that came from local geographic areas (like Texas for him), and has helped a lot of people get their starts in the business (especially a-typical non-Hollywood types).

I have a lot of respect for how he's carved his own career WITHOUT just relying on "knowing the right people." He has picked up some "known" names along the way, but mostly because he worked with them in their early-on's.

Bravo, my friend. Excellent analysis of the point (lead) guard role in the triangle. Fisher is a strong, physical guard who does an excellent job initiating the offense, and that's why he's still starting for the Lakers. Anyone wanna guess how Baron would fare? Posted by: The Outlaw | January 17, 2011 at 01:03 PM
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Preach Outlaw, Preach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This season is what it is. No team has gone to the Finals four years in a row since the Lakers and Celts did it 25 years ago. Phil, with all his three-peats, has never taken a team to the Finals 4 straight years. MJ himself was burned out and quit every time he got to 3.


Why? Well, you can see the reasons this season. Guys get older. Injuries come in to play. The wear and tear of three very long NBA seasons running into June takes it's toll.


And frankly it gets very hard for even true gamers to get too excited about another regular season game. You play every night against teams who treat playing you like a it's a big playoff game, and you can't give that same effort for 82 games or your team will be worn out before the real playoffs start. To match the energy of teams who don't have that energy every night, who only play that hard against the Lakers and maybe the Celts and Heat, and to match it every night against every team, after 3 long seasons, when the regular season has become just a mental and physical grind you have to go through to get to the playoffs, which is all you care about.......


This season is going to be slog. We can all say it shouldn't be and they should give their all every night. But they won't. And they maybe shouldn't. This is a year, like Russell's last title in '69, where the Lakers will make their way through a decent regular season and hope to have enough in the tank to turn it on come playoff time. It's no fun as a fan, watching them go through it. but it is reality. Maybe at some point down the stretch or after the All Star break we'll see them kick it up a gear. And maybe not.

I have a huge amount of respect for Robert Rodriguez. He shot his first film for $7k by doing most of it himself and putting photo floods in the incidentals. El Mariachi - check it out! He also was the first american director to take a chance on... Salma Hayek.

He also was the first american director to take a chance on... Salma Hayek.
Posted by: Lakerholic | January 17, 2011 at 01:22 PM
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That's all the qualfications I need. He's good to go!!!

lakerz4life24 - congrats on the RCOTD

100% Spot On!


RCOTD = LAKERZ4LIFE24 = OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!!!!

Lakerholic - "He also was the first american director to take a chance on... Salma Hayek."

Yeah, I kind of avoided mentioning his use of Salma (though she'd done a bit of American TV before Rodriguez - I remember first seeing her in "Dream On"), as that kinda is like using a thermonuclear device to kill a fly. That alone should earn him some sort of special Oscar.

Baron Davis - 6 of 13 with 8 assists
Fish, Blake, and Brown combined - 4 of 18 with 3 assists.

We made a big mistake in trading Sasha for Joe Smith. Sasha can play some lead guard and knows the offense. I still think (hope?) Blake will come around.

@lakerz4life24 – congrats on RCOTD. I agree 100% that the Clips had way more passion.


@troy – I’m not panicking because I know it’s extremely hard for a team to play at a high level every game after 3 straight trips to the finals. I’m frustrated and disappointed some games like everyone else. But panic isn’t in my personality. However, I do enjoy reading the wide variety of post from anger, to calm, to panic….so please stay and sound the alarm.


@diandra – nice post on DFish. It will all play itself out soon.


@mamba – nice remake of SWV by Leona. I like and watching her in the video ain’t bad either :-)


@131-92 – I would be very concerned if I was you if Shaq is promising a ring. He promised the same in Phoenix and Cleveland.

@lakerz4life24 – congrats on RCOTD. I agree 100% that the Clips had way more passion.


@troy – I’m not panicking because I know it’s extremely hard for a team to play at a high level every game after 3 straight trips to the finals. I’m frustrated and disappointed some games like everyone else. But panic isn’t in my personality. However, I do enjoy reading the wide variety of post from anger, to calm, to panic….so please stay and sound the alarm.


@diandra – nice post on DFish. It will all play itself out soon.


@mamba – nice remake of SWV by Leona. I like and watching her in the video ain’t bad either :-)


@131-92 – I would be very concerned if I was you if Shaq is promising a ring. He promised the same in Phoenix and Cleveland.

She gives me a special oscar... ;-)
Sorry, that was crude - at least I didn't use the word "rack"
Whoops, I guess I just did... ;-)

A great movie should touch the heart, the mind and the eyes. This one only touched the eyes with all the explosions and gunfire. Let's hope RR can come up with something better for Kobe. Posted by: Rob in L.A. | January 17, 2011 at 12:52 PM
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DJ LRob takes off his DJ mike and puts on his Movie critics hat...Thumbs Up!!!

Posted by: Mamba24 | January 17, 2011 at 01:05 PM

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Not me Mamba. That's Rob in LA

sup peeps - no time to post at all today, and I'm just finally catching up. Wow - I'm glad I missed out on the since-deleted posts.... sounds like I was getting beat up on LOL!


To me it just looked like we got a nice lead and then decided we'd won. Nothing like playing 43 minutes of a 48 minute game..... yeesh. Oh well - moving on.... I hope they show up tonight against OKC or this place is gonna be overrun - again.


I'm irritated by this seeming lack of focus or effort, but Tom Daniels made a great point in his post above. This season is a slog - even moreso after going to the Finals 3 straight years. I'm hoping the next gear, or the switch, or whatever it is, will be turned on soon. NOW would be good, but with the way things are going I fully expect the rest of the season to go pretty much the same - flashes of brilliant dominance with periods of WTH happened?!!


Meh. My pompoms are intact.


1 of 27.... or is it 47? I'm confused.... :)

The PG in the Lakers offense is not expected to score 20 points a game or dish out 10 assists and no one is asking for that. KobeMVP is right in his analysis of what the PG or "lead guard" is supposed to provide. HOWEVER, Fisher is not doing it.

Fisher is trying to create his shot far too often and should never be doing anything more than spotting up for open shots. His job is to occupy a corner on offense and spread the floor and he is not getting it done. Too many times he has thrown up quick shots or tried to answer a basket his opposing PG had on the other side of the floor and the results have not been pretty.

He has also been way too slow on the defensive side, causing the Lakers to get burned on the perimeter repeatedly. The Lakers actually have a very respectable stat for opposing 3 pt fg% but it's skewed by their winning record. The Lakers good record causes teams to hoist up a lot of 3's toward the end of games to play catch-up. Against the better teams, that perimeter weakness has been exposed all year long.

We all saw yesterday that the Lakers slow rotations were always allowing a player to be wide open for a 3 pointer. Fisher is too slow to keep up, Kobe is spending more time playing free safety, and as a result, the perimeter is open for the taking.

Not me Mamba. That's Rob in LA Posted by: LRob | January 17, 2011 at 01:40 PM
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Ummm...Sorry. But I have no doubt, if you did put on that film critic hat you would do one heck of a job sir!!! Lol!

KobeMVP888,

Bravo, my friend. Excellent analysis of the point (lead) guard role in the triangle. Fisher is a strong, physical guard who does an excellent job initiating the offense, and that's why he's still starting for the Lakers. Anyone wanna guess how Baron would fare?

Go Lake Show!

Posted by: The Outlaw | January 17, 2011 at 01:03 PM
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Thanks, man. I didn't even mention that he also organizes the offense and knows the precise spots within the triangle to go to on every play. This "intangible" is also overlooked because it is not only intangible to the untrained eye (self included), but invisible to it. On the one hand, basketball is a simple game (which is why fans tend to bag on Fish); on the other hand, it is very complex at the level that the Lakers play it at. Fans who think they understand exactly what is going on out there are fooling themselves. Consequently, it is easy to default to my first statement when watching the game: "Basketball is a simple game." It just isn't that way with the defending back-to-back champs.

This season is going to be slog. We can all say it shouldn't be and they should give their all every night. But they won't. And they maybe shouldn't. This is a year, like Russell's last title in '69, where the Lakers will make their way through a decent regular season and hope to have enough in the tank to turn it on come playoff time. It's no fun as a fan, watching them go through it. but it is reality. Maybe at some point down the stretch or after the All Star break we'll see them kick it up a gear. And maybe not.

Posted by: Tom Daniels | January 17, 2011 at 01:18 PM
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Great post and I agree. The Chowds were 48-34 that last season and I expect the Lakers to finish with a better record than that. We'll see stretches where the Lakers play excellent basketball and already have for that matter. In fact, we saw glimpses of it on this 7 game win streak, particularly the Knicks game. We also saw it when we went into New Orleans after the drubbings we took in that 3 game losing streak. The Lakers can focus when they want to and there are no back-to-back games during the playoffs, when Phil Jackson does his best coaching. Meanwhile, Phil will have his team fine tuned in every aspect of the game leading into the playoffs regardless of the team's record and regardless of how aesthetically pleasing these games are to the fans' eye. It is what it is and, considering that we have an aging team whose conditioning must be carefully monitored over the 82, we have little to complain about.

We made a big mistake in trading Sasha for Joe Smith.

Posted by: rdlee | January 17, 2011 at 01:38 PM
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Big mistake? U no. That was an economic decision and Sasha would be rotting at the end of the bench still. Phil Jackson does not see things the same way the jittery fans see them after one measly loss. What cracks me up is that all of a sudden that 7 game win streak didn't happen and all this doom and gloom has fallen on the lap of an older role player who's not playing very well right now.

I have defended Fish on here myself. I guess after the Sasha trade I have been disgruntled. I didn't understand why they traded him and still don't. I was also pissed before the trade that he wasn't playing. He was the only pure shooter on the team. He was also an excellent defender. I have heard over and over how in practice he was the best player on the team. Why not give him some minutes? I see the point of not bringing someone in now who doesn't understand the offense... It is just that we had a guy who understands the offense and we traded him for a bench warmer... The old bench, even on a bad night, would run around and wear out the other team.

"We made a big mistake in trading Sasha for Joe Smith.

Posted by: rdlee | January 17, 2011 at 01:38 PM
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Big mistake? U no. That was an economic decision and Sasha would be rotting at the end of the bench still. Phil Jackson does not see things the same way the jittery fans see them after one measly loss. What cracks me up is that all of a sudden that 7 game win streak didn't happen and all this doom and gloom has fallen on the lap of an older role player who's not playing very well right now.


Posted by: KobeMVP888 | January 17, 2011 at 01:58 PM "

True. As well as Sasha is playing now, he wouldn't be doing it in LA because he'd still be on the bench. Sasha was a lot more useful to the team than Joe Smith so it was a step down talent wise but since they had no interest in playing him and letting him recapture his role of a few years ago, they're not going to feel much burn by this trade, even if Sasha puts in 30 points a night in NJ.

Bay to LA

It's easy to make Fish the scapegoat, especially when you want to see it that way. Rarely do I hear the critics point to the good things he does and that's because they either don't want to acknowledge them, refuse to see them in the first place or have no clue when he is even doing those things. The Lakers' somewhat mediocre perimeter defense this season starts with Kobe's knee. Fish is no different than he was last season. You forget how fluidly the Lakers played when Kobe was out last February with a bad ankle and Fish was leaned on to guide the team. They even won up in Portland and narrowly lost to the Chowds at home, but went 4-1 in Kobe's absence. I'm tired of hearing "that was last year" because my naked eye doesn't see anything different with Derek's game this season, yet I definitely see that Kobe is easing his way back from injury on the defensive end. The wide open look you see are usually his man. So I guess this can be as much a matter of perception as anything else. All I know is that it's ridiculous to put all the Lakers "woes" on Fish. Some Fish haters, like magia, just want Fish benched and they will be happy. Then there's the Half-Empty Club, who just START with Fish!

KobeMVP888,

Good points, and I would certainly include my eyes in the untrained category. I've always been a huge Fish fan, and I hope what I call a point guard problem is just an illusion. Time will tell.

"We made a big mistake in trading Sasha for Joe Smith.

Posted by: rdlee | January 17, 2011 at 01:38 PM
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Big mistake? U no. That was an economic decision and Sasha would be rotting at the end of the bench still. Phil Jackson does not see things the same way the jittery fans see them after one measly loss. What cracks me up is that all of a sudden that 7 game win streak didn't happen and all this doom and gloom has fallen on the lap of an older role player who's not playing very well right now.


Posted by: KobeMVP888 | January 17, 2011 at 01:58 PM "

True. As well as Sasha is playing now, he wouldn't be doing it in LA because he'd still be on the bench. Sasha was a lot more useful to the team than Joe Smith so it was a step down talent wise but since they had no interest in playing him and letting him recapture his role of a few years ago, they're not going to feel much burn by this trade, even if Sasha puts in 30 points a night in NJ.

Posted by: Bay to LA | January 17, 2011 at 02:09 PM

I never said anything about doom and gloom. I just think Sasha would have come in handy when we need another big guard in certain situations (foul trouble, injuries, etc). We aren't exactly playing Joe Smith big minutes either. If Sasha was a cancer on the bench, then maybe I could see it, but we are in trouble if any of our guards go down with an injury. We have NO DEPTH in the backcourt.

Bay to LA - I don't agree that Sasha would be still rotting at the end of the bench. PJ is a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them. I am sure he looks at the stats. Blake would be at the end of the bench. He is in there now because there is no one else.

"Bay to LA - I don't agree that Sasha would be still rotting at the end of the bench. PJ is a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them. I am sure he looks at the stats. Blake would be at the end of the bench. He is in there now because there is no one else.

Posted by: Lakerholic | January 17, 2011 at 02:18 PM "

For the last few years in LA, Sasha had a very short leash. He was sent out there and as soon as he picked up a dumb foul or missed a 3, he was out of the game. It took him out of his game and he struggled in that role. In NJ, he's getting the same playing time he got a few years in LA where he's out to bring energy, play defense, and make shots for 20-30 minutes guaranteed and the results are very similar.

I agree with what is being said here that the Lakers need that extra guard off the bench but a streaky shooter can't thrive with a short leash and it didn't seem like the Lakers had any patience to leave him out there and let him shoot out of a slump. Even if he was getting off the bench with Blake's struggles, he'd be right back on it if he didn't go out and make his first shot.

Bay to LA - you are probably right. I still don't get it though. There must be something personal...

No comments on my "special oscar" or "rack" - a tough room... ;-) I was watching 30 Rock reruns (3rd season) on Netflix last night and Salma was on a few of the episodes. Damn, that is one fine lady.

I hope all of the guards not named Kobe show me up tonight! I would like to also see Pau, Drew, Lamar, and Ron show me the meaning of the word "tough" and send a little message to Oklahoma - not this year!

I am out. I'll check in tomorrow. Thanks! I have no one to talk to about the Lakers here in VT and it was a slow day in real estate... I may not agree with what you blog, but I will defend to the death your right to blog it.

Peace.

I am a Lakerholic.

"Bay to LA

It's easy to make Fish the scapegoat, especially when you want to see it that way. Rarely do I hear the critics point to the good things he does and that's because they either don't want to acknowledge them, refuse to see them in the first place or have no clue when he is even doing those things. The Lakers' somewhat mediocre perimeter defense this season starts with Kobe's knee. Fish is no different than he was last season. You forget how fluidly the Lakers played when Kobe was out last February with a bad ankle and Fish was leaned on to guide the team. They even won up in Portland and narrowly lost to the Chowds at home, but went 4-1 in Kobe's absence. I'm tired of hearing "that was last year" because my naked eye doesn't see anything different with Derek's game this season, yet I definitely see that Kobe is easing his way back from injury on the defensive end. The wide open look you see are usually his man. So I guess this can be as much a matter of perception as anything else. All I know is that it's ridiculous to put all the Lakers "woes" on Fish. Some Fish haters, like magia, just want Fish benched and they will be happy. Then there's the Half-Empty Club, who just START with Fish!

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | January 17, 2011 at 02:17 PM "

Like you always say, it's team defense though. They won with Fisher in the past, but he's no quicker than he was the last 2 years and I would definitely argue that he is slower. In addition, Kobe and Artest are definitely slower than they have been in past years so the help defense is less than what it used to be and Derek's lack of speed is magnified.

In those 5 games without Kobe, guys like Shannon Brown, Jordan Farmar, and even Sasha came out and played aggressive defense on the opposing SG's, something Kobe wasn't often doing. They also played a lot less individual ball that they tend to play when Kobe is out there isolating. They played well as a team on both sides of the ball and won those games. Frankly, they're a very solid team even without Kobe. I know you don't like when people place 100% of the blame on Fisher but giving him 100% of the credit isn't the answer either.

I'm not saying he's a complete zero on the court but I'm not going to go out of my way to give him credit for rotating properly on a pick and roll or making a good entry pass on offense. That is what NBA players are supposed to do. Like you say, the lead guard is the least important part of the triangle. Fisher should be invisible on the court other than a spot up 3 here and there and in his best days, that's exactly how it worked. We're seeing him more and more these days and it's for all of the wrong reasons.

great points by everyone on the blog today. but it seems like everyone is focusing on our point guard. yesterdays loss had nothing to do with "our point" guard, but with the fact we blew a 12 pt lead and tried to "cadilac" it home, thinking the clips would fold. not with billy crystal in the house! ha ha. anyhow, i was more concerned the game turned when we let RANDY "cast-off-from-the-minnesota timberwolves" FOYE light us up for a couple of 3's to get them back in the game. then our "bigs" got outrebounded 50-45. griffin and jordan with 15 apiece. i'm not blaming bynum because he came down with 13 reb in 32 minutes, whereas griffin and jordan were 38 minutes respectively. although i'm not thrilled with the Lakers 3 point defense or lack of it, they have got to get better. teams seem to love to shoot the 3 against the Lakers.....ask the phx suns, they buried 22 of them awhile back. which Lakers team shows up tonight......the one that got punked by griffin...or the one that has won b2b titles the last two years?hmm

888- Is this all you do is run off at the YAP, Fish is a DOG. And everybody knows it, since the game is so simple WHY can't this DUDE make a SHOT? Start the offense, are you kidding ME, what bring the ball half court pass to Kobe, go stand in the corner, though up a BRICK.

He's useless, from time to time he makes a steal, take a charge, and sometime get an assist. DAMN that good for 3 mil a year, I guess if Mitch would have given him another 2 mil they'll get another assist. Just Sayin.

redlee- It's about the ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR.

Congrats lakerz4life24!

Well-said and I couldn't agree more. The young Clippers played their hearts out ALL game. And pushed it even till the final seconds - I consider that killer instinct. You never give your opponent a chance to come back even in the final seconds. How can the Clippers forget that they lost the last game with the Lakers by 1 point in the final seconds. So can you blame them for playing hard till the end?

Did we take our foot off the pedal when we embarassed the Cavaliers by a gazillion points? We played till the end and humiliated them. Did the Cavaliers throw a tantrum and started pulling jerseys like a 5 year-old? They took the drubbing like men, like professional athletes who have been punked by a team that played harder and executed better.

I'm not impressed by that kind of passionate emotion, Lamar. That kind of passion came too little too late in the game, not to mention reflecting poorly on sportsmanship.

On another note, it's wonderful to see Mamba24 on the blog again. Welcome back my brotha. I've missed your roll calls :)

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