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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 109-96 loss to Boston Celtics

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Game stories

--The Times' Mike Bresnahan argues the Lakers didn't play like the defending champions in their 109-96 loss Sunday to the Boston Celtics.

--The Boston Globe's Julian Benbow credits the Celtics' team effort.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding faults the Lakers' defense.

--The Riverside Press Enterprise's David Lassen believes the Lakers' execution against the Celtics validated Jerry West's sentiment that the Lakers can't play defense.

--The Daily Breeze's Elliott Teaford notes how the Lakers' defense crumbled in the second half.

Notebooks

--The Times' Bresnahan details Ron Artest's poor play against Boston.

--The Boston Globe's Benbow looks at how Paul Pierce and Ray Allen split duties defending Bryant.

--The Daily Breeze's Teaford also focuses on Artest's poor play.

Sidebars

--The Times' Broderick Turner breaks down the Lakers' poor defense.

--The Boston Herald's Steve Bulpett looks at the Bryant-Pierce showdown.

--Sports Illustrated's Lee Jenkins believes the Celtics are a much better team since the 2010 Finals.

Columns

--The Times' Mark Heisler argues the Lakers have a long ways to go before matching up with the Boston Celtics.

--Fox Sports' Billy Witz faults the Lakers' effort.

--The Daily Breeze's Vincent Bonsignore argues the Lakers' failure to beat elite teams should raise a red flag.

--ESPN.com's J.A. Adande believe the Celtics have the cohesion the Lakers lack.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin dissects Pau Gasol's poor performance.

--The Orange County Register's Ding faults Pau Gasol's effort.

--ESPN Boston's Chris Forsberg argues the Celtics set the tone.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Arash Markazi argues Kobe Bryant had no other choice but to go on a scoring barrage against Boston.

--The Orange County Register's Jeff Miller finds fault with the way the Lakers are losing games.

--The Riverside Press Enterprise's Gregg Patton finds issue with the Lakers' focus.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Ramona Shelburne argues the Celtics proved they're a better team than the Lakers.

--Yahoo! Sports' Marc Spears notices the Lakers aren't panicing after this loss.

Blogs

--ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky breaks down the Lakers' loss.

--The Boston Globe's Tony Massarotti argues no one should read much into the Celtics' victory Sunday over the Lakers.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell details how the team's fourth-quarter lapses.

--Celtics Blog's Jay_King credits Boston for improving their weaknesses.

Tweet of the Day: "Kobe Lakers grade on defense 'F'" -- DuranLA (710 ESPN's Beto Duran)

Reader Comment of the Day: The Lakers (Kobe and Derek don't count) need to understand what it means to be a Laker. Being a Laker means that you are the Special Forces of the NBA. It's full in or not at all. That's it. If you want to be less than full in, go play for the Charlotte Bobcats. If you're a Laker, you have to be full in. That's it... and when you're career is over you will thank yourself for that. All in. Nothing else." -- Jon K.

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Photo: Celtics forward Paul Pierce and Lakers guard Kobe Bryant try to avoid contact with one another after Pierce was fouled on a shot by forward Luke Walton (not pictured). Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times

 
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Nietzche says, "That Which Doesn't Kill Us Makes Us Stronger." For all those worry warts, "It Ain't Over 'til the Fat Lady Sings." Yogi Berra

As for Jon K., I don't normally quote people (especially Jeff Van Gumby (intentional) or Mark Jackson), but "Even a Broken Clock is Right Twice a Day." unknown

With that said, we've never had a beef, but you Jon K. are NOT my handler. I will quote whomever I feel is relevant.

Go Lakers!!!!!!

@Congrats Jon K on RCOTD.


@DBDH - I think you would've had a lot of company under that bus...myself included. At least the wifey took care of you with a comforting meal.


AW HELL YEAH!!!
RCOTD = JON K. = OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!!!!! KUDOS!!!

BTW Jon K., your proper response to my response is " Ahh, Blow it Out Your Arse Triangulator!" Blazing Saddles

If you can't laugh at that, you're taking this stuff way too seriously... ;)

Second BTW-- Congrats on the Friedman...

Like Triangular said...It ain't over!


Lenny Kravitz - It Ain't Over Til Its Over (smooth side of Lenny)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAhKf_Ro4ZU

Fault Kobe this time?

Dex at Silver Screen and Roll has a nice recap of the game. Here's a snip:

"Every one of the Celtics' key players had a terrific game.

The same can be said of just one of their Laker counterparts: Kobe Bryant. The Mamba did what he could to keep his team in the game, scoring 41 points on 32 shots and committing only a couple turnovers. That he took 32 shots and collected zero assists while the Lakers lost will inevitably drag us into a tiresome discussion about whether he shot too much. No. He didn't.

I'm perfectly willing to rip Kobe when he's not taking the right approach, but it's not fair to do so today. He was the only Laker not getting shut down by the man guarding him. None of his teammates - not the big guys, not Artest, not his supposedly trusty sidekick Fish - was making good moves, getting to the right spot on the floor or proving their ability to be sound with the ball in the face of the Boston pressure. Did Kobe play a perfect game? Of course not. But if you're making a list of people to blame for this debacle, Kobe's name should be at the bottom."

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2011/1/30/1965146/lakers-96-celtics-109-time-for-recriminations#storyjump

http://www.thenolookpass.com/2011/01/31/the-drive-of-daniel-artest-chapter-10/ Daniel Artest had something to say. Posted by: Rey-Rey | January 31, 2011 at 09:31 AM PS: Kudos to Kevin Durant on what he said about Chris Bosh. Called him a "fake tough guy." That made my day. Chris Bosh is softer than flaccid on the court and if he's in the NBA, then I'm petitioning for Brittany Griner to get drafted, too. But kudos to the NBA for not discriminating in letting women in the work place though. Haha. #LikeABosh
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DAMMN REY-REY!!!! OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!


Lenny Kravitz - It Ain't Over Til Its Over (smooth side of Lenny) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAhKf_Ro4ZU
Posted by: LRob | January 31, 2011 at 09:37 AM
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Yes, Yes, Yes!!!!! Get down DJ. LRob!!!!! I'll tell you a secret LRob...That's what I played for my 3-Peat blushing bride. True story I swear!!! LMAO!!!!

LakerTom,

you wrote: I don’t agree with Phil’s comments. I also don’t think that Phil really liked how Kobe played last night. I know you think Kobe is perfect and never deserves to be criticized but the reality of last night’s game was that Kobe failed to stay within the offense, never trusted his teammates, and got into a scoring competition with Paul Pierce that ended up stifling the Lakers offensively and leaving everybody standing around. You can deflect the blame to the rest of the team, which did not play well, but 41 points and zero assists and ten straight shots in a row down the stretch is not a winning playbook for the Lakers to beat the Celtics. It resulted in probably the team’s lowest assist total so far this year.

my response: Ok. I'm glad we're clear that you don't agree with PJ's
comments.

re: PJ not liking Kobe's playing style. umm ... I think this is your *opinion*
and is not grounded in reality. At all. You just said that you didn't agree
with PJ's comments and now you're telling me that *you* know what PJ
is "REALLY" thinking. ... umm .... How does that work? Does he call you
at night and say ... "forget what the reporters are asking me. This is what
I really think ..."

you also wrote: So go ahead and blame the rest of the team as if you really expect them to cut and get in Kobe’s way when he has waved them off.

my response:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AkjTV33oB5YW1TjElP6LXEiQvLYF?gid=2009020218

In this game where Kobe scored 61 pts, Pau Gasol scored 31 pts and shot the
ball 17 times. So ... that would seem to discount your belief that it's impossible
for other people to get a shot when Kobe is going off.

you also wrote: I know you think Kobe is perfect and never deserves to be criticized but the reality of last night’s game was that Kobe failed to stay within the offense

my response: Why do you always point to offense when the Lakers always
point to their defense? Do you think you're a better coach/basketball
analyst than PJ/Kobe/Lamar ?

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers-celtics-20110131,0,2949123.story

snippet:
Kobe Bryant gave the Lakers an "F" for a defense that yielded a 59-point second half, a one-sided Celtics burst written in black ink on the whiteboard in the Lakers' locker room.

snippet:
Paul Pierce scored 32 points and Ray Allen had 21 as the Celtics shot a remarkable 60.3% Sunday. Shaquille O'Neal (0 for 2) was the only Celtics player not to make at least half his shots.

snippet:
Lakers Coach Phil Jackson pointed the finger not at Bryant, but his teammates.

"I didn't think anybody else wanted the ball," Jackson said. "We did run a couple other things to get people in position but I thought those times he had the best opportunities. A lot of times, it didn't look like we were running anything out there offensively.

"I think sometimes we fold into ourselves and let him have too much space out there at times."

FWIW, I've publicly said before that Kobe makes mistakes. I've also
explained why I don't talk about them very much.

The gist of your arguments is that Kobe can no longer drop 30+ pts per
game because he'll take the rest of the team out of the game. Unless we have
a blow out in which case he can drop a gazillion as long as everybody else
drops a gazillion also. We have the best weapon in the NBA and we can't
utilize him because to do so causes the rest of the team to become wallflowers.
Does that sum things up?

Art Fan,

I was about to post, but your quote above says it all.

Posted by: NuggetsCountry in response to LakerTom

Better watch it! I played pro for a while! So, yes I do know the game better than you, as I also coached at a high level for many years. I coached team basketball, and played team basketball, so I know better of what I speak than you ever will! As a player, I was that guy who scrambled for rebounds and played impeccable defense (think Rodman type at a much less proficient/athletic ability, of course) even when I never got a touch on the offensive end, because that's what old-school basketball players did....or you rode the pine. Basketball has not changed much in 80 years. Athleticism has, but not the basics. Pouting players like PG have no place on the court. Kevin Love and Blake Griffin have the hustle down and the wherewithall to make things happen for themselves even with ball hogs on their teams, so it is not just old-school, but a mindset that this team has lost in the past 7 months.

^^^^^^^^^

nugget, dude, I think you've just become my favorite blogger, you obviously know what the entire puzzle envolves and aren't inclined to wear those rose colored glasses or blinders. Bloggers with a one-dimensional mindset (and add ridiculous biases) are the most infuriating at times.

@NUGGETS COUNTRY... I’m not going to get into it with you as I respect your opinion and you obviously have had more success as a player and coach than I have. Does that mean you’re smarter and know the game better than I do, not necessarily. Bottom line, I stand by my position that it is Kobe’s job and responsibility as the unquestioned team leader to get everybody else involved. Like anything in life, success is dictated from the top down. If you think that Kobe scoring 41 points and posting 0 assists is a winning formula, then I would have to say that I believe you are wrong. So let’s just agree to disagree rather than trying to insult each other’s basketball acumen.
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@CORNERJ... You made some excellent points and I definitely thought that Pau and Ron as well as Fish and Blake had terribly subpar games. That should not deter Kobe from still trying to get all of the players involved in the offense. We know that this team plays much better defense when they are sharing the ball on offense and everybody is involved. Standing around on offense just carries over to standing around on defense. And to expect players to ignore Kobe when he waves everybody off and goes into isolation mode is unreasonable. Kobe is who he is and I expect him to approach the next game against the Celtics completely differently. He is the leader and how the team plays often depends upon his efforts at involving everybody in the offense. When he does not do that, the team suffers. .........................
TOM

Quote from Ron's bro, Rey Rey:

"But from my point of view, Laker "fans" are really Kobe fans. It makes me sick. Yes. Laker fans make me sick. Sometimes, I wish Ron was on another team..."

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Well guess what Rey Rey, sometimes so do we.

I hope with this ugly lost to the Celtics the Lakers management particularly Micth Kupchak will open their eyes and realized in the truest sense of their mind that this Laker team cannot compete with the likes of Spurs, Celtics, Magic, Heat or even the Bulls. Jerry Buss needs to open his sleeping mind and wallet to make a trade before the trading deadline in order to compete with these much improved teams in the West and East. No way this team of 2010 will bring home the bacon. They need to change the composition of their line-up. This Laker team is only good in paper as to what the NBA General Managers think that the Lakers will win the championship this year. In reality they are no match to a contending teams in the West as well as the East particularly the Celtics (as what Jerry West pointed out) They need to tweak their present line-up in order to be even be called contenders for the NBA title. Whoever it takes to trade make this team a contender again, except for Kobe and Lamar. Mitch it's your turn to make a move and we will be waiting or else three-peat will be over in the second round of the play-off.

LakerTom,

I don't want to get into a debate/fight with you. I'm just trying to make sure
I understand.

It is your position/statement that you are to be believed over Phil Jackson,
Kobe Bryant & Nuggets country. All of whom were/are professional
basketball players and one who has won 11 championships. is that correct?

Jon K. for the win. Congrats on the RF, bro.

DBDH!

Okay that explains it, but I don't like it. All Lakers are worthy of criticism, but I don't think we should bash ANY of them...but hey that's me. Lots here enjoy bashing Fish, Luke, etc. Don't go to the dark side.

That being said...the Lakers will not get a 3pt if Ron doesn't play better. Yesterday was just a terrible game by him. He'll get it togehter...he's too talented not to.

Posted by: LRob | January 31, 2011 at 08:36 AM
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Implicitly, I did criticize everyone but Kobe. I don't even think I "bashed" Artest, at least not compared to the sickening over the top bashing that Bynum, Gasol, Fish, Luke and Blake endure in here. I know you read my posts and rarely do I mention Artest. When he signed with us, I was thrilled because he gave us that element of toughness and defense that I thought would be necessary to repeat. He also shot the ball from 3 point land very well the preceding season. So I guess I was right about that. And while I am not one to talk about off court behavior as a general rule, I have never liked this nut job notwithstanding the Detroit incident and, not unexpectedly, last year's championship has swelled his head more than any other player on the team. He's more concerned with giving away his personal possessions, forgoing his salary next season, making rap records and otherwise distracting himself to the task at hand and it has been evident all season. So I'm just suggesting that he get his act together. If you want to call that "bashing," so be it.

But I am NOT doing what the real bashers are doing which is demanding that he or anyone else be traded. You read my criticisms on Gasol, but I don't call him names or do anything but show appreciation for everything he has done since he arrived here and I can only hope he gets a second wind. Without a 100% Pau, no three-peat and I don't care what player you replace him with. I recognize Bynum's role on this team, realize he's not 100% quite yet, but I'm satisfied with his progress. And I will never abandon D-Fish as long as he's a Laker and I think Lamar Odom is still a unique piece to the championship puzzle with his versatility. I saw enough in the second quarter yesterday to satisfy myself that this team, with its 4-5 combination playing 48 minutes at a high level, cannot be beat in a 7 game series. My only concern is whether Gasol has enough gas left in his tank this season because he is the key to that 4-5 combination. If he's truly on empty, we'll get knocked out in the second round.

Oh, and if that happens, I'll still give this team a standing ovation for all it has given us fans for the past three seasons. Frankly, I still feel spoiled rotten.

LakerTom

"Kobe’s job and responsibility as the unquestioned team leader to get everybody else involved"

WRONG again. It's Kobe's job to help this team win by any means necessary, whether it be by scoring, passing, rebounding, leading, etc. His job changes from game to game, based on the dynamics of each specific game, how defense are playing him and how his teammates are playing. When Gasol and Bynum are aggressive, and having their way, Kobe will feed them the ball. When Gasol is looking fatigued, or when he is getting bullied in the post, and starts shooting fadeaways over Big Baby, or when Bynum is getting dominated by a rookie (Cousins), or when Artest is shooting 10%, than it is up to Kobe and Phil to decide what this team needs. Last night, Bynum, Gasol, Artest and Fish were getting dominated, and Kobe's shooting energized the crowd, and kept the team in the game. Your prediction that Bynum would dominate yesterday has you eating crow again, and rather than owning up to it, you blame the ONE person that showed heart and hustle last night? Really?

I'd rather with The Friedman on a day after we'd beaten the Green Slime instead of for having to remind our team what they play for.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

JT the Brick had a good point on his radio show last night about Phil Jackson:

When a reporter asked Phil if he's dismayed that they haven't beaten any good teams this year, Phil replied,

"It's not the playoffs yet".

JT pointed out that Doc Rivers never would have said anything like that. Doc would not have even gotten close to that statement, because Doc has too much pride as a coach and former player.

If you were an NBA owner, how would you feel if your coach said after a loss, "Well, it's not the playoffs yet" ?

Yes, Phil is the all-time winning coach, but Yes, this is his also last season, and maybe it's starting to show in a few different ways.

inquiring minds wanna know,

earlier you had asked about a blog feud b/n myself and KobeMVP888.

It's hard to say. I've tried to make peace several times. He's firmly
convinced that every time I say anything I have an deceitful motive.
He doesn't believe in facts, unless he posts them.

The only thing that he will accept is that Bynum is a fantastic role player.
If you bother to show any sub par games for Bynum ... you've become a
basher or your ignorant of basketball or your clouding things by speaking
about stats. That's a paraphrase of things.

He'll spin it later on to paint me as Satan incarnate on this blog. I'm not a
true fan. I don't know jack about basketball. I am the ultimate Bynum
Basher.

For everyone else,
if I've missed something in KobeMVP888's opinion of me ... please feel free
to inform "an inquiring mind".

Love Letter to Kobe Bryant from LA Lakers’ Fans
I pen this open letter to No. 24, Mr. “Gametime” Kobe Bryant on behalf of your fans. Growing up in a household of non-sports fans, my interest in sports did not come until later in life. I have fond memories of watching you work against the Pacers in the Finals in the 1999-2000 season. From the moment I saw you handle the ball, I became a fan. Fast forward to one year later, the LA Lakers now “my” Lakers, thanks to you are in the finals again. This is how I developed a love for the game. Watching you endeared me to the game and I subsequently adopted the team you played for as mine. And over the years, I’ve become almost as equally a Lakers fan as I am you fan (maybe Lakers win by a tongue). Still, I find myself in a lot of argument as to why any young player with your natural abilities coupled with a legendary work ethic should be content with being in the shadow of a behemoth of a man like Diesel for the rest of his career. Even though I thought that coupling still had at least 2-3 more years of good work left, I understood your point of view and thankfully, so did the LAL front office. When ‘they’ say you don’t pass the ball, I say why should you when there’s no one worthy of resting your laurels upon just to watch them come short after all your hard work (studying, in the gym, and working for ‘that’ shot opportunity). As the years pass, so does your legend continue to grow. Eighty-one points, anyone? I defy anyone to come close in the current or any future iterations of the game.
Now to the current team, we (fans) felt like criminals when we got ‘Sol Man. Glad to see him work well in those 07-08 highlights with another current stalwart, Ode-Man. And then D “0:0.4” Fish’ rejoins the team? Whoa! We couldn’t be any happier. To us, you are beyond man, you are super human. Even when you went tête-à-têtes with the Rockies, and it seemed that the world’s found your kryptonite. We were cautiously confident that the court will exonerate you. When you changed from No.8 “Showtime” to No.24 “Gametime”, we started to worry that the many years of being one of the most dependable players suited up night after night had began to catch up to you. Then we realized that you had slithered into another form. Gone were the days of backboard breaking dunks (only counts for 2, anyway), we’re now in the era of the ‘Mamba’ (same bird, new tail feather). The fact that winning means so much to you is why we love you. To us, you have nothing more to prove. In this generation, you are it. Never to be equaled. As there is only one No.23, there’s only one Mamba. Forty eight-minute highlights of you taking and making shots mere mortals can only dream of can be compiled enough times to make a seven-game series. You make us believe. As far as a shooting guards go, there’s nothing prototypical about you. We see what you’re capable of but sometimes it appears that you think you’re still that kid trying to carve snag his own. So you take that ONE more shot, that one more drive. This drive is perhaps why you have managed to be so good for so long. But don’t think we haven’t noticed. That’s why you’re starting in the all-star game for a 13th consecutive time.
To this end, we will like to issue to you a challenge. You are surrounded by 2-3 players capable of individually carrying a team to a winning record and average 20+ per but they’ve chosen to remain within your gravitational pull. We challenge you to transform into a premiere passer. For the remainder of the season,
- We want you to retain your drive to win and yet be contented with scoring less.
- Get 10-20 assists per
- Make it a conscious effort to get the ‘Sol Man the most shot attempts
- Never attempt more shots than ‘Young Gun’ Bynum, ‘Sol Man and Ode-Man combined.
We long to see highlight after highlight of you making impeccable passes. With your track record as a scorer, even when teams know you are looking for ‘Sol Man as the first option, you will still attract the attention you have come to command from defenses, giving everyone else that much better of a shot opportunity. And if they develop amnesia, you can burn them like no one else can. As oppose to your opponents knowing you are the first and second option. You go up to shoot, change shot mid flight and then look to pass. While this attract defense, if they properly collapse on you, this will only lead to a turnover or if you become the third option, then a forced shot that we’re all but too familiar with seeing go in. We will rather have the other mortals around you take an open shot than have our hearts skip several beats when you go up.
To us, you are super human, but it might do you better to remember that you are only human. And like Batman has Robin, needs Alfred; His Airness, Sensei Phil, Pippen and D Rod, you need the people around you. If the LAL, transforms into cavalier Cavs with you getting 10-15 shot attempts and double digit assist night after night, trust me YOU are not to blame for that. Once in a while, you’ll need to remind the humans of who you are, but one of two short burst every few games should be enough (like that five-minute stretch vs. the putridly-attired Leprechauns last night [1/30/11] when you…, mmmmm!) But, one against five 48-minute games will just not be enough to pull through this year as it has never been in the past. Everyone on a team in every team sport is important except team sports that are untimed and/or offensive players will never have the opportunity to become a defensive player within the tick of the clock; cough, cough B-A-S-E-B-A-L-L (I don’t even get why this is a sport, when a game can theoretically go on for 10 years. But I digress).
On a final note, beat the ‘Chauns if they prove themselves worthy of gaining audience with you in the finals and put Rivers and his ‘unbeaten’ starting five in their place. But remember, 1 vs. 100 will not do. It’s us versus them.

With Love,
Naigel Smith, On behalf of (your) (LAL) fans.

PAU is the PROBLEM!!! He's passive, weak, lacks passion and heart, and plays like a small-forward. Last year we were able to cover-up his passive play with a strong and determined Kobe and inspiring play by Bynum, and tough play by Artest. Those guys have taken a step back for reasons we can understand (Kobe and Bynums surgeries, Artest fragile mental state) and Pau is scared to step up. He has taken two steps back this year and needs to be traded.

Pau and Artest for:

Deng and Noah
David West and Ariza
Carmello and Nene
Dwight Howard
Favvors, Vujacic, Lopez
Bogut, Maggette

@MVP - I consider your calling Ron a "nut case" bashing. See NewMexLL comments from 9:42am...I agree with her that it was very insensitive.

It's way too early for me to even consider Pau will continue to play like this. He'll bounce back....even if Phil has to sit him for 3-4 games before the playoffs.


@Mamba - That's nearly impossible...out of all the songs.

@HOBBITMAGE ET AL... “It is your position/statement that you are to be believed over Phil Jackson,
Kobe Bryant & Nuggets country. All of whom were/are professional basketball players and one who has won 11 championships. is that correct?”
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Everybody has to make up their own mind about that. Of course, some already made up their mind. The main reasons we lost the game was the subpar and disappointing play of Pau Gasol, Ron Artest, Derek Fisher, and Steve Blake. Kobe had an efficient game scoring wise but failed as the team leader whose job and responsibility is first and foremost to get his teammates involved in the game. Had he done that, I think we could have still won the game. He did not. That’s my opinion and I stand by it. If you don’t agree, no problem. If you think 41 points and 0 assists is a winning formula against the Celtics, it’s your opinion. If you believe every nuance of what Phil says, that would be incredibly naive. If you want to insult me or denigrate my basketball UI, go for it. Bottom line, we are not going to beat the Celtics with Kobe not sharing the ball and posting assists. Kobe did not play team basketball.
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Frankly, I’m almost at the point where I might try and trade Pau Gasol straight up for Carmelo Antony at this point as I don’t see Pau getting any better. His motivation to improve his game is as hapless as his willingness to own up to his weak play and poor efforts. Melo is 4 years younger and plays a much tougher brand of basketball. If the Lakers want to stay relevant as Kobe gets older, trading Pau for Melo right now might be a smart move. I hope I’m wrong about Pau but I suspect that I am not. I wish the numbers were there to also get Chauncey in the same deal but his $14M salary makes that null. Bottom line going forward, I expect Kobe to adjust and play much better team ball next time we meet the Celtics. I also expect Ron to get his act together. My main worry is what do we do about Pau.
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TOM

i had said before that no more trades are needed, the lakers need to play "real hard all the time", well boy was i wrong! the lakers are in trouble but i thought that this was to be their statement game but they just quit. any complaints regarding kobe's takeover needs to be viewed with pj's comment that no one wanted the ball. when that was apparent, kobe took over.if pau takes kg, he gets moved, if he takes perkins he gets moved. drew was worse than lackluster and if at least if there was a fight to demonstrate the lakers pride, i would have been able to see something.now the meat of their schedule is up ,i wonder what this will all look like in 10 days or so

@Mamba - That's nearly impossible...out of all the songs.
Posted by: LRob | January 31, 2011 at 10:28 AM
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You telling me brother, but...so is a 3-Peat to the same woman! LMAO!!!! Oh that was not the only cut, but that was one of the ones...I swear!!! It's a long story, actually it's a kind of 3 degrees of seperation thing.

Hello LAL family (Mambaaaaaaaa....missed you),

Hope you're all doing well. I can guarantee you that I am probably the most pissed LAL fan today. I have to deal with all these fake Boston fans all day and all I ask from my team is to put out a tough effort day in and day out. Helllllll, for all I care, we could lose every game on our schedule EXCEPT for the Boston games (not really but you get my drift).

I will only say that Bynum, Gasol, and Artest better get it together and very fast. Artest seems like he's still in China with Shin Shin (WTF)...where the hell did his defensive efforts go?

Pau is playing like the '08 "silly puddy" Pau...dude can't protect the paint to save his life...and he was definitely off his offensive game yesterday, like he was scared or something.

And as for Bynum...oh Bynum...he has the body, he has the weight and size...what the dude needs is a friggin' personality...sort of like Kim Kardashian...has it all except for a friggin' personality. I want this guy to dunk like he wants to tear the rim off the hinges, I want him to knock Perkins off his ass so hard that he'll fake an injury everytime he plays the Lakers, I want him to pump his chest when he dunks over Shaq...shoot, act like you have some damn desire to win dude.

Ok, sorry for my rant but I needed to let it out. I know this game doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things but it did to me and they let me down. I'm going to be at the Feb. 10th meeting here in Boston and I better get a better effort from these fools. Time to make the rest of the league afraid to play us.

No personal criticisms or flames, just honest comments from a long time lurker because my job is boring...

1. Naigel Smith, do you honestly think any Laker player cares about all that rambling you posted, especially Kobe Bryant, who already publically stated he doesn't give a damn about what fans think.

2. Why do you some of you congratulate Jon K? Who cares about a reader comment of the day when it's posted on a 3rd rate blog frequented by only a handful of readers?

3. If the Lakers don't care about the regular season, why do most of you? Does the phrase, "Get a Life" Ring a Bell.

Go Clippers.

No personal criticisms or flames, just honest comments from a long time lurker because my job is boring...

1. Naigel Smith, do you honestly think any Laker player cares about all that rambling you posted, especially Kobe Bryant, who already publically stated he doesn't give a damn about what fans think.

2. Why do you some of you congratulate Jon K? Who cares about a reader comment of the day when it's posted on a 3rd rate blog frequented by only a handful of readers?

3. If the Lakers don't care about the regular season, why do most of you? Does the phrase, "Get a Life" Ring a Bell.

Go Clippers.

Pau is not the problem. Pau is the best PF in the game right now. Sure, he gets punked sometimes, mostly by the Celtics, but his skill-set is unmatched.

If we get rid of Pau, we have no chance. That's a fact. Even if we were to get Carmelo, we'd be too small to compete with the Celtics.

I can't stand it when we lose and everyone is looking for a scapegoat. Just face the fact the we lost as a team. There is no one Laker to blame. This team won 2 championships already. Making a trade, especially trading Pau Gasol, is a Charger/Padre move, not the move of a championship team.

Go Lakers!
Go Aztecs!

Congrats Jon K. - good stuff.

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Somebody mentioned earlier that this game meant more to the greenies. Now that you guys have me thinking about this, I agree.

The whole HCA is something we need to be mindful of as the season progresses. Look at who is constantly on the greenies behind - they have a legit 3 other teams (ORL, MIA, CHI). The worst we can do is 4th in our conference.

Seedings are going to way more important for the EC.

As for the WC - Spurs have to be on every night because Dallas is legit this year. I don't think Pop wants to have another 6, 7, 8 seeding - remember last year. The Spurs spent all of last year saying HCA didn't mean anything, this year, they actually have to keep looking over their shoulder.

I think this whole nipping at the bud thing can get a little tiring during the course of a very long season. It's exhausting having to be on EVERY single night.

I'm not excusing lack of team play, strengthening weakneses, TEAM defense, etc. But I think part of PJ's psychology with this Laker team is let everyone else beat themselves up. Let everyone else get the glory of the regular season media hype.

There are certainly going to be L's as well as very frustrating games where we (the casual, yet hyper, super Laker fans) get a little nutty, PJ knows how to manage a champion season. And my money is still on the Lakers and as long as he's coach, still on PJ!

If PJ sees progress, then I am okay with that. He will never tell us (or the media otherwise) but if we start to see some improvements (esp after ASG), then I think we will be on the right track.

I can still expect a much higher level of play from the Lakers. But let's face it - HCA means way more to the Celtics this year than it does to the Lakers. It meant more to the Cavs last year and oops there it went. HA!

PJ is the master. And when the chips are down and it's Spurs/Lakers in WCF - deep down, PJ knows we can beat the Spurs and frankly I feel that too. No way the Spurs beat us in 7.

I think PJ is saying if this Laker team stays in top 3 record-wise - we have a good chance to keep HCA - like last year. He might be playing a little roulette but the NBA is "where amazing happens".

Cheers all - PLG

Posted by: PsychedLakerGirl | January 31, 2011 at 10:40 AM

The comments made on here regarding Artest. That he's a "Nutjob" and I've never liked him and speak little about him.

That statement is no different than the preference that Hobbit has stated about Bynum. If I understand him correctly, he simply feels the kid doesn't work hard enough and that attitude and WILL are lacking.

So, how is it you single out Hobbit for his personal views about Bynum and yet you can bash or at minimum not appreciate one of our starters? That's a pretty slippery slope.

I'm going to be at the Feb. 10th meeting here in Boston and I better get a better effort from these fools. Time to make the rest of the league afraid to play us. Posted by: EastCoastJessie | January 31, 2011 at 10:38 AM
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WOW!!!!!!!! When you come back Princess you come back with Swagger and Attitude!!! Get down with your bad self!! With EastCoastJessie representing Lakers Nation at the game victory is just about assured!!! Lol! This has been a heck of a day for The Reall Laker Girls representing on the Blog. All of you get my respect and admiration. So how have you been doing Princess? I hope all is going well physically and school wise.

i had said before that no more trades are needed, the lakers need to play "real hard all the time", well boy was i wrong! the lakers are in trouble but i thought that this was to be their statement game but they just quit. any complaints regarding kobe's takeover needs to be viewed with pj's comment that no one wanted the ball. when that was apparent, kobe took over.if pau takes kg, he gets moved, if he takes perkins he gets moved. drew was worse than lackluster and if at least if there was a fight to demonstrate the lakers pride, i would have been able to see something.now the meat of their schedule is up ,i wonder what this will all look like in 10 days or so

Posted by: lance from da' bronx | January 31, 2011 at 10:34 AM

@lance- Anybody with sense knows this isn't good, no matter how much the homers want to spin, the players/coaching staff want to rationalize. They're not where they need to be, as you say. This is the time to create good habits, and it just isn't happening.

The next 10 days, I'm looking towards, that Grammy road trip as well. It's not looking good if they're focus is like this. This trip, to me, is not looking good, and if they come back with a losing record, it's going to get worse. Look up Quicksand.

3. If the Lakers don't care about the regular season, why do most of you? Does the phrase, "Get a Life" Ring a Bell.

Posted by: Clippers Fan | January 31, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Look who's talking you hypocritical ass.

WOW!!!!!!!! When you come back Princess you come back with Swagger and Attitude!!! Get down with your bad self!! With EastCoastJessie representing Lakers Nation at the game victory is just about assured!!! Lol! This has been a heck of a day for The Reall Laker Girls representing on the Blog. All of you get my respect and admiration. So how have you been doing Princess? I hope all is going well physically and school wise.

Posted by: mamba24 | January 31, 2011 at 10:48 AM


Haha Mamba, thanks for the props. School is going great and I'm feeling much better. Just plugging along. How are you? How is everything?

if we are this ticked off as fans........? , i hope the lakers have a players-only meeting if that is what is needed.i don't know, are we expecting them to do things they can no longer do? perhaps, but they had a chance to demonstrate their defense of the title and didn't show up.

ok, trades.what is needed? well as they say, you can't teach height.i do not see pau getting a new body type. we had our year with ron-ron. luke is useful, but not that useful.i think maybe even drew may be used as bait. but for who? carmello?

if we are this ticked off as fans........? , i hope the lakers have a players-only meeting if that is what is needed.i don't know, are we expecting them to do things they can no longer do? perhaps, but they had a chance to demonstrate their defense of the title and didn't show up.

Posted by: lance from da' bronx | January 31, 2011 at 10:55 AM

@lance- the real crime is Dr.Buss has to pay these guys, even when they play like this. It hurts our pride, it hurts his wallet even more, he's paying a luxury tax for this? No wonder he yells at Jimmy and Mitch a lot (or so has been reported)

@EastCoastJessie, if you are doing well school wise and physically, then all is well with the world and me. I just came back from a spur of the moment honeymoon lol!

Having gone to three consecutive Finals and winning two of them is a great accomplishment. It can't ever be taken away from them or the fans.
The only downside of this is that people develop an attitude that because they did it three times in a row, surely they will do it again.
This is certainly a natural reaction for fans and pundits. It would be natural even for players to think it as well.

But it is clear to anyone who wants to see it, anyone who is willing to actually try and look at things objectively, a malaise has crept up on this years Lakers. They may not even be aware of it.

This years Lakers isn't last years Lakers, just like you aren't the same person you were last year. We don't notice how we change on a day to day basis. We don't notice the small incremental physical deterioration, we don't notice the day to day things that effect our thoughts, our attitudes, our desires and motivations. But they do change.

There comes a point where the sacrifice required is just too much to give for the prize. There may be some Lakers who may have lost the "do whatever it takes" mental attitude required to drive themselves to the point required to continue winning championships and there are some Lakers who never had that attitude in the first place. It's extremely difficult for most players to maintain the focus, energy and commitment required to win just one championship.

Is Kobe the same Kobe as last year? Yes, maybe better.
Is Pau the same Pau as last year? How about Ron?
Without the same Pau and Ron as last year, can the Lakers really win it all again?

These Lakers can do better, maybe.
In the playoffs they can ratchet up the intensity, maybe.
In the playoffs they can overcome the poor work habits they are establishing during this regular season, maybe.

In the last three years Finals the team with HCA won each time, as is most often the case. It's actually pretty unusual for the team without HCA to win a Finals.
The Lakers are have dug themselves into a hole. Instead of filling it in as the season goes on, they seem to be digging it deeper.
They are not accomplishing any home court dominance this year.

Pau and Ron seem like they visited the Hotel California.
Sometimes I wish the media and fans would rip Pau and Ron so bad they would get mad as hell and not gunna take it anymore and play like they are going to make anyone who dare bashed them look stupid. But I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.

The whole team seems to be feeding off Gasols soft finesse approach instead of Kobe's "don't back down" Tom Petty attitude.
Where's the toughness?
Drew could be a major enforcer if he would choose to do so.
Instead, he chooses not.

The only one's who have the right mindset are Kobe and a never say die Fish who just doesn't have the physical skills to make a difference.
And Phil seems to have an attitude along the lines of hey, you are the guys that won the last two championships, you should know what it takes so get it done, just go do your thing and I'll be over here watching.

Trades aren't going to save the Lakers this year. Mitch has made his bed, this is the team they will go with.
It has become quite clear perhaps more than any other year for this team, that they think they can turn it on in the playoffs and win, even without HCA.
The odds of any team winning the Finals without HCA are not good.
The odds of any team going to 4 consecutive Finals are even worse.
We'll see...

@EastCoastJessie, if you are doing well school wise and physically, then all is well with the world and me. I just came back from a spur of the moment honeymoon lol!

Posted by: Mamba24 | January 31, 2011 at 11:03 AM

Thank you! What do you mean "spur of the moment"...like Vegas spur of the moment? Either way, congrats!! You have some 'splainin' to do mister!!!LOL

@Tom
"Frankly, I’m almost at the point where I might try and trade Pau Gasol straight up for Carmelo Antony at this point as I don’t see Pau getting any better."

I agree with you one this one, IF Bynum can turn into the beast we know he can be, not for short stretches, but escpecially for these big games against playof opponents.

I wish Pau could play at the level he did a few years back, but it seems like he's in the declining stage of his career. It's time for a shakeup!

LT - trade Pau? Woah, that's kind of big but interesting. We know how PJ loves to stock up on bigs so I am surprised by your pick of Carmelo. I don't really consider him a big as much as a tough guy (ode to Durant's Bosh bash).

I like his toughness but I am not ready to give LO full status in the PF position - we have great luxury and flexibility right now. But, your thought is still interesting. Can you elaborate a little more on your thought process there?

Yesterday was the first time we faced a stockpile of bigs constantly barraging Pau and AB. We can complain the PJ didn't make any in-game adjustments, but why should he play his cards? We have one more game against them in Boston so you can bet there will be some changes.

But the next time they meet would be in the finals. Doc/Celts know us and very well. I think strategically PJ is close to the vest with these guys and tried to let them play but at the end - didn't need any injuries, so he pulled them.

We can say they didn't have a good game - but at the end of the day - the Celtics have stockpiled bigs to play us in the Finals. So, have the Lakers. I am willing to keep calm until then.

Cheers - PLG

Thank you! What do you mean "spur of the moment"...like Vegas spur of the moment? Either way, congrats!! You have some 'splainin' to do mister!!!LOL Posted by: EastCoastJessie | January 31, 2011 at 11:06 AM
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Naw, not like that.Now Princess don't laugh. lol! Like deciding to marry the same woman on the spur of the moment for the 3rd time! Stop that ECJ! Stop it now!! LMAO!!!!

JohnnyV..............You can call out a person without calling him a Nut Job......Especially a person that is trying to get help for that problem. Stick to the real facts in that he had an awful game {which he did} and leave it at that! Celtic Fans.......2000 to present.. Lakers 5 championships {going on 6} Celtics 1 !!!!!!!!!!. Paula 1, Garnett, 1 Ray 1.. Kobe and Fish 5 big ones!! Keep dreaming!

@Art
EXCELLENT post!
Let's hope our team can beat the odds this year. I beleive they can still turn it around, but I think change needs to happen. I also beleive that a shakeup in the lineup would help this team out A LOT.

Since you mentioned it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUTXb-ga1fo

Naw, not like that.Now Princess don't laugh. lol! Like deciding to marry the same woman on the spur of the moment for the 3rd time! Stop that ECJ! Stop it now!! LMAO!!!!

Posted by: Mamba24 | January 31, 2011 at 11:11 AM


Awwww hell Mamba...you're a softie...love it! Did you divorce and get remarried again and again or are you just renewing your vows over and over?? Hell, I'm trying to get out of the 1 marriage I do have and wouldn't dare think of making that mistake again! LOL

@EastCoastJessie, Get my E-mail address from MM and I'll tell you the whole crazy story.

I'm hoping a change is going to come, either in this team's attitude, or personell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErD-uawYMWE

J West,

You better be Jerry Fricken West to use that title. He is one of the Greatest players ever and a core of everything that it means to be a Laker.

If you are NOT actually Jerry West I suggest you use at different moniker lest I meet you in a dark alley.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Posted by: Jon K

MM,

Why is this guy allowed to threaten me ?

@NewMexicoLL and JohnnyV, come on folks, play nice. Pleasssse?

@MVP - I consider your calling Ron a "nut case" bashing. See NewMexLL comments from 9:42am...I agree with her that it was very insensitive.

Posted by: LRob | January 31, 2011 at 10:28 AM
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That's the way I have ALWAYS felt about him, but I have restrained myself from voicing that opinion in here until now. So call me "very insensitive." I can live with that. Have you ever seen me post anything about him when MM puts up articles about him? Nope. That's why. I'm insensitive to a lot of things because I have strong opinions. So call me judgmental, too. The thing that cracks me up is that Artest takes less bashing in here than Gasol, Bynum and Fish combined. People go bonkers over him because they find him humorous and generous. Not me. Never have, never will. His post game interview after Game 7 .. which was hilarious strictly from a perverse standpoint .. showed who he was and he's been at it ever since. He might be a great teammate and all, but his mental deficiencies have been playing out on the basketball court all season. Like I said before, I am hopeful that he gets his act together and I suspect that he probably will. I just want him to perform on the basketball court and I have no interest in his crazy off the court conduct. So far the latter has generally consumed the former this season. Sorry if it doesn't go over well in here, but then again, very little of what I have to offer does go over well in here. So be it.

Just send me an e-mail at eastcoastjessie@yahoo.com

Sorry if it doesn't go over well in here, but then again, very little of what I have to offer does go over well in here. So be it. Posted by: KobeMVP888 | January 31, 2011 at 11:19 AM
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Now, now my brother that is simply not true. You are a well respected member of Lakers Nation. It's just that your approach to some things is like you are trying a life or death case. I think all some members of the Nation are trying to say is, it really is not that serious and if possible use just a little less of that tremendous legal cross examining fire power. I apologize in advance in sticking my nose into somewhere where it doesn't belong but it pains me to see you folks argue so when it is so evident that you are all good decent Lakerholics. Now I shall slink away and await my bashing. Again no offense meant my brother.

Just send me an e-mail at eastcoastjessie@yahoo.com Posted by: EastCoastJessie | January 31, 2011 at 11:20 AM
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OK, will do, I'll do it right now.

mclyne,

Thanks.
That link you posted, the Lakers should have that song blaring in the locker room before every game.
Attitude matters.
And this Alfred E Neuman What? Me worry(?) attitude this team has sucks.

Trades aren't going to save the Lakers this year. Mitch has made his bed, this is the team they will go with.

Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | January 31, 2011 at 11:05 AM

You're absolutely, 100% correct. Trades aren't happening.

What would Masai Ujiri's motivation be for Trading Melo for Pau? That trade doesn't make any sense from Denver's perspective. They'd be worse off actually. A lineup full of bigs and no viable perimeter offense. That makes no sense for the Lakers, which I've already spoken about.

Even if, and that's a BIG if, the Lakers put Gasol on the open market, what kind of value would you get?

Not even value that's for sure. The Lakers would want a blue chip player coming back, that being said, the contracts on this team are so inflated, they'd be forced to take back a bad contract or two themselves. Not happening.

Not one team in the NBA will Rob Peter to pay Paul. Dr. Buss will not change just for change sake now, we're too far into the Looking Glass for that approach.
This is a recession guys, Dr.Buss willing spends money to make the team better, he's not going to gamble the collective unity of the Franchise just to see if it would take. That's why

No worries, the Lakers have a chance to beat Boston in Boston on Feb. 10th!

The very next game (Feb. 11th) will be the Lakers traveling to New York City to take on the Knicks, and I'm going to be there!

The very next game (Feb. 11th) will be the Lakers traveling to New York City to take on the Knicks, and I'm going to be there!

Posted by: RamneetKB24 | January 31, 2011 at 11:32 AM

I'm glad you're excited about the prospects of the game. I hope you realize that game is on a back to back, and they could easily get crushed by 20 points.

For your sake, hope you get your money's worth, on the other hand you also get what you pay for.

Cheers.

LakerTom,

you wrote: Everybody has to make up their own mind about that. Of course, some already made up their mind. The main reasons we lost the game was the subpar and disappointing play of Pau Gasol, Ron Artest, Derek Fisher, and Steve Blake. Kobe had an efficient game scoring wise but failed as the team leader whose job and responsibility is first and foremost to get his teammates involved in the game. Had he done that, I think we could have still won the game. He did not. That’s my opinion and I stand by it. If you don’t agree, no problem. If you think 41 points and 0 assists is a winning formula against the Celtics, it’s your opinion. If you believe every nuance of what Phil says, that would be incredibly naive. If you want to insult me or denigrate my basketball UI, go for it. Bottom line, we are not going to beat the Celtics with Kobe not sharing the ball and posting assists. Kobe did not play team basketball.

my response: According to what you have written, no player is responsible
for their own lack of hustle. Kobe is responsible for them not hustling, not
being in position to rebound, & not being in the right position to receive a
pass. Unfortunately, this flies directly in the face of what Phil Jackson has
said about everyone else. That is why I have phrased my questions in the light
that I have. I wanted to be clear about who was thinking what.

No, I don't think that 41 pts & 0 assists is a winning formula. I have also
watched Kobe play for ~ 14 seasons. This exact same thing happened when
we had Smush, Kwame & co. The exact same arguments were made. It has
now been clarified that they played like punks. i.e. they sucked. So after
Kobe drops 41 pts on one of the best defensive teams in the league and Phil
Jackson points the finger at Kobe's teammates, you say Phil is wrong and it's
all Kobe's fault. That just seems ... incorrect to me. Either Phil knows what
he's talking about or he doesn't. The 11 rings does speak volumes. So does
the former professional basketball player on the blog. However, y'all could
all be smokin' crack and the real reason for the loss is ... Sun Spots!

you also wrote:
Frankly, I’m almost at the point where I might try and trade Pau Gasol straight up for Carmelo Antony at this point as I don’t see Pau getting any better. His motivation to improve his game is as hapless as his willingness to own up to his weak play and poor efforts. Melo is 4 years younger and plays a much tougher brand of basketball.

my response: interesting words. Does this make you a Pau-basher?
Some people might compare the careers of Pau & Bynum and substitute
Bynum in your proposed trade. Not me, but people I know.

In any case, it's good to have your words on record.

btw, I did find this particularly interesting.

you wrote: The main reasons we lost the game was the subpar and disappointing play of Pau Gasol, Ron Artest, Derek Fisher, and Steve Blake.
I noticed that you didn't put Bynum's name in that list.

fyi: http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310130013

Bynum checked in with a mighty 11 pts and a whopping 6 rebounds. He also
had 1 blk, 0 assists & 0 steals. However, he doesn't make the list of sub par
performances.

Umm ... what dictionary do yo use? What is your criteria for sub par?

@KobeMVP888...You know I think you are being very HARSH and I take offense the way you poke fun of Ron being nuts. If you want to bash the way he's playing or that he's not stepping up, fine go for it, he'd probably agree. But until you've walked in his shoes and know what he has to deal with every day of his life,I think you owe him and all the other people that suffer from this illness!!!!!!!

Posted by: NewMexicoLL | January 31, 2011 at 09:46 AM
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How do you know what "illness" he suffers from? He's not the first person to go to a psychiatrist. Hell, I've been to a few therapists. To me it's a big act like Rodman was. Or Isaiah Rider. It's an act that he can control and DID control all last season except for his mysterious Christmas Day mishap when he allegedly fell down the stairs of his house. His act IS spilling out on to the court and that's not what he's being paid to do. I'm sorry if you feel sorry for poor Ron-Ron, but I personally have NEVER liked HIM, just certain aspects of his game. All I want is for him to do is be a good boy like he was all last season and play basketball. This was the concern with him coming here and fortunately we were able to get the championship and one of the main reasons was because he remained tame and focused.

If you have read my posts, I am 110% devoted to the Lakers and appreciate what this team has accomplished more than 95% of the bloggers who come in here. If we don't three-peat, they will still get a standing ovation from me because they have blessed us as fans, just like I gave them a standing ovation in my family room after we lost Game 6 in 2008. I just hope Artest can start to re-focus and I hope Gasol can get his mojo back. Those are the 2 main keys to a three-peat, IMHO, especially Gasol. This is that last you will hear anything from me about my feelings about Artest. Until the aftermath of yesterday's game, it was also the first.

@sean

You have forgotten one very important fact about Jerry Buss: he is a big time gambler.

I do a gree that a big trade probably won't happen, but I can still hope.

You have forgotten one very important fact about Jerry Buss: he is a big time gambler.

Posted by: mclyne | January 31, 2011 at 11:42 AM

No doubt, he's a gambler. I just meant that there has to be a tangible reason to shake things up, 33-15 record is hardly cause for change for change's sake, on the face value of the record. The performance is something else, is their tension between Ron and Phil that's finally reached a boil.

In Ron's defense, the coaching staff and the players have really put chains on this guy's game as well, while not in Earl the Pearl's league, essentially, Ron's been chained up, just like Earl was when he came to New York. Now granted, they both won chips, they're games have equally suffered. Ron was a beastly man, in the post, perimeter game was adequate. Now, in the Triangle, they took a mean pitbull and chained him to the fence. Don't like the way Ron is playing, some of that's his fault, most, the other guys haven't tried to facilitate Ron's game this year.

Everyone needs to give Ron his criticism. I have always liked the way he played the game, he's turned into a whiner the last couple of years. I wouldn't go so far as to call him a cry baby, that being said, he's come close to being looked upon like that, if he can't take the heat from Phil.


Lamar's foul on Davis...how to respond to something that stupid. For every great play Odom makes, there's a couple of brain farts you have to live with. That was one of the dumbest things I've seen on a playing field.

celtics are the best !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WRONG again. It's Kobe's job to help this team win by any means necessary, whether it be by scoring, passing, rebounding, leading, etc. His job changes from game to game, based on the dynamics of each specific game, how defense are playing him and how his teammates are playing. When Gasol and Bynum are aggressive, and having their way, Kobe will feed them the ball. When Gasol is looking fatigued, or when he is getting bullied in the post, and starts shooting fadeaways over Big Baby, or when Bynum is getting dominated by a rookie (Cousins), or when Artest is shooting 10%, than it is up to Kobe and Phil to decide what this team needs. Last night, Bynum, Gasol, Artest and Fish were getting dominated, and Kobe's shooting energized the crowd, and kept the team in the game. Your prediction that Bynum would dominate yesterday has you eating crow again, and rather than owning up to it, you blame the ONE person that showed heart and hustle last night? Really?

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | January 31, 2011 at 10:12 AM

good points

Jon K. - I've warned you before. Whether you like the person's handle or not, don't make personal attacks

You know folks this ISH is getting way out of hand when phrases like be a good boy and remain tame are thrown around. Let's just take a step back and agree to disagree.
Pleasssssssssssse?

Hmmm, I didn't see anything about the "throw-back" uniforms the Lakers were wearing against the Celts on Sunday.

Did you notice? They looked like they were from the Magic Johnson era, or maybe even further back? They had the rounded neck and shading on the numbers.

Now if we could only get Magic Johnson back when we need him . . . . . . .

Hmmm, I didn't see anything about the "throw-back" uniforms the Lakers were wearing against the Celts on Sunday.

Did you notice? They looked like they were from the Magic Johnson era, or maybe even further back? They had the rounded neck and shading on the numbers.

Now if we could only get Magic Johnson back when we need him . . . . . . .

Oh Mamba, I see what you were talking about. What the heck happened to this place? Come on kids, play nice!

Phil's post game comment made me wonder if no one really wanted the ball or if Kobe, in fact, didn't trust his teammates? Can you really criticize Kobe for scoring 41 points? When he would pass the ball, it would get passed right back to him.
Gasol & Bynum didn't contribute much at all but most articles you read will always say that Kobe is a ball hog, this maybe true but did he really have a choice? NO ONE stepped up besides him!!! I realize that Gasol is tired but he needs to get back into the triangle offense rhythm. He hasn't played well for numerous games. I sometimes question Phil's choices when he keeps Gasol in the game when he's basically just running laps on the court?!
Good ball rotation and going back to basics works best for them so I don't understand why they revert back to "pass it to Kobe" for some games?! They are totally out of sync, that's the problem ...

@Larry Johnson When the Lakers are at their best, they can beat the celtics! Sorry :(

I hope Pau is all right physically and not suffering from some hidden malady that is sapping his strength. We need him.

Last year, I mentioned that Pau Gasol for Amare Stoudemire straight up worked on RealGM's TradeChecker....and was promptly hooted down. Hmmm.....

LakerTom: Peace. & I agree that something is very wrong with Pau. Unless he is suffering from mono or similar then he is pouting/depressed and it is affecting the team drastically. Trade - who knows, but I have been blogging for a nasty banging big for months now, also, however we get it done. Kobe can score & assist enough if he has people breaking to an open spot who can put a shot in the basket. We need a Kevin Love type who can bang and get his own on putbacks/STRONG tipins and such. Pau has turned back into that weak sister we picked on as kids and the whole NBA knows it, which is worse!


"AW HELL YEAH!!!
RCOTD = JON K. = OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!!!!! KUDOS!!!

Posted by: mmaba24 | January 31, 2011 at 09:34 AM "


DITTO!

@HOBBITMAGE... “my response: According to what you have written, no player is responsible
for their own lack of hustle. Kobe is responsible for them not hustling, not being in position to rebound, & not being in the right position to receive a pass.”
...
Please show me where I have ever said that “no player is responsible for their own lack of hustle” or that “Kobe is responsible for them not hustling, not being in position to rebound, & not being in the right position to receive a pass?” This is a perfect example of your misinterpreting and paraphrasing my comments to allege that I said something I never ever said or believe. What is worse is that I am pretty sure that you know me well enough from our recent friendly conversations to know that, too.
............................................
TOM

@KobeMVP888............Amen,I said how I feel and I'm done! I've read all your blogs and I do know your a Lakerholic and I am not one to stir the pot, I guess that just triggered the Mom in me. Congrats to JonK!

number 18 is coming to bean town baby

number 18 is coming to bean town baby

This game was very awful, like this one person said, if you have a laker jersy on you have to go full or not at all and leave the team. Koby and Fisher was the only players playing this game. when koby shot and missed, no rebounds, no getting the ball, bynum and pao did nothing. I have been a laker fan since i was born, and i still am, it just dissapoints me that only 2 players played the basketball game. not only was it very poor defense, our big man didn't do nothing at all but stand there and watch them shoot, i know from a little kid i have alwasy played basketball at the parks with my friends, and i can play better defense than what the lakers did that day, except for koby and fish, i just didn't seem real, we are a better team than boston and we just let them walk in, they made most of there shots in the paint, nobody from the laers went to the paint exept koby, i know he has to be very mad, cause i know i would be very mad. The fans gather and pay this money to see this happen is crazy,so crazy. When they loose i loose, they stoll have time, and they better wake up, no exuse for our big men to play like they did, it was so bad it was unreal, i thought something was wrong with me.


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