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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 108-83 victory over Detroit Pistons

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Game stories

--The Times' Mike Bresnahan looks at all the drama entering the Lakers' 108-83 victory over the Detroit Pistons.

--The Daily News' Vincent Bonsignore notes that the Lakers overcame all the distractions for at least one game.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding details how the Lakers got back on track.

--The Detroit Free Press' Vince Ellis examines the Pistons' second-half meltdown.

--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's David Lassen focuses on the Lakers' dominance over Detroit.

Notebooks

--The Times' Bresnahan and myself report on the back-and-forth exchange between Mark Cuban, Phil Jackson and Jeanie Buss.

--The Daily News' Vincent Bonsignore highlights Jackson's belief that the Lakers are suffering a New Year's Eve hangover.

--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Lassen focuses on Jackson clarifying the Ron Artest situation.

Sidebars

--The Times' Kevin Baxter highlights Kobe Bryant surpassing Dominique Wilkins for 10th place on the NBA's all-time scoring list.

--ESPN.com's Ric Bucher reports that Lakers forward Pau Gasol missed the entire morning shootaround prior to a double-digit loss Sunday to Memphis.

--Hoopsworld's Eric Pincus describes Bryant's contention that the Lakers had worse issues to deal with in the 2001-02 season.

--Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski reports that Artest loudly confronted Jackson about the coach's public criticisms, an event Jackson confirmed but said wasn't loud.

--Fox Sports' Billy Witz reports Bryant's statement that he didn't plant the various stories surrounding Artest and Gasol.

Columns

--The Times' Bill Plaschke reports that Artest is far from happy about the leak of the story concerning his confrontation with Jackson.

--The Times' T.J. Simers criticizes some of Wojnarowski's reporting regarding the Artest-Jackson situation.

--The Orange County Register's Ding credits Bryant's pre-game speech.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin argues that the Lakers' defense could be their "salvation."

--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Gregg Patton maintains that the Lakers' win against Detroit doesn't really cure anything.

Blogs

--The Times' Broderick Turner reports Shannon Brown won't participate in the slam dunk contest this year.

--Ball Don't Lie's Eric Freeman expresses amusement over three Lakers having faulty iPhone alarm clocks.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky breaks down the Lakers' victory.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky analyzes a few Lakers statistics.

--NBA.com's Sekou Smith looks at all the Lakers' drama.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell dissects the Lakers' victory with a running diary and postgame numbers.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius Soriano analyzes the Lakers' beatdown.

--Silver Screen and Rolls' DexterFishmore was impressed with the Lakers' performance.

Tweet of the Day: "THX DAD 4 BUYING ME SUCH A GOOD "GIFT"! >RT @LATimesLakers: Mark Cuban refers to Phil Jackson as Jeanie Buss' 'boy toy' http://lat.ms/dRPmdY -- JeanieBuss (Lakers executive vice president Jeanie Buss)

Reader Comment of the Day: "The Lakers looked like themselves last night ... not some bizarro mutant version of the Lakers." -- Jon K.

--Mark Medina
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LOL congrats Jon K...I enjoyed the post...I remember those 'Bizarro Supeman' issues...

Congrats Jon K!

Congrats Jon K on the RCOTD. It had me thinking of that Seinfeld episode.

That tweet of the day is just gross wrong and nasty.

In short, just imagine if he had the same work ethic and dedication to the sport as Kobe. That's what ticks me off the most - as a fan - because those two alone would have owned the league right through today. Imagine the fun the FO would have had continually building and adding to those two. Two words come to mind when I think of Snaq: Wasted Talent

Posted by: frmkt | January 05, 2011 at 01:02 PM
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frmkt - I think "wasted talent" is pretty harsh. Shaq has had a great career. Yes, he could've been better, but I think he's acquitted himself well for the talent he was blessed with. Kobe's probably in the top 1% in work ethic/dedication so that's a tough standard to stack up against.

@frmkt and LRob

I thinhk the wasted talent part comes into play when you consider what might have been if Snaq could have stayed in shape and if he and Kobe could have stayed togther. They would have won between six and eight Rings together.

@Jon K
Congrats on the Friedman. During the bad blowouts, it's almost as if the players out there were robotic clones of themselves.

my first two selections of the day:
first one is dedicated to the Big Snaq:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcJjMnHoIBI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Goi2YcW2To&feature=channel

It wasn't all about Shaq's conditioning. It's 7 years later and he's still a useful player, the only one from his draft class still around, I believe.

Kobe and Shaq couldn't co-exist well and that was the bigger problem. They're both to blame for that. They could have stayed together after the 2004 season but they both wanted to be away from each other.

Kobemvp888

U showed dfish stls stats so I countered with his other stat categories. I am simply pointing out statistical FACTS so how is that showing no respect or appreciation. Pls don't start huffin n puffin everytime anyone mentions dfish name in vain.. Those comments were not even directed at YOU so my intent was really not to pester YOU DUDE.. I know ur a self admitted dfish homer which is fine n dandy so I see its almost pointless carrying an objective dfish conversation w you.... but for the love of christ what's it gonna take to get a little elbow room up in here! Sheesh :-)

@LRob
Snaq made waves in the league due to his natural ability and size - actually caused some of the rules to be changed, due to his dominance - but never really attempted to hone his natural abilities - in my opinion - to achieve unadulterated greatness and I think that was some of the friction between he and Kobe. Kobe was always game ready at the start of every season with something new added to his game while Snaq just suited up and relied on his size to dominate the league. I'm sorry, but from my vantage point, he simply took it all for granted and robbed a franchise and a coach of true greatness earned by dedication and very hard work.

But really, to discuss him now in detail is "wasted energy." He is who is and now he's with Boston trying to latch on to another team in hopes of getting another ring while our very own Kobe Bryant has stayed the course and in the process, is making his case for being one of the greatest, if not, the greatest player to wear the uniform. In June, Kobe will say he has "two more than Shaq!"

From Shaq, to Snaq, to Shraq..... pitiful. Just pitiful.


Count me in among those waving pom poms cuz we won last night! I'll take any and every win at this point and count it as a positive step in the right direction. If we can't get excited about a W, no matter who it's against, why bother watching? It's a game - it's supposed to fun, right?

Almost forgot - JON K - FTW!!!!

"@LRob
Snaq made waves in the league due to his natural ability and size - actually caused some of the rules to be changed, due to his dominance - but never really attempted to hone his natural abilities - in my opinion - to achieve unadulterated greatness and I think that was some of the friction between he and Kobe. Kobe was always game ready at the start of every season with something new added to his game while Snaq just suited up and relied on his size to dominate the league. I'm sorry, but from my vantage point, he simply took it all for granted and robbed a franchise and a coach of true greatness earned by dedication and very hard work.

But really, to discuss him now in detail is "wasted energy." He is who is and now he's with Boston trying to latch on to another team in hopes of getting another ring while our very own Kobe Bryant has stayed the course and in the process, is making his case for being one of the greatest, if not, the greatest player to wear the uniform. In June, Kobe will say he has "two more than Shaq!"


Posted by: frmkt | January 05, 2011 at 02:23 PM "

I thought the friction was moreso about Shaq's knowledge that even without a decent jumpshot, without free throw ability, and without being a dietician, he was physically unstoppable when he got inside. No matter how hard Kobe worked or how amazing of a play he could make, Shaq underneath the basket was going to produce 2 points at a better percentage than Kobe on the perimeter could. Shaq knew it and he expected Kobe to know it too.

Shaq expected to get the ball whenever he wanted it and he expected to get the glory when things went well. Kobe didn't like living in that shadow and thought of himself as being plenty capable of getting things done as well so there was a power struggle between them. As obnoxious as Shaq's attitude was, he was right. He really did need the ball regularly because he was just physically unstoppable. If Shaq had been the leader for 2-3 more years before Kobe tried to take control, they might have been able to transition better into a role flip once Shaq's dominance started to wear off. Shaq played the complentary role quite nicely for Wade in Miami.

Kobemvp888

U showed dfish stls stats so I countered with his other stat categories. I am simply pointing out statistical FACTS so how is that showing no respect or appreciation. Pls don't start huffin n puffin everytime anyone mentions dfish name in vain.. Those comments were not even directed at YOU so my intent was really not to pester YOU DUDE.. I know ur a self admitted dfish homer which is fine n dandy so I see its almost pointless carrying an objective dfish conversation w you.... but for the love of christ what's it gonna take to get a little elbow room up in here! Sheesh :-)

Posted by: yellofever | January 05, 2011 at 02:17 PM
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Oh quit your huffing and puffing. You countered with his offensive stats, so I expanded your list (which was designed to trash Fish) to list the offensive stats of every starting LEAD guard on Phil Jackson's 11 championship teams from Paxson to Armstrong to Harper to Fish, and lo and behold, they're ALL relatively meager offensive stats compared to the rest of the league's PGs.

Your concept of OBJECTIVE is relentlessly bashing and hating on Derek Fisher. I have acknowledged that his foot speed is slower, his shot isn't what it used to be and that he has been showing his age since about midway through 2008-09, but I refuse to acknowledge that he is a poor defender because he's a solid TEAM defender. His steals per game and steal percentage are just microscopic examples of his value to the Lakers TEAM defense. He's not taking as many charges as he used to, but he will WHEN IT COUNTS IN THE PLAYOFFS. You conveniently failed to address my points of his defensive contributions in the FINALS against Ray Allen, never mind your refusal to mention his clutch play and leadership qualities. So please don't talk to me about being "objective," when it's a lot easier for you to just look in the mirror.

If Shaq had been the leader for 2-3 more years before Kobe tried to take control, they might have been able to transition better into a role flip once Shaq's dominance started to wear off. Shaq played the complentary role quite nicely for Wade in Miami.

Posted by: Bay to LA | January 05, 2011 at 02:34 PM

I completely agree with you that's why in my post I said I thought it was some of the friction. No doubt that ball was supposed to go nowhere else but inside to Shaq but what bothered me about Shaq was that he was the elder of the two and as a Leader, it was his job to find a way to get through Kobe's head and one thing that would've worked is improving his work ethic. Again, it's an old story and really not worth debating because today's team has larger concerns. I'm just enjoying the NBA season with all of its story lines and watching the team develop through it all.

My last thought on Snaq: he could've been better and still have been a Laker if he was a truly dedicated player in the sport. Just look at L.O. He's another example of what you can do if you decided to dedicate yourself. LO has been known for his POTENTIAL his entire career and this is really the first time in his career, that he has displayed that potential. Just saying and of course, it's just my opinion.

yellofever

When it comes to "elbow room," I subscribe to Lew's philosophy of protecting a homely daughter. I have been a Lakers fan since 1979 and, if you can't tell, I take them seriously. In many way I feel like I "know" Kobe, Fish, Coach Eleven Rings and the rest of our core group. I certainly have a much better feel for them than I do for y0u. So if you choose to make exaggerated, uncalled for negative comments trashing our Hall of Fame coach and the players who have brought so much joy to Los Angeles and Lakers fans around the world, then pardon me for defending them. They are WINNERS and if you can't see Derek Fisher and Phil Jackson in that light, then perhaps you should root for the Celtics or some other team with a great point guard and a head coach who jumps around the sidelines shouting out plays and spends half the game yelling and screaming.

You are pretty good at insulting me, so have at it. You can mock me, trash my profession, call me a snob or arrogant or whatever else you delight in saying, because when it comes to stuff like that, I consider the source. But when it comes to the Lakers, if you are going to claim to be a fan of the team and trash the very people who have blessed us with championship after championship, then forget about getting any elbow room. Your comments going beyond "criticism." They are downright nasty.

I find it ironic that in the past, Kobe has been referred to as a "hired gun", yet Snaq O'Meal jumps from team to team to find another paycheck.

It seems to me that Kobe is more of a "sniper" and Snaq is akin to a super soaker squirt gun filled with ground beef and cheese.

Yes, he was in full beast mode during the 3-peat runaway train era. However, he has deteriorated while slogging into the twilight of his career. His ego continues to grow along with his waistline. I fear he will become the Brett Favre of the NBA, sans the pictures of his junk.

I will forever be grateful for Snaq's contributions to Lakers Lore, but his juvenile hijinks and foolishness, coupled with his inability to fully capitalize on his other-wordly physical gifts will always leave me wondering... what if?

DBDH!

If there is a common denominator in all the Lakers drama............it's PHIL JACKSON!

Remove Jackson and all the drama will disappear. Think about it..........Kobe joined the Olympic team 2 summers ago, a team that included heavyweight egos like LeBron, Dwade, Coach K..........................NO DRAMA.

Phil Jackson v. Jerry Krause............Drama
Phil Jackson v. Shaq.................Drama
Phil Jackson v. Kobe.................Drama
Phil Jackson planting stories about Kobe to Charlie Rosen...................Drama
Chief Triangle v. Jeff Van Gundy....................Drama

Phil Jackson sleeping with the boss' daughter....................Drama
Phil Jackson writes a book breaking every locker room code.....................Drama
Phil Jackson meddling in the Bobcats business about Kareem Rush............Drama
Phil Jackson meddling in the Heat's business..............Drama
Phil Jackson offends Brokeback Mountain crowd and apologizes to all the horses it may have offended.......................Drama
Phil Jackson accuses Kobe (with no evidence) of sabotaging highschool games..................Double Drama

The list goes on but you get the picture............

@justa

"From Shaq, to Snaq, to Shraq"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH!

Sad but true.

If there is a common denominator in all the Lakers winning............it's PHIL JACKSON!


Sorry...


DBDH!

The list goes on but you get the picture............

Posted by: pfunk36 | January 05, 2011 at 03:00 PM
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That drama = championships? :)

Pfunk36 going batsh*t crazy about some public that he has no direct connection with.........Drama.

You're no different pumpkin.

Go Lakers!!!

"public figure" I meant to insert.

"If there is a common denominator in all the Lakers winning............it's PHIL JACKSON!


Sorry...


DBDH!


Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | January 05, 2011 at 03:06 PM "

I'd argue that the common denominator is great players. Great players can win without a great coach, but a great coach can't win without great players.

Put Phil Jackson in as coach of the Minnesota Timberwolves, and give the Lakers a no-name coach from a division 2 college. Who do you think wins in a 7 game series between the Timberwolves and Lakers?

Not trying to take away from what Phil has done, but it is what it is.

Magia 32 - LOL. I thought it was funny. Jeanie shows she has a good sense of humor

Thank goodness, there's actually some kind of defensive scheme the Lakers are trying to employ, because clearly whatever it was they've been calling defense over the last few weeks, ain't working. Of all the links posted today, I found the article by Dave McMenamin to be the most interesting.

Sure, Kobe has lit a fire under his team mates, yeah, yeah, Phil and Artest had a "man to man" confrontation, and Pau voiced his displeasure that his team mates are not using the bigs enough. Then there's the various hero speeches about staying focus and using insults as motivation. But this - this new fangled defensive scheme - now THAT sounds like a more concrete plan to move forward. In changing the way a team plays, motivational words and mind games are only part of the equation. What helps a group of people develop a team mental model is a clear strategy (new type of defensive scheme) and the actual tactics to execute with each person knowing his role and exactly what needs to be done (e.g. always placing two defenders between the ball and the basket, deterring opposing offenses to stay on the weak side). With clear strategy and tactics there's something to work with as a team.

I don't doubt that our Lakers hate losing and that they really want to threepeat.... but sometimes, players get lost in the grind of things. People need to learn new things to stay motivated and focused (it's basic human nature, especially competitive people like most athletes are). It's when they perceive things as being "same old, same old" that they relax and lose that edge.

So I'm glad to hear the Lakers are trying out something new. As with learning anything new, the first few steps will be hard (interesting, but hard nonetheless). But as they get better and success start to happen, it reinforces their behavior and motivates them to continue developing the new habits till they become second nature. So having a relatively soft schedule while trying out the new defensive scheme is actually good for us.


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