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Kobe or not Kobe?

Not surprisingly, it was a question tossed around a lot after the Lakers practiced Monday, half a day after another embarrassing loss, this one at home to lightly regarded Memphis.

Kobe Bryant admitted he manipulated the offense, agreeing with Phil Jackson's charge the night before that Bryant's one-on-one mind-set took "the rest of the guys out" of the flow of the triangle.

But Bryant's teammates, specifically Pau Gasol, yearned for more balance in an offense that has steadily worsened since the Lakers' 8-0 start.

"We all are familiar with his game and his ability to score and his ability to take over games. It’s sometimes a double-edged sword because it can keep you in the games and even sometimes win you games but it can also lose you games," Gasol said. "I think we’re more effective and we’re more successful when our offense is balanced and everybody’s contributing. We all know that. We’re in good shape when everybody’s 10-plus points and just getting good looks because the offense will do that for you."

Gasol had six quick points against Memphis but finished with only 10 in a 104-85 loss that brought boos from a Staples Center crowd that was tired of so many one-sided losses in recent weeks.

“From my perspective, maybe because I’m one of the inside guys, we should be pounding guys every night no matter what and then play off that," Gasol said. "I don’t think me and Andrew [Bynum] are guys that will always have the need to shoot and get over 20 attempts a game but if we can set the tone early … it creates penetration, it keeps defenses having to adjust, and we put guys in foul trouble.”

Bryant said he had no problem with Jackson's postgame comments imploring the need for more team basketball.

"He was right," Bryant said. "I totally broke the offense, but I did it intentionally because I felt like we needed to get something started because what we were doing just wasn’t working. I tried to kick-start it, and sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn’t. When it works out, great. When it doesn’t, I take the criticism for it but I have thick enough skin to be able to do it."

Gasol and Ron Artest often seem to chafe whenever Jackson zings them publicly. Bryant wouldn't include himself in that category.

“First of all, when you’ve been around Phil for as many years as I have, we all understand that he likes coaching publicly,” Bryant said. “I think it’s important for the new guys to understand that — Ron, Pau, guys that kind of have issues with that. That’s how he coaches. It’s fine. Just let him do his job and go about your business.”

--Mike Bresnahan

Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant and Coach Phil Jackson during the Game 4 of the NBA Finals last spring. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times

 
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Well, I gotta say, Kobe is a pretty big person to deflect that criticism and to accept it. I still think PJ was wrong for going public with that.

Very similar to what happen with Shaq; Kobe is getting old and he's having difficulty adjusting. He need to help Bynum, Gasol and Odom be our guys first and be like a second or third option.

Hey kobemvp aka DRAMAQUEEN

Back to ur old tricks?? WHAT'S THE MATTER? NOT ENOUGH DRAMA IN UR LIFE TODAY OR THIS YEAR?? Just saw ur post accusing me of posing under a different handle two threads ago..

HUh? Excuse me? WTH are you talkin about?? I've never posted under a different name and don't know what u are freakin talkin about

Is that what attorneys like you do? Jump to quick unsound conclusions and make ridiculous and blatanly false accusations without ANY real proof? Go ahead n keep makin a grand majestic fool out of urself.. Or PLEASE ask MM to check the IP n see if the shoe fits... Until then kindly mind your own business n go look for DRAMA elsewhere.

Good to see Lew & hobbit have a better understanding of each other. I've never perceived hobbit to be anything other than a die-hard Laker fan.

This team just has to follow Kobe's will and desire to win "by any means necessary" and shed the soft skin. If they think he's taking over the offense, then do something about it like aggressively shedding your defender and establishing low post presence and yelling for the ball, hitting your open shot or taking your defender to the hole with you. Show some initiative rather than just standing there wishing it were different, or pouting and standing so far away from the basket that you can't get an offensive rebound. You know, do the tough things that it takes to win: like practice hard, minimize your outside distractions, i.e. raffles, music and t.v. shows. again, win "by any means necessary." Leave Kobe the heck alone. Dude is ready for the season. He's always ready and down for a game whether it's on X-mas Day, New Year's Eve, Easter Sunday... It's not any ballhandler's job to bring the ball to the open man but rather get the ball TO the open man!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DlfEQ7cyk

@HOBBITMAGE... Fast break points are points scored within 6 second of the 24 second clock while points in the paint are points scored in the paint. By definition, fast break points (unless they are jump shots or 3-point shots) are usually also points in the paint (layups and dunks). In the Memphis game, the Grizzlies had 28 fast break points and 50 points in the paint. To me that means that other than fast break layups, the Grizzlies scored 22 additional points in the paint. I do not think that it means that the Grizzlies scored a total of 78 points by fast break or in the paint. That would mean that they only scored 26 points all game long that were not fast break or in the paint, which anybody watching the game would know was not true or possible. At least, that is my take on how the two stats work and what my eyes saw watching the game.
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TOM


Offense/Defense – the chicken or the egg


I once posted the Lakers were an offense team first, because most of their players are better on offense than defense (except Ron). So, when they have turnovers (poor offense) which leads to uncontested fast breaks….that affects their defense. Conversely, when they execute their offense more efficiently it gives their defense a chance to set up and become much more effective.


On the flip side when the Lakers play good defense and force turnovers they get more transition baskets and score easier. Of course, defense wins championships, always has and always will. But scoring in the low to mid 80’s like the Lakers have in several of their recent games is definitely out of character. (I expect those type scores in the finals vs. Boston, but not vs. SA or Memphis.) In the Lakers last 3 losses they’re only forcing 9 turnovers per game, while committing 16 turnovers.


So hobbit you’re right the Lakers must play better on defense.
So LakerTom you’re right the Lakers have to execute better on offense.


FYI…the Lakers have not forced more turnovers than they've committed in 11 straight games. That is not a good trend.

@HOBBITMAGE... Further, if you calculate that 18 of the Grizzlies points came from 3-pointers, none of which I recall qualifying as fast break points, that leaves only 8 points to be scored by midrange jumpers for the entire game.
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TOM

Luke Walton got 100% FG: 2-2.

Finally the coach speaks out. The offense lately has been way to much Kobe. My problem with Kobe is that he doesn't look to set up teammates. His first, second and third thought is to shoot, shoot and shoot some more. Miami was able to turn their season around when Wade and Lebron stopped competing with each other for control of the ball. The Coach put the ball in Lebron hands and he has been great at setting up teammates including Wade. He gets ten assist or more on most nights. As much as Kobe control the ball, how many times this season has he gotten ten assist? Kobe dominates the ball but it doesn't help the team when he is only looking for offense for himself.

I wouldn't blame it all on Kobe.

He may have taken them out of the offense, but when he did the rest of the team just sat around "Kobe Watching."

Kobe's not going to pass you the ball if you're just sitting around with your mouth hanging open.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Hey kobemvp aka DRAMAQUEEN

Back to ur old tricks?? WHAT'S THE MATTER? NOT ENOUGH DRAMA IN UR LIFE TODAY OR THIS YEAR?? J....

Posted by: yellofever | January 03, 2011 at 04:35 PM
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So you treat Phil Jackson like he's the worst coach in NBA history and you expect people to sit still? That was the most rude, DISRESPECTFUL, uncalled for, disgusting and obnoxious piece of garbage I have ever read anywhere. And you call me a DRAMA QUEEN? Did you even read what you typed and then had the NERVE to hit the "post" button on? Fans like you give the term FAKER a whole new meaning.

I guess the question y'all have to ask yourself might be;

"When I posted this, was I a)mad that the Lakers lost and wanting someone else to talk to or 2) happy that after two titles and more than two years of being the voice crying in the wilderness (and yet oddly still a significant chunk of the blog traffic) I am just happy to be right, HAHA EAT IT LAKERTOM!"

Just wondering.

Oh, and re Kobe's performance; this is Kobe's team. Does anybody dispute that? Therefore, even when it's not Kobe's fault, it's Kobe's fault. Kobe can stand up and take the heat, and that's not a judgment on how he's playing, that is the way he wants it.

Near as I can tell.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

The season is still young, Kobe like Phil r merely tring to ignite some passion in this laker team that has not had any to his point this season. Trust me when the after the all star break u will see a different Kobe. One that has won two championships in a row, he knows what it takes. It's the rest of the guys that need a reminder!!

@johnnylee: Don't be ignorant, Kobe has been Kobe (including 2 straight championships), don't you think the big men are to be more aggressive in offense. Watch those games and see how many people touched the ball before Kobe takes the shot. The bigs have to be agressive and have a better position inside to make the triangle effective. And limit their TOs.

@Mclyne - Nice call on young Joan and company. Oh yeah, I really like that Yael. I'm gonna have to get that cd. And if she says it toxic...then I guess its also Poison....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdF2zqs1bxQ

How about this: Lamar and Kobe off the bench and let Brown start with Bynum, Ron, Gasol and Fish for a while.

Remember last year when Kobe was out? The ball seemed to move better without him in the line-up. I believe what most people don't understand is that over achievers have very little patience with mediocrity. It's a fact and when it presents itself - mediocrity - an over achiever will take things into their own hands even if it's at the expense of others and that is a fact.

Biggest problem is we are playing 4 on 5. ron is the worst offensive player in Lakers history as a starter. Last night zero points on one rebound. How can this guy start. His defense? Rude Gay made him his fool just like James did. Bench him. Wave him, trade him. Dump this guy before he ruins the team like he has in Chicago, Indiana, Sac and Houston.

On defense we are playing 5 on 4 because Fish can't guard anyone in the league. This team will remian a 4th or 5th place team in the West until Phil wakes up and plays the 5 best players. This is called basketball. 5 on 5!

@LRob
HAHAHAHAAH!
My friends and I at work always quote that track- LOL!

As for Kobe, no one else decided to play inspired ball, so he took it upon himself. He was waiting for others to follow suit, but I guess they didn't really care as much as he did.

Same old problem with this team- this debate has been going on since 1997.

They will figure it out- hopefully sooner than later.

Here come all the Kobe haters .... If the rest of the guys showed half the effort Kobe puts in he would finding them for easy buckets all night... Pau and drew r so quick to talk but if u look back on the tapes u will see that Pau is soft and often is not in good positions on the court to make easy plays.. Hence the way he's been stinking latley. He has lazy post ups at the free throw line... U would think that the rest off the team would understand that too play with Kobe u must move without the ball... If they did Kobe would droppin them the dimes!!

MJ wasn't old at 32, get over that. Jordan won 3 more championships. Malone was not old at 32, he was just getting started. There are many, many examples.

KB's finger is an issue though, admitted or not.

FISH - this stinker is totally useless, and has been for the last 3 years, and was nothing special before then...

Posted by: LEWSTRS

All you Fisher lovers please read this...because unfortunately for you it is the truth. Somehow you remember him as some great player...but he has always been a stiff. If not for Kobe and Shaq Fish would not even be remembered for anything other than shooting tons of wide open bricks. And for shooting layups that hit the backboard but don't even make it to the rim !!! This guy is a buffon and clown and needs to show some class and hang it up !!!

How about this: Lamar and Kobe off the bench and let Brown start with Bynum, Ron, Gasol and Fish for a while.

Remember last year when Kobe was out? The ball seemed to move better without him in the line-up. I believe what most people don't understand is that over achievers have very little patience with mediocrity. It's a fact and when it presents itself - mediocrity - an over achiever will take things into their own hands even if it's at the expense of others and that is a fact.

Posted by: frmkt

Are you kidding !!!! Fish and Artest stink...and Brown is streaky. This team would be lucky to make the playoffs without Kobe carrying them !!!!

RonRon is a failed experiment, time to admit it and move on. Fish needs to move over to the bench sorry to say. Time to shake things up a bit.

I'm thinking Kobes just taking the hi road. Tomorrow he's prolly gonna come out not shooting very much. I'm thinking he's gonna send a message.

I think the solution is clear:

We've got to start Luke Walton. It's the only solution.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

"I wouldn't blame it all on Kobe.

He may have taken them out of the offense, but when he did the rest of the team just sat around "Kobe Watching."

Kobe's not going to pass you the ball if you're just sitting around with your mouth hanging open.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | January 03, 2011 at 05:03 PM "

What do you suggest his teammates do when he goes into that mode? Take a stand against him and freeze him out of the game?

Going into that mode always generates the same reaction from his teammates. He knows this. If he takes the game upon himself, all of the results (positive or negative) are all on him.

Kobe will have a complete game against Detroit ..... He will do what it takes to win right now.... The west is more competitive than they thought it would be... We can't afford to lose...

Kobe will have a complete game against Detroit ..... He will do what it takes to win right now.... The west is more competitive than they thought it would be... We can't afford to lose...

I'm on the start Luke bandwagon!!!

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuke.

for all of u bashing kobe, please sit down. he does get carried away alot, but last night was no way, shape, form or fashion kobe's fault. uhh, do you guys remember the score at half time?!! we had 39 points!!! count 'em THIRTY NINE points! if i'm correct, kobe had 7 points at half time. what the hell were the rest of the guys doing?

ron artest and derrick fisher have not shown up for two games in a row YET!! i coach girls basketball, and let me tell you something...IF my starting PG and FORWARD played like fish and ron have been playing for the last two months...their assess would be sitting BEHIND the bench in the stands, close to our championship banners! i do not tolerate mediocrity, phil does, and that's why our team is playing mediocre basketball. he needs to step his game up and stop being a great coach at not coaching. i don't know what the hell he's doing? is he still fishing in colorado? did i hear he's thinking about sitting down guys who aren't producing?!! what?!! (whispering) Phil, that's what coaches do!!! players do not play up to their potential when there's no accountability. even champions need to be held accountable, or they become complacent, arrogant, and self entitled. i don't care who you are, "carry your weight or sit" is my motto. you have NO IDEA how motivating it would be to sit out derrick and ron for a game or two. let it marinate in their brains. fisher's behind needs to be the water boy, and artest needs to be the mop boy until they figure out how to put the ball back in the hole and contain their man. until then, they are relegated to clean up duties! start shannon and matt, what the hell, we're losing anyway. SEND A FREAKING STATEMENT!

spaniard! o spaniard! grow a pair and become more aggressive. what?! does pau need an invitation to drive the ball to the basket or shoot the ball when he gets it? NO!!!! this is a triangle offense, he has just as much right to take or create a shot if he chooses. how about demanding the ball second best player on the team? you're a coward if u don't call for the ball then criticize after the team loses. the only person trying to play last night was bynum.

this is by far the WORST defensive, laker team i've seen in my life! we don't rebound, we don't box out, we don't rotate!!! you wanna know where that comes from? say it with me now....PRACTICE AND COACHING!!! phil, please explain to me why the hell u keep giving these guys days off!! (allen iverson's voice) PRACTICE?!! PRACTICE!! WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRACTICE!! days off are given when they are earned. this crap is part of the problem, we don't practice so we don't know what the hell to do when we get on the court. we have no identity, no clue, no direction. hey here's a thought, why don't we just go on osmosis! o wait, that's what we are doing, my bad.

people, winning basketball is summed up in one word.....CONFIDENCE. start playing defense, this will lead to easier buckets, which will lead to more points, enthusiasm follows, which will lead to more wins, which will breed confidence, which will give u that championship swagger, which will lead to our next ring. we're with u boys but ugh! come the hell on lakers, we miss u!

All you Fisher lovers please read this...because unfortunately for you it is the truth. Somehow you remember him as some great player...but he has always been a stiff. If not for Kobe and Shaq Fish would not even be remembered for anything other than shooting tons of wide open bricks. And for shooting layups that hit the backboard but don't even make it to the rim !!! This guy is a buffon and clown and needs to show some class and hang it up !!!

Posted by: S Perkins | January 03, 2011 at 05:35 PM

Excuse me Laker Nation, while I take S Perkins to the school of hard knocks.

Yeah, Fisher is a scrub right, yeah, hittin' a game winner w/ .4 seconds in the playoffs is so common right, anyone can do it...Wrong, Perkins.

Yeah, hittin a 3 in Jameer Nelson's face, not once, twice, and help us secure a title was nothing, scrub just got lucky.

Making a straight line layup with 3 Boston Celtics throwing ya on the parquet floor is not a feat of strength. It just helped us take back HCA and we won the title.

I guess by your weak ass standards, Big Shot Rob Horry is a scrub, and I guess, Brian Shaw is one too, right.

You see with your eyes? Get some Lasix fool, you really haven't been watching Derek Fisher play Basketball have you?

Bay to LA , I would expect them to be more assertive and move without the ball...

correction: Lasik surgery

Those who claim that Kobe is the problem don't understand how we've won FIVE CAHMPIONSHIPS since 2000.

Yes, basketball is a team sport, but without Kobe, there would be no RINGS in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, or 2010...............PERIOD.

people, winning basketball is summed up in one word.....CONFIDENCE. start playing defense, this will lead to easier buckets, which will lead to more points, enthusiasm follows, which will lead to more wins, which will breed confidence, which will give u that championship swagger, which will lead to our next ring. we're with u boys but ugh! come the hell on lakers, we miss u!

Posted by: LAKERGIRL1

Lakergirl great break down. Unfortunately you are failing to realize that Fisher and Artest are not capable of playing better. They still think they can play but the mind says yes and the body says no. Artest is a backup on a mediocre team at best...and Fisher is a star in the YMCA 30 to 40 year old bracket.

I really don't fault Kobe for "taking over" when nobody else can get a bucket or even get open for a shot. He has saved our butts too many times over too many seasons to have to take hits for doing that now.

But here's my observation about a bad habit he's gotten into this season that he can easily correct and open up our offense at the same time. Namely, he has gotten into the habit of slowly backing down his man into the low post. In addition to using up most of the clock to do this, he's ending up clogging the lane, getting our bigs smothered, cutting off most of his passing angles, and often double-teamed and stripped of the ball from his blind side. With him yo-yo-ing and muscling his way in, the rest of the team freezes until he completes his moves. If he makes his shots, cool. But if he misses repeatedly or gets stripped of the ball, our guys are out of position and the other team gets a breakaway with numbers. Not good.

I'd suggest that Kobe could still "take over" in a different way, with a much better result for the team. Namely, I'd like to see Phil not stay relentlessly with the entry pass into the low post and mix it up with a high screen and roll with Kobe and Pau up top. This would open up the middle. Kobe could penetrate and drive, dish to Pau on the roll, dish to Lamar cutting inside, or kick it to a perimeter shooter. Team movement, ball movement, passing, multiple options, and other benefits would follow. And Kobe could still take a high percentage of the shots. Frankly, I remember us doing this successfully in certain games in the playoffs last year. We need to bring it back to get the flow going again.

Posted by: S Perkins | January 03, 2011 at 05:35 PM

Excuse me Laker Nation, while I take S Perkins to the school of hard knocks.

Yeah, Fisher is a scrub right, yeah, hittin' a game winner w/ .4 seconds in the playoffs is so common right, anyone can do it...Wrong, Perkins.

Yeah, hittin a 3 in Jameer Nelson's face, not once, twice, and help us secure a title was nothing, scrub just got lucky.

Making a straight line layup with 3 Boston Celtics throwing ya on the parquet floor is not a feat of strength. It just helped us take back HCA and we won the title.

I guess by your weak ass standards, Big Shot Rob Horry is a scrub, and I guess, Brian Shaw is one too, right.

You see with your eyes? Get some Lasix fool, you really haven't been watching Derek Fisher play Basketball have you?

Posted by: Sean


Wonderful so he hit a few lucky shots that were in clutch situations. He has never been a consistent player nor outstanding player on defense and offense and other than his free throw shooting his basketball skills are way below the standard for an NBA player. He was extremely lucky that the Lakers run the triangle where you don't need a good PG. But I would take the PG's on the Bull's championship teams every day of the week over this clown. Hodges, Paxson, BJ and Kerr were all better shooters than Fisher.

We need to literally relish in this time right now. These Lakers have never experienced turmoil like this, minus Kobe Fish & LO. We have all seen what Andrew Bynum does when faced with direct turmoil(cough, parking lot video). And Pau(gasp Boston '08) Gasol).

Hold on tight Laker fans, I have a claim that we are embarking the beginning of a monumental turnaround. The "Ultimate Switch" is about to be flipped!!


GO LAKERS!!

dan

Hey Phil, yeah Kobe screwed the game up, so what's new? He has been doin it for a long time. He gets 30 mil a year for doing it too and a trophy at the end of the year.


Why can't we have a Superstar who is beloved by his teammates, like Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul Jabbar and James Worthy. Well we have stars in Bynum, Gasol and Odom.


Chicago needs a shooting guard.


But, Kobe is the best when he is right. He will be right in the playoffs, again Kobe is just messing around and see what he can get away with. He knows he can win anytime if he wants to with Bynum, Gasol, Odom and Artest.


So to him it is no big deal to loose games in the reg season.



LOL! i hear u s perkins, that's why i'm so ticked at phil, sit their butts down if they can't produce. trust me, we would play at a much FASTER and better pace with steve and matt starting. don't we look like the old spurs team? i don't think fisher can play better offensively, i think ron can. i think he can still use his strength to post up to create fouls and score more easily. he needs to stop shooting threes and take his behind back into the post.

i KNOW for a fact that they can both play better defense though. it doesn't take an especially high skill level to keep your man on lock, it just takes pride, effort, and responsibility. and right now, neither one of them are giving us any effort because it's taken for granted that they will start and they will play.

The sad part is Kobe has the Lakers hostage, the fans, the Coach, his teammates. They gave him to much control and he is using it.

Perkins, you're officially on crack as far as I'm concerned;

Fisher is currently sixth in all time 3pt fg's in the playoffs with 224. Trailing only, Ray Allen, Chauncey Billups, Robert Horry (former teammate}, Kobe Bryant (current teammate) and Reggie Miller (greatest outside shooter in NBA History)

The guy is clutch, we know this, and because I'm a nice guy and and will not banter with you anymore, since you refuse to listen to reason and facts, that I surmise you're on Sesame Street Crack.


Wonderful so he hit a few lucky shots that were in clutch situations. He has never been a consistent player nor outstanding player on defense and offense and other than his free throw shooting his basketball skills are way below the standard for an NBA player. He was extremely lucky that the Lakers run the triangle where you don't need a good PG. But I would take the PG's on the Bull's championship teams every day of the week over this clown. Hodges, Paxson, BJ and Kerr were all better shooters than Fisher.

Posted by: S Perkins | January 03, 2011 at 06:11 PM

Luck, luck you say, well, let me tell you something about lady luck, she hangs with the hardest workers, the men and women that practice the hardest. That about sums up what Fish is alla about: work, putting in work, getting work done.

MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING
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This entire hullabaloo over Kobe not staying in the offense is no big deal. It’s just the price you have to pay every once in a while in order to have the greatest offensive player in the league on your team. Most of those who criticized Kobe taking over the game understand that. You cannot be the offensive force that Kobe capable of winning games all on his own without his efforts sometimes failing.

To me, the significance of the conflict coming to a head is that Phil finally has put his foot down and basically said we need to play inside-out basketball. And like the great leader that I think Kobe has become, he gracefully owned up that Phil was right. Contrast that with how most other super stars in this league would have responded if their coach made the comments that Phil made about Kobe.

The difference here is the mutual respect that Phil and Kobe have for each other and understanding they share of what it takes to win a championship. Phil knows Kobe plays with a fire and passion that is second to none and he gives Kobe great freedom to create offense when he thinks the team needs it. All Phil is doing here is reining Kobe in a little and reminding him of what he already knows.
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TOM

The triangle?? The triangle?? --- this is the most overrated aspect of Phil's overrated career. How many other teams in the league run this so-called great scheme? I'll give you a hint - one. (And they stink!)

Wow lots going on to say the least.
@pfunk36 we basically agree about PJ but I don't agree calling LT an idiot for his opinion. I too disagree but he is not an idiot. As for the bigs doing more they can't unless you feed them. Their positions are dependant positions so in order to perform you have to feed them the ball. Unlike guards who handle the ball don't need to be fed the ball because guards have ball.
@ Money G you sound a lot like my very good friend Mamba24. Is that you having fun with us Mamba24?
@S Perkins you sound just like the former blogger that went by the handle DFish.

Now to the Lakers:
They need to retire Luke and send him to the coaching staff immediately. Then they need to strengthen pg position by adding Trey Johnson.
Affiliates: Los Angeles Lakers; Los Angeles Clippers
Trey Johnson has been averaging a D-League high, 26.5 points per game and also leads the D-League in Points/Rebounds/Assists per game with 34.9 per game.
Trey is an experienced guard having played in the NBA with the Cavs and playing this past preseason with the Lakers. And now Trey is on track to be in the NBA as soon as the 10 day contracts start. He attacks the basket and is not afraid to take a jump shot in a defenders face. Johnson has had some very impressive games including a 43-point and 11-rebound game.
Teams in need of a point or shooting guard will act quickly on Johnson and we might even see two or three teams offering Johnson different contracts to win him over.
Stats:
26.5 ppg
4.0 rpg
4.5 apg
Yes, there will be players called up besides the guys in this article.
Yes, there could be guys called up before these guys.
But said players in this article should get a shot in the NBA and most likely will.
Out of the four guys named in this article, Trey Johnson should/will be the first guy called up to the NBA and hopefully will receive a nice contract to stay up in the NBA.
Feel free to comment and tell me who you think will get called up!

The triangle?? The triangle?? --- this is the most overrated aspect of Phil's overrated career. How many other teams in the league run this so-called great scheme? I'll give you a hint - one. (And they stink!)

Posted by: hungryneck | January 03, 2011 at 06:39 PM
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And how many other teams have won championships in the 19 years Phil Jackson coached prior to this season. 8. Let's see. 11 championships with a coach who runs the triangle. 8 championships from assorted teams with a coach who didn't run the triangle.

I think I'll go with the OVERRATED Phil Jackson. It's not his fault that the offense is too complex for others to learn and teach.

By the way, can you please explain exactly WHY you think he's overrated?

Enough with all this nonsense! Kobe has never been a team player, and the season doesn't start until the playoffs anyway.

Reality: Lakers are blowing it. Possible Solution: assemble the team at Jack Nicholson's estate, while Jack and his Butler,Farnsworth, feverishly strangle the team's bones in the hopes of re-instating the lost "Chi"

Simmer down simmer down Simmer down now it's too cold and so is the shooting So simmer down Simmer down simmer down it's only January and Joe Beast hasn't even played yet when you see him play then the LAKERS are one and the starters have Ice on the knees and the jello will be jiggling. RIP CHICK HEARN forever will your voice echo this city and that floor that game that show.

phil coaches in public? only cause you never listen, kobe.

15 years into your freaking career and you still don't get the team concept.

Are you kidding !!!! Fish and Artest stink...and Brown is streaky. This team would be lucky to make the playoffs without Kobe carrying them !!!!

Posted by: S Perkins | January 03, 2011 at 05:37 PM

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LOL!! Yes I was. Sarcastic to be in fact in order to make this point: To blame Kobe for the team's offensive woes is preposterous.

Wouldn't it be great if Gasol worried about his own game and played a little defense around the basket? This guy sure has a short memory of his Memphis days.

frmkt- yes, you are right. After all, as we all know, Kobe is the player on the Lakers who is the most influential and has the biggest impact on the offense. To suggest other wise is preposterous.

Also to suggest that he could hurt the team if he is having a sub par game is also ridiculous.

You know, it's only taken me most of my adult life, but I'm starting to think I like Phil Jackson.

YES, YOU STUPID COMMERCIAL VOICE OVER PERSON, PEOPLE DO ASK FOR SMALLER CHRISTMAS GIFTS.

THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT MATERIALISTIC DINGLEBAGS WHO WOULD BUY A LEXUS, ADMITTEDLY.

THE LOVE WILL LET EVERYBODY DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHICH KIND OF PERSON THEY WOULD SPEND TIME WITH AND/OR WASTE OXYGEN ON.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

Yes, in the immortal words of Homer J. Simpsons, "That was sarcasm."

I love the name "Winton McChodenheimer."

Nice to see some good posts from Blog Stalwarts Corner J and Tom Daniels, guy who can take the trouble to measure how much water exactly is in that glass and post accordingly.

Sorry, but the Lakers don't run the triangle much at all. Never have.

Derek Fisher said so last year, as quoted right here in the Lakers Blog.

Not sure what game y'all are watching.

See if you can get some tapes of vintage 90s Chicago Bulls. That'll show you what the triangle is. Then compare it to what the Lakers do. You'll find a world of difference.

Sorry but the lakers put us through this every year and then get it together in time for the real games . I have to admit that they look old and slow compared to other teams . And to be more honest they are not playing like a team that cares much at all . The Lakers are lazy and show that they are not playing like a team that has heart . Kobe says he takes the blame well so be it ! Kobe you look slow and too. Phil Jackson needs to start kicking some but and earn his money as of now !

OK, so here is one huge problem the Lakers are having. I have repeatedly talked/complained about the pathetic efforts getting the ball inside. The perimeter feeders are reluctant to feed PG, AB, LO because they hestitate to get yet another turnover. The Basketball 101 method for passing is to hit a teammate coming towards the pass. Otherwise it is in great jeopardy of being deflected or stolen. Kobe mostly gets around this by demanding the ball on the move and getting it. No hestitation normally from the perimter feeder when Kobe is demanding the ball on the post.


So here is what happens: PG, for example, goes to the strong side block. Instead of the perimeter feeder hitting him on the move to that post spot, they wait until he is settled fro a couple of seconds. By that time the 2 other perimeter opponents sit in his lap. 3s cure that but our 3s lately are poor %wise. So, now the feeder tries to pass (too late) between 2 opponents sitting in PGs lap and another opponent now draped on PGs back. There is no way this can get through more than 20% of the time. Thus turnovers. This is the major "forcing" thing PJ has been talking about, in addition to double teamed forced shots against ready defenders whether it be Kobe on the J or Fish/RA/name-your-Laker against the trees in the lane.


The Lakers are not moving when Kobe gets the ball nor much of any other time either! Basic basketball is to keep moving and move to the open spot. Move to give the ball handler an outlet pass option. This is the basis of the AB comment where nobody is helping to get open for a pass from Kobe, so guess what.............he shoots it of course! When the clok is down and none of your teammates are moving to get open, then anybody would jack up a shot! ANYBODY! This is mistaken for Kobe hogging the ball when really it is his lazy/immobile teammates not playing Basketball 101.


GO TO THE BALL! PASS TO A MOVING TEAMMATE COMING TO GET THE PASS! BREAK TO THE OPEN LANES! WATCH THE BALL INTO YOUR HANDS! Good grief! I learned these basics at 10 years old!


Footnote of angst: Memphis had a tough game in Utah and came in on a back-to-back and blew out the Lakers. Tonight, Detroit had a very tough game in Utah and is coming into Staples tomorrow for a back-to-back............. Just sayin'...................

sorry about the double post again.....computer locking up

please keep luke on the bench or trade him.he lost it two
years ago.and please bench fisher until playoff maybe he can
make one shot and win the game.because right now he is stinking up the place.the next game i want all you blogger
to focus on fisher and you will see how lousy he is .time
to do us all a favor and bench your self,because pj dont
want to embarass you.therefore he blame kobe for the team
problems.all the other players stand around with their hand
on their side instead or everyone crashing the board forre-
bounds.

I am disappointed that the Lakers meaning the players, coaches and management is letting Gasol hide behind these statements as the reason he has been playing crap basketball for the last month and a half. I'll say it because it seems nobody else will Gasol is satisfied and very comfortable with his accomplishments so far and thus he is mailing in games and looking for excuses for the lack of effort he is putting forth at the moment. He is suppose to be the number 2 guy on the Lakers but from his play alone he should be benched. Will someone please tell me why this guy will not assert himself on offense and why this guy whole game depends on how well he plays offensively. He is a non-factor right now. For the last 2 years this guy has been playing softer than wet tissue paper, complaining to the referees and giving make opposing teams players look good on offense. Yet complains about someone's else play. Let be clear here, the Lakers needed the guy simply for the fact that at the time he was required Odom could not give enough to get them over the hump and Kwame Brown could not catch a cold. Enter Gasol with he soft hands and he becomes an instant hit. We make the finals and then Boston reveals how soft he really is. The guy has been complaining ever since and it boring. I know Kobe has kept quiet for the simple reason he about championships and the way the Lakers are constructed now Gasol is required and Kobe has learned from the Shaq fiasco that nothing good will come from argueing in the media. So that leaves me to say it Gasol shut up and play basketball on both ends of the court. Do the simple things run the floor, jump and rebound the basketbal and you will touch the ball enough.

After reading a few more of these posts, it seems some of you think Kobe is a problem especially on offense. Be careful here because these Lakers without Kobe are talented but not to the point that they could win a championship because talent alone won't do it. Without Kobe who would lead them Gasol please Memphis already tried that and it did not work, Odom don't make me laugh, Bynum can barely stay healthy, Artest that is almost comical or Fisher his career was probably over 2 years ago if he did not play with Kobe. No folks what you have on these Lakers are very nice role players who have somehow morph into thinking they are on equal footing with Kobe. Take Kobe away and Gasol gets doubled and he passes out to who doing the playoffs. Same with Bynum that's if he is around. Yep these Lakers have gotten fat off Kobe being their meal ticket and now they are even using him as an excuse while they scratch their bellies because they are not playing basketball. No matter what you do on offensive to win basketball games you have to hold the opposition to less points than you. So instead of complaining about Kobe's offensive how about being unselfish and play better defense. Championship teams win games playing defense not complaining about shots being taken. I have not once heard a Celtic complain about shots or offense. I know it blasphemy to bring up the Celtics but trust me I use it in good faith here to make a point. Complaining about shots and the offense is a sure sign that the team is not on the same page and winning a championship is not the number 1 priority on this team. I think we can all agree that winning championships is Kobe's number 1 priority. Can that be said about all the other Lakers not named Fisher?

Please stop all these comments on the Laker's woes, yes it is depressing to see them struggle on offense and defense. You all have to remember this is a long season , they struggled last year too as you all recall, they all are grown men out there making high salaries, they still have time to sort this all out. Teams go on streaks winning and losing and of course injuries do happen. In case if you all forgotten they are back to back champs and "16" titles. The second half of the season will be different and come playoff time they will be in sync
on on there way to a 3 peat and "17 titles. See you all at the parade in June 2011..


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