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Three things to take away from Lakers' loss to the Bulls

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Yes, Lakerholics, I'm cutting back the postgame analysis from five things to three because of workload issues. But this will at least be a jumping off point for you. . .

1. An inability to shut down three-point shooters was the big difference

It's hard to believe, but every major statistical category was nearly even between the Lakers and Bulls on Friday night except three-point shooting. The Bulls made eight of 17 long-range shots while the Lakers only sank three of 13 three-point attempts. No surprise that Chicago reserve Kyle Korver nailed three of six from distance, but when Derrick Rose (three of five) and Luol Deng (two of three) combine for 15 long-range points, you have a problem.

The Lakers barely lost the rebound battle, 42-40, but forced 21 turnovers while committing 19, leading to a 20-15 advantage in points off turnovers. They also had 10 blocked shots while only having two rejected. Their overall shooting percentage was better as well (43.6% to 41.3%). It doesn't help that Kobe Bryant only made nine of 23 shots in finishing with 23 points, but an inability to close out on three-point shooters was the big difference for the Lakers.

Lakers13_510 2. Pau Gasol needs some help

Starting center Andrew Bynum can't return to the lineup soon enough. Gasol put in 45 minutes of work. Way too much, even for an elite big man in the prime of his career.

With reserve big man Derrick Caracter gimpy and seeing less than three minutes of action Friday night, Gasol was forced to wage war along with Lamar Odom against Joakim Noah, Carlos Boozer, Taj Gibson and Omar Asik. That's too much to ask of Gasol and Odom for virtually an entire game.

3. The Lakers fell flat in the middle two quarters

It's hard to fathom that the Lakers held the Bulls to 12 first-quarter points, then went out and were outscored 24-10 and 30-26 in the second and third quarters, respectively.

Only Matt Barnes (five-of-seven shooting for 10 points, seven rebounds and two steals) was effective off the bench. Shannon Brown missed all four of his shots and Steve Blake was one of three, making his only three-pointer. Blake, and Brown to a lesser degree, couldn't provide much defense against Rose, either.

--Dan Loumena

Photos: (Top) Bulls point guard Derrick Rose drives past Lakers guard Shannon Brown down the lane in the fourth quarter Friday night. Credit: Nam Y. Huh / Associated Press. (Bottom) Lakers guard Kobe Bryant talks with center Pau Gasol about defensive assignments during a break in the action against Chicago on Friday night. Credit: Tannen Maury / EPA.

 
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Wow..I am a Bulls fan and checked the LATimes to see what the reaction was to the Bulls win. Your team is the 2X defending champs. Treat them with respect. They probably will be in the finals again this year. They lost to a good Bulls team on the road. Do any of you even understand the game?

Posted by: Pete | December 10, 2010 at 09:28 PM
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Best Post of the night.

Now I can say Good Night.

Had to miss the game due to a final (lame) Can see from reading twitter updates that our defence was good tonight?!?! Is this true?! If that's the case we definitely should have won as we are good offensively.

I feel so bad for Gasol, the poor guy is just exhausted.

The secret to the lakers success is points in the paint. Everyone knows this. Why do we continue to take outside shots?

Look at the sacremento stats pts in the paint vs the last few games.. says it all right there.

Hmmm, Derek Fisher . . . he's still a good fit with the Lakers' personnel and triangle offense. Although the Lakers do have problems when facing elite point guards, but who doesn't?
Posted by: Dan Loumena | December 10, 2010 at 09:29 PM

common dan the man.. just say it.. no need to candy coat your answers.. fisher stunk up the building tonite AGAIN.

At this rate, the Heat will have a better record by XMas than the Lakers.

I suggest Lakers fans hold off on making fun of the Heat until the Lakers manage to actually play good basketball for a change...

no offense to one of our newest bloggers s perkins but he eerily reminds me another past dfish hater that used to visit this blog quite frequently after dfish stunk... any chance s perkins is the real name of another rapper in the N.W.A crew?

TGIF anyone?

3 Things to take away from Lakers' loss to the Bulls

1) This is Phil's last stance - he mentioned that this would be his last game he would coach in this building

2) The team responded appropriately by losing the game to a Bulls team that played like crap, and let down their coach

3) The starters play the game in slot motion, as in old, except for Pau and Lamar.

The bottom line is, this Lakers team will not go to the playoffs. You heard it here first.

Lakers are losers. Beat LA, Beat LA, Beat LA, Beat LA.

I hope the pain of this loss doesn't fade away going into the weekend, and the Lakers lose again on Sunday.


Diandra: "Pounding the paint" sounds good until you realize we only have Pau (45 minutes) and LO out there against Boozer, "crazy energy guy" Noah, Gibson, and Asik. The Bulls did to the Lakers what the Lakers used to do to other teams when they could rotate Drew, Pau, LO, and whoever the backup center was to dominate the post. BTW, Caracter was completely ineffective.

The Lakers depend on inside superiority and are not good outside shooters. Therefore when they don't have said superiority, they're toast.

The D was pretty good compared to previous games though, except leaving folks wide open for 3s. But again, that's because everyone had to collapse on whoever was inside...

common everyone dont let dfish get all the love tonite... dont forget LUKE's horrifying and most atrocious 5 minutes of any laker tonite that completely changed the WHOLE MOMENTUM OF THE GAME. i'm gonna have to go back to the game tapes and break it down play by play if i have to.

l33t 4g3n7: hmmm...

You wouldn't happen to be a Bulls fan in disguise, would you?

No....

I especially like your sentiments:
"I hope the pain of this loss doesn't fade away going into the weekend, and the Lakers lose again on Sunday."

Very nice!


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

4g3n7,

We're Lakers. We rise.

And we win Championships.

Now go crawl back down into your sewer and die, filth monger.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

4g3n7,

We're Lakers. We rise.

And we win Championships.

Now go crawl back down into your sewer and die, filth monger.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

@CyberCosmiX

Kobe looked frustrated and helpless. He couldn't bail out the team, as he doesn't have the energy anymore. He's too old and feeble. Phil should give Kobe more rest and play him every other game. Kobe should retire along with Phil.

Did I mention this Lakers team will not enter the playoffs?

4g3n7

yellofever: "dont forget LUKE's horrifying and most atrocious 5 minutes of any laker tonite that completely changed the WHOLE MOMENTUM OF THE GAME. "

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Oh no, we got trolls like you that 'mingle' amongst real Laker fans, then can't hold back their hate in a loss, we got you to tell us that Luke blew the game and is the most horrifyingly bad player in the history of the NBA, god help us all he played tonight in a Laker loss, and is not only the reason the Lakers lost but the fact that an asteroid is heading our way and we're all doomed unless we get him off the floor ASAP. Something like that.

Yeah, Luke lost us the game alright, yup. My god, he probably blew us the whole season too since he played a few minutes tonight...

Oh, wait... Phil sucks...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Tough loss but somewhat predictable. I was encouraged by the defensive intensity and Pau's energy level. Despite the loss I enjoyed watching DRose do his thing.


Poor shooting and too many turnovers did the Lakers in. And the Killer B's were subpar as a group.


Fret not Laker Nation. If the Lakers put forth this type of defensive effort each night they will be fine!

@ Jon K, Keep dreaming pal.

Yes, you *are* the Lakers. No, you wouldn't rise.

This is your demise.

You *were* the champions.

Lakers - The most overrated team in NBA.

Nuff said.

l33t 43gn7: "Kobe looked frustrated and helpless. He couldn't bail out the team, as he doesn't have the energy anymore. He's too old and feeble. Phil should give Kobe more rest and play him every other game. Kobe should retire along with Phil.
Did I mention this Lakers team will not enter the playoffs?"
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Kobe is helpless? Feeble?

What next, you'll be calling to trade Andrew Bynum for a 14-yr old Punjabi jungle-dwelling boy...

Heck, maybe they should just play Luke over Kobe, my god I wouldn't want his feeble body to fall apart mid-game and cost the Lakers an 'enter' into the playoffs...

BTW, I believe you didn't mention how the Lakers would enter the playoffs, now would you tell us if the Lakers would enter the playoffs, and if you have already said that the Lakers would enter the playoffs or not...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

wHY d0'N7 j00 cr4wl 84CK 1N j00r H0l3, l337 493n7!

@CyberCosmiX

I wouldn't trade Bynum. Just trade the old farts - Kobe and Fish. I don't like them - I'm a vegetarian.

4g3n7

I don't think 4g3n7 is Eric Wright or any other previous troll. He's signed on before this fall and summer under different handles.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Derek Fisher certainly didn't help the cause much tonight, nor did Ron Artest. Kobe Bryant missing 14 shots . . . plenty of blame to go around,a although statisically Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom put up great numbers. Fact of the matter is that a road win is always good, and a road win over a playoff team is even better.

But with a depleted squad right now, the Lakers are experiencing what every team in the NBA experiences when struggling with health -- tough times getting victories.

Cyber,

take deep breaths then go back and watch the game.. lakers had a sizable lead then luke checked in... all continuity and momentum lakers had built at that point was broken.. it was all downhill from there.. but i'd rather we continue this conversation another time.. good night!

4g3n7: Gee, and I thought many vegans ate fish. But I also suspect you're an emboldened Bulls fan, too. Shows what I know, huh?

Perhaps your l33t self is actually a pescetarianist instead...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

wHY d0'N7 j00 cr4wl 84CK 1N j00r H0l3, l337 493n7!

Posted by: CyberCosmiX | December 10, 2010 at 10:08 PM

WTF did you transcribe?

I see you crawling now. Good. Please take Jon. K along with you into the hole.

Don't Blame David Stern - DBDS.

@GDUB – Yep I tripped when Caron Wheeler went solo also. Her vibe just wasn’t the same without Jazzy B imho. Anyway the good news is I hear they’ve reunited and a new Soul 2 Soul cd is due out in 2011. Of course I’m a fan of the Brand New Heavies also.


I didn’t realize James Moody died yesterday. My sympathy and prayers go out to his family and friends.What a great talent. His Moody’s Mood For Love was truly a masterpiece. Amy did it proud. Of course, the original by Eddie Jefferson was superb, but my favorite was by George Benson with Patti Austin.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irWpf1Cph4o&feature=related


"James will you come on in you can blow now if you want to we’re through."

I know srafrank already did, but i liked this so much I had to repost it again.

Wow..I am a Bulls fan and checked the LATimes to see what the reaction was to the Bulls win. Your team is the 2X defending champs. Treat them with respect. They probably will be in the finals again this year. They lost to a good Bulls team on the road. Do any of you even understand the game?

Posted by: Pete | December 10, 2010 at 09:28 PM

Other than that, and to point out that yellofever always hates on Luke and Fish, and everybody wishes he wouldn't, but he's not a troll. Hater, arguably, but not a troll. J/king, yello.

Also just to cheer everybody up, I would like to mention that I'm about to drop Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva from my fantasy team for sticking up the joint and because Will Bynum is outplaying them. The Detroit Pistons still have three years at like 17M+/yr left with these guys. Could be worse.

THE LOVE SHOULD STILL HERE BEING WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT ALL THE TIME, BUT pHRED IS WORKING TOO MUCH.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

right, stinking up the joint. Or, to be less polite about it, sucking really bad.

You guys, for all the bad mouthing of the Heat, I hope the Heat embarrass the Lakers on Christmas day. That will be priceless.

Phil brought it upon himself - self-flagellation.

Lakers fan faithful, I know I shouldn't rub you on a loss. If it helps, I can pacify you to sleep singing a lullaby.

I like it when I see this Blog go from reasoning to discombobulation. Where's class, blog?

Good night. And more bad news coming your way on Sunday.

Derek Fisher certainly didn't help the cause much tonight, nor did Ron Artest. Kobe Bryant missing 14 shots . . . plenty of blame to go around,a although statisically Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom put up great numbers. Fact of the matter is that a road win is always good, and a road win over a playoff team is even better.

But with a depleted squad right now, the Lakers are experiencing what every team in the NBA experiences when struggling with health -- tough times getting victories.

Posted by: Dan Loumena
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Dan, the man...always the voice of reason.
I must say, thank you my friend.

4g3n7- hope away, my alpha numeric friend, and by 'friend' i mean 'guy who just posted here that i have no idea who he is,' hope away.

However, if you are new to the game of basketball, I would like to mention that the NBA plays what some teams call 'the rest of the season' after December 25. The Lakers play what we call 'the rest of pre season.' Until the middle of April, when our regular season begins.

If you do in fact have any particular link to the Heat organization, you might mention that to them.

That aside, you got any good lullabies, bring your best stuff. We like some good music around here, if you do know what a lullaby is.

From your idea of what self flagellation and discomboblulation mean, by 'lullaby' you might mean something like 'a south african fruit' or something. I have no idea.

I don't blame you for stopping by now, though. If you are a heat fan, this might be your only chance to post here, because if we beat the heat on christmas, and then beat a good eastern conference team in the finals, you don't have much chance to talk smack, so get it in while you can.

Oh, and if you are a Heat fan, what do you think about the fact that your best players are deliberating playing below their skill level in order to get rid of their current coach? Is that cool with you?

Oh, while we are talking about lullabies, here are a couple of good ones I like;

The Beatles; "Good Night'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdRgdiSizFE

Mozart; "Eine Kleine Nachtmusik'

I looked for "Go to bed, Moron Miami Heat Fan' But I didn't find that one. Maybe some aspiring young musician will one day fill the void, but for now, we'll have to get by with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gmZ4RJp5GQ&feature=related

and of course, an old time favorite;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1PBptSDIh8

Lrob, indeed...James Moody...The world lost a bit of class...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3q7gffjV8k

Derek Fisher certainly didn't help the cause much tonight, nor did Ron Artest. Kobe Bryant missing 14 shots . . . plenty of blame to go around,a although statisically Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom put up great numbers. Fact of the matter is that a road win is always good, and a road win over a playoff team is even better.

But with a depleted squad right now, the Lakers are experiencing what every team in the NBA experiences when struggling with health -- tough times getting victories.

Posted by: Dan Loumena

Excuses, excuses, and more excuses. Dan, thank you man.

phred,

How do you like Oregon's chances against Auburn?

Hey 4g3n7,

Those aren't excuses, those are reasons for a loss or for struggling through a stretch of games. I'm not rationalizing or making excuses, just pointing out facts such as the Lakers are without their shot-blocking, rebound-grabbing 7-foot center, their 7-foot veteran backup center, their 6-9 rookie forward-center. They're an injury-depleted NBA team, particularly in the frontcourt. Bad thing to be in the association.

Fact of the matter: The Lakers had a chance to win. On the road. Against a playoff-worthy team, which happened to make enough key three-pointers to carry the day. Five more games to go on this road trip. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out, particularly against a bunch of sub-.500 teams.

Back to work I go . . .

@phred; However, if you are new to the game of basketball, I would like to mention that the NBA plays what some teams call 'the rest of the season' after December 25. The Lakers play what we call 'the rest of pre season.' Until the middle of April, when our regular season begins.

I don't blame you for stopping by now, though.

Posted by: phred | December 10, 2010 at 10:46 PM

Stop being defensive and admit the Lakers are a crappy team.

No, I'm not a Heat fan per se. Well, if enemy of an enemy makes a friend then, yes, yours truly is a Heat fan.

BTW from where did you hear Lakers' season starts only from mid-April?

Ron, Kobe and Fish don't have any pep in their step. This team will take a big pounding on this road-trip and will come with zero wins.

It's time for the organization to trade what's left of this team and start the rebuilding process.

Just let Derek know that Jordan Farmar awaits him on Sunday.


Good night.

4g3n7 (i.e., Agent)

EJK- could go either way. Should be a good game.

4gwhatever- so, does this mean no south african fruit for us? Darn.

@phred; how do you know that some Heat players are intentionally playing below their capability to get the coach ousted? Are you speculating or do you know this for a fact?

Either way, even this sub-par Heat (team) will make the Lakers look small on Christmas day.

Happy Holidays.


4gwhatever- so, does this mean no south african fruit for us? Darn.

Posted by: phred | December 10, 2010 at 11:20 PM

You're a tool.

I have predicted 7-7 record for the remainder of this year

Chicago played the Lakers tough at Staples, go with Chicago this game.
Update: doubt if given a chance, the Bulls will self-destruct ala the Clippers

Result: Chicago wins with some big shots down the stretch after the Lakers make it close late.

Next: New Jersey----- First look at Jordan Farmar, Jordy is averaging 10.4 points but shooting a putrid 38% from the field. NJ should not pose a problem but the Lakers tend to play down to the level of their competition.


Fri 03 vs Sacramento........WIN/win......1-0
Tue 07 vs Washington......WIN/win......2-0
Wed 08 @ LA Clippers......LOSS/win.....3-0 (2-1)
Fri 10 @ Chicago...............LOSS/loss....3-1 (3-1)
Sun 12 @ New Jersey........WIN
Tue 14 @ Washington......LOSS
Wed 15 @ Indiana............LOSS
Fri 17 @ Philadelphia.......WIN
Sun 19 @ Toronto............WIN
Tue 21 vs Milwaukee........WIN
Sat 25 vs Miami................LOSS
Tue 28 @ San Antonio......LOSS
Wed 29 @ New Orleans....LOSS
Fri 31 vs Philadelphia.......WIN

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Posted by: Nostradamus

I'm sure all the haters are lovin this... oh the Lakers haven't beaten any good teams! They definitely aren't going to make any noise in the playoffs! Lol and those same people say Laker fans are ignorant? They are trying to threepeat, not very easy to do. You have to renew that sense of focus again and it's even harder to do that than the previous year. The Lakers are very smart and they will be fine. They embrace overcoming adversity and thrive at it, moreso than any other team in pro sports. They still have the best team, player and coach. We are also dealing with some injuries and depth issues at the moment, but that's part of the deal. So haters, please, keep hating. And to the dude that says do any of you Laker fans know anything about basketball, here's one that does.

Greetings Lakeshow Fans,

Based on my observation about the Lakers team and their 16-7 record thus far, I'm sure that many fans are on pins and needles and have had their faith in this team nervously challenged. Quite normal...

I guess it's not easy to accept their poor overall play when considering how well other teams like Miami, Boston, Dallas, and San Antonio have been playing. Sure, it's TOO EASY to get on a team that is a TWO TIME DEFENDING CHAMPIONS not performing to champion form and resolve.

HERE'S MY TAKE:

Consider that the Lakers are the ONLY team that has played MORE games than anyone in the last three years... Counting MEANINGFUL playoff games, they have played close to 100 GAMES a season. Wow!

Put this into perspective as well...They have played almost a season worth of games EXTRA. That's BIG TIME minutes! The two players mostly affected are KB24 and Fish, which explains their recent struggles on both ends collectively. You can add Gasol as well...Hey, we all have seen this movie before...ADVERSITY leading to CHAMPIONSHIPS...Right?

Hmmm...Tell me a team out there who wouldn't LOVE to be in the Lakers shoes now, being the champion for two consecutive years? Believe me folks, teams are WARY of the Lakers come playoff time, especially when they are at FULL STRENGTH!

Also, consider that the Lakers is a team loaded with veterans at 30+ years of age that look to pace themselves a bit more than most teams. Remember, this team is not designed like most out there with zippy point guard play that break you off the dribble and freakish athletes. This is WHO they are…

It is a team that utilizes the triangle philosophy on offense and requires timing and understanding and a heck of a lot of PATIENCE. It’s about MOVEMENT and SPACING of players SIMULTANEOUSLY. We also know that good triangle play leads to GOOD, SOLID defense. It will all come as the team becomes more settled with the rotation, which would be pretty NICE...

Furthermore, it's no coincidence why newbies like Blake and Barnes to include Ratliff and the rooks have struggled as a unit for the most part, integrating their style of play and roles. Heck, even Ron is STILL adjusting. I've been pleased by Odom and Brown's play considering the circumstances.

Rest assured that come post all-star break, Phil will have this team READY! Don't worry, Kobe, Fish, and Pau will have a LOT to say down the stretch with a healthy Bynum and Artest (YES, Artest seems to be struggling with his back and plantar fasciitis once again which explains his defensive dropoff recently)

Here's another consideration...Understand that this version of the Lakers is DIFFERENT than the last two championship teams. Think about that for a moment...Injuries to different guys at different times, opponents getting better, and age which have given this team a bit more run for their money.

We as fans can gripe all day about our Lakers lackluster play thus far. However, CONSIDER this last thought...This team has a FORMULA for success and CHAMPIONSHIPS. Based on that notion, it will be interesting to see how other teams like the ones mentioned earlier will hold up come April, when the MEANINGFUL, PRESSURED-FILLED games begin.

Like I always believe, ADVERSITY breeds CHAMPIONS.

Let the media and critics bask on the greatness of Miami, Boston, Dallas, etc. all year long. That's fine. In the end, all that matters is left standing in JUNE!

Laker pride through ALL and ANY ADVERSITY! The THREE-PEAT is on the horizon.

Peace!

Nostradamus

If it wasn't for the Clipper's collapse the other night, you would be batting a 1000

Can't see them losing to Washington and Indiana though, wait a minute, I can.

How do one perceive greatness?How do one define a great basketball team?How do a player become a legend?What are the steps to achieve all of the above.Now being an Nba fan since from the 80s and a laker supporters since then,there is one team,one coach,one player that always struck my mind.The great Chicago Bull,MJ and Phil jackson.They are the ones that epitomise true greatness and legendary status,as we say in the UK they are legends.Being a laker fan lets then compare this laker team to the great Chicago Bulls.For the young laker fans out there,for one I never saw or heard that the Bulls led by MJ went through a 4 game losing streak under head coach Phil Jackson.Never,point 2 that great Bulls team never went to a 7 game Nba final,never.By the 6th game of the nba finals was the fact that the Bulls had already wraped up the title.Point 3,1991 Nba finals my Show Time Lakers with Magic,Kareem,Worthy,Cooper and AC, vs the the team that had now mastered the Triangle Offence led by Phil Jackson.In the first game the my Lakrs won at home,well that was a spark for the greatest player or the greatest tandem players of all time,Jordan and Pippen,they beat up on the greatest show time on earth that legendary Laker line up,the Bulls won the next 3 games and the ultimate NBA title.And the rest is history.The Bulls played with courage,great intensity,skills,focus and attention to details.They ran the triangle with beauty,they stuck to the game plan,it was not a one man show,but it was team that was sparked by the greatest basketballer player of all time(no one cant be compared with).They were able to kill team of with their superior defensive skills.Against sub par .500 team they went through with ease,the bench of the likes of Jude Burchler,Stever Ker and tony kukoc even spark the team with their shooting ability?When can we see the lakers of great making history?Who can provide the spark when the team is sick or down and out?Who can the encourage the team in times of big slumps?When can we see another Michael Jordan,i mean another player of similiar characteristic,not the one on this current laker team.

[ ] surprised after all I've seen so far
[ ] changes my outlook on the season
[X] predictable posts mid season by non-fans

Fact for all you Fisher lovers. The great Derek Fisher has 3 3 pointers in his last 10 games. Oh I guess that is part of the triangle for Fisher to make as little 3 pointers as possible.

hope nxt time if evrybody cant shot from outside try sasha to play to open up the tight defense of the opponent team....

Fisher in 30 minutes tonight had 1 assist. Oh yeah he is very integral to the triangle offense. He walks over half court and passes to a wide open man. What passing skills !!!

All the people saying that the regular season has no value, but we'll see what happens if they play San Antonio, Dallas, Oklahoma.. in the west and Boston, Miami.. in the east without home court adventage in the play-offs.

'But this will at least be a jumping off point for you. . .'

Man, you can say that again.
May I suggest the Santa Monica Pier?

Go Kings!

Sonnybelfast

Ninja good post because your frame of reference seems similar to mine and I agree with most of what you said. Kobe has the moves and the shots etc but there is something missing. Like last year Xmas game he said it was just a regular game and the Cavs were no rivals. I was highly disappointed in those comments because it was a marque game on a prominent day. The result is history. In the Finals his performance was not Kobeesque because he placed more pressure on himself by bottling up all of his emotions. He gave one word response to questions asked all the while those butterflies were churning in his stomach. In my opinion and I hate to say this because no one was a bigger hater than me but Jordan is the true King and Kobe is a prince in line for the throne.

Now to the present day issues. The Lakers are in trouble. There is no attention to defense and the offense comes and goes. Kobe shot is off this season maybe due to his finger. But Kobe needs to be more of a vocal leader to fire up the troops. Not Fisher but Kobe. Phil must emphasize defense. The question is can the Lakers win another ring as a road team. I doubt it. Kobe can play well on the road and at home but what about his mere mortal teammates. LA need to start studying Boston because they are in championship. Their defense is just plain stingy and KG is back in true form. On offense they have so many weapons and are probably as deep as the Lakers and they are playing with a chip on their shoulders. The Lakers are playing like the two time defending champion resting on their laurels. It is like in Rocky 3 when Rock met Mr. T for the championship where he was the champion and T was a hungry and angry challenger. We all know how well that turn out.

So we lost to a very good Bulls team last night...When's the next game again?

So we lost to a very good Bulls team last night...When's the next game again?

Posted by: Caliphilosopher | December 11, 2010 at 04:42 AM

a very good team does not shoot a record low 12 points in a quarter. but i guess that is part of the symbolic logic. what do i know?

The Lakers look really old and slow, are they planning on doing a Boston thing from last year? Coast through the regular season, try to get and stay healthy and then try to steal some playoff series without home court advantage.

Not a good idea; the reality is that the Celtics are and were a better team than the Lakers and even they couldn't overcome a game 7 on the road where the referees give the home team twenty more free throws than the road team; including 15 free throws to 2 in the last 6 minutes of the game.

The Lakers only chance is to have home court in the western and NBA finals; they better get their cr.. together.

Anyone remember the stat where the Lakers opened series of the playoffs at the Staples Center instead of the road, since acquiring Pau Gasol??
The Stat is 11-1 when the Lakers have Game 1 on the Staples center floor. The lone loss was when the Lakers had to play game 1 on the Celtics floor for the NBA Finals.

The Celtics are playing for the home court this year; which is surprising.
They know that if game 7 was on their court the outcome would of maybe; be different.
HCA means alot to the Eastern Conference Teams; since they play the Lakers twice a year. In the West, the Lakers could be in the 4th spot and still win their conference.. That's because they play western teams 3/4 times a year.
The West still the strongest conference of the NBA.
In the East any team can contend to play in its conference finals.
No two teams have met in the Eastern Conference Finals more than twice in the past decade.
In the West, it comes down to the Lakers or the Spurs who decides who gets the trophy.
Lets all remember that now-a-days- the Trophy runs through LA or San Antonio.

Jolly Joe-
Yes, thanks to the God given free-throws of game 7 that the Lakers got over the Celtics, did we win that series.
Also, we are thankful for the Celtics giving up that 13 point lead mid 3rd quarter.
Oh, and we are also so thankful that the Basketball Gods saw the injustices that the Celtics got away with in the 08 Finals.

Lets see if Doc Rivers 'unbeaten starting five in the playoffs' could beat any Lakers unbeaten five of '10?

shannon sucked last night! poor defense poor shooting

a very good team does not shoot a record low 12 points in a quarter. but i guess that is part of the symbolic logic. what do i know?

Posted by: ouchhhhhhhh | December 11, 2010 at 04:57 AM

Not much, unfortunately.

Ugly, ugly, ugly.

The Lakers are going through the Bermuda Triangle lately. Happens to every team every season, but it is damn ugly. It isn't that any individual player looks consistently bad (with one exception), but as a TEAM they just aren't playing well. Kobe and Pau got them off to a great start as a duo. Lamar played well. But they got very little from Fish, Artest, Brown, Blake and Barnes.


Most of this was not long-term concerning, except for the impact on home court advantage. But Artest is starting to worry me. He looks completely lost. He needs to stop thinking about the NFL and start focusing on the NBA. I guess last year at this time he was "tripping over Christmas presents" so there is time for Ron to come around. But his mental apprach to the game seems horrible.


Bynum can't come back fast enough. The Lakers are so thin up front. They only really have one guy who can play center, and he's a forward. Behind Pau and Lamar they have nobody. And Pau and Lamar are both thin guys, there is no bulk up front. It's tough to go 48 minutes with that kind of depth up front.


Just because you discuss what isn't working and what is, doesn't make you a hater. It just makes you a concerned fan. I am concerned, but I am also a huge fan going back to the late 60's. One can lament about the shortcomings and still be a fan.

1. Pau is the best big man in the game, but having trouble lately.
2. Kobe is the best basketball player ever, but is still not 100%.
3. D-Fish is one of the “clutchest” players ever, but is slowing up on D.
4. Ron is the best defensive player in the league, but his offense has gone downhill since joining the team.
5. Lamar is the most versatile player in the league, but struggles from night to night to really bring it. When he gets it going he is unstoppable. Sometimes he doesn't get it going.
6. The B's are the best bench in the league when they are at home, but seem to struggle on the road.
7. The rookies have great raw talent, but need more work.
8. Sasha is a great defender and great shooter when he is healthy, but doesn't get a chance to play.
9. Luke sees the whole court, is a great passer, and makes his team look good when he is on the floor. He also isn't playing.

In the last two games the offense has been sputtering, at the same time the defense has gotten a lot better.

I saw this loss coming. Chicago has a great young team. Great young teams give us problems - especially when they are at home in front of their screaming fans.

I wish PJ read this stuff. I can see why he wouldn't looking at some of the posts... ;-) If he read it, he would hear me say over and over - "FAST GUARDS ARE KILLING US, PUT IN SASHA AND TAKE THEM OFF THEIR GAME. He has all the rings and knows best, but please, please,please give this a try.

If Drew comes in and plays out the season, we “threepeat”. Pau needs him so that he is free to play his finesse game. No Drew, no ring.

If Artest was making his shots, our record would be very different.

I am looking forward to Sunday. I think JF will step up. He knows all of our weaknesses. Unfortunately for him, the Killer B's will bounce back to show they were not a mistake and we will get the W.

I am a Lakerholic.

I really appreciate this blog and having the chance to talk about the Lakers. I meant no disrespect in my previous post to other bloggers. I enjoy reading other people's point of view even if I don't agree.

I am a Lakerholic.

these guys looked like the Del Harris Lakers.

Up high early, getting relaxed, going to sleep...

One missed pass becomes two, three, four turnovers

Rose runs right up the middle of the paint and who stops him? NOBODY.

Creep, creep, lose that steep lead and it's catchup, catchup all the way to a...LOSS

Tighten up, guys. Quick. Yeah, the bench is deeper this year than last (and we won last year but...)

BUT: this year the other teams are going on winning steaks while we are...sloppy!

Right now it's a battle for homecourt advantage. Where are you, Drew???
(Not even on the bench.)

Sux. Next!

The D was impressive. Great to see on the road. Shots just didn't fall.

I'm mOre en courage by the D showing up on the road. That is a better indicator of things to come than the lack of offense for one night. The marks the first truly bad offensive game of the season. At this rate, that means the Lakers will have four such games. I'll take it.

BTW, I don't sesame to hear any idiot claim the offense was stagnant. We ran our offense last night. Shots just didn't fall. It happens.

Also look at Deng's and Rose's threes. Most of the ones they made were actually prety well covered. Those two missed their open ones, and hit their contested ones. What fault can you assign to that?

None.

Games like this happen.

--FEARless

BTW, Fish was not burned by Rose last night. Rose hit several floaters and tear drops over him. A floater is the shot you resort to as a guard when you fail to beat your man off the dribble. Anyone who has played the game knows this. That is the reason it is so effective and so frustrating. The teardrop is nearly unblockable, yet is unleashed on you to culminate a brilliant defensive sequence on your part. It makes you feel like, "all that effort for nothing!"

MM, I would hope that you noticed the same thing and note it in your eventual fleshed out game analysis.

--FEARless

I would like to also add this...

With Da Coach definitely saying this would be his last time on the Chicago floor...

He's in it to win. Jackson is the Jordan of coaches in the NBA.

What'cha got, Boston? Red? Been there, flattened that record STAT!

Phil is for real, and anyone who underestimates is a FOOL

He's playin' for real this season, and I believe. He's better than Doc by a long shot, baby.

All the chips are in, and early. He's as big a part of this team as any. I BELIEVE!!!


Fourth Three-peat for PHIL, and a tie for MICHAEL/KOBE WILL come!

Lakerholic -

I appreciate what you have to say, given that you clearly articulate your concerns. Nothing wrong with being a concerned Laker fan, instead of being someone who just throws out the vitriol towards a certain player or players.

I'm hoping a number of your concerns gets worked out rather quickly (like Ron going on a hot streak). I will consider the road trip successful if we end at 4-2.

Fearless -

I was particularly impressed with the defense as well. Holding a team like the Bulls to under 40 points for the half? I am quite impressed with that. I also saw some of the 3s that Luol and Rose hit - not much better defense you can do than contesting. Luol I know has been working on his 3-pt shot, but I didn't think Rose could shoot that well.

On to the next one then!

@Lakerholic:

Great, well articulated breakdown. What impresses me the most is that all the things you've mentioned are easily correctable. There is nothing to it but to do it.

--FEARless

I can understand why Phil wants to retire after this season. Even with zen-like patience it must be frustrating trying to communicate a message to a bunch of morons. Yes, our Lakers have now settled in to their "enjoyable" brand of knuckleheaded frustratoball. Jeez, must we endure this crap until...say the WCF? Or will our arrogance overcome our luck this time?

My doomsday scenario looks more and more plausible (losing the title because of no homecourt advantage) 'cause I think we already lost homecourt. My hope is that we can win on the road come the playoffs. Right now it doesn't even look like we'll have homecourt in the west. A lot of things can change yes, but the IQ of our players can't... They're even too stupid to realize that you can overcome lack of basketball IQ with some heart! Maybe Da-Doo-Ron-Ron isn't the only one having trouble grasping the triangle..?

Andy L:

Have you given the players an IQ test?

@Caliphilosopher:

Imagine if the O was clicking in concert with the D. We'd be a juggernaut right now. But this is stuff you go through. This is why PJ calls thi time the practice season. He doesn't even get overly concerned until after the Christmas game anyway.

He's won 11 rings with this philosophy.

--FEARless

@ Caliphilosopher

I've watched all the games. ;-)

Caliphilosopher

while u r commenting on the trolls and haters, u r the most condescending and partronizing a$$ on this blog. get a life, write your essays and go to class. and yes continue your pleasantries.

how is the weather in london? at 4pm you r on the Lakers blog????????????

how pathetic

and if you really need some examples, i can re-play some things you said over the years. not even higfh school level

did u ever checked the logic or the blunders "the POSITIVE" or the RWEAL FANS are posting???????????

sghould i start by an example by Zaira, the Godess? or you won't touch her because u suck up to her??????????????????

get a life reallty

u r sleeping and not watching most of the games, come here to tell us about your SUPERIOR daily endeavours and never comment about BB except presenting stats from sites.

THIS IS NOT YOUR CLASS PAL

u r still a "wannabe" teacher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Count me as not worried. Once we have Bynum back, we will have all the pieces we need to defend our title on a nightly basis.

I do note that PJ KILLED our momentum in the first when he inserted Luke. You can't insult teams like that and expect them not to respond!

Listening to the game on the radio, I heard Thompson say that it was OK for the Lakers to let Rose shoot the 3 pointer instead of driving layups, because according to him Derrick can't shoot from outside. Boy was he wrong.
Bottom line, and once again, guards playing against the Lakers will have a field day because there isn't any real perimeter defense.
Fish has been a liability for the last three years, yes he will make that shot at the end of the game to save face, but if he played any better during the rest of the game there wouldn't be any need for late game heroics.
Rose schooled him, particularly in that last shot Rose made, true that was a great shot but Fish couldn't stay with him.
Yet the problem lately continues to be the lack of offensive production from Artest and the bench.

In this game you can't rest on your past accomplishments. Every season is different. Teams change players and some get better while others get worst. The Lakers seemed old and tired as if they just played a back to back. If you're Kobe and jack up 23 shots only making 9 that's not going to cut it. Gasol can't carry this team alone. I'm afraid that Kobe isn't the same since the knee injury. It's still to early in the season but I can't see us beating the better teams in a 7 game series with this group. At this point I think the Mavs, Spurs, Heat, Celtics are better.

Just bring it Bynum. If these losses don't fuel your intensity to return and excel, then you are not a Laker.

Jeez Lakers bigs are depleted and we are still in every game in the last few minutes? It could be a lot worse.

Don't worry Artest, the referees put the whistle in their pocket in the playoffs and we will need you then.

I'm a fan and hear your point, but its the regular season and a true fan doesn't sweat it for a veteran team. Lakers are waiting til late may and june before they get excited. Bulls might be a 4 seed this year they are a legit wing player away from being a contender for finals until then 2nd round and out.

The Lakers are missing what won them two championships these past 2 years: Defense. Bynum's return will help (especially with interior presence), but the problems run deeper than that.

I'm not going to make any judgement on what goes on out West, but so far the Mavs and Spurs are playing FAR superior basketball to the Lakers, and if they keep up the pace, the Lakers will have to contend without homecourt advantage.

Even if the Lakers do manage to get past the hungry Texas teams, it won't matter...BECAUSE

well...I can quite literally and bluntly say this no other way...

The Celtics are going to MURDER the Lakers...

...both in the regular season and in the finals (if the Lakers are even lucky enough to get there this year). Home court advantage belongs out East this year on the green and parquet my friends.

Oh and by the way, I don't even want to hear the "injury excuse". Boston's been playing without Kendrick Perkins, Jermaine O'Neal, and Delonte West. Shaq has basically only played 50% of Celtic games so far...yet the team has an 18-4 record? They've won the past several games while starting their 60th draft pick rookie center Semih Erden!!! Wow, just how dooooo they do it?

It's all KG. He's got retribution aimed straight at every player that embarrassed him last year...with your very own Gasol at the top of the list.

Whatever the Celtics have right now, the Lakers most certainly do not.

I think by now, you must know what part of the country I'm from:)

i have come to the conclusion that the lakers have a coaching
problem.the coachin staff all look like they are dead.sit around like a bunch of stiff.how can you loose a big lead without calling time out to break the other team momenium.

pj look like he is sleep sitting there on his high seat.the
other coaches look like they are confuse.


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