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Poll: What do you think of the Sasha Vujacic trade?

As you are all already aware, the Lakers traded Sasha Vujacic and a 2011 first-round draft pick to the New Jersey Nets for veteran forward Joe Smith as part of a multi-team trade. The Lakers also receive Golden State's second-round draft selection in 2011, Chicago's second-round selection in 2012 and the rights to 6-foot-10 Ukrainian center Sergei Lishouk, 28, who was drafted by Memphis with the 49th pick in 2004 and later had his rights traded to Houston.

You've been discussing this trade in the comments, but not everyone participates in that area of the Lakers blog, so this is a chance for all Lakers fans to let their voice be heard. What do you think of the trade? Vote now.

 

 

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What do you think of the Sasha Vujacic trade?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xKUiva2WSQ

and i really don't care about you opinions.

Posted by: ouchhhhhhhh | December 15, 2010 at 12:26 PM
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It's too bad. You might actually learn something if you did.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | December 15, 2010 at 12:29 PM

Wow ever since 888 won the reader comment award
his head has been OJ Simpson like.

It's about time they traded the bum. He can't make shots that count.

Art - good call!

I'm all past the Sasha stuff and gearing up for tonight. Out of sight, out of mind. (I'm so fickle that way.) We have to come hard and keep up the focus. I'm hoping for this to be a "telling" game where we can flow a little, D a little and show our mettle a little. And, of course, get the W a lot.

Of course they got rid of him, remember last year when he was back talking to the coaches and was benched for a few games? Total bad egg and I'm sure he brought some venom into the locker room. He's a good player and will be fine wherever he lands.

Now they need to trade the worthless Luke Walton

Tonight on ESPN :

Semih Erden {Celts 4th string center} will drop 30 on NY!

Can't make shots that count? Are you a retard? The Lakers dont win 2 straight championships if Sasha doesn't come in and hit both free throws. Clearly you know nothing about basketball, douche bag.

Sorry to see the guy my mom calls "the handsome one that plays on that team you like" go, but it seems to be the best for everyone. More playing time for Sasha which gives him a better chance of landing a decent contract next year, less $$ on the Lakers books means a happier owner and Joe gets to be carried to a ring after a very long career.

Sasha, we thank you for all you've given us, good luck in NJ, hopefully you're smokin' fiance doesn't mind you changing coasts.

Now at PF we have Gasol, Odom, Caracter, Theo and Smith. We certainly didn't trade Sasha to improve the team, because the Gasol/Odom tandem is the best in the NBA and now that Bynum is back doesn't need any help. Unless Theo's knee has ended his career.

At guard both Kobe and Brown play a high risk style, and that is all the depth we have at that position. Fish and Blake are the worst PG tandem in the NBA, and if one of them gets hurt, then what? Especially since we need to guard Ray Allen and Rondo in June, and Kobe can only guard one of them. The other is going to be red hot against the three other guards defense.

The trade made the team worse, but did save Dr. Buss some serious money. Lousy poker hands don't pay for themselves.

Like to give a shot out to dan the man.. Like how he handled the situation.. Like CCS.. Calm Cool n Swift but most of all remained objective as a moderator.. For we all know MM can be a victim of lil too much preferential treatment from time to time.. Just sayin!

Just a thought... lakers got reinforcements with bynum.. Great but miami n bostons cavalry hasn't even arrived yet.. Miller n perkins still on their way.

Sincerely, I'm really Happy that the "Little Banner Holderette" is healthy again.

Hope Utz's case was/is a lesson that parents, like myself, should do anything in their power to make the best choices regarding their kids to keep them out of any harm way. They are our future while innocent and vulnerable.

Edwin, thank you for being again the voice of wisdom.

buy the way, as an artist I do anything but paint. :-)
no brushes in my studio. except for wall painting

I will re-iterate: I'm a moron, a jerk, a douche, a spammer, a hater and a toxic POSER.

I will take my talents to South Beach.

@Ouchhhhh


I forgive you. I won't forget.


Going forward, when you see the name utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER on this Blog, do not respond. Scroll past every post you see. When others mention THE BANNER HOLDER in conversation, bite your tongue till the white meat shows. Do not speak to me. Do not quiz me about obscure St. Louis artists. And certainly do not mention my children - not even to ask how they're doing! Submit a REAL prayer to God and He will reveal to you how they're doing.


Starve me now. Starve me forever. Case closed.

I can't believe they are trading Sasha!!! The Lakers are deconstructing a team that got them two championships, and all for a pay cut!! I think they should of gotten rid of Luke Walton before Sasha!!! Then the Lakers are bringing Smith who is 9 years older than Sasha, who knows if his stamina can keep up with the younger players especially if they want to go to the finals!!!!

Dan Loumena

you are the one guilty for this situation.

but, you took personally the fact that i repeated your name in CAPS. that means screaming on the blog. nothing more. it is about FORM

u felt offended. i JUST tried to get your attention with ALL CAPS
and if you are questioning the re-peating, it's part of my posting style. 

it's free, there is space, and i'm not using more trees to do it.

but maybe you r just biased against me because i made fun about your Toy Boy "No Joy Stiff" Roy and the Blazers. you are a Kobe basher, so what's the problem. or i guess, Kobe bashing is OK.

calling someone S.O.B. is about CONTENT.

and i guess pretty offensive.

it is really sad that you can't make the difference between CONTENT and FORM. way to be a "journalist" and a MODERATOR.

you could have stop it then, buy pointing it out to Noah and Mark G. 

the K Bros would have banned them on the spot or at least give them a warning. yes it happened before and things got straightened out smoothly.

U DID NOT DO YOUR JOB

and now, because you did not do your job, all the bloggers have to suffer.

IT'S YOUR INCOMPETENCE and i will address IT with your superiors.

and i hope you will post this, so all the bloggers are aware of my position

thanks for playing

ouch

all this trading and they HAVE'NT TRADED LUKE WALTON YET!! WTF!? Shasa was a good player...

How can I think about the Sasha trade when the readers of this site have taken to cannibalism?


One simple rule guys: no family, friends or sensitive personal issues are fodder for discussion, talk, ridicule or a few laughs.


That's it. Leave that stuff on the bus.


Wes

I will remember Sasha for his role in the run to the 2008 Finals. His shot left him at times, and he was always in Phil's doghouse, but he's a gritty player.

And yes, the FTs at the end of a Game 7n victory for the title against the Boston Celtics will always be fondly remembered.

It seems to me his defensive effort fuels his productivity on offense, and based on the eyeball test, he forgets sometimes. I wish him and Farmar the best in NJ.

Ouchhhhh,


No. Stop mentioning that issue someone has with their child. It's not OK. Ever.


You obviously got mad and seem to be fighting back, but no kids. There's no room for that stuff.


Wes


Wes

Let's look at it like this:

Lakers weren't playing Sasha
Lakers aren't going to play Joe (3 ppg)

Lakers traded a first round pick for 2 second round picks.

And if person A is at fault for not doing a lead test on his apartment, then I'm at fault too, because i've never done a lead check of any walls in any apt I've ever rented.


Not one, not ever.


Sorry. Next subject.


Wes

I'm just excited to know that my favorite Ukrainian center, Sergei Lishouk, may have a chance to play for the champs!

DBDH!

I'm over it, Wes. You do the same, brother.

LongTimeLakerFan,

you wrote: Remember. The Lakers were in 1st place in the West before Bynum went down and they acquired Pau. Even if they hadn't gotten Pau, it's quite possible they could have gotten some other big that was enough to keep them in contention.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | December 15, 2010 at 01:40 PM

my response: Most of the time, when I have talked about Bynum & trading it's
always been in the category of roles. Your post seems similar & in that vein.

Fortunately for you, KobeMVP888 & LakerTom and others have chosen *NOT*
to rip you a new orifice. So, I find myself curious.

Where did you get the "orifice pass" ? is there a website that I needed to go to?


BTW, watch this: I want to see if I can get KobeMVP888 to pop something
important ...

"Bynum is moderately important to the Lakers"

I think this was a bad short term move by the Lakers and a good long term move.

I'm not sure this will help us to be better this year, but I believe it will help us be better next year, which is a greater concern of mine. We're already pretty awesome this year.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

>>>It's about time they traded the bum. He can't make shots that count.

Helping beat the Celtics in game 3 of the 2008 finals doesn't count?

Hitting the free throws to clinch the finals in 2010 doesn't count?

Good move, Lakers. Sasha NEVER became that player off the bench we all envisioned him becoming. Yes, he hit two clutch free-throws to seal the deal in last season's game 7 Finals, but had he lived up to his role as a reserve player (knocking down a couple of 3 pt. shots in big games) the Lakers would not have been relying on free throw baskets in the final minutes of games. Luke Walton needs to be shipped too. What good is Luke for the Lakers (when he's the slowest guy on the court, with no consistent outside shot, injury prone, and not the great passer the hype claims him to be)? Luke might cut it during the regular season, but he's a FAIL in the post season, every year, and Phil Jackson makes the same mistake every year by putting Luke on the playoff roster. We need effective bench players that can outscore the other team's bench.

>>>Semih Erden {Celts 4th string center} will drop 30 on NY!

Actually, Erden looked pretty damn good during the summer playing for Turkey (it was turkey, wasn't it?).

He may be the center with the most upside that the Celtics have.

Ouccchhhhh,

"I will re-iterate: I'm a moron, a jerk, a douche, a spammer, a hater and a toxic POSER."

Agreed. You insult good people to bring attention to yourself. Not cool under any circumstances and utterly childish.

"I will take my talents to South Beach."

Seems like a perfect place for you. I'm sure you'll fit right in among the Hype fans.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

What is Luke Walton still doing on the Lakers team?? Trading anyone on the Lakers while Luke Walton is still on the team is a bad move. At least Sasha is on the bench most of the time, ready to play if called; but where is Luke Walton?? WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO TRADE LUKE WALTON? --Phil Jackson's son!! I have never seen anything like this. If Lakers needed to trade anyone it should be Luke Walton. Or no, maybe Luke needs to go to Dr. Buss and BEG to be traded!!

bfan,

I'm with Sasha. Those freethrows were a huge moment in Lakers history.

I'm really put-off by all the attacks on Sasha. Sasha is a good player, there's just no place for him in such an amazingly deep team. Sasha needs to play in a contract year. The Lakers just weren't that team this year.

Sasha will be missed. I wish him the best.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

"What is Luke Walton still doing on the Lakers team?? Trading anyone on the Lakers while Luke Walton is still on the team is a bad move. At least Sasha is on the bench most of the time, ready to play if called; but where is Luke Walton?? WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO TRADE LUKE WALTON? --Phil Jackson's son!! I have never seen anything like this. If Lakers needed to trade anyone it should be Luke Walton. Or no, maybe Luke needs to go to Dr. Buss and BEG to be traded!!

Posted by: PUA | December 15, 2010 at 01:58 PM "

Look at his contract. It's not that the Lakers want to keep him, it's that no one will take him.

Luke Walton isn't going anywhere and anyone who has followed this team knows it.

Complaining about it is nothing but childish chicken littleitis.

Luke's got two rings and three Western Conference Championships. He's been limited by injury. He's not the player he was. Deal with it and wish him the best as a long-time member of this team.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Darn, lost post:


I was questioning wheather Kareems FT's at the end of game 6 in the 1988 finals were really better for fans than Sasha's finals-quinching FTs at the end of game 7.


I will say that Sasha's moment was super darn iconic not only because of the impending doom that we faced had he missed, but because of the exquisit eyebnrow maintance he performed before the double swish.


Here's what Wiki says about Kareem's FTs:


The fourth quarter was nip-and-tuck; with 1:17 left, Thomas, sore ankle and all, hit a baseline jumper for his 42nd and 43rd points to give the Pistons a 100-99 lead. The Lakers came down and Magic Johnson got the ball inside to James Worthy, but his layup attempt was blocked by Dennis Rodman. Joe Dumars penetrated inside on the ensuing possession, was fouled, and hit the two free throws for a three-point lead at 102-99 with a minute left.
The Lakers called timeout, and on the next possession, Byron Scott pump-faked Dumars at the top of the key and hit a 14-footer to cut the lead to one with 45 seconds left. Thomas then missed another baseline jumper and Worthy rebounded with 27 seconds remaining. The Lakers then set up and Scott got it to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who was fouled by Bill Laimbeer (his sixth) as he wheeled for a skyhook on the right baseline. Abdul-Jabbar hit the two free throws for a 103-102 lead with 17 seconds left.
After a time out, the Pistons set up for a final shot. Thomas stumbled over Rodman after inbounding the ball, and Dumars put up a wild shot that missed badly. After a mad scramble, Scott came up with the ball for the Lakers and was shoved out of bounds by Rodman, inciting a near-fight. After control was maintained, Scott missed the two foul shots, but it hardly mattered as the Pistons missed from halfcourt at the buzzer. Thomas would end up with 43 points and eight assists in a heroic performance.


Since we were down by one, I have to give it to Kareem, but by a hair (pardon the pun, please!)


And here's something else i found on Wiki; the greatest 52 moments in NBA history (where's Kobe's 81? If Wilt's 100 is there, Kobe's should also. But this is done by a bulls fan--OBVIOUSLY-- because the #1 moment shouldn't be in the top 50. As a matter of fact, WAY too many MJ moments):


#52 – Reggie’s push-off on Jordan to hit a three-point game winner in Game 5 of the ECF in 1998
#51 – Dikembe’s eight-seed Nuggs beat the Sonics
#50 – MJ’s shoulder shrug six-three-pointer first half against the Blazers
#49 – Iceman drops 63 (33 in a quarter) on the last day of the season to edge out David Thompson for the season scoring record
#48 – Larry Legend’s back-to-back game winners to give them home-court advantage in the last two games of the season
#47 – Vinnie Johnson Finals game winner over Portland
#46 – Big O wins a title with Milwaukee…Drops 30 in the final game
#45 – Memorial Day Miracle – Sean Elliot’s game winner in the WCF to beat Portland
#44 – Robert Horry beats Sacto
#43 – Larry Legend revives the Celtics
#42 – Sir Charles’ game winner to send Suns to Finals
#41 – Walton’s Blazers win the finals over Dr. J in his first season in the NBA
#40 – Game 6 1958 Finals: Bob Petit scores 19 of the last 21 and 50 total. “It was the greatest game of my life. It just happened to be in Game 6 of the NBA Finals.”
#39 – MJ drops the double-nickel in his return to MSG while rocking the 4-5 (5th game back after baseball).
#38 – Jerry West’s Game Winner in the NBA All Star game
#37 – Knicks comeback from down 18 with under 6 to go against the Big O/Kareem Bucks. They scored final 19 points of the game.
#36 – Lakers repeat after Riley’s guarantee that the would…beat hobbled Zeke, who was amazing while playing on a damn near broken ankle
#35 – Spud wins the 1986 Slam Dunk contest
#34 – Game 6 1993 NBA Finals: Bulls finish off Three Peat on Paxson’s jumper despite Barkley’s amazing game
#33 – Larry asks “who’s playing for 2nd” then wins three-point contest in his warm-up jacket with the walk-off #1 finger raised
#32 – George Mikan becomes a superstar, lead Minny Lakers to 5th title in 6 years
#31- Flu Game: MJ’s 38 with 103-degree temperature
#30 – Derek Fisher’s 4/10ths of a second WCF game-winner after Timmy’s had just drilled what he thought was a Spurs game-winner
#29 – Kareem’s skyhook in Game 6 of the 1974 finals

#28 – MJ’s 63 in the Boston Garden in his second career Playoff game
#27 – Larry Bird’s jersey retirement — Magic wears Boston t-shirt
#26 – Game 2, 1984 Finals: Gerald Henderson steals the ball
#25 – Bernard King vs. Zeke in Game 5 of the 1984 First Round Playoffs: Zeke gets crazy but Bernard averaged over 40 ppg for the series and dunks home a put back to seal the game
#24 – Elgin Baylor drops 61 points in Game 5 1962 NBA Finals (Cs win series)
#23 – Jordan beats Nique in 1985 Slam Dunk (free throw line in Chicago)
#22 – The Streak: Elgin retires on November 5, 1971…and then the Lakers win 33 straight.
#21 – Bird vs. Nique shootout in Game 7 of First Round: Larry scores 20 in the 4th, Nique drops 47 total
#20 – Reggie’s 8 points in 8.9 seconds in MSG
#19 – Bill Russell leads the Celtics to their first Championship in 1957 over the St. Louis Hawks by winning Game 7 in 2 OTs
#18 – Kareem hits a skyhook to score point number 31,420 on April 5, 1984, breaking Wilt’s career record
#17 – Ralph Sampson hits walk-off, turnaround, fadaway, alley-oop, 12-footer to take Houston to the NBA Finals and end the Lakers three-year run of winning the West
#16 – 1962 NBA Finals Game 7 — Celtics vs. Lakers: Cs win their 5th straight title as the Cooz dribbles out the final seconds
#15 – Jordan’s jumper/fist pump over Ehlo’s defense/fetal position curl up

#14 – Magic’s All Star Game return
#13 – Shaq/Kobe Lakers come back against Portland…Kobe lobs to Diesel for the flush and that tremendous Shaq reaction
#12 – NBA Finals Game 6, 1980: Magic plays center and drops 42 as the Lakers beat Philly
#11 – Dr. J’s still-unreal, behind-the-backboard, baseline up-and-under
#10 – Player/Coach Bill Russell wins his 11th ring in his final game over the the Wilt/West/Elgin Lakers in Game 7 in Los Angeles
#9 – MJ’s “Spec-tac-u-lar Move!” (1991 NBA Finals Game 2 in The Forum)
#8 – Magic’s running hook (1988 NBA Finals Game 4 in The Boston Garden)
#7 – Jerry West’s hits a 60′ footer to send the game to OT. Knicks end up winning the game and title (1970 Finals in The Forum)
#6 – Paul Westphal’s timeout and Gar Heard’s turnaround jumper for Phoenix bring Celtics to a 3rd OT. Boston wins game and series. (1976 NBA Finals)
#5 – Wilt’s 100
# 4 – Havlicek steals the ball
#3 – The Clyde Frazier Game.* (1970 Finals Game 7 Knicks vs. Lakers in Madison Square Garden)
#2 – “A steal by Bird…underneath to DJ…he lays it in.” (1988 ECF Game ? Detroit @ Boston)
#1 – MJ’s final shot (in a Bulls uniform)


Wes


>>>The Lakers are deconstructing a team that got them two championships, and
>>>all for a pay cut!! I think they should of gotten rid of Luke Walton before Sasha!!!

uhhhhhhh. Not sure I follow the logic there.

Both Luke and Sasha contributed a little bit. Neither made major contributions to either championship.

You do know that the Showtime Lakers re-tooled between rings as well. Nixon out, Scott in, Wilkes retired, Worthy in, etc., etc.

The key is to keep a core set of top notch players - Kareem/Magic, Kobe/Shaq, Kobe/Pau, with some other really good players who may vary a bit, and with a top notch coach.

>>>That's it. Leave that stuff on the bus.

wesjoemama says I will. :-)

@nathan
I'm sure Buss is glad that Mitch just saved him 9 million dollars.

Plus, the first round pick will be at the very end of the first round, only a few spots before one of the second rounders we picked up.

Also, Sash was never going to get off of the bench AND Smith will help give Pau and Odom some much needed rest.

Looks like a huge win for us.

Don't forget the 5.4 Mil trade exception we got!!

And to elaborate on the poll question, I think it is a good move for the Lakers, but for specific reasons.

1. Sasha wasn't playing much. The rotation of Kobe/Fish/Blake/Brown gets all the guard minutes.

2. Caracter isn't ready and they need to stop over-working Pau. He's been playing too many minutes lately and he had some bad shooting nights to show for it.

3. They retained the ability to make a trade (with the trade exception), while removing the need to pay Sasha's salary & luxury tax. With him being on the bench, his biggest value to the Lakers was as a trade asset, and they still have that.

4. They gave themselves draft flexibility as well. First rounders you have to pay a fixed amount of money and there are all kinds of restrictions on the contracts, and the kids are egotists who think they are worth the max possible or more (e.g. Xavier Henry). Second rounders are happy if they get signed at all and play harder to try to make it. I see a 34th pick as potentially more valuable than a 28th pick. Lakers gave up a late 1st and will get 2 higher 2nd. Could draft a euro player who won't be ready for a year or two, or take a flyer on two more guys like Ebanks or Character.

The only potential drawback is if one of the four Laker guards gets injured. I suppose if Kobe or Shannon gets injured, Barnes may be able to play a little SG, but if Fish or Blake gets hurt, the team will suffer.

I will take Sasha Vujacic over Luke Walton seven days a week and twice on Sundays (LOL). Sasha could irritate players and get under their skin, even if he wasn't scoring. You can count on Sasha's free throws as evidenced in the last championship match. Please I beg you, tell me ONE good thing about Luke Walton if not that he is PJ's son. He can pass the ball?? Oh PPPPLEASE!!! And to trade Sasha for Joe Smith and second round picks is dumb. Luke is the type of player that should have been traded like that. Except, of course, no NBA team would want Luke even for FREE. Luke will be on this Lakers team long after Kobe and Pau get traded.

TRADE LUKE WALTON TRADE LUKE WALTON TRADE LUKE WALTON. WORTHLESS PLAYER

At least Vujacic made two big free throws in Game 7.

Hello one and all, here are my two cents. It is a good scenario financially given the situation right now this is not surprising to us. We've all heard Sasha's name being thrown out there since as long I can remember, around 2008 when the deal happened and heard more around 2009. It is a good trade and we will see it soon, and it is good to see Sasha taking his talents to the meadowlands, the Sasha Farmar fireworks will be popping off over there. He can flourish and develop more. I think he will do well there and good luck for him, players may come and go but I will never forget that last minute against the hated C's, those two clutch shots will be famed forever. As far as Joe Smith he should be less injury prone he's still serviceable as a good role player let him find the open mid-ranger and nail it basically but at least he's a body that Phil Jackson will utilize mostly some inlay pass e.g. Shannon Brown, Barnes it will help us expand our options, he's probably a better shooter than Sasha at this point. I think Joe will mesh in well too, he's smart so he will pick the triangle quickly. The Nets are trying to pull this Carmello deal and they just might, but he's gone from Denver no doubt about this.

LTLF,

Yes, Semih is from Turkey...if I`m not mistaken, the Province of Gaziosmanpasa, but I could be wrong.

BTW, watch this: I want to see if I can get KobeMVP888 to pop something
important ...

"Bynum is moderately important to the Lakers"

Posted by: hobbitmage | December 15, 2010 at 01:53 PM
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hobbit, my main man! What up? What's with all the flip-flopping?

It's too bad. You might actually learn something if you did.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | December 15, 2010 at 12:29 PM

Wow ever since 888 won the reader comment award
his head has been OJ Simpson like.

Posted by: South Beach Talents | December 15, 2010 at 12:51 PM
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I won something? Yippee!! Who were you anyway?

On a more serious note and on topic, when the Lakers celebrate their three-peat in mid-June, people will look back at this trade and say it was a good trade because the Lakers saved themselves a bunch of money.

Just like trading Radmanovic (a Euro shooter who wasn't playing) allowed us the flexibility to try and re-sign Trevor and Lamar the following offseason, trading Sasha (a Euro shooter who wasn't playing) will allow us the flexibility to re-sign Shannon and Matt this upcoming offseason.

Once again kobemvp666 has managed to embroil himself and is now fully tangled right into the thick mess of this drama.. It was supposed to be between utz and ouchhh.. Most of us give our 2cents and walk away but not kobemvp... Where drama goes kobemvp follows and is now intentionally goading oucchhh with more unneeded sarcasm... No surprise there

Posted by: yellofever | December 15, 2010 at 12:42 PM
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Now back to a less serious note. The devil made me do it!

By the way, WHAT was supposed to be between utz and ouchhhhhhh? I thought it was between Lew and ouchhhhhhhhh, but then ouchhhhhhhhh dragged me into it by invoking my moniker. I was sticking up for Lew, a man of strong character, who ouchhhhhh was flinging personal attacks against and, in the process, he attempted to insult me, too. How does utz come into play here? AND WAIT A MINUTE! What are YOU doing sticking YOUR nose into MY business anyway. This is between me and ouchhhhhhh! :)

MM- i missed the game last night...where is the usual "five things to take away" from the lakers' game?

"On a more serious note and on topic, when the Lakers celebrate their three-peat in mid-June, people will look back at this trade and say it was a good trade because the Lakers saved themselves a bunch of money.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | December 15, 2010 at 02:42 PM "

If the Lakers didn't win in June, would you think differently about the trade?

lakerchosen1

MM's on vacation, but if you want to find those 5 things, just sift through ouchhhhhhh's posts. They're bound to be embedded in there somewhere.

If the Lakers didn't win in June, would you think differently about the trade?

Posted by: Bay to LA | December 15, 2010 at 03:00 PM
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No, but Lakers fans will certainly forget about it.

Bay to LA -

"If the Lakers didn't win in June, would you think differently about the trade?"

No. Sasha wasn't contributing anyway. I don't think that Sasha is the difference between a ring and no ring under any circumstances.

From Twitter:

LakersReporter Mike Trudell: Phil Jackson said he told Sasha Vujacic that "He is always going to be family to me." Phil appreciates contribution to 2 titles.

And so should we.

Good move. Save around seven million dollars this year which would come handy when its time to re-up Brown after the season. Also, there is not much difference talent wise from late 1st rounders to 2nd rounders but it does help the wallet.

"Bay to LA -

"If the Lakers didn't win in June, would you think differently about the trade?"

No. Sasha wasn't contributing anyway. I don't think that Sasha is the difference between a ring and no ring under any circumstances.

Posted by: puddle | December 15, 2010 at 03:04 PM
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My beliefs exactly. They're saving 8-9 million by trading away a player they weren't using anyway. It makes sense financially now and in the future. I also think that Jerry Buss would spend what it takes to get things done next off-season regardless of whether or not Sasha had been on his books all year.

That said, good deal for Jerry, irrelevant for the rest of us, unless Joe Smith has a lot more left in his tank than I think he does and actually makes real contributions.

Do you guys even remember when Sasha Vujacic made free throws in Game 7 LA vs BOS? Vujacic helped us seal the deal with those 2 free throws. And now that he's gone it just devestates me dearly.

Do you guys even remember when Sasha Vujacic made free throws in Game 7 LA vs BOS? Vujacic helped us seal the deal with those 2 free throws. And now that he's gone it just devestates me dearly.

Posted by: Karlaa824 | December 15, 2010 at 03:09 PM
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Truthfully, I don't know how he did it with such ease. I was at the game and my central nervous system was rattled to its core and Im just a fan. He came into the game ice cold, but with ice in his veins and then --- swish! swish! Yes, we will never forget Sasha.

Bay to LA

Those are my beliefs as well. My point was simply that this was a money saving deal. For fans who want to look at it as a basketball trade rather than a simple business transaction, a championship will make them forget it if they haven't already done so by then.

How did this turn into a Luke Walton-bashing session? Some of you have short memories. Luke isn't about to crack this rotation, and nobody can do much in 2 mpg playing time, but you can count on him off the bench for things that don't show up in the box score: that first pass that leads to a bucket or a foul, keeping the half-court offense organized, boxing out so the great leapers can get the boards, alert defensive rotations . . . teamwork! Not pretty and not a high fly act, but a pretty good ninth or tenth man.

888 -

I certainly will not forget Sasha's FTs or how he was part of the bench that helped restore the Lakers to national prominence in 2008. Hell, my wife and I name our first cat after Sasha! (Well, actually, it was the only Laker name at the time that worked as a girl's name... we'd probably name her Shannon if we were to re-do it today lol).

Despite all the nostalgia and warm fuzzies those memories offer us, he had simply become dead weight on the bench and in the accounting books. That's why I really like this move.

The only potential drawback is if one of the four Laker guards gets injured. I suppose if Kobe or Shannon gets injured, Barnes may be able to play a little SG, but if Fish or Blake gets hurt, the team will suffer.

Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | December 15, 2010 at 02:15 PM

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If Blake or Fish go down, Kobe and Odom can play point. Odom usually during certain sets plays point already for the Lakers. Say Blake goes down, you'd insert Brown in place of Fish and put the PG duties into Odom's hands for offensive purposes and let Brown guard the opposing players PG for defensive purposes.

"Bay to LA

Those are my beliefs as well. My point was simply that this was a money saving deal. For fans who want to look at it as a basketball trade rather than a simple business transaction, a championship will make them forget it if they haven't already done so by then.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | December 15, 2010 at 03:16 PM "

Indeed, I had initially thought you were speaking in agreement with those people but now I see where you were coming from and I agree.

Some people really will try to use this trade to mean something if the Lakers win or lose this year and I've just never agreed with that line of thinking.


Posted by: KobeMVP888 |
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Truthfully, I don't know how he did it with such ease. I was at the game and my central nervous system was rattled to its core and Im just a fan. He came into the game ice cold, but with ice in his veins and then --- swish! swish! Yes, we will never forget Sasha.

I Completely agree he did it with such ease, he did it very it calmly.You Were At The Game?
Honestly, I was nervous, it was the most intense Finals Game.
But WE did it! Who cares about the big three,we about to 3 peat(:

puddle

We all kept hoping that would return to his 2007-08 form on a consistent basis, but it never happened. Fans who were upset with him were justified. Like you I will not miss Sasha, but I appreciate his contributions and will never forget him.

In one night, the suspect Laker frontcourt removes a lot of the uncertainity. Drew's return went very well. I loved his activity on defense as well as the huge presence he provides in front of the rim. It was only one night, but Andrew seemed to embrace and relish his defensive role. As a result, the entire team was able to play with more energy and efficiency. I'm not saying Drew is a cure-all for everything that was ailing the Lakers, but he brought a different dimension to the team.

And the trade of Sasha was brilliant. Dr. Buss saves some money which may eventually be used to re-sign Brown and Barnes. The Lakers pick up additional front court depth in Joe Smith, a consummate professional who was languishing on the bench for the Nets. Joe Smith is valuable to a team like the Lakers who can use his experience and maturity. He had absolutely no value to the moribund and rebuilding Nets. Trust me, he'll be rejuvenated with a legitimate shot at a ring. And the trade exception the Lakers gained is pretty darned valuable as well.

Will I miss Sasha? Yes and no. He will always be remembered for the positive contributions. Those 2 free throws in Game 7 were HUGE! But Sasha had 7 years in Purple and Gold to prove his value. His career accomplishments can be described as mediocre as best. Interesting personality, but not much of a ballplayer. We thank him for the good times and wish him well.

Can't believe people still talk about trading Luke. Don't you all realize Luke has a hard-earned no-trade clause of his own?

Yup, that right, many believe Kobe is the only player in the league with a no-trade clause, but that isn't exactly accurate.

Luke and a handful of other players (Eddy Curry comes to mind, but at least his deal is expiring), that have "unofficial" no trade clauses. The unofficial no trade clause is reserved for vastly overpaid players with several years remaining on their contracts with no real value to other teams.

Henceforth, these contracts will be known to contain a Walton Clause.

The likelihood of any of these players being traded has greatly diminished with the absence of Isiah Thomas as a General Manager in the league. However, should a GM manage to expunge these unnecessary expenses prior to the final year of these contracts, said GM shall receive a bonus equal to the remainder of the Walton Clause player's remaining contract value plus the value of any luxury tax relief gained. Induction into the Naismith Hall of Fame as a GM is also a foregone conclusion.

I Completely agree he did it with such ease, he did it very it calmly.You Were At The Game?
Honestly, I was nervous, it was the most intense Finals Game.
But WE did it! Who cares about the big three,we about to 3 peat(:

Posted by: Karlaa824 | December 15, 2010 at 03:31 PM
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Karla, YOU have the spirit in fans that I LOVE to see! You are still Basking in the Glory and so am I! Yep, I was there and my clothes were soaked with nervous perspiration, so can you imagine being on the line with the eyes of 19,000 fans staring at you and COUNTING on you, not to mention the millions of others watching on TV around the world? He will ALWAYS have that!

bronxlakerfan

Great post! What up with Yankees' management allowing Cliff Lee to go to the stacked Phillies? I guess The Boss is dead and his sons ain't him. Oh well.

KobeMVP888,

you wrote: hobbit, my main man! What up? What's with all the flip-flopping?

my response:

1. actually, I'm not flip-flopping. Your earlier interpretations were incorrect.

2. You actually read my post, without inserting your own skewed feelings.

Dang!

Justa, where's the percocet?

Karla, YOU have the spirit in fans that I LOVE to see! You are still Basking in the Glory and so am I! Yep, I was there and my clothes were soaked with nervous perspiration, so can you imagine being on the line with the eyes of 19,000 fans staring at you and COUNTING on you, not to mention the millions of others watching on TV around the world? He will ALWAYS have that!

Posted By:KobeMVP888
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* Thank-You(: Yes, Indeed WE are! I Would LOVE to go see a LAKERS game! Especially, A Finals one. I can imagine. Haa' i was one of those watching it on the TV. Yes He Will.

Dirk N. has an "official, legal" no trade-clause.

htj - hahahahahahahahaha! The Walton Clause! I'm never up-to-date on the latest rules; glad someone is.

I didn't earlier, but I now I want to wish Sash all the best in Jersey. I hope he reagains some consistancy with his shot, and really gets some decent minutes there.

We won't forget those two big free throws or the big 20 pointer against the Septics.

I will miss Sash more than Farmar. Sasha seemed to only slip up once with his attitude, but Jordy was always complaining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uahy-ybKBZ0&feature=more_related

Pau Gasol ROCKS...No Gasol...no bling...Yesterday, today and tomorrow...

@63

The Walton Clause - is that a new type of pickled cucumber?

Sasha, should've, would've, could've. I credit him with two GREAT freebies in game 7! I was hoping he would be our Korver, Allen, or Miller. Good luck to him.

i believe that the LA Times is paying Buss, Walton's salary.

if they trade him, how many hits the blog will have?
what the spend with Luke they gain in advertising. Luke pays Mark Medina's and Dan Loumena's salary.

Kobe out shooting Durrant. Don't give me over-the-hill, please.

Pau, does he play every game well? Not always, but 3 Finals and 2 Rings later, I will take him on my team.

Utz and Iuchhhh (it rhymes huh!) have exchanged peace posts so let's leave it as a closed case. Move on and learn something from the incident, both of them got hurt from previous posts. Therefore from hereon, why do we need to be personal in expressing opinions, focus on the subject matter not the messenger.

LTLF, Mitch was on radio this afternoon explaining to Mason and Ireland the trade of Sasha. They need a big man while Sasha understood that he was on the market for several months now. They got a cheap, good veteran who on his way down. He didn't say it that way but that was the message, Joe Smith can be recycled if he plays on cameo appearance to provide a little breather for LO, Artest and Pau. Sasha cannot performed that task because they are already crowded on 1 & 2 positions. Besides that @age 26 he felt he was 35 years old on the bench and if he was not traded, I doubt if there is any team out there who will be interested of his services. At least, being with the Nets he can re-start the machine and also Flushing Meadows where his fiancee, Maria plays would be closer to Brooklyn than LA. Warning to Sasha: Brooklyn fans are harder to please if you don't work out or play 48 minutes. In LA, the fans bitch on the blog while in NY there is the print media that will sign your obituary.

Mitch mentioned about the two 2nd rd draft picks that they got. They traded a high 1st rd but could get it back in form of a low 2nd rd draft pick from GS. Now he didn't mention the trade exception but just the euro player, Sergei L. who may or may not play with the Lakers in the future.

Could u please explain where and how the trade exception will work into this deal? Is it real or part of the LTLF scenarios?

Hey everyone, the live chat will be up around 4 o'clock. I'm still catching up on some things.

ouchhhhhh,

If you want me to take full responsibility for everyone's comments on the blog, that is something you can take up with my superiors. I was not, and have never been, offended by anything said to or about me on this blog. Nor do I attack others in any way, shape or form, be it for their opinion or how they communicate.

As for the ALL CAPS comments I made, I simply pointed out who doesn't like seeing their name in all caps, row after row. Again, I was making an observation about feeding ego (mine) as I got back into the conversation. I was not making any condemnation of your appeal for me to re-engage.

Wow, getting close to game time. Got work to do.

Check you later.

I would like to see Shannon get more PT. He may end up being for us what Sasha wasn't.

I'm thinking that in the future this will be known as 'the Sergei Lishouk trade,' and be remembered as the start of another great Lakers dynasty.

@LEW
I second that! The Spaniard is running low on fuel, but he now has Socks back to re-energize him.

Watch for Pau to be Pau again very soon!

@HTJ and 63
The Walton Clause! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I saw a "Colloseum" reference in the last post.
I'm very confused.
Did we trade for Dick Heckstall-Smith or Joe Smith?

KobeMVP888...

Thanx for the kind words! I think Cliff Lee is a small town type of guy who really enjoyed his experience in Philly. I've heard his wifey is really tight with Philly 2nd baseman Chase Utley's missus. From all indications, the Yanks applied full court pressure on Lee, but he left a lot of their money on the table to return to Philly. You can't win them all. But what makes the Yankees and Lakers fun is that they try to!!

Sascha has the sweetest quick release jumper around, for a guy that didn't have much chance of playing, and he is a scrapper. Unfortunately for him he played for Phil [the best NBA coach ever] and was in his doghouse. And Phil has never developed his young players, which is his only real weakness over the years. Look for Sascha to do quite well in the future.

random lurker - Wh0a! You went DEEP for that musical pun! I'm impressed. We are not worthy!

@htj...

"The Walton Clause". That's pretty darn funny, my friend! And oh so true!

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | December 15, 2010 at 03:57 PM

Edwin, how would you react if someone insulted your deceased mother and insults your sisters...

You can condone your buddy's behavior all you want...but he crossed a line...one I'm sure you would retaliate if it was a aimed at you...

By the way...do you how great Gasol is...

Gasol is GREAT...to deny his greatness is blind...

Like I wrote to Sasha(aka) Vuji It's All About Money & Performance Now I Will Miss Him!!!

"if they trade him (Luke), how many hits the blog will have?
what the spend with Luke they gain in advertising. Luke pays Mark Medina's and Dan Loumena's salary."

~~That's really a wild imagination that qualifies Ouchhhh to be the great painter in reverse, I never imagined Luke plays a great role in the existence of Dan and MM. By all means, they have to protect Luke or else they will be unemployed. That's what you call another assist from Luke to LA Times via ouchhhh.

One other thing about the Sasha move...if in the event of injury to one of the Laker guards, Ebanks may be given Sasha's minutes. I see a little of Scottie Pippen in Ebanks. One man's disappointment is another man's opportunity.

One thing I'd forgotten about Bynum...he sets a real good, tough pick. That's kind of a lost art.

Lewstrs,

No, I don't condone anybody that hurl insults but I don't take his word seriously, Mike T, KL and others lightning rods in the past they have their own style of saying it but if you look closer it is just a defense mechanism on insults they received daily from the majority. It is a free wheeling vitriolic communication on a different frequencies so there is chaotic environment. It's like the traffic in Manila how they manage to travel with disorganized driving habits but believe me, they understand each other. Therefore, the teachable lesson there don't take him seriously but just join his own merry-go-round, tell him when ur personally offended by his jokes. Once you start throwing darts, then we enter into this disorganized chaos that is hard to resolve. Another thing, I don't go for the buddy system or factionalism in the blog. It is enough that we are all Laker fans. There should be only one faction with different shades of colors but the main colors are purple and gold. I get into trouble too, Lew nobody is perfect in the blog. If we ask Ouchhhhh to look at himself on a mirror perhaps, we should all go into self examination whether we are always fair in our comments.

Going back to our Lakers, are we going to win tonight?

Wow, decided to stop by in the minutes before the game (I start them about 45 minutes late on the DVR in order to fast-forward commercials). Feel like I stepped squarely into Kobe's Black Op's commercial.

For a while now there has been so much back-and-forth, especially though the class has grown rowdy while the teacher MM is out.

I never expect blog-utopia, and understand that these skirmishes break out no matter what the blog or topic or content is, but in this case it was WWIII-like for a while there.

Personally I'd like to offer an olive branch to anyone who cares to receive it, I'd like to play my own minor part in helping get this blog back on the right track. I don't want to be part of others staying away because there's a riot going on, not posting or whatnot.

A couple of times in the past week or so I've been catching up reading on the blog and had 2 or 3 comments to respond to, and have totally allowed myself to be diverted into a negative direction. I blame myself for that.

Seeing bronxlakerfan's post above reminded me of something so funny he had me busting a gut from a few days back, something I never responded because I ended up responding to a later post and getting caught up in a childish tit-for-tat.

He had a great post describing his experience attending the Nyets/Lakers game, and mentioned that Marv Albert's toupee was so bad it reminded him of bail of hay sitting on his head. How classic is that.

I'm sorry that I allowed myself to get dragged into the darkside rather than pointing out that Marv Albert's toupee might just lose out to The Donald's mystery-hair (just the front-top, floofy part - his whole head of hair would be at least a weight-classes in front of Marv's toupee - just short of Don King, Marge Simpson and Amy Winehart's doo's).

Anyways, olive branch extended to any and all that choose to make peace, especially now in this holiday period.

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LTLF: Great posts that might have been lost in the crossfire, your explanations about trade exceptions and breakdowns were Eric Pincus-like.

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I don't remember any upcoming game that had zero comments regarding it, even right before gametime...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

 
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