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Phil Jackson not losing any sleep over Lakers' shooting woes

Kobe1 The Lakers used to walk out of their locker room and casually wander into 110 points a night, no problem.

But the last few weeks? Big problem.

They’ve failed to break 100 in seven of their last nine games, the exceptions coming against Sacramento and Washington, teams whose season-long slogans might as well be “Defense = afterthought.”

The Lakers’ shooting has dipped steadily, be it Kobe Bryant or Pau Gasol, who never seem to shoot well on the same night.

On top of it, the Lakers are foundering with a 6-5 road record, well below the 8-1 marks of Western Conference front-runners San Antonio and Dallas.

“I’m really concerned,” Lakers Coach Phil Jackson said Friday, pausing for dramatic effect. “But I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.”

Instead of panicking, the Lakers are waiting.

Waiting for Andrew Bynum to return, waiting for Theo Ratliff to come back, waiting for something to stimulate them on their road to a possible “three-peat.”

Maybe it will be that Dec. 25 game against Miami. Maybe it will be a steady stream of tough road games that starts at the end of this month with a back-to-back in San Antonio and New Orleans. Maybe it will be the return of their two centers, both of whom are recovering from knee surgeries.

In the meantime, the Lakers (16-7) need timelier shooting from Gasol and Bryant to get a victory Sunday over New Jersey (6-17).

Gasol was fine Friday against Chicago, making nine of 15 attempts, but he shot only 38.7% in the six games before that, numbingly low accuracy for him. Bryant had been the opposite, on a four-game average of 50% accuracy before a nine-for-23 effort against Chicago.

Gasol and Bryant haven’t had great shooting efforts in the same game since a Nov. 17 victory in Detroit.

“We’re shooting poorly. That’s a big difference,” Jackson said after the Lakers’ 88-84 loss in Chicago.

“Guys were long, inconsistent. We made one outside shot in the first half. That’s just not a professional response to this game.”

Said Bryant: “It was just an ugly game.”

How’s he doing?

The Lakers will run into a familiar face Sunday against New Jersey.

Former Lakers and UCLA guard Jordan Farmar is averaging 10.4 points and 4.6 assists in his first season with the Nets.

He had some notable games while subbing for injured starter Devin Harris earlier this month, including 28 points and nine assists in a triple-overtime loss to Oklahoma City and a 16-point, 10-assist game against Charlotte.

Farmar, 24, signed a three-year, $12-million deal last July to join the Nets. The Lakers were not interested in keeping him.

He averaged 6.9 points and 2.1 assists in his four-year career with the Lakers.

Good morning

The Lakers play the Nets at 10 a.m. Pacific time Sunday, the first of two games on their six-game trip that start that early.

The Lakers also play at 10 a.m. PST against Toronto a week from Sunday.

The two games are easily the earliest tipoff times for the Lakers this season.

--Mike Bresnahan

Photo: Kobe Bryant soars in for a reverse layup against against Taj Gibson and the Bulls on Friday. Credit: Tannen Maury / EPA

 
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@KEEN OBSERVER… “Bynum is not going to save us. I just don't see how we get out of this funk without making major changes.”

I actually agree 100% with your comment about how we are not going to “get out of this funk without making major changes.” Where our opinions differ is that you do not realize that getting Bynum back will have a greater impact on the Lakers than adding any realistically available player from any other team. There is actually no other player in the entire league that fits the Lakers needs than Andrew Bynum. Ironically, adding Drew to this Lakers team is going to remind us of when we first got Pau. It will be as if the Lakers suddenly signed a 22-year old center who could post 15/10/3 from the D-League.

But you need to realize that Bynum’s value to the team is far greater than anything that shows up in the game box unless you’re counting wins. He transforms the Lakers from a finesse team to a power team. He allows Pau to play his natural power forward position and Lamar to be our 6th man. He gives the Lakers the ability to cover all 48 minutes of every game at the 4 and 5 with a trio of all stars. And he gives the Lakers bench a league best 4-man rotation of Lamar Odom and the Killer B’s. Bottom line, a healthy Andrew Bynum elevates the Lakers from an elite team to a dominant team.

The Lakers might have won in 2009 without Andrew Bynum but the pendulum had already started its swing and in 2010, the Lakers would not have repeated had they not had at least an injured Andrew Bynum. Now in 2011, the pendulum has swung all the way as the rest of the NBA have bulked and bullied up to be able to matchup better against the Lakers. And when those matchups are against Pau Gasol, the Lakers have suddenly realized they now need Andrew Bynum more than ever before in the past.
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TOM


888: Right on. There are a few on the blog that 'get it', you definitely do.

I love it how people get bent out of shape when you correctly point out that the real season starts in late-April. For a team as talented as the Lakers, this is definitely practice season.

I get as upset as the next guy when the Lakers lose, but it's not that they are losing because of a lack of talent, depth or holes in their lineup (well, outside of the center position, thank god that hole is getting filled in shortly) - they simply haven't risen to the level of intensity that their opponents have come with.

Lets face it, to D-Rose this game was like a playoff game in that he had never before beaten the Lakers. To those other teams too, the run-of-the-mill teams, beating the Lakers make their seasons. It's the game that *all* opponents circle on their calendars. The one guaranteed sell-out a year, the one day they can count on their crowd being into it.

The Lakers could probably be 20-3 or something right now if they chose to be (I'll give them a couple of losses because Bynum is out, lol). I'm sure that if a title were awarded on December 12th, the Lakers would have a better record.

As we all know December 12th is just another day of the long season. Well, we all may know that, but many see a November loss as a sure-sign of impending doom.

That's why I love it when you point out these are practice games - which frankly they are to a team as talented and proven as the Lakers. The Lakers have been-there, done-that and don't need to give 110% every night. They know full well what they are capable of.

It takes a reasoned, knowledgeable, grounded, savvy sports fan (since it's pretty much the same in all sports with multiple title-winning teams) to see that these early season games are nothing less than throw-away games.

Perfect timing to get our center back, giving the guys another fresh body and a little excitement to get through the early-season boredom they are battling through...

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LakerTom: "But you need to realize that Bynum’s value to the team is far greater than anything that shows up in the game box unless you’re counting wins. He transforms the Lakers from a finesse team to a power team. He allows Pau to play his natural power forward position and Lamar to be our 6th man. He gives the Lakers the ability to cover all 48 minutes of every game at the 4 and 5 with a trio of all stars. And he gives the Lakers bench a league best 4-man rotation of Lamar Odom and the Killer B’s. Bottom line, a healthy Andrew Bynum elevates the Lakers from an elite team to a dominant team."
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The Lakers miss the physical play that Bynum brings. That is one thing they really need. He alters a lot of opponent shots, and keeps guard penetration to a minimum. He distracts most bigs, is very nice at boxing out, and tips a lot of rebounds to teammates. Basically, he controls the paint in a way Pau cannot do as he is a different breed of player, not the true post player that Drew is. These are things that are plain as day lacking right now.

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Some fools (that will go nameless...) bring up stats regarding Laker players.

No Laker will put up the numbers on the deep and skilled team the Lakers are as opposed to being a more featured, prominent player of a lesser team.

Bringing up old stats from a particular game or series and relate it to other players on other teams (in which those players are sometimes the only star) really is missing the big-picture, or just lacking in smarts. Obviously, the Lakers have a lot of talent and depth, no single player will be putting up the numbers as compared to other teams with less goto guys and depth.

I just had to add that as certain people get fixated on stats and use them as a way to bludgeon Laker players without acknowledging that the Lakers are a deep team when fully healthy and aren't going to be putting up fantasy-league leading numbers simply because of the glut of talent the Lakers possess...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

The Lakers have to start winning regular season games again; home court advantage in the playoffs is a big concern, the last two years they had it and won, the year before that they didn't and were blown out of Boston in a ridiculous game six rout.

They can't win it again without HCA and better not hope they can back into it like they did the last two seasons, so coach Jackson better coach up a little Zen on the fellas.

Plain fact is the refs won't give them 20 more free throws than their opponent like they did in game 7 last June if the Lakers are on the road; they must have HCA.

Nice. I love that this thread has started out with two thoroughly enjoyable, well reasoned posts by two smart, experienced Lakers fans who simply "get it." Great reads, LT and CCX!

1-2-3 RING! #17 coming up STRONG!!

“I’m really concerned,” Lakers Coach Phil Jackson said Friday, pausing for dramatic effect. “But I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.”

Instead of panicking, the Lakers are waiting.

Waiting for Andrew Bynum to return, waiting for Theo Ratliff to come back, waiting for something to stimulate them on their road to a possible “three-peat.”

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Like we've said before: no need to panic. we're just waiting for the entire roster to get healthy again before truly evaluating what this team can do & that will be determined well before the trade deadline. Not that any moves are imminent, but it's something that is out there. After all, they have Sasha's expiring contract. In any case, all that matters is that we get into the playoffs healthy, dispatch the contenders and destroy the ECC in the Finals! It’s all about the 3-Peat and if Phil isn’t “…going to lose any sleep over it,” then neither am I.

Jolly Joe

"They can't win it again without HCA ..."
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HCA PERSPECTIVE; THE IMPORTANCE OF OWNING THE BEST RECORD IN THE NBA

Over the past 20 years the team who owned the best record in the NBA has won the Larry O'Brien Trophy ONLY 8 times. On 3 of those occasions, the team that won TIED for the best record and on at least one of those occasions (the 1997-98 Bulls), played the team they tied for the best record (the Jazz). However, the Bulls did NOT have HCA against the Jazz and won their second three-peat despite the lack of HCA. The Bulls' head coach, by the way, was Phil Jackson.

When you factor in that: 1) Phil Jackson is the Lakers coach and knows something about three-peats, 2) that the team he is coaching has been to three consecutive NBA Finals and knows just a little bit about championship mettle and what it takes to win on the road in the playoffs (see Game 4 and Game 5 in Orlando in 2009 as a small sample), and 3) that the Lakers have added depth and could very well be a team better poised for the playoffs given a potentially healthier Kobe, a healthy Bynum, an improved Shannon Brown, a motivated Odom, etc, etc , etc, I believe a statement like "They can't win it again without HCA ..." is not only a bit paranoid, but it is not well informed. Clearly this is based purely on 2008 flashbacks and an absurd assumption that we would have lost in 2010 if we did not have HCA.

Sorry, but I just don't buy it. IN a 7 game series, only the Lakers can beat the Lakers and you should know that by now. They're in a shooting slump. Big deal.

888: "I believe a statement like "They can't win it again without HCA ..." is not only a bit paranoid, but it is not well informed. Clearly this is based purely on 2008 flashbacks and an absurd assumption that we would have lost in 2010 if we did not have HCA.
Sorry, but I just don't buy it. IN a 7 game series, only the Lakers can beat the Lakers and you should know that by now. They're in a shooting slump. Big deal."
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Much like a vampire that keeps raising it's head from it's tomb of darkness, HCA fixation has become the fret du jour of the half-empty club.

Luckily we have 888 on the job to expertly drive a wooden stake squarely through its heart.

Unfortunately, such as the nature of these ghouls and fiends, they continue to rise up and show their heads.

frmkt: "Like we've said before: no need to panic. we're just waiting for the entire roster to get healthy again before truly evaluating what this team can do & that will be determined well before the trade deadline. After all, they have Sasha's expiring contract. In any case, all that matters is that we get into the playoffs healthy, dispatch the contenders and destroy the ECC in the Finals! It’s all about the 3-Peat and if Phil isn’t “…going to lose any sleep over it,” then neither am I."

Very well said, somewhere another vampire bites the dust.

I just fear that like in the excellent John Carpenter flick Vampires, there are so many lurking in the shadows that it will take a full-on team of vampire hunters to fight them all off and send them to their fiery dooms...

Sign me up.


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

CCX is on fire...I'm glad he is manning the wall today...

With you on the look out...I can safely sleep in my bed...my fanhood intact....

devin harris is still gametime decision and unlikely to start...

oh boy am i lookin forward to:

jordan farmar vs derek fisher

not the main event but a very intriguing feature matchup.

leeeeeeeets get ready to rumbleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

The Lakers look absolutely bored right now. They toy with their opponents, blowing big leads, only to make it interesting down the stretch. This will not be a problem when April, May, and June. Andrew is a sleeping giant (cliche eh?), and Mitch may have a little move up his sleeve with the expiring contracts. All in all, the shooting, defense, or whatever that is not clicking right now, is more a result of "cruise control" than an uncorrectable problem.

It's too bad the Lakers let MBenga go and replace him with aging Ratliff. Seriously - replace a young hard body with aging creaky knees. How's that working out?

Lets recall MBenga was part of two championship teams - not that he did anything specifically that helped, but he was there and part of it so something must have been working. THis I do know - he could defend the rim and played with a lot of energy. Caracter does not seem to be able to stay on the court - MBenga could. That's all they need - someone to be able to stay on the damn court to relieve Pau. MBenga could have handled that. It is the small parts that play a big role (excluding Luke Walton).

Dallas, Miami, Spurs ALL LOOK GOOD. It is a much deeper field this year. Margin of error is small.

Don't rag on me for calling for MBenga. Remember all the posts suggesting Bynum for Bosh? Fisher for Hienrich (who looks awful in WSH). This is a "train forming idea". Get MBenga - you'll be glad you did.

AhA! Here's our boy.

http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2450

Playing 8 minutes a game for NO. PERFECT! That is all that is needed here. Pau playing 40 a game instead of 45 (with Caracter playing 3) would be a HUGE difference.

Lakers took care of Kobe's HUGE contract, but did not attend to the little things. Teams need big things and little things, just like armies need Generals and grunts. I hope this Ratliff thing works out, I really do. but imagine if it does not. THen what?

Didn't have to be this way folks!

kensey

good point. besides being a FAN favorite, Mbenga had MORE Character than Caracter. and more skills or should i say INTANGIBLES.

my "armchair psychoanalyst guess" is that Gassy complained about Mbenga that he is too ROUGH in practice, so PJ had to mAGREE with his favorite player.

we know that by NOW, that there is a long HIS-TORY of PJ sending players packing if they don't READ his ZEN books.

really, Caracter, a big fat donout that has no "sprinkles" at all. he walks and gets blocked on every possesion. and DEFENSIVELY, he does not do the work. what was Kup-cake thinking when he signed him????????????????

or E-Banks - i know - the Ariza look-a-like - buyers remorse after the Davis Lee - Bynum/Ariza non/signing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE ANTI-TOP FIVE LIST & THE MUSHY TOP FIVE LIST
which list would you rather be on?

THE ANTI-TOP FIVE LIST
politically correct or mushy love comments never considered

#5. common everyone dont let dfish get all the love tonite... dont forget LUKE's horrifying and most atrocious 5 minutes of any laker tonite that completely changed the WHOLE MOMENTUM OF THE GAME. i'm gonna have to go back to the game tapes and break it down play by play if i have to.
Posted by: yellofever | December 10, 2010 at 09:52 PM


#4. Fisher in 30 minutes tonight had 1 assist. Oh yeah he is very integral to the triangle offense. He walks over half court and passes to a wide open man. What passing skills !!!
Posted by: S Perkins | December 11, 2010 at 01:41 AM
.... Fact for all you Fisher lovers. The great Derek Fisher has 3 3 pointers in his last 10 games. Oh I guess that is part of the triangle for Fisher to make as little 3 pointers as possible.
Posted by: S Perkins


#3. good defense??????
Gassy finished with 1 foul
LO finished with 2
and Rose was waltzing in the lane with up and unders! INTANGIBLES.
saving the fouls for retirement?! or the Play-OFFs.
or just FINESSE.
Posted by: ouchhhhhhhh | December 11, 2010 at 11:31 AM


#2. I WOULD ASK IF PJ AND STAFF EVER WATCH PREVIOUS GAME VIDEO TO AT LEAST TAKE SOMETHING AWAY FROM LOSSES? IT IS CLEAR AFTER WATCHING HOURS AND HOURS OF VIDEO SPECIFICALLY THE LAKERS ON DEFENSE. THE LAKERS HAVE GIVEN UP TONS AND TONS OF POINTS WHEN THE DEFENSE BREAKS DOWN. THIS OCCURRS WHEN MAINLY PAU GETS SUCKED OUT OF THE PLAY BY TRYING TO BECOME A HIGH POST OR PERIMETER DEFENDER. USUALLY THE OPPOSITION WINDS UP WITH TWO SOMETIMES THREE LANES TO A WIDE OPEN BASKET FOR EITHER AN UNCONTESTED LAY-UP OR DUNK. IN THESE SITUATIONS, IT'S NOT JUST THE 8-14 POINTS PER GAME THEY GIVE UP BUT THOSE TYPES OF BASKESTS DE-MORALIZE A TEAM! PJ AND STAFF WAKE UP AND LOOK AT YOUR PREVIOUS LOSES. IT'S AMAZING!!!S
Posted by: a rod | December 11, 2010 at 11:59 AM

#1. "They got physical with him and Pau got disconcerted," Jackson said. "He started worrying about whether he was getting fouled or not. It changed how he played."
Posted by: Tom | December 10, 2010 at 10:32 PM
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Pau got disconcerted," Jackson said
Pau got disconcerted," Jackson said
Pau got disconcerted," Jackson said
did he mean SCARED or SOFT??????????
SCARED
SOFT
SCARED
SOFT
both, SCARED and SOFT.
Did i mentioned that PJ said that Pau got disconcerted???????????????
Posted by: ouchhhhhhhh | December 11, 2010 at 11:36 AM



THE MUSHY TOP FIVE LIST
It's all about the mushy love

I'm just dedicating this section to Laker Tom

LT’S RCOD’S !!!
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“Andrew would be enough to turn these close losses into wins. Any kind of quality minutes from him would be minutes Pau could rest. Rotations change, all is well.” –Vman.
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“Tell me a team out there who wouldn't LOVE to be in the Lakers shoes now, being the champion for two consecutive years? Believe me folks, teams are WARY of the Lakers come playoff time, especially when they are at FULL STRENGTH!...” –Let's Go L's!
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“Count me as not worried. Once we have Bynum back, we will have all the pieces we need to defend our title on a nightly basis.” –DwnTwnAtty.
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“Bynum can't come back fast enough. The Lakers are so thin up front. They only really have one guy who can play center, and he's a forward. Behind Pau and Lamar they have nobody. And Pau and Lamar are both thin guys, there is no bulk up front. It's tough to go 48 minutes with that kind of depth up front.” –Tom Daniels.
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“Regardless of the quality of the opponent, the Lakers are always the team to beat. If Gasol, Bynum and Odom are healthy (or are at least out there sharing minutes), no team can beat us in a 7 game series. Only the Lakers can beat the Lakers.” –KobeMVP888.
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“What kind of jerk are you...apparently you had a poor education, for you don't know how to be a fan...A Laker fan is one who would support his team, not one who continually comes and insults it's players, coaching staff, and front office...I have never seen you once post anything remotely positive about this team...you are nothing but a ball of criticism and negativety on the blog and chats...So please be honest...you are not a Laker fan, but a Laker hater who thinks he is clever in his posts of toxic remarks...Hey you're not funny...The only thing funny about you is, how in your mind, you think you are a Laker fan...” –Lewsters.
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TOM

Posted by: LakerTom

Isn't it amazing when the Lakers were winning most everyone were saying to trade Bynum. I was one of the few persons who saw this as absurd realizing without Bynum the Lakers would not have won the last ring. Now most everyone with sense realize that as talented as Gasol is he still has a bit of the cowardly lion in him. Phil didn't help Gasol when he made excuse about Bynum being absent. He should have challenged him to play better that's what Doc, Sloan etc would have done. When a key component goes down you have to man up!!. Excuses are for girls man. Boston is playing without West, Perkins and the two O'neals. Rondo missed several games and yet they have the best record in the East. Miami is missing Mike miller and Haslem and yet they are on a 10 game winning streak. Bynum return will not immediately address the Lakers problems. Our problems include the Lakers right now having no heart, no identity, no toughness and no testicles. Our immortal guard needs to step up in our darkest hour now. He needs to run the offense and set the defensive tone for his mere mortal teammates. Jacking up 25 shots a night will not get it done. Getting about 8 assists a night with about 8 boards is the right prescription. Call that players only meeting and be the vocal and inspirational leader in that locker room. Stop worrying about passing the all time greats on the scoring list and focus on improving the team standing. Let's get it done Kobe Bryant.

Last year Kobe missed several games but the Lakers bonded together and went on a winning streak and almost beat Boston. Now if we could do that while missing the best player since Jordan why can't we do it now when missing a talented but no all star player. That is why I put the onus on Kobe to set the tone. Did magic make excuse in the Finals against Philly went Kareem went down? No he stepped up his game and won the ring. Great players step up and bring their less talented players along Kobe not be silent as a mouse while we can't beat a talented team since the season began and mostly struggle against bottom feeders. Kobe your intensity and focus is legendary but still far short of MJ. Kobe you must do the things that are the hardest for you to do right now. Scoring comes easily for you. However, letting your teammates now how important they are to the Lakers to be successful is hard. Shooting from the corner while being double teamed is easy but making the good pass is hard. Being silent while Fisher talks to the team is easy but being the vocal and challenging leader is hard. No way jordan would have just accept a 4 game losing streak and barely beating the clippers. Jordan was so intens he used to slap Bj Armstrong, Will Perdue etc in their heads if they were doing sheet. This is on you Kobe.

Stop worrying about passing the all time greats on the scoring list and focus on improving the team standing. Let's get it done Kobe Bryant.

Posted by: island priest | December 12, 2010 at 01:39 AM

the sharks smell a Kobe hater - they surrounded the island


It becomes harder and harder to justify defending decisions that the Lakers, including coaching and management make this year, nevermind the absurdity we watch on the court for the past 3 weeks!


Of course we don't need to have practice, when we are shooting lights out FGA! Of course no need to work in another practice when Bynum states quite clearly he needs X number of additional practice sessions before he is willing to attempt to hit the court, since we are SOOOOO deep at the 5.


Pau is dead on his feet and still has no 'base' to play the 5. Kobe is shooting as poor as I have ever seen him shoot, in form and elevation. LO is demoralized seeing his great games go to naught when all he hears is he is back to the bench when the 'savior' AB decides to dip his toes on the court! The massive amount of disarray we see nightly from the Lakers is a product of not practicing together. This has been the case since our absurd, 'Angel of Stearn' nonsensical preseason. The Lakers have not had a training camp, and because everyone is worn down due to whatever is going on at the 5 on the Lakers ('no need for a short term 5 when we have 2 perfectly good 5s under contract' - MK's position! Yikes!) the whole league now knows they can once again push the Lakers around. This can be seen when they go to the rim and the refs are swallowing their whistles this year. Kobe is about 3 more non-calls from blowing up and getting tossed from hitting a ref for no-calls, And what is this new style of playing below the rim!? I grimace when anybody goes to the rim lately, namely, Fish, Ron, Kobe, even Pau, because the opposing 5 is drooling waiting to add to his blocked shot stats!


"We don't need no stinkin' practice!" Seems to be Phils approach to at least trying to rest Pau/Kobe, but the lack of practice is killing the actual game execution on both ends of the court.


All the punditry and the Lakers in general are delusional to keep saying none of this matters, since we only play for June. We will be playing without HCA through however many rounds we can manage based on our preposterous habits and the piling up of losses we get into in Nov/Dec. - and certainly not get to June, let alone late May!!!


You never know which Laker team will show up for these "easy" games, as if there are any easy games when the highlight of every other team is to put a spanking on the Lake Show. And now that they see the Lakers are quite willing to hand them the game without much resistance, they are energized to do just that! You don't see anything close to this attitude from the SAS, BOS, DAL, UTA teams right now. They are in killer mode. Something we grew to expect from the Lakers but is now a distant memory.


OK, so my point is that the Lakers ought to be practicing every day they do not have a game. Ever hear of a "shooting practice"!!??


I now am in the camp of PJ getting out of Dodge ASAP, as his effectiveness has long lapsed. I don't see any fire from him anymore, nor any sense to his moves during games. His obstinance for the timeout to disrupt the flow of the ON-FIRE opponents has reached absurd proportions this year. And when we do have one of those timeouts, the Lakers' play following is puzzling to say the least.


I hate that in appears we are wasting one more HOF (and very realistically a championship - prior to the start of the season) year in the career of Kobe Bryant with what seem to be preposterous positions by management and PJ!


My ulcer meds are running thin these days, and no, I am not a hater, nor an ignorant blogger yelling 'the sky is falling' for no good reason. The darn sky is in my backyard squashing my pets and trees, if you who are delusional have not looked outside lately!

Dan Loumena

with all the respect, because u r a Blazers homer and u worry aboput lakers vs. Nyets, i have to remind u about Kobe's game against Outlaw, Udoka, or my favorite Toy Boy, ROYYYYYYYYY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpWAyV-S7P0

The Lakers' lousy play this season reminds me of...the Lakers lousy play at the end of last season. You know, just before they ripped through everybody in the playoffs to win their 16th title.

And I vaguely remember that the really, really hot team last year...that would be Cleveland...the team that everyone was saying was destined to finally win it all...ummmm...never even made it to the Finals.

Funny now that works, eh? Regular season, playoff season. I suppose it helps to have a guy who probably understands that difference better than anybody else on the planet. I mean, if you're going to count rings on fingers and toes rather than number of blog posts as your criteria.

The Lakers had an easy run to the finals last season. No one wants to admit it but it's the truth. We had an inexperienced OKC team, a short Utah team and a no defense PHX team. This year might be more brutal and challenging and HCA would be nice. Ouhhhhhh you show a level of immaturity when because I criticize Kobe I am a Kobe hater. That is absurd. I don't know if you have children or supervise persons because if yo do I am sure at some point you will have to give constructive criticism. So according to your logic when I do that I hate my children or my subordinates? Come on man, let us raise the level of debate. Besides do you remember when the Lakers played Memphis last year and Kobe was couple points behind somebody on the list? Kobe took LA completely out of the game to the point his very own teammate Pau said he was glad Kobe got the accomplishment and now the Lakers can refocus on playing winning basketball again. I am not saying that Kobe is the cause for our malaise but he must lead us out of it. Who much is given much is expected. Kobe is my dawg but he is not above criticism.

Bynum return will not immediately address the Lakers problems. Our problems include the Lakers right now having no heart, no identity, no toughness and no testicles.


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Island... what you fail to realize is the Lakers are terribly thin up front and it's caused Pau and Odom to play far too many minutes. They're exhausted. Constantly playing against more physical players that are centers is putting wear on Gasol and when he's worn, guess who has to abort the triangle and carry the team? Kobe.

When Bynum gets back, it means more rest for Gasol. More rest for Gasol means better play from him and also the rest Odom gets from Gasol playing PF means he'll play better. Better play overall in the front court means that Kobe can play more in the context of the triangle and won't have to shoulder the team. That means better ball movement, better overall production from other players and so on. So yes, when Bynum gets back it will do the job. There is a difference between being able to play hard and play with energy and all, and not having the energy to play hard at all. The Lakers are sapped.

Last year Kobe missed several games but the Lakers bonded together and went on a winning streak and almost beat Boston. Now if we could do that while missing the best player since Jordan why can't we do it now when missing a talented but no all star player. That is why I put the onus on Kobe to set the tone. Did magic make excuse in the Finals against Philly went Kareem went down? No he stepped up his game and won the ring. Great players step up and bring their less talented players along Kobe not be silent as a mouse while we can't beat a talented team since the season began and mostly struggle against bottom feeders. Kobe your intensity and focus is legendary but still far short of MJ. Kobe you must do the things that are the hardest for you to do right now. Scoring comes easily for you. However, letting your teammates now how important they are to the Lakers to be successful is hard. Shooting from the corner while being double teamed is easy but making the good pass is hard. Being silent while Fisher talks to the team is easy but being the vocal and challenging leader is hard. No way jordan would have just accept a 4 game losing streak and barely beating the clippers. Jordan was so intens he used to slap Bj Armstrong, Will Perdue etc in their heads if they were doing sheet. This is on you Kobe.

Posted by: island priest | December 12, 2010 at 02:09 AM

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Kobe is doing something that Jordan didn't have to deal with... offseason knee surgery he's yet to fully recover form, an arthritic finger and a depleted front like that's exhausted all at the same time. Kobe's also thus far has had a longer career then Jordan. Jordan took nearly 2 years off to play baseball. You realize this is Kobe's 15th season and Jordan only played 14 right? Also most by any Laker.

HCA PERSPECTIVE; THE IMPORTANCE OF OWNING THE BEST RECORD IN THE NBA

Over the past 20 years the team who owned the best record in the NBA has won the Larry O'Brien Trophy ONLY 8 times. On 3 of those occasions, the team that won TIED for the best record and on at least one of those occasions (the 1997-98 Bulls), played the team they tied for the best record (the Jazz).

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | December 11, 2010 at 08:58 PM

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While what you wrote is correct, as we all know the Lakers don't play just make the playoffs, as Jon K says, we play for rings!

So perhaps the HCA of just the Finals winners should be looked at.

"A closer look shows that over the last 24 years, teams playing Games 1 & 2 plus Games 6 & 7 at home are 45-19 or .703 percent.

However, teams without the home court edge in the Finals have seen their win percentage drop when playing three straight at home.

Pointing out the disadvantage of this format even more to the team without the home court advantage is this. Of the six teams which have won the title since 1985 without the home court edge in the Finals (the 1985 Lakers, the 1993 Bulls, the 1995 Rockets, the 1998 Bulls, the 2004 Pistons and the 2006 Miami Heat), history shows that those teams won not so much as a result of them winning their home games but rather by them being able to win their road games."

http://www.vegasexperts.com/articles/Handicapping_Articles/Larry_Ness/20090602-NBA-Basketball.asp

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So, since 1985 only 6 teams without HCA have won the Finals and they were very good at winning their road games.

Yes, I agree it's still early, but so far the Lakers are not very good at winning road games.

I just think it's relevant to keep things in perspective with regards to the importance of HCA.

FTR, I am not saying the Lakers cannot win without HCA. I am saying I don't know if they can this year, not from what we have seen so far.

This is still a difficult team to evaluate because they haven't played the tough teams yet and maybe they will rise to the ocassion and maybe Bynum does make all the difference.

But I don't think it's right to try and downplay the importance of HCA and mock those who show a concern about not having HCA, especially for the Finals, when the evidence clearly shows the team with HCA usually wins.

island priest

please don't get carried away.

u do not make sense. u R ACCUSING KOBE of his personal quest on the scoring list

let's take it 1 by 1

all the players from 1-10 on the scoring list are dead/ or RETIRED. so DEAD for BB or for more scoring

EXCEPT SNAQ

even if KOBE plays miserable and scores 15 points a game he will get easily to 5-6th position by the end of his career.

considering that his average this year is 26.4 or going to his career average of 25.3. HE WILL PASS 5 MORE POLAYERS by the end of the YEAR.

got IT??????????????

he DOES NOT need TO WORRY ABOUT SCORING

it is by DEFAULT (of course if he does not get injured)

it's like driving on the highway with 5 miles /hour while the other cars are stopped/parked on the SHOULDER

so making/accusing KOBE of PURSUING his total scoring points vs. HIS-STORY, i find it simplistic, pathetic, naive and IGNORANT?

please stop this meme. even Lakers fans who don't like KOBE should give up on this type of NON-SENSE

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and please don't remind me of the memphis game when:

Gassy played as a rag doll, his 7th terrible game on that road trip.

after not blocking out in Clevaland,

after making 2 terrible passes in the Toronto game , one to Farmy, when he was wide OPEN, BY HIMSELF in front of the hoop, but scared.

when he came out with the TOUCHES speech. and Fishy approved him.

when Kobe passed West; but if they win the game, PJ will tie or pass (don't remember exactly) Riley for the winningest coach in Lakers History

when at the end of the GAME, PJ inserted LUUUUUUUUUUUUKE to make the worst pass ever seen in BB history to set up a buzzer beating shot (he bounced it of the floor BEHIND kobe)

when next day, our great Jon K said that HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT INDIVIDUAL STATS, but later during the playoffs he terrorized MM to tell him How Many 3 Pointers FISHYYYYYYYY needs in the playoffs toi tie MJ

i love this selective memory from the REAL LAKERS FANS, especially against Kobe who is the franchise player and was with the Lakers for 15!!!!!!!!!!! years. thanks for all your gratitude.

take Pau-la with you on the island and teach him beach volleyball.
he won't have contact.
and won't get tired.

obviously Kobe is not your dog.

now the poetic justice for many Kobe haters and Shaq lovers is the following:

by the end of the year, Kobe will be behind Shaq on the total point scoring list. maybe shaq retires or plays one more year. IT IS IRRELEVANT, because in max 2 years, Kobe will pass Snaq on the scoring list

and, FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE, Snaq will be BEHIND and everytime he looks UP the list, he will have to remember how Kobe's behind taste.

EVERYTIME HE WANTS TO BRAG HOW DOMINANT HE WAS. what a foul smell. not Kobe's behind. the bitterness in Snaq's mouth.

now take that to the bank. and Snaq is aware of it. yes, he wanted to play more to pass Moses Malone, but he forgot about his "LITTLE BROTHER".

now that's sweet. much sweeter than a 98% chocolate bar with cocoa from Madagascar.


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SOMEBODY TELL ME THIS AINT THE GOAT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WyxuIECEaM&feature=related

The Lakers are clearly struggling. losing game sthey shouldn't lose, playing with very little focus. I see two things affecting the Lakers right now:


1) They don't have a true center on the active roster and they are very thin up front. Pau and Lamar are very gifted, but neither has the body of NBA center (strength vs. length) and there is no one behind them.


2) They have been to the finals three years in a row. They live for the playoffs now, and they need a motivator. This long run of games against (mostly) the middle and bottom of the NBA has not awakened the Beast. Boston. Miami. San Antonio. Those are teams that will get the Lakers' juices flowing. The Lakers have been going through the motions. Pau is trying to pace himself. Kobe is feeling his way back from injuries. Artest's brain is elsewhere.


Drew comes back Tuesday and late December has some real challenges. It is time NOW for the Lakers to start to take this season seriously. They have played horribly of late, but they are still the Lakers. with a full, healthy roster and some proper motivation, they can get out of this funk and start winning again.


It's a long and bumpy road to a a three-peat.

PLEASE! PLEASE! SOMEBODY TELL ME THIS IS NOT THE GOAT!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zNYr0YrlYY&feature=related

SWEET JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np8cTNvvY5s&feature=related

Drew comes back Tuesday and late December has some real challenges. It is time NOW for the Lakers to start to take this season seriously. They have played horribly of late, but they are still the Lakers. with a full, healthy roster and some proper motivation, they can get out of this funk and start winning again.It's a long and bumpy road to a a three-peat. Posted by: Tom Daniels | December 12, 2010 at 07:02 AM
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Yes I have to say it...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!!!!! Carry On!!!!

Ouchhhhhhhhhhhh - I think Shaq made his peace with "Ghost of Kobe past". I am visiting in family Boston, locals love Shaq. they still talk about that statue bit he did in Harvard square with gleam in their eyes. Oh - they also feel pretty good about Septic team. I have to admit, that in a Miami-Septic playoff matchup, I'd have to root for them thar Greenies! Situation where I'd root Septics?? Wow - strange world!

good morning, Lakers all day, all night-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDWyx4s-GKE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afugvilArOM

enjoy the game & the rest of the day-

Yes MS very appropriate sir. Thank you!! Carry On!

Tom Daniels

#1 is the 800 pound gorilla. Pau runnin on empty and the rotation shortened is undoubtedly most of the story.

Other than that, why this team is underachieving is as vague as a Phil Jackson interview.

The Bulls were definitely on their radar. It's Mike's house. There was enough motivation to bring out their best. They couldn't sustain their best and Rose could.

Give Pau some rest, a center, and things will align. Interesting that Kobe hasn't tried to do more in this scoring slump. We know he's one man that isn't waitin' on April. It's mature, maybe in the good and not so good sense.

Good morning Lakers fans!

Mamba24, thanks for the roll call. Much better than my extremely loud alarm clock this morning.

I'm (somewhat) awake and I'll be activating the live chat within a few minutes, probably 9:45 to 9:50 at the latest.

Chat with whomever over there.

Who said we need to make major changes? This is the core that won back to back ships inmproved the bench except for Theo and getting back our starting center real soon. The only major changes we need to make are some less than loyal fans. Go cheer for another team if you don't like the Lakers.


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