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Lakers visit with President Obama, spend time with local Boys and Girls Club

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Kobe Bryant has spent time with President Obama several times over the last year. Bryant was even a part of a contingent of NBA players who played a pick-up basketball game with the president last summer.

Still, when the Lakers visited with Obama at a local Boys and Girls Club in the Washington area Monday -- part of a ceremony for winning back-to-back championships -- Bryant still was in awe.

Bryant talked about how "extremely competitive" Obama is. Every one knows how competitive Bryant is, so that's something the two have in common.

"The cool thing about going to the White House is to be able to talk with people that work with him and have been around him and they talk about his resiliency and always having a positive attitude no matter what," Bryant said. "[He says], 'You are going to have setbacks, but we're still going to get to where we need to go. Even though we're going through this, ultimately we'll get there.'  I think that's  one of the characteristics that I admire the most about him."

Last year, the Lakers visited the White House after they won the championship. This time, the Lakers visited a Boys and Girls Club along with President Obama in the area as part of NBA Cares.

About 20 kids got to sit with the Lakers, who helped them write letters and put care packages together for wounded servicemen and women at Walter Reed Hospital.

Obama joked that Bryant and Derek Fisher, who have won five NBA titles with the Lakers, have been to the White House so many times after winning a championship that "they give tours themselves. And the same for Coach [Phil] Jackson," who has won 11 NBA titles as a coach.

"On the court, not too many people can do what the Los Angeles Lakers can do," Obama said.

Obama congratulated Jackson on winning his 11th NBA championship, and fifth with the Lakers.

Obama then added that "I should point out that it's still one behind the six [championships] he won the with Chicago Bulls."

Obama is a Chicago sports fan.

"Kobe said not for long," Obama said, laughing.

Obama said it has been a "long drought" since the Bulls last won an NBA championship in 1998, but he did say "as you witnessed on Friday, that my Bulls are showing some signs of life."

The Bulls defeated the Lakers in Chicago Friday night.

"I just want to congratulate all the Lakers for being one of the outstanding sports franchises in our country in our history," Obama said.

Jackson said he had some words for Obama when they met before the ceremony.

"I congratulated him on his latest compromise," Jackson said. "I told him that he's a left-hander and he should know that you have to go right to shoot. But he hit a three-pointer this time."

Jackson was referring to the tax cuts Obama has proposed.

Photo gallery: Lakers visit President Obama.

-- Broderick Turner in Washington

Photo: President Obama with the Lakers. Credit: Evan Vucci, Associated Press.

 

 
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/540161-nba-power-rankings-the-50-best-centers-in-nba-history#page/1

Sadly, Bynum is not considered one of the best 50 centers of all time.
Neither is Pau.

Let the stoning commence!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/534929-pau-gasol-and-the-10-best-los-angeles-lakers-big-men-of-all-time#page/1

Crap, Bynum missed another poll.

"Hangin' is too good for 'em. Burnin's too good for 'em. They ought to be
torn into itsy bitsy pieces and buried alive! "

News of Andrew's return is very encouraging indeed. Sounds like he's eager to get back on the court. I can't wait! He is not a saviour, but a very important ingredient in the mix.

Sadly, some fans get more joy out of trashing the very players who helped the team win back-to-back championships than they do in acknowledging the contributions of those players.

Gary Vitti is a dwarf.

hobbit - are you happy Drew's coming back?

So, is it true there's some video footage from today of Kobe & Mr. Pres going one-on-one, where Kobe posted up Obama, who hacked Kobe on a head-fake, then the Mamba pivoted under (got an elbow across the face for it), then jumped past Obama, which alerted the Secret Service agents, who drew and fired four shots into Kobe, who still made the finger-roll, and... everyone together: Kobe got no "and 1" from the refs!

I swear, what does it take for Kobe to get a call?

hobbitmage, you have issues. Do you get off on antagonizing and berating our players?


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

@hobbitmage - Pau is considered a power forward, check the All Star ballot, he's only playing center because all of ours have flat tires. I will acknowledge that there are some borderline 4/5 players...but each one of those guys is listed as cneter first, PF second. For Pau it's the opposite.


@kobeMVP888 - hobbitmage has gone to great lengths to shed light on the fact that he A) Wants to see Bynum succeed as a Laker and B) Acknowledges his contributions last year as well as years prior. However, he does seemingly take a large amount of joy from fact-checking and researching. Like a scholar in a musty tomb, he looks for hidden gems of truth. These gems happen to be opinions and as such will unwaveringly be flawed in some way be it cut or luster. As with all of us, we have our quirks. Our hobbitmage is quite vocal and like Tom Petty, won't back down.


In my opinion by the end of his Laker journey Bynum will crack that Bleacher Report, though, lay your bets down now gentlemen I'm posting the over under at 3 to 1.


What's growing out of the top of PJ's head?

63 - Kobe's still playing tomorrow night though, right? Just bandage up those GSW's and get back to it?

63 Footer: "So, is it true there's some video footage from today of Kobe & Mr. Pres going one-on-one, where Kobe posted up Obama, who hacked Kobe on a head-fake, then the Mamba pivoted under (got an elbow across the face for it), then jumped past Obama, which alerted the Secret Service agents, who drew and fired four shots into Kobe, who still made the finger-roll, and... everyone together: Kobe got no "and 1" from the refs!
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... Luckily, Kobe was wearing that mithril armor handed to him by Shaq in '02, after he got too fat to wear it himself. Obama then realized that he must the real 'Chosen One' and renounced his treasonous allegiances to Chicago, swore allegiance to the Lakers and asked mamba to lead us all to the promised land.

Kobe however politely declined 'I have more work to do on the court' as he walked off into the sunset - actually the Lakers bus which was conveniently parked right outside...


We gotta write our own blog story, the kind where each one writes 2 or 3 words, and everyone keeps adding onto it. I'm sure it would get pretty twisted...

Judging by their warmups and Obama's suit I guess they didn't get any court time in. I was hoping that we'd see a little 3-on-3 or something, say Obama, Kobe and L.O. vs Pau, Ron Ron and Fish. Now THAT woulda been a fun game to watch - although I'm sure that no one would D-up on the prez...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Jamie Sweet

I'm sorry you buy his BS.

justa - in fact, when a reporter asked him afterwards about it, Kobe said: "Even a .357 sig isn't a Kobe stopper."

Jamie: "hobbitmage... A) Wants to see Bynum succeed as a Laker and B) Acknowledges his contributions last year as well as years prior."
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He sure has a funny way of showing it... I don't remember ever cynically, repeatedly, unrelentingly mocking a player as a sign of showing how he great he is...

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justa: PJ looks like a Supreme Court justice in the pic, either that or some kind of satanic high priest. Did B-Shaw forget to pack a black suit?

Never realized it before, but Obama is pretty tall.


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

I hope that Drew is strong and healthy for this season, I truly do and will be rooting for him, however, realistically I think he will fall prey again. Kinda that duck story about walking and quaking. I also hope that he does great and I'm wrong! Go Drew babeeee!

Dam it,

I remembered a dream I had last night in which Drew had come back. First couple of possessions he looked great, then all of a sudden he started limping. After 4 or 5 trips down the floor he looked like he did in Game 7 last year.

Not saying this is an omen, just sharing.

Ron brother just tweeted that he's got a gut feeling Ron will be traded next year.

What a dweeb... what a maroon....

Correction: BT is wrong. Kobe did not play in the summer pickup game. He was there, but only watched. Pau did play.

DUDESS!!!!

Why is Bumyn out there with the President, is he really trying to take some credit for this Championship!

Shouldn't he be Rehabbing or Playing Video Games to break the all-time record(s) or something!!

2. Pau Gasol needs some help

Starting center Andrew Bynum can't return to the lineup soon enough. Gasol put in 45 minutes of work. Way too much, even for an elite big man in the prime of his career.

With Rookie reserve big man Derrick Caracter gimpy and seeing less than three minutes of action Friday night, Gasol was forced to wage war along with Lamar Odom against Joakim Noah, Carlos Boozer, Taj Gibson and Omar Asik. That's too much to ask of Gasol and Lamar Kardashian for virtually an entire game.

Dump Bumyn at the nearest Toys "R" Us for a TRON Light Cycle, they are really cool,
and Remember,
It Really Lights Up,

BandWagon!!!

Mr. Laker,

Excellent Tron reference. Other than that, your post was... meh.

DBDH!

Ron's brother is an ULTRA maroon. It's sickening. If either of my sisters got celebrity famous for whatever, other than holding some childhood pics over their heads so I'd never have to work another day in my life, I'd be soooo far away from their celebrity umbra.

Seriously, I'd NEVER want to go through life being known as "so-and-so's brother." How humiliating. (Though when I was young I was an "and friend" in a People mag photo, but that's different.)

And then to dis his own brother. That's slug low. Makes me sick.

Rick Kamla just wrapped up NBA TV Fantasy Insider (a lot of good watching that for a couple years has done me...) stating that this third return from injury for Drew is his most important one yet, they need him to go to the Finals again.

To which '3D' Dennis Scott said they need him to play well along with Pau to get back to the Finals. Kamla got the final word and summed it up by saying 'I don't think they win their third straight without Andrew Bynum.'

But what do they know...

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Mr. Laker: Your post doesn't even merit an acknowledgement, but I'm curious. Which is it?
"Why is Bumyn out there with the President, is he really trying to take some credit for this Championship!"
or
"Starting center Andrew Bynum can't return to the lineup soon enough."

If Bynum is such a bum, why would you be wanting his quick return?


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

"Ron brother just tweeted that he's got a gut feeling Ron will be traded next year.

What a dweeb... what a maroon....

Posted by: justanothermambafan | December 13, 2010 at 03:51 PM "

I don't trust anything Ron's brother says, but things do seem a lot different with Ron this year.

I think he could use his strength down low more than he does but really, all he needs to do is get open on the 3 point line and be ready to take a balanced shot whenever the ball is kicked out to him. His primary role is on the defensive side. He looks terrified whenever he gets the ball now. He hesitates then he either passes away or shoots off balance. Why??

Bay - good questions... good observations.... There's definitely something going on at the moment, be it injury or whatever. But I'm quite sure there ain't no way on god's green earth the Show will trade him. LMAO!

Since perhaps Bleacher Report has more credibility than I had previously thought, how's about some equal time for Drew.

Los Angeles Lakers: 12 Reasons Andrew Bynum Will Cure L.A.’s Recent Woes

snips:

Shot Blocking:

"Andrew has great timing and shot anticipation in the post, which allows him to block and alter countless shots that prevent easy buckets from the opposition. When the Lakers get him back, they will prevent countless easy points that kill them without Bynum on the floor."

Scoring:

"What this means for the Lakers is upon his return, Andrew Bynum will do wonders in balancing out the scoring load. Kobe will get his usual 25-30, Gasol can breathe a little knowing he can score less, and Bynum can return to scoring 14-22 on hook shots and put-backs.

With the scoring load better distributed, everyone on the Laker squad can let the game come to them, and not force any unnecessary offense."

Rebounding:

"Having averaged 8.4 rebounds per game in 2010, Andrew truly is a force on the glass for the Lake Show. It's also hard to tell how he benefits the Lakers best, as he cleans up missed shots on the offensive end, and prevents easy hoops for the opposition on the defensive end."

Size:

"The return of Andrew Bynum means the return of the SIZE in La-La-Land. Once he's back, every opposing team will have to reconsider if going into the paint is even worth it."

Another Target For Kobe:

"Wither it's ally-oop's or a kick out from a nasty double team, Kobe likes to set up his big man. Bynum allows Kobe to penetrate the defense, and have a reliable exit strategy if things get rough."'

Chemistry:

"His absence has caused Lamar Odom to start, Pau Gasol to play out of his natural position, and all forwards to play far too many minutes. His return will bring Odom off the bench, move Pau back to the four spot, and will allow a little more rest for everyone.

How's that for a chemistry difference?

Lamar will undoubtedly amp up the bench's production, Pau will be much more comfortable at his home-base position, and the rest will allow nagging injuries to heal properly.

The return of Andrew Bynum will bump up the Laker's chemistry grade from B- to A+."

New Energy:

"Once Andrew Bynum is fully capable of contributing, his renewed energy and drive will have a ripple effect on the rest of the Lakers squad. Each player will be encouraged by what they see out of him, and it will motivate everyone to amp their production and energy level up as well."

High-Low:

"Andrew and Pau make the Lakers one of the best passing teams in the game, as big men usually can't hit the ocean when finding teammates.

With Bynum back and willing to pass out of the paint, the Lakers get back another threat that's willing to set up his very talented teammates."

Stronger Bench:

"With Lamar Odom out of the starting lineup, the Lakers get deeper. Like, seven feet deeper."

Kobe Needs Drew:

"Kobe Bryant can do anything he wants on the court, but he needs that size that he can delegate in the post when things are not going his way. The reality for Kobe is, the sooner Bynum can return, the sooner they can get back in the groove that keeps winning them championships."

He Has Something To Prove:

"The number one reason Bynum's return will cure the ailing Lakers, is that he has quite a bit to prove this season. He's been labeled the new Mr. Glass of the league with all of his season ending injuries, and that's a reputation he wants to shed faster than an itchy sweater."

More in depth here:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/534728-los-angeles-lakers-12-reasons-andrew-bynum-will-cure-las-recent-woes


@ DBDH

Maybe After We Dump the Bumyn For a TRON Light Cycle,

Ron Ron can raffle it of each week to raise money SO Tight Wad Buss can afford get us a Big Man!

* Tomy released the red and yellow Light Cycle in 1981 for the Tron action figure line
* In 2002, NECA re-released the red and yellow light cycle, and added a blue one. These NECA cycles included black plastic figures - the yellow came with Tron, the red with Sark, and the blue with Flynn.
* The cover flips up to seat one figure
* The cycles are clearly marked either Tomy or NECA above the rear wheel - on the picture above, the blue cycle is the only NECA one
* Each cycle included a rip-cord which was used on the back wheel
* The rip-cord action works great on these toys - they really get going fast
* The modern rip-cords do work on the vintage cycles, and vice versa; the company names (NECA and Tomy) are clearly printed on the handle of the rip-cord
* Rumors have abounded that a blue light cycle was released in the vintage line. These probably stem from the unlicensed Canadian Laser Cycles.

I'm just saying Trade while someone still wants him(Cuban) get them while it's hot,

Hottest Old/New toy on the market,

BandWagon!!!

"Ron brother just tweeted that he's got a gut feeling Ron will be traded next year.
Posted by: justanothermambafan |
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I don't like to say ever and never, one never knows. ( Ugh, I said never:)

If he doesn't turn things around people may be clamoring for a trade for him.
Now, I'm not saying he won't get back on track this year and I sure hope he does.
I am saying that in spite of his off court fun things, he gets paid $5 mill/yr to produce on the court, not off it.
He isn't producing.

Art FL,

Haven't talked at you in a loooooong time. Your posts are always worth reading though.

Though I won't say that Drew's return automatically cures everything, I don't see how anyone could deny that it helps a lot. Pau and LO are overtaxed at this point, any extra body is some relief. Even if he only gives the Lakes 15 minutes tomorrow, that's a big help. Drew is key even if it's just for the pressure it takes off of Gasol.

SO Tight Wad Buss can afford get us a Big Man!
Posted by: Mr. Laker
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Tight wad Buss?
Seriously?
LOL!!

Do you know how far over the salary cap the Lakers are?
Do you know what the Lakers payroll is this year?
Is any other teams payroll higher?

Thanks Mark G!

I agree about Drew, probably not a cure-all, but I am hoping so and I am looking forward to his return.

Actually, I think Ron is a bigger problem than what's been discussed what with all the focus on Pau and Drew. The Lakers really need him to be better on both ends of the court. It would have won them a few more games so far.

Lakers posing with POTUS...

Get use to it now...for this won't be the last time...

Pretty soon, Kobe, Fish, PJ and Pau should just get their own rooms...or get one named after them...

Imagine going to the White House tour...

Folk here is the Lincoln Room, the Roosevelt Room, the here folks across the hall is...the Bryant room...

LeBron can always take the tour, so he can say he has been to the White House...

"Thanks Mark G!

I agree about Drew, probably not a cure-all, but I am hoping so and I am looking forward to his return.

Actually, I think Ron is a bigger problem than what's been discussed what with all the focus on Pau and Drew. The Lakers really need him to be better on both ends of the court. It would have won them a few more games so far.

Posted by: Art - FL Laker Fan | December 13, 2010 at 04:43 PM "

Agreed. Even when Kobe and Pau are struggling with their shot, they're still commanding double teams and posing a threat. It seems that as long as Pau doesn't have an injury he hasn't told anyone about, that he should eventually turn it around.

Ron's problem seems different. If neither Ron or Fisher is doing much offensively, they're basically playing 3 on 5 and that's going to make things tough.

I think Ron needs to switch up his meds. If he's not injured, then It has to be mental. I just don't think it could be a long slump. Maybe it is- I'm not psychiatrist, but something definetely is up.

Maybe he's depressed that he's giving up his beloved Ring and is having second thoughts about it?

Maybe he's thinking about igniting his rap career again?

Maybe he's just bored and wants the playoffs to start?

Maybe he's thinking of being the Jesus of his own planet during each and every game?

Maybe he's thinking about how he's going to become the next leading man in a blockbuster Hollywood action flick?

Whatever it is, I hope he can figure it out soon, or he may be on the trading block sooner than next year.

I've stated before that I think he should be coming off of the bench so he could be a featured low post scorer with that group. This would be a confidence booster. Barnes would fit in nicely as his replacement in the starting lineup.

so where is the "stylist" in you???????????

all the Presidential Group Portrait is almost black and white

except

The Lakers Banner

the Golden Eagles on the top of the flag poles

and

Kobe's shoes that have the rich golden color sole and laces

Lakes and Laces!!!!!!!!!

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i hope the new lakers and rookies were there. but not in the picture! and no Magic! or other ownership trace

@ REDBLUFFPETE, Cyber ComicX, and ART-Fl-Laker,

The NBA's Richest team can't get a Real Big Man for the league minimum! = (

We Really need that TRON Light Cycle,
It is so much more dependable than any Bumyn who hasn't been close to playing a full season in Five Freakin Years!!

First of all It is environmentally friendly,
IT uses NO Batteries,
Can you say Green/Eco Friendly three times fast before Bumyn breaks another Video Game Record or pulls another Hammy!

That Rip Cord used to Power the Cycle is Awesome! That thing will outlast any of Bumyn's knees.
That thing will cut through trees and even through your Grandma's FruitCake!

I bet we can afford to get a fake Chinese/knockoff one for Every Laker Fan in the Universe with Bumyn's 57.4 million dollar Contract! A Real one for me since I thought of it!

Finally, did I say, "It Really Lights Up!"

Trade Bumyn for the TRON Light Cycle, NOW!

It Is Really Cool,

BandWagon!!!

my response: Can you imagine if Dr. Buss was like this? He'd be like a 
tennis match all by himself.
Dr. Buss to D-Fish: Why are you in the Game?
Dr. Buss to D-Fish: Oh. Way to take the charge.
Dr. Buss to D-Fish: Why did you take that shot?
Dr. Buss to D-Fish: Oh. So, you and Kobe are the clutch brothers.

[ note: y'all notice I didn't mention the injured rookie who's been in the 
league for 6 years, right? Cuz some skunk will label me a basher any second. ]
Posted by: hobbitmage | December 13, 2010 at 11:45 AM

can he be considered for the rookie of the year??????????

you mean tennis? we r talking about tennis with himself?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vhI_-bvU7I

Hey Laker fans and also you illuminati lovers!
I see PJ is still a stubborn fool who refuses to use his bench that Dr. Buss paid for. A trend is developing in that most of the times but not always the flat feet and slow response, lack of energy happens in the 3rd quarter. Go back to when Trevor was playing the second unit was the energy unit and were known as the game changers. Sasha is energy guy and can disrupt opposing teams offense with his annoying pressure defense and Ebanks sure can change the game with his long arms on defense, his underated offense and the closest we have to Trevor. PJ play these guys especially in the 3rd quarter instead of just sitting on your throne with the duh look. Try coaching for a change instead of throwing your players under the public media bus.
I for one am very happy Drew is back soon and maybe tomorrow. Then the vultures can go back to sitting on their cactii and mutter curses under their breath.

my response: Can you imagine if Dr. Buss was like this? He'd be like a 
tennis match all by himself.
Dr. Buss to D-Fish: Why are you in the Game?
Dr. Buss to D-Fish: Oh. Way to take the charge.
Dr. Buss to D-Fish: Why did you take that shot?
Dr. Buss to D-Fish: Oh. So, you and Kobe are the clutch brothers.

[ note: y'all notice I didn't mention the injured rookie who's been in the 
league for 6 years, right? Cuz some skunk will label me a basher any second. ]
Posted by: hobbitmage | December 13, 2010 at 11:45 AM

can he be considered for the rookie of the year??????????

you mean tennis? we r talking about tennis with himself?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vhI_-bvU7I

I for one am very happy Drew is back soon and maybe tomorrow. Then the vultures can go back to sitting on their cactii and mutter curses under their breath.

Posted by: JustaLakerFan | December 13, 2010 at 04:58 PM

actually is when the vultures will have a field day, everyday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@KobeMVP888 - Well, all things here should be taken with the proverbial grain of salt. I have a tremendous respect for anyone who would care to plumb the archives to the extent the 'mage has done. It shows, to me anyhow, that he truly cares about the Lakers and is as big a fan of public discourse as I am. I haven't met a poster here yet (trolls aside) who didn't have something uniquely interesting about they way they look at the Lakers to the Blog.


We all agree on the basics (wins=good, losses=bad, Lakers=awesome) but it's the nuts and blots of the why's and wherefor's that intrigue me more than the agreeing. Agreeing all the time is so seldom true, one may adjust one's thinking so as to fit their brain in someone else's skull, but when you get right down to it I suspect that there are a thousand little differences between us and our opinions.


For instance, I find the not-so-subtly thrown barbs by the pro-Bynum/anti-hobbitmage camp to be as annoying as his constant, also-not-so-subtly thrown barbs that tick them off. It reminds me of the Dr. Seuss story, The Butter Battle book:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z71Czfh8w3o


To be honest, once I read between the snarkiness both sides engage in, I see a small amount of common ground that I truly believe represents a measure of respect both sides have for one another. Sounds crazy, I know, but I have a lot of faith in my fellow man.


To be sure there are major disagreements on intangible things like the amount of impact Bynum's alpinian build has on our D and things like and when threats of any type are made I find it inexcusable, childish and dangerous to the one making them as that is now a prosecutable offense and should not be taken lightly. When the vitirol around here got so bad I wasn't enjoying popping by I, like LakerTom who was a most unfair target of some of the lamest insults I'd ever seen, left. I still read the threads, scrolled past those who had made the lame comments, silently applauded the mamba 24s, JAMFs, phred et al who made a real effort to restore sanity to the blog (can't forget MM, his return to the Chair of Power was instrumental as well), but I stopped contributing.


But you and our Blog neighbors are just too interesting, passionate, and fun to stay away from. It was also a good time for me to look at how I had contributed to the Decorum Downfall of aught-10, maybe not directly, but in some small way I feel we were all responsible. It's like voting, if you do it you have every right to complain about any little thing but if you sit on your thumbs and then whine about the governement go sing it on the mountain.


Are hobbitmage's posts negative? I guess they could be interpreted that way. Could you also look at it from the view point of a die-hard Laker fan who expected more out of a specific player and doesn't feel they are, in anyway shape or form, living up to their end of the bargain? I believe you can. Most folk 'round here feel that way about Luke Walton. They just do not see what he brings to our team (pfunk36, for example). The way I, personally, feel is that our chances are greatly lessened to win it all, again, without Andrew Bynum. I also think that no matter how you look at it, Luke Walton brings something to this team nobody else can. SOme will agree with me, others wont, someone might even say some minorly insulting thing about my comment.


Regardless, I see you all as my neighbor. I might not like your car or the fact that you park it on the lawn, but I'm not going to sit back and watch your house burn down without calling the Fire department. You're my neighbor for crying out loud.

I used to love Obama and now every day he grows more and more tedious to me.

Talking smack on the Lakers? Really, Obama? Really?

Dude, you should commit to excellence like the Lakers do and maybe we'd be out of this mess by now.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Going against the Wizards will be a good return for Bynum. They're not overly physical but they will test his mobility and lateral movement. I'll have more on that later in a post overnight.

I've asked Brez and Brad for a little scouting report on what they've seen of Bynum in practice and some behind-the-scenes talk. Regardless of how many minutes Bynum plays, how much of a load he takes off Pau Gasol's back, etc., it'll just be good to see the young big man back in action.

And with an early 4 o'clock Pacific time start, I'll get to watch most of the game before going to play in my Tuesday night softball league instead of having to record the game and watch it later. Bonus!

Ron brother just tweeted that he's got a gut feeling Ron will be traded next year.
Posted by: justanothermambafan
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I doubt it. Ron's defense is outstanding... It compensates his offense, for sure.


And for those who think Bynum's return will rock the house, I must warn you that he will need a few games to get his touch back. His last NBA game was last season's playoffs. This adjustment time is needed, no worries.

MP - "This adjustment time is needed, no worries."

I agree. I think the best part is his return will force other teams to change their defensive strategies. I believe that's one of the main things Phil likes best about him in the playoffs. Beast or not (ain't gettin' into that maze), he forces opposing bigs to guard him, those shedding a few fouls on them, while Pau gets to "loaf it" at the 4 (and guys he can "own" with his skill-set and length), then switch over to the 5 when needed.

@KobeMVP888 - Well, all things here should be taken with the proverbial grain of salt. I have a tremendous respect for anyone who would care to plumb the archives to the extent the 'mage has done.

Posted by: Jamie Sweet | December 13, 2010 at 05:07 PM
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His total motivation for saving his Word doc posts and saving others' is to bait people, get under their collective skin and to be a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. He is no more than a posing internet troll who has obviously pulled the wool over your eyes. The tremendous respect you have for him is the very reason I loathe him. He keeps his archives available for the sole purpose of contradicting what a REAL fan said in the past that might not hold true in the present. He re-writes history and gives it his own spin which certain people fall for and then he goes back to the well for more. It is not a "grain of salt," it's a "pile of ISH." It is both mean-spirited and diabolical, but if you choose to buy this "fan's" BS and remained mesmerized and bamboozled by his misleading "research," then by all means ... carry on!

Well it won't be long now, Lakerholics, fans and anti fans...

Andrew, the lightening rod of controversy, is comin' back. He'll take it slow, build momentum, peak and, and head into the playoffs foamin' at the mouth.

Some mal-adjusted humans will root for injury. I'll be holdin' my breath with each skirmish under the hoop until the streamers fall on the 3 peat. He's got to feel about the same.

We know what's riding on it, but add to that, this is probably the kid's career. WE all know he can play, but if he can't make it to June on both legs, the dream is going to die a slow death.

Either way, it's no longer about potential... it's about now.

GO Andrew, Go Lakers

Glad Drew is coming back tomorrow. I'm not expecting anything great initially just another big body to score a few easy hoops on O, discourage those little dudes from attacking the rack on D, and give Pau and LO some rest.


Like Jimi said...Wait Until Tomorrow.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAFaV1SrOqI

Jamie, I don't want to jump in to your discussion with 888. I just want to give my two cents regarding hobbit.

One is free to maintain an overwhelmingly dark perspective on things, that's fine. What bugs more than eternal optimism is eternal negativity, both may be tedious, but whatever. I'm always leery about those that meticulously and methodically attempt to break down Laker players in a negative vein. Again, no problem, even though in my eyes, hobbitmage has routinely crossed over into the 'dark side' as far as keeping a balanced look on things. Whatever. To me that is tedious, but that isn't the thing that has irked me regarding hobbit.

hobbit has crossed the line into personal attacks several times in the past month or so. Not me but others. That is when personally I have felt inclined to start jumping into the fray and start speaking up because I don't want to see the disintegration that happened here on the blog this summer repeat itself. When someone is calling others out, trying to bait a fight and crossing into personal jabs, well that whole act may be amusing to some but not to me as this has almost exclusively been my 'Laker blog-home' now.

hobbit was called out after he could no longer hide the hostility behind his venomous posts and they ventured into personal threats. Go back a few days if you missed them. After that, it seems now that intense negativity is hobbit's sword, his way to strike blows, again done with the intention to indirectly smack certain people. That has become plainly obvious, but at least he is restraining from personal attacks that I've seen.

I don't think I would have bothered to speak out except for when the jabs got personal. If hobbit or others merely stay negative, it will become easy to scroll by his posts in the future. If hobbit once again can post in a balanced way (that he used to) then his posts may become readable again. Whatever, but sometimes we all need to balance out some of the unrelenting negativity that goes in in general, especially when directed towards a few select Laker players.

Definitely though, we all need to step in and stop any personal attacks from anyone in the future. No blog police, no 'harmonious blog utopia', but we all should call out those attacking others.

hobbit had a great post earlier regarding Donald Sterling and his taunts, something I wanted to discuss and never even got around to it. Oh well, maybe another time.


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

CCX

If hobbit once again can post in a balanced way (that he used to) then his posts may become readable again.
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Yep, just like a 3 dollar bottle of win can, on rare occasions, be drinkable.

Here is a little thought for you illuminatti lovers in the NBA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfDO03MZ7_Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2RRXgq2jW8
Wake up.

Now back to your normal life such as it is.
Thank God Drew back and hopefully PJ plays bench deeper but somehow I doubt he will learn or change. He will burn out the stars to accept personal glory.

We all can either contribute to the greatness of this blog, or we can contribute to it becoming a stinking mess.


Decide which side you want to come down on, as it will define you.


Hopefully we all choose greatness. We all deserve it.


Justanothermambafan,

you wrote: hobbit - are you happy Drew's coming back?

my response: Of course I am. I want all Lakers to be happy and productive.
Feel free to post any recent link where I said otherwise.

Cybercosmix,

you wrote: hobbitmage, you have issues. Do you get off on antagonizing and berating our players?

my response: Yes, I do have issues. As do you. But, let's be really clear about
this:

you are asking me about antagonizing and berating our players.

def antagonize: To incur the dislike of; provoke hostility or enmity in:

I posted two links. Are you telling me that Pau Gasol would feel hostile
towards me because he made it into the top 10 Laker Bigs of all time?
Really? It must SUCK to be Kareem!

Are you telling me that either Bynum or Gasol would be angry with me because
some writer didn't think they measured up to the top 50 Centers of all time?
When neither of them have actually played 10 years in the NBA? Really?

You're telling me that the 7'1" 285 lb Bynum is going to squish me because
somebody else isn't comparing him to Kareem? When he's averaged a double-
double exactly ONCE in 6 years and has yet to make the all-star team? REALLY?

Jamie Sweet,

you wrote: Pau is considered a power forward, check the All Star ballot, he's only playing center because all of ours have flat tires. I will acknowledge that there are some borderline 4/5 players...but each one of those guys is listed as cneter first, PF second. For Pau it's the opposite.

my response: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/pau_gasol/

The NBA has him listed as a Center. Perhaps you should have a conversation
with David Stern?

Art -FL Lakers Fan,

you wrote: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/534728-los-angeles-lakers-12-reasons-andrew-bynum-will-cure-las-recent-woes

my response: I actually read that article. I *HOPE* it's true. I *think* I
quoted part of that article before and asked some questions like: "How can
Bynum make the 3-point shooters better? "

It's along the same question I asked earlier, a couple of years ago, about
Kobe making his teammates better. The *FACT* is that Bynum can *NOT*
actually shoot for the perimeter players. They *ARE* getting clean looks.
They're not making their shots.

To quote Phil Jackson: "Ron, there's a reason why we left you alone to
shoot last year. " [ paraphrase ]

Do any of y'all recall the PHX series of last year? "Kobe passed me the ball.
He actually passed me the ball. And I shot it. And it went in. I could hear
him tell me, "Ron don't shoot. pass the ball" and I was like ... Whatever! And
I shot it and it went in! " [ paraphrase ]

However, here is the MOST RIDICULOUS part of the whole thing today.
Not one of you sorry misbegotten Lakers fans actually got mad at the
writer who said these things. *giggle* *chuckle* *guffaw*

Not one of you took umbrage at the writers, but instead immediately
accused me of being antagonistic.

This has gone from infuriating to ridiculous. HOW DARE I NOT COMPARE
BYNUM TO WILT CHAMBERLIN! WTF IS WRONG WITH ME THAT I POST
AN ARTICLE WHICH SAYS PAU IS ONE OF THE TOP 10 LAKER BIGS!!!

Oh, stop it! *chuckle* *giggle* guffaw!

Go ask Phil Jackson if Bynum is a top 50 center of all time. Go ask Bill
Russell, Pat Ewing, Shaq, DH. Oh, paleeze! Stop it. I'm going to hurt myself
from laughing at such silliness.

Can someone pass me a tissue? This is priceless. I wish I had used my
MasterCard.

This was written:

His total motivation for saving his Word doc posts and saving others' is to bait people, get under their collective skin and to be a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. He is no more than a posing internet troll who has obviously pulled the wool over your eyes. The tremendous respect you have for him is the very reason I loathe him. He keeps his archives available for the sole purpose of contradicting what a REAL fan said in the past that might not hold true in the present. He re-writes history and gives it his own spin which certain people fall for and then he goes back to the well for more. It is not a "grain of salt," it's a "pile of ISH." It is both mean-spirited and diabolical, but if you choose to buy this "fan's" BS and remained mesmerized and bamboozled by his misleading "research," then by all means ... carry on!

OMG, this is too much. I think I am going to save this.

I'm accused of saving word doc posts. Do you actually know what the
internet company Google does? If you go to the bookstore ... Wait. You
do know what a bookstore is, right? Anyhow, I was talking about google
analytics [sp?] and how searches are done ... Dang. I lost you when the
syllables got too big. Sorry sport. Let's move on.

So, I'm a linux/unix guy. I hate word. Oh, wait. You probably don't know
what linux/unix is. *sigh* Let's move on.

So if you do a search, you can actually find archives for the lakers blogs ...
Oh, wait. You actually have to care about the truth in order to do research.
Nevermind....

I love how pulling up box scores is considered to be BS to you.

So tell the truth: You don't believe that the Holocaust actually happened do
you? Darn those British with their stinkin' lies.

You don't actually believe that Slavery happened here either do y0u?

I love you man. I haven't laughed so much in weeks.

Dan: "I've asked Brez and Brad for a little scouting report on what they've seen of Bynum in practice and some behind-the-scenes talk. Regardless of how many minutes Bynum plays, how much of a load he takes off Pau Gasol's back, etc., it'll just be good to see the young big man back in action."
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Look forward to hearing what they have to say about Drew.

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justa: Ron Ron's brother Daniel's tweets got so XXX-rated, for a while there I would cringe when I saw his name scroll go by on echofon or twitbin. He is about as crude/raw as anyone I've seen, lol.

I think he probably talked to Ron or noticed when PJ walked up to him after he yanked him when he took that ill-fated 3-pt miss towards the end of last game. That showed him up, I thought it was heavy-handed toward him, but Phil probably felt he needed to make a point as well as an example to the other players.

Hope Ron Ron doesn't let that get to him, we need his D to be strong come playoffs more than his shooting percentage. Who else will knock Paula around for us?

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888: how about the 99cent store stuff? =P

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hobbit: I do have issues, but I try to contain them when discussing our players. I save the vitriol for our opponents.

Some of the reason Bynum hasn't made the all-star team is that he hasn't put up big numbers, as well as injury issues. Injuries speak for themselves, but lowered numbers go along with playing alongside other quality players.

I write the occasional article on Bleacher Report. Going to get self-deprecating on you, but that should tell you all you need to know about that site..... Let's see David Aldridge, Yahoo's Wojnarowski, Bob Ryan, Mike Bresnahan or some other knowledgeable NBA writers list.


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Catching a few games tonight...


Miami has ramped up their defense holding N.O to 84 pts. That's 9 in a row folks. The winning streak coincides with inserting Chalmers in the lineup for Eddie House...


Brandon Jennings is doing his thang in Dallas. 16pts in 2nd half. Bucks red hot from 3pt land shooting about 75%...up 8 with 4 minutes to go.

justa - I would contribute to greatness, but:

1. I can only be good, greatness evades me like those little motes that float on the surface of your eye and yet look like something. But... I will try to be great. I will be like the little mote on the surface of the blog's eye.

2. Seriously, it's the frickin' Los Angeles Lakers we're discussing here... how can any fan NOT root for greatness, since we are -- by definition -- the greatest.

3. I am a secret member of the Illuminati, and it would blow my cover if I am publicly too great, so like my masonic brethren from time immemorial, I can only be great in tiny doses so as not to draw too much attention. "Clatu verata nictu!" (Thought to be a line from "The Day The Earth Stood Still," but in fact is the Master Word for world domination.)

Hey hobbit - I wasn't implying you posted anything contrary. I just really wanted to see how happy YOU personally are about Drew coming back and all that will entail.

Me - I'm VERY happy! I know there will be a "learning curve" of sorts. He'll need to get his timing and rhythm back and the guys will all have to adjust to playing with each other, but another big body - and potentially an all-star - out there in our starting 5 is really something to be excited about! I hope this kid lives up to all those 'flashes' of potential we've all seen. I hope he stays intact too. Kobe needs to fall the other way when he barges his way into the paint, right? LOL!!


Here's hoping tomorrow's game gives us all reason to have even more hope for the rest of the season and on into the playoffs. I'm a GHF girl - I firmly believe we 3peat. That said, we need Socks to do it and a BEAST of a Socks will almost guarantee it in my mind! Of course I'm realistic to know that nothing is guaranteed, but hey - my optimism is my best feature!


LRob: The Hornets have really turned around their season - in a negative way, lol.

I'm watching the end of the Pacers/Bulls game, about 1 hour behind on NBA TV. D-Rose has take a couple of the roughest falls I've seen in this game. He plays with as much reckless abandon that Wade used to play with. Great player but he should try to play a little smarter when he attacks the rim or he will be getting hurt a lot...


GO LAKERS!!!!!

63 - sorry, but no. Good plus a dash of 'smart-ass' does not work for me. Try harder.

:)

justa - I think (along with the defensive changes forced on the other team by his presence), Drew might actually have some fun. When was the last time he played without pain and only half-a-leg? I mean, he went through the playoffs limping and now he gets to be ready. Ramp-up curve, yes. But he's gotta be itching to play without shackles. I'm hoping he stays healthy; it's his career on the line, not mine, and the Lakers will be the greatest no matter what. (See how I got that greatness thing in again!)

justa - I could be a great smart-ass?

All right! All right! I'll share:

Hi, my name is 63 Footer, Fan of Fans
Look on my Greatness ye Mighty, and despair!

The Grizzles may trade Hasheem Thabeet (7'3, 23 yrs old) The Lakers may consider trade Sasha for him.

http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=4016

I've created a monster.

My apologies to the blog.

Philistines, I parody Coleridge and this is the thanks I get.

Sigh, my greatest mistake was trying for greatness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLPiufkxfdo

justa: "I've created a monster.
My apologies to the blog."
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Dare I say, you've...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OlCnPKr4Q8


GO LAKERS!!!!!

LakerPeace - Hasheem Thabeet's an interesting choice, but I think his lack of veteran-ness makes him an ill fit. Mbenga was a more seasoned player than Hasheem, and it seems Phil wanted someone even more solid. Someone to hold the fort for 10 minutes a game without worry; hence, Theo (unfortunately, injured). Not sure Thabeet's there yet, and would be another Caracter in Phil's mind. Still, an interesting thought... though I believe we might get more for Sasha's expiring contract somewhere else.

cyber - LOL! Not what we had in mind when asking for the Kraken to be released!

63 - who you callin' a Philistine?

What, isn't a "Philistine" someone who follows the teachings of Phil Jackson? Much like a Texistine, but the next generation. (Or is that a Winterine?)

63 - you're going with that? Pitiful... just pitiful....


Hey - I was going to send you an email, but will check in on the RC if you have a sec....

A Thabeet/Sasha trade works:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=23jrnhw

63: I'm with you but it would be unlikely since Phil loves those vets, which he isn't. But I would Mitch considers it since a 7'3'' bench warmer would look nicer than Sasha's 6'-some frame, he's probably got bigger buns to keeping the bench warm too.

But as you point out, his lack of veteran-ness would make him an ill-fit into Phil's rotation...

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How about if your follow the teachings of Einstein? Does that make you an Einsteinistine?


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

justa - give me the RC again if you could (I lost it after yesterday).

Got it!

Considering the sparring that goes on on this blog it is like using statistics when one goes to the archives or saves posts in order to protect their right to defend themselves or rebut another person.

There's a lot of people on this blog who claim to be one thing yet turn around and contradict themselves when the occasion suits them.
These individuals are the worse type of people and their reactions when confronted with posts from the archives showing them talking out of both sides of their mouths are classic.

TM

@Cyber - I didn't see switch to the Bulls game since it was pretty much a blow out. DRose is already starting mixing in more j's to supplement his driving to the basket. I'm really impressed by the work he's put into developing his outside shooting.


LRob: Yeah, I had on Game Time earlier, left it on while on the PC for the pregame, zoned out and the Bulls were up like 20-4 or something like that. Went away and came back, and it was 33-32 lol. But yeah, they pulled away at that point.

Rose's jump shooting is nice to see. Clearly he's worked on it. The other day before the Lakers/Bulls game, ESPN had a quote where Kobe said he respected Rose's game. Stuart Scott made a great comment when he says that Kobe respects everyone that works on their game.

I can't remember at any time where so many quality, great PG's are in the league together at one time. Even those that are overlooked like say a Westbrook, Jennings, Curry or even Rondo. There are so many really good ones that it would be pretty hard in the coming years for a great PG to be a repeat all-star.

If the Lakers could pick up one of those that would be nice.

OJ Mayo has been in the doghouse, so has Tayshaun Prince. If they can pick either of those guys for Sasha's expiring contract that would be nice, but if Bynum and the bigs stay uninjured through the trade deadline, I'd love for Mitch to try to get a young, speedy point guard instead of a center/PF if he does make a move.


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

We should have picked up Dampier when he was available. We wouldn't be talking about Pau playing 45 minutes and Bynum hurrying back.

Jamie Sweet,
Nice post. I miss the good ole days of this blog, when bloggers could post their opinions and expect insightful dialogue without being attacked. We always disagree on the value of Luuuuke, but I always enjoy your posts.

Brandon Jennings is doing his thang in Dallas. 16pts in 2nd half. Bucks red hot from 3pt land shooting about 75%...up 8 with 4 minutes to go.

Posted by: LRob | December 13, 2010 at 07:45 PM
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Everybody seems to be hot from the 3pt land... This is looking the "3pt-season"...

Cyber,

Is there a job opening as KobeMVP888's lap dog, or do you have full tenure for that prestigious position? Have you noticed that all the bickering, personal attacks, and immaturity the last few months (excluding the trolls) have ALWAYS involved Kobe888? Think about it. When Laker dialogue turns into personal attacks, whether it be with Hobbit, Blitz, Yellofever, Ouch, myself, or anyone else, who is always involved? There is always one constant, and his name is Kobe888. The dude has the worst case of Napoleon complex that I have ever seen, and has no respect for the opinions of others, despite the fact that he is always eating crow. I understand that one of your job requirements as 888's lapdog is to kiss his arse like there is no tomorrow, but if you want to act like a Blog Nazi by attacking anyone who says anything that you perceive as "negative", than look no further than your BFF.

This is a public service announcement from Laker Truth.

When Laker dialogue turns into personal attacks, whether it be with Hobbit, Blitz, Yellofever, Ouch, myself, or anyone else, who is always involved? There is always one constant, and his name is Kobe888.

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | December 13, 2010 at 09:33 PM
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This All-Star cast of unappreciative, entitled, spoiled Lakers fans who don't appreciate a damn thing that the Lakers have given them over the past three seasons speaks volumes about who you choose to associate with. You actually included (d)ouchhhhh(e) in there? Interesting.

Oh, and for the record, I am proud to say that I am CCX's lap dog, not the other way around. But thanks for the compliment anyway.

Did anybody miss me? Being gainfully employed, helping the youth of tomorrow and taking care of the previous generation is kicking the patootie of my Lakers time.

Looks like I have chosen a good thread to get back in the water on, though. Two great posts by two great blog guys Jamie and Cyber, as well as a good measure of Justatude. Nice work, guys. Restoring my faith in human potential. And, you know, THE LOVE.

TRUTH- way to teach us that personal attacks by MVP888 are the true culprit. Clever of you to demonstrate by personally attacking MVP888. Also- what good ol days are you talking about precisely? I bet mage couldn't find that era in his archive searching. I sure as heck don't remember it. Of course, I can't remember last thursday, so i might not be the best source. Let me check my archives...

Oh, man, BWAHAHAHA. Dang, i was funny last Thursday. Good times, good times. What, i'm supposed to save your guys' comments? Pshaw.

Seriously, MVP, here's a suggestion- if mage's posts bother you, DON'T FREAKIN READ THEM! Crazy, but it might work.

pHRED IS WORKING AGAIN TOMORROW, BUT THE LOVE WILL BE HERE, MAKING SURE Y'ALL DON'T &^%# IT UP TOO BAD.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

LAKER TRUTH: I appreciate your public service message, and would be more than happy to serve as 888's lap dog as our views on the Lakers are in such close sequence. The fact is though, he needs none. He is more than capable of fending off the entire half-empty club you mention and then some.

The TRUTH is, the days you tell Jamie you miss is the days your crew and yourself could heap insult over insult on such selected targets as D-Fish, Luke, Bynum, Pau and even L.O., running roughshod over the blog spreading vile views with impunity. Like a band of outlaws that comes to an old western town, you guys (and a few others not mentioned or thankfully not seen lately) would barge into the saloon, shoot up the place, break the furniture, grab a few whiskey bottles and order the piano player to keep playing.

888 is like the sheriff coming to town, cleaning things up. He walks into the saloon and breaks up all the fun. No longer can the gang of hooligans just do whatever they want, unchecked. I'm more than happy to serve as deputy and help rid the town of outlaws.

Seriously if you took the time to read 888's posts not only would you learn a few things but also come realize that he, like Chick used to, keeps it real. His criticisms, unlike your half-empty crew, is balanced. He's also experienced and knowledgeable enough as a fan to see things with a proper big-picture perspective and not dwell on game-to-game results. Most importantly, he doesn't spin things in a negative way or hold irrational grudges against certain players as the half-empty club does.

So, just wondering, you glad that Bynum is coming back LAKER TRUTH???

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phred: always appreciate your calm, level-headed and reasoned views on things. You are always a voice of sanity in the asylum we frequently resemble.

Gotta give you your props for leading the Part Deuz fantasy league. Laker J is nipping at your heels though so it should be interesting to see the matchup with LEWSTRS team given his 7-1 win blowout win last week. I keep forgetting though to set lineups on Monday, second straight week I've had people out of game that were playing... lol


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

phred

When hobbitmage opens a post with: "KobeMVP888 & LakerTom, don't read the following," sure I could choose to ignore it, but what fun would that be? The truth is that I read no further as is the case with all of his posts. My eyes dance to comments like: "You don't actually believe that Slavery happened here either do you?", which is the second time he has played the race card on me. One time was unforgivable enough, but there he goes back to the well again. In theory, you are 100% correct. For the most part, I do skip over his posts. I am sorry that you defend him and that you haven't seen through him, but I will ignore him provided that he quits his snide attacks which somehow "fans" like LAKER TRUTH see as me instigating. Which leads me to ...

CCX

Your post made me cry. Need I say more? When I first started posting here, I saw a couple of bloggers ... one lead guy and his lap dog, relentlessly attacking a Lakers fan who proudly represents the Lakers Nation in the noblest of ways, so I simply gave him a little protection. For all the reasons mentioned in your post, I remain a proud Lakers fan, ready to defend against the leakiest of half-empty glasses. It is not like I have always been this way, but once we reached the NBA Finals in 2008 and have since won back-to-back championships, what more can a franchise possibly give its fans?

AS FOR THE RETURN OF ANDREW BYNUM!!!!!

You better believe this is a difference maker! He might be the fifth best player on the team, but he gives us back our incomparable 48 minute 4-5 rotation, he will bring Pau's minutes and game back to where they should be, and just wait until we see what the second unit will look like now! Will all of this transpire over night? Of course not. But seriously, who needs over night?

Now let's talk a little optimistically about Andrew Bynum's health (for all we know):

The left knee is 100%, more than 2 years post-op. The right MCL? It should be 100%, more than a year after the 2009 Finals. The right meniscus? It was sewn and repaired instead of shaven and will hopefully be 100% in a few months.

DeJuan Blair has no ACLs. Brandon Roy has no menisci. Greg Oden's knees are a total mess, unable to heal without microfracture surgery which, by the way, young Andrew has not undergone.

As shocking as this might sound, Andrew Bynum's ACL's, MCL's, menisci, patellae, and other knee tendons and ligaments are all intact. This is not to say that he is not prone to injury or that his prior injuries and surgeries may have aged his knees, but I am hopeful that barring another fluke traumatically induced injury, we may finally see him healthy for the first time as an important, if not at times dominant, role player in Phil Jackson's 12th championship rotation.

1-2-3 RING! #17 coming up STRONG!!

CyberCosmix,

Do you know one of the reasons why I look at stats & box score's?

It's too actually know the truth. Bare with me for a second, before you
automatically say that it's *my* truth or some such nonsense.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01.html

Second box down. per game statistics.

you wrote: Injuries speak for themselves, but lowered numbers go along with playing alongside other quality players.

my response is: the truth actually says that his scoring has increased ~ 1pt. per
year. Over the last 3 years. So where exactly is his "lowered numbers" ?

Are you talking about his rebounds? The whopping drop from 10.0 to 8.0 to
8.3. That whopping drop? The one that just happens to coincide with him
deciding that he had more important things to do than train with Kareem?

http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2009/10/has-bynum-outgrown-kareem.html

snippet:
But that relationship now seems to be running its course, at least as far as Bynum is concerned.

Sources close to the team said that Abdul-Jabbar will be playing a lesser role with both the Lakers and Bynum this season.

With his round-the-clock tutoring of Bynum not needed as much, sources said Abdul-Jabbar would likely spend less time with the team and more time back in his hometown of New York City.

All of which seems to be a considerable letdown for the former Lakers captain, who has worked closely with Bynum since the Lakers drafted him out of high school in 2005.

Abdul-Jabbar expressed disappointment in Bynum and the situation, saying that ``I think there are things that have to do with basketball that he could learn but he's getting on in years.''

Bynum said he understood his mentor's feelings, but that it's not personal and just a natural evolution for him in his career.

``I understand where he's coming from,'' Bynum said. ``It's definitely tough (for him). As of right now, I have my direction and he's still helping me. As long as he doesn't stop helping me everything is going to be fine.''

Over the summer, the two had no contact.

Bynum said that was because he spent only about a week and a half in Los Angeles following the Lakers championship parade on June 17th.

After that, he took a 41-day vacation in Europe and Asia, then went back to Atlanta for a month and a half to work with his personal trainer, Sean Zarzana.

He travelled through Europe with friends, backpacking and riding on trains just like a typical 21-year old kid who just graduated from college.

end snippet:

Let's go here ...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html

2nd box down. per game statistics.

In 2007-2008 he averaged 12.3 shots.
In 2008-2009 he averaged 12.9 shots.

[ wow. he's shootin' through the sky. ]

in 2009-2010, he averaged 13 shots.
[ a veritable sky rocket in his shot attempts. ]

FYI, he has been steady at 18.9 pts per game for 3+ years.
A HUGE FALL from 20.8 shot pts per game when he was THE MAN in
Memphis.

C'mon guy! Don't be such a stoodge! How do you get any sort of paycheck
as a writer if you actually can't do research? What sort of incompetent
essayist would argue that someone's points have gone down when they've
actually gone up??? Wait, are you *really* going to be so lame as to come
back with: I didn't say points? Are you going to be lame and say rebounds?

9.8 2006 memphis
8.4 2008
9.6 2009
11.3 2010.

Do I really need to really need to talk about Lamar?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/odomla01.html

Damn it smells really bad in here. Must be the trolls.

hobbit, as you brought up Bleacher Report earlier, and because I don't have an inclination to want to go tit-for-tat with you, I refer you to a Bleacher Report article I wrote a few months back that basically sums up my thoughts on stats, and to a larger extent those that use and refer to stats to back their positions.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/424811-stats-lie-lebron-no-closer-to-greatness-than-rondo-is-to-mediocrity


"Is so-and-so a great player because he racks up numbers? Can one justify all-time greatness by using a figure, say, scoring percentage? Is it possible to argue quality by throwing out numbers? Are stat sheets blueprints to superstardom?

Using statistics to justify greatness is just wrong.

Stats can't measure heart.

Stats can't measure clutchness.

Stats can't measure leadership.

Stats can't measure desire. Drive. Intensity.

Stats lie.

It's intangibles that make you a better player. Or a worse one. Intangibles are reality.

Stats give you LeBron James as MVP , stats tell you he is comparable to Magic Johnson, to Oscar Robertson .

Reality is, LeBron's performance in Eastern Conference Semi's game 5, Cavaliers vs Celtics .

Reality is LeBron isn't anywhere close to them .

Stats say Rajon Rondo is a mediocre point guard .

Reality is, Rondo's contributions to two Celtic runs to the Finals .

Reality is Rondo is far from mediocre .

Stats don't measure Derek Fisher's heart, Jason Kidd's leadership, Robert Horry's clutch shots, or Kevin Garnett's intensity.

Stats don't measure Allen Iverson's talent, Ron Artest's toughness, Ronny Turiaf overcoming adversity, or David Robinson's selflessness.

Stats don't measure Derrick Rose's speed, Lamar Odom's versatility, Jamal Crawford's embracing his role, or Manute Bol and Dikembe Mutombo's humanity.

Stats don't measure Grant Hill's relentlessness, Charles Oakley's tenaciousness, Kevin Durant and Reggie Miller's loyalty, or T.J. Ford's courageousness.

In short, stats tell you LeBron James is MVP and that Rajon Rondo is mediocre.

Stats lie."

GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Looking back, I can now add the line:

Stats can't measure Andrew Bynum's heart, grit, determination and courage fighting through injury and leading the Lakers to a championship.


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

This All-Star cast of unappreciative, entitled, spoiled Lakers fans who don't appreciate a damn thing that the Lakers have given them over the past three seasons speaks volumes about who you choose to associate with.
Posted by: KobeMVP888 | December 13, 2010 at 09:40 PM

hey kobemvp666

WOW.. the only thing i hear SPEAKING VOLUMES around here is your constant self indulging psychobabble.. i was actually making a concerted effort to be nice and put up with your constant drivel but reading your posts is getting increasingly difficult to endure considering its 80% filled with adulating SUCKIE SUCKIE CHEER CHEER HURRAY for my team and if anybody dares to disagree and pose any constructive criticism i will just hurl insult after insult of my self serving self righteous self

and who you callin unappreciative entitled and spoiled when you're the cantakerous little blog natzi punk! no more being civil to the uncivilized... why should anyone show 666 any civility when he seems to be the rotten apple of the bunch constantly instigating and making deliberate attempt after attempt to disparage and tarnish other bloggers names.

enough is enough!

yellofever: "...making deliberate attempt after attempt to disparage and tarnish other bloggers names."
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Why would anyone need to do that when you do a pretty good job of doing that to yourself...


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MVP- I'll defend hobbit like i'll defend you; you are both lakers fans and people who deserve respect. The stupid stuff you guys say about each other aren't really fair, they are stuff you guys say when you are mad, and I'm not going to judge either of you based on your worst post. I'm not going to judge either of you anyway, but if I was, I'd base it on your overall contributions to the blog, neither of which are negligible. I don't say 'IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE' because it's catchy; I say it because people need to hear it.

Oh yeah, this is pretty much the same speech I give the eight year old kids I work with, and frankly, for kids with a history of severe abuse and/or behavioral disorders, they advance more in a month or two than you guys have since this blog started.

Gotta disagree with you on a couple of points, cyber- stats actually make Rajon Rondo look pretty good, he is close to or leading the league in assists and his FG% is over or around .450. This obscure the fact that he can't shoot for (*^( and if we had to guard him more than five feet from the basket we probably would have lost the finals.

I'm not going to get into hair splitting with you either, hobbit, but yeah, i would expect Drew or anybody's numbers to decline when he shares the court with another good big. I might be not doing justice to your argument, but you use total numbers to measure Drew's performance, but you discount point totals and use FG% to measure Pau? If you moved Drew to a team without a couple of rebounding bigs, I bet his rebound totals and points would go up and his FG% would drop.

There are two ways to use stats; you can make a prediction with a hypothesis, then check to see if the stats support your claim; Or, you can pick the stats you like from what has already happened that support your position and refuse to budge.

Frankly, I think if John Hollinger, a way better statistician than you (no offense) has been consistently wrong by using statistical models to predict basketball outcomes, it doesn't look good for you that you believe ...

ah, you know what? I don't care. I don't even want to read your response to this. You want to be right and have the last word? Knock yourself out. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have won the finals last year without Andrew Bynum. There's really no way to prove or disprove this, but we won, I said it then; since Bynum is willing to sacrifice his long term health and potential future earnings to help us win a ring, I'm not gonna nit pick.

You can look that up in the archives if you want.

Constructive criticism? Is Andrew Bynum wondering what to do and looking to this blog for answers? Well then, it's handy that there are so many people on here who know what he is doing wrong. If you guys weren't willing to tell it like it is, we would be screwed.

Wow, it's been a while since I've read through the blog but as always Drew is the lightening rod. Sounds like things have gotten personal. At the end of the day we'll find out pretty quick what kind of impact Socks will have on the team. It seems pretty reasonable to assume that it will be positive since Pau is looking completely gassed lately.
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I just hope he can get into some semblance of game shape before we play the Heat. Once Drew and Pau get on the same page as they did at the end of last year we will crush them inside. What we really need is to get the team energy up and start playing the kind of defense we saw against the Celtics last year. We have it in us, but it always mystifies me how often we go into cruise control. To me that is the biggest difference between this team and the 70 win Bulls team. Those guys never let up. Never...

Cyber "Tenerife Beach Report" CosmiX

u r talking about hobbit and the race card? really?

u the one who actually started to speak spanish with all the gassy trolls on the site? i don't remember calling them out when they mentioned "my mother"!!!!!!!!!!

or you did not get that because it was in Spanish. or maybe LERWS+TA or whatever did not know that because it was in Spanish and "he and you preferred" to not understand

love your hypocrisy!!!!!!!!!!!!

did you learned it from your lap dog 888?

or you just learned to be a POSER???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

please come back with your daily soap opera:

i have to pick up my kids
my back hurts
my mother-in-law comes to town

we really need every move it makes and every breath it takes!!!!!!!!!!!!

yellofever: "...making deliberate attempt after attempt to disparage and tarnish other bloggers names."
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Why would anyone need to do that when you do a pretty good job of doing that to yourself...\
Posted by: CyberCosmiX | December 13, 2010 at 11:59 PM

CYber,

actually just returning the favor... eye for eye tooth for a tooth.. hey i know its the holidays but every man has his limit.

sorry to inform you but i'm afraid you have been severely brainwashed.. you call him 888 but hes more 666 and a lethal venom spitting blogger... he may be experienced and knowledgable but he has shown us again and time after time that he is simply unable to consistently carry himself with any class and dignity... he seems to be one of those poor contemptible and wretched soul who just thrive and enjoy being around drama.. a natural born DRAMA QUEEN.

phred: always appreciate your calm, level-headed and reasoned views on things. You are always a voice of sanity in the asylum we frequently resemble

Posted by: CyberCosmiX | December 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM

wowwwwwwww (sorry phred)

i did not know that a bi-polar is level-headed and THE VOICE OF SANITY

YOU SAID WHAT?: sanity

sanity?

YES, IN THE ASYLUM

IS THAT WHEN ON PILLS OR OFF PILLS?????????

with some drinks or no drinks?????????????

and i'm not even getting into the LOVE thing, because, except for the FIGURATIVE meaning or in the "new" phantasy league meaning, i don't think he TOUCHED it lately. just like Gassy, he gets disconcerted.

i want to buy more sanity too. hope it comes packaged with a bottle of stoli and of course, SOME LOVE

I write the occasional article on Bleacher Report. Going to get self-deprecating on you, but that should tell you all you need to know about that site..... Let's see David Aldridge, Yahoo's Wojnarowski, Bob Ryan, Mike Bresnahan or some other knowledgeable NBA writers list.

GO LAKERS!!!!!!
Posted by: CyberCosmiX | December 13, 2010 at 07:44 PM

hey, Cyber "Tenerife Beach Report" CosmiX

do u really consider David Aldridge, Bob Ryan, Mike Bresnahan knowledgeable NBA writers??????????

writers????????

indeed, they write.

knowledgeable: their knowledge goes as far as IS REPORTED to them

not surprised where you take your inspiration!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and your knowledge

as a Beach Reporter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

phred: I agree that Rondo's stats are starting to bare out that he is, indeed, a pretty good PG.

If I may piggyback on your excellent points phred, imagine if our Andrew Bynum switched places with, say, Dwight Howard and his forward corps of Rashard Lewis and Vince Carter. I don't know if there are two other forwards in the league that are more adverse to rebounding.

Yes, Dwight is a nice rebounder in his own right, but he isn't battling for down-low position partly with his own players as Bynum has done for most his career. Now, imagine Bynum playing center on the Magic...

That's the only point I wanted to make.

I do have one stat, though.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/

Who is the highest efficiency player in the NBA?

None other than one Pau Gasol.

We can all put that in our stat pipes, and smoke it...

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Ouchhhhhh: Perhaps you should enlist hobbit's skills with the google in order to 'unearth' the post that I scolded Ricky & friends for using some foul language, albeit they were in spanish. I suppose those aren't the ones you are looking for, no???

Hopefully Ricky doesn't see the above stat because if he does then he may be back!

BTW, if you want to know more info about the mundane Mike in Apple Valley household ouchhhhhh then ask away...

Oh, and no, I don't consider that group of reporters knowledgeable. Nahhhhh... You are the knowledgeable one, ouchhhhhh. Of course. I just wonder if they all call you before they write, or do you just act as their editor and submit it for them???

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yellofever: Whatever brainwashing happened, it turned out that 888 and my views are very similar, as they are with a few other posters too. Maybe we drank the same kool aid, the one that made us see big-picture, keep in our minds that this is a two-time defending NBA champion, coached by the most successful coach in pro-sports history, led by the player who will most likely go down as the finest in history, owned by the greatest owner in sports playing in the finest city on earth and mid-dynasty in a run that will most likely see them surpass the dreaded septics for most overall championships.

Yes, we see all those things, so surely we've drank the same kool aid...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

yeah, that's the classy ouchhhhhhh we know and love.

ouchhhhhh- if I wasn't serious about THE LOVE, why would I talk to you?

Oh, and no, I don't consider that group of reporters knowledgeable. Nahhhhh... You are the knowledgeable one, ouchhhhhh. Of course. I just wonder if they all call you before they write, or do you just act as their editor and submit it for them???
CyberCosmiX | December 14, 2010 at 12:40 AM

do u really believe everything you read??????? if they work for NBA.com. LA Times. com or Beach Report?????

even if it is sports?????????????? Blitz has the same position too. surpised. not sure if u wanted to be part of "his team"

i thought that BB is a game that these days ONE can WATCH and not read.

but hey, you and Caliphilosopher have to be "special: reading all that "symbolic logic". one does not have to WATCH the game just read some stats, sites and next day they can blog away.

i forgot, you always agree also with mark medina. do u really agree or you just try to suck up so next day you look like the nice guy spewing your views about others??????????????????

how is that sanity level going in the Apple Valley, Mike?

is it leveled?

or is just another day in the asylum?

ouchhhhhh- well, I would talk to you, if I could figure out what the heck you are talking about.

The asylum's right here, ouchhhhh. Right here on the blog. Actually Apple Valley is a pretty mundane, rather boring and routine place to live.

Rather than yourself, if I don't agree with something I would usually defer from saying something rather than saying something negative. That is, except for those that are inherently negative themselves. Especially those that try to prey upon certain people, players, whatever. Acting like schoolyard bullies and finding the weak or meek to take on. I don't have a problem calling them out for what they are.

Ouchhhhhh, when was the last time you actually contributed something positive to the blog instead of trying to call people out in your bumbling, rambling, incoherent way you do? In the last hour or so you've only managed to call people out and hurl rather ineffective insults. Not a single decent, coherent thought amongst your few posts.

BTW, MM produces more quality material in a single day than you probably have the whole time I've seen you on here. In one day he surpasses that. No need to bring him or anyone else into your own personal cell - you know, the one you put yourself in...


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